minutes to an hour and just laughing the whole time you can watch that episode of the whole story and a look at joe biden's legacy this sunday, starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern time and pacific only right here on cnn thank you very much for watching these state of the race. >> laura coates live. it starts right now well, the courtroom re-emerges in the 2024 campaign tonight on laura coates live all, right look there is no doubt that vice president kamala harris has some real momentum jim right now. >> i'm in her party. it is energized. the polls are tightening the money is flowing, and president barak obama's endorsement is coming any day now they say, but then comes the hard part sustaining

the momentum and not doing what mike tyson once said is the worst thing that you could do. peak too early. her political haters are trying their hardest to get her to take some kind of dangling bait there, peppering her with nicknames and they're insulting her professional journey there, demeaning her as a woman and a candidate. meanwhile, harris has shown us the last couple of days that she is refining her message. the american people and the electorate we saw some of that in the new ad that she rolled out today with a beyonce is soundtrack fighting for freedom, saving democracy not going back. >> but there's one unique to her. and it really, i mean, it's a made for hollywood message. the prosecutors taking on a convicted felon as attorney general of california, i took on the big wall street banks and held them accountable for fraud donald trump it's just found guilty of fraud on 34 counts.

>> so hear me when i say i know donald trump's type but you know, there's a catch here because you might remember that her experience as a da, some say, cost her in the democratic primary in 2020. >> when critics hit her hard as being too hard on crime. well now republicans want take a page out of that very book. or maybe at least try to tim alberta report that trump allies told him they plan to quote, assault her left flank with accusations of harris over incarcerating young men of color when she was california's attorney general at the same time, they want to hear from the right as being too liberal one example you're going to hear republicans bring up dates back to 2004 when she was a san francisco da that year, she didn't pursue the death penalty for a suspect who is charged and later convicted of killing a cop. >> now, i personally have seen this movie before. >> have you not? it was called

bush versus dukakis and the trailer was actually willie horton ad a quiet the question for everyone, which is it issue too soft on crime or is she too hard on crime what is the strategy here and what will be the winning strategy? now on trump's speak at all morphs into well, this know that she's running for president kamala is suddenly trying to transform her personality to pretend she is it's tough on crime. >> she is so bad on crime in fact, kamala harris was the original marxist district attorney it's camila like it's camila. >> he must know that, right? i say it every single night. in fact, for the last four years has been the vice president. her name is always been kamala harris but it'd be nice to have a debate between kamala harris and donald trump play out. wouldn't it? >> well, tonight it's not exactly clear if we're going to get even that chance who his campaign is saying they won't commit to a debate until harris

is officially the nominee. >> of course all but the confetti is already fallen. joining me now, alayna plot collaborate. she is a staff writer for the atlantic. joe walsh, republican former congressman, and karen finney, a cnn political commentator, glad to have you all here. labour do with the debate going. everyone wants to see this debate happen. the debate of course, is going to be a very important moment as we've seen just what four weeks ago at this point in time. but harris says that she is ready to debate right now, joe, what is the problem with the trump team? >> i think donald trump wants to be in the news. i think that's all he's doing right now. by the way, can we just all acknowledge? and i know i have to watch my language on your show only a jerk would purposely mispronounce an opponent's name. and we know laura why he's doing it. we know exactly who he's appealing to, shame on him. just freaking despicable. i think trump is afraid. i don't think he knows how to handle her, but he has to debate her. and i think he

wants to debate her i think he's just trying to grab some headlines right now. >> what's the deal with the mispronunciation? i mean, it's almost as a tired old record that's almost feels like a bad dad joke. >> yeah actually, it's pretty intentional, right? it is demeaning her. it is about treating her as if she's insignificant. it is again, it's also trying to grab heavily blinds the fact that we're talking about it. but it's the kind of thing that and it's something we see against women candidates and particularly women of color. it's othering right and so it's important that we call it out for what it is. at the same time, it's important that we acknowledge we're not going to be distracted by that. we're still going to talk about like, you know, i'm sure she has had people mispronouncing her name her whole life. so it doesn't faze her but we know what he's trying to do when he does it and here's what i think is interesting about it though for those suburban women that he has continued to struggle with

they're going to see that kind of thing. i'm particularly if they are on a debate stage and it's going to remind them all the things they don't like about him. and that level of disrespect that he kind of got away with in 2016 against hillary clinton that's not actually going to fly this time he kind, they got the word out, but but let me ask you about this one. >> get back to you if i can, joe alayna, you wrote this really fascinating and of course you all know, i'm a former prosecutor. the idea of the attacks have somebody being too soft or too hard on crime. it just mind-boggling. we were talking about a former attorney general of the second largest justice department in this entire country. but you talk about the framing that she is now doing in this split-screen? the prosecutor versus the felon. how might this play differently now than it did in 2020 so i could talk about this ad nauseam because i really find it this fascinating when i listened to her announcement since speech from wellington on monday, i thought this is the most confident that i've heard kamala harris and i've covered

her for quite some time now. >> and i think the reason was is that she finally embraced her record as a prosecutor without caveat, which was not the case. it's in 2020. i think what you saw happen in 2020 is she had advisers around her, many of whom said, this is not the moment to be a prosecutor. this is not the moment to elevate yourself as someone with experience in law enforcement, george floyd, we had just going to saccular examine her and her response and her response to advisers was understandably example variation. but this is my background. what else am i supposed to talk about but it ended up resulting a lot of times in moments where it just seemed like she withdrew into a caricature of the moments politics, rather than somebody who is coming at issues authentically. and i think that's the difference in the common why harris we see today. >> can i just point out so for there's about 20 years of research that shows actually the pathway for women running for executive office. to date, it had been and governors was

the ag because one of the toughest things for women is to prove that you're going to be tough on crime the economy, and being tough on crime or security, right? if we look at the history re a lot of are women governors, they were a jeez i think actually what was going on in 2019 was something very different. i think she understood as a black woman talking about being a prosecutor or the top cop was going to hit people's airs differently than it would if you're white or black or brown. and i think she had a team around her who didn't fully understand that, who i think at times thought, well, this is great. she's, this is a great issue for her to seem like she's tough on crime and it's going to quote unquote play against type. and i think in her gut she knew that it wasn't that it was going to play a little differently for different audiences. i think, sorry. the distinction that i think they're trying to make this time is a very intentional line from being a prosecutor

and prosecuting the kinds of crimes that donald trump himself very specifically perpetrator and politically in 19 and 20, she was trying to win a democratic primary. so she didn't want to come off as too tough on crime this is a perfect situation for her. she's running against a republican. she's got to win voters in swing states. where you've got the law and order, where they say to the law and order party, the republicans and then, you know, again, i am fascinated by any gut check that when someone's looking to be the head of the executive branch, they wouldn't rely on that executive experience i think that it's important to talk about one's professional career and experience. and for those who would think that a black prosecutor would be antithetical to civil rights. you're talking to one who was a civil rights attorney as well. but she has to embrace that at a time, right now, when you've got these convictions and the authenticity issue, i'm wondering about particular that has been the perception about her. why do you think that has stuck as her being

somehow inauthentic as but one facet of for identity i think. >> i mean frankly, a lot of it is inconsistent media attention to her across her vice presidency i think i think what has happened is that the first year-and-a-half in her vice presidency neither she nor importantly joe biden really had a coherent vision of what role she should play as a number two and that, and that really hurt her. i've written also a lot about this, how i think joe biden really did poorly the by kamala harris especially when he had framed himself as a bridge to the next generation. he and his team did not invest much time at all into how they were presenting her to the american people saddling her with no when issues in those early days. and so what i think happened is that that year-and-a-half came to fine her vice presidency and people seem to have stopped paying attention after that. but if you're on the ground with her, what you saw happen in 2022 when the dobbs decision

leaked, kamala harris regained faith, i think in her own political instincts she saw that abortion was going to dictate the midterms, and she was virtually the only official in washington who saw that at the time. and even her own advisers, they weren't challenging her, but they would come to her and say madam vice president, we've got the latest polling that says the economy is what's going to motivate voters. and she'd said, she would say i'm in texas, i'm a misery. i'm on the ground. talk came to independent women and men who are telling me a different story and so that's sort of rebuilding her own faith and her own instincts to me that culminated in the address that we saw monday and i think her team understandably is exasperated by the people who are like, where's this person been there? like, wow, she just been here for quite a long time. you know, you just really haven't been paying attention. >> i'm really intrigued by this. i want to continue this conversation. everyone just stand and just for a moment all

this talk of messaging. what are the poll saying about what people actually think? i want to bring in cnn senior data reporter harry enten is over at that magical wall of his harry there are now a number of polls. the presser prize looking at the harris trump matchup and it's showing a very tight race. what are you seeing? >> you mentioned a very tight race and i will say absolutely a very tight race here. but here's the thing to keep in mind. i think there's all this talk of all this harris momentum. maybe there's a slight bit of momentum, but i would argue it's actually a little bit smaller than folks think. so pre-biden dropping out, look, trump was up by two over harris will look at the polls now, this week, what do we see? we see trump is up by one over harris, the massive changes actually the change of candidates because prior to biden dropping out, he trailed by six points among these in these exact same polls that we look at here, where harris was only trailing by two points. so the movement is actually from biden to harris, not actually harris herself necessarily

moving more than that. there's a bit of a warning sign in the polling data for democrats, all this talk of harris coming in and the harris momentum perhaps ignores a little bit that trump has a little bit but of momentum of his own. so look at this, a favorable view of trump. these are all polls taken at the republican national convention. abc news, ipsos, 40%. that's the highest ever favorable rating. trump had an apple. how about quinnipiac? 46%? that's the highest for this pollster. how about the new york times? the highest in this particular poll? so the fact is, yes, harris has come in, perhaps with a bit of momentum, but trump is doing polling the best he ever has in the minds of the american public, at least according to these three pollsters, that interesting to think about, i always joke around with cynics about the polls. i mean, everyone always says they never asked me how accurate can pull be. what is the reality are the polls do you think on zero point at this juncture? >> yeah. so look, the polls can be right right now, but they're just a snapshot in time and i think we can get a pretty good view of this by looking at how

far are the polls off at this point compared to the final margin on average since 72. they're off about six points but they can shift even more than that. go back to 1980, 1988. remember michael dukakis was taking on george hw bush, the polls them were taken just after the democratic national convention. and what do we see? we saw the caucus had a huge lead. of course, what ended up happening was george hw bush one that race relatively easily. so the polls actually shifted 26 points from now to the final result. the fact is, with all of the stuff that is going on, everything that has happened over the last month or so, i wouldn't be surprised if we got a larger shift than normal. but even if we get an average shift, six points that could change the entire ball game and make one can and it a winter and the other one, a loser, which is going to have to wait and see what happens i mean, well, about 100 days away at this point and then there's this question. >> while harris, the top of her ticket, it's an incomplete ticket at this particular juncture. but the republican ticket that is completed, trump and of course j.d. vance he

seems to be a lot of hot water justifiably for taking the country is run by a bunch of how he put it. childless cat ladies who are miserable how are his poll numbers? >> yeah, i, you know, i think it is just worth noting. let's take a listen to this clip. >> we were effectively run in this country via the democrats be via our corporate oligarch's by a bunch of childless cat ladies to are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made. and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too yeah, i would say that j.d. >> vance has not a particularly well liked individual, at least in the minds of the american public. and i think it's clips like that that may come dislike. i want to take a look at vps nominees net favorable ratings. these are conducted immediately after the convention the average since 2000 for a vp nominee is a net favorable rating that's favorable minus unfavorable of plus 19 points, the lowest ever going all the way back since 1,980 is j.d. vance with a minus five point net favorability rating laura, he is the first vp nominee coming

out of his party or her party's convention to have a net negative favorability rating. that is an unfavorable, bigger than their favorable rating. >> ever. the fact is j.d. vance at this particular point looks like a mistake for donald trump will see if things change going down the way. but the fact is that people are voting on their vps, which they usually don't. but if they did this time around, j.d. vance and mike cause donald trump instead to be a winner, to be a loser. >> that's an extraordinary figure out there. and you know, who's looking at that, the trump campaign. oh yeah. harry. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> well, my panel is back with me now. we were all reacting in real time to those figures that negative number, negative, that was shocking. >> it was shocking. i feel like i hear a clock ticking to figure out how much time he's got left on the ticket actually, before donald trump figures out a way to maneuver him off you know, blake masters actually doubled down as well on the same philosophy about his, i think this is a massage is sticky point, frankly what it you can see what he said on the screen there. why is this the pathway? it doesn't make a

winning argument at all. >> that was a bad pick. j.d. vance is maga extremist he's a turnoff to women. and harry's always fascinating. laura, with the poll numbers. i just don't think we're measuring enthusiasm and i think camilla's enthusiasm is just beginning. we're not even near the democratic convention yet. >> trump thinks it's kind of a honeymoon phase where people are saying that it might be honeymoon period but if she has this renewed confidence that you speak about in your article and described so well, that could be very sustained. it could be sustained. >> and i think we're forgetting what it could look like, what the democratic nominee actually barnstorming the campaign trail, not talking about an 8:00 p.m. bedtime. kamala harris has been traveling constantly the past year-and-a-half in particular, that's going to come continue and i think once voters actually start to see the democratic nominee for president out there holding these rallies, not sort of taped things from the oval office, if ever? that i think is going to contribute to whether or not this can sustain.

>> i'll give you the last word, karen, really quick. >> this is going to alienate those voters that you want to envelop into your fold, right? absolutely. i mean, picking j.d. vance was not an expansion strategy, right? it was a doubling down strategy. and i think it's going backfire. >> well, we will see the clock is ticking for not only the race is about 100 days away this point in time. unbelievable. thank you all. look, we are less than two weeks away. it could be sooner from a vp decision. the question of course. and yet another veepstakes is who will she choose to take a closer look at the front runners who has kept pretty quiet despite it all of the noise and look at him right there. mark, kelly and breaking news two alleged leaders of a mexican drug cartel arrested in texas tonight including el chapo's son the stunning way the arrest took place. >> next pods biggest sale of the summer is extended, save up to 25% on moving in storage until august 12. >> and cy pods has been trusted

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this morning with kasie hunt, tomorrow at five eastern well founder of the sinaloa cartel, commonly known as el mayo, is currently in fbi custody. the two law enforcement will say that elmira was lured to the u.s. under the guise that he'd be looking at a property for purchase with him at the time of his arrest? el chapo's son,

his name, joaquin guzman lopez. and tonight he is also in fbi custody during me now, cnn correspondent polo sandoval is joining us now, polo, this is extraordinary news this evening. what are you learning? >> and you know, lord, just describe this man as notorious kingpin is really an understatement. he was one of the co-founders of the sinaloa drug cartel, one of the organizations that the da insist is responsible largely for majority of the fentanyl that ends up on this side of the border. just some remarkable information that we've been people to learn just in the last few hours since the store initially broke, since the u.s. government, you actually confirm the apprehension of not just some baba, but also one of the sons of the now imprisoned narco king, joaquin el chapo guzman. of course that young man identifies joaquin guzman lopez. >> what we know is that they were traveling aboard a small plane that they landed somewhere near el paso. >> now some fascinating details

here, lord, that i've been able to learn along with some of my colleagues including mark morales, which is that it is currently believe that it's likely that he had no idea that once the plane landed, there would be met by us authorities. it still unclear as to whether or not this problem how party that he was supposed to see potentially to purchase if he was told that it was either in northern mexico or on the us side of the border, which may be fairly unlikely especially given the hefty $50 million bounty that was on myosin bottas. so it would be extremely unlikely that he would ever voluntarily trump travel here to the u.s. and he is a fugitive that is highly sought by the fbi, by the da. but still that very much remains an open question as to the inner workings of this of this plot. or was it perhaps within his organization, within the sinaloa drug or an organization that helped lower him to federal or did members of the federal government perhaps actually have a hand in this as part of this operation, as part of this investigation,

i should say but just the background on him. he along with joaquin el chapo guzman, who is currently serving a life sentence in supermax in colorado. according to federal well indictments stand accused of running an operating since the since the 80s, the senior sinaloa drug cartel organization and one of the big questions here are exactly what's going to happen to this organization just because this man is behind bars it doesn't necessarily mean that the coo cartel goes away. you do have still other members of chapo's family, including other sons as well. so will this actually lead to some inner turmoil, more violence that is all yet to be seen. but again, the big headline right now in a tories drug cartel boss he's mile and myosin bada. after years of searching on behalf of authorities is now in us custody on the southern border extraordinary polo sandoval, keep us posted. >> thank you so much.

>> you bet well, vice president kamala harris is set to pick her running mate within the next two weeks governors and senators, they dominate this short list and some are giving the standard nominee speech. >> it's not honor, just to be considered, sounds the oscars doesn't it others are showing some hints of interest though the only reason i'd ever consider something else is if i felt that i could help my people and kentucky more in a different role or that there was a chance to move past the partisanship would you love to see yourself on that ticket if that is her choice i think anybody would be flattered to be mentioned in that context. i'd be reluctant to make a change, but it'd be hard to resist a call and he consideration if the nominee called me to ask to be considered for vice president but one voice is conspicuously

quiet. >> arizona democratic senator mark kelly. >> will cnn's manu raja, race to catch up with him on capitol hill today but for kelley, well, mum's the word any conversations with the vice president about them arriving, not going to get him private conversations he's saying there was a private conversation with the vice president well, today, his wife and former congresswoman gabby giffords, campaigned for harris in pennsylvania and jill stein for harris in michigan. >> this weekend. with me now, daniel hernandez, a democratic representative from arizona he actually interned for giffords four years and we're talking about a hero before me today, because in 2011, he helped save her life when she was shot by applying pressure to her wounds and quick thinking, he is throwing his support behind a potential harris, kelly ticket, daniel, a pleasure to meet you. >> thanks so much for having me remember the heroism that everyone described. you just played on that fateful day and

it's extraordinary to be before you today. so thank you for coming. >> thanks for having me you know, mark kelly, very well because i was 18 because you were eight intern for gabby's sixth and years of knowing mark kelly. and when you note what you know about them, what about a potential harris kelly ticket? >> there's so many things about mark that make him significantly better than j.d vance. think the first thing is he is a good man above all, he's served his country. and when gabby got shot, he dropped everything to make sure that he took care of her. that speaks to the kind of character that mark has had and the entire time he has a dedicated family man, he takes care of his family, but more importantly, he has served our country as a veteran, as a navy pilot, as an astronaut, even outside of being married to gadi, he has an impact that's a resume that anybody would be lucky to have. but i think electorally the thing that i think is most exciting is he outperformed every other senate house candidate and gubernatorial candidate in 2022 in a year where latinos were breaking away from the democratic party he outperformed everybody. so

when we're looking at the sunbelt, when we're looking at nevada, arizona, and he's take that has a large latino population. mark kelly is not just gonna be popular with a suburban white people. he's popular with latinos like myself and my family. >> let's turn from the sunbelt to the rest bound and find ourselves where senator j.d. vance believes he would have an advantage. i want you to listen to kelly actually going after the vice-presidential running mate, j.d. vance. listen what i really worry about, what he would do. he had one heartbeat away from the president two daughters and granddaughters i'm really worry about their rights donald trump is elected again and j.d. >> vance, vice president, and that really concerns me i mean, i'd be intrigued by a debate. how do you think he's fair martella would do a lot better. >> we had somebody who did pr in the military and somebody who has a navy fighter pilot and an astronaut who kept in multiple well missions. mark has good under pressure, but he's also have lice experience. i'm 34 j.d. vance is 39. what is he done other

than be a venture capitalist and then write one book before that he was nothing other than those two things. and now he's a us senator he does not have the work to put in to say that he can be a good vice president or mark kelly has a lifetime of experience and lifetime of serving our country. >> it's interesting to have that dynamic at play when he is described and people are talking about dei candidates who he thinks have less experience and he does, but republicans have been calling harris yes, to the point of arizona particular the border czar. arizona might be a very crucial state as increasingly so every state becomes a border state and the issue of immigration top of mind for so many. kelly is actually called the border a mess. he is challenged him of biden's own decisions and i'm wondering, could could kelly could he blunt some of the attacks that kamala harris will ultimately face as attached to the biden ticket previously as a border senator, mark kelly understands this conflict on this issue more than almost anybody else. he lives and breathes it every single day. so not only would he be able to help the vice president, he would make sure that he's bringing the voice of

arizona that people who've been most directly impacted goodbye, the issues at the border, both on the immigration reform side and on the people that want border security. so he is somebody that's very well positioned to add to the ticket. >> would he take it if i hope so. >> i haven't talked to him about it directly, but i hope you will because we need mark kelly to be our vice presidential nominee. >> we'll see what happens. daniel hernandez, what a pleasure speaking to you. thank you. thank you well, hollywood insiders were behind a lot of those calls for president biden to drop out of the race, including my next guest rob reiner is here after this saturday on the whole story, political violence has always threatened democracy after the attempt on trump's life, where does america go from here? >> the whole story with anderson cooper, political violence, america as bloody history saturday heat on cnn

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consequential debate between joe biden and donald trump is when the tide really began to turn against the sitting president. and frankly, hollywood was not the exception. filmmaker rob reiner became one of the first to call for a change at the top of the democratic ticket. in fact, writing on social media quote, it's time to stop f-in around if the convicted felon wins, we lose our democracy. joe biden has effectively service with honor decency, and dignity. it's time for joe biden to step down now, a few weeks later, came this moment nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy that includes personal ambition so, i've decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation and now hollywood a-listers are rushing to embrace kamala harris, including my next guest, filmmaker, rob reiner, welcome to laura coates live glad to have you here. thank you. >> thanks for having me, laura,

you know, you spoke out pretty early and you continue to make the case. it wasn't a one-off until the president's really his final decision. and here we are. he has officially stepped aside, calm with top of the ticket. how do you feel about it now? >> well, i mean, you can see the party is completely energized. everybody is coalescing around combat as well. they should. i mean, she is completely qualified. she's she's the energy that we needed. i mean, we were in the situation. this is not to take anything away from joe biden. i mean, i love joe biden he was a very consequential president. he got us out of the ditch that donald trump put us in and he right the ship. he saved our democracy, and he's doing the most selfless thing he can possibly do to make sure we continue to save the democracy and don't destroy 250 years of self-rule he's pass the torch to somebody who understands how this all works and will respect

the rule of law and the constitution. so we're going to win. we're going to win now it went from a referendum on joe biden to now it's a referendum on donald trump. and the donald trump, we know it is a criminal. he's a convicted felon 34 times, and we've got a great prosecutor who's going to prosecute this case against him you know, there are those who are accusing democrats now, in spite of all these described as being those who are enabling a coronation, that's led by donors, that's led by dc or hollywood elites. >> do you think that harris is ascension to that top of the ticket, given all the contexts at stake here, is, as some republicans describe anti democratic no, of course not. >> i mean, this is a system we have i mean, you have the presumptive nominee, which was the president of the united states, stepping down and then it's up he releases his delegates. it's up to the delegates to decide who they

want to vote for. and you've had a very wonderful, seamless transition where you had all the delegates starting to coalesce around camila, you had house members, senate members, donors, everybody coalescing immediately around camilla's. so it's not undemocratic at all. it's part of the delegate rules you can look it up. >> but you know what has started even though there is not the confetti falling on one's shoulders, rob, it's only been a few days and she has been on the top of this ticket. we have seen attacks that perhaps sadly, were predictable and yet they are vile. they are calling her a dei hire higher there are those who are being massage amnestic. there are those who are degrading her in any number of ways trying to suggest that she is not the professional or the vice president that we know that she is. your known for so much in terms of fictionalizing the world around us but in this

case, it's even ugly if this were fictional, what do you see as the way to address what's going on right now? >> you know something. you don't have to address it. this is desperation on their part. >> they are facing a formidable opponent and they don't know what to do you know, bill goldman, old friend of mine, who passed away number of years ago. >> yes. say they don't know whether to go to the bathroom or wind their watch that they're in big trouble. they know it and they're desperately starting to attack camila in the most ridiculous ways our lab, in fact, that she didn't bear children. it's ridiculous and it's all going to backfire. it's all going to backfire because we are coalesce now and we're going to beat this guy we have a great candidate and complainers. i know her very well. i've known her for a long time. she was right there in the forefront of marriage equality, which i had

something to do with it here in california around andriy. she married the first same-sex couple after we defeated an knocked down so i know her very well. she's a great prosecutor. she's intelligence, she's committed, she's passionate. she's a funny person and she's human. and she's she respects the rule of law so they can do whatever they want. it's not going to help them let me ask you, rob, you know, or so well who could be her partner, not in crime, but in law, of course as her vice presidential running mate while she has a lot of good choices, i particularly personally like mark kelly, a lot an astronaut, a former military guy a senator from maradona state that is in play. >> and i think all of those combinations of things would be a perfect cup. now, obviously she has to pick somebody who she feels comfortable with. that's the first joint and somebody that she believes, god

forbid something should have never could step in and become president. so all of those things have to be consider. but i think she has a lot of great choices. >> i got to tell you, it's almost at a whiplash pace and how things are going right now. we'll see what happens all the way were about 100 days away now from the presidential election, if you can believe that rob reiner, thank you so much for joining thanks for having me up next. his conviction was overturned. >> overturned, and he was about to walk free then the missouri supreme court stepped in and now christopher dunn is still in prison despite being deemed innocent. >> we'll tell you his story and seek with his wife to this the athletes and nato, your pushing the limits of what is capable ready to show the world that i am i've cleaned all over the globe and that's what you're going to see an awol whole different beast dealt with. >> he wednesday night dynamite at 8:00 on tbs finish ultimate

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statement. >> anderson cooper 360 tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn i miss? program. >> we highlight stories of the exonerated. but tonight the missouri supreme court has stepped in to keep an exonerated man in prison just as he was about to walk free christopher dunn was convicted of first-degree murder for the shooting of 15-year-old ricco rogers and 19 90 the 1991 conviction was largely based on testimony of two boys who identified dunn as the shooter, but in 2018, they recanted saying their testimony had been coerced after reviewing dense case, the st. louis circuit attorney filed a motion earlier this year to vacate the guilty verdict, and on monday, a judge concluded that, quote, in light of new evidence, no juror acting reasonably would have voted to find dunn guilty of these crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. he overturned dunn's conviction and ordered

his immediate release but missouri attorney general andrew bailey is fighting that order. he issued an appeal in told the department of corrections to keep done in jail until the appeal ends. now, the judge has pushed back and last night just as the prison was processing the release paperwork for done, the state supreme court issued a stay that put his freedom on hold. his wife kara done was actually on her way to pick him up when she learned that her husband would not be coming home. she joins me now along with dunn's attorney from the midwest innocence project, tricia rojo, bushnell. thank you both for joining me. this is unbelievable unimaginable. think about what is happening at this juncture. kara, let me begin with you and just you were on your way to pick up your husband when you got the news tell me what were you feeling in that moment when you heard that he wasn't in fact going to be released?

>> i was five minutes away. yes. when i got the call and i immediately knew from the tone that it was not good. i just drove the rest of the way. numb as i after i heard the news and arrive to a very subdued group of people who'd already gathered there it was supposed to be a time of celebration of welcoming my husband home after 34 years of wrongful conviction and incarceration and it just turned into has to be one of the saddest days of my life. >> you've actually spoken to christopher since this happened, how is he holding up through all of this chris is the most resilient person i've ever met even so, this was a really tough one. >> this hit him very hard. he was literally 50 feet away from the parking lot and was dressed

as civilian clothing. that we'd prepared and picked out months before he was doing a final signature and in the meantime, gotten rid of all his property either given it away or pete actually thrown away his toothbrush just a few moments before knowing he would need that toothbrush anymore. and i'm he was had to walk right back in, take office civilian clothing put on another prison uniform and go back to his cell 50 feet from freedom 50 feet from freedom. trisha, i cannot imagine. i've spoken to far too many people who have been exonerated and they will always tell me they didn't believe it was real until they were home and even men they wondered if it would stick to know that someone would have had when i presume is that level of anxiety and concern and it not to be the case that they were free i mean, the missouri attorney

general, andrew bailey, he appealed the ruling that would freed done is there any legal basis to his appeal our position is no, we don't believe that the attorney general has any role in or the ability to appeal a court's decision on a prosecutor's motion to overturn a conviction so this ability for a prosecutor to file a motion saying, i think that my office right. >> made a mistake, that this person is actually innocent, is fairly new and missouri, it's a law that was passed in 2021. it's been used to free two other individuals since then, kevin strickland in lamar johnson. and this is now the third time that that's happened. >> it's the first time the attorney general has contended they have the right to appeal the circuit court disagreed. >> so what actually happened on monday when that order came down from the judge overturning his conviction and requesting his immediate release. that order should have been followed. but the attorney general directed the prison not to follow it. and we had emergency proceedings yesterday where that judge then said, you

have to follow this order. if the warden doesn't follow this order, he will be held in contempt and he was directed to police and by 6:00 when that special appeal was made to the missouri supreme court the missouri supreme court stay is now looking at the question of does the attorney general actually have the right to appeal we will have additional briefing going into tomorrow and monday, but i think the question that we all have is why would you appeal this finding? this is actually not even the first court to find that no juror would convict convict chris. it's actually this second, but the first court didn't have any ability to release him because in missouri, it's the only state in the country were innocence isn't a reason to get out of prison unless someone was sentenced to death and chris was not sentenced to death. >> that's an unbelievable notion to me that even the innocent, knowing innocent would remain in prison except if they were sentenced to death what do you think is the motivation behind why bailey who frankly i think has a history of trying to appeal overturned convictions. why is he pushing to keep done behind bars?

>> i mean, that is the question i think all of us have renal what purpose does the serve certainly not serving missouri taxpayers what does it get us? it keeps the expense of an innocent person being in prison the time, money, and resources to litigate these cases is extensive, and this is what we're spending our state resources on. >> kara. you actually met him while he was incarcerated and he's never been free since you have known him? >> what would it mean to have him home, to have your husband besides you especially knowing that he didn't even commit the crime that he was convicted for it would mean everything to me and to our family christmas had so much taken from him and he wants to simple things just to be able to open and close the door as he wishes to be able to choose the temperature of his

shower water, to be able to use a cell phone for the first time. things that we all take for granted it would mean that someone who's been through so so much really more than any one could ever restore it to him, right? 34 years. there's really no way to make that up. >> but i and chris family intend to try our very best to somehow make up for the loss that he suffered as you said, when you didn't even commit a crime in the first place? 34 years and 50 feet from freedom. thank you both. we will continue to follow this story i appreciate your time. >> thank you thank you so much, please let chris know that we are thinking about his journey. we'll be right back february's. have you tried

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