♪ after timothy mcveigh was arrested, deputies found a packet of anti-government literature in his getaway car that he claimed he left behind to help shed light on his motive for the bombing. but years later, mcveigh decided to explain everything himself. in a shocking prison interview, he describes his twisted interpretation of justice. so, what was it that mcveigh says turned a high-school misfit into a monster? that's coming up in the second hour of "how it really happened." i'm hill harper. thanks for watching. ♪ >> thanks for watching shrink i'm not sure they use the word

psychopath or sociopath. >> and that is a handle respect for human life from it, i have great respect. what else will realize we need? >> kill welcome to our really happened. >> i'm hill harper timothy mcveigh detonated a 7,000 pound truck bomb in oklahoma city killing 168 innocent people including 19 children after mcvay was arrested, americans were told the shocking news. this was not the work of a foreign terrorist but a horror committed by one of our very own, a young man who once fought for american lives and the first gulf war the question everyone asked now was, how could it a decorated american soldier turn into a deadly american terrorist hears how it

really happened here are elements that i receive information regarding this information, just how good of a cnn sidner and we have learned that there has been a large explosion at the alfred merav buildings some type of explosion has blown the side of the building off there was a boom and the building shook in the ceiling fell in. and he's getting falling horrible noise there was nothing loud i

thought it was the end of the world. i just didn't know what else what other explanation it could be for what i was experiencing even after i got out of the building, i was scared to death. i just thought for sure that my life was going to end that day in six months pregnant was really scared for my daughter i hadn't felt her moves since the explosion rush down there it was pandemonium in history my stepdaughter, frankie worked at federal credit union in the mirror building it was on the third floor when we got down there. >> there was no frankie frankie had her daughter by the name of morgan, who was two you hope for the best? and prepare for the worst. but that's easy to say hard to do dogs were brought in and highly sensitive

microphones were used in hopes of finding people still alive couldn't see anything. i was completely buried alive. i was actually still in my chair and upside down in this rubble pile rescuers came and begin working to get me out and they worked until about 3:00 something that afternoon until they were able to pull me out and i remember looking around and thinking this is a movie. this isn't real. this, it looked like a warzone at one point, rescuers found a woman trapped under debris she was pinned underneath this enormous amount of wreckage. >> pinned by one of her legs line and water she was hypothermic or blood pressure was signed and so at that point, there was no decision made other than to crawl end of the space and perform an amputation, bring the patient out the only choice really was to either do that or to die and

ultimately he runs out of scalpels and he remembers he has a little pen knife in his pocket and the doctor actually manages to finish the amputation with this pen like that's about that law now in she's doing fine. i think she's stable i understand. >> anybody in this world could conceive to do something like that to innocent people? >> less than two hours after the bombing. timothy mcveigh got arrested. >> the police really got a lucky break. mcveigh didn't have a license plate on his getaway car investigators soon tied timothy mcveigh back to the rental truck that was carrying the bomb? and the world was introduced to the 26-year-old terrorist from upstate new york mcveigh, when you met him, you were surprised at how affable he was easy to talk to we learned that he was

from a very ordinary normal american family like many young men, his parents were divorced he was bullied as a kid and struggled to find his way. then he found a true friend and his grandfather. his grandfather was really into guns and taught timothy mcveigh at a very young age how to shoot he had a great love of guns and i believe that's what led him to sign up and join i was admitted gun enthusiast and see you can't go wrong with the pressure skills and held the army is re ammunition he loved being in the army and he loved shooting. he was an expert marksman soldiers did not see a terrorist in the making. they saw him as being a true battle buddy, a true comrade

mcveigh's end game with the army was to become a member special forces a green beret. >> he wanted to be a part of the elite the army is satisfying his desire to shoot weapon dri and one of the things he really excelled that was the bradley fighting it's an armor plated vehicle. >> it has a 25 millimeter cannon on it. and he actually becomes the top gun in his company so at this point, mcveigh feels like he's at the top of the world. but then one event would really change everything probably the most single important moment in the kind of radicalization of tim mcveigh is when she takes a shot at an iraqi soldier standing 2000 yards away i remember my sight. >> somebody is firing. i saw flashes i put the crosshairs up there. >> hello, my shot and all i

know is that next thing i saw was everything from above his shoulders, discipline here in red dots, a readiness and the guy next to him dropped it was a single shot that got to give people we talked to who were in his unit, that witness this told him that it was like seeing somebody step up and get a hole in one on the first hole. >> that's when the white flag they started coming up and they all surrendered he was a hero for that. >> he got a bronze star and later would be promoted to sergeant you think that would be something you'd be proud of. >> but for mcveigh, it became why am i killing her rocky soldiers? they haven't done anything bad to me i'm out here shooting these people. they're just like i am mcveigh talked about it in an interview on 60 minutes. >> i went over there, hyped up just like everyone else. not only saddam evil all iraqis are evil what i experienced those

an entirely different ballgame and being face-to-face close with these people in personal contact, you realize they're just people like you i had to reconcile with the fact that, well, i know he started to realize that america in his mind it was the biggest mean as cruel as a boy in the entire world to see those images of children being pulled out of that building is just incredible i remember screaming in i said i left my boys and there this morning tomorrow. >> the whole story digs deeper into historic week in presidential politics. first, the rise of kamala harris. >> kamala harris is a glass ceiling breaker. >> it has truly been one of the greatest honors of my life. to

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quite sure though. >> he's going to continue in the military because what he really wants in life is to be in special forces tim mcveigh wants to be a green beret gets this call for the special forces and he's heading back to the states to go through the training for that i think he would have put aside his growing hatred for the government if he could have been going out after the enemies of the state around the globe but you have to be in optimum physical shape for the special forces. >> and he's nowhere near that. he essentially flux this is a massive disappointment for mcveigh. >> he quits the arming altogether. he is disillusion. >> any moves back to pendleton in upstate new york it's cold, it's wet. >> his family sent much to him and he's just kind of kicking around, not knowing what to do

when i got home. >> there is no excitement you know effect. it was a disaster in any respect he came home with a whopping case of ptsd from the war as evidenced by the fact that one day in the middle of february, he shows up at his grandfather's house. sure. >> my grandfather is that one day? we'd nothing out of the by bombs cry, stressing from every angle i was having told him the job. >> i was just feel like i didn't have a home the he was just going through so much pain because he was considered a war hero and he just couldn't couldn't make it in the real world outside the army ultimately, timothy mcveigh leaves new york this only provide is the same for me he essentially becomes a kind of a

road warrior. >> he's simply ruthlessly moving around the country. >> he was searching for something something that belonged to, something to take the place of the army and he found that at gun shows there's nothing that mcveigh loved more in the world than guns. >> once he enters the world that the gun shows, he's really in the universe of the radical right? the gun shows, or just alive. but the anti-government movement he would meet people there that were convinced that bill clinton was going to send soldiers to every home in the country take guns away from law, abiding citizens is smart as he was. he was very impressionable more and more. >> he's getting wrapped up in there conspiracy theories. people are selling books like hitler's diary, mind comp, at

these shows. >> but the book that influenced him the most was a bookie had been reading before he joined the military it's called the turner diaries, which becomes sort of a must read for people in that right-wing group the turner diaries was written by leader of the most serious neo-nazi group in america, the national lines the backbone of the turner diaries is this story about this right-wing patriot who sees tyrannical government overreach and that he has to be the one to save the day. ultimately the book kind of culminates in this man blowing up the fbi headquarters built in washington, dc it is a work of fiction but it may have been a blueprint for what happened in oklahoma city. nic they copied those details. down to very small now, the sand kind of truck bomb and a whole number of other factors tim

mcveigh, he's already absorbed quite a lot of ideology about the wickedness of the government. and he's angry and then things start happening that just fuel his anger scores of federal agents and police have surrounded the idaho cabin, a 44-year-old randy weaver weaver has repeatedly a member of the white supremacy group, the area nations. >> weaver had been under surveillance since february 19, 91 after refusing to appear in court on a federal weapons charge, after randy weaver fails to appear in court and us marshals go to his property to arrest him. >> then disaster ensues there was a firefight between randi weavers family and us marshals. weavers 14 year-old son, sam, and marcia williams deegan were killed august 21 the next day, weavers wife was shot in the head by an fbi sniper

anti-government people feel very strongly that randi weavers family was slaughtered. there ruby ridge became a rallying cry for the anti-government folks. >> tim mcveigh included who defined the rules of engagement and ruby ridge and that was just the beginning a lot that's gone it's just arrived today now we have a very large-scale fire breaking out on what must be the south side this election season's stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team in the business follow the voters follow the results follow the facts,

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after ruby ridge, something happens down in waco, texas that enrages timothy mcveigh even further in atf task force investigating a compound run by a sort of religious cultish. a man named david koresh the so-called branch davidians, were people who sold weapons and manufactured illegal weapons for money. >> so they were very much in the kind of gun trade the atf makes a bold move. they decided to storm the compound in a surprise raid no one's going to hurt me or my family. >> that said, american policy here but let's say in america anymore with atf has that kind of power to come into anybody's home and keep doors down and things like that for agents were killed and more than a dozen wounded in a

blistering 45-minute shootout when agents arrived at the compound this morning, inside the compound, david koresh was shot six of his followers were killed. >> the whole world is watching this and with the whole world is timothy mcveigh and what mcveigh and the rest of the radical right is seeing this is what the government will do to people who have unusual political ideas. and our into weaponry and after that disaster when david crash refuses to lead his followers out, the fbi takes silver and the wake of confrontation begins. what ultimately turns out to be a 51 day standoff between an enormous array of fell federal forces and something like 100 the so-called branch davidians. there were completely 100% innocent children in there who were in there because their parents were about the babies and a women don't you care about them? how could you miss

what was going on in waco back then? it was on the news every single night i was a journalism major and i went down to waco to find another angle to that story to write for the paper just arrived today. i met this gentleman sitting on the hood of his car selling bumper stickers you felt strongly that david koresh had his rights violated by having his compound stormed, and he also felt that americans were losing their rights atf was the aggressor? >> they were looking for a fight. >> almost every case it is the governments are the aggressors his overall message was, we need to fear the government. >> there coming just like they did with david koresh mcveigh eventually went home. >> but like the rest of the world he kept watching and finally, after about seven weeks of negotiations, the fbi

decides to make a move of very aggressive move. federal agents bring in bradley fighting vehicles and they start to inject cs gas ask into the building see they've made a massive hole in the side of that building all of a sudden, there's a lick of flame comes out of one side of the building now we have very large scale fire breaking out on what must be the south side dawson, somebody can when i stepped before i probably did ten minutes, while our tv their children in there as well as some 65 other people who are burning to death at this very moment, watching flames lick out and watching use them come down, which seems was seen

their silence my members i'm not going shy. >> i felt range after waco make mcvay started to formulate this plan this was his act of war against the u.s. >> government now, losing end game. >> would you interpret it exactly? ruby ridge waco kids are fair game. women are fair game he goes through a number of different scenarios. it could be a sniping kidnapping and assassination. they kind of thing but none of these things seem like they're really going to be enough that they're not going to get the attention grabbed the government by the throat and make a change that's enough for ways mike valle, who is going to commit a bombing and make it the worst

bombing america had ever seen. so he started little by little to gather the materials he needed to make this bond a balmy plan to carry in the back of the truck and to build it. he needed to get his hands on ammonium nitrate, a highly explosive fertilizer so he starts going to places that sell ammonium nitrate and he knows for the size explosion he wants. >> he's going to have to get a ton of fertilizer, but he also doesn't want to raise suspicion so he buys a couple of hundred pounds here and then he buys a couple of hundred pounds here, trying to stay below the radar but mick, they realizes at some point that he can't do this all low so we turn to two fellow soldiers that he had met in the army years earlier, terry nichols and michael 48, both of them shared mcveigh's really intense hatred of the government. but

the planner of all this was mcvay the other two guys were basically flunkies. >> they got a couple of storage units and they've put in five or 650 pound bags of ammonium nitrate pointness, tougher is the fuel that they need to mix with it. for that you need very high-powered fuel nitro methane racing fuel to act as the main accelerant and the both. so they end up going down to the texas motor flex south of dallas and mcveigh poses as a writer needing that the fuel people he's trying to buy for a little shocked because you use tiny amounts of this fuel to by three barrels is unheard of. the first guy in fact, refuses to sell to him. he doesn't believe that he's really going to use this for racing as he claims ultimately he finds a second seller who does sell it to and so they

gradually built up their supplies during this time, mcveigh is scouting the country, trying to determine where the bomb is going to have the most impact there are several federal buildings in the country that get looked at as possible sites for the bomb. >> can the city rechecked peripheral, checked on him, dallas i remember no one in little rock, mcveigh's criteria was to cause the maximum amount of damage to law enforcement had to be at least two law enforcement agencies on the keywords, dea atf, fbi, and the only way they're going to get the message is quote, with a body count he picked the murderer building after finding it in a phone book he wanted the building once it was bombed to present an incredible spectacle and get a public building in the middle of how open area allows candidates to get the full view okay and

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the oklahoma city bombing took the nation by surprise, forcing americans everywhere to confirm an evil they never knew existed timothy mcveigh claimed his bomb was meant to send a message to the u.s. government but in reality, the devastation in oklahoma city let's felt most by the everyday americans he claimed to be fighting for mcveigh, got up that morning looked around his truck and headed off to oklahoma city, ready to wreak havoc on the world with regard to this proceeding, basically, there are four elements that i have to receive information regarding but car bomb ripped apart a federal building in oklahoma city. >> hundreds are injured, many are dead. >> i remember screaming i love my boys and there this morning

i had two grandsons. and the daycare center tomorrow building aaron was five. any larger was too when i got him dress that morning, i think elijah head on a shirt with a teddy bear when i got to the building i approached the bill and from one side that didn't have any damage and so someone to panic went away until i walked around to the other side of the building there was no building. the building was laying in the street when i saw that i saw of went crazy got to be paid i kept saying i've got to go in there. >> somebody grabbed my arm and i remember gerkin my arm away from them. and i got upset

because they wouldn't let me we want to building but there was no place to go anyway some of the other parents and they came up to me and i was still screaming and they didn't know where their children were either you can't help that the parent in ukraine because out if that were my kid in there, i would hope somebody would run in there and get my kid. marriage workers, people for trying to get into the building. >> in your mind, you're always thinking you're going to maybe find that one more personal alive that drove a lot of people to keep you on people all over the place, way up there always it's had a lot of face and i remember talking to god and at say, just let them be alive, who they are injured

us, okay i'll take care of them. but just let them be alive. i mean, they were babies my partner had just picked up a little boy and he was walking out with him holding him. he does look on his face and eyes. is he alive and he said no juries, not and i remember that he had a sweater on and had a picture of a teddy bear on the front of it it took this little boy over to what now is becoming makeshift morgue, which is the playground where the kids played, we laid him down and a nurse came by and she took a tag and she wrapped it around. he's a little foot and more i'll tell you what it home really hit home we're hoping that some of these youngsters that are still trapped in that building will not i come out dead, but we can

find the bombing in oklahoma city was an attack on innocent children and defenseless citizens it was an act of cowardice and it was evil three days after the bombing. >> i heard somebody call my name, mats when they told me they had found their bodies and i remember screaming screaming, god, i begged you i begged you to let them be alive and you didn't even hear me to see those images of children being pulled out of that building is just incredible i think this sends a shockwave throughout america the photograph that's really become iconic of the oklahoma city bombing is of a fireman holding one of the youngest victims, bailey alma a gentleman came up to me and said he had to critical infant

and he handed me a baby and the first thing i did was was check check or for signs. any signs of life? which i didn't find any. so i walked across the street with the baby and looked at the paramedic and told him i have a critical infant and i remember looking at her thinking that somebody's world is getting ready to be turned upside down because i knew her fate he's a tall, got 20 months old. at the end of the day. there were 160 take people killed. and that's hundred and 68 people included 19 small children we got the call frankie had been positively identified and just don't know that there's any formula that you can follow to prepare for the worst and especially when it comes to losing a child now, at 23 in the prime of life. >> and then you're thinking,

what are you going to tell her two-year-old? >> what about him on the morning of april the 19th, 1995? my daughter, julie marie, died julie worked is spanish translator for so security on the first floor of the building. she had gone to the social security waiting room to get a client and had she been at her office she had had been okay because there's no one killed in her work area but she was killed because she had left and went to the front of the building after julie's death, i went through a lot of a lot of grief and i went to the bomb site each day, felt a special closest by going there a cleansing rain fell in oklahoma city as thousands of mourners in a solemn processional made their way past the bomb site. the survivors and families of victims each place a single row amidst the debris. >> it was avoid that you can't fill the gain beginning of a

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the courtroom. >> the judge has sworn the jury and opening statements have begun in the trial of united states versus timothy mcveigh when mcveigh came in every morning before the jury showed up, he was smirking, laughing, flirting with any women on his team. >> i'm not going to go into that courtroom crude or fetal ban crime just committed to comply me to. >> but when it was time to all rise, he would go into his soldier mode. i think the prosecution put on on a very, very good case. >> they went through how they acquired the materials, how the bomb was built. i remember every friday afternoon, some of the last witnesses of the day before that week would be victims. so that the jurors four left over the weekend with the feeling of what it was like to be there are too have lost

someone during the bombing already stories when i hear, i like to say waiting i've heard your story many times before. >> the specific details maybe you need the truth is, you're not the first mother to lose a kid. you're not the first grandparent to lose her grand daughter or grandson. and it sounds poll, but i'm sorry picture that emerged of mcvay was of this very manipulative and very selfish person who didn't really care about any of the people around him, sitting in the courtroom. >> i just stare at him what would wish that my mind would reach out because i wanted to know why why did you do this? >> timothy mcveigh wanted to have a necessity defense that he needed to blow up the federal building because the federal government was an imminent threat to the life and

liberty of american citizens everywhere. but attend mcveigh's lawyer absolutely disagreed. >> mcveigh's attorney argued that this was a broader conspiracy and that timothy mcveigh was really just a foot soldier but i think anyone who sat through the trial would believe the same thing that timothy mcveigh was guilty of the bombing. >> it is a decision that has how much of the nation holding its breath today, the federal jury handed down its verdicts against him guilty on all counts i don't like the break folks back and now the question for the jury was should make baby sentenced to die i wanted to tell him to get the death penalty. i have never believed in capital to punish schmidt but that's what angered does to you. >> i want the man has been a very chilly, draws his last

breath in solitary confinement. >> marsha thought it tuohys. she was going to have to live the rest of her life without frankie each day. and she wants mcb aid blocked up to suffer every day and think about what he did. >> i mean lethal injection, putting somebody to sleep that has i created such pain for so many i mean, that's too macy i was so angry and so for revenge. it's hard to the explain what you go through. >> then i finally decided to killing him was not what i wanted is that going to help me to heal? >> tim mcveigh, one of the world to think that he didn't care if he was put to death he felt he had already won that were objected status instance when it happens you're facing they think they've won. i know when i heard marian.

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to death death is not a penalty. it's an escape. >> they treat me like a trophy a day. got me. they're going to kill me. we won they didn't win big bay season himself as a martyr to the cause. and he decides to drop his appeals and to not put any roadblocks in the way. so that his execution can go on as planned when mick face execution day came around, it was quite a big deal. outside the execution chamber. >> you have enormous numbers of people demonstrating against the death penalty as well as his life god forgive you for all you also had an enormous number of people demonstrating kill him, just referenced older

and he's on this gurney with this huge white cheat on them. and they asked him to maybe three times, did he have anything to say what off looking for in be some apology or something just saying i'm sorry. and he never uttered a word. >> there was a moment where he sat up as best he could and made eye contact with each person and deliberately spinning at least a second with each of us and then moving down the road that was a moment where he still seemed to be holding on to tim mcveigh, the soldier and all of a sudden you started seeing the tubes are kind of swaying as the chemicals came up into them one at a time. >> this earth holds nothing more for me okay. i'm ready to move on thirty-three-year-old timothy mcveigh, a decorated persian gulf war veteran and a mass murderer, was executed

this morning what we watched thanks, occasion here in oklahoma city and i felt nothing. >> i didn't feel any sadness i didn't feel any happiness just felt dan inside the. victims of the oklahoma city bombing had been given not vengeance, but justice for the survivors of the crime and for the families of the dead the pain goes on there's not a day that goes by that i don't think about my boys and i'd love to see him now because they'd be young man my daughter, julie is on my mind most most all the time. >> when your parents die you go to the hill hilltop and he buried them and when your

children die, he buried them in your heart and it's forever. >> it never goes away i see frankie then her daughter she'll turn of certain way and she doesn't look exactly like her, but there'll be certain just the years that followed the bombing were really dark. >> and i kept going back in time to that moment. >> when i looked up at the sky and i promise god, i'm never live my life the same. i have a second chance i've worked to improve by losing weight from over 355 pounds i was buried alive, wishing i had a child. you know, thinking i'm going to die without ever being a mother and today, i'm the proud mother of 19 19-year-old i've gone back to school. i became president, ceo of the same credit union that i was working at that day the same credit

union. i started out as a teller i can't even explain to you how dramatically different my life is now than my life was before i i'm just trying to live a good life and try to appreciate every day that i have my daughter ended up being born on her due date she came out perfectly healthy and she is now 23. >> and she graduated from college and she is aspiring to the teacher when something bad happens there is this tendency to think that it's somebody else, it's not us the thing that i think we learned is not only can an american jews, but somebody that served in the military. >> this is homegrown. >> mcveigh really thought that this bombing would kick off the revolution that americans from coast to coast would realize

how evil the government had become in would rise up and smashed the state. and i think he realized quite clearly by the time he died, it didn't happen and it wasn't going to happen timothy mcveigh's accomplice, terry nichols, was sentenced to life in prison without parole. >> michael poor da agreed to testify against mcveigh in exchange for 12 year prison sentence and is now in the witness protection program five years after the cowardly attack president bill clinton dedicated a memorial to the victims and survivors on the site where the alford murrah building once stood it features 168 empty chairs one for each of the lives lost i'm healed thanks for watching welcome to all you watching us here in the unit ste