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>> well, that might explain what we're seeing from vice president kamala harris on the campaign trail. >> because tonight she tried to flip the script on one of her most vulnerable issues in this election, immigration. on the same day, the trump campaign put out this ad, dubbing her the so-called border czar and laying the problems at the border at her feet exclusively harris tonight tried to swat that attack down the bipartisan deal because he thought it would help him win an election donald trump does not care about border security we only cares about himself i will bring back the borders security bill that donald trump killed, and i will sign it into law now, remember that bipartisan senate bill would have given the president the power to shut down the border once crossings hit a certain threshold, it

would have also made it much harder to get asylum but republicans you recall said it wasn't good enough. >> now, harris atlanta immigration played very well with the friendly democratic crowd there for her and atlanta. but those of course, aren't the independent voters that she needs to win over in this incredibly tight race? and, poll after poll has shown that voters think that the biden-harris administration is who failed on the border? now the question is will hurt pointing the finger at trump, make voters want to fill in the bubble for her that we'll have to see one thing is very clear tonight harris is not backing down from this fight. we've got exhibit a of that very notion this evening when she almost taunted trump for his refusal to commit to debating her you'll reconsider to meet me

on the debate stage because that's the saying goes if you've got something to say now we all know, that that t shirt does wrote itself at the dmc, right? well, joining me now two men who were at tonight's rally, former mayor of atlanta could seem reid and also former republican lieutenant governor of georgia, geoff duncan. good to see both through gentlemen this evening. let me begin with you here. jeff because you and i have talked about this in the past. you endorsed harris for president, but you have said you don't see eye-to-eye on every issue. and tonight she went on the offensive on the issue of immigration. is that the case she needs to be making on this issue? >> absolutely. i think we have to recognize that the 10% in the middle are still going to determine who wins this presidential election. and if

every room she walked into requires her to try to win a primary, each and every night with just playing to the base, she's not going to win the hearts and minds of that 10%. but if she continues to do what she's doing and talk about those tough issues that were hard for the biden campaign to talk about inflation, immigration, if she's able to talk about those in articulate way. yeah, she's going to capture the hearts and minds because donald trump he can't speak to those folks. he lost them so long ago with his, with his rhetoric and anger-filled responses it's interesting point to think about, not preaching to one's choir within 100 days of the actual election may are really bring you into this because there was an interview tonight on fox news, trump, he was asked how black women would fare under a second trump administration. >> and he pivoted right back to harris listen if you have how are you going to have very unsafe streets? >> you're going to have millions of people coming in taking your job and your husband's job. remember this? again? i said it before. i'll say it again. black people when

all of these people are coming in the ones that are losing the biggest are the black population now not all only in terms of job, but in terms of crime people are being killed by these migrants coming in from jails, prisons, and gangs from south america, and from all over the world. are they coming from all over the world that was yesterday question, i believe had with a trump administration a second one, he pivoted to harris instead what's your response, mayor? i mean my responses, if trump is trying to get black women, he's losing the campaign. black women are gone. if you had been in the hall tonight, if you've been in a barbershop, if you've been in the grocery store, the most aggressive and passionate supporters of kamala harris are black women. so he can spend all of the time. he wants with those kind of stunts. she's going to continue to do what she did tonight, make it very plain. it wasn't the republican party that killed the border bill. it was donald trump who

killed the border bill so she's going to do what lieutenant governor said. she's going to talk about issues in rooms where you wouldn't traditionally have a conversation about the border in a room, in a room full of ten 10,000 democrats. if the republicans want to spend their time with these old tropes in stereotypes going after black women. they're going to have a very bad night on election night. they're gone well to that point, i mean, some thought she might shy away lieutenant governor from this conversation. >> people believed it was the achilles heel. she seems to be going on the offense and saying, i'm right here, you want to talk about immigration. let's talk about immigration. but georgia is a state that everyone has been watching. biden won it by the slimmest of margins in 2020. and the latest polls show that harris is actually trailing trump. does she have a realistic shot at trying to rebuild the biden coalition and winning georgia

yeah, the great reset has hit georgia to, this is a, this is a neck and neck race here in georgia and it's going to be up to that ten 10% that can she convince the suburbs that she's worthy to take the leadership role in, even though we don't align and the suburbs don't align one for one on all of her policies, but do they have an adult in the room? and i think that's really what we're looking for is adults in the room there's one common thread in georgia to folks at lose elections and they seem to be the ones republicans that is, seems to be the ones that attach their wagons to donald trump we have eight statewide constitutional officers that are republicans. large republican majorities, and the state senate and state house. but two us senators in the last presidential pick was a democrat because donald trump had his fingers on it well, he's done a lot of tough stuff here in this state. he's lied to people. he's caused a lot of heartache, certainly for me and my family and others he's got no police went in this it's certainly a neck and neck race. >> while marrying my colleague ryan young he was speaking to some black male voters in

georgia. this is before tonight's rally about their concerns that they expressed about vice president harris and top of that ticket, listen to this specifically, what's your agenda you're, not going messages from me, does not talking to me through the language of social justice you know, i would like for her to speak more to black men because you can't just went on the black woman this is interesting to me in particular, mayor ishi failing to address black men specifically is her message too narrowly focused, or is this a factor or something else? >> a young entrepreneur who is a graduate of morehouse college introduced her tonight. i was in the barbershop on saturday. black man are going to vote for kamala harris because we are black moms. we have black wives, we have black daughters. so once again, if you look at

the data the enthusiasm gap, and the polling gap, that president biden was experiencing is going away in fading. and it's so much bigger and so much deeper than these talking points. it's about looking your grandmother in the face. look in your wife, in the face, looking your daughter in the face and having the opportunity to elect a competent qualified woman president kamala harris is going to win the state of georgia mark my words, and she's going to win because georgians don't like republicans, like donald trump they'd like republicans like geoff duncan that's why brian kemp is governor. that's why brian kemp beat david perdue because republicans like donald trump and j.d vance don't play in georgia and every time they try to get these out of touch individuals like herschel walker and others, they lose if they had gotten somebody like the lieutenant governor, we

have been having a different conversation. they have these weird extreme people and georgia republicans don't like it, and they're going to lose mayor kasim reed, geoff duncan. thank you both so much for your insight tonight thanks a lot well, at tonight's rally, harris, she criticized project 2025, which is the conservative blueprint for overhauling the government, among other things. it was about for a possible second, donald trump presidency but you know, now the man who was leading the way on this, paul dans, he actually stepped down today after facing criticism from both democrats and the trump campaign. trump's campaign advisers writing in a statement reports of project 2025, demise as would be greatly welcomed, entered serve as notice to anyone or any group trying to misrepresent their influence with president trump and his campaign. it will not end well for you. now, it should be

noted at least 140 former trump administration officials have actually contributed to project 2025 i'm included detailed policy proposals. trump could put into place on day one and built a list of potential hires to staff a new trump administration. those aren't going anywhere through behind the entire project is the heritage foundation. and of course, they will also continue on. now, some of the policies that were proposed have actually then shutting down the education department tightening white house supervision of the doj and also large scale immigration raids. with me now, former specialists into president biden meghan hays and republican strategist, matt gorman. good to have both of you here tonight. we begin here matt, with you dams. >> dams actually served in the first trump administration. any previous said that he would actually serve in the white house if trump won again and he told steve bannon, i'm quoting here that project 2025 was quote, going to be a d-day

invasion plan so can you separate the policy from the candidate? >> i think dan should have known probably one of the first rules of working for donald trump, which is you don't try and make yourself bigger than the principle. one thing that's been common if you've been in donald trump's orbit and been cast away many times is because they've either gotten too much attention or that they've tried to make themselves look like the brains of the operation. and i think we haven't yet another person here who's fault that same thing. >> is that what's going on though, or is he getting too big or was it now too clear to people who were leaning in, what the project was about. >> i think it's a little bit of both here. i think that the policies are becoming more extreme. and now with the comma at the top of the ticket it's a different race. so he has to, he needs to draw it and he needs those independent voters and a lot of these policies are extreme. and i just don't think that the voters are going to go for that, but i also agree with you that when people become too big and they're become the story, trump doesn't like that. >> well now, but this is disbanded and he's distance things up with that ten foot pole that many people have in

washington, dc how are they going to pivot in the harris campaign? >> i think that they're going to stick to the issues they're going to start focusing on things that are going to attract those independent voters, reproductive rights. i think the enthusiasm, the money they're raising, the organizers and the organization that they are setting up and the people who are now getting behind this campaign, i think that momentum going into a vp pick, going into the convention is really great for the democratic party. and i think people are enthusiastic about policy i think it's giving people a place to go that didn't feel like they had a place to go when it was biden versus trump, you know, it's very so bringing any conversation that gives you a bit of sugar high immigration. this is the universal issue. everyone has been talking about. and today, harris released a brand new ad touting her tougher stance on immigration. listen to this on the border, the choice is simple. kamala harris supports increasing the number of border patrol agents donald trump blocked a bill to increase the number of border patrol agents kamala harris supports investing in new technology to block fentanyl from entering the country donald trump blocked funding for technology

to block fentanyl from entering the country now of course, this ad came a couple of hours after trump released his own ad attacking what is this achilles heel what do you make of it? matt, in the way that the harris campaign is going about it saying, you know, it's like your mother says, you point the finger at me. they're a three-point back at you and the three pointing back at trump is this senate border bill. >> we have 30 more because you want to start from scratch on it. she went deep criminalized legal immigration. so i'll tell you, we feel confident on that issue. she needs some response though, right? you can't just not talk about it. but, you know, immigration and meghan not united talked about this a lot immigration abortion are often i think two sides of the same coin and it comes as election. there's a abortion which the right is liri to talk about, the left wants to push immigration, which his vice versa. and it's really going to be a battle for their single issue. voters. those folks who are going to crawl over broken glass to vote on one of those issues, whichever one wins is going to go extremely far in telling you is he's gonna win the election, but i do think we agree. hear that it's the first person to start talking about the economy and making good sense on the economy is

where are these people who are not single issue voters are going to go and i think that's where a lot of these independents are going to lie. i you know, the singlest up were on the margins, but the economy has really were both campaigns their to focus, i wonder are the two sides those coin, what's going to be more impactful and talking about trump, we heard that kamala harris ad, but he went on a radio show where he in the host, well, the host called harris's husband and second gentleman, doug emhoff, who is jewish quote ate crappy jew. >> his words trump seemed to agree that nodding fashion and he repeated a statement that he has said before actually about harris. listen to this number one she doesn't like israel. number two, she doesn't like jewish people. >> you know it. i know it. everybody knows it, and nobody wants to say it. >> she doesn't like jewish people she doesn't like israel. >> that's the way it is. and that's the way it's always gonna be what does he gain by this line of attack? yeah, i

don't my advice is don't overthink kind of this. this is off, this is back to me, but it's done over think kind of the issues on this, right. go back to where they were running the campaign we're going to run in june 26, the day before the cnn debate, right? immigration crime, the economy don't get to know them years ago now, do you think overthink it too much, right? i think i go back to those kind of mainstay issues. if you're republicans it's more safer ground as you could add in harris's stances, that she's changed since you ran for president twice in 2020, it's for a more fruitful and accurate hyperbole though. >> yeah. and i just also think attacking people's religion, if you're jewish or not, there's, nobody wants to be attacked like that it's just it's really just kind of discussing language. her husband is do it. it's just not an appropriate attack on her, but i don't think i don't i don't think he knows what attack is going to land. so he is throwing everything at the wall and to see if this will sick. >> i don't think this one we'll but we'll see meghan matt nice to have both of you on. thank you well, the harris campaign already scheduling events with her running mate

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tuesday i, know you're asking, who will that running mate be while cnn learning, but pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, arizona senator mark kelly, and minnesota governor tim walz are the top contenders. secretary pete buttigieg and kentucky governor andy beshear, though not top of the list, are actually still under consideration. well, here on laura coates live, we've been covering the different potential vp picks and tonight it's minnesota governor tim waltz's turn. here is walz earlier tonight explaining how he is trying to dismantle the republican ticket's power this is the emperor's wearing no clothes and once you take that away from him, it opens up the space to start asking the questions. this is about making sure you take away this perceived power he has. and in most cases with bullies, he doesn't have that well, joining me now to make the case for wealth as vp journalist and editor in chief of zeteo, mehdi hassan, he's also the author of the new column, why kamala harris should pick tim walz as

her running mate to the point, many nice to have you on. >> thank you so much. i mean, you've been kind of walls pilled as they say, like so many who are now backing the minnesota governor nerve for vp, why do you think he should be the one laura, thanks for having me. >> i think it's a great question. look, a lot of us have been wolves pilled in recent days because we've been watching endless clips of this guy just on cable, on cnn, on network television, but also going back months and months to when he was signing in free school breakfast and lunch is going on roller coasters with his daughter. the guy is super likable, super charismatic, super eloquent knows how to take the fight to the gop has a great record and laura, i think the point of a vice presidential pick for me should be twofold. number one, kamala harris needs that attack dog, someone who can take the fight to the republican party, to vance to from to maga. and number two, someone can mobilize the base. she's done a great job of getting enthusiasm back in the democratic party. you need to build on that. you don't want any kind of candidate who's gonna de-mobilize that base.

and i think once wins on both counts, he's he's great at taking on the republicans. he's ease america's financial amiable. he's snarky. he has a way with words tim kaine, he ain't and i don't think the democrats want another tim kaine from 2016, so he's, he's great and all of that stuff that i love, i'm ago loves a good debate, a good rhetorical fight. he's great at that at his record is amazing in minnesota, this is a guy who with a one seat majority in the state senate got a child tax credit done, got education spending health spending infrastructure spending how housing spending, gun-control codification of abortion rights. the list goes on and on. he did it in one legislative session. so midwestern governor fungi, 24 year veteran of the army national guard, and he took his high school football team to its first they really want him on the ticket waiting for man, you describe minnesota nice. >> and now if football story, if there's a slow clap coming from someone in somewhere in the world, let me ask you though many about that particular record as governor.

because as you said, attack dog is one of the criteria you want someone who can echo the message, but he has included a number of so-called progressive initiatives, while a progressive initiatives, including increasing spending for welfare programs legalizing recreational marijuana implementing universal gun background checks just to name a few, and you've named several of them as well. you know that harris already being labeled this radical liberal label, whether that's true to you or not does these different legislative initiatives, would that help or harm the ticket based on what he has done it's a great question jake tapper all still colleague. jake is tim walz this question, elie honig, great. we had a great response which you live to love this guy. he goes about a monster for wanting to give kids free breakfast and lunch. i just think great. bringing on if the republicans want to go after his record and say wow, he's the evil monster who gave free school lunches and meals. he's the guy got abortion rights done here guy got gang controlled. and remember, 80%, 90% of americans, including a

majority of republicans, support background checks is more popular than apple pie. so go off to his record. good luck with that. he is a midwestern governor. he's an army veteran. he's from a rural town. go for it. good luck to you. i mean, he's from he ticked so many boxes and here's an important partner people say progressive, progressive the democratic base. it's pretty progressive right now. one of the problems biden has had is that young people, black people, arab americans in michigan, labor unions were not infused on multiple levels, including on gaza and what won't springs is a candidacy with very little baggage compared to josh shapiro, mark kelly, impressive figure it's from key swing states, but have baggage when it comes to labor unions, when it comes to education policy and shapiro, when it comes to gaza. of course. >> when of course, thinking about that issue and the latter of him, this has been a problem in terms of the undecided vote, the uncommitted vote, for example, and places like michigan, or also in might actually home state heat of minnesota. we think about this, but you've mentioned seeing him all over the airwaves mean

we've seen frankly multiple vp contenders who were hitting those airways. here's a little bit of a sample of how walz has been attacking republicans, notably kicking off the, well, the weird trend. listen these are weird people on the other side. they want to take books away. they want to be on your exam room. have you ever seen the guy laugh that seems very weird to me that a, that an adult can go through 6.5 years of being in the public eye if he has laughed, it's at someone not with someone hoffman the world. do you make that wake up afterwards and know that a black woman? and kicked his and sent him on the road that is what you describe as minnesota nice people in case you were wondering what that phrase really means. >> he did tell anderson right the way that he's not calling trump's supporters weird. >> just trump and vance. >> i do wonder because there's been a lot of criticism about this phrase. is this the end? in addition to be used as the new deplorables comment no, not at all. >> and that hasn't been lots of

critters. laura, the only people criticizing the weirdos look, the reality is that the phrase works. the fact is bothering vivek ramaswamy so much and donald trump and j.d. vance tells you that it's working and look, i have waited years. laura national democrat to go on tv and talk about donald trump and the terms we just heard from tim walz. that is what kamala harris on the ticket. she doesn't need a mark kelly, who in arizona has to say stuff like my republican colleagues are wonderful people. they weren't very, this is not the election. this is the election where you need a fighter, someone who can call out the maga weirdos and dangerous folks, the lead he does on the other side, otherwise, yeah. you will end up picking tim kaine situation. i would not want to see us back in a tim kaine situation with the greatest threat to tim kaine, but it's not the right role. >> mehdi hasan need a mug that says what you just described. i have a whole series of things to populate that mug for you, mehdi hasan. thank you so much. sea cv here tonight. thanks, laura there's some breaking news into cnn reports that the political leader of hamas has been killed any ron's capital.

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state media. >> and they are quoting the islamic revolutionary guard corps saying that is male haniyeh, the political leader of hamas, has been killed in tehran in the iranian capital now at this point, there are no details of exactly what happened. we know he was killed according to the reports from from from state media with his his body guard as well. and we understand that he was in tehran for the inauguration of the new iranian president's. now that happened on tuesday, he was still in teheran. we don't know the exact timing of when this event took place. there has been no claim of responsibility, but most suspicions are falling on israel at this point, we have asked israeli authorities for comment on this. israel has made it very clear that it considers all of the leaders of hamas to be a target since the october 7 attacks by hamas in

israel last year. and we have seen a number of the leaders be assassinated. the military between number two in gaza, for example, mohammed deif was killed recently, and we know that they are trying to get more leaders. so this is a significant development, is male hania has been part of hamas since the 80s. see is a very significant figure within this group. we know that he took over as the political leader in 2017. much of his time after that was spent outside of gaza. he has been living in in doha, qatar. he's also been free to travel around some other countries, for example iran, he's been in turkey as well but israel did say that it did consider all of these leaders to be a target. since october 7. so it at this point is a significant

development. israel has not claimed responsibility, made any comment which is not unusual when it comes to some of these attacks max, we have seen in the past. now, we heard a statement as well from hamas is calling it a quote zionist raid on a residence in tehran. so they're very clear about who they believe was responsible for this. >> now, haniyeh himself had, had joined a mass back in the 80s during the first intifada. >> and he was a very vocal, a very public spokesperson and political leader for the group we do know that israel had been going after his family in gaza since october 7. in fact, just one month after those hamas attacks, they did target his residence in gaza city. we know they have also targeted his family a number of his his children have been killed in israeli airstrikes since that attack. but as we have been

speaking for just the recent hours an assassination talked about in beirut of a hezbollah leader. the fact we are now talking about the political leader of hamas potentially being assassinated in tehran. it is a very significant development you're describing him as this political leader. what does his death mean to leadership now within hamas and is there someone who would take the place of this man? >> well at this point, given what is happening in gaza, the political leadership and the military leadership really does not have too much communication. we know that yahya sinwar is in gaza, are believed to be in gaza at this point to israeli officials believed that he is in the tunnel network potentially hiding from israeli airstrikes. he is the number one target that they have at this point. but when you're looking at,

for example, the negotiations of a possible hostage release deal and ceasefire deal the negotiations really focus on yahya shinwa. so he is the key quemin in gaza at this point to try and get that deal done. but we have heard a lot from izmail, hania, as well. he is was presumably in touch with the military leadership, but given the nature of what is happening, giving the. war in gaza at this point, the political and military leadership is certainly it's certainly quite separate. it appears, and communication would be extremely difficult, but we have seen that a number of political leaders have been assassinated in the past. and there has always been someone to take their place, for example, shake yassine, the founder of hamas ismail haniyeh, was very close to him and was one of his assistance and then shake yassin was assassinated so this is not

unusual when it comes to these, these groups certainly with him mass we have seen a number of leaders be assassinated by israel. so it would not be a surprise to see another political figure emerge. but at this point, obviously the focus for israel is also on the military leadership in gaza hi, thank you so much. >> i want to bring in senior editor at bloomberg, bobby go, she's on the phone. i mean, what is your reaction to this news? >> well, it is a quite spectacular achievement by israel. we're still waiting for all the details of course what, a strike within within iran to kill kill the top political leader of hamas is, is quite an achievement and it will of course, be a big shock, not just to hamas itself but to its main sponsor, which is iran and a tremendous embarrassment for him, iran that he should be

killed within iranian soil if all those details turned out to be true, the fact that the information is coming from a mass suggests that it must be true but we will find out more about the nature of the operation. it's quite we've seen that israel has capacity to strike within iran, but usually it has struck comparatively lesser targets. this is the biggest and most sort of senior person that has been taken out in this way. it is a big, big hit, it is a big hit to hamas and it will basically throw all a lot of the negotiations that have been taking place over a ceasefire in gaza, the release so if israeli hostages, it will probably throw all of those talks into a loop for now. they will probably be no progress on

that front but i think for the moment, israel and prime minister netanyahu will take the credit for having taken out one of the most senior and most committed enemies the fact that it happened on iranian soil what does that do in terms of iran's potential response, noting what you've described as a shock at potential embarrassment well, it is quite something it is a huge embarrassment for iran to have its to have this happen on iranian soil. i mean, he had he had gone there because to attend the swearing in of the new iranian president and so therefore would have been regarded as a guest of the state to have such a prominent figure killed by your sworn enemy on your home soil. that

is, that is quite a blow for iran for its prestige particularly among its network of proxy militias like hamas and hezbollah. and the houthis in yemen the leadership of all these groups routinely go to iran and around is one of the few places in the world where they have felt like they could be seen in the open in ways that they danced sometimes even in their own countries. >> so far, for him to be killed there is quite something bobby, it hasn't even been a week since benjamin netanyahu visited congress, met with the president, vice president, and presidential candidate donald trump. >> how do you think the white house will respond to this and react well, is foster that he indication the white house will defend will say that israel has a right to defend itself and

probably leave it at that. >> it will point out that is my land. he is a leader of as a leader of a terrorist group, a group that the united states require recognizes the terrorist group is a fair target i think the what it wants say is it's quite relieved that this should take place in iran and not in qatar. where haniah has been based for some time now qatar is an ally, a crucial ally of the united states. and it would be awkward for the u.s. if israel had struck sort of mounted a military operation in qatar. so i think you know, there will be a sense that it could have been a lot worse for the u.s in general, they will also be, of course some concern that the objective of getting a ceasefire over gaza, is now probably at the very least

postpone if not completely destroyed. by mixing those, i think. >> yes. thank you. bobby states you stand by, please. i want to go back to paula. i understand that israel is reacting tonight. what are you learning, paula? >> yeah. so laura, we did ask the israeli military about the this as soon as the reports came in and what we're hearing from the idf is that they quote, don't respond to reports in the foreign media. now that is a response it's that we have heard frequently from the israeli authorities when it comes to these kind of assassinations or these kinds of killings overseas and it's something that they potentially don't want it to confirm. at this point. but it is something that that is widely believed to be israel's doing what we have

seen in the past is that israel doesn't admit to these kinds of attacks. but of course, there is an expectation that they were behind it. they have been very clear in saying that they considered all the leadership of hamas and all of hamas to be a target after october 7 attacks in israel. and this is certainly what they have been trying to do. it is something we have seen them do in recent months. the military number two gaza, they believe they killed recently there have been a number of other top hamas officials within gaza that they have killed. but of course the fact that this is a political leader outside of gaza is a very significant development. laura bobby, let me get to you on there. i mean, just to paula's point, it's very it's been very clear that is really leadership has said that they will hold all of hamas leadership to account what's your reaction that there

has not been a confirmation of what is widely believed to be the responsible party here well, as israel doesn't really need to confirm it at this point. and as you just have it has been israel's ammo in the past not to openly acknowledged or not to openly take credit for operations deeper than iranian territory. so i think if hamas is saying it themselves, that that's more than sufficient for israel, i think it does not really need at this point to beat its chest and take credit. i think we will see despite whether or not the israeli government makes us formal statement to that effect, i think they will be celebrations in israel nonetheless, and everybody will know that this was an israeli strike. and we'll will take satisfaction from that cnn international diplomatic editor, nic robertson is

joining us as well. nic, what are your sources telling you? you in the region that saying that this will make the current tensions and situation worse at the moment they believe despite the fact that israel has not claimed less, they do, they do see this and interpret this as something that's going to look net make promising netanyahu looks stronger on the home front. >> not only the ability to reach into iran and apparently kill ismail haniyeh, but also to be able to reach an accurately target in beirut less than 24 hours earlier, it appears the number two in hezbollah. >> and so this is a moment for some looking at this in the region that this makes netanyahu and israel's statements that it will reach

and take out its enemies. and this makes it very credible, but it, but it does definitely from their perspective, made the made the situation less stable. obviously, a strike inside iranian territory like this, that is that is, that is that is not what se a scientist or a lesser known figure, but a very senior figure in hamas, apparently very close to the iranians we don't quite know all the circumstances, but this is certainly going to be an embarrassing moment for the iranians and we know that obviously because the tensions with iran earlier this year lead to the crossing the rubicon. if you will, for the first time, both sides directly acknowledging significant strikes, missile strikes against each other, particularly iran's attack on israel at the moment for the region, this is a moment i

think where there'll be watching to see iran's response, but definitely from the, from the source that i just contacted with who believes absolutely that israel is responsible for this? they do believe that this will make the situation definitely more tents in the immediate period next, please stand by for us here. >> we've got cnn political analyst and foreign policy analyst barak ravid. he is on the phone. rock. what is your reaction to what we're learning tonight? >> well i think this is first the most significant israeli operation against hamas since october 7. is melania is, is militarily is not that significant, but politically he's the he's the political leader of hamas and he wonder internal elections within hamas to get this job is in charge of hamas's international relations, and he's the key

interlocutor for the egyptian and qatari mediators on the gaza hostage and ceasefire deal. so his assess summation will have significant influence on those negotiations. >> the fact that he is the key interlocutor. i mean, obviously we also heard about a hezbollah leader also being killed. is there some notion that these are either a coordinated and be do you agree with the assessment of some people have spoken tonight about this being the end temporarily at least of any conversations in terms of hostage negotiation and release you know, in the immediate term for sure. >> but i think that first ismail nia as a very senior leader within some ask, the israeli government's seasons, one of those responsible for october 7. and therefore, these wellies said from day one, we will hunt down all those responsible for october 7. so so this assassination in a way

was just a matter of when, not a matter of if and when it just happened after ten months after october 7. but i think that would be at least israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu thinks and he says that publicly is that more and more military pressure on hamas will lead this group to maybe be more flexible in the negotiations over the hostage deal it until now, at least it doesn't seem that that it delivered a deal. hamas the military to pressure did make hamas changed some of its positions, but not enough to get a deal. >> brock, this is just in from cnn's alex marquardt, the white house has seen the reports of hamas is political leader, ismail haniyeh being killed in iran. a spokesperson said, but they declined to immediately comment further. how do you think the white house is processing this news

well, at least several white house officials, i spoke to were stunned by those vitals report when the reports came, when the hamas statement came out at least for now from the people i spoke to. >> it doesn't seem that the israelis gave a heads up to the u.s least. that's what i heard from people. i spoke to. >> but there's still something that needs to be further checked. >> but i think that it is definitely if let's say if the biden administration's saw the their strike in beirut today in the killing of hezbollah's top military leader as a something which was completely legitimate. i think that at least this operation in tehran i think people in this last we

hear you again, barack phase. >> your point, please go ahead. >> yeah. >> i think that the administration sees this operation in tehran as much more complicated and it's something that might create much more tensions in the region although i think that then i hear it from almost every us official. the biden ministration definitely saw a need. somebody that need to be brought to justice either by killing him or by bringing him to you, by arresting him and we'll bring him to trial or something which was obviously not going to happen. so i don't think anybody in the biden ministration is it feels sorry that this melania was killed tonight, but i think that for many, indeed ministration they now see the hostage and ceasefire deal that they've been working on for for a long time getting further

away. >> well, we have not yet heard directly from the white house on this issue and their response this please stand by brock. this is coming after we've learning about an assassination of hezbollah's top military commander in an airstrike in beirut, ben wedeman is with us, live in beirut. ben. this is coming after this retaliatory strike of sorts. what are you hearing? >> well, hear this news is just coming out here in lebanon as well. so we're not yet hearing much in the way of a reaction. >> but obviously it's going to be sending, jitters around the other organizations. >> that are affiliated with iran and that, for instance, his butler, which lost one of its senior military commanders today and then there's rarely strike was today, actually yesterday in beirut is going to realize that clearly if it was

indeed in israeli strike or raid that killed its mine, he got on that they're security has been breached. that the israelis have information about the whereabouts of not only his bulla military commanders, but are able to get somebody as senior as it's mile haniah, the political leader of hamas assassinate him in the heart of run-in capital. this really underscores it that they are much more vulnerable than they suspected and that if israelis are able to kill somebody as senior, if it's mine, haniah in iraq on and what schuker hezbollah leader who's still in beirut yesterday. this these rebels can get get to people

wherever they are now it's obviously going to complicate the situation immensely in terms of the ceasefire negotiations that it was just this sunday that various interlocken from qatar, israel united states, egypt, and elsewhere met in rome trying to move forward did the ceasefire negotiations that would have led to a cessation of fighting in gaza, as well as possible release of israeli hostages in gaza. it's hard to imagine that those are going to go ahead under these circumstances. >> ben wedeman. thank you. were breaking this news this evening as the key interlocutor and a hamas political leader killed in iran. we're going to take a quick break. there's much more ahead on cnn it was i shall not

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