need to be careful with this crap that's just the only way to say this. she's indian, she's black. her father's jamaican she's black as far as every black person in america is concerned, she is black. we consider kamala harris would be one of us because she is one of us. the woman went to howard university attorney general for the largest state in the country you can have whatever differences you want with the vice president. that's fine. most black cpu out, they're gonna start right? you got differences will hear the difference is now we might disagree, but, but let's have that conversation. but the question the vice presidents ethnicity, i mean i can't even say what i really want to say about this. but i just think this was a calculating mistake and i wouldn't have because i think because it's television and it's words that i probably shouldn't use our live television scott, it is. so i just this just wasn't good were there some good moments for him on the economy shore with harris and katia. she asked some very pointed questions but overall, i just

don't see what the net gain here was. and i think a lot of black people will watch this appearance and then they will point to the former president and they will point to the republican party and say this is exactly why wouldn't you never give you all the majority of our support? >> i'm curious what you make of a line that we've heard him say before, but he drilled down on it today and he was asked a follow up. he sort of ignored it. he makes the argument that he's the best president for black people abraham lincoln yeah as a republican. your response based on what metric i mean, based on what metrics honestly are there some good benefits i would argue in terms of conservatism culturally speaking, shore i think we're not a more relativist party shor are we good on the economic front? yes, i think we're better than democrats and liberalism on international relations. and the idea of free trade and capitalism but i think when you make these sorts of assessments, before people

who have the experiences at the vast majority of black people have historically and you say you were the absolute best compared to a litany of presidents from civil rights to the ending of slavery. i mean, i can go on and on a lot of black people are going to look at your say what the hell are you talking about? i'm just being very honest. and so if i were advising the former president, i would say, look, you have an opportunity here to talk about some, some good things potentially that republicans could do to lower cost to make things better for the average american, including many black people but don't go out there and make a fool of yourself. let me just put it that way. >> you think he made a fool of himself? >> i just don't think this was a good moment for him. and i will come on this network and you guys know this often talk about very good things that i think the president has to his advantage. we've had those conversations but i just think it would be ridiculous for me as a black man regardless of my political beliefs to come on this network and pretend that that was a great moment when i

know it wasn't let's go to juror it hill. he's the former president of the los angeles chapter of the nab, jay and he's joining us now virtually gerrit, you watch that. what did you think? >> i disagreed with michael's? an axis clear oh, i definitely agree with him on this moment. this was a of a situation i think we sit here in the headline that i'm talking about, kamala harris having quote, turned black, which really harkens back to the brock obama era, right? this is like the beginning of birtherism conversation about whether or not she's actually black which to me just kinda feels played and old and tired, but also antagonistic. i think that one of the one of the things that shermichael was talking about prior to the speech, what we're the conversation was that this was an opportunity to reach out to black voters, which is something i really disagree with because i think that when we see these kinds of moments, this isn't about reaching out to black people at all. because if you look at what he did,

there's nothing that you can point to in this interview where he has said something that really reached out to black people. this is about reaching out to white people that feel like they can make a less, they feel a little less racist in this choice when they see him showing up with black people, when they show him, show him coming up to black conventions and doing those kinds of things. and i don't even know if that was accomplished in this juror. >> what did you make of his remarks regarding the vice president? >> i think he did exactly what we expect him to do with the rice, with the vice president, we hear him mispronounced her name. we hear him disparate her as a woman. we've heard him do all kinds of different things like this. and i think these are the kinds of moments where he could really have an opportunity to reach out to black voters. he could have an opportunity to push back and say i'm not a misogynist or i'm not a racist or any of those kinds of things. and we've not seen that here. we've seen him attack these black women on this panel. we've seen him attack the organization saying that he was

that their equipment was bad and you go you all had me holding up in the back where we've seen other reporting that he was resisting to the fact-checking. so this is a very frustrating thing to watch him do this on this stage. and as a presidential candidate going up against kamala harris yeah, he also was he was taking aim at her for failing the bar on her first go, which a lot of people do two, in fact, i think some years in california, more people do than not. >> and lots of well-known people. i was just looking it up. hillary clinton talks about in her book, fdr, they failed the bar, but kamala harris also did something that donald trump did not do. gerrit, which is that she passed the bar he has not made his academic records, certainly public. i wonder what you think the effect of talking about something like that academic achievement when actually her academic achievement has been quite

good, what the effect is of comments like that well, i, this is about projection, right? i think one of the most consistent things that we've seen out of donald trump is the projection, right? if he's, if he's being perceived as a criminal, which he now is, he caused other people criminals. if we see him as any one of these other kinds of things where we are able to point to him being erased says he calls everyone else racist. if we see any of those kinds of things, he's always project getting in this issue about education where we see him being, where he's calling her stupid and lazy and not valuable than all of these different things. this is projection, right? and so we see this from him time and time again. we know that donald trump ran a university so that was for profit and ended up being shut down because it was fake. we know that donald trump does these kinds of things all the time. and so when it comes to him calling kamala harris, an educated or not smart, we also know that this is a racist attack, right? we know that black people are always being

called lazy, been called unqualified in the ways that we've seen him do you repeatedly. so this is on brand for trump. i don't know what this has gained him. i don't know what this has grown for him, and it also is a bad omen for us at any bj to be quite honest we do want to replay the sound from that first question. >> what led this question-and-answer session? let's listen claims about some of your rivals from nikki haley to former president barak obama, saying that they were not born in the united states, which is not true. you have told for congress when women of color who were american citizens to go back to where they came from, you have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys you've attack black journalists, calling them losers saying the questions that they asked. >> are quote, stupid and racist. you've had dinner with a white supremacist at your mar-a-lago resort? >> so my question, sir now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after

you have used language like that? well, first of all, i don't think i've ever been asked a question. so in such a horrible manner, first question you don't even say hello. >> how are you? you are you with abc? because i think they're a fake news network at terrible and i think it's disgraceful that i came here in good spirit. i loved the black population of this country. i've done so much for the black population of this country including employment, including opportunity zones with senator tim scott of south carolina, which is one of the greatest programs ever for a black workers and black entrepreneurs. a dozen so much you know, and i say this historically black colleges and universities were out of money. they were stone called, broke. and i save them and i gave them

long term financing and nobody else was doing it. i think it's a very rude introduction. i don't know exactly why you would do something like that. and let me go a step further. i was invited here and i was told my opponent whether it was biden or kamala i was told my opponent was going to be here. it turned out my opponent isn't here. you invited me under false pretense, and then you said you can't do it with zoom. well we're zoom she's going to do it was zoom and she is not coming. and then you are half an hour late just so we understand, i have too much respect for you to be laid. they couldn't get their equipment working or something. >> i would think it's very nasty to why i have answered my question with that is the answer that led off this moderated panel discussion at the national association of black journalists convention, which if someone who was there in the room, i believe he actually was not in the room, but he is a member of nab j. eric deggans joins us now of

npr eric what is your response to what we just witnessed well, you know, unfortunately, a sort of unfolded the way i think a lot of critics of his appearance feared that it would unfold which is that he said a lot of things that were not true. >> he said a lot of things that were and salting. he said a lot of things that weren't necessarily answering the questions that he was asked. and it was very difficult to both keep him on track and also police all the things that he was saying i think donald trump is very much a chaos agent when it comes to in politics and when it comes to interviews with journalists. and you have to have a very specific and focused strategy for trying to break through that to actually get him to answer questions that you want to know the answers to. and i think

unfortunately, whatever strategy they had for trying to question him didn't get to what needed to happen, which was figure out how to sort of pin him down and challenge him when he says things that aren't true so unfortunately, i think it turned out the way a lot of critics of his appearance and we didn't learn as much as we hope we might learn. >> did you think there was some public value to his appearance? there especially as there are so many crucial questions that those interviewers did ask him about things that he has said about not only coming kamala harris, but members of the black community well, i mean, i do think that the idea of having him come to the convention was an important one. >> because as others have noted, the major party nominees are always invited to come

physically come to nab jay in an election, a presidential election year, because black journalists are often a direct conduit to black voters and to blacks citizens. and we may ask questions in a way that good at issues in a way that other journalists won't. and so it's important that these candidates visit the convention and speak with us directly but as i said before, donald trump isn't your average political candidate. today he requires a very specific and focused strategy. >> so i think the interview probably didn't unfold away. some of us would have hoped because when you ask a question, but then the answer doesn't relate to the question that you asked then. you're not really finding out the answer

to the issues that are really on your mind or that you really want, you that candidate to address. and i think there was a lot of that going on through this interview where a question would be asked and he would answer the question that he wanted to answer, which was not necessary. certainly, what people tried to ask him yeah, right out of the former president's playbook, we've seen him do that now for years let's go to daniel dale, who is tracking this moderated session, very closely because daniel, there were a number of things that the former president said that were controversial, but also some things that were just blatantly false specifically about immigration and abortion walk us through some of the misstatements, mistruths never really sure what to call them at this point. >> falsehoods that former president trump went through sure. so the controversial ness of the claims about vice president harris's identity will probably make the most headlines.

>> but i think it's important to note that his claims on that subject are also false. he said that vice president harris has only a turn black a couple of years ago and before that, she was only promoting her indian heritage. that is just not true. i'd quickly just via google and with the help of cnn's kfile team, andrew kaczynski and m. steck found multiple examples of her talking about her black identity going back decades, her biography on the official website of the san francisco district attorney page identified her as an african american can woman. i found an article in politico that quoted her talking about her black identity and speaking out against anti-black racism in 1989 as a law student so this is not some sort of sudden identity conversion that's just completely fictional. and then guys, it was just a laundry list of old trump false claims his claim that well he. said she didn't pass the bar exam. you address that? she passed on a second try that was admitted to the bar a year after she graduated law school. he talked about democrats allowing the death of babies after birth,

suggesting that there's some sort of post-birth abortion. again, not true illegal in every state. he said, everybody wanted roe v. wade overturn this issue, returned to the states? no, that's not true. through roe was overwhelmingly popular with about two-thirds of the american public. he talked again about foreign countries opening up prisons to send people here as migrants has never provided any proof of that, talked about people coming here from mental institutions over the border. again, provided no proof of that. and he exaggerated numbers even that could work for him. so talking about yes, has been a problem under president biden, vice president harris, he said, worst inflation in 58 years and then he said, actually over 100 years. well, it's not even the worst in 20 years right now. it's about 3%. and when it did hit a high under biden and harris in 2022, it was a 40 year high so he could just say we hit a 40 year high instead, he made a 58 and then 100 none of which is true yeah. >> not letting facts get in the way of a good story, which is frequently how former president trump does that. daniel, thank you so much for that.

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kamala harris and her racial identity and also, let's listen to this moment where he was asked about some of his allies talking about how she is a dei hire which is often seen as a racial slur let's listen to the moment do you believe that vice president kamala harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman. >> well, i can say no. i think it's maybe a little bit different, so i've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much and she was always of indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black so i don't know if she indian or she blast. >> he is always i know as a black eye our college. >> i respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because he was indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went she became a black participant clear so i

think somebody should look into that too, when you ask a continue in a very hostile, nasty town, it's all right. that was one of the host said there, she has always identified as a black woman and pointing out that she went to a historically black college this was i do want to read something thanks. bye natasha alford of the grio where she commented on on x. now twitter about it. she said kamala harris is a black woman and identifies a such she has said this multiple times in interviews. she also discussed how the local black community uplifted her indian mother and supported her as a child source. her memoir, she is also a south asian both identities can coexist the disinformation campaign behind her identity is an intentional one, but also curious to understand, if possible what he means by someone should look into it. is that like looking for barak obama's birth certificate like and what exactly does i think that is exactly what that yeah, that's odd. >> we want to go to arlette sines now, who is in houston? then where the vice president,

kamala harris is expected later today at a fundraising dinner. or lead, we got a response from the white house. they call these comments essentially ridiculous, saying that respect has to be put on the vice president's name what are you hearing in response to what we just saw from the former president well, boris, vice president kamala harris is currently on her way here to houston on air force one, where she will be speaking a bit later tonight. >> it's unclear whether she will formally address these comments from former president donald trump, but the venue that she is speaking at could be a fitting one for her to do so, harris will be speaking at the buy-in annual boule for sigma gamma rho. that is a black sorority that is part of the divine nine harris herself, of course, is also an alumni of a divine nine sorority, alpha alpha kappa alpha. now so far, the campaign it has not formally responded to trump's suggestions that harris turned black at some point. but the

view i'm told from harris aides is that the president's former president's comments at that nab j convention of further highlight why americans decided not to elect him in 2020. and they believe that he came across los angry and not showing leadership. now, as you mentioned, white house press secretary karine jean-pierre, she did respond in real real-time to these comments from trump. she personally called them repulsive, insulting, and said that no one has the right to tell someone how they identify that is likely something that we would hear from harrison does allies are going forward, but a bit later tonight she will be speaking here at that event in an effort to really try to mobilize a black female voters in this election of the divine nine is comprised of nine historically black sororities and fraternities. they do not endorse a political candidates, but they could act as a mobile rising force heading into november's election. now i also want to play for you a bit of what karine jean-pierre had to say a bit earlier today. take a listen person of color

as a black woman who is in this position that is standing before you at this podium behind this lectern, what he just said, what you just read out to me is pulsive. >> it's insulting and, you no one has any right to tell someone who they are, how they identify that is not what ones, right? >> it is someone's own decisions. >> it is i'll add this only she can speak to her experience only she can speak to what it's like she's the only person that can do that and i think it's insulting for anybody. it doesn't matter if it's a former leader, a former president it is insulting and we have to put she is the vice president of the united states, kamala harris.

>> we have to put some respect on her name period so some strong pushback there from white house press secretary karine jean-pierre, something certainly her allies will likely echo in the coming hours and we will see whether vice president kamala harris herself decides to take this head on in her speech tonight. >> we will be watching it closely for a response. arlette saenz, live from houston. thank you so much for that update. we want to go back to chicago to go to sara sidner, who was in the room for this moderated conversation. sara, as folks are leaving as you were talking to folks following what we saw, what did you to hear from people that watched all of this unfold if you come into a room where the majority of people in the room are black try to convince them that someone else who has gone to an hbcu who has pledged alpha kappa alpha, who has constantly talked about her

commitment to the black community to try to convince them that she's not black. >> that's a mistake. i mean, that is the conversation going on here. there was a gasp and then there was laughter and laughter mocking laughter, the kind of laughter than its uncomfortable for any candidate in a room. people were taken aback by, when you guys are talking about what he saw that about vice president kamala harris saying, oh, she's always grabbed onto her indian heritage, but she's suddenly become black. that is just a lie. that is not true, it is not something but anyone has seen during her entire career. i mean, let's remember that her career centered long before her career in politics started, long before a her becoming a vice president. there was something else though that we haven't yet talked about having quick picked up on yet when he was asked about vice president, his vice presidential pick, j.d vance. he was asked about some advances this is comments and if he thought that they were appropriate and whether or not he is happy with his pick. he evaded that question, but here's what he said about j.d.

vance think is worth noting. he said historically, the vice president in terms of election, does not have any impact. i mean, virtually no impact, virtually plea never has it mattered. he was talking about the person who he chose for vice president basically saying that it doesn't matter who's on the ticket. now in trump's case, that may well be true. we have people who have come here who are trump supporters are not i'm not a member of nab dj, who likes what he had to say and put all the blame when the democrats, but it is interesting to note that he has basically slammed his own vice president in this crowd, saying that really it doesn't matter who his vice president is we should also just talk about the tone and tenor of what happened here i don't think train wreck is too far to go. this went off the rails immediately with first question, which was a question that a lot of people had been asking at the conference. this is a person

they have seen go after black journalist saying negative things to black journal just about their questions, calling their questions dumb saying that they are stupid. and so there was a question as to why he should be trusted with his commitment to the black community. it was he valid question. the answer was never given, and it was really a moment where people could see that this choice of having donald trump here could turn out to be problematic, but he got 45 minutes. he talked for the whole time. he answered some questions and people sort of left here, honestly disappointed they were hoping to have a deeper conversation to hear what some of his answers were to some of the questions about policy they didn't really get that today he was trying to pivot at times to the economy, but he also kept coming back to his personal animus two, rachel scott of abc news, who asked that tough but exceedingly fair question right off the bat of

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lauren fox on capitol hill this following breaking news this afternoon, really controversial remarks from former president didn't donald trump at the national association of black journalists convention in chicago. he went after vice president kamala harris's ethnic makeup and her heritage. and so that somebody should look into her in his words, turning black we should note that his appearance at the convention is something that was controversial and a co-chair of the convention actually resigned before the event, even took place apparently, karen audio is unhappy with what unfold because she actually posted this soon after the session wraps, she wrote quote, i am so angry right now. nab j, this was a colossal mistake. i want to turn to shermichael singleton, who has been very patient with us, sticking through all afternoon. >> i'm quite a day right do you think do you think that

from any bj's perspective, this was a mistake? >> no. no, i don't think so. i mean, they're an organization that represents presents black journalists across the country. and i think they have an obligation because of their role to interview presidential candidates, individuals who want the highest, most powerful job in the country, arguably the well the world, if you're american, other countries might disagree with us on that and so i think it was important moment my analysis, you know, we talked earlier. i was pretty emotional because the racial stuff i always draw a line there that's just something where i just think no one should really go regardless of what ethnicity you are in terms of discussing the heritage of someone else so that's just something that i think is just you just don't go there on the policy front. i thought his comments about the cost of goods that was pretty good. i thought talking about how inflation generally speaking has impacted black people, the black community writ large is pretty good. if i was advising him around and you and i were talking about how he could have pivot there were moments we all

know who donald trump is. we noted donald trump doesn't really like to have questions. i get it. it's his personality. there are certain things about my personality, but i know i got to check sometimes even went on air and i've consciously reminded myself of that. but i would've said mr. president, when those questions are asked, you don't like them. you get a little off, a little bit. you're an entertainer. you can try from the audience, pivot and say, like, i don't really like the question, don't like the way it was phrased, but let me talk about what a lot of black americans are experiencing in terms of how the economy has impacted them. let me pivot and talk about this or that. and so i just think strategically speaking, there were a lot of moments that he could have used to his advantage, in part because of his background of being an entertainer i just don't think he did enough of. >> i wonder though, when you say there were some good moments about the economy when we watched the last debate. and i would talk to democratic donors and they would say but joe biden made some very good points on x ways, xyz and i would say, yeah, but i mean, it

just doesn't even matter because a lot it is eclipsed by something that ends up larger? and in this case, do you see whatever he said, just being eclipsed? by his temperament, which becomes just this again, just a central issue in this election. >> i think brianna, it depends on how you view this and by that, i mean, if you're a democrat, you're going to look at this and say see this was an s show that exist exactly why this guy can't return back to the white house. but if you're a republican and i've been texting folks, looking at some of the post on twitter and said this was a great moment. he talked about the economy on them he's not saying he does talk about the folks that maybe are on the fence, that he maybe doesn't have. and if this helps with that, so that's a great question you're right people on the left are going to be critical automatically. people on the right are going to praise automatically. so let's talk about that. 45% of folks in the middle, right? we know this is going to be a very close race. we know in 2020 are looking at 81,000 votes across it's just four states. and so

for the trump campaign, i'm looking at low propensity voters. i'm specifically looking at men and i'm looking at younger men b if you look at 20:16 against former secretary of state hillary clinton, the former president performed accepted personally well, had an 11 point advantage with men writ large that matter mathematically makes a difference across a national election. you fast forward to 2020, president biden was able to improve his odds. it was almost split evenly among men so if i'm looking at vice president harris's campaign, i know this is a weakness for her so if i'm looking at donald trump and i'm thinking you're improving somewhat. with young men of color, latinos, and black men. do i want to put my candidate in a predicament or a situation where you may potentially diminish the outreach to targeting the engagement to penetration of voters who fit in those categories. i personally had but i just would not advise that. but some may look at this differently as a strategist, as we await, kamala harris speaking later in houston how

do you think her campaign should respond? >> like, i don't want to necessarily hope my democratic friends boris but i got to go fill in the way i think she's going to respond. i was texting with my girlfriend. and based on some of flies to me, i think vice president harris is probably going to likely reply i similarly look, i think she'll come out strongly, fiercely. she's talking with a lot of black women. i believe tonight, i think they expect the vice president is show what we call in the black community her black girl magic and i think we're going to see a little bit of that tonight. i think though, generally speaking, if i'm advising trump, i want to just go back to this. i really, really want to focus and hone in my message on things that matter. i think if you get caught up in issues of race, republicans will never went on this. that they just will never went on this. there are a lot of black republicans who have tried to advise republican party for decades you need to be more open. you need to be more understanding. there needs to be some cultural awareness here in terms of

differences. some have been open to those suggestions, some have not been open to those suggestions. but there is decade's worth of skepticism from african americans about the republican party on this issue. so to me, knowing that this exists my thought process is, let's talk about the things where you may find some agreement where people who are different, this could have been such a great opportunity to do that and pivot in front of all of those black journalists and then going reports it. look, you know, trump didn't do well on this or that, but he has some great responses on tackling the economy has some great responses on the fact that about 40% of african americans work in low wage jobs. he presented a plan to help elevate that 49% those would have been exceptional moments for him. and i just think he didn't quite meet that mark. >> it does seem that some cultural understanding is the basis for which those other topics might be absorbed. and without it, you aren't able to get to that next step. we see that time and again shermichael. thank you. so

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we'll come to you, 808 to 14000 we're following breaking news in the middle east as fears of a full-blown regional war escalate, the world is watching for irans next move after the killing of hamas political chief ismail haniah in tehran hamas and iran are blaming israel and have vowed retaliation israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has remained quiet so far, but he did acknowledge that israel has delivered blows to enemies in the last few days and he has death marks. the second assassination in the region in fewer than 24 hours hezbollah is now confirming that one of its senior commanders was killed in a strike in beirut lebanon yesterday, which the idf has taken credit for. let's discuss with former israeli ambassador to the united states, michael oren. michael, thanks so much for being with us. i want to get your response. to the supreme leader in iran promising harsh punishment for the death of haniah. how and when does

israel expect iran to respond? >> to be with you boris, as you see, i'm doing a stint of reserve duty and i'm up on the northern border and amara braced it's almost 11:00 at night tonight, you see role in our uniforms and boots though it has been a quiet day so far, but it could be very well the quiet before the storm israel is prepared israel had to take a very essential response to the massacre of 12 children israeli children on the golan heights several days ago by his bulla that could not go onto published and the fact of matter is there has been a war here. there's been war here for ten months with hamas, with his mother firing 7,000 rockets and drones at israeli communities the up here and almost 100,000 israelis have been uprooted and displaced from their homes. so it's really an impossible situation just up the road yesterday. 28-year-old israeli near pupco was killed by a whose ball a rocket in his backyard michael

i noticed you didn't directly address the death of haniah into ron. i'm wondering what message you think it sends to iran that hamas is top political person was killed? in their borders again, israel hasn't taken responsibility for that, but i think there's been a message sent. >> nevertheless that any, any terrorist who kills tens, hundreds, and they our case more than 1,000 jews is going to pay a price for it no matter where he is located. and since hamas is fully backed by iran, it's also setting in an unequivocal message to the iranians themselves the way that he has been described by experts and by folks close to the situation is as a moderating force. >> he reportedly quote, saw the value in reaching a ceasefire deal for the palestinian armed group. and had pushed for

breakthroughs in ceasefire talks. that's according to the new york times. if he's been assassinated what does that do to the hostage and ceasefire negotiations well, as for the new york times ran an obituary of mr. hania today, they actually didn't use the word terror are mentioned the many, many hundreds of israelis he has massacred and in fact, the many hundreds of palestinians is massacred. >> it's an extraordinary act journalistic betrayal as far as i'm concerned, a new york times is not going to be a good and accurate source here. >> but let's say this, this man was a terrorist. >> he's a mass murderer. >> there's just no way you can sort of paint that over and make him into some type of peacemaker and whatever happened to him, certainly, he had it coming many, hundreds, if not thousands of times over. >> now, what does it mean for the negotiations for the hostages? of course, we're all desperate to get the hostages back. 111 hostages. not of course. all of them are alive, but whether alive or dead, were desperate to get them back. >> and the only proven that

means we've had of actually moving the needle with hamas is through ramping up military pressure and proving to hamas leaders that there is no escape from israel. and the only way they can get to a ceasefire is by releasing the hostages. and let's, let's be very frank about this is a party to this, and i have not heard not once i've not heard the hamas people say yes ambassador, i'm also wondering, as we heard from prime minister netanyahu today he sort of sent a tacit message to the united states, at least that's how some of our folks on that we were speaking to at the time interpreted it saying that israel will not bend to any outside pressure in the way that it conducts its war in gaza. as you know, there's been international condemnation over the deaths of civilians in gaza. i'm wondering what you think he was trying to tell the united states and how it might shape the response from the u.s. if there is a potential response from iran i think that

israel is a sovereign, independent country with very specific paths is facing a threats that are really not confronted by any country in the world where our national existence is literally being threatened we're now facing please, we don't want to change the government. they want to wipe us off the map and at the end of the day, israel has to make the decisions that are going to ensure not just our long-term security, but indeed our survival. i know from someone who was thought and gaza, you see, i've been in uniform in a uniform off and on for many, many years. >> israel goes to extraordinary lengths to minute it's meant to minimize civilian casualties, but we're dealing with an enemy and hamas who not only hides behind the civilian populations, hides under the civilian population, 400 miles of tunnels it's actually a combat situation that no army in history has ever confronted. >> and if you actually look at the amount of civilian casualties, even according to the hamas records. >> and you deduct the number of

terrorists who have been killed, and even the number of palestinians who die from natural causes. you're going to close to a one-to-one ratio, one combatant to every civilian deaths. every civilian death is a tragedy, is one death too many but to say that israel is causing civilian casualties in a rate that any other army has closed this is a quarter of the that was registered by the united states of combatants, civilian deaths in the wars in iraq and afghanistan about ambassador michael oren, we have to leave the conversation there. >> we appreciate your sharing your perspective with us thank you very much great. >> still ahead. the u.s. is leading the pack in total olympic metals and american swimming star katie ledecky's breaking records along the way, we'll take you live to paris in just moments that was i shall not seek and i will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your presence, 1968, sunday at nine

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guardian, five foot nine men not included i'm paula reid in washington and this is cnn love this can be as i could so good, right? breaking news from the olympics get excited. american swimming legend katie ledecky's just won gold in the 1,500 meter freestyle, marking her eighth olympic gold medal she's now tied for the most olympic gold medals ever by an american woman. >> let's go to cnn's coy why, who's live for us in paris accord. it's not just that she's dominance, that she's been dominant for some time yeah. >> about as long as we can remember at this point, right, boris and brianna, what first of all, welcome to palo brown yard. it is the original french stock exchange building but for these olympic game to see official team usa house for the games is for the first time ever, they're allowing fans to join in with the olympics bienz and former olympians to hope

party and celebrate team usa incredible energy here as they have just witnessed. >> one of the most dominant swimmers in the world twenty-seven-year-old katie ledecky, winning another olympic gold in the 1,500 meter free the world and olympic record holder has not lost a race. >> boris and brianna in this event more than 14 years. and she extensors streak here at the paris games she is now tied jenny thompson with eight career olympic gold medal, further cementing her herself as the greatest female swimmer of all time. >> this place absolutely erupted. it's a party here in paris. >> now. >> also, just coming through one of the cool things does after olympians, when a metal, they bring them through here to celebrate and we caught up with the women's rugby sevens team. they won the first ever metal for the us in the event there are more than just athletes though they have been inspiring an entire generation uplifting women and we caught up with ilona meyer. >> she's been really the champion for change when it comes to how we see women from

body image to to social norms. >> we caught up with her to ask her what this moment meant for her it's a win that first ever metal for rugby sevens for the u.s listen. >> i was just thinking about today, i was like, why me why me. >> and it's kind of a scary burden at times, but i'm excited to get to carry it. >> but just trying to stay grounded and i think it's why me is that i'm feel comfortable sharing myself and i hope that other people resonate with it. i think it's kind of like if you can see it, you can believe it. i get to see it every day with my teammates around me and i tapper nicole and they helped me to see it too, if i can just expect spread that to them, it's hard to be confident, it's hard to be that. but if you can see somebody else do it, maybe it'll help you inspiration of bound boris and brianna here at these olympic games in paris. >> go team usa, coy. thank you. so much for that. and the lead with jake tapper starts right now