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united states and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate it had you company and we do begin with the breaking news that three americans held prisoner in russia are now back on us soil. they were greeted, as you can see there by president biden and vice president harris when they arrived at joint base andrews in maryland, a short while ago it's all part of the biggest exchange of prisoners between the u.s. and russia since the end of the cold war for a complex arrangement involving 24 people in seven countries. marine veteran paul whelan and journalist evan gershkovich and alsu kurmasheva are among the 16 people set free by moscow in the deal president biden said the deal could never have happened without the strength and courage cooperation of us allies of his call for other countries i asked him to do some things you answer immediate self-interest very

difficult for me to to take germany of slovenia really came in at the last minute. >> and i tell you what chancellor was credit it was germany's agreement to release convicted assassin vadym classicals that apparently sealed the deal. >> russian president vladimir putin greeting him and seven others as they returned to moscow thursday, cnn's nada bashir is live this hour in london for us and not are we getting any more clarity on just how this all came together well, look, michael wiener, that this has taken months and months of intense diplomacy, painstaking negotiations. >> and as you mentioned, they're close dialogue and communication with international partners to try and secure this exchange, this historic exchange, what we are learning more details around the leadup to this, around the details of how this actually came to be. we know of course that just over a week ago,

president biden gave his address to the american people announcing that he was dropping out of the presidential race. and it was during that address that he said that his administration would continue to be working around the clock to secure the release of americans unjustly detained overseas. and now we are learning according to one official, that it was during that address that biden at the time knew that have released deal could be imminent, and i just days ahead of that address, president biden spoke with the prime minister of slovenia, one official describing this call as being be final puzzle piece, so to speak. make the cool focusing on a russian prisoner detained, held in slovenia's custody. that of course is said to have been at a crucial part of this exchange agreement as well as, of course, the exchange of russian prisoners held in the custody of germany. but again, this was very much a multinational effort. would the support of the u.s is international allies. we've

heard from president biden, of course, expressing his thanks to his international partners. we've heard from the leaders of turkey who have said they played a mediator role. of course, a crucial part in the actual logistical aspect of the exchange. but president biden also spoke with his counterparts yesterday. he spoke with the leaders germany, norway, poland at slovenia, and turkey. according to the white house, to give a personal thanks to those leaders for their involvement in this historic exchange agreement. and this is of course, a huge diplomatic feat. in the words of president joe biden. and this is something that his administration has been working towards for months, for years, even and this is of course a significant moment for the families of those americans that are have been released now back on american soil. but of course there are others who remain detained. we heard from the u.s. national security adviser, jake sullivan yesterday. he was quiet bushnell when he gave his statement, he spoke about the long row that this had been for

the biden administration, the close communications that would ministration had held and continues with those family members involved and effective. but also said he hoped that this would lay the groundwork for future agreements, as well as the biden administration will continue to focus on securing those future agreements while in office. so certainly a significant moment for the biden administration in a moment that he has taken to highlight the importance of significance since of those multinational relations and efforts. >> absolutely nada bashir in london, appreciate it. thanks so much now the aid russians now walking free include a former fsb colonel convicted of murder, as well as several alleged or convicted spies and cyber criminals and this isn't the first time vladimir putin's biggest prize and a prisoner swap is someone with blood on his hands. cnn's brian todd reports on a moscow tarmac, exuberant greetings from vladimir putin for

prisoners returning from abroad meanwhile secretary of state antony blinken was asked bluntly, today is the biden administration concern that russia gets a convicted murderer back in exchange for paul whelan, evan gershkovich, and other americans torres incredibly hard decisions as part of the swap, germany releases vadim krasikov, a 58-year-old former high-ranking russian intelligence operative, who committed a brazen act of violence in a prominent park in berlin in 2019 who executed someone in broad daylight? it's caught doing it and that's why germany didn't want to let him go krasikov was serving a life sentence for killing a former chechen fighter in that berlin park. >> putin made no secret of wanting krasikov back in an interview with tucker carlson in february, putin didn't mention krasikov name or the chechen but it was glowing about what krasikov did and insulted his victim. >> but i'll show you you could get that person do to patriotic

sentiments, eliminated a bandit in one of the european capitals for putin, getting these men back is part of his pledge to his whole security apparatus. the people who are keeping him in power, that if you get taken doing a job for me, i will get you out. >> indeed, several russian spies and hackers are among those released in this prisoner swap but in the most prominent swaps over the past couple of years putin's biggest prizes are men with serious blood on their hands krasikov and victor boot, nicknamed the merchant of death, a russian arms dealer traded for american basketball star brittney griner in 2022 following griner's imprisonment on cannabis charges, there was a lot of concern that releasing someone like that was completely disproportionate to release someone like that in exchange? for an american basketball player on a trumped up drug charge. >> victor boot cut a figure so legendary in the arms trafficking underworld that he's widely acknowledged as

the inspiration for nicholas cage's character in the movie, lord of war. >> the arms bizarre was guided missiles on guns mortars, minds, armored personnel carriers, whole tank divisions analysts say there was no weapon. >> victor boot wouldn't sell for the right price and to devastating effect, if you look at the wars that were directly impacted by his weapons deliveries, you can see they escalate directly in proportion to the amount of weapons arriving. so i would say certainly, you know, tens of thousands of people suffered, if not hundreds of thousands of people because of the weapons he was able to deliver what's in store for vadim krasikov back in russia, analysts save vladimir putin will probably make him into a hero and offer him opportunities that many the others wouldn't get. >> the possibilities are almost endless last year, victor boot entered russian politics and won a seat in a regional legislature. brian todd, cnn and washington let's bring in jill doherty, former cnn moscow bureau chief and current adjunct professor at georgetown

university obviously great news for many families jewel, but how good of a deal is this for vladimir putin getting back and assassin an fsb colonel who killed somebody in berlin in broad daylight and others as well. >> how good is that in return for giving up people who most people believe were wrongly imprisoned in the first place. >> well, in the eyes of vladimir putin, it makes lot of sense. i mean, he wanted them a krasikov, who is the person who is being held. he is a russian fsb operative who is an assassin and he was being held in prison in germany. and so prison really wanted him back. he had a fixation on getting him back and he did. and then he got back. other people who i think you could argue kind of are the face of russian foreign the policy right now, you know, people who are trying to break

sanctions, people who are carrying out hacking and other financial crimes et cetera. so he got people back and also the people that he let go, the russians that he let go. he considers i mean, there's no other word for it. craters, scum and let's let them go anyway is no respect him that trump said earlier, they see that vladimir putin would release evan gershkovich on day one of his presidency if he were reelected, why would putin do this deal now as opposed to wait to give trump an election gift? where, it. could, it, could it be the putin would've thought that the german chancellor would not help trump when it came to releasing a classic cough that is true the german chancellor is much more positively does predisposed to biden than he is to trump? there's no question and so that might be part of it. the other part is, you know, this

is a very complicated deal with a lot of moving parts and the timing could be that he simply putin's saw the timing coming together. he gets what he wants. this is an opportune time, and i also would add have, you know, when trump said, that that will only happen essentially on his watch right before he becomes president i can't imagine that putin likes that particularly being told, in essence, trump is saying, you're going to do what i want on my that's probably not not very smart yeah. >> what else can we potentially read into this with regard to putin? could it signal he might be open to other negotiations, perhaps on ukraine as diplomatic editor nic robertson suggests severely, what are you thinking you know, i'm not too sure that i would draw that conclusion i think this is very

specific, very transactional. >> putin wanted a certain person and others back. he gets rid of troublemakers even though the americans are useful, the russians are not as useful to him but i don't, i think ukraine is a different situation. it is more complicated and it is, i'd say it's the context of what is going on relations have very, very bad and a big part of that, of course, is ukraine. but i don't think it's really for tat or a good fit exactly to say because he did something on the hostage crisis that he's going to do something in ukraine you touched on this and i want to revisit it. i speak to the significance of the deal, including russian essentially, prisoners of conscience i mean, not just western citizens. as you said, putin said you know, good riddance, get them out of here. but the west involving them in

this deal, russian prisoners of conscience well, the west wants them because it's really a human rights issue. >> but putin doesn't care about that i think really putin saw these, them. let's say vladimir kara-murza, who is very risky affected in the west he's not that well well-known, but he is definitely respected. and ilia yashin, he's a political person. the in russia also not very well known, but in russia they are pretty well known. and respected. yeah, getting rid of them makes in a way makes things easier. i don't think that was as hard for him as it was to give up the americans because americans are really valuable and he's still, as we know, still holding americans, always good to talk to you, jill, thanks so

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now hamas military chief muhammad dave the israeli military says week when they receive new intelligence on his death confirming it cnn asked hamas do comment, but the militant group is yet to do so. these majors provided by the israel defense forces showed the strike on han eunice. it hit a designated humanitarian zone and it killed at least 90 palestinians. footage from the displacement camps showed bodies in the streets. the idf claimed it was a quote precise targeted strike on a compound i'm web desc was staying along with another commander whose death was confirmed earlier may while new information is emerging about the assassination of the political leader of hamas, a source familiar with the matter, saying that ismail hernia was not killed by a rocket strike. as previously reported by iran and mass, but rather bohm hidden in his room. cnn's jeremy diamond with the details two months before hamas's political leader, ismail haniah

traveled to the iranian capital, a bomb was planted in the guest house where he would eventually be staying. >> that bomb was planted two months before ismail haniah arrived in the iranian capital but and it was only once it was clear that haniah was inside that guest house in his bedroom, that that bomb was remotely detonated, killing not only haniah, but his bodyguard as well, and marking not only a remarkable clandestine operation, but also a stunning security failure for the iranian islamic revolutionary guard corps, the irgc, which was in charge of securing this guest house where haniyeh was staying. now, haniah was known to be staying in this guest house previously, which appears to be how this bomb was planted in the right location. and ultimately how he was killed. now israeli officials have neither confirmed nor denied israel's involvement in this, but i am told by the same

source familiar with the matter that israeli officials briefed us officials only after this assassination actually took place on the details of this operation iran and hamas of course, have it clear that they believed that israel was behind this assassination. initially, they said that it was a rocket that took out hamas's political leader. but this operation speaks to a far more complex, far more clandestine operation and a stunning breach of security for iranian officials in the wake of this iran is vowing retaliation. it is not clear what form that retaliation will take or when it will happen, but it is of course, just the latest in a string of events that if put this region increasingly on edge, increasingly on the brink of potentially an all-out regional war has, bulla, has also vowed to retaliate for the killing of its senior most military commander, fu'ad shukr which happened just hours before this assassination of

his ismail haniah. this string of killings is what the israeli prime minister has described as a crushing blows to israel's enemies. it is certainly adding to a picture of strategic tactical successes, at least for the israeli government, for the israeli military. but it is also putting this region increasingly on edge and putting israel and its citizens increasingly in the crosshairs of iran and its proxies jeremy diamond, cnn, haifa, israel yossi melman is an israeli journalist and author of every spy, a prince. he is in tel aviv and joins me now and thanks for doing so. and so in a matter of days, israel likely killed a senior hezbollah leader for chicago in an apartment in beirut, as well as the hamas military chief mohammed deif in gaza. could that combined embarrassment of losing top acolytes this way,

perhaps sparky ron into an even more severe reaction yes absolutely. that's what the iranian leaders are saying that this time the reaction, their response would be very hard and they are join clip planning a joint mission from various fronts from lebanon. use from yemen using the hoodie and maybe from iraq using brush shiite militias based in iraq and controlled by runs the killing thank hania, especially in the heart of tehran, is a blow to the morale, of iran and iran would not set will remain silent, right? iran is committed response obviously, as a hamas leader, haniyeh was seen as a valid target by

israel, but he was also seen by many as one of the more and if that's the right word, pragmatic, some said moderate leadership figures within the organization. >> what does his killing do to cease fire and hostage release negotiations as the qatari prime minister said, how serious can israel? be seen to be on ceasefire negotiations if they've assassinated one of the other side's chief negotiators well this is a good remark. >> i've mean, i wouldn't call an ei moderate only leaders of hamas our members of a terrorist organization and their division of labor between the political side and the military wing is artificially to a point it's true that honea was based in qatar and he was the go-between when between

the united states, egypt, israel on one hand, negotiating the prisoners and hostages swap with with the hamas leader, leadership in gaza. but it wasn't moderated old now there's a big question whether the policy of elimination and liquid they say it's the nation's is announcing the release of the hostages in an announcing the ceasefire. well, my my argument is that it doesn't it doesn't help at all. and that's a by the way, were the words of us president biden earlier yesterday. so this policy assassination is mostly based on gut feelings of revenge, and it is not combined with any other strategy. >> yeah, when i said pragmatic or moderate, i mean, within the context of hamas, i just want to be clear about that. if it was israel who took him out and all eyes certainly pointing that reaction does killing

honea suggest bibi netanyahu perhaps wants to widen rather than end the war in gaza, or perhaps provoke war with iran. and drag the u.s. into fighting something many think netanyahu has long wanted, and some in israel think might be the aim as well. >> well, there are many in israel, but the bubbly the united states at the, at the pentagon and at the state department and the white house who believed that indeed they israeli military and israeli political echelon, and above all prime minister netanyahu wants to drag the united states to bring in united states into the conflict and to bombay rank and to try to destroy iran's nuclear sites many, many israelis are critical of the policy conducted by netanyahu, which always, every time we reach a point in where there is

a good chance for a prisoner, hostages and a long-term ceasefire. is setting new conditions or new bragg condition. so these events are recently, the three aside, the two assassination because the hamas leader in gaza death was killed there are already a month ago death was confirmed so are these events are complicating and the situation and unbreaking the region into a closer to all out war with iran. hizballah and other players. it's a very tight rope, dangerous game that all sides are playing. >> when i read an article you wrote in haaretz and when we're talking about the things that israel's done with hezbollah and hamas leaders you wrote in haaretz, quote, the dock front of targeted killing has become an end in itself. how so

because it is not complemented by other measures that would make the ceasefire closer to that we will reach a ceasefire than it is not complemented by by other means and it's in a way it it's it's it's a reaction of frustrated leadership because they don't have but any other tools available to them and therefore, the targeted dealing is i think is counterproductive . >> i wouldn't i wouldn't object if the military commanders faced by-line hamas and even their political leaders are being eliminated as long as, as israelis will leverage to enhance the long-term ceasefire. and above all, release the hostages. we are now on day 301, since they

were taken into captivity and they israeli government is very stubborn and is saying, we will release him on them, but only, only under our conditions right. >> yossi melman in tel aviv appreciate you making the time. thank you so much. >> thank you and israel's military claims that one of algia journalists killed in a strike in gaza this week had worked for hamas and quote, participated in the october 7 attack on israel. >> but al-jazeera, pushing back, calling that accusation completely false. the network says israeli forces had in fact, already arrested 27-year-old reporter ismail al-ghoul early this year, but eventually let him go, weakening the argument he was a militant. israel's military did not allege that he held a direct combat role with hamas. they also didn't address the death of his cameraman in the same strike hi al-jazeera says

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andrews in maryland, marine veteran paul whelan and journalists evan gershkovich and alsu kurmasheva are among the 16 people set free by moscow. mr. biden dismissing the claim that making hills would encourage russia to take more prisoners i don't buy this idea that i can let you let these people rot in jail because what other people may be captured all notifications, all the other countries, all our citizens countries not to do it, to do what not to do. and they got to pay attention i got more work eight russians were also released, including convicted assassin vadym classical, who was in a german prison, russian president greeting him and others as they returned to moscow, negotiators have been working on a deal in secret for more than a year nigel gould-davies is a senior fellow for russia and eurasia

at the international institute for strategic studies. >> he joins me from london. appreciate you getting up early. i wonder. are you surprised at the breadth of this deal? just how many people and nations were involved? >> yes, it's a remarkable achievement. it's not only the numbers in the fall, as you say, the diplomatic complexity of it evolving. in particular, many countries on the western side, and it's quite clear that there's been a protracted a process of negotiations and discussions among western partners. in particular, between the united states and germany, which held by deem krasikov, who for putin was the key to such an agreement. but i think a larger part of this picture is how western wealth of how well the west has done twice as many people have been

allowed to leave russia as had been returned to it. that's a departure from the normal strict parity of a one for one exchange that russia usually insisted. >> yeah. yeah. very good point. i'm curious whether you think there in terms of how this was all unfolding, was the speed of gershkovich's trial and sentencing in retrospect, a clue that something was in the works because it was very quick i think that's absolutely right. the speed and secrecy of it. >> there are other signs as well. >> if one looks at the trials of some of the the russian nationals who have been part of this this exchange in recent weeks, some of those have been completed very quickly, and that's i think a further point just to note, it's not only western citizens in russian prisons who have been freed. its number of russian nationals

who were arrested and given severe punitive exemplary sentences for their anti-war activity and now the west, in effect has secured their release. they are abroad, they've been pushed into exile, but they are now free to continue. >> there yesterday. >> about the, about the war and about putin. >> that's actually a very significant point. the prisoners of conscience that is not normally involved in these sorts of things. putin said they welcome to go, but that's not normally the case. i wanted to ask you does does all of this raises an unusual question, perhaps if these people are returned to the west will they be safe there? we have seen the russians take out no shortage of opponents on foreign soil yeah yeah, that's a very, very good point. >> and recall that sergei skripal, who was a russian

intelligence officer or a double agent, involved in a swap in the previous decade he thought he was safe in his daughter lives the united kingdom and suffered a near fatal attack with nerve agent novichok in 2018. so the question that was raised at that time was, well, who will deal with russia again, if russia doesn't keep it the side of the bargain so we cannot assume that all of those that have been released are now free will be safe and i think will rightly be, be vigilant about that. their future. now. >> yeah, indeed, there is formed there when we look back there was a lot of criticism of the arms dealer viktor boot boot being swapped for the american basketball or brittney griner. people thought too much was given but again, when you look back, do you think that this whole plan goes back to

them that that was part of this wider longer-term plan that we saw come to fruition. on thursday. do you think it could have been that long in the works well, that was much more limited deal, of course, it was a one for one exchange. >> there were people then let's said that the united states should have insisted that poor whelan a marine imprisoned in russia should have been part of that agreement as well. he has now been released as a consequence of the latest at least as exchange. i think it goes back at least to sort of the aftermath of the arrest of alexei navalny the most prominent opposition leader who was arrested on returned to russia, having suffered a horrific, again, novichok nerve agent poisoning be allowed to leave the country had returned he sadly, tragically was killed

in prison early this year. that appeared to set the thing back what we've seen since then is a kind of a recovery or a knew all of the diplomacy around exchange in spite of his death. again, i think that the west has done very well in extracting as it were a high price in this bargain. the final point i think we just really interesting about this is what it tells us about putin so the west was patient. it conducted a protracted negotiation. it was firm and ultimately, again, it has produced an exchange that is very favorable overall to russia. and that what that tells us is that putin will make concessions if his negotiating partners are firm

and i think there are larger longer-term lessons to draw on that in dealing with russia, that, that's a very good point, very good point where we're out of time. i wish we had more nigel gould-davies in london. appreciate you getting up early. thank you. you so much thank you all right. time for a break here on the program. we will have more on the prisoner swap in just a moment, including what's next for the three us citizens now, back on american soil, do stay with us. we'll be right back. >> he's men looking out for on behind my back in hiding in lying about it with x amish boys. it's going to take a lot more our patients we have a baby. i am seriously done with this sunday at ten on tlc why do couples choose asleep numbers? smart bad? >> can it keep me warm when i'm cold? >> wait, no, i'm always hot. >> number. does that say 40% of

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emotional scenes at joint base andrews a short while ago is three us citizens arrived back on american soil land were reunited with families following the historic prisoner exchange between the us, right? >> i felt and five other countries, marine veteran paul whelan, who spent nearly six years in russian prisons, was the first stop the plane late on thursday night. he saluted before shaking hands with us president joe biden and vice president kamala harris. and then hugged his sister next was journalist evan gershkovich. he embraced the president and vice president before hugging his family's seem there with his sister there and then he told his wall street journal colleagues, i'm home and finally, russia, an american journalist alsu kurmasheva and ran to hug her two children and her husband. all three returnees are heading to brooke army medical center in san antonio, texas for examinations

and treatment as i get used to being back home. now, the prisoner swap has been described as the largest since the cold war, us president joe biden, calling a feat of diplomacy with negotiations playing out behind the scenes for more than a year matthew chance explains what it took to get all seven countries on board and make the swath happen this was their journey to freedom. evan gershkovich sentenced to 16 years for espionage, appearing at the outside world from a prison boss for being walked to a waiting plane he's followed by paul whelan, a former marine, also designated wrongfully detained by the us, and who spent the past six years in a russian prison and 14 others and free at last. when us official tells cnn this cia

played a critical role that go shooting the multinational deal. >> all hear happy birthday to you for president biden. >> this was what the unprecedented swap was all a bank reuniting families like that of alsu kurmasheva, a us russian journalist, whose daughter is turning 13. >> she's asked whose daughter? now, she gets celebrate with her mom and the family of kremlin critic vladimir kara kara-murza, sentenced to 25 years in russia for treason. is now also a free man it's a major coup for president biden and his influence with us allies, like slovenia, norway, and germany, who agreed to surrender convicted criminals from russia as part of the deal. this is just one of the russians given up by deem krasikov is an assassin convicted of a ruthless killing in the german capital his

employer's the fsb, the old kgb confirmed eight russian citizens in total were handed back, including convicted spies and cybercriminals, serving lengthy prison sentences in the u.s and elsewhere they returned, was made possible thanks to the systematic and targeted work of competent government agencies and fsb statement reads back in the u.s. there's overwhelming relief. innocent prisoners are finally free the kremlin is celebrating too putin personally welcoming swap russians back to moscow he's strategy of trading bargaining chips has again yielded results. >> but here's matthew chance, cnn london cnn senior national security analyst juliette kayyem joins us now good to see

you. >> juliette. i mean we've seen these joyous scenes at the airport, the return of these americans. i wonder, i asked you about the operation. were you surprised at the size of this exchange or all? i've had happened now, what do you think putin's calculus was in terms of agreeing to it and the timing of it the size of it was incredible. >> i think part of it was was you don't really see prisoner swaps, swaps like this outside of war time, you'll see lots and lots of dozens of people being exchanged. this was, this was very individualized. each person had a reason to be swapped. i mean, another war wasn't just a massive people. it was this putin wanted this, we wanted that another country wanted that. so that was unique of it. and then you could just figure that any of the parties that were involved with the negotiations some of them allies, some of them enemies if they it walked away every piece would have unraveled. so that's just a sophisticated diplomatic strategy that, that

is sort of unprecedented in modern times. >> as for putin's strategy right now, or what look, he's transactional. >> i mean, you everyone thinks, well, did he do it having to do with biden or trump? for calculating something about the american elections he got what he wanted at this moment, and he got a good deal i still think the united states, we've got a great deal. he got a very good deal as well. let's say everyone's happy and everyone is not perfectly happy is probably the sign of a good negotiation and so he took it at this time for i think political domestic purposes as well, right to the point you just mentioned there about getting a good deal is already a debate about the i don't know if the moral angle is the right way to phrase it. >> but doing a deal with the devil argument did grabbing foreigners as a ban i can chip pay off for putin strategically? or is this still just the reality of the geopolitical world in which we

live now it's just, it's just the reality at this sort of moralistic. >> i'm going to live in some fan fantasy world in which everyone behaves by rules or were not going to play in the mud if for the united this is ridiculous. we have negotiated for width terrorists before to get our citizens. we have negotiated with enemies like putin to get our citizens. of course, you can take a step back and say, well, what's his motivation now we know that he, he, he detains people unlawfully, unlike some of the people that he got out of prison in particular in germany, he got out of prison who were formerly convicted under the rule of law. these aren't equal swaps, but we, as we live in the world, that we have now, not the world roll that we wish existed the motivation may be for putin to continue to do this. on the other hand the united states

has been more aggressive than i've ever heard them about travel for american safety for americans in russia. if you are not there for a reason including journalism without now that might not and even protect you, just don't go now and that's going to hurt russia as well was active. >> that was my very next question. what else would you say about that? you agree with warnings too, by the u.s. to americans not to travel to russia at the moment. >> yes. right now, i wouldn't i mean, there'll be no reason to unless there's a maybe a diplomatic or state department reason. the united states has been very clear that they will putin will make up allegations. he will put you through phony courts and that the united states did really well today with the president who had strong ties with leaders who were willing to do him a favor. this couldn't have been easy for the german chancellor. this

these are, these are really bad people that they gave up two satisfy. i think the united states strong desire and that only gets done through the kind of, i think relationships that biden was able to forge over the course of his many, many decades in politics, i will say this, i, this idea that this is sort of another president could have done it, i think is belied by reality. we've never seen anything like this before and you get a sense of the phone calls that biden himself had been making, including ones he was making minutes before he decided he wasn't going to run again yeah. >> always great to get your analysis, juliette kayyem, thanks so much. >> thank you and thank you for watching on michael holmes, my friend and colleague kim brunhuber will have more on the historic prisoner exchange in just a few minutes. >> stick around for that there

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