them to investigate on the matter. if you hours before the electoral authorities reiterating there are claim that maduro, one with a 97% of the votes counted, he won with 51%. they say, but they haven't produced any single, single document and that's why, for example many countries in the region are still urging the authorities to clarify any issue by simply presenting the data that they have. this is something that the opposition has already done. they've presented about 22,000 ballot tallies that they have in their hands on a weapon i'm site. and by doing that, it will be very easy to compare and contrast. but it's not over yet. unfortunately and tomorrow boris, there will be more protests in caracas her story we will continue following steffano pozzebon live for us. thank you so much. we do have some new cnn reporting on the veepstakes around kamala harris will bring that to you when erin burnett outfront starts

>> fortson, just a moment. i'm boris sanchez in for wolf blitzer. thanks so much for joining us tonight already attacking this as harris makes history tonight, the first woman of color to lead a national ticket plus americans back on us soil about to head to their own home for the first time. tonight, i'll speak to an american who survived two years in a brutal prison abroad is advice to the americans, just-freed and an outfront exclusive, john hinckley junior, who tried to assassinate ronald reagan is now calling for an end to political violence and whose first interview since trump's intended assassination. >> let's go outfront good evening. >> i'm pamela brown in for erin burnett out front tonight, breaking news harris makes

history vice president kamala harris officially locking down the democratic party's nomination after securing the required number of delegates harris is now the first black woman and asian american to earn the top spot on a major political ticket? >> we are excited about the future, but we also know that we've got a lot of work to get there and we have a lot of work to do. it's good work. we like hard work and president biden is responding by posting online, one of the best decisions i've made was picking kamala harris as my vice president. now that she will be our party's nominee, i couldn't be prouder. let's win this. >> today's milestone comes as all eyes are now on who harris will pick as her running mate it is one of the most important decisions she will make leading up to the convention and biden is weighing in your frozen the vice president harris about her running mate you are fed up

like before what you qualities to the fight for what street? her work that well harris is expected to interview the finalists this weekend and then she's going to hit the road next week with her running mate visiting seven battleground states in just five days, starting with pennsylvania that brings us to one of the top contenders for harris as vp pick pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, who today came out swinging against the trump ticket j.d vance is a total phony baloney he is the most inorganic candidate. >> i think i have ever seen on the national stage. he doesn't know what he believes donald trump really has buyers remorse with his pick will clearly shapiro not holding back there as trump is already taking him on if she picks shapiro, she's

going to lose the palestinian vote and jay lee is outfront live right outside the white house and mj, you're learning some new details about the vp surge and what president biden thinks about the top vp contenders that's right. pam, as of tonight, we are told that the harris campaign actually doesn't have a set time or even day yet on when exactly they're going to unveil vice president harris is eventful. >> running mate, pick, as she heads into this pivotal weekend, where she is going to be interviewing her top contenders. and making that decision by the deadline of tuesday, because that is when she will have that first joint campaign event with her future running mate. but one person who has clearly been in the vice presidency here is president biden, though as you showed there, he was coy when reporters asked him, well, how have those discussions gone, but what we do know is what the president actually thinks about some of these top contenders that we have been reporting on.

we do know that one well-known favorite for president biden, according to pfizer's, is up pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, as one senior adviser, put it to me bluntly. the president is a big fan of shapiro's and given also pam, just that the president clearly sees pennsylvania as being one of the most important battleground states heading into november, just as it was in 2020, for some advisers here at the white house it's really impossible to imagine the president really up privately rooting for anybody. but shapiro that is anyone other than perhaps minnesota governor tim walz. and the most obvious reason as this adviser that i spoke with described to me is simply because he is just a blast and i want to use an event for us back in january to illustrate this point and illustrate why he is seen that way inside the white house, among some advisors, the president was in wisconsin for an infrastructure event, and walz happened to be one of the democratic elected officials that joined the president on

this day. the president's okay. at a brewery and then the group all migrated next door to a tap room where beers were flowing. and this advisor recall that walls was just having a great time and they said that that energy ended up being so infectious and that the president was in the best mood ever so much so that advisors joked at the time, should the governor be around? the president more so that he can be in a good mood all the time as he seems to be whenever he sends time with them. so again, we don't know what private discussions have taken place about this vp between the president and the vice president. but again, we do know that there are some personal favorites for president biden, right? >> mj lee, excellent reporting. thank you so much. outfront now, republican strategist, shermichael singleton and karen finney, former senior spokesperson for hillary clinton's campaigns. and hans nichols, political reporter for axios. hans, let's start with you because you have some new reporting that all of the signs and the tea leaves are pointing to harris picking josh shapiro

for bp what is the latest on what your sources are telling you? >> well, there is a logic and there's math involved in the idea that it's going to be josh shapiro and that is that you need those 19 electoral college votes from pennsylvania and you need someone who can deliver him. and josh shapiro sitting on a 61% approval rating. and so that's why there's seems to be this great groundswell of support for josh shapiro because they're saying he's the obvious choice now, hear the caveats and pam, you know, this as well as anyone, anyone that actually knows the decision has been made here is not necessarily talking to reporters. and the very fact that the president has, excuse me, the vice president has not spoken with many of the candidates, tells you that we're just in the middle of this process. so yes, logic would apply. that's going to be shapiro, but chemistry might matter more than qualifications. and that's why these interviews are so important for potential would be vice presidents, right? >> i mean, you can have all this data on paper, all the

vetting done, and then you interview, right? karen finney. i know that you've been in that process, right. and an interview change everything. how important is that that chemistry and just that intuition that, that harris might have when xi meets with her candidates yeah absolutely. i mean, i'm reminded four years ago, i was with a small group of people who via zoom were making the case to then vice president biden and his team for kamala harris to be his vice president. look, there are the considerations that can han's was talking about in terms of, you might look at, can they help deliver certain states are certain demographics. but at the same time that chemistry is the most important thing is that there's two things. the chemistry and the belief that is that person going to be a good governing partner? you're with me and with my style of leadership the second most important thing as we know is god forbid something should

happen. making sure that you believe that person would you ready to lead the country and so those are two of the biggest parts of this decision. vision. what you all the papers been gone through, all the data, all of that at the end of the day, it really does come down to your gut into the feeling that you have if someone is going to be the right governing partner before i get to use her, michael and i promise i well, i wanted to just go back to this point about vp picks and whether they have the home-state advantage. >> there have been five times since 1980 that a major party vp pick has failed to win their home state, paul ryan from wisconsin, been the most recent in 2012. so you do have to wonder when you look at that han's about whether is there too much important to be put on pennsylvania here and shapiro's ability to bring that home maybe i mean, that's like the fact that a stat that you just put up or powerful points and i'm sure that i don't know if tim walz bribe to producer to put that up.

>> now, those are all assure you that didn't happen. >> this was my idea we're joking. >> where do you get your idea is a brilliant idea. i meant to say and as a brilliant point, pam, thank you. >> i wasn't credited a conversation this this is the conversations everyone's having is like does it really matter. >> and i suspect that to karen's broader point, it's about governing. it's about finding a partner. it's not just about the next 90 days. of course, if you want to get to the governing and then you want to get to the partnership part. you got to women next 90 days. so it may be maybe in everyone's favor to beat a little near-sighted right now. but this is sort of when you look at the arc of kamala harris has career, what was she issues at attorney general, who were two people on our list, former state's attorney generals, right at the state level. and then as vice president, she served as a partner with the president some biden as same position that biden was in under joe under god. barack obama. and so she has a pretty good theory of the case of the kind of person that

she wants supporting her should she win more than 270 electoral college votes? and with that sort of tough math question, i'll toss it back to you guys because this is really though for the next 90, 95 days, it's about the math and we all know reporters are very bad at math. >> yes. i for one, i can speak for myself horrible i'm not going to kick it to use your michael on that note because there's a lot more focus on shapiro, right now. now, donald trump and his running mate, j.d. vance, are singling out shapiro. let me play what vance said today and how shapiro responded ms lot of talk is going to be this guy, josh shapiro from pennsylvania, who i've seen a couple of clips of him talking. >> he talks like barack obama. it's like it's like if i did try to do a really bad impression of brock obama, that's what it's what it would sound like is this guy, josh shapiro, bragg obama was probably our most gifted order of my time side. it's kind of a weird insults look i'll say this about j.d.

>> vance. it is real hard being honest with the american people when you're not being honest with yourself j.d vance is a total phony baloney what's your reaction? does it seem to you for michael that the vans trump ticket or a little bit worried about a shapiro i mean, like it's like if you're a box are going yeah, it's like if you're a box of going into the match and not necessarily worried you prepare for these things and you hope that mentally that you're ready to go the long route here. >> but i would say jd's point of governor shapiro not being barack obama who isn't incredible border intelligent man. one of the best presidents i think many americans would agree with certainly i'm on the conservative side of things, but he was somewhat of a moderate democrat. i think history will prove that to be true. josh shapiro is not brock obama. he's not the real mccoy as they say to use that phrase, but bullet pamela, i'm looking

at this differently as a a strategist here, right? that philadelphia inquirer resurface some old remarks from governor shapiro where he stated palestinians will not cannot co-exist peacefully. younger progressives are warning against choosing shapiro that will absolutely become a problem for the harris campaign in states like michigan, where they're going to need about 60% of the muslim population in order to carry that state, they have to be very careful here if they're going to try to maintain that 2020 biden coalition going forward into november and it's clear that progressives want someone else because of the issues going on between israel and hamas in gaza? >> so karen, to bring you in to shermichael's point, a vp pick is supposed to do no harm, right? we're seeing what's happening with j.d. vance. everything is being dug up. when he said in the past and everything. so what do you say to this for michael just mentioned? >> well look, this is why there is vetting process and what tends to happen. and remember donald trump's sort of

pooh-poohed, any sort of vetting process. but this is why there's a vetting process such that, you know, things can be on earth. i believe it's the kind of thing that you would then take governor shapiro and give him an opportunity to if you want if he chooses to apologize, i do believe it was an older comment of his and certainly the situation in the middle east has changed since he made those remarks. but again, this is why you have a process whereby you look at the pluses and minuses and you decide hi, is this something that from a strategic perspective, we can deal with if it does create problems or is it something that we believe is insurmountable? i think josh shapiro is. he's incredibly popular. people like him a lot. i think, particularly given that pennsylvania borders oh, that's not insignificant. >> and look at you're right. it's a do-no-harm situation, but average just bring it back to j.d. vance and just suggest

that does anybody really think that he should be president of anything anywhere ever and that reflects poorly on president on the former president for that collection fund. >> the word to you, shermichael i mean, look, i think vice president harris again is going to have to be careful here. >> republicans, if she does decide to go with governor shapiro will do a mountain of opposition research. i used to be an opposition researcher and they're going to run ads after ads for the next 90 plus days in states like michigan and other battery brown states where there's a significant muslim population of previous comments, maybe there's some of the comments he's forgotten about over the years they will dig those things up. they will resurface and they're going to target those young voters, those young progressives, which she absolutely needs in order to get across the finish line to that magic number of 270 all right, shermichael singleton and karen finney and hans nichols. it's a big weekend in veepstakes will be keeping an eye on all of that. thank you all so much and outfront up next, the americans from the historic prisoner swap are

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in san antonio, texas, and soon they will be headed back to their hometowns our jason carroll reports from manchester, michigan, home to former marine paul whelan i just say thank you to everybody. oh, thank you for all your prayers, your good wishes thanks for doing everything you did. you know it all? it all helped when she was finally able to set foot back on us soil, paul whelan. >> thank all those who worked so tirelessly to bring him home and reflected on what's next. now that he's a free man again, looking forward to seeing my family down here and just recuperating from five years, seven months, and five days of just absolute nonsense by the russian government. >> this is where he will be greeted with open arms. it's manchester, michigan population about 2000. were like many small towns in america. everyone seems to know everyone. it's where wheelen's parents lived. so when word got out, he was it's free. many

here felt like one of their own was coming home once i you really saw it in writing, i can to tear like i cried for them like you know, like what a relief what a relief leslie kirkland owns manchester diners. she says wheelen's parents are regulars. his picture posted outside yellow ribbons on trees and front end throughout town have been a symbol of his return. >> anybody that wants to politicize it is it doesn't matter. he's home who did who did we train for it? i don't care some were able to share their joy with wheelen's parents are ed and rosemary. >> they showed up at a church ice cream social thursday night, making it all that more special for people like brenda, my sono, and janice little. >> there were so many people talking to her and the look of relief on their faces was a citable and i'm so happy i congratulated them and told them how joyful the community

and he was that their son was coming all donna stock well organized the social at emanuel church and got word wheelen's might stop by. i was walking down the sidewalk in front of the church to plug-in up bouncy house and there they were walking towards me and i just what they went chills down my body and we hugged and i told them, you know, what, a moment on must have been. >> many in manchester are hoping whelan will make an appearance with his parents when he's ready. >> this community really wanted paul back really wanted him back for both the both the sake that paul could be back here in the united states. but for the family as well, if he happens to pay manchester diner visit, leslie kirklin will have a dish waiting. >> maybe our country fried steak and maybe some biscuits and gravy. and i will be hello hold came to a lot of folks

here, pamela wanting to give out a lot of hugs. but the one point that i think a lot of people here wanted to make is that this is just not just only about the wheelen's, it's about all of those families who endured throughout all of this and that it's not just a time for the wheelen's to be celebrating, but for all those families who can finally celebrate now that their loved ones are back home where they belong. pamela is absolutely home where they belong. >> jason carroll live in michigan. thank you and outfront now, matthew heats joins us. he's a former us marine corbeau from knoxville, tennessee, heath was wrongfully detained in venezuela for more than two years, accused of terrorism. he was released in 2022 as part of a prisoner swap or six americans were exchange for the two nephews of venezuelan president nicolas maduro mathew. thanks for coming on. we were just talking in the break before this how all of this simple he is really bringing back a lot of memories for you. all of those hometown

friends of paul whelan, you just saw that piece so happy to have them home hoping to see him soon. what does that moment feel like when you first step back into your own home town and your home hi pamela. >> thank you for having me on. >> we'll watch him. paul, come home is it reminds me of when i came home, my my small town through me and parade the outpouring of love and friendship from so many people. it's wonderful. it's a little overwhelming. i'm sure paula is feeling a little overwhelmed right now. but just from some much love and friendship that are, poor around from around the world to him right now when did it start to sink in for you that you were free and could go back to living your life you know it took a little over a year for me to really feel like i was at home. >> so i would encourage paul to take his time we're a little over a year. i mean, you experienced a lot of unimaginable things in prison were stripped naked,

electrocuted, you were threatened with rape. >> how much of your experience do you carry with you and your day to day, even now? well, a wrongful detention is it's not a problem that can be fixed. there's a before and there's an after. so this is something that you carry with you for the rest of your life but like anyone who has something negative, very negative happened to them i i choose to not allow that to define me. this isn't the only thing that's ever happened in my life, so i don't i don't base my identity on that. i'm a united states marine, paul whelan is a united states marine. we're in a brotherhood and what what did they teach us in the marine corps? just keep driving on and you certainly have done that with your own life. >> a special presidential envoy for hostage affairs, roger carstens help secure your release, as well as the release of gershkovich, whelan, and kurmasheva. and here he is with brittney griner, i believe we have a picture of that. you

actually spoke with carstens last night? what did he tell you about these newly freed americans well, ambassador carstens is a personal friend of mine, and he's an absolutely amazing person. >> his nicknames captain america. we speak often. we don't go into the details of the current trades just because it could jeopardize the actual trade until they're an american soil. we keep everything really quiet. but roger, roger said that everybody that was flying back was smiling and very happy we do know. >> i mean, it is so so positive and happy that we've got these americans back, right? that is certainly cause for celebration, but we do know there for other americans who are still wrongfully detained, including marc fogel and russia here's what his sister said about him being left behind speaking with erin last night it's been one of the most frustrating times of my life to

not be heard or taken seriously he's fallen multiple times. >> it's very cold where he is and there's lots of ice and things are just not going well for him what is your advice to her and mark and to the others who were are held in wrongfully detained and their families well, i'd like to say to them, to all the families and to all the detainees out there, that you can trust that i know the process is difficult. i personally can say it's very difficult to go through but you have roger carstens working on this and there's nobody in the world that i would rather have working these issues my advice to the families specifically is it is critical that your family member is designated as a wrongful detainee under the

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acting director ron rowe provided much more detailed today about some of the breakdowns here. and one of the major breakdowns here was communications and what ron rowe revealed today was that the radio communications seemed pretty scattered. some people were using the radio, some people were using text messages, some people were making phone calls. and the problem here, pamela what we learned today was that there were basically two command posts. there was a single command posts where the local law enforcement was. they called that the unified command post, but there was another room, the security room where the secret service at a pennsylvania state trooper were stationed. those two rooms were not on the same radios, so they weren't hearing in real time. that local law enforcement was looking for that suspect. and what we know is that that is critical because there was a radio transmission that went out about 30 seconds before the shooting, but that was on the local radio channel that information never got to the secret service, and that information was critical because that's when local law enforcement realized that man had a gun. so that was critical

information that never made its way to the secret service because they were not on the same radio. we also learned today, pamela, that that rally was the first time that secret service snipers were accompanying former president trump to a rally like that. and then finally, pamela, there's a big question about experience and accountability here. and director roe made very clear that no one's going to be disciplined or placed on administrative leave until after these investigations are finished and only upon information that warrants being either on administrative leave or discipline, are holmes lybrand asked more specifically about the experience of the pittsburgh field office, and that's really critical the goal pamela, because as you know having covered the secret service and covered the white house, that those events are run by the local field offices we asked today with the experience of that field office, was it's difficult for them they feel like they let their colleagues down. >> they feel like they let the country down it's an open

wound that they're carrying there are very experienced office and what i will say is they are cooperating with the mission assurance. they understand the gravity of this situation and they are definitely definitely down right now many more questions to answer, pamela, we will keep on it back to you. i know you will. whitney wild. thank you so much and tonight and outfront exclusive, erin burnett spoke with john hinckley junior. he's the man who attempted to assassinate president wrong donald reagan. this is sink li's first interview since a man shot and tried to assassinate former president trump. and tonight he is calling for an end to political violence. here is aaron with more on that message and hinckley story starting when he shocked the nation and clearly changed the course of american history how ugly shot reagan as he left a washington

hotel in 19811 of the bullets he fired punctured reagan's long and lodged just an inch from his heart. >> he also seriously wounded white house press secretary james brady, who was partially paralyzed and eventually died as a result of his injuries metropolitan police officer thomas delahanty and secret service agent tim mccarthy were also shot. now a jury acquitted hinckley by reason of insanity but he spent 34 years as an inpatient at if a psychiatric hospital. he was released in 2016 and doctors at the time said he had recovered from mental illness two years ago. all court restrictions against him were lifted. and john hinckley, junior joins me now, john. it's fascinating to speak to you tonight. after thomas matthew crooks shot tom, you spoke out, you posted on social media, you said violence is not the way to go. give peace a chance. why do you feel the need to speak out well, erin, i feel the need to speak out because this country is just a really bad place right

now. >> there's so much violence so many guns and it's just really fraught time right now in america. and i wanted to do speak out is someone who knows a little bit about what happened because of what happened to me in 1981 i wanted to speak to the american public and just tell people to please try and reject violence and bring peace and love into their life i know you have expressed remorse for trying to kill president reagan, but of course it is surprising and uncomfortable for many people to hear you even now, commenting on the assassination attempt on trump, who are you hoping to reach most? >> with your message? >> just anyone and everyone who is out there in it's going through hard times back in 1981, i was going through really hard times. and of

course always thinks it turned out differently but if i can reach people who are struggling in their lives and maybe, maybe looking for the right way to go. i'm just here to tell you the please please go the right path and reject violence in just trying love your neighbor and love yourself. >> trump was the first us president to be the target of an assassination attempt since you tried to kill reagan, that was 43 years ago. so what did you first think when you heard trump had been shot? >> well, i was really sad. i wish it hadn't happened. i just felt a sense of sadness. it happened again after 43 years but i just truly wish it had not happened in you know god bless the people who were injured. and of course, the man who lost his life bless them. and i'm overall, i just felt a

sense of sadness you i know continue to take medication, anti-psychotic drug and antidepressant. >> and you've said you're no longer a danger to society why do you believe that well, i've demonstrated it for many years now. >> i've been i've been a free man since 2016 when i got my released from the hospital and day after day, i approved that. i'm not a dangerous man. i live a peaceful life and trying to contribute to society in a positive way and we have a film coming out, a document, documentary of my life there'll be coming out august 30 i'm hoping people will watch the because it shows my the way that the way that i live now in how i'm trying to move forward with my music and my arm so let me ask you about that. >> that documentary is upcoming. of course it focuses on what you're doing now and

your life. and also on what led to the attempted assassination of reagan. also talks about your attempts now to overcome mental illness, to pursue a career in music, and the life that you live with your cat. let me play a clip of it i feel terrible that i've shot four people. >> yes. i have tremendous remorse and what i did. i don't have to dwell on it, but i do have tremendous remorse for what i did in 1981 when you were granted an unconditional release and all the restrictions were lifted on your movement, on your speech, on your life patti davis, ronald reagan's daughter, wrote this. i'm sure you've seen it. i want to read it. she writes. now, there is another fear that the man who wielded that gun and almost got his wish of assassinating the president could decide to contact to me there is no manual for how to deal with something like this. you just have to live with the fear and the anger and the darkness that one person keeps bringing into your life. does it impact you to know that it is you who

bring this fear and darkness to her well, i mean, i have no no patti davis, she has nothing to worry from me. >> it is i have no interest in patti davis, to be honest. but yeah, i wish i mean, i'm trying to bring a sense of light to the world today. i'm trying to bring a positive message out now with my music and my heart said, music is central to your life. now, you've brought it up now twice, and i know you play the guitar. you have an album, but there are also times you can't perform because of your name and your past, your history, the threats you receive how do you think about what the rest of your life will look like? >> i hope i can start performing in venues. i've been i've been blocked from many venues from performing. they booked me into the venue and then the venue starts getting

backlash. and then the owner of the venule cancels. this has happened about 12 or 15 times. some hoping very soon i can start performing in venues keep putting songs out there and hope that people can hear my songs and hear my message of peace and living in a nonviolent way and so you hope for a redemption? yes, i do my tour. my tour. if i if i ever get this tour going, is going to be called a redemption tour. >> well, john, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight thank you. >> era and outfront next, trump's election interference case tonight is back with the judge who wanted the case to go to a trial to a jury before the election, will she get her way? >> and other much lighter note, harris, his rise to the top the ticket has given rise to a new generation of comedians then

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lower courts of its opinion in this case and is giving their opinion down to the appeals court to hand back to judge chutkin only one court at a time is a lot to be handling the case. >> and so we had to wait for this procedurally to happen before judge chutkan could take things up again? and move things closer to a trial. now, we should be really clear. there is no trial on the calendar and no no trial is expected at all before the election because there's so much work that's going to need to be done in the coming days. we are expecting, judge chutkan to say what she wants to do. she could ask both sides aides to come in and tell them what they think should happen next. and then we could be seeing deadlines. we could be seeing hearings. we could even be seeing things like witness testimony from mike pence or others who have some sort of things to say about the presidential immunity decision that the supreme court has made aid and about whether donald

trump was working in some way in his official capacity as the president. so there's a lot of work to be done. this case isn't dead. it is going to be going forward, but there's much to be seen and the weeks ahead, pam. >> all right. katelyn polantz, i know you'll keep us updated on that and outfront now, ryan goodman, co-editor in chief of just security and former special counsel and the defense department brian, thanks for coming on. so you just heard kaitlan kind of lay it a lot that judge chutkan has a reputation for moving fast. i mean, that was something brought up right by the supreme court and its opinion on immunity realistically do you think this case will ultimately go to trial? and if so, when i think the only prospect of the case going to trial is sometime next year. >> so the when an if is dependent upon if donald trump is reelected, if he is, then trial will basically stop even though justice department has ay kind of terminal trial. while

they're president. so i think that's definitely off the table under that situation even if there is no trial before the election, right? >> and it seems as though it's just not going to happen. there could still be a political impact if there are, say and evidence hearing right? given the key evidence of witnesses that could come from it, do you expect that to happen that's the that's the million-dollar question in a certain sense, the big decision point for judge chutkan and for the department of justice's. >> do they have an evidentiary hearing in which witnesses are brought in and then those could indeed be people who the american public have not really heard from mike pence. mike pence did not testify before congress and the january 6 committee and there's a very good argument for the justice department and say, this is what the supreme court called for an evidentiary inquiry to try to look at their legal test and then apply it to the facts of the communications with mike pence so there's every reason to expect that might happen. but judge chutkan could say, i want to just hear them on the papers. we don't need any

hearings and we don't need witnesses. >> and doj could tell it looks too much like political interference before an election. i mean, there's all kinds of variables there, ryan goodman. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> outfront next meet the comedian who is taking the internet by storm after perfecting the kamala harris laugh let me try we got cash

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tonight comedian maya rudolph will be back on saturday night live as vice president and now presidential nominee, kamala harris. and rudolph is not the only comedian who has capitalizing on harris's rise. elizabeth wagmeister is outfront vice president kamala harris is ready to get to work, rocketing to the top of the democratic presidential ticket? yes, you may clap not necessarily a laughing matter. it's become law now unless you're a comedian like allison reese, their stuff, i'm hilarious her impressions of harris have lit up social media a few, getting millions of views. we did it joe restarted impersonating harris back in 2019 sorry, time president joe

biden's sudden end of his campaign and hand off to harris has boosted the la base comedians platform. >> it was like a cartoon with my jaw on the floor for a good like three minutes and just like in shock, it's go time. let's do this. let's make content, give us the breakdown of what makes a good camila and oppression with a laugh, you got to start off like it's a big energy and then you really said like that. but then also you got to get the cadence okay. and let me be clear. let me be clear. >> the cadence okay. so important that harris herself has said she likes impressions of her mr. vice president, i'm speaking namely from snl's maya rudolph i grew up watching saturday night live. yeah. so the thought that anyone would be it any way depicting me on saturday night live was just i was a bit overwhelmed. harris's pop culture relevance

has exploded in the last, largely thanks to viral memes pop star charli xcx gave the vice president the ultimate effortless pool girls stamp of approval by posting just three words on x, camila is brat a play on the singer's latest album, which propelled harris into the gen z conversation. >> if a pop culture stuff gets a little silly, like could i have some downsides but that's also what movements are about. there are creators, their artists, there are people who write songs so that is all left to them and she'll do what she does best, which is let's just say, if you elect me here's what i'm going to do. >> well, let me just tell you something. >> i have my mother's last harris making no apologies for her style don't be confined to other people's perception strategist point to pass pop culture success in pushing harris to lean into the moment. what's your message for her? >> camila, if you're watching

please let me introduce you at the dnc i, mean it is so spot on wow elizabeth. so allison, recent media and you profiled i mean, it just it's incredible. i mean, but impersonating kamala harris has also taken on a deeper meaning for her. tell us about that it has when i was sitting with her and when i wasn't cracking up, she was telling me that the reason why she wants to in-person snake kamala harris, is not just for entertainment value. >> she also wants to put a spotlight on her. allison told me that she is a queer black woman and to see kamala harris be in the position shouldn't that she is in as vice president and now likely running for president. she said it has a profound impact on her right, elizabeth wagmeister sure. thank you. and thanks for watching ac360 start now, have a great weekend