last year that showcased the most populous states are republican states. people are leaving new york, california for texas, tennessee, north carolina, south carolina, and florida. i think that's something we should note. >> that's one way drives on the u-haul or just shutting the ones we don't want okay. >> kudos to olympic sprinter and gold medal winner no, alive as he was approaching the finish line, he wasn't sure it was going to win. so we said to himself, i'm going to lean in first, even though two of his competitors, their feet went over the line first. so it just shows no matter what you're doing in life lean in you know, that well a real hot take would have been that he should a lost because his foot wasn't olympics. the rule is hudaydah. >> and i think it's the real scale to be able to do that at exactly the right moment. he knew order to pull out the win, everyone. thank you so much and thank you for watching

newsnight stated the race. laura coates live starts right now the suspense, terrible. he's gonna be hoping a lie. >> well, no one wants this suspense to last and thankfully, it's all about to end as we get ready to learn vice president kamala harris are going to pick to be you her running mate tonight on laura coates live all right, the political game of guess who, vp edition ends in just a few hours from now. and as of now, it to me a question for the vice president kamala harris is does your running mate wear glasses every parent right now is laughing at home, but sources tell cnn the focus is on two governors, josh shapiro of pennsylvania and tim waltz of my home state of minnesota

but isn't there always a but we're told you cannot rule out senator mark kelly, which is why he's still on that screen, or maybe even a surprise from the rest of the shortlist. shapiro for his part team seems totally unfazed by the chances that his life could soon change with a single call. here he is shooting who for the son, i outside it was home today but maybe instead of playing the shooting game, of course they're playing the game white house now, depending on who you ask the vp choice has massive consequences for her chances. or it may not matter much at all. got to love politics with that respect. i say that history could be a bit of a guide here. the thinking is that she has to pick someone like shapiro to deliver a critical swing state like pennsylvania. well, in 2012, there was a lot of emphasis on mitt romney's choice of paul ryan from wisconsin, helped him carry that, stayed in new york times on that selection. >> republican since hope the bp announcement would start the race, a new as well as helped

make mr. ryan state of wisconsin more competitive while the romney ryan ticket lost wisconsin and eventually the election further back to 2004, you remember john kerry went with north carolina's john edwards a number of reasons for that particular pick. but among them as to thinking of that, edwards would help democrats. finally, win for carolina. the new york times from matt announcement, the addition of mr. edwards would put north carolina into play and bolster mr. carries bid and other southern states that also did not happen. you get the point. i'm making best late electoral plan sometimes do not work out. the hometown kid does not always guarantee electoral votes. you still have to campaign, which is part of what's good about democracy, right? >> and while democrats have been jockeying and pushing for one pick or the other, there are plenty of others in the party who think anyone on that list will do the trick i mean, just listen to how former

speaker nancy pelosi put it tonight on cnn i said, any one of them would have made a great vice president. >> but only she would be able to judge who she had the best you have politico. now, i think they're all great and new ever she takes on for with me now, wall street journal reporter annie linskey, democratic strategist and former obama campaign adviser, a major cross and editor of the national review and columnist for the washington post, ramesh ponnuru. >> he's everyone's hearing right now with me. all right? >> the veepstakes continues from the trump ticket to now we are less than 24 hours away. >> there's been no leaks surprisingly yet to actually announce to it's going to be although everyone thinks philadelphia means shapiro, of course, philadelphia has other significance in american history as a sight of doing so. what will be the final factors that you thank harris's team is going to be weighing right now. >> yeah. i mean, this has been

such a condensed process like i can't even really i just was doing the math today for story and it's been 15 days since kamala harris became the presumptive nominee of 15 years that's gonna be live but so imagine that 15 days after knowing who is going to be the nominee, you're not going to have a vice presidential pick is really shocking to me. but look, i think in terms of the final thoughts that go into it, i mean, it's very much a gut check and that's what every sort of when you read any sort of biography of any president, there's always a chapter about the vp pick and it's really these are people who are going to have to govern together. they are on a ticket together. this is the one person the president cannot fire. so you do have to have some sense of compatibility. so in my set, my sense here is that it's got to be kind of a gut check that this is a person we've had a face-to-face interview with harris is a face-to-face

interview with with all three of these people on your on your list? and they sat down and it's the most important job interview of your life. and so i think it's the gut check that happens in that moment. >> i'm glad you mentioned the word govern because everyone's talking about hooking hop, you win the ticket but then they have to govern. and i think a lot of tribes are going to look and see whether they are simpatico on a number of issues. and in particular, one thing i know, i made sure you and have talked about is that philosophy ought to be, do no harm. you don't want to come at this very late stage to your point and have some skeleton in the closet or something that you cannot undo because you only have a few weeks before the dnc and what less than 90 what, two days until the actual election compare that to say j.d. vance, who you see on this ticket who might be the best-case for doing no harm? >> absolutely. first of all, the democratic bench does not have anyone near j.d. vance. and in terms of problematic but i do think somebody who's the best on the list in terms of day one it the last three that we've heard of walz shapiro,

the senator from arizona, mark kelly, all of them are amazing people. i think that from a political perspective and acknowledging that relationship matters in this the person who she has known the longest is shapiro, the person who has also shared in a similar history when it comes to being a former ag is shapiro, the person who has been known to not only reach across the aisle, but also bringing in some of the expansion folks that she's looking to talk to that have long left the democratic party when you talk about those working class voters and things like that, specifically, some of the white male vote that's probably going to be shapiro. but i think that when it comes to being ready on day one, when it comes to understanding some of the crises moments that you will have to reach. we saw shapiro jumped into action because he had two after that assassination attempt on donald trump he stepped up and he stepped up big time. i think that when you have someone who is able to showcase that in real-time reaction, they can be that unifier that's going to make a difference as well. >> you know, this quite well, and that obama was consulted and when shapiro actually first

endorsed obama back away, i think 2007, he was a member of the house at that time. obama was able to carry that state by ten points in pennsylvania has been a huge coup for anyone who is able to get it. it's gone back and forth a little bit. when you're looking at the fact that they've consulted with obama, there obs thinking about electoral count how do the republicans pivot according to who they might choose? because the point, all three are different routes but may lead to the same conclusion so normally what you have is the opposition party has spent a lot of time defining the presidential candidate and then turns to the vice presidential candidate to magnify some elements of the critique of the presidential candidate. >> or there's some special vulnerabilities advice presidential candidate, this is a totally different situation because republicans spent all their time defining the previous presidential candidate and haven't yet really defined the current presidential candidate. so it may be

depending on who they pick and depending on what particular vulnerabilities the vice presidential pick has, that you don't spend a lot of time on that person you know, speaking of biden obviously, i mentioned that 15 days last 15 years, it's about like, i mean, this has been a whirlwind for the last month. and one of the questions that had been lingering was just how influential former speaker pelosi was in this pressure campaign for biden behind the scenes to step down. listen to what she told my friend dana bash know i had nothing to do with that if you ask them, is almost insulting to them because they are formidable figures in the congress of the united states they make their own judgment and their own studies books into president biden, since he dropped out, they'll have. >> do you hope to guess when i hope to yeah. >> we're all visit is everything okay with your relationship? >> you'd have to ask him, but i hope look, that's my answer. >> everything's out okay with

me on my friend. i mean, i just mean, if you have to ask her or him how i feel about you in the moment, there's something going on read the tea leaves for me. she's a very precise woman. >> she's very precise and i think dana did a masterful job in that interview because they're very much for two sections of the interview. and in the first section speaker pelosi, as speaker emerita pelosi gave the politic answer if she had nothing to do with what happened, did nothing to do with all her top allies came out one by one by one against the president, but saying that he should drop out, but no, no, no, she had nothing to do. then the second part, she did sort of show her cards a little bit and saying that oh, my goodness, the two of them haven't spoken it all. and in fact, i was really struck by, um, sheila jackson lee is funeral memorial service where pelosi, when on a different day? then president biden, they did not even overlap at that sort of event. >> i wonder if that was coincidental or just scheduling

happens, but it happens anytime but you there is back to my point about philadelphia and i know everyone's saying it's got to be philadelphia. it's got to be i actually josh shapiro again, i go back to the fact that the significance of philadelphia it's not a guarantee, it's not gets butte, montana and they say, oh, we'll have a montana governor has sort lists. it's philadelphia, a place where most people have gone to make some sort of speech even if the swing state, i mean, philadelphia things, they are estate, you're right you're correct. thank you very much. let me ask you about this counterprogram and it's happening. the trump-vance campaign is going to be holding a rally. guess where philadelphia ramesh, though campaign this week it tomorrow. and also in the same cities, overlapping at some point in time with the harris-vance campaign that's a pretty big risk because there is a thought that he might be rashada. they're not going to focus on him. he's sort of 15 days old news. >> i think that is a risk that they're prepared to take and vance being overshadowed is not

the worst thing that could happen tu for that matter, or the worst thing that husband up and what could really references, right now, the vice presidential nominee is supposed to be in a supporting role and to the extent that the vice presidential nominee is the controversy as opposed to somebody who's taking you know, who's taking incoming and shielding the nominee. >> that's a problem well, for a ticket, let me ask you about this. i mean, i want to see a debate. >> i know we all want to see a debate between vice president harris and former president trump. he is saying he wants fox news. they're supposed to do with abc. we of course remember the nabj moderator isn't abc news reporter. we saw the way in which he treated her. you were actually at that event as well and gave us a good behind the scenes what was going on there will they ultimately debate? and if harris chooses not to go to fox or trump says not to go to abc, is that it? >> so i don't think that they will ultimately debate because i don't think it really wants to debate her. he is setting a stage at what he considers a friendly place a place that has

been, you know, just wanting to the bauer kamala harris for a very long time. we've seen we've all seen the commentary on boxes that relates to vice president harris, and this has been happening since she was declared vice president. it has been sexist, has been racist, it has been in the mud. they cannot wait to have her in that space. what i think that trump will do because he doesn't want to have a neutral audience what are a neutral party be a part of the conversation. he also wants to have a live audience. he wants to treat this like a trump rally that was the second part of him wanting to have it at fox because as you can recall, when him and biden originally agreed on the terms, it was host moderators and the nominee for either side. if we remember, no live audience, it was never supposed to be a live audience. the second debate wasn't to have one either. what abc has said is that they're going to have that space, whether trump shows up or not. so i do think it's a great opportunity for kamala harris to answer the questions even if trump is not there, he doesn't i want to have a ground that is one that will fact check him. he knows that kamala harris will do it in real time. he also does not

want to have a host that we'll do it in real time. i think that that is a problem for him and his campaign, acknowledging that the traction that kamala harris has been able to pick up in less than two weeks, has been astronomical. we've never seen anything like this before, not only organizing, but also with fundraising. he also know she's a really strong debater. he has always somebody who's run on vengeance. he's always someone who's run on bullying. he could walk up behind hillary clinton and do that weird thing that he did when they were debating. he cannot do that to kamala harris and he's afraid, well, if you're saying that we will come back to all of you in a moment because it's think i'm thinking if she were to show up for this debate and he's not there, i just don't want to clint eastwood empty chair. moment. i guy we've already seen that were looked like hope was someone who was in advance is going to happen standby, everyone, please. we've got breaking news tonight, a new forecast is out from the national hurricane center as tropical storm debby is threatening the southeast with catastrophic flooding this one was already linked to at least five deaths i want to

bring in cnn's chad myers at the cnn weather center. chad, what does this forecast show well, it shows right now that a tornado just went over kiawah island, south carolina and more storms are in the atlantic ocean trying to get to charleston so this is a major event for tonight. >> yes, it doesn't look like much on the satellite, but he 45 mile per hour storm, it will get back into the atlantic ocean, gain a little bit more strength before it gets up toward the grand strand and into parts of north carolina so we still have a storm on our hands. we still have tornadoes that will be on the ground tonight. you would need to have a way to get those warnings if you weren't in the low country here, because that one that just went over q was a pretty good storm. it was a fairly large we saw the damage on the radar because the radar can see pieces of buildings and shingles and trees and leaves that shouldn't be in the air and they were there. there. is that tornado warning right there getting up toward charleston again? and keep your

eye on the ball. charleston, look at all of this rain everywhere that has purple. was ten inches of rain or more. and even sarasota, the official reading there over a foot of rain. and in spots across parts of the carolinas, it is still raining temperatures. we're in the 80s and 90s during the day and all of a sudden the wind came through and chief won't had a 76 mile per hour wind and even my old adopted hometown garland had 55 miles per hour. there was a lot of flooding across parts of florida earlier. now, those flood warnings have moved into the georgia and the carolinas do not drive around at night there's water on the roadways. you don't know how deep it is. this is still a dangerous storm, even tropical storm or hurricane cat 12 or three. this is a dangerous storm tonight floor don't underestimate it. chad myers. thank you so much, everyone, please stay safe while donald trump is trying to point the finger at kamala harris for the recent market

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wall street today could end up being quite short-lived. one good sign, stocks in japan are bouncing up as we speak, the nikkei that's the main index there is up more than 9% after one of its worst days in history. now american market gets will also look to rebound. of course, tomorrow after an ugly day that got people worried about the health of the u.s. economy. 1.3 trillion in value was a race from the s&p, the dow dropping by more than 1,000 points. and of course, the news it immediately became political with donald trump calling it the camila crash. and now warning of a recession. now, to give us a reality check, let's bring in justin wolfers. he's a professor of economics and public policy at the university of michigan. and the audience is thrilled that it's not me explaining economics them right now, let's go to you professor on this very point so there are really a big numbers we're talking about. that sounds pretty scary, but put into

context how bad today's selloff really was. it was it temporary or a sign of something much bigger? >> how bad was today's selloff honestly, it depends who you are. if you're a guy on wall street earning more money than you and i are in a flashy suit whose annual bonus depends on the apps and downs of the market. today was pretty rough. >> but if you're not on wall street, if instead you're over on main street and you looking to earn a living employment reminds high wages are rising, incomes are rising. >> and there's a whole lot of hullabaloo on wall street. >> it doesn't really have that much of a direct effect on your life. >> in moreover, wall street sometimes goes down and you know what's happening right now, it's bouncing right back up that's important to think about. >> i think a lot of people, because they hear about the market and they don't find it accessible. they don't think of it as an immediate issue for themselves, but they are wondering tonight, what caused all this? >> well, one answer is an

immense overreaction last week, the federal reserve decided not to raise interest rates on wednesday and then on friday discovered that the state of the american life he was a little bit worse, just a little bit than many people had been hoping. that led them to say, well, maybe the federal reserve's asleep at the wheel. it should have cut and it didn't. and so this freakout, it's it's it's it's a tantrum folks on wall street wanted their interest rate cuts, they didn't get them, and they're worried that the federal reserve will fall behind i think the reality for people in their everyday lives is if the fed gets it mostly right, that'll be good enough to keep their livelihoods pretty good. and i think that's what's going to happen now it doesn't mean of course that there is everything that happened on wall shooter beyond has no effect on the average person. >> it does have some impact, but your point is, though to the level that people have been hand wringing on this issue,

likely not, but of course this has become very political, as you can imagine, donald trump is blaming kamala harris for the market tanking. and like i said, he's named today is volatility. the quote, camila crash. can you fact check a little bit of this claim for me? i mean, does a singular person does the vice president holds any sway singularly, if at all, over this market this might be the easiest fact check my life last time i looked it up, kamala harris was the vice president. the vice president has essentially no power except for certifying elections. we know that's very important. are voting in the senate, which she didn't do and moreover, there's a president, there's a federal reserve chair desert congress there's no particular action. notice. there's no action that she took that he's pointing at it doesn't seem at all plausible that kamala harris caused any part of this there seems to be a lot of factors that go into how a market is impacted. can you describe a couple of them for our audience? understand all the different nuances that

would even contribute to a change look, he is the simple way to think about financial markets. they like a big toddler when they win, i don't get fed. maybe they don't get their rate cuts they get cranky, they throw tantrums. they say all sorts of things, things that they may later come to regret. now the thing is that might lead you to say we should ignore financial markets, but sometimes financial markets like my toddler. well, they see something coming at the rest of his haven't yet seen. so that's the reason we do want to keep an open mind about this markets do seem a little less happy about the future we can't be fully sure exactly what's going on. i do think it's an overreaction, but i also think it's worth taking seriously and being a little cautious in the next few months. >> justin wolfers, i consider any reference to toddlers very triggering. thank you so much for joining me tonight. i appreciate it. >> any had misha rematch are now back with us. >> all i saw all of your back

straight and at the thought of toddlers in the market, but the politics of this, i mean, the idea of trying to assign blame to harris is obviously strategic, but will it work out to have this connection? >> oh, i think that most people are going to be able to reject that a standard political rhetoric if however, you see continued market weakness, if people see there for one k's continuing to sink if there's another bad labor market report or two before the election that's, different thing that's i think not a question of what trump is saying. it's a question of what's actually happening in the economy. >> i want everyone to look to you if i can just play for a second. how he did this his the way of trying to blame or watch what happened we go look at them, go down and what some would call history and don't say never been looked down 1,000 points, ever, not even introduced hey, on the nasdaq bidenomics isn't working. it's working to stock market, just taken a big old nose dive this morning out, jones is down about 1,010 why is that is

calm. >> so they're trying to associate obviously bidenomics, which is, has been an issue for the biden-harris administration trying to bridge the gap between how people should feel about the economy and how they do feel about the economy by putting these together, this is obviously a very clear their intention by the trump campaign. >> yeah, absolutely. i think i understand why the trump campaign is making doing this, taking this tactic and trying to tie these things together. and it makes a lot of sense to me. i mean, look since july 21, when biden dropped out, the trump campaign has had a series of not so great days. it's where they've been talking about cats and women without children and diet, mountain dew. none of these are winning issues, but donald trump polls much better on the economy, than kamala harris does. that's you know, with voters writ large, but particularly when you look at independent voters they really believe that

donald trump is better equipped to handle the economy now. >> but can we show that we have in c about how highlight what you're saying before i go back to any 25% of registered voters and think they're financially better under a harris presidency compared to 45% under trump. that's significant significant. and so i think, i mean, look, when they're talking about the economy that is a much better day for them. then when they're talking about these other issues that i mentioned so the minute you have bad economic news he's going to try to start to attach that to harris and the other thing i think is really interesting when you look at some of the polling, it shows that the attacks on the economy that republicans have been leveling for the last year, year-and-a-half have all been focused at joe biden and they haven't really stuck to kamala harris and so you can see why the republicans and donald trump need to sort of really pivot hard and tried to make those attacks stick to her because that is an issue that voters do actually vote on.

>> how does she take away that stick? because obviously before he was top of ticket, now, she is i think she's got to do two things and if what she what she talked about during her most recent speech at the rally in georgia is proof positive of anything. it's that she was leaning in on the concerns of everyday americans, particularly those folks who believe rent is too high, who are having a hard time paying for groceries, who are having a hard time with childcare. she acknowledged those things in addition to talking about the sizable wins of the biden-harris administration. i think that she has to do bow. she has to lean in on how people feel, but also the reality because it's not just feelings. a lot of people can't afford groceries. she has the leaning on their reality and talk about the ways in which he's going to improve that for them. and i think she's doing a little campaign trail now. it is not bidenomics was great for every body and you just need to figure it out. it is, hey, these these people are having a hard time. let me reach out and create policies that will work for them and acknowledge their pain at the same time. that's what she's been doing on the campaign trail. >> but we'll see if she can continue that. and of course, the person who shall be a running mate with has got to be on the same page and be

convincing about it. thank you so much, everyone. well, i just mentioned josh shapiro, the governor of pennsylvania. he is one of vice president kamala harris is top choices for her vp running mate. but some demos crowds are reportedly asking, well, it's personal ambition getting away. my next guest was one shapiro's boss in congress, former representative joe hovel. he joined it's me in just a moment assignment with audie cornish. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts did you know get our rex can help you get a better price on your families prescriptions. i just opened the app type in the name of our meds now that savings on my husband's blood pressure refills and savings and my dad is allergy pill for scription savings for the whole family. another good reason to check gadara introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with four or full pain fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source for up to eight hours of powerful relief. new

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is space. this criticism for years. now, look, what his former boss, democratic congressman joe have full said after shapiro replaced him on the ballot of a local county election in 2011, saying you don't want to turn your back on him. loyalty is not his strong suit now, that was seven years ago back in 2017. today, he wants shapiro to be on that ticket with vice president harris former congressman, joins me. now, congressman, thank you so much for being with me this evening. they'll all eyes are on your state as announcement will be made tomorrow in philadelphia, they believe it will be shapiro possibly that's the talk of the town, although kelly and tim waltz are also in there. but because it's being announced in philly, they think maybe the pencil governor, you have said that shapiro showed ambition by showing up at your office and the house back in 1998 what do you say to people who are concerned that shapiro maybe

prioritizing his own ambition over perhaps loyalty to present potential president harris i think josh has really dedicated to public service. >> and i have no doubts about his sincerity. >> and i know he's a smart guy talented, hardworking. >> sure. he's ambitious. all politicians are ambitious here. you have to be in this business but i think his motivation is good and i hope that the kamala harris picks him. i think he'd be a great asset to the campaign what was behind the statement that you made? >> do you still believe that perhaps loyalty is not his strong suit? >> well, we had a difference of opinion after working together for years on the succession when the democratic party at the county commission or level, i was the incumbent chair of the county commissioners josh and i were talking about

running together. we couldn't quite work it out. >> and we had a difference looking back on it. it's a lot less important now than it was back then. so pretty much water under the bridge at this point and i think what we're facing today and the challenge of keeping donald trump out of the white house is so much more important that we've got to pick the strongest team and i really think that kamala harris and josh shapiro is the very best team the democrats can put forward. >> sitting here today, we've heard from senator fetterman, who is expressed some of his perhaps anxiety surrounding this particular pick. he was your chief of staff and talking about shapiro shapiro in fetterman, are two of the most popular democrats in pennsylvania, but there appears to be according to politico, a kind of a rift between them. do you have any idea why would fetterman be so concerned about

shapiro? and do you think that gives pause to the people of your state of pennsylvania? >> well, they're both ambitious. >> it's not a one-sided deal, so they've had some differences. they served together on the board of pardons in pennsylvania and didn't agree on everything so they've bumped up against against each other. >> i don't take back anything that i said a few years ago. it was true then and i stick by it but josh has grown as a politician. he's maturities 51 now and he's done a fine job as our attorney general and our governor and any matches up so well with camila that these differences in personality disagreements pale in comparison to the importance of this national election harrison

shapiro both former prosecutors they pair up so well against the felonious mr. trump josh's is so smart and bright, has executive experience. far more experience as an executive than j.d vance it's really a terrific team and i hope commonly makes it come together i got to tell you, former congressman joe half-full. >> if ambition were a disqualifier, i don't think there'll be a single person in office thank you so much. so matters thank you well, i had the ruling that could change how we get information and search on the internet. >> what does the government's rare legal victory? three against google mean for you? the one, the only kara swisher is here to explain, plus, is it the final bow from the great incomparable goat simone biles,

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now, of course, google disputes those numbers, but today the company was found to have violated antitrust law the judge ruling that google is a monopolist illegally crushing competition in search. so exactly what all this mean for you and i i've got the one and only kara swisher here with me tonight. she's a cnn contributor and author of burn book, kara. so good to see you. what the judge gave a lot of different options. there are a few that i mean, they had actually given the options yet, but there are things are on the table potential monetary fine, a breakup of the company maybe even forcing google to implement a choice screen that says, hey, there other search engine because available, what do you think is likely to happen it's not clear. >> there's give me a whole trial about that. what the remedies are. and so the judge hasn't led on any he just he just made the ruling that google is a monopolist and acted that way around search and also text advertising. and by the way, there's a third trial going on with the

department of justice in virginia and starts in september around tech to ad tech itself. and so it's sort of hitting all of google's businesses at once. and so this is going to go on for awhile but we'll see what's going to actually happen. but it's, it's, it's a big loss for the first big loss for a tech company meehan forever since microsoft really the ad numbers are so important because again, a monetary fine, not normally how you punish an entity that is a monopoly because it's a drop in the bucket of all that they're able to get and it's not deterrent. there's also been some a lot of speculation about how the internet search might be forever altered because of ai technology. but now you got this lawsuit, right? could this accelerate some of the change has already bubbling in the background? >> well, it depends on a lot of people think google's going to lose search business because of ai. openai is doing search, all kinds of companies, amazon does search and stuff like that. and one of google's argument it says it's not as big as you think it is, although it is as big as you think it is probably

bigger and it's also what they did in the past in order to maintain that monopoly, which includes paying $26 billion in payments to be to default search engine on places like apple and mozilla mostly gave that money mosley to apple and so it's sort of the behaviors that sort of entrenched into place. and can it take those entrenchments and turn it into an advantage in the ai business that's one of the worries here is to possibly stop behavior going forward to so if google is the loser today, is that mean then the consumer is the winner i'm not so sure that consumers and winter yeah, because there's a lot of cases happening, it's all these companies, amazon, to apple too, meta, facebook and we'll see but one of the problems is congress has not acted in decades around these companies, even though every other major industry, as you know, i've said this over and over again has regulations, technology doesn't have any, they have advantages in many ways.

>> and so this is sort of the beginning of that idea, which should have happened back in the obama administration but when it was really actually happening, and now we're sort of cleaning up a situation. now google is going to push back. they're going to probably ask to appeal. they have to ask this judge to appeal but it's going to go on for a while. so you're probably not going to see any real differences in, for consumers. and it's just a question is, are you being, is innovation being stifled because one company runs all? search? >> it's this is what the justice department has won here in this case it's a really important when you're right, we're probably years out. >> what actually having a solution. and of course, maybe longer before congress is the trusted body to oversee all a technology. kara swisher. thank you so much. nice to see well, look, this is one of the photos that will likely define simone biles is career and she's not even at the top of the podium there. sheila jordan chiles as well. >> the incredible humility from america's most decorated gymnast and it's up next as he

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rebeca on draghi, she took home the gold and the three celebrated the first all black gymnast podium. and as for biles and giles, it's it a step further vowing to an draghi as she stepped up to her place on the podium. here's a biles had to say about it rebecca she is so amazing she's queen and first it was an all-black podium. >> so that was super exciting for us. but then jordan was like, should we bow turn? like absolutely were like are we going to do it now? and then that's why we did it. but she used she's such an excitement to watch and then all the fans in the crowd always cheering for her he was just the right thing to do well, biles has now won 11 olympic medals dating back to the rio games in 2016 of them are gold. >> joining me now, a cnn contributor kari champion. so

good to see you, carrie. i mean, this has been so exciting. my daughter is jim as i watch the trials in my home state of minnesota, i have been so excited by all of this she won her gold medals. she has moves that are named after her, and yet she still bowed to rebecca and draghi. that was such a powerful moment. >> that is a moment that should go down in history that we will see i, you know, i did a little search, a little quick search on all the socials it had over 25 million views just on twitter slash x. and i thought it was really interesting because what this group of gymnast, these athletes are showing us is that you can compete and still encourage one another. and afterwards they talked about will, first of all, they like, well, first of all, was all black, right. so we're excited about that. >> it's queen. and i feel like this was the lesson because there were so many times are we forget that we should honor the people that are around us. and simone has handled herself with so much class and humility as you pointed out and for me, she has been the professional the

true ethic excuse me, the definition of sportsmen like conduct because she knows how to carry herself. and that was such a special moment for these women and truth be told. rebecca is her competition in every form and fashion. but this is a moment, right? competition is a good thing, and it was a great moment for sport. >> i call this picture his name to sportswoman ship forget sportsmanship at this point in time. and you know what we've ever seen jordan chiles. i mean, she is everyone's height woman. she is so exciting to watch. so it's not surprising that she would have tried to hide people up as well. but you're right to say these three young women celebrating supporting one another. i mean, given the trials and tribulations that each of them have faced to get to where they are it really to me, it made me feel proud as a mother having my daughter and my son watch it made me feel proud to say, look, this is among the best and they recognized it i will say this and this is just a moment as a moment that i want to take out and point out what

you do, laura, you mentioned that your daughter is a gymnast. i had no idea but what i know so many times, especially women sometimes feel like they have to compete with one another unnecessarily, even if you're on the same team all throughout this entire olympics. all we saw was that gymnastics team stick together as one at the very end for jordan to suggest about a rebecca was beautiful. but even as somewhat of a new comer a, you know, at cnn, you've always been so generous and kind. and i think that to me when we can do that and we show how that works, it really does spread itself so you're watching something and while this may have been your favorite story of the day, you truly execute an illustrate that at least from my understanding what i've been able to witness now, you know, i'm emotional. >> let me cry on television. what are you doing what move out, whatever. >> i don't like you, i don't love you i'm crying thank you.

i respect you so much. >> you make it easy. thank you for saying that i really do appreciate that, and i could give you flowers all night as the world can, because you are so well-respected and how this relates. i think to me is a moment because that support, it symbolizes something that i think has been lacking a lot in sports. you and i have had how many conversations now about what's going on in the wnba and how people tried to pit women against each other. and they talk about this hyperbolic competition and beef as opposed to mutual well respect. here's what it looks like when people are taken at their word that they respect the competition, carry yeah. >> and there's power in numbers because each one of these ladies in there is excellent, so can you imagine a room full of excellent women doing their best at all times woman do not. we're on to say sports it's been like condo were say, woman's like conduct. and it is being on display right here in this moment, these olympics have obviously done so much better than tokyo for various reasons. we've been able to me

something that we haven't been able to see in a long time. and that is the story lines because we followed so many of these athletes for the better of a decade, the better part of a decades. so we know there are stories, we know what they've been through and you call this, i heard you earlier say this was vials redemption tour. i mean, i love the fact that she might even still give us more in 2028, there's still so much and we're so invested. so this was definitely the highlight thus far i history highlight that we can look back on i learned so many valuable lessons so, so true if she goes to la oh my goodness, how exciting i'm moving it with you if that happens, carry, but let me ask you. >> i cannot buy anything but thinking she has been such an icon for so many athletes in all sports and people who are not athletes who just want people to value their mental health and value what it takes to sustain it. that's a real big part of her legacy. unlike many other athletes it's on and off the mat, on and off the court for her. it's her health

as the best aspect of any competition i think that what she was able to show us and so many ways i call it like mighty, mighty because she's such a little tiny powerhouse. >> but she was so brave saying that i cannot compete mentally leah, i am not well, also holding journalist accountable. i know that sometimes we ask questions trying to get to the next story, but even this time, she's like, can i just enjoy this moment? can i enjoy this history-making moment before i have to talk about what happens next. and i think that there is a part of us that have to that we should respect the request, but the idea that she's saying it's okay to talk about my mental health and i need it. it's become very trendy to talk about it, but athletes don't feel comfortable doing that. i know very few athletes who can talk about where they are mentally because it's such a huge, if not the most important component to their game. and for her to be able to do that and then come back in such a powerful way, it sends a message that it is okay to take