situation develops over the next several hours. a new hour of cnn, new central starts right now new developments this morning for you on kamala harris as vice presidential decision, she has to sleep on it and her choice. >> we will learned this morning. we're standing by for the announcement that could come at any moment this morning. debby also wreaking havoc on millions of americans up and down on the east coast with really heavy rains, dangerous flooding and tornadoes. we are tracking that storm for you. and one day after devastating market losses, things are backing in the green us futures looking up as we wait for the opening bell on wall street kate is out today. i'm sara sidner with john berman. this is cnn new central we're getting closer

and closer standing he by for vice president harris, hugely important vp announcement that we expect to happen via an online message. first, which means refresh buttons are likely getting more action should the terminator movie right now, moments ago, we learned she did not have a decision last night. she said she needed to sleep on it. will it be minnesota governor tim walz or pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, sources overnight said the race is down to those two we have cameras outside each governor's home watching every move, although it has been very quiet this morning. but first cnn's mj lee and philadelphia for all the breaking news details, mj right now, kamala harris could be calling one of these two men with some very good news for them. what more can you share about how this decision is happening yes, sara, it is still anybody's guess exactly when kamala harris is going to make that phone call and who she is going to call to share

that life-changing the news with. >> but we did learn this morning that as you mentioned, the vice president had not made a decision as of last night when she was going to bed and that she essentially decided that she needed that extra final night to sleep on the decision, meaning that this decision is going to get made this morning. that means that phone call will likely come this morning. she's going to be informing her team this morning as well and presumably the finalists that didn't end up getting the job, they're going to be finding out about that decision sometime today. as well. but the preparations of course for this eventual announcement, not to mention that philadelphia rally, that it's going to take place this evening here with harris and her eventual running mate. those have had to proceed it even as the campaign is waiting on her final word, we are told that the campaign is actually printed out multiple versions of campaign signs featuring harris's name next to the names of multiple contenders

that she has been deliberating over. and while i haven't actually formed yet, which names for these signs were printed out? we do know that there are three names that we have been talking about a lot the last 48 hours or so. and those are of course, josh shapiro, tim walz, and mark kelly. and we did report that in the final hours, the vice president did seem particularly sula really focus on those first two names, josh shapiro, that and tim walz and all three of them, we should mention, did have in-person interviews with the vice president over the weekend in washington, dc but sara, i think one thing that we should just take a beat to talk about is how much of a condensed timeline all of this has really unfolded under given the events of the last 16 days or so. and it is just in a matter of days vice president has to has had to deliberate over some really important questions as she has tried to make this decision. questions like who could actually help her win who could be? a good governing partner for her?

>> who does she have a good and strong personal chemistry with? >> to that end, the vice president has been presented by her vetting team with a ton of information to sift through on their personal lives, up, polling numbers and a lot of other research about the final contenders so that she could try to make an informed decision. and as far as the announcement that we are on standby for, we do know that the harris campaign is trying to model all of this after what we saw joe biden do some four years ago when he decided that he was going to go with kamala harris, they made an online announcement on social media to all of the supporters but one thing is for sure, they are very much trying to keep this under wraps to as close to game time as possible. that again, is that philadelphia rally tonight when we will see the two of them together for the first time. >> sara. >> thank you so much. mj lee, we are looking at these live views of tim walz, his home, the governor of minnesota, and shapiro's home in pennsylvania so far, no movement. we will

have to wait and see what the pick is. appreciate you don't we teach this see some cars going in and out and st. paul. a governor waltzo. but honestly it could have been grubhub for all we know, delivering french toast. we just don't know at this stage what we do know is cnn chief national correspondent john king is here with us at the magic wall. great to see you this morning look, we're talking about tim walz of minnesota, josh shapiro in pennsylvania both blue states last time, but these states aren't exactly back leah, like they're not exactly alike. cup pennsylvania is bigger, pennsylvania is more complicated minnesota has been one of those states that republicans keeps saying we're going to get minnesota just like democrats say, we're going to get north carolina where george w bush, w bush, who say i'm going to get pennsylvania, but this is what this whole decision is about. if you think about it, this is the 2020 map, right this is biden trump. now of course biden's out of the race and harris is saying, let's not let this happen again. let's not let donald trump win the blue wall. because if donald trump wins the blue wall than the democratic path to 270

electoral votes gets. so much harder so you make that's why a lot of democratic strategists say may come back to 2020, picks shapiro because you need pennsylvania, right? that's part of the democratic methods you have to have pennsylvania, but other democrats say minnesota, lot of trump voters in minnesota, minnesota was very close. if you look at 20:20, you come in here 50 to 45 here. if he come back here, it's even more. it's even closer here because of the third-party candidates in 2016. again, these small rural areas and tim walz does pretty well, but josh shapiro did well in more republican areas to it's a generational pick is a comfort pick that's the debate we're having. is it a white picket fence or the nice landscaping outside of governor shapiro's home there. the fascinating thing to me about this shot is number one, the truncated calendar. so the vice president, vice president harris, now the democratic nominee is taking to the last possible second to make this decision. and then there's no data. there's no data anywhere that says this actually impacts votes come november, but it is her first big executive decisions, so it will get a big bus reporting mj lee reporting

that the vice president went to sleep last night, having not made a decision, our jeff zeleny reporting that this morning, he believes that she has made a decision. what's not clear is if she's made any calls actually, can you pan in right there on this picture? we can see our whitney wild and other people trying to look over the fence in st. paul, minnesota right now because there was some action a little bit of action at the home of governor tim and walz. look, we're showing you this just to give you a sense a way of how little is known and how much we're looking for any sign. one thing that would need to happen ultimately, the secret service would arrive in force if a phone call has been made, veterans are the process and campaigns call it the prize patrol. they're making front of the whole publishers clearing house. you they come knock on the door with the balloon, so they tell you, you wonder sweepstakes. it would be a campaign, a couple of campaign advanced people coming to walls or governor shapiro both have their own people of course, but the campaign was sending a couple of people that communications person, they bring a policy book just so you could read it on the plane to philadelphia for the event and

yes, at the last minute, you bring the secret service and again, both of these governors have stayed police protection. so it's not hard to do, but it is it's a complicated process. it's been done many, many times, but you've got to pull it off in one thing you can just click on pennsylvania, right now in terms of, the difference that a vice presidential selection can make, we don't know if it can make that much, but it's just 80,000 votes that separated biden for trump. and even if it's a, you know, this is 1.2 points. if it can make 1.5 difference, that's a lot, right? and we were talking about this a little bit last night. >> and so this is ad spending since president biden stepped out and harris became the presumptive. now she is the democratic nominee. the campaigns say the campaigns are telling us what the strategies are saying. there pennsylvania, you have to get pennsylvania how to get pence way to look at the ad spending overwhelming and pennsylvania compared to these other battleground states, not that these are not important, but the campaign seem to be affirming what the strategy is saying that you say, oh, if shapiro, you're right, if he can help me with a half a point, you can help me with 10,000 votes or 20,000 votes. that's the guy want one or the other questions is you

know even though all of these candidates have essentially to save position on israel, hamas, there has been a conversation. the left has gone after shapiro saying because he would crack down on the protesters, he had tougher language may maybe about the protests. do you want that candidate do you want to stir it up when she starting to unify the party, do you want to stir that up again? the a lot of democrats we didn't have a primary process for harris, but you're having it now, is is he the primary we're seeing over 12 hours stretched, right. john king. great to see you this morning. we'll check back with you in a bit sara. >> all right. >> it was down now as global markets rebounding after a day of steep losses what will us markets do when that bell rings this morning, we're standing by for that opening bell and debby dumping a historic amount of rain along the carolina coast we have a live report from there for you. >> that's ahead tv on the

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people got jittery and the reasons for that were understandable the entire market events started because some investors were unwinding some of their trades in japan. then we got that really disappointing jobs data last it's friday that coupled back that investors now and i think most people on the street know that we've been in a pretty robust recovery cycle for some time now, if you discount that, there really sharp, v-shaped recession and recovery that happened after covid a few years ago it's been 15 years since the u.s. has had a recession. >> we've had a long run of good luck and i think investors were feeling like the music stopped playing now i'll add one more thing to that, which is it's august and fund managers like other people go on vacation. >> and so that leaves the markets a little more choppy. they're less investors really watching their portfolios carefully. so august has become

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>> wwe wednesday night, don't live in tbs alright, these are actually live pictures from outside the naval observatory, which is the residence of the vice president kamala harris right now, this is not where we expect the movement this morning once she makes her decision, but she is inside maybe on the phone may be on a zoom right now, maybe half having already told somebody who the vice presidential selection will be calling her new running mate. we are trying to find out. let's go right to st. paul, minnesota outside the home of minnesota governor tim walz, our whitney wild is everybody. we've been watching you and this location it's been a lot of movement there over the last 20 minutes or so that's exactly right. >> there's a lot of activity here. normally what we see is just a handful of law enforcement vehicles. and again, that's one of the things that were watching because we

expect that once he is if he is the pig, that we would see much more law enforcement e-tivity. the secret service would maybe come to the home. that's one of the things that we're watching what we've seen this morning, john, when we first got here, there were four or five law enforcement vehicles inside the parking lot at the residents here. but what we've seen in the last 20 minutes is six more vehicles that appear to be law enforcement and vehicles pulling into this parking lot that is much more activity than we've seen as of late. and what it appears that they're doing, john, is they're positioning one of the vehicles in such a way that they often do when the governor is preparing for a movement. and what we know john is that there's nothing on the schedule yet there's no public public event that he's going to no plans that we know of, that would mean that there's a movement that was already on the schedule, so if there is a movement and it really be something that we were not planning to see this something that was not necessarily on the schedule. that's the activity that we're watching here, john. but certainly in the last few minutes, the energy has picked up back-to-back. >> we know there's a joint appearance with the vice president and her running mate

in philadelphia, governor walz would have to fly there. so we wouldn't see him move at some point, whether that's sooner, not, we'll have to wait and see, but double the number of vehicles then we saw a little while ago, whitney wild and st. paul, please keep us posted. i do also want to note we did see an suv moments ago leaving the home of pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. that's in montgomery county, pennsylvania, but just a single vehicle. this is moments ago okay good for what it is at this point, right now, the guy with the most vehicles is tim walz in minnesota. alright, as we await more information on the running mate pick, there's already been a huge change in the democratic ticket. the vice president kamala harris, now at the top of the ticket, obviously a different place and things his word just three weeks ago. so what has the impact been on the ground? are john king went to arizona as part of his all over the map series that tracks the election through the eyes and experience of voters in those states. wants what he found door to

door in the scorching desert heat. >> i don't hear though not much of a shadow in the middle of the day looking for votes in a place where every matters. >> we're just going around, talking to voters. >> this is pinal county, arizona. it is rural republican. and the pre canvassing meeting, they saved hydrated includes a reminder, a lot of trump voters aren't happy when a progressive comes calling. >> you know, it's getting hot out there. we definitely know it's not just the temperature. >> we're just keep it moving you know, tell him thank you. >> have a good day. >> pablo correa and jacob dials also walked these streets in 2020 when joe biden won arizona by just 10,000 votes. this year things were looking rough, but now this handout is a keepsake. >> ever have a campaign year like this, ever had to campaign year like this a new version with kamala harris is at the print shop. >> now we're hearing conversations about like hope, while already told my friends, my family, my neighbor to go out and vote versus yeah, i'm gonna go out and vote probably the canvassers or more excited

democratic voters to its palpable. >> now, there's excitement and if you can throw excitement on top of duty there is something closer to home with harris at the top of the ticket. >> it's way easier to support a candidate who can actually see go out and campaign and you like, you have the energy around you melissa cordero is proof of the new energy she's much more active. she says since her phone started humming at late july sunday, biden stepped aside. >> i mean, just red dots all over my phone screen. you know, everybody's did you did you did you see this cordero is an air force veteran, active and a group called common defense pence hagi she was loyal to biden when we first visited four months ago excited to work with fellow veterans and other friends to back harris. now, not all veterans or for trump now, all veterans are maga crazies, second amendment people. >> there are ones out there that truly believe in democracy. and we want things like object to freedom. i think kamala coming in and has brought this like just just

energy that wasn't there, sustaining that new energy for three months is one giant harris challenge cordillera also hopes for contrast with trump on immigration and other pressing issues here jobs, money, rent caps, all the things that cause a lot of stress. there's a lot of ego rios was too young to vote in 2020, but supported biden 19. now compares trumpism to fascism, eager to vote but not for harris. >> i can't commit to the democrats. i used to think that they were better. i just don't rio sees both harris and trump as too harsh on asylum seekers and other migrants his biggest issue is the hamas it's real conflict. >> rio supports a socialist candidate who opposes any aid to israel. >> there's nothing that camila can do in the next 123 months that can watch that blood from her hands in my view harris can't win battlegrounds like arizona if she doesn't reverse

biden's slide with latinos and with young voters pretty might be else does some shift, but doubts. harris can do enough. >> i've certainly had friends asked me where i had conversations about what's camilla's deal? is she better? she is she that and so those conversations are certainly happening. i just don't know if they're happening in the numbers that the democratic party was hoping for to saunas pima county reliably blue but independence like ray flores help settle competitive races. he remains just where he was when we first met in march from the fore planning to vote third party, lose a libertarian party right now flores sees both major parties is too focused on power and personalities as engines of division, not solutions it's not halutz when it's humiliation, its disruption. i kinda feel glad that the wind picks. it's going on right now i like when i see our country shaking hands and hugging other countries and i wish that politics had the same respect for the competition that sports does el charro

stake is one of a dozen restaurants, flores, owens, he was in europe on a month long family vacation when trump was shot at. >> and when biden stepped aside, he got brand is important and it was it was being laughed at and i didn't like that we were the butt of the joke back now to catch up on business and a changed president financial race. >> i do look forward to seeing some sort of debate between them. i think that would be more than television. i think it would be eye-opening to see how they respond to each other. this is a whole new game, right? so this is a fresh new, and i think we can all should all kind of peel back and look at this as a fresh new way. >> a race with more fire and more energy. now, a new option, perhaps enough to warrant another look at the menu what a great look it is to and john king is with me now john, as we await the announcement from vice president harris on the pick, a running mate doesn't look like it'll be mark kelly from arizona either. >> tim walz from minnesota, josh shapiro from pennsylvania in there's been a split or a debate the last 24 hours, maybe

between progressives and more moderates, is there a sense from arizona? what might play better when you talk to democrats in arizona, they don't say we want senator kelly. >> they say i want the astronaut because they just think the appeal of that, that his profile has ceo, his biography is compelling. they love mark kelly, liberals and moderates in arizona. he's someone who could sort of goes across the party that was in pennsylvania last week and the voters there say, we want shapiro, although a few of them said he's a first-term governor, we love him. let's keep him we want to keep him, but more and more said all indications are this morning that the momentum is in favor of the minnesota governor mark walls. we'll see if that plays out. that's the hint were getting this morning, but we don't have confirmation of that just yet. so we go forward again. there's nothing in history that as it matters in the end, but i do think one of the things we have to keep an open mind to is do the rules matter anymore because we have this unusual campaign where vice president harris is suddenly the nominee. she's got fewer than 100 days to the campaign. so everything she needs to be near perfect she has closed the gap. she's very competitive now he's still say probably slight advantage trump or even at best. so if she can't make mistakes. and so

that's the fascinating part for me. there's, again, i've been doing this a long time. you can't say anyone's vp pick made the difference in the end, but it does get you a moment. she's she has seize the spotlight in this race. her challenges to try to keep it in one of the things that is clear is we have never seen anything thing like this. >> so all right. john king. thank you very much great to see you. sara. >> great piece, john. all right. thank you so much. an unbelievable defeat for google. a federal judge says the tech giant violated antitrust laws how that could change the way you search online and debby dumping record amounts of rain spawning tornadoes and creating life-threatening conditions. we are tracking that storm. we will be live from the area just ahead hen to.

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look out there, you can tell the rain in that people are concerned with now, also, let's bring you back this way. the big move yesterday was for people to get sandbags because if you live in a coastal community, you know, you need sandbags. you can see in front of that house right there. they have the sandbag place at a point where they know they've dealt with water before 50,000 sandbags were put out yesterday. and of course, there'll be more sandbags as needed, but this rain is going to be pounding. they expect around 10:00. that's when the heavier bands are starting to move in in the morning time. let's show you this video from overnight. we do know of two confirmed tornadoes we didn't know that edisto beach, which is about 50 miles away from here and seabrook island, both for impacted by the tornadoes that moved through this area. so people are concerned about the heavy rain, the possibility for more tornadoes throughout the area. but listen to this one man tell us about his driver to work in the morning. that was something he said he had never experienced before it took me an hour and 45 today because of the road closures, but it took, the first probably

three or four miles before i could start seeing anything. >> because of how heavy the rain was with the way the roads looked coming in. i was having to zigzag all over the place because there was four feet a standing water at some point. i mean, i'd back out and turn around yes. >> sara, you know, you and john both know about this having to clean the lens during live shots because the rain started to come sideways. this is a strongest rain that we've faced since about 5:00 this morning. that's when it was heaviest because we can hear it all over the city in terms of bouncing all peoples tin roof before we've actually seen some of the roadways here your head high water, some of that starting to recede, but we know it'll come back. luckily, there's daylight out there, so people started trying to drive around. i go to some of the jobs they have to go to obviously they want to be able to see the roads. but something we will continue to watch guys promising all of that rain and it is coming down hard on you now. thank you so much. ryan young tried to get dry. appreciate it. as ryan young just showed us conditions in south carolina deteriorating at

this hour, ben webster is joining me now he is the interim emergency management director for charleston county. ben you're we're looking at the scene from where our ryan young is there in charleston and the rain is pummeling. it's coming down. what can you tell us about what you're expecting in the dangerous to the community there yes absolutely. >> thank you for having us on today. we've experienced a significant amount of rain in charleston county, which it is leading to flooding. and as these bands continue to come through today in the storm gets even closer to as we expect, more rain. and an addition to that potential storm surge and tropical tropical-storm-force winds yeah. >> we're looking at some of the video now of one of the streets and an obvious shopping area that is flooded at this point in time. what are you telling people to do now? because this is not a wind event, this really is a rain event. people might mistakenly be lulled into thinking they can go out, drive around, go to their normal places. what are you telling them? >> well, the first thing we want to say is we can't just

say this is just a tropical storm. this is a major catastrophic and historic event for charleston. people need to go home, stay home, stay off the roads, don't drive through flooded waters stay at a place of safety and anyone who lives in a low lying or area that's prone to flooding, even if it hasn't flooded yet, should consider relocating. >> that is really good advice we are seeing some of these pictures of cars trying to drive through that rain. it's problematic. thank you so much. we know a lot of road closures are happening, so staying home is the best advice i saw the morning. ben webster. thank you so much for joining us there from charleston, south carolina. john. >> all right. sara, it looks like things are moving ever. so closer to an announcement from vice president harris on her running mate. let's get right to mj lee, who's in philadelphia, where the vice president will appear with their running mate later today. where are we right now? mj well, where we are right now is that we are still waiting to learn whether kamala harris has

made that decision on a vice presidential running mate. >> we don't know yet whether she has made those phone calls well, that will be so pivotal to the finalists. but of course, most importantly to the running mate of her choice. but it is in some ways, not a surprise, john, that this decision has been kept under wraps, which is exactly what the harris campaign had hoped would happen. we know that as she has been deliberating over this process, she has been weighing on, of course, her family, we expect that the second gentleman, doug emhoff, would have been in that very small circle of advisers that she has been consulting with. we also know that among the top advisors that she has really been talking over this decision with include folks like jen o'malley, dillon, like sheila nix, like lorraine voles. these are all names that you would be familiar with? if you have spent any time covering the vice president and the vice presidency somebody else that we have talked a lot about is her brother-in-law, tony west this is the former obama

justice department official who of course, is now an executive at uber he is somebody that our understanding is somebody who has been in the room i really throughout this process, he has been spending time. we are told at the naval observatory in washington, dc to provide that support as she has been mulling over what is, as we've been talking about, the most consequential decision so far of her political career now, something else, just by way of the dynamics that are at play right now, that ai i want to mention is that we've been talking about this waiting period and how until we get that final decision, we learn about that from kamala harris. everyone is sort of in a wait and see mode, including the campaign making preparations this extends to the secret service as well. our colleague, betsy klein is reporting that according to the us secret services spokesperson, there basically ready to go and launch that full protection for whoever the running mate might

be for whenever that decision comes down. and that there are resources in place at various field offices close to some of the finalists that we've been talking about. so basically, as soon as somebody gets that greenlight that future running made for kamala harris is going to get the us secret service's full protection. again we are approaching that final decision. any moment now, we should be learning about phone calls, learning about that final decision from the vice president. but we will see and we want to make sure we get that reporting right. again, the harris campaign had very much hoped that they could keep this under wraps until very close to the rally. so far, john, they have a force been successful at doing just that right? >> standby because we do have some breaking news. let's get right to jeff zeleny. jeff, what are you hearing john, we're learning this morning that vice president kamala harris hasn't they'd made her decision for who she will ask to join her democratic ticket and begin the party's quest to

defeat former president donald trump. >> we do know that she will be holding a rally here in philadelphia this evening as mj was just reporting, and we are told that she has made that decision. so now the plans and the processes are set into emotion. we know a few things that the campaign is expecting to make this announcement in a video message later this morning, that of course takes a bit of time to prove juice. i'm told that will include a phone call or a video type call from the vice president to her choice. and again, all indications this morning that minnesota governor tim walz is expected to be that choice, however, until that becomes it's official, we shall leave a caveat that pennsylvania governor josh shapiro has also been in the mix in this furious campaign that's been underway really pulling in all spectrum terms of the democratic party campaigning for and against both of these gentlemen. but tim walz is 60-years-old. he is a former minnesota congressman. he is the current two-term governor of minnesota. and all

eyes as we've been watching this morning, are on st. paul and are on his residence, but we know that vice president harris has made a decision and we will await for confirmation for who that decision is. but all democratic eyes are on minnesota. and are on governor walz as her choice in this. but again, the choice is theirs in hers alone. and we shall see what she says this morning, john. >> all right. got just just to reiterate where we are and sara joining us for this part of the conversation as well, that decision jeff zeleny is reporting has been made. we have seen a lot of activity in st. paul, minnesota at the residence of governor tim walz right there, and jeff, you are reporting and i just want to reiterate this at this point, that signs are that governor tim walz of minnesota is the pick. we don't know if it's 100% locked in yet though henri has been informed, is that worth things are this morning, jeff?

>> john, we do believe that this was of course not happening in a vacuum. what happens when a running mate, his chosen, there is a team in place? from the harris campaign and the team would be just a couple advisers, very much read into this decision and awaiting the choice as well as a us secret service detail as mj. and are betsy klein have reported earlier, they are picked up and then take to the location. we know that is here in philadelphia yes there are multiple signs from multiple sources. our john king and jamie gangel, also a hearing this that minnesota governor tim walz is the a, leading indicator. this is, we're being cautious with our language intentionally here because again, this is the harris campaign and her decision alone to make, but that's where this is. this heading. >> at least at this hour this morning, john mj, i'm curious. we're going to bring you back in here. you talked about how we got here, the lead up to this. are you also hearing some

of the same sources talking to you about walls potentially being the person and how did this and up coming to fruition? in other words, last night apparently she did not have a pick this morning. that decision has been made well sara, it certainly we were going to have a decision once that decision was made by the vice president herself and you're very right. >> but as we have been talking about all morning as of last night, our understanding was that she hadn't made that final decision yet and she essentially needed that final evening to sleep on her decision. >> that is not to say sara, that she didn't perhaps have somebody that she was strongly leaning towards that perhaps even the folks around her that is family members included senior advisors, included, may have had a sense of who her choice would have been, even as of last night, even if she hadn't made that final final

decision yet ending as jump in here, let's jump in cnn breaking news and the breaking news cnn has learned that vice president kamala harris has picked. >> minnesota governor tim walz to be her running mate. you are looking live pictures from st. hey, paul, minnesota outside the home of the minnesota governor, right now, let me just read you the alert as it just came in, vice president harris it has made a decision with four people close to the processing. tim walz of minnesota is her choice to moles of being the governor there. he is known for things like like signing universal school meals bill into fruition and also, he is a veteran, a gun owner. he points out a hunter, a father he also put put into place a historic gun safety measure into law in his

state he is also known as a progressive and so there are a lot of people talking about what this ticket was we're going to look like. it looks like we getting reporting now from our jeff zeleny from our john king, that indeed tim walz has been the person picked the governor of minnesota, will likely be her vice presidential candidate, john king, jeff zeleny, jamie gangel, mj lee on this reporting from four sources, i believe we have john king was looking to frame right now since you're the one with us, john, we will go to you first with this pick. the why and what it means. >> well, the why is going to be comfort level. the why is going to be that harris believes this is a good governing partner. and the interesting conversation is going to be again, if you look in the rearview mirror, history tells us you can't find a lot of data it says vice president, that's presidential picks are decisive when it comes to the election. so what is vice president harris looking to do here? number one, a governing partner. number two, of progressive democrat. what is the trump campaign saying that

she's quote, unquote dangerously liberal, what will governor walz say? you mean a liberal who has his state guarantee abortion rights for women at the progressive government works at a time when a lot of people are disillusioned in their government, in their government. so that's the depict there will be people who say, but wait a minute, you need to win. pennsylvania wouldn't have governor shapiro have been stronger that will be a debate that goes on and on i think one of the big questions today as we watch this play out is the one thing that we have seen in recent weeks since president biden got out the vice president so quickly, unify the party. and then you did have these divisions over who she's picked as a running mate, do they linger? and i've been at this a long time, democrats do sometimes stay in their grievances, if you will, or do they? so look all conventions in a week and we're back in play here we were, we were losing this race. now we're back in play. let's keep it going. so it's going to be fascinating to see it go for it a little bit awkward i'm told by a source and i

know jamie and jeff and mj as well. that's absolutely walls. now he's going to go to josh shapiro's home state. will josh shapiro be there for the real josh shapiro is a good democrat. josh shapiro has a rising star in the democratic party. josh shapiro is a future president in the eyes of many democrats younger than walls. so can he help? does he help bring the party together to say, let's move on together. so fascinating. i was just i was about to get on the train to philadelphia. and when we were getting this reporting, i delayed the train by an hour to be here. but it's look, these are always fascinating picks. and again reporters obsess about them. people go nuts about them, and then in the end, you don't see how much impact i don't know that those rules apply anymore because we're in such uncharted territory with a campaign this late with donald trump's vice presidential pick having a more of a rocky rollout and so if you've watched governor walz has impressed everybody, he was a dark horse in this race, came up when he has impressed everybody in this race with his weird labeling, with his appearances on television. what

does the vice presidential candidate? do you know the pittsburgh market, the iri market, the grand rapids market, a lot of small market television you do in advance, you doing rallies, but then in-between them, you doing a lot of small market tv so that the nominee can focus it's on the big picture stuff. so here we go. >> well, when you think about this though we need to sort of reframe this as well. this is historic on so many levels. but the thing that everyone is looking at is she's a woman. she's a woman of color. she's black and south indian. and when you look at her pick her pick all of the people that were left on that panel were white males, but from swing states, important to democrats, we've seen the numbers. there are people saying this needs to be someone who is from a swing-state, somebody who is particularly liberal. but when you look at this pick how will republicans now go after him and her together? >> they're going to try to fit the republican argument is going to be that they're left with the country we left of the country again. so you can run out that or you when i first

covered the clinton campaign, they say you could run and at the polls you can run from the polls, right? so i think the idea that walz can make the case that you want to call it. he's been very good on television about this now, can you sustain it for the 96, 97 days left in the campaign he was a line. he said the other day, oh, i'm a monster because i guaranteed abortion rights in my state. i'm a bond stir because i feed children who need the help in the brakes and you're getting some reporting right now is buzzing, right? you're actually can read your phone for a second. i want to bring in jeff zeleny, mj lee to this conversation and jeff, as we go to you, i just want to make one thing clear. i believe it's our reporting that wow, waltz is the pick that the phone call hasn't been made an accepted yet. jeff zeleny, if you're with us right now, what are you hearing on that front and anything else you might have heard in the last 90 seconds? >> john, that is a bit unclear if the official phone call has happened. this is not a normal phone call. this is going to be recorded in turned into a video message. so i am led to believe that governor walz is well aware of where vice president

harris is going on this. so whether the two principles have spoken that is unclear at this no moment, but we do know that conversations have gone back and forth with the campaign and the minnesota governor, i am told though that the vice president grew increasingly comfortable well with minnesota governor tim walz, who she didn't know that well at all, just a couple of months ago and particularly even a couple of weeks ago but a source close to the process as pointed me to a telephone call on sunday, july 21, that is the afternoon that president biden, of course, stepped aside and vice president harris and minnesota gov tim walz talk that afternoon. she had many phone calls that day, we reported at the time, i believe it was about 100 phone calls, but he was one of them he's a former chairman of the democratic governors association. he was sitting on the rules committee for the convention. this was someone who was a player in the process that was their first conversation. and then a campaign really was underway for the last 15 days or so. one of the most accelerated campaigns that we can think of as the search what's going on,

any plan from the walls camp was for him to be everywhere and anywhere. and as helpful as he could be. and we do know now of course that he coined the phrase weird. he called a donald trump and some republicans weird. this wasn't a new phrasing. he in fact has been using this for several years, but it got renewed tension and democrats increasingly became sort of captured by his his animation. so that is what led to this decision. but this didn't happen in a vacuum. of course, for a time, she was considering many other people as many as six people were seriously vetted, perhaps a few more and she met with him on sunday at the naval observatory in washington. she talked a lot about chemistry. she wants to pick someone who's a governing partner, of course, to govern, you must win and that is the central question here. what does this decision due to her chances of winning, hitting that 270 mark pennsylvania, of course, where we are where she

will be later today. those 19 electoral votes are so important. governor shapiro, of course, also important to that equation, how the democratic party comes back together after it's pretty abbreviated, but still pretty divisive process. that of course is now the vice president's burden. this is her party. >> john jeff zeleny. thank you. so much. let's go to mj lee now, mj lee, you've you've had a little bit of time, just curious if you have heard anything about whether or not an initial phone call is going to be made or if they've made the official one, which of course has to be coordinated because it's it's done online and they want to be recording it as it is happening. any sense of what's happening there yes sara, as of a few minutes ago, i was told by a source familiar that vice president kamala harris had not yet placed that phone call to minnesota governor tim walz yet, but just the huge caveat that that could have changed in the past few minutes while we have been on air. >> obviously, this is a very

fast-moving situation, but the important thing is that we can now report news that her pick is minnesota governor tim walz, one of the three finalists and one of the two finalists, actually, as of last night, but we have been talking about sara just to put this in the bigger context for folks who are tuning in this is a pig by the harris campaign and by the vice president to go after these midwestern rural, moderate white voters, particularly in the middle of the country, these are voters many of whom had swung away from democrats. and to donald i'll trump back in 2016, also in 2020. and it is a choice that is squarely aimed at the blue wall states of the harris campaign and formerly the biden campaign he had talked about so much at that attempt to try to engage and when those obama to trump voter by choosing somebody that really can't speak roughly. two rural america. now, in terms of what kind of a

governing partner tim walz might be for vice president harris something that we have been talking about a lot has been top of mind for her as she has been going through this deliberation process. he is somebody that she can pay potentially say, go up to capitol hill and talk to these lawmakers that you are going to be so familiar with because remember, he is somebody that before he was governor served for more than a decade guede in the house of representatives. he is somebody that she could lean on to be savvy in washington, dc and in that way, it actually is quite close the model of the barack obama choice for joe biden back in 2008. now the other thing that i think we have to talk about is whether we end up learning how much this ended up being a vibes pick for kamala harris. i was just told by a source familiar that in the vetting process, one thing that the vice president was parked particularly impressed with with the minnesota governor was this sort of happy go lucky

warrior presence and sort of a joyful present. there is a reason that tim walz went from being the darkest dark horse to be one of the finalists. and of course, now the pick as her running may it is because a lot of people have noticed that sort of down to earth likable quality to him, a number of people that i have spoken to throughout this process they have said that he is just a blast, but he has been to be with we in fact reported a couple of days ago that president joe biden has enjoyed spending time with them so much much so that advisors have joked. could we find a way to get the minnesota governor to spend more time with the president. because every time he does that, he seemed to be in a great mood. just one other your final thing that i do want to note and i'm just going to turn off my phone alarm, here. that is going off. sorry about that. >> i one thing i will note is what an incredible contrast we have have now on the democratic ticket with kamala harris and tim walz on it at the same

time, we have