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the each and every day for all you are. you still have yet to do thank. you i'm going to tell him what to say michigan. >> this has been a big week on monday. >> i officially became the democratic nominee for president of the united yesterday. >> i announced my running mate in this camp and as you just heard, he has an incredible

record as governor of the great state of minutes and to those who know him best, some people are just getting to know him. but i'm going to tell you, you got to know him real quick because he's incredible he's a serious, serious man. he has been a serious leader and he loves our country. and you know, i've talked to some of the people who know him best, like his wife when into glenn tim walz is husband is kids hoping gusts? he is dead to his fellow veterans. he is sergeant major walz to the people of southern minutes soda for 12 years. he was a congressman to his former high school students. he is mr. walshe and his former high school football players. he was coach and in 90

days the nation will know coach wall by the title vice president it is so good to be back in michigan and listen, i am clear the path to the white house runs right through this state when your help we will win in november and i know we're all clear about what we are up against. as many of you know before i was elected vice president before i was elected as a united states senator i was elected attorney general. and before that, elected district attorney. and before

that, i was a courtroom prosecutor vice president kamala harris in detroit, michigan then is speaking at a rally beside her new running mate tim walz, the governor of minnesota she is in michigan tonight after being in wisconsin, this afternoon, after being in pennsylvania last night there you get a sense of the states that are crucial to this democratic ticket. >> i should note cnn's jeff zeleny is in that hole right now along with thousands of screaming people, we'll get to jeff very shortly with me here right now. trump 2016 deputy communications director bryan lanza, also, natasha alford, senior correspondent for the grio and cnn political commentator, van jones. actually, jeff zeleny in the hall. i just want to get a read, jeff, of what it's like there with all those people in the crowds in general for this new ticket john, the campaign says this is the largest rally that they've had. it certainly seems like that to me there are

thousands of people gathered at this airport hangar here spilling out onto the tarmac. and that is where vice president harris arrived tonight on air force two using the powerful trappings of office. and those powerful images as well. she's stepped off air force two with minnesota governor tim walz to the adoring chance so there are crowd and now she is making her case here, why she believes the it's time to move forward. now, talking to voters in this crowd, they are excited. there is no doubt enthusiasm is at a higher level than there certainly has been. and you can perhaps hear right now, the crowd is champ is shouting lock jim up, lock him up. >> that of course has been a refrain about former president donald trump, of course, with memories of what was shattered at trump rallies in 20 16 about hillary clinton, lock her up, but vice president harris is putting a bit of a spin on that she said, no, no, the courts will take care of that. >> she said we need to win and no so clearly trying to

capitalize on this enthusiasm, even as republicans are trying to brand this ticket as too liberal for the country so john, this is an entirely new moment in this campaign 90 days until election day in november. >> all right. jeff zeleny in that hall right now, we'll let you keep watching before you get in trouble with any of the people right next to you? van, do you? this is the type of audience that joe biden won getting they were audience very few people in american politics ever gotten and will ever get. >> this is a phenomenon kamala harris has become a cultural phenomenon there are people who are literally trying to get tickets like its going to see a taylor swift concert or beyond, say, event something is happening in this country that i don't think anybody predicted literally just two-and-a-half weeks ago when democrats were on kind death watch for democracy talking to our therapist's three times a day and here we are with joy

breaking out all over the country it telling you, i think people are seeing the kamala harris that's so many admired for so long. and because she wasn't running for president, she was doing the work, you know, maybe behind the scenes, but now you're seeing the charisma, the comfort at the podium, and the way that people react to her. she people see themselves in her in different ways. and i think also tim walz people see themselves in him. think of all the titles kamala harris, just listed, coach, husband, father, servicemen. right. so basically they're saying this is an america where americans can see themselves even with our differences. >> i will note these three events have been very similar. the pennsylvania event use a lot of the same language wisconsin event using a lot of the same language as we're now seeing in michigan. brian, just one last question about the types of rallies before we get in some of the substance of what we've heard today. donald trump cares about crowd size. i mean, he's got to be paying attention to what's been happening on the ground for the democrats yeah. >> but he's also paying attention to the facts like remember the big rally in

atlanta that the harris campaign had last week, by the time harris spoke, that you have the crowded disappeared because they use celebrities to draw the big crowd to get them there to take the photos that say, hey, this is a big crowd size and they perform. we've also celebrities leave the crowd, leaves. so i think you sort of have to add tresind trump's smart enough to know that it's been inflated, not by kamala harris, but by the celebrities that are trying to prop her up. >> well, okay. look there are a lot of people right now in michigan and wisconsin in some of them waited for hours to get there go ahead, van was amazing to me is at the door on trump rallies now is when when donald trump comes out, people start leaving. >> in other words, there's something is happening here where you want to talk about crowd sizes and who leads and who stays. people used to come and down trump rallies. you're donald trump now, they come for the entertainment and when trump comes they walk out that's that's, that's what we haven't seen celebrities in philadelphia johnson, or michigan today. but brian, i do get what you're saying there. i do want to talk about some of what we've heard today because van, one of the main attack lines from the trump campaign

has been on the way that governor walz handle the response to the chaos, the protest, the riots in minneapolis after the killing of george floyd but there was new audio that came out today of donald trump praising governor walz at the time, listen to this really awful. >> it was incredible base. they and dominate and it happened to me again, i was very happy with the last couple of days, ten you called up with some big numbers. >> knocked them out so fast, it was like a bowling what does this. >> do, to that discussion? well it's ironic maybe he should have taken, maybe donald trump's, they're taking notes from tim waltz when there was an insurrection happening in washington dc and donald trump did nothing. so i don't want to hear republicans talking so much about what happened in minneapolis when their own precedent that they are so in love with, sat by and let an

insurrection happen in the middle of that joint session of congress and that same guy he loves so much actually, thought tim walz did it get did a great job. >> john, can i just say something about the george floyd situation? i mean, we've seen reverend al sharpton come out and say that tim walz handled that situation. well, we know that tim walz, listen to george floyd's family, he actually intervened and made sure that the state prosecutor took over from the county prosecutor, right. so these are steps that i think showed the listening that he does or the empathy that he has for families. and i think that's actually going to reflect well on him, not negative brian. >> i mean, listen, that's all nice. revision is history, but if you look at the independent report that came after what happened in minneapolis, they're extremely critical of the governor. they said he basically froze, was derelict of duty for three days before the national guard came in. so yes. ultimately, tim walz, the governor, was able to get it right after three days of abandon in the city and watching it burn, watching a police station burn, watching

businesses go up in flames, watching people get attacked violently. and finally, he stepped in. so sure president trump is praising tim walz for doing something they should have done on day one that took him three days to finally respond. but let me let me sort of bring it back to the reality here, where we are, where now on day you were in 24 hours after this guy been announced. and now there's real questions about his military service and how he first ran for congress, how he said he was, he was returning from afghanistan, which he actually never served in the military in common that's so i don't know. i think from my standpoint, this this this pick appears to be a disaster if there's real questions about his military service and you have people who know him best, his platoon kept as the people who is with they're the ones being critical of his military service. so i don't know i view this or 24 hours into this knotty conversation harris campaign wants to have about their vp nominee, sort of misleading his military service because that goes to a question of character. and she can't have any more questions about her care, right, brian, let's do this. >> let's play what j.d. vance said about that. then we're going to walk through what some

of the facts are here and how they correspond. so listen to j.d. vance when the united states marine corps, when the united states of america asked me to go to iraq to serve my country. i did it. i did what they asked me to do it and i did honorably and i'm very proud of that service. when tim waltz was asked by his country to go to iraq, you know what he did. he dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him so he has the timeline off. they're his unit deployed to iraq in july of 2000 he retired in may of 2005, months before then it typically you would have to put your papers and even before officially retiring any file for congress february. >> so that was the sequence of events there. though he was not with that unit. he had served with when they just saying that's just that's just the timeline. that's just the time he give you the time because the reporting is the timeline is is that tim walz received information before those orders take place but there were going to go to afghanistan and the timeline based on reporting

api, other people in minneapolis who probably haven't more direct access, they were talking about that notification came in in early january of that year. >> so it may have not been an official notification that the governor had, but he certainly heard at it through his commander schiff, through his leadership position that what the new timeline was going to be, and he did retire. >> all right. again, the timeline that we have is that february files for congress. may he's retired he would have had to he would have had to put in the papers before that in july is when the unit deploys on this part of this discussion van, where do you see it going? >> well, i think it's kind of stupid. i mean, he's basically it's been 24 years serving his country in the military, which i don't think anybody here, including the critic that we have on air can touch that record and he's just start with that and then he says, i haven't served enough. i want to now run for congress to serve more. and you runs in a red district and he wins and he continues to serve. so i think the problem is he lied about nothing wrong with that i'm sorry, you've had a chance to

it's a lie and smear and do stuff you've been doing. i get actually wrong. you're absolutely wrong he like there's reporting that he said he ran he didn't understand there's different point. finishing then we're going to take up that next point there's a different point about there get you. but it is absolutely clear and our reporting is it clear that he decided to run for congress before you? what's called up before his unit was called, he was never called them. >> the only thing that brian is talking about here is a video that was surface actually by the harris campaign we're walls talks about guns. he's talking about how he supports basically assault weapon ban and how he doesn't people think he should carry them and he says roughly and i'm sort of paraphrasing here. people shouldn't carry these weapons, weapons that i carried in war. now, in a point of fact, tim walz never did serve in a combat zone. he did serve in italy in support of operation enduring freedom. he

did not serve in a combat zone itself though his language may have led some to believe that he did natasha. so is that language in itself, how problematic do you see that? i think that using the term carried versus saying that you were actively in combat are two different things, right? >> and so i think that he's a thoughtful person and i think that he's been very clear that he wasn't an act of combat. i come from a military family, right this this sort of attack feels very partisan and nasty and beneath this is not the sort of conversation that you would expect from one veteran to another. and the veterans who previously did criticize tim walz, one was running against him, right? he was arrival. so they were political reasons for bringing this up. their political reasons for bringing it up now. and i think all he has to do is point to the service members who have gone on the record and said he was brave and that he it was a leader at the time. >> brian, i promised him to let you have a say on this after the break. we're going to take a few minutes here. next, what voters in wisconsin made of

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paris and this is cnn this is a live look at detroit, michigan are rally right now for the new harris walz democratic ticket the vice president kamala harris, is still speaking. >> i believe somewhere in front of that crowd. this is her third rally into days, pennsylvania, wisconsin. and now michigan. it is notable j.d. vance was actually in wisconsin at the very same time as the harris walls ticket, which we'll get to in just a minute. back with me now, bryan lanza, natasha alford, and van jones and brian, i did promise we'd come back to you on this discussion about the military record of tim walz listen his his record is fair for criticism. >> he's leaning very much into it, but listen, it brings a lot of issues. tell you why there's a photo of him during 2004 photo of him where he refers just himself as an enduring freedom veteran for

carry. the problem is, is the military the department of defense does not qualify him as somebody who's recipient of the enduring freedom title so either he misrepresented himself to run for office or he or the corrections now. but the problem is is he can't have it both ways. he can't claim that he he served in combat and in 20 years later when it's any convenient, say, oh, is just no big deal. it goes to character and that's a problem for the campaign. the fact that we're talking about it more and more people gonna be talking about it. it's not what kamala harris wants to be talking about brian is talking about it and there's no question that, that republicans are talking about it. >> i do. i know it's all it is all over social media, vance. so to that point, do you think this is something that the campaign needs to address in a bigger way than they have yeah. look so clean up. it's conceivable that he's been loose with his language or said stuff that doesn't mean there's people are human beings on these campaign trails and so, but now he's running for a major position if he needs to clean it up, clean it

up the reality is, if he said one or two things are said, some things that turned out to be maybe a little bit just sloppy fix it because he's got a gazillion. people were willing to stand up for his character. he's got gaetz students who are willing to stand up for his character. he's got people he served with one samford's character. if this comes down to a character contest between this ticket and donald trump, we're going to win 50 states so let's just, let's just get this cleaned up and move on. >> so i was mentioning that in wisconsin j.d. vance was there at the same time as vice president harris and tim walz earlier today. and actually on the same tarmac as the plane. there planes were there together and tim walz just walked right over and spoke to the media and i think we have some sound of what he said i just wanted to check out my future play, but i also wanted to go say hello to the vice president and asked her why kamala harris refuses? why does she refused to answer questions from the media and taught you

how do you think that plays i think so many people will be turned off by this literally just the stocking. >> it's like donald trump walking behind hillary clinton during the debate. how dare you, right? this is the vice president of the united states. it shows a lack of respect and again, for women, this is, this is a huge election for women. women's rights are sense of selves, our sense of not having people control our bodies and not having people control us. and so that's, that's like stepping into her territory. it's it's it's this very the physicality the, of it is supposed to send a message. and i cannot wait until she takes that debate stage so she can she can fight back also she's only been running for president for two weeks don't forget. >> it's only been two weeks. she had to get the nomination. she had to pull our party together. she had to pick a vice president. she's been a little bit busy she does need to get in front of some reporters and do some interviews, but she's been a

little bit busy the past two weeks. you can't be too mad about that. >> van doge's tausche all for bryan lanza. thank you to you remotely really appreciate it again, this was the second harris walls rally of the day, the one you're looking at right now, the first one as we just mentioned, was in eau claire, wisconsin or j.d. vance did speak at a private event, our randi kaye was there as well speaking with voters outside both events what do you think about people sort of the two campaigns descending on eau clare, today, i think it's very exciting in eau claire, wisconsin or what do you want to hear from kamala harris? >> tim walz. >> oh, just the truth. peace, love, joy, happiness none fighting, no more divisiveness just positive energy two different campaign events. are you hopeful that the trump-vance team can win wisconsin? >> yes. >> and i think he is growing every day in wisconsin and two

very different opinions from voters outside the rally for vice president kamala harris and her newly minted running mate tim walz voters could hardly contain their excitement you'll land camila became the presidential candidate my whole being changed. i've been really sudden worried and fear. >> ai, now, you feel how hopeful, what do you love about governor walz? that he's down to earth? >> it's my own business and called the other people weird. >> i like that. >> what did you think when you heard that harris chose governor tim walz as her running mate? >> i thought it was a good move. i think he's he's well known around here and i think he's got the right attitude i just hope everything keeps on a positive trajectory and we can talk about what really matters for the people in this country here, i like his truthfulness and the things he's done for the state of minnesota are amazing but just about five

miles down the road at jd vance's event. >> these voters had nothing nice to say about harris or wolves. >> we can't go four more years much less for months. as we are now so we're hoping for a big change like trump said, if she gets in america is going to be a bloodbath. it's just we need to get trump in and bring america back grave again some zeroed in on walz handling of the riots in minnesota following the death of george floyd he let minneapolis burned down and he didn't call in the national guard and then she did eventually call him national. five days. >> okay. five days later. okay little too late. and then to say that it was peaceful and there was nothing peaceful about what happened there bank across town, harris wall supporters pushed back on trump's running mate, j.d. >> vance. >> oh, i read his book. i thought he was a different the

person when i read that book, but now he's shown his true colors and they were even less complimentary of the man at the top of the republican ticket. >> how do you feel when you hear donald trump say things about kamala harris? >> like she just recently turned black. >> well, it just shows what a horrible person he is and his he's races. >> it's just meant to kind of site and divide and i'm tired of that and i think a lot of people are as evidenced by the people here today. >> oh my god am i saw just the joy she brings and him is just positive. miami we've had section negativity for how many years since 2016? since the escalator incident? i'm just done my fed i think america's two and ready. >> kate isn't beautiful. eau claire, wisconsin tonight, ready with these dueling events, so many eyes are on that county remind us which way the county and the state of wisconsin has voted the last two weeks well, john, let's look at statewide first here in the state of wisconsin in 2016,

trump won the state of wisconsin. he beat hillary clinton didn't by a little more than 22,000 votes. but then in 2020, wisconsin turned blue again and joe biden beat donald trump by a little more than 20,000 in votes. but then if you look closer at this county where we are eau claire county, trump is oh, into in this county, he has lost this county twice. in fact, in 2016, trump got it about 43% of the vote and hillary clinton took about 50% of the vote. and then in 2020, trump again got about 43% of the vote. and joe biden got about 54% sent of the vote. so we'll see what happens this time around. we'll see if kamala harris and tim walz can keep okay. clare county blue. and if they can bring home a win here in the state of wisconsin that's it county. >> clearly the democrats native tried to run up the score a little bit. randi kaye, thank you so much. >> coming up how these vp picks reflect on the person making them and how they have played out in the past, the two men who helped craft the message and strategy of the clinton-gore campaign back in

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celebrity iou season premiere monday night at nine on hgtv you know what, if you want donald trump to win then say that. >> otherwise, i'm speaking that was the vice president just moments ago in detroit responding to a heckler. now we cannot hear what was said according to cnn's jeff zeleny, who is they're about eight protesters took part in the moment, just one part of the larger moment we've been seeing, which is the unveiling of a presidential running mate. it's always something of a rorschach test for voters about the decision-making he abilities of a potential future commander in chief. take a look at how several of them played out this is the next vice president of the united states of america, senator al gore of tennessee so i'm proud to announce that dick cheney a man of great integrity, sound judgment in experience is my

choice to be the next vice president of the united states i am very pleased i'm very privileged to introduce to you the next vice president of the united states governor sarah palin of the great state of alaska that's vice president of the united states of america joe biden a walk through history there. now, bill clinton selection of al gore, the first clip you saw there was steam kind of unusual at the time they form the youngest team ever to make sure the white house both were from the south. both were also members at that time of the party's more moderate wing. two men who helped make that winning election possible, join me now, james carville and paul begala all right. first of all, i have to say the twenty-year-old political junkie in me would have been so cite that one day i'd be talking to both of you

all at once, so thank you for that. james, let me start with you. when bill clinton take al gore as his running mate was kind of doubling down on young new democrat the south, the future. where do you think that tim waltz big now that we're one day in, where do you think the harris campaign is placing? it's bet with that well, first of all i think that they feel like this guy's got an incredible resume that we've traditionally had. >> weaknesses would say people i've watched football that military people that an effective government thinks ligament like a vitamin, honestly every, time i find out something new, i kind of like to go more, but they clearly we weren't looking more for generational change and that work for us. but maybe she was looking for something else and hope it works. i think it might. >> we're looking at pictures. paul, right now, the two of them on stage together and we saw pictures before of bill

clinton and al gore on stage together and you guys had them out together quite a bit in 1992 for the famous bus trip and everything else, how much do you think this campaign should it have the vice president and governor walz together while they campaign i think more than i would have recommended a week ago there is something there there's an outcome there's chemistry. >> it's real. you can't fake that, believe me, i was on those buses with bill clinton and al gore and hillary and tipper and we laughed our butts off. we had so much fun. i'm serious. it was authentic by the way, these are two men didn't know each other very well. >> clinton and gore. i don't know that governor walz and vice president harris knew each other very well before. but sometimes i think this is only the second time in my career. i've seen it first was clinton-gore, you see this this pair becoming greater than the sum of its parts. my own sense is that vice president harris's first she passes the first test. could this guy step in? >> god forbid there's no

question that someone who is served 24 years in the military, 12 years in a congress, six years as governor is ready. >> but then second, would it be a good governing partner? and i think you're seeing in that in that energy together did the answer is yes, but then third, look we'll he helped me reach out to voters that james is talking about. >> you know, guys who work carhartt, jackets and shoot 12 gauge shotgun and dozens as somebody who does both those things, i think it's a really great pick that way. james, you were one of the earliest. it i think the loudest voices this suggest that president biden need to jump, needed to step down, needed to stop running in the election. now that it's happened, now that it's a few weeks in and you've seen how the harris campaign is running. how do you think it's going, and what's your warning to democrats about maybe whether they're experiencing a sugar high right now well, first of all, i think the campaign so far hadn't been very long. >> it's been flawless and i

love to critique from the, announcers boxer. well, i think they could have done this better. i think so far. what i've done is been almost flawless i just take this lunacy i started david axelrod what on this network and said, you've got to be careful as races essentially tied in an idiot progressive side started attacking david for what is the factor race is essentially tied. we could lose it. we don't put you know? but don't be on a sugar high, we got hard work to do and we've got to continue saying that we've got to continue to protect people like david who are out there telling the truth against these foods have never been around a political campaign and the whole life paul and dark it back in 1992. another thing that you guys did was rapid response, right? i mean, any little thing that came up us tried to swat down pretty quickly and frankly, a lot came up and you had a lot of swatting to do. i guess my question to you is, when we see now the questions being raised

about the military record of governor walz, when you see phrases and i'm going to say this out loud, republicans are calling him tampon tim for the fact that he signed a state law that manteia mandated menstrual products and girls and boys bathrooms was an accommodation to transgender students. when you see these, how do you think the harris walls campaign should respond? >> counter attack there's this huge myth and it goes all the way back to do caucus campaign. >> oh, democrats lose because they don't respond i think mostly because of james carville, the 1992 clinton-gore campaign change that we didn't simply respond. we counter attack right? and i'm quoting my best friend and partner here. i was telling your producer before we talk every single day and has for 41 years and james, as you say, it's kind of hard to talk on that, fix this in your mouth, right? >> so i'm governor hit him madam vice president, make them here's the thing. i checked the rulebook we are allowed to attack them and let them worry about responding to us. and i

think frankly the vice president and governor walz have done a terrific job because he use ridicule these ridiculous just hair on fire, hysterical. they're hilarious. >> and i think that's the way that look, that's what you take out a bully is with ridicule and a governor was right when he said, look, that just weird. and i think that's terrific gentlemen, i have to say it was every bit of the dream i thought it would be when i didn't imagine this 20 years ago 30 years ago. >> thank you very much. thank you, john. >> thank you. >> thanks, buddy all. >> right coming up more breaking news three taylor swift concerts canceled after fears of a terrorist attack hey, you singing this was the one you're telling me you can get directtv. >> good stuff and you don't need a saddle like dish i used to love doing my business on most things. you're one sick pigeon, then dishes kept the rain off our beaks. we just have different priorities

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authorities say new detentions have been made as well, with us now are chief international security correspondent nick paton walsh and former cia officer bob baer. nick first to you, what more do we know about the plot at these concerts specifically? who was arrested, and how they allegedly planned to carry it out yeah. >> not a full picture, john, but some key details. there's a 19-year-old austrian citizen now here has been arrested in down of nets about an hour to the south of the ernst happily stadium venue, where taylor swift will thursday, friday, and saturday they performed in front of about 65,000 fans. those concerts are off but the search of this 19 year-old's home began in the morning stretch through the afternoon involved local media says about 60 nearby houses being evacuated, essentially, police worried about the chemical substances they were finding there, essentially precursor but since for explosives and seemed to be clear that they believed the focus of all of this was the swift concerts.

now, later in the day in vienna, another arrest occurred. we don't know much about that arrest. police saying the investigation is ongoing and they don't want to release details, but they also said they had been further detentions that puts us to at least three at this stage, all focused on taylor swift, the 19-year-old, and the second person arrested, having both being radicalized by isis online the 19-year-old taking the extraordinary step online of pledging his allegiance to the isis leader as recently as the end of last month so startling frankly that someone at that age is drawn in purely over the internet. >> john, whole thing is startling. bob security has been increased that the cancerous before the decision was ultimately made to cancel them. so what does that say to you and how challenging is it for authority to be sure that they have all the alleged plotters in custody. >> well, john, they can't be sure. right now. they're they probably are detected these people online in chat rooms. but how big the network is,

they don't know yet. this is why they've canceled. and if they thought they had arrested everybody, i don't think they would have. and i think it was beyond aspirational and these cameras i don't know what they are. acetone peroxide. these are the normal bombs for the islamic state so i think this is fairly a serious threat and don't forget john, that this won't be the first in concert attack. there was manchester 2017, there was paris 2015, and this year there was moscow these are symbolic targets for the islamic state and as tension rises in the middle east, i think we're going to see more of this nick, you've just been doing reporting on how isis is radicalizing young people. is there anything that you learned that you think could be relevant here yeah. >> look, i mean, 100%. this follows a very chilling pattern that we've seen european counterintelligence thorough counterterrorism investigators gather, over the last year or so according to one study, we've reported on nearly two

thirds of the people arrested in europe in the last nine months have indeed been teenagers. and so many of them have been radicalized online through social media platforms like tiktok, who say they do all they can to prevent that on their resource. but essentially, the research suggests this is algorithmic amplification as the phrase known, you maybe start looking at something relatively benign and then get dragged deeper by the algorithms into more extremist content. and then perhaps off that platform into another one where you maybe in a chat room and potentially approached by an isis recruiter in today's plot police did say that some of the communication occurred through encrypted communications. so all the signs here, teenagers, social media encrypted means as well. and isis in the mix too. >> real concerns to john about the return of what they call the directed threats. >> and that's not just people deciding to do something and

then claim they were part of isis afterwards. this is an recruiter, an organizer reaching out, finding someone to do something and then suggesting a plan. john whole lot going on here in bob, one of the things that authorities said is that two suspects, at least at undertaken what they call concrete preparatory measures for a terrorist attack. >> so what do you think would fall under that category? >> well, any means of mass murder in one of these concerts like we saw at chant manchester, it could be weapons, it could be chemicals. ultimately, taylor swift as well, protected a getting to her would be very difficult, but disrupting one of these concerts would be enough. and all you need is one suicide bomber with one of these fests and the detonators are very easy to make it home. and the chemicals are easy to boil. and that's that's probably what they're looking at. that these are the first reports, but again, it to cancel these cars. these three days of concerts

tells me it was a real threat. >> look, this whole thing deeply troubling. hopefully we'll learn out more, learn more in the next few days there, nick paton, walsh, bob baer, thanks so much to both of you. still to come. a cnn exclusive, more than two years after the school shooting in uvalde, texas, the former school police chief pete arredondo facing felony charges for the botched law enforcement response as 19 children were murdered is speaking to our ed lavendera next his response to those who consider him and others cowards work play plank relief. work, way, blanking, really, the only three and one extended release formula for draft yes. that's how you make

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enforcement officers or officials to be criminally charged after the after the deadliest school shooting in texas history. arradondo just spoke on camera with our ed lavendera. this is a cnn exclusive what do you say to those critics? and a lot of them are fell law enforcement officers who say, you guys didn't handle the situation properly. and many people who as tough as it might sound, consider you guys are cowards with the way you act that day. >> i strongly disagree and again opinions vary, sir. and they're going to but i can tell you that probably 100% of those people hadn't been in a situation like that before. >> do you feel like you guys are being singled out scapegoated and by all means, since the very beginning, sir, i've been scapegoated from the very beginning. >> nearly 400 law enforcement agents responded to the robb elementary shooting scene on may 24, 2022 our redondo has now been charged criminally for his actions that day, facing multiple felony counts of child endangerment. he and his lawyer, paul looney, sat down

with cnn and spoke for more than an hour about the shooting. i keep thinking about what are the questions that the victims, families would want to ask you. and i think ultimately it all boils down to is how come officers didn't go into that room sooner. >> right? >> what do you say to those families? >> if you look at the bodycam footage, there was no hesitation and myself from the first handful of officers that went in there and went straight towards the hot zone as you may call it and took fire. and then at that point, we worked with what we had the protocols of as i understand it, of active shooter training is you go after the gunman and you focus on the gunman until he or she is taken out that didn't happen in this case why not we can again, you can't see what's on the other side of a wall at that point, what you're supposed to get through that wall right? >> right. you can't you can't see through it. first of all when we are shot at and we

backed off to think, okay, now we know where he's at because we didn't know where he was at. that's when we took fire and backed out and realized, okay, now we need to come up with a plan to get back up there. >> if i show you a couple of videos eclipse, would you mind? i'd love just as we watched them, i'd love to get your perspective on what i'm sorry by rather than look at video clip, sir, i just don't i just i just don't i've kept myself from that it's difficult for me to see that these are my children to people to understand that we went down the hallways every day and stressed about keeping doors locked stressed about being vigilant and the last i see of those three, i don't have to the better for what the body cam video clips that are done to refuse to watch show. is that on that day in the hallway at 12:09 p.m. he said he knew there were likely victims in the room with the gunman it seems extreme has room i'm going to verify what's been vacated backs before we do any kind of reach or cyber in that

moment when lives were at stake, why did you think time was on your side? >> i don't recall making that statement. i'm sorry there's some things that you don't recall what you're in the hallway as we've watched bodycam footage of what happened and how those 77 minutes unfolded. inside robb elementary you're on those tapes constantly giving orders to other officers before we do any richmond fairly the sense was is that those officers were deferring to you as the lead officer. so why shouldn't you bear the brunt of the responsibility of how all that unfolded? >> sure. it's natural for me to give direction with what information you have while you're in there. again, limited information. was there on the inside police permission or don't do now claims there were state police officers from the texas department of public safety who arrived after him.

>> should, have set up an incident command post and taken control of the scene. >> the guidebook tells you the incident commander does not stand a hallway and get shot at incident commander, someone that's not in the hot zone and is in another location for friendlies nobody, answered do you think you made any mistakes that day again, that's a hindsight statement. i you can think all day in second guess yourself. i know we did the best we could with what we had and by ran into that building and not leaving there and doing what we could are doing, what i could and with the other officers could it was the best we could with the situation we hadn't information wow, our ed lavendera is with us now in it just just wow, what a discussion to have at any point did error dando it's expressed remorse to you know, he thinks that he says he thinks about what happened that day. >> all of the time the wife of one of his cousin's was so one of the teachers in that

classroom who was killed, he understands the impact that has on the community, but he also balances that with a great deal of frustration he shouldn't with what he describes as the early narrative put out by state troopers, that he should have been the one taking control of that scene. so that clearly weighs on him a lot. and we'll be a major factor of the criminal trial that he's facing here in the months ahead, we should point out that we've reached out to the department of public safety for comment, but we have not heard back. and we also asked arradondo and his lawyer if that trial that criminal trial that he is facing will take place in uvalde or if they will ask for a change of then venue. and his lawyer told us that right now they're inclined to keep the trial not ask for a change of venue to have that trial in uvalde. so that the people there can hear what pete arredondo has to say during the course of that trial, john 11 dara for us in tech side to say that was an incredible discussion. thank you so much the source with kaitlan collins