happens? but wait, you will play this tape back. >> okay. >> well, when next door waltz know who is she i'm sorry. >> and schultz, because that would be the wrong sergeant something very different. >> someone named lil pump. it's rapper. yeah, we've got our first defection says he's leaving the united states. if kamala harris wins usually it's the liberals saying that if so and so they're going to leave, they never do they never do. but she's already having an impact. >> i will by little like a year into soundcloud ramirez. that's spirit. it's giving but i'm here for it name, name a little pumps this. >> will back a nation yeah.

okay. hey, everyone. thank you so much here. thank you for watching. laura coates live starts right now well, donald trump tries to reclaim the spotlight, but his comparisons and his insults may have just shined a light on his own political flaws. >> will any of that be enough to slow the rise of kamala harris plus the military mudslinging worsens as governor tim walz's national guard record is facing new scrutiny. my exclusive interview with the veteran who oversaw walz when he retired and the new pitch from da fani willis, fulton county, georgia, da pushes to keep her case against donald trump alive and she says she's the one who should prosecute him so before 2:00 this afternoon, you might i have been asking yourself, is trump

mia, from his own campaign? i'm just one rally scheduled this week and senator j.d vance on the trail more than the top of the ticket. all i'm time when kamala harris has blitzing critical swing states along with her running mate tim walz while today, some kind of alarm must have gotten off inside of his head and there he was. so we tried to do what he often tries to do and hijack the spotlight gathered reporters at mar-a-lago for a news conference and naturally, they obliged they're likely waiting to hear from a political candidate talk to you about, well politics, gangs, but instead of drilling in on policy and what he would do if he were to get back in the oval office he went after harris personally and repeatedly doing and we have leadership that she's not doing any news conference. you know why she's not doing it, because she can't do a news conference. she doesn't know how to do a news conference. she's not smart enough to do a news conference. she hasn't done an interview. she can't do an interview. she's barely competent kamala, who by the

way, is worse than biden and she's actually not as smart. i'm not a big fan of his brain but i think that she's actually not as smart as he is. i'm very happy to run against. i'm not complaining from that standpoint. >> well, for someone not complaining. matt got ugly real quick. and when you piece it all together, reported across the spectrum suggests that harris is rise seems to have really unsettled trump and the campaign he's increasingly it seems upset with her surging poll numbers. and hey, it's a legitimate concern for trying considering a new poll shows harris four points ahead of him. now, his campaign though, is trying to project a sense of optimism, claiming that harris rise is really just heard for getting back biden voters who had soured on the president. now i'm not exactly sure why her getting more votes would be soothing to a campaign, but okay but still, it seems to be getting under trump's skin in a dead giveaway. the rambling about his grievances, including

a familiar phrase about crowd sizes civically. the crowd size from his january 6 speech the biggest crowd i've ever spoken. >> i've spoken to the biggest grads. nobody she. >> his great speech. and you look at ours. same real estate, same everything. same number of people, if not, we had more i i know you just keep back claim and dreamland and to be clear, there are just some things that you never quite think you'll ever have to fact check. but mlk is i have a dream stage drew an estimated quarter of 1 million people. the january 6 committee put trump's crowd size at about 53,000. >> now, if you're wondering how harris is responding to all of this, her campaign is throwing some shade with a statement crossing out the

words, press conference and writing public meltdown instead. >> now, we did learn something very important. trump saying that he is committed to three debates with harris in september, only one of those confirmed with abc on september 10. now, harris says that she is this open to the others lab that he's finally agreed to a debate on september 10. i'm looking forward to it and hope he shows up or you open to more debate? >> i'm happy to have that conversation about an additional debate or after september 10 and as for trump's claim, but she can't give an interview i've talked to my team. >> i want us to get an interview scheduled before the end of the month to meet with me tonight shelby talcott, politics reporter for semafor. jason osborne, former senior adviser to trump and carson 2016 campaign and lulu garcia-navarro, cnn contributor and new york times journalist and podcast host i don't want

to lose what she just said, the end. by the end of the month. okay. this is august and the end of the month is likely what labor day weekend you've got some states early we voting and other temper six, and you've got less than 90 days from today, an actual election. hulu, i mean, this idea of her not having interviewed before then strikes me as odd. does it to you? >> it does. she should be giving interviews. she should be doing press conferences. i mean, i'm a member of the media. i'm a journalist. so you will never hear come out of my voice. you know, no, you should not do this what the campaign though thinks is that this is a kind of maybe a bit of a loser for her. she doesn't want to face tough questions. she hasn't been terribly strong in one-on-one tough interviews in the past. and so right now, she has momentum and i think what they're thinking is, is this something that actually is going to benefit us? but what i would say is that if you want to be the leader of the united states, you have to sit down and answer questions. i mean, we represent the people and

people have actual legitimate questions for her that she should answer. >> that's one of the things that the trump campaign will be touting. write that we've recently seen him at the nabj conference. he will say that that was somehow hostile territory for him and he went anyway. now i will say that i went in front of the press and i took questions and where is the vice president on these issues? but if that was the goal to just be present, maybe that's enough, but it's present and substantively answering questions. how do you evaluate his performance today? did it move the needle to actually accomplish his goal of being there and substantive? >> look, i think anytime trump gives a press conference, does it ever move the needle one way or the other? i mean, the fact of the matter is that donald trump is the same person that he's been since 2015 when when i was on dr. carson's campaign, that he was during the entire presidency, he would get up there and do these types of press conferences he's not going to get up there and talk policy. i don't think there may have been a handful of press conferences where he actually did that during his

entire tenure what he's doing i think is just drawing attention to the fact that, hey, i'm here talking to the press. i recognize that the press plays a valuable role and i'm going to try and grab the spotlight said earlier and take it away from kamala harris, the danger. i think on kamala harris isn't so much that she isn't ready for the interviews, but the longer that she waits the more important that first interview becomes. if she doesn't knock it out of the party, if she doesn't exceed expectations then i think there's some real problems there additionally, i think right now she's writing this huge wave of not only grassroots support and reinvigorating our base, but she's got a lot of the media on her side and kind of helping her along. not not that i'm saying that it's wrong but at a certain point, the media does turn on you and they're like, wait a minute, why aren't you answering these questions? i think she's honestly her campaign is afraid because she's going to have to justify switching from within 24 hours in peoples minds. her positions

on fracking, her positions on defunding the police are positions on the border that is a real problem. and i think the longer she waits to be, i also think that on the flip side, the longer she waits is potentially bad for donald trump's campaign. and that's why we've seen him make this massive push to sort of force her into talking to the press because they have a really limited but at amount of time to define the vice president. and that is made more difficult when she doesn't answer questions and when she doesn't take difficult questions, right now, harris his campaign is able to define her entirely and so in donald trump's campaign's eyes, if she goes and does a really tough interview and starts taking questions that sort of potentially helps them define her because they view her as not being as good but i also i think this campaign is so much different than 16 and so much different, different than 20. >> why their ads in what

they're doing on this, on the trail, the campaign itself is so much more disciplined and their ads are so much more effective than they weren't 16 and they were in 20. >> but today, i mean there is a lot obviously, he's he's in the press today. people are talking about him but it's not for like, but what i'm saying, i mean, the thing is you're saying he does what he's always done, which is true, but it is not 2016 anymore. and it is not 2020. and he is visibly deteriorating. i mean, he seems less coherent he seemed more enraged. he told a story about being in a helicopter and there was a crash and, you know, there's there's all these about the willie brown congress are willie brown conversation. and that ended up i've been completely false and the problem with this is that, you know what i'm hearing from people is that they're tired of this the show in parlance he might understand the show's gotten old and so people are, i think other than his real

supporters are tired when you look at kamala harris and the difference you remember with biden, biden used to say, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. will trump is facing that now, don't compare me to the almighty. compare me to the alternative and people who are looking at the alternative and they see someone who is vibrant who is going out and giving a message and who is knew. >> i wasn't i want to hear your point. that's been except he's also comparing himself and talking a lot about biden still i mean, there was a moment he talked for a long time during the speech. are the conversation with the press today, we are nearly a month away from when biden announced that he was not running for reelection keras has been the top of the ticket. i think what for 24 days presumptively at this point in time, but he was almost suggesting that and going back to him, being sympathetic character, all of a sudden to trump that he wasn't didn't juana leave. why do you think he is focusing on biden? is it because there is not the opportunity to now define harris without the interview? >> well, i think it's twofold. i think one of the reasons is

the campaign has been trying to tie harris directly to biden. and biden's policies and saying, listen, i know you have a new candidate to vote for, but she is essentially the same as joe biden. she is responsible for all of that. i also think though, of course, he had an easier time with joe biden at the end of the day. and so there is sort of this missile the stall job of how the polls were a month ago and now the donald trump's campaign maintains that this is the harris honeymoon and that once voters get a sense of who she is, it will revert back to that joe biden era of polls but certainly it's frustrating for donald trump to be in this position. when am i he was on more solid ground, everything was there for them. they understood who they were running against. they understood his record. people were unhappy frustrated experts i actually increase exponentially increase that and it seemed like donald trump was on the path to victory. >> and now this is completely

thrown a curveball, and they are cleared truly stumped with what to do and why do you think he's asking for i want to hear witness. he is the one calling for a debate. now, maybe it's reverse political psychology, right? i want to do and debate you and to make you here is datum available? meet me there behind the different points at 3:00, but i do wonder about that whole plan, this debate schedule. i mean, there's possibly three debates in the month of september. again, early voting is sprinkled in between hey, that she's committed to one, she's talked about having an interview at the end of this month. >> who do you think would benefit most from this debate well, first off, let me address the previous one. i think there's two things at play here with the trump continued to bring up biden first off what he wanted to defeat the guy that beat him and show that he won, right secondly, i think him bringing up and tying the harris to biden the policies there that's a good approach. and also it's speaking to the

people that were upset that biden dropped out. there's still that small group of voters on the democratic party that are like, wait a minute. what we'd like joe biden because he was more moderate than camila. and so he's speaking to them and then on air and what they're doing on out in the states is actually addressing some of those issues of what was bad about biden policies. and then the next wave i anticipate is going to be, it's going to be even worse under comma to your point on the debates, i think i think trump. we all know how trump trump style is going to be on the debates. i worry if i'm a democrat, i worry about you've got kamala harris, who is now was not prepared to run for president i'm not saying that she's not prepared to be present. i'm just saying not prepared to run for president. this is a snap election the amount of intelligence that's going to happen or not intelligence policy, briefings that are going to have to go into preparing her for debate is going to be pretty insane because she hasn't been part of that discussion for the most

part so a debate for trump in his mind and his advisers are probably thinking, we can be here on this because she's going to slip up. she's going to revert back to the what she did during the primary in 20 20 and talk about things that wait a minute. that's not where the democrat party is today. >> well, visors historically do not view harris as a good debater. >> said that today, yeah, that's true or not. i mean, we'll have to wait and see everyone standby because i think there is unfolding a bit of a double-standard that's going to come up i mean, she'll be effective to talk about policy and he will not talk about it. and she'd be held to account for not doing so and beyond a lot of interesting communists ahead, president biden, though praising democratic vp pick whilst tonight saying that he is the real deal. but the minnesota governor is facing new questions over his military service record. a veteran who was walking also superior in the national guard joins me to tell his story. next we're

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own colleagues. >> what's your take on that? >> and i praise anyone as presented themselves to serve our country. and i think that we all should what presumptive democratic nominee, vice president kamala harris, responding to growing criticism over her running mate, governor tim walz, his decision to retire ahead of his units deployment meant to iraq. >> a new cnn kfile report shows that similar accusations were made against him in 2006 during his first run for congress. now, here is actually what we know was filed paperwork for his congressional bid in february of 2005 the following month, the national guard announced a possible deployment within two years. he retired in may of 2005. although it's unclear when he submitted his retirement papers now, two months later, his unit received deployment orders to iraq joining me now for an exclusive interview, retired command

sergeant major of the minnesota national guard doug julian sergeant major, julian says that walz knew about the schedule deployment to iraq and went above him to get approval well, for that retirement, sergeant major, thank you for joining me this evening. everyone is really focused on the nuance of this specific civic issues. so i want to pick your brain on this because you gave an interview to the washington post where you said, i'm going to quote nobody wants to go to war. i didn't want to go, but i went the big frustration was that he let his troops down. now, he was entitled to retire after 20 years of service. i think he served 24. why do you suggest that he let his troops down? by exercising that choice to retire there's a number of things out there and hopefully i've got time to present this whole sequence of events to you tonight, laura reason being is that there's so much stuff going on out there that people don't really understand the concept or the the chronological events as they

occurred. >> and i'm a kind of start back in the fall of 2004 is what we received my camera commander or myself of the first brigade, 34 to infinity infantry division for grade combat team. what's called a notification of sourcing, which is a knott's. >> we were informed that we would be alerted to go to iraq within the next upcoming year for time periods out there, start preparing your team, getting your team together, and let's get let's get the process in play from that going forward, we met with the one of the one to fueled artillery introduce ourselves, talk to them and give them a heads-up. >> just what's happening we don't know a full particulars. but we will get to it in approximately february of 2005 my boss, my commander, colonel and the command team we scheduled a meeting. i can't prevent minnesota for meeting and getting everybody together. so all the battalion, certain majors, the battalion

commanders, and the chef we'll get to see each other and kind of start to team-building event in that concept, there at that meeting was governor tim walz are starting major tim walz at the time when we had the meeting and it was over with he asked to speak with me and we supposed sat down and spoke one-on-one and that's where he informed me. he says, just to let you know, i have put a bid in for congress i have not been selected yet. i have not been nominated yet but i just want to let you know okay. you give me a warning order which we call a warning order but there the following month in march 2005, could have been april. gear to take them one phrase in there we had another meeting at camp ripley that time, tim walz was there. >> we had our meeting. everybody was talking about who, what, when, and where we are going to be doing, what our mission she was coming up to be, how we were going to handle it and all we need to build a team again, this whole time period we're doing what's

called building a team to go forward to iraq after the meeting, tim walz come in and sat down me i think because i had talked to him before and said i need to know what his answer is at that time. he came in. we sat and talked he told me says i have not been nominated. i am going forward with the battalion. so good. let's go we've got the team built and we're starting to build the team up there a month lapsed or a little bit more lapsed. and in june, we went to camp roughly four are meeting again and then i walked into the team meeting hall and tom mirren's was there and i asked him what he was doing there and that's when he informed me that he had quit the issue that came out of this was first of all, how did tim walz quit without discussing with me because does next here using the word i don't want to see excuse me, sergeant major, i wanted to be precise in the language you're using the word quit. you mean that he had

opted to retire still, is that right? he had not somehow gone awol or bins salman's. we discharged instead opting to retire. okay? >> yeah. i mean the terminology that came to me was he quit and went from there and yes, he opted. i'm going to i'm going to backup two seconds. he opted to retire, which i found out at a later date in june here's where he went to when i found this out. it at that meeting my focus is to build the team. let's go forward. we'd better. >> yes the other issue all it was is that the individual that approval? >> this was to hire to levels higher than myself and the enlisted core. and shouldn't have had tim walz come back to me and talk to me about this and discuss this as to why he was going forward now are not going forward no after you've already told me he was going forward i understand sergeant major now thinking about that

timeline, i think it's important the way you've laid it out because it sounds as though yes, he was entitled to retire. there was a protocol where he was supposed so go to you, you say it's for that approval, but there was somebody he went to instead of you which is caused some level of consternation, but you in a way that he's handled how he decided to retire. i do wonder what you make of the way his retirement is being characterized. now by political figures and others who were saying that somehow he has stolen valor. number one, or that his retirement was an abandonment of his duties. how do you feel about the experience that you are describing to us? that's right now being described as political talking points the real thing is, is at the level that he held at that time, which could have been either a first surgeon, but he was conditionally promoted to i'm answer ever major. he knew the rules or the policies or the procedures and the manner of how to address issues going

forward. if this would have been an early entry level ranking individual different shore, we would understood that token. he didn't understand the processes and procedures. tim walz knew the processes and procedures. he went around me and above and beyond me and went in basically went to get somebody to back him to get him out of there without there was just a backdoor process that he handled against me or against the thing the battalion out there there was that it's oh, go ahead. but i do want to ask this question quickly. sergeant major, and i appreciate your time but is your concern about the manner in which he did not speak to you? are his decision to retire, which she as we've talked about, he would have been entitled to do which causes the most concerned because that is the focus that so many people are wondering about whether he has done something wrong in service or don't have been personally to offend you know, he did

something wrong and services i stated before, he he knew the policies and procedures and how we go to leadership and address issues or discuss issues and concerns out there again, backing up, he told me know, i'm going forward. we're going to go with the battalion and go from there so i'm under the believing he told me he was going forward. i'm underneath that were leaving that he's going forward. >> he went around me which he should have addressed it with me, so we can help do some things out there farage, they may is really leaving excuse. >> me. i don't want to cut you off but fears your point, please. sergeant major he went around me in the fact is is that this possibility he probably would have realized i would have probably know it's too late. you're going for it because we'd already received an order notification of sourcing and there's one other little bit out there that people say, well, he hadn't been notified yet. yes, he had been notified. now there's another step out there is

what's called stop-loss. 90 days prior to the actual deployment, we received our orders and at that time is what's called stop-loss, where if you're in a position you're going forward here regardless, unless there's some really major or processes gets you off from not going on to deployment itself. >> so there's a window of opportunity and our people said we never knew he was going forward. >> yeah. he knew he was going for had he gotten his orders yet know at that time you had not. as far as being a command sergeant major, he is soon as he retired or i'm going to go up to term retired, which he did which and he was eligible after 20 years to get a full retirement he was taken out of the academy at that time here's another thing about well, it's hard to major. >> i do want to hear that i do want to hear we have to say it's hard to major. i know i want to be sensitive of your time and your audio is beginning to break up just a little bit, but i do want to thank you because i think

you've clarified a lot for people people, and given more information the question now is how the voters will evaluate it. and sergeant major doug julian. thank you so much yes. >> thank you i should note are so has reached out to the harris-walz campaign for comment and have not her back and continue right. >> carries with the panel. who's here right now? we heard a lot from the sergeant major. this the topic that people have been talking a great deal about. some were very offended that there are, there's a veteran in dispute happening and that it might feel as i was just honoring those who have served our country honorably to focus on perhaps nuance. i wonder from your perspective, lulu, when you look at this issue is this the vehicle to undermine his candidacy i mean, the country is getting to know tim waltz and part of what the harris campaign has really pushed as his bio this idea that he served in uniform.

>> it's also meant to be a counterweight to his opposition and j.d. vance, who was also in uniform, who did serve in the theater of war and so i do think there are questions to be answered when you hear that testimony i do think that it is credible. i was someone who covered the iraq war in iraq for about a decade. i was not in service. i was a journalist, but i lived in iraq. and so i do know that it is very meaningful two people the kind of service that they gave, what they did in these conflicts, how they are perceived, and so i don't think the use of stolen valor is i'm respectful to someone who has given service to this country, but i do think that there are questions to be answered. jason i think look, you're talking this issue is going to matter a lot to the folks it's that are in the military or were in the military. it's i don't know if it plays to those that weren't. but that is a huge group of voters there. and those are

voters that vote early because whatever their duties are, they vote early, they vote probably starting september 5 they're going to look at this and they're going to, they're going to understand the nuance much better than someone like me who didn't serve in the military. i had family members that did, but i don't i don't know the language. so i sit here and i listened to this and i'm compassionate for both sides of it. quite frankly, i really like tim walz but this is an issue that, that campaign and tim specifically will have to address to the military community. i did notice that they changed the bio on the website no longer said it's command sergeant major, but you have to be incredibly careful in how you define yourself in your bio when it comes to the military and how you express what you did in the military i mean, we've seen a lot going on this show. >> what her j.d. vance? yes. i mean based upon we spoke about this on his plane yesterday and he maintained that this is something in his eyes that's going to stick with veterans

and even non-veterans but there is certainly making it a really big deal and it is a complicated issue. and the other thing that i'll note is i'm told on harris and that this did come up in the vetting process and that walt's himself brought brought it up because it has been brought up throughout his political career. so this is not necessarily knew we're just seeing it in such a big light because he's now running as a vice president, right so this is something that he has dealt with before soda which is, you know, that's one state out of 50, right? yes it's really these states. >> were you mentioned? yeah. >> i mean, but that's fine. wednesday for you. but it do they stay for the rest of us. thank you so much. all of you for being here. it is interesting. the other is a big elephant in the room. the last time we heard really military service be brought up, it was to insult donald trump for the bone spurs and now to be used

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case, arguing that her relationship with special prosecutor nathan wade was a conflict of interest. willis argues it had zero impact on the case. and special counsel jack smith, he wants a delay in trump's federal election subversion case, saying that he needs more time to parse through the impact of this supreme court's immunity decision. with me now, former da in dekalb county, georgia, gwen keyes. gwen so glad you're here. i'm going to pick your brain on this issue because in georgia i want to begin back in march, a judge ruled hold that fani willis could stay on the case if nathan wade resigned, he did that. but then trump's team appealed the ruling and the state court of appeals pause the case in june. now, da willis is now arguing that the trump team, quote they were unable to provide evidence to even demonstrate a coherent theory of the conflict. how strong is da willis has argument to stay on this case?

>> there's many of us that think it's very strong. the burden in this particular argument was on the defendants to be able to establish some sort of conflict of interests. and the trial judge, after three days of testimony where he could assess the credibility of witnesses decided that they had not met their burden this is an important point because the fact-finder, the person who's receiving the evidence, oftentimes obviously, the appellate court is not going to second guess their perception of credibility findings that appeals court can't do those very things. >> the timeline, of course extends and it's not just respect to trump and trump's team. every other party and defendant on this case is impacted by this decision, right? >> that is absolutely true. so the argument and again, the da filed her motion today. they're most likely will be a reply brief filed, and then there's an argument before the court of appeals in december. i think it's believed that they may come to a decision sometime by march of 2025. >> and remember shani yourself

is on the ballot go and let me ask you as well, and turning to another major case, special counsel, jack smith, asking to delay trump federal election subversion case because of the supreme court's immunity ruling so how does he move forward with the supreme court ruled that trump may have some broader immunity over official acts so if you go back and look at some of the oral argument on the case, there was a back-and-forth about different types of activity that would be private activity and therefore, outside of the supreme court's definition or umbrella of presidential immunity, i'm not at all surprised that but mr. smith is taking the time to really parse through and find those areas where he and his team believed that they have enough evidence to go forward because they would be considered private acts contrary to the supreme court's ruling. >> so in terms of a timeline there, i mean, there's going to be a kind of a mini trial of

sorts for the judge to decide what might be official or unofficial, what timeline are we working with if jack smith himself says to delay it? >> well, again, i think all of us are watching the calendar, watching the clock. i don't think any of us thought that many of these cases would be delayed as long as they have been, but i think the most important thing is this sufficiency of the evidence and ensuring that justice is done that is done with the integrity that is required of cases of this import so that all citizens can have confidence in our criminal justice system an important point the election can't be the calendar justice has to be the calendar. >> gwen keyes. thank you so much thanks for having me ahead. >> vice president kamala harris tries to navigate the israel gaza war on the campaign trail. >> but will she be able to tonight even a divided democratic party plus sprinting

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thousands of people to withhold their vote from biden in protests are the administration patients backing of israel at the talking with harris, the group then released a statement it suggested that harris was open to meeting to discuss an arms embargo the harris campaign flatly denying that claim today, writing vp has been clear. she will always ensure israel is able to defend itself against iran and iran backed terrorist groups. she does not support an arms embargo on israel. she will continue to work to protect civilians in gaza and to uphold the international humanitarian law. let's break this all down with new york democratic congressman gregory meeks is also a ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, thank you for joining me tonight. that was a bit of a reminder for everyone that there's no such thing as small talk or casual moment on a photo line if you're running for president, is there that's

correct. >> thanks for having me, laura, first and that's absolutely correct. but the vice president was absolutely correct in what her statements we will make sure the united states is going to stand by. israel, make sure that it has as what it needs to defend itself against iran and hezbollah. and the houthis and other iranian individuals who aid and abet though that is also though she has been clear that she needs to president and prime minister stefano, we need to have a ceasefire and to be able to reduce the tensions that are taking place in the middle east. >> so we're going to make sure you, know that part of my job as the ranking member also to make sure that israel has what it needs to protect itself, but will also want to make sure that in the hostages are returned excuse me. >> i hate to interrupt you. i'm sorry about that, congressman, but i hear what you're saying and of course,

we've read the statement from the campaign. do you think that she herself needs to come out to state specifically where she stands on this issue through an interviewer or otherwise, given that this has now been presented and teed up frankly, for critics of hers to try to undermine her position well, i think our position hasn't changed we know her position. >> she said that she was being very stern and on a promise netanyahu, that she wants a ceasefire she's also said she is going to make sure that israel has everything it needs to defend itself against iran and the houthis and hezbollah. >> so i see she's clear. she answered those questions i mean you could ask them again, but i think he get the same answer and you can do both. you can try to make sure we bought the hostages home that are being held in gaza. but we also want to make sure that those who don't believe israel has the right to exist, israel will

have what it needs to defend itself against those hostilities. >> he's taking such hostilities congressman, there is serious concern that iran may retaliate against israel following the assassination of hamas leader in tehran. now, israel has now ever accepted or denied responsibility. but what role would the u.s. military play, if any, in israel's ability to defend itself well i can tell you that the administration right now have at least three people on the ground include and then not including the secretary of state who's also there was a he would be the full tried to do everything to de-escalate the situation in the middle east so that we don't have an all out war because that would be something that would change, would be devastating for everyone on in the middle east? well, from the middle east to venezuela, we are as a member of the american electorate looking at other elections as having a potential impact on what's happening here at home. and in venezuela, there are

widespread allegations and strongman nicolas maduro stole a recent presidential election. the country's opposition party leader is speculating that if maduro is able to cling to power there could be an influx of millions of migrants to the united states. so we look at this issue, obviously immigration top of mind, certainly with association with vice president commonly harris. how do you think a harris presidency would deal with a surge like that well, first thing that we need to do and i think that this is what president biden is doing. >> quite frankly, laura, i've been on the phone myself talking to various parties and neighboring countries like colombia, mexico, and brazil. that is really important. he is again, when president biden and multi-lateralism becomes really important. so that we can have a peaceful transition of power and as secretary blinken has indicated in his statement from all indications mr. gonzalez

has the majority of the votes. >> if that's all true and maduro still clings to power and there's an influx of migrants coming from venezuela that would obviously exponentially increase the concern at the border how is the harris administration if she were to be elected president? do you have confidence that they could effectively deal with that influx yes, that's why you worked with the other countries also, you worked with colombia, you worked with mexico, you work with brazil, you work with pogrom because all of the countries will be affected by that, that scenario and, you know, and if in fact we were able to pass the bill that congress needs to step up to do because a lot of this responsibility is the responsibility of congress. >> a comprehensive immigration reform that we thought we had a deal on, that donald trump blocked that is the way that you can increase your border

security. you change in the law that regards to giving up yourself for amnesty all of that is included. they ran that is not something that a president can do by him or herself congress has to step up with an agreement and do our job and not play politics so as as donald trump and some of the republicans have been trying to do congressman, you can imagine immigration top of mind, all across this country. and the globe. in many instances congressman gregory meeks, we'll be continuing to watch what's happening in venezuela. thank you for joining joining us today thank you for having me next. he tested positive for covid and then he ran the 200 meter race in the olympics anyway. and noah lyles, he came away with a metal that story in just a moment do i see you have pro massaging ball? >> easy to grip the massage and the power of two match strength pain relievers has worked for

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blockbuster day on the track in paris. noah lyles lined up for the 200 meter final, hoping to become the first american man but when both the 100200 meter in the olympics and 40 years. now, he fell just short, finishing third, but immediately after the race, it was clear that something was wrong, allows laid down on his back. he was struggling to catch his breath he called for water and was eventually taken off the track in a wheelchair. will later we learned why lyles tested positive for covid on tuesday morning. now, in these olympic games, athens are not required to test or report covid cases. and despite his illness, lyles said he never considered dropping out will tomorrow. he was set to anchor the four by 100 relay, but he is now saying that he believes his olympics are over writing. >> i hope everyone enjoyed the

show. now, we do have a great thing to look forward to tomorrow though. >> tomorrow, the youngest american runner to ever compete in the olympics makes his big debut. quincy wilson will be running the first leg of the four by 400 relay. and in case you didn't even more reason to tune in, just listened to what he told me just last month i'm running for my bigger brothers. >> everybody is older than me, so they're my bigger brothers and i'm running for my wife. i want to get around the track for the team usa to bring you he team usa back the gold well, good luck. >> quincy will be cheering you on. hey, thank you all for watching anderson cooper's 360 is next tonight on 360, the former president meets the press embraces the debate with vice president and harris. >> he shunned just days ago. and it gives a lot of facts, the cold shoulder we are keeping him honest. also, someone who served in the