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that both parties see is winnable in november, while former president has it been donald trump is in montana's state that could decide control of the senate. and major developments in trump's legal cases today in georgia, fani willis arguing her office should be the allowed to continue its case against gauff in a new filing while prosecutor jack smith asked to delay the federal oh, election subversion case until september and ukraine hits russia hard, a drone strike launched on a region in western russia just days after a rare crops us border attack. >> we're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central the 2024 presidential race heading west today, vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz, taking their pitch to the battleground state of arizona, with a rally later today in the

phoenix area, it comes as cnn is learning that next this week, president biden will make his first formal appearance with harris since he dropped out of the race and endorsed her. >> in the meantime, former president trump is also back on the campaign trail. one day after holding a press conference that included numerous false and misleading claims. tonight, he holds a rally in deep red montana state that he won by 16 points in 2020, it's trump's first campaign event in nearly a week, and his first rally since he finally recommitted to a presidential debate with harris next month we have cnn's eva mckend joining us now from glendale, arizona, or eva, what should we be expecting here brianna, they are here in this southwest, the harris campaign to try to reach the diverse coalition of voters that helped the democrats power pass victories they'll talk tonight about reproductive rights. >> they will have to aggress immigrant address immigration.

here in this border state. and they say they have the infrastructure to reach these voters, young voters, latino voters. they also picked up a key endorsement today from a latino civil rights group that is a league of united latin american can citizens. and the vice president is up with a new ad really leaning into her working class roots and humble beginnings. let's look she grew up in a middle-class home. >> she was the daughter of a working mom and she worked at mcdonald's while she got her degree kamala harris knows what it's like to be middle-class it's why she's determined to lower health care costs and make housing more affordable and brianna, earlier, this summer when i was speaking to the immigrants rights activist group living united for change, arizona lucia, arizona. >> they were telling me that it will be difficult to make the case for president biden as they were knocking on doors especially in the wake of him leaning into enforcement policies. but they tell me now

that they feel a renewed sense of hope in supporting vice president harris at the top of the ticket. and especially because she tapped governor walz as her running mate, they tell me that it's signals to them that we are going to see a progressive no nonsense presidency from her. so they are hoping that arizona delivers big, they're going to work to achieve that. they've already knocked on 100,000 doors. their goal by november to not going to million doors brianna, i really indoors. alright. eva mckend, live for us from arizona. thank you. and let's go now to cnn's kayla tausche with more on this upcoming joint appearance with president biden and vice president harris kill, what can you tell us about it? >> brianna, next week's event in maryland will be the first time that president biden and vice president harris formally appear together since biden exited the race nearly three weeks ago, the white house says the event will be focused on lowering costs, which aides say is one of the four pillars that

president biden is going to focus on on his during his final months. in office. but it also is consistently the number one issue cited by voters. their top concern, of course, is the cost of living. now, harris and biden appeared informally on the tarmac at joint base andrews a couple of weeks ago welcoming hostages home. but this is the first time that they are going to share the stage since harris ascended to the top of the ticket and in her public events, she has gone to great lengths to thank biden for allowing her to take the role that she's in now, here she is a couple of months ago and i know we are deeply, deeply grateful to joe for his lifetime of service to our nation. >> and we thank you, joe biden the each and every day for all you are now it comes as the harris campaign is trying to assess exactly how to wield biden as an asset going forward, not a liability as he

was in recent weeks for the democratic party specifically david plaats, who is a new senior advisor at the campaign, said on cnn in recent days that biden has strength with older voters and suburban areas. >> and specifically in the state of pennsylvania where his reputation as scranton joe carried that state in 2020, but he's kept a low profile in the last couple of weeks, allowing harris to step in the spotlight. so we'll see how they choose to use that appearance next week and what the message will be. brianna yeah very curious about and kayla, thank you for that report. jessica alright. >> let's get now to the trump campaign's cnn's kristen holmes is joining us. kristen, the former president headed to montana for a rally a very red state when it comes to presidential election not a state for presidential. there is a very important senate race there. but why montana for president trump? >> well, he was asked about this yesterday. i had asked him why he wasn't campaigning a battleground states he brought up the fact that he was going to montana, wyoming. he has a fund-raiser there after this montana trip saying that he

doesn't have to be there, which is true, but that these are very critical senate races. in particular montana, it is one of the most expensive senate races we're going to see it. it's one of the only races in which the incumbent is a democrat running for reelection in a state that donald trump won by a wide margin. so maybe it is very important for donald trump to be there because he is widely popular in montana to boost up that candidate, tim sheehy, and to try to raise money for him as well going into november. but the fact remains the same. there are concerns on the write, his own allies of what he is doing to campaign. if you talk to the campaign, they say he's still doing stuff, even though he's not out on the trail. obviously, this creates a split-screen when we see kamala harris on one side with tim walz, really blanketing these various battleground states. and then you have donald trump at mar-a-lago he did, one event last saturday in atlanta, georgia, and then he's going to montana tonight. clearly not in those battleground states, but they say that he's reaching out to op and audiences in a different way. he has done a number of interviews. he's reaching out to both

conservative media as well as streamers he's doing podcasts. they believe these micro targeting a specific group but again, you now have this split-screen as we're going into a campaign. and if you're looking at a traditional campaign, he should be on those on the battleground states you should be crisscrossing the country. so the big question is, is this travel going to ramp up? what is this going to look like? >> and will the strategy of reaching out to various groups through interviews instead of necessarily hitting the campaign trail as hard as he did in 2016, pay off in the end. yeah, it is it is interesting and the shift ever since biden got out of the race inherence is n and she's competing at such a faster clip than biden completely different, which is a very different race. all right, kristen holmes, thanks so much. >> let's discuss this further with cnn, political commentator and former special assistant to president george w bush, scott jennings, and also with us democratic strategist and senior adviser to bernie sanders 2016 and 2020 campaigns. >> chuck rocha, looking very hawaiian in his floral shirt there it's great to have both of you, both of you here with

us today. happy friday to you guys. scott, let's start first with you. the harris is out. the harris campaign is out with a statement calling trump, quote too lazy to campaign he didn't swing states. trump said he's not going there because he said, quote, i'm leading by a lot. that's not exactly true. those battleground states in most of them are pretty tight. harris, even ahead in some of the recent polling should trump change his strategy here, or is this the right one? scott? >> well, i'm sure he's going to campaign where he needs to campaign. he's in montana tonight, which actually is a big deal for the republican party because that's probably the senate race. that's most likely to put the republicans in control of the senate next year, no matter what happens in the race for the white house, trump in a press conference yesterday, it made national news. you can debate whether it was good news or bad news, but he is it's campaigning. and if you want to make an attack that trump is too lazy to campaign because he's not having rallies and swing states. i guess we could make an attack that kamala harris is to something to hold a press conference or answer questions

about her record, her time as vice president, her positions when she was running for president, which she now through anonymous, flak says she's changed in doing so. i guess i guess the campaigns will have a for tat on that about who's, who's actually doing what they need to do to assure the american people that there would be a good president for the next four years and chuck to you think the vice president is doing what she needs to do right now, do you think it's time for her to sit down and an interview like that well, i think he's been doing an interview with the american people. >> she is desperate and we're desperate as democrats for her to get in front of as many swing-state democrat, independents and republicans. but she need to stop and do an interview. sure. she could stop and do an interview, but as somebody who's actually run a presidential campaign, the way that you get out in front of people as you go to their states, you have around ali, the press covers that rally, and you're literally taking the message there and to your earlier reporting, the infrastructure people walked by that comment too lightly having infrastructure in a place like

nevada and arizona and pennsylvania mean something because you have grassroots organizers going out, having conversations on behalf of the campaign at people's kitchen table, and that their front door that is gold for a political consultant like me and means way much more than just sitting down and having some interview with a big reporter scott yeah look, they don't want to answer questions. >> i mean, there's a lot of talking and here's the bottom line. they don't want her to sit and answer questions. and if you look at our tv ads now and you didn't know anything, have you just landed here on a spaceship and you knew nothing, you would assume she's running as a republican. i mean, she's out here running saying she's throwing criminals in jail and getting tough on the border. he got walz out here saying he's going to take the second amendment. you'd think these people were running as republicans when in fact, there are record is way left of center, way outside of the political mainstream. the bottom line is, they don't want her to have to run on any kind of policy agenda. this campaign is an avatar. it is a vessel to just stop trump. their main thing is being president is nothing more than not being

named donald trump. that's what they're platform is. i don't think it's enough, but we'll see if she can get away with it. it is a shortcut. >> i mean, scott, i'd love to see her take questions. can i ask you though? is it? isn't it trump's job to frame that and when he's not out there campaigning often, which seems sort of unlike him, the pace she's going at here right now. i mean, he could be doing that yes. >> his job is to frame the campaign and he had it down against biden. it was strength versus weakness. they relentlessly prosecuted that case to successfully they handed him right out of the profession. he'd been in for 50 years in this case, it's pretty obvious what the frame is. common sense conservative versus radical liberal? that's the frame. and it is, it is up to him to frame this race. i don't think he particularly did very well at the press conference yesterday, but that's the timeframe in which they have to operate and they also have to remind people that kamala harris has a job vice president of the united states. she's sitting right next to joe biden right now. and the american people aren't happy

with the direction of the country that's his job. he does have to do do it and chuck, just quickly before we let you go. oh, go ahead i was just going to say look upset on the same stage with scott and talked about and give credit to donald trump when he was going up in the polls and emitted that he was going up the post even when he was sitting in a courtroom. >> now, what kamala harris is doing is going up in the polls trump is, going down. and so what she's doing is working if we're going to give donald trump credit for doing something, right, at least with polling and public perception, two months ago, you got to get the vice president credit for what we're doing right now because she's going up in the polls and we can't just sour grapes against that all right. >> scott jennings and chuck rocha, it's great to see both of you. thanks again thank i'm still still ahead, special counsel? >> jack smith asks the judge for more time in the the election subversion case against former president trump that request was just granted one new details coming up, plus our interview with the national

guard member who served with governor tim walz. see what he has to say about the attacks on walz's service record. >> and russia and ukraine trading strikes overnight with ukraine watching and drone attack on an airbase inside russia anytime russia targeting a supermarket inside ukraine, the latest on the escalation there as ahead on cnn news central cnn is live from chicago as democrats unite to offer their support to a new nominee and her running mate fellow cnn for complete coverage, the democratic national convention starts monday, august 19, on scene cnn and streaming on back there, back verizon small business days are here. >> august 5 to the 11th. get a free check check, and special offers like a free 5g phone when you switch don't miss out gets started today shop for original items under $50 to get you ready for college even if they're not choose from

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month's supreme court ruling that granted trump's substantial immunity. from prosecution. the decision left smith's office scrambling to put together their next steps in the case. we have cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid here with us quite the about-face from jack smith's team. here. they've been pressing to get this trial started as soon as possible. >> yeah, this was a surprise not only to us, but also to the defense attorneys. i learned in speaking with sources that there have been multiple calls i'll sit between prosecutors and defense attorneys this week because the judge had asked them to at least try to align on some of this, find some common ground. but look, there's no love lost between trump's attorneys and the special counsel so was it a surprise that they really couldn't find any areas of agreement? but it was shocking that prosecutors revealed that they needed more time because as you said, they have been the ones pushing to try to get this case to trial before 2024. now that is not going to be possible given the supreme court's decision. but the fact that they don't even know exactly how to proceed see you didn't they need more time to consult with other components at the justice department? i mean, that's just that this

supreme court decision has really had maybe even a greater impact on this case. and we've appreciated because not only did the supreme courts say, you can't charge trump for official acts. they've also said, you can't charge him for unofficial acts. and use any official acts as evidenced. so that could potentially be a conversation that he had. all of that has to be litigated, but fact that prosecutors don't even know how to lay out a roadmap at this point that's really surprising. this case still exists, trump still faces these charges. but at this point it's really unclear what will ultimately result from in this case and projecting a bit into the future though, once this election is over, what kind of role does, does trump's either win or loss in the election play in this case? >> i mean, that's really going to be the game which they played very well so far right? the whole game was to get everything delayed. if you can, until after the election. obviously that didn't happen in manhattan, but trump, even if he's reelected, he can't make that case go away. but the two federal cases, if he's reelected, they're gone. his attorney general will dismiss those, whatever remains of the

georgia case at the state level that will likely be john is you can't prosecute a sitting president, right? and then it's unclear what have is that manhattan case? they're also reviewing that conviction in light of the supreme court's decision. but if he is not re-elected, it's it's also not exactly clear what happens these cases will continue in some form but it's going to take a while to really litigate and go through the process of trying to figure out what these cases look like after the supreme court's decision. so it'll definitely be as i've said, many times, a lawyer full employment act. just to figure out where did these cases stand? but it's a lot clearer if he is reelected, they basically all go away. yeah. a little straighter era. there all right. paula reid, thanks so much. and let's discuss now with former trump attorney bill brennan phil great to see you. thanks for being here with us we just heard from paula they're kind of laying out this newest information. she was saying they played this game very well. trump's attorney he's able to delay, delay, delay until we likely get some outcome from the election. do you think that it is all gone according to their plans as well well i would say

that it's certainly when you are the defendant, it certainly is. >> in your favor to have delay. i mean, there's the old adage, justice delayed is justice denied, but not necessarily when you're a defendant. and i suspect that there may be some dissension between the office of special counsel and maine justice on how to proceed because that's sweeping ruling by the u.s. supreme court has a lot of daylight in it. there's a lot of subjective interpretation for the three tiers of immunity trinity laid out by the supreme court. >> yeah, i did want to ask you about that because again, what paula was saying was just the impact of a case we knew was deeply impactful and very important with the supreme case ruling on that on immune presidential immunity, but it we're really, it seems really starting to see the rubber meet the road in terms of how this is actually playing out in these cases. he says, as they

tried to figure out what it means and how to proceed well, i think there's no denying that there's been wide ranging ripple effects in great impact the proof is in the effects, the collateral effects has had not only in this case before judge chutkan, but the case in manhattan before judge merchan, you'll recall that that case was scheduled for sentencing, i think on july 11 and that's been postponed a couple of times now, i think there's a date in september and i believe judge merchan's order said something akin to sentencing, if necessary, we will occur on such and such a date. >> so i think everyone from the bench to the prosecutors, both federal and state, to the defense where's are trying to interpret the supreme court

decision in light most favorable to their own interest and back to that federal case, judge chutkin had really want she got it back, was trying to push ahead. >> do you think it's possible they get to that before? for the november election or do you think it's more likely that that gets pushed to the side everything is possible, but it's extremely unlikely virtually impossible, i would say because we're now in the midst of the election season. >> it's august 9. >> i think the election is in early november, maybe the fifth. >> i just don't see how with the delay that just occurred, and that's just a really talk about theories on how to proceed. i don't see how it could be brought to trial in any realistic dick, just fighting the calendar pages in any realistic way before november 5 all right. >> bill brennan. thanks so much. we appreciate it thank

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running mate, senator j.d. vance, who also served our nation deployed to iraq as a marine again, accused walz of ducking service in iraq by leaving the army national guard and running for congress in 2000 well, we haven't heard yet from walls, some of the soldiers that he did serve with are coming forward with those allegations. i'm joined now by retired command sergeant major joseph eustis of the minnesota army national guard. he is a 32 year veteran who served with governor walz in the same battalion for about a decade. joe, what do you think about the accusations that you see being leveled at walz? >> well, the accusation about him skirting his duty are running out as battalion i don't find that to be credible. in this light the timeline for the whole deployment to deploy, you need a nasa and a sourcing order and

those things came after he chose to retire all right. will say everyone will say he should have known or did he knew all as we knew at the time, was there was a rumor we are going to deploy and i can tell you that sense when the iraq war started, the roar came up that every unit was going to deploy. and that does become true. but you don't deploy on rumors. if you need the nonce, which didn't come till july, and you this sourcing order that didn't come until august. if he knew i didn't know, i've sat in the same chairs him when he got ready to deploy in our last deployment i didn't know any sooner really than the rest of the unit new. >> so, you know that part of the conversation i think is baseless joe, to be clear you don't see eye to eye with walz

on politics tell me a little bit about that and why you still thought it was important to come forward and talk about this well, that's true. i don't see it in any of his politics. >> i disagree in with many of the things he's enacted as governor. >> and those things that i felt like i said on a different show i'm really not defending tim walz. >> i'm the fending. what i know about a soldier who i served with from what i know about him in the situation saying that he is a trainer or shirt, his duty in my opinion, is an unfair assessment of what took place i think if you want to attack him on other levels of his record and that stuff have but i don't think it's fair to take the 24 years that he served and try to decide

that he didn't serve honorable or if he did something he shouldn't have done. that's just not fair and i know that you asked him around that time, why not? so you were talking about it. why not stay in the guard while running for office or being in office? what did he say to you as i recall he knew or figured that if the rumor became true and we're going to deploy someone who tried to get him on serving as he would have been a congressman he didn't want that to happen all right. >> so he felt and this is what he told me he felt that cutting ties with the guard and then running for office was the best route for him to serve in a different manner. that's really his reasonings were at least what he told me was that he was going to choose to serve his country in a different way. and

that was going to be in the house of representatives. >> if he got so again, i don't know anything other than those things if someone's going to speculate that he got out because of the rumor of an employment. >> well, that's just their opinion. >> we didn't know joe. >> he's been criticized as well for how he characterized the rank that he retained upon retirement, but also especially for saying referring to weapons of war that he carried into war, which obviously he did not what do you think about those criticisms well, those are all fair criticisms he stated that he carried weapons of war talking about doing some common sense gun control well, he didn't carry a weapon of war that statement is untrue. that's misleading to the american public. and when he had on his bio that he is a

retired command sergeant major that's untrue. all the rules. the rules are simple when you get selected, he can get promoted by signing up for the academy. the other requirement is you've got to graduate mark rozell has stage and then i believe in the guard, i had to give two extra years of service he didn't do those three things. so when you retire, you go to the next the previous rank. you help so he was never a retired command sergeant major although he does have the right to say he was a sergeant major, he did do that but he can't under the rules of the army retire as one and again, that's misleading he should have misled people on those two fronts what retired command sergeant major joseph eustis, we appreciate your time today. >> thank you so much for your service and also thank you to your face. family for their

service. you have five sons currently in the garden. i know you're very proud of them that's true. >> and i have other children suffered through deployments and a wife that had to step up and do those things so this is for my daughter, eve. i just like to give a shout out to her military service is certainly a family business. >> i know you're proud of all your kids, sir. thanks for being with us. >> oh, thank you, ma'am. >> appreciate it it. >> still ahead. ukraine goes on the offense launching back-to-back strikes against russia. the latest attack targeting an area housing hundreds of bombs. what this new strategy signals ahead on cnn news central the five things podcast. but from cnn today's top five stories all in one podcast, the fighting i need to hear in under five

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2.5 years ago, or even going back ten years when russia had its partial invasion of crimea in eastern ukraine rain and it's big and they've been in for a couple of days now. they've advanced several miles into russian territory and they're using not just special operations units or partisans inside russia to carry out these operations because we've seen some of these savages as your attacks inside russia before. some of these are regular ukrainian units as well as special operations units. i'm told which speaks to a bigger, more ambush, ambitious push inside russian territory. and frankly in an embarrassing one for russian forces, they stormed across the border, clearly caught russian forces off guard and they're doing some damage and they've, this has led to some surrenders by russian forces as well. so it is a it's a piercing of the russian harm or if you want to call it that i'm told that the intention here is in part to surprise and demoralize russian forces, but also to divert

forces from the eastern front down below, which has been a bloody and really difficult battle for ukrainian forces for months now, yeah, and we have ukrainian president zelenskyy speaking about these cross-border attacks. >> we can play that clip and then i want to get your thoughts okay. >> into muj the ukrainians know how to achieve their goals and we did not choose to achieve the goals in the war, russia brought the war to our land and should feel what it has done what do you, what do you think about that is basically his answer to russians who are saying, how dare are the ukrainians cross our border here in a bit of a reminder, wait a second. >> we got invaded and many tens of thousands of people have been killed. it's cetera, i mean, i think he's probably enjoying this moment to some degree, not not acknowledging necessarily what this operation is or what it's intended to do. but he's probably enjoying this and listen. that's not just a personality clash or an ego move. the eastern front has

been largely a stalemate for months now enormous losses on both sides, frankly and ukrainian forces largely been on the defensive footing. so here's an opportunity for them to say, we can do more in effect. >> and how much of this is the aid that's kicking in the f 16. i know that it takes him to get all of that and then running. but how much of that is a fact? >> it's finally reaching where it it needs to go. and i think people need to remind, it takes some time, right? when congress finally had that moat vote a few months ago, the stuff didn't just appear on the ukrainian front lines. it takes time too read prime the pump in effect and get those weapons and ammunition to the front line. now there is a sensitivity issue here, right. because the u.s has long said don't use us weapons to attack russian soil or russian targets fine to defend yourself you know, it's not quite clear if there are us weapons in great number involved. alban, this particular attack here, but that is definitely a sensitivity from the u.s. side

because they've long been worried about escalation. >> right. and what that might mean. and russia really seems to be framing this as a ukrainian attack on civilians. it moved quickly to hit that supermarket in ukraine. were they killed a lot of people is that a fair assessment? >> listen i mean, there's some evidence that civilian structures were hit there. whether that was intentional. i don't know the u.s. doesn't know. but let's be clear, russia has intentionally targeted civilians for years inside ukraine going back to the start of this war, that's been part of their war plan is to demoralize and impose costs on the ukrainian civilian population. i'm not both-sides-ing this any deliberate attacks on civilians is wrong. but in terms of the weight of the conflict so far, there's been deliberate targeting of civilians by ukrainian, by russian forces in ukraine. it's not clear and you ukrainian say there was no deliberate targeting of civilians here. all right. jim sciutto, always great to talk with you. thank you so much. i still ahead. police have arrested another teen cesspit suspected in the taylor swift

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alternative media continues to spread those and other dangerous lies. >> yeah, donie shares his journey in this sunday's the whole story with anderson cooper the election was stolen. it's six battleground states. those six states were decided by the votes of illegal aliens who came in through our open border he's false beliefs about the last election are being used as a pretext to cause chaos and confusion about the next election. and they've spread far beyond this room in vegas this is not a fight between democrats versus republicans. come all there's a fight against good and evil. >> you think it'd be a fair election. >> i think they're going to try and cheat, are voting was always are you concerned? >> trump loses that there'll be another january 6 know, i think

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time. i on january 6. so look the stakes are obviously very big here. this is very dangerous. these conspiracy theories, and look two things that we also just kind of focused on. this documentary, is that you heard trump mentioned her yesterday at his press conference kind of alluding to this bogus conspiracy theory that undocumented immigrants will vote on mass and steal the election for harris that is just a widespread common belief. that's being pushed. it seemed being pushed by people like elon musk and of course, and as well just all the conspiracy theories about voting machines and the voting process itself. we also speak to some election officials and others who are working on this and who are really bearing the brunt of all this madness? >> yeah, they certainly are. >> you also spent a lot of time with mike lindell? the my pillow guy what kind of role does he play in this world

yeah. >> the my pillow guy, yes. you know, folks may not have seen him as much on their tv screens the past few years, he was kicked out of a lot of the big box stores. as he continued to push election conspiracy theories after january 6. but what we found was that mike is still very much in business and there's this been this unit reverse that has built up after january 6 happened when trump and a lot of his supporters got kicked off the big social media platforms that kind of led to this emergence and surge in popularity of alternative platforms. one of course being truth, social trump's own platform. but this really has allowed for a world of these new i got influencers and as part of my job is to spend too many hours on these forums and watching these videos, but i would see over and over and over again, all of these, these maga influencers would be

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