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on whether they will even attend a meeting scheduled for this coming thursday with mediators from the us egypt, and qatar. we've got to full report coming up later this hour. in the meantime, let's go back to jessica in new york. >> wolf will see very soon back here in the u.s. we're learning more about president biden's decision to pass the torch to his vice president, kamala harris, in his first sit down interview since dropping out of the race exactly three weeks ago today biden mtd, he won't he always intended did to be a one-term president, but he said, when it came to running a second time, quote things got moving so quickly when i ran the first time, i thought to myself has been a transition president i can't even say how old i am. >> it's hard for me to get out of my mouth and but thing thanks, got moving so quickly. it didn't happen but i thought it was important because although it's a great honor being president, i think i'm an

obligation to the country to do what i most important thing we can do, and that is we must, we must, we must defeat trump cnn's senior white house reporter, kevin liptack is joining us now, and kevin kevin did the president say what ultimately got him to that decision? while he said he didn't want to be a distraction for democrats, not necessarily at the top of the ticket where he was but on lower ballot races, people running for house for for the senate. he said he didn't want to necessarily be a drag on them, but it was really fascinating to hear from the president in his own words really, for the first time in a fulsome way describe this decision to withdraw from the race. it was by all accounts, a very difficult decision for him to make. he doesn't express any second doubts about making that decision. in fact, he said when he pulled out that he was running neck and neck with donald trump, but he did say that he didn't necessarily want to be a distraction for other members of his party.

listen to what he said what happened was a number of my democratic colleagues in the house and senate strike to libraries can hurt him in the races and i was concerned if i stayed in the race that would be the topic. >> you'd been agreement about. why did nancy pelosi say why did son and i thought it'd be a real distraction now, in this interview that president denied that that very, very bad debate performance revealed anything about a larger mental issue about a larger health issue, in his words, he had a really, really bad day at that debate because he was sick. >> jessica and kevin tonight we're also hearing attacks from former president trump claiming the harris campaign faked images of the crowd size at one of its michigan rallies. >> walk us through what the facts are here. and also how the harris campaign's responding yeah. >> and i think if you're looking for any more evidence that donald trump is taking

note of these crowd sizes and that it's getting under his skin. look no further than these posts that he's putting out today, essentially to lending voice to a conspiracy about the size of her crowd at a rally in detroit earlier this week, he said on truth, social, has anyone noticed that camila cheated at the airport? there was nobody at the plane, but she hit it and showed a massive crowd of so-called followers, but they didn't exist. the president former president goes on to say she's a cheater. she had nobody waiting in the crowd look like 10,000 people and to back up his claim, he appears to be using a photo that a campaign staffer, a harris campaign staff, are posted from the event and trying to claim that because there's no reflection of the crowd on the exterior of the plane that with somehow manipulated, but we can say with certainty that those claims that the crowd didn't exist are just false. for starters, cnn was at this event and i talked to our friend jeff

zeleny, who is there covering it for cnn. he said that there was a crowd of many thousands that were filling this large hanger including two risers. they spilled onto who a sprawling tarmac where air force two came to a stop. what you're seeing there said that there are large risers outside as well along with rows and rows of chairs for these attendees. of course, we also shot our own video from the event that you're seeing there, which you can show a major crowd. there was also news photographers. they're independent news photographer who did capture this large crowd. so it does make clear that trump's claims were absolutely false. now, today, the harris campaign is seizing on this. dave david plot. if he's the campaign senior adviser writing on social media, these are not conspiratorial rantings from the deepest recesses of the internet. the author could have the nuclear codes and be responsible for decisions that will affect us all for decades. jessica? >> yeah. >> all right. kevin liptack with the latest reporting there. thank you for that fact-check. >> we appreciate it vice

president kamala harris appears to be taking a page from donald trump's policy proposals it which would be the ending the federal tax on tips, speaking thousands of supporters at a rally in las vegas last night. >> here is offered one of her first notable economic policies since becoming the party's presumptive nominee and it is my promise to everyone here when i am president, we will continue our fight for working families including to raise the minimum wage eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality worker now, trump first floated the idea during his own los vegas rally back in june, and he immediately responded to harris, his pitch on truth social, calling her a quote copycat. the hospitality workers union and the culinary workers union, both of which have endorsed harris, have downplayed the proposal with

the culinary union secretary, treasurer saying, quote, relief is definitely needed for tip earners. nevada workers are smart enough to know the difference between real solutions and wild campaign promises from a convicted felon. the harris walz campaign is doing its best to continue its momentum that it's benefited from since the ticket launch, this coming as the trump-vance campaign trying to adapt to this new race trump spent the weekend campaigning and fundraising and gop strongholds, montana and wyoming. ray raking in cash at a fundraising event with a $28,000,000 haul. meantime, the vice presidential nominee, senator j.d. vance, making the media rounds, including on cnn, state of the union with dana bash, where he claimed democrats are anti-child i old you called up kamala harris and pete buttigieg, in particular, kamala harris has two stepchildren pete buttigieg and his husband have adopted twins do you recognize them as parents and more broadly as being part of families?

>> will of course i do. dana i never dana criticized people for not having kids. i criticize people for being anti-child joining us now to discuss the state of the race is cnn political commentator and republican strategist, shermichael singleton and dnc convention consultant and former white house director of message planning, meghan hays, high to both of you. >> thanks for being here with us on sunday evening as this race continues to evolve. shermichael, let's start with you. we heard that clip from senator j.d. vance. he was making the rounds today on a lot of networks, including our own trying to make the case for the republican ticket. that one clip we just played where he says he believes democrats are anti-child. do you think that's an effective the attack for the republican ticket right now you what i think is effective jessica, is the fact that jd vance is something that's really unprecedented for republicans in terms of policy positions.

>> and that is the fact that he would like to expand the $5,000 child tax credit for all family i believe that's a position in the past that republicans have unnecessarily supported it's mostly been a democratic maine stuff stay so that's something that i really took note of. i also think it's important to focus on the fact that he's talked about affordable housing for families. we've seen over the past couple of years. now, we're large bates enlarge investment groups have buying up single-family homes and increasing the rates across the country. those are very serious things that impacts that only families but single americans as well. so i'm looking at the messaging a little bit differently here in terms of a complete reversal of previous republican orthodoxy it is interesting meghan to see the republican who is, who is on the ticket? to be vice president, pushing for an expanded tax credit and then to see, for example, a little bit different, but kamala harris embracing ending taxes on tips, it just seems to me and i'm curious what your take is. they're both kind of starting

to go toward that middle. that might be up for grabs. >> yeah, absolutely. and we both know they are all three of us know. sorry that this is going to be one in six or seven things on the margins, there's a better 20,000 votes in each of these states. those people are in the middle. there be independent voters who are not paying attention, who were not for most of them were not for president biden and not for former president trump's that they're offering a different solution here with the vice president and j.d. vance is offering something different to the republican party. so i do think that they are going towards the middle. i think that it's good to start talking about policy and start talking about economic policy for both of these candidates to move forward. i don't think the child with continuing talking about being childless and how, you know, that is some sort of crime here in the united states that he is claiming. i don't think that it's good for these independent voters, but i do give him credit and the vice president credit for starting to talk about economic policies because that's really what matters. and that is really what's going to drive people to vote in november and shermichael, that is the open we're whelming feedback and

comments. >> i'm getting when i'm talking to people like you guys talking to other elected officials, talking to pollsters overwhelmingly on both sides of this race, vote n in the middle, voters want to hear about policy. they want to hear about how will these candidates fix my problems or make my life better? and yet, we just had this this reporting from kevin liptack, my colleague, a little bit earlier talking about this truth social post with the former president, where he's going off on this really just a conspiracy theory about ai that we've now debunked of course, but why is he talking about that? when he could win this race if you wanted to talk about issues potentially you know what the good thing is. >> jessica said donald trump is on truth, social, and not twitter because that means less people are saying these some comments. i just got to be honest about that i most republicans out there, what an absolutely open wish? it may be even pray that the former president would stick to the

issues as meghan just so eloquently stated that is what's going to ultimately be the deciding factor for those voters in the middle of that 10% across a handful of states, they want to see who is likely going to put forth the best realistic plan, right? because we've got to look at the possibilities that congress will be divided. so how do you accomplish these lofty ideas with a divided congress to move people forward specific lazard pertains to the economic plight and so i would advise as a former president just lay off some of the interesting things for a little bit, at least for the next eight plus days it is. >> but what happens is people see somebody like that who is a former president spreading these conspiracy theories, meghan, and that's how they get convinced that an election was stolen than it, than it was that was an odd and then it broadens out. and now you have something like this. >> yeah. no, totally. i just think this is playing to his base and his base like that is

just ginning up his base. and though that's not where he's going to win the election, so it's great that he's going to gin up his base and he's going to go out and give press conferences where he i think they did something some analysis that he told about two lives and then which is incredible, but it's just that is not where the election is going to be one and so unless he starts focusing on issues, unless he starts talking to people in the middle he is not going to win this election, focusing on crowd sizes nobody cares about crowd sizes. joe biden won during covid, where we had car rallies like let's be real here, that crowd sizes don't turn into votes. so we just need to focus on issues. we need to get people excited. it brings momentum for sure but that doesn't mean these people are voting in either direction. so let's focus on issues and get people out to vote the car rallies. >> i remember covering those i had forgotten about the car rallies and everybody sit in their car and hong and those little veer times in 2020 when we were on a very different campaign trail but sure for michael, the campaign trail now has much more it's, it's obviously what we were used to seeing. >> we're seeing harris and

walz doing this battleground blitz. we saw the former president get back on the campaign trail, going to montana. look for democrats. they're looking to the next week when the dnc is going to happen and really hoping this enthusiasm country can use that they can get what is normally a little post-convention bump if you and when you are talking to the trump campaign, what would you, what are you advising them to do in this period of time? >> i mean look you're probably going to see another week or two of a bump in the polls for vice president harris. but when you look at that time sienna poll that just came out, there were a couple of aspects of the poll that i find to be fascinating that i would probably want to focus on my conversations with republicans generally speaking, that is that more of those middle swing voters view vice president harris is more liberal than president biden, i'm also seeing that most americans still believe the foreign president is strongest on the economy and immigration

specifically men and so i would probably want to focus on those issues. i would increase my targeting of men latino men and young black men, hour to remind them that during trump's first term, he signed an executive order that emphasize skills over a college degrees. i would also remind them that he was an advocate of apprenticeships, even met with a former german chancellor angela merkel, i believe in 2017, to try to focus on that, having sort of a, you united front between both countries. so there's some appealing things that i think would move the needle more so in the former president's corner and i would say target voters on those issues where you had that strategic advantage. >> and meghan, we don't have much time left, just a teensy bit, but with the convention, a lot of voters say they want to hear about the issues. can they expect? hear more about specifics? do you think when they, when democrats roll out their convention? >> yeah, i think that the vice president is obviously going to have to get more policy heavy and put forth their policy issues. i think that will be a lot of whitehurst speeches

about at the convention i mean, she you don't have a lot of time here and people need to know where he stands. and i think that she's now rolled out or vice president and is now rolling into the game in benton and now is the time to put those policy issues forward. >> all right. shermichael singleton and meghan hays. thanks so much. i appreciate both of you thanks. >> joe we have more news ahead and for that, we go now to wolf blitzer, who is in tel aviv. >> wolf jessica, thank you very much. there's breaking news here in tel aviv, a direct iranian military attack on israel could come. we're told within days that according to reporting from cnn analyst and axios reporter barak ravid, he cites two who sources, the israeli military with a message to its citizens. tonight. idf troops are deployed all around the country and they are ready this as, ceasefire talks aimed at stopping the war in gaza are set to resume this week, but hamas may be holding out i'm wolf blitzer in tel aviv. you're in the cnn newsroom cnn

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spoke to the u.s. defense secretary, lloyd austin earlier today, warning the attack could come before the ceasefire talks. that are scheduled to begin this coming thursday we're also getting late word right now that hamas maybe stepping away from those talks completely. cnn's diplomatic editor, nic robertson is here with me in tel aviv. nic, these are potentially very, very major setbacks to the possibility of some sort of truce or a ceasefire in gaza. the release of more hostages and patel essentially, god forbid, the threat of an all-out war it speaks to the risk of the escalation that if, if iran responds with this larger, significant buildup of weapons, then israel would very likely respond to that. >> that will be an escalation. hezbollah may join in israel would respond to hezbollah in lebanon. therefore, that would be part of an escalation. i think the diplomatic understanding over the past week was that iran was taking a

pause considering the talks on thursday about gaza as a road to a potential off-ramp. and the diplomatic assessment was that if iran was going to respond, it would be a moderate response. so this conversation that bragg ravid is reporting from his two sources seems to indicate that iran is perhaps, perhaps not going to go for a moderate response. we can also look at this as positioning and beefing up and strengthening positions and narratives ahead of those talks thursday, i just want you to follow up on this news that israel's defense minister, yoav gallant, actually had a phone conversation with us defense secretary lloyd austin earlier today reporting israeli intelligence that they now believe that iran is planning a major military assault on where we are hearing israel within the next few days. >> and that would absolutely bring if it was a massive assault, it would absolutely bring response from israel and that would bring a whole new

dynamic if that were to happen, no one will be talking about peace talks around gaza on thursday, the diplomatic efforts would be seen to have failed. then the question would be is just how quickly he would this spread and how bad would it be again, this is intelligence assessments you have to read them in the context that this is a very, very tense moment, but also there is some diplomacy still in play. >> see how they diplomacy works out. just a little while ago. another development, and this is raising a lot of concern as well. we learned that pro iranian militias in iraq, pro iranian militias in iraq, there are plenty of them have sent a stern warning to us troops. those us troops who are still remaining in iraq right now threatening retaliate if us forces use a rocky airspace to launch any attack against iran right now, what do you make of this yes, i think there's two things in this. >> one is it's clearly a direct threat to united states, but it also appears to be an

implicit threat against israel because we know when israel responded back in april all to iran's massive missile multi missile onslaught, direct into israel. that it was believed that some of those munitions fired into, into iran actually came from iraq. key aspects so this seems to be a double signal, not just the united states, but israel as well. and what this warning to the united states says is very clearly stay out of this fight. don't get involved, don't put your fighter jets in the air. look we know over the past week or so at i know i said massive us military base inside of iraq, iranian proxy its proxies fired missiles into that base, injuring a number of us forces. it's not the only attack by iranian proxies in iraq and syria against us forces over recent weeks but this is a very, very clear threat and is just another element in

potential escalation of what's happening, what could happen, as you know, nic, we're sitting right in tel aviv right now we're sitting in tel aviv right now and if you take a look at the mediterranean, which is right over there, the us has moved aircraft carrier battle groups, destroyers, other military hardware, very, very close to what's going on right now. and potentially really this represents, for the u.s direct involvement, god forbid, if this should escalate into some sort of regional absolutely. >> the united states would be providing part of the missile defense shield for israel to protect israel from iran's attack than we saw this happen exactly back in april, i think he united states has credited for bringing down at least 70 of the drones cruise and ballistic missiles that were fired into israel and was credited with being a significant part of showing iran that they couldn't get through and defending is israel and its citizens. >> and we're getting some major breaking news right now. nic stand by. the israel defense forces. the idf is now telling cnn that around 30

rockets were just launched from lebanon they will release a statement very, very shortly with details, but this is a potentially significant development. those rockets coming from south lebanon and hezbollah has a lot of rockets. iranian backed hezbollah. it's a proxy of iran right now, launching some 30 rockets directly into israel and hitting various targets in northern israel. >> one of the locations with heard was still run down the inflammation both. so i should just add caution to this. but one of the locations we've heard that there's rockets came towards this town of nahariya. it's on the coast, just like tel aviv. it's about six miles from the border with lebanon interestingly, that town has not evacuated its population like the tens of thousands of others israelis who've been evacuated from towns that close to the border in north, in northern israel. they're still there. there's an estimated 77 thousand people still living in that town. 30 missiles fired on a densely populated town can be very

significant. it can potentially have the possibility of causing civilian casualties when we think about all the other salvos of hezbollah rockets that are fired, fired across the border there relatively short range. they're often targeted israeli defense infrastructure or some of the towns. but all of those locations, a very sparsely populated because the idf has ordered the civilian population to leave. so this, if these reports are borne out by by further information, we will get that appears to show that hezbollah has targeted with 30 rockets a town of 77,000 civilians. >> a hurry, i've been there many times just north as you pointed out, of haifa, between haifa and lebanon, it's a city, it's a big city. and as you correctly also pointed out, the residents of nahariya, unlike other towns in northern israel, closer to the lebanese border, kiryat shmona and these other towns, all of them have been

evacuated faded tens of thousands of israelis and their families have been forced to move south to safety. but nahariya, the people there are still there. and if some a barrage of rockets is now coming in from south lebanon, from hezbollah into the horrea that potentially could result in a major israeli retaliatory strike as well, will monitor this very, very closely. we're getting new information from the idf as we speak. nic, thanks very, very much. we're following all of the breaking news and we'll be right back. >> tonight on the whole story. donie o'sullivan dives back into the world of misinformation no computers that are used in our election and how the software that was illegal will miss information cause chaos in november's election the whole story with anderson cooper tonight at 8:00 on cnn, when i say, why don't you actually get good sister and get missile worry about flowing on second. >> i'll be a director go get

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right now. he is from massachusetts is in newton, massachusetts. congressman. thanks very much for joining us. i quickly want to get your response to this latest reporting. it looks pretty serious as if the situation in northern israel between hezbollah forces in south lebanon and northern israel is escalating big time it does wolf and it underscores the criticality of iron dome, which the united states and israel work together to fund and to build and the united states congress must continue to put the support behind iron dome that allows it to shield israel from the worst of these kinds of rocket attacks. >> otherwise, places like tel aviv would be big targets for these terrorist groups secondarily, we know that this tension on the northern border of israel is really ultimately coming from its southern border in the ongoing conflict in gaza and there prime minister netanyahu is going to need to

architect not just the combat operations that marginalized hamas and prevent it from ever being part of a post-war governance solution. but also architecting the security, economic development, the education vision that will allow hamas to be drained of its police political capital, because sinwar is clearly not afraid of destruction, but he is terrified of reconstruction sinwar, the leader of hamas in gaza right now, some will see congressman hamas decision right now to abandon this new upcoming round of talks. >> involving a ceasefire and hostage release program as offering a green light right now to iran, especially after egyptian and qatari officials have signaled just the opposite in terms of the group wanting to reach a deal as quickly as possible. how do you see all of this unfolding i'm not sure i see that many chess moves behind it. >> i think hamas is a terrorist organization that's broken

five previous ceasefires and has as part of its charter, the destruction of jews and israel. it doesn't have a positive vision. organizations that have a positive vision for the people they serve. for trying to negotiate to realize that vision hamas only has a negative vision. the destruction of another people and so negotiation just isn't in their charter. so this is really the baseline from hamas. i think it's true that there is not express implicit coordination between iran and hamas. and that really underscores that we need to stand with israel again, like we did in april, where the united states, arab states, and european states worked with israel to shoot down those iranian cruise missiles. we've got to be right there again, so that iran and his blood don't think that they can gain leverage over israel with this latest round of attacks. >> and we're told that israel's iron dome system, that anti missile system has now been activated at least in northern israel around the town of nahariya, which is north of haifa as you know, congressman, you are a us marine veteran.

what do you see potentially as america's role in this conflict? things look like they're exploding right now twofold, one as i said, stand with israel as it defends from rocket or precision guided munition attacks from iran, from his bluff, from hamas to don't allow israel to misshe opportunity that it missed in april because wolf, as you know, as you saw firsthand after that successful april consortium of arab, european and american states shooting down those iranian drones israel did not then take that diplomatic momentum and can live towards reconstruction in gaza, did not channel it or it's an alternative to hamas in the strip. >> if iran is going to attack again, if we are successful again in shooting down those missiles and those are two big ifs i grant that the united states needs to put significant pressure on netanyahu to then channel that momentum towards a positive vision for gaza that can contest hamas negative

vision what's your reaction to this latest report? >> congressman, that pro or iranian proxies forces inside iraq are now threatening us troops in iraq and they're still us troops remaining in iraq right now. if the u.s. uses iraqi airspace to launch any counterstrike break against iran underscores the volatility of the region. >> and of course, iran tentacles within iraq, this was one of the core strategic miscalculations of bushes invasion of iraq is that it actually kicked down an important regional counterweight to iran is influence and turned a counterweight into a proxy force for iran on's influence, which has reverberated over the last 15 years. i don't think the united states though can flinch because of those threats from proxy terror forces in iraq if iran attacks israel, the united states, is going to help defend israel and iraq doesn't have a say. so over whether or not we stand with our ally congressman jake

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what did you find one quite it's quite them outfield well, look, pay he trades have paper ballots might be pretty self-explanatory, of course, but here's where the pillow aspect comes into us look, as you know, i cover misinformation online, misinformation, conspiracy theories. and obviously the big election lie from 2020 has continued to spread all these years later. it hasn't stopped actually as we were seeing these kind of maga type influencers pushing these messages all across the internet notice that's a lot of people were talking about the fall of american democracy and whatnot. and then quickly trying to a pillow promotion, trying to sell mypillow you might of course recognized mike lindell, the famous or infamous my pillow guy. and really we go into mike's world's, he's obviously quite prominent trump ally. he is a believer in these election conspiracy theories,

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