touting his immigration plans to univision as calls for his campaign to stick to policy at louder and two more states place abortion on the ballot in november as abortion rights solidify as a cornerstone issue, this election and cycle. plus what was supposed to be an eight-day mission now leaves two astronauts stuck in space for more than 70 days. that's months and there is no end in sight all right? i am here in washington. a live look at the white house on this wednesday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us this morning with donald trump and kamala harris, both largely off the campaign trail yesterday, minnesota governor tim walz took the spotlight in his first solo campaign appearance as the democrats

stage, walz defending his service record after republicans criticized him for one saying he carried weapons in war, even though he didn't see combat i'm going to say it again as clearly as i can. i am proud of my service to this country. and i firmly believe you should never denigrate another person's service record. the anyone brave enough to put on that uniform for our great country, including my opponent i just have a few simple words. thank you for your service and sacrifice trump's vice presidential pick, j.d. >> vance has criticized walz for leaving the military after 24 years to run for congress. fans replying on social media, quote, hi tim. i thank you for your service, but you shouldn't have lied about it. you shouldn't have said you went to war when you didn't, nor should you have said you didn't know your unit was going to iraq, happy to discuss more in a debate vance does seem to be a bit more on

message than the top of the ticket that he's running on in an interview with univision, donald trump continuing his personal attacks against kamala harris we're going to get rid of inflation. inflation has hurt the hispanic population so badly, but it sort of everybody. she's never going to do anything about inflation. she has no idea. she is even know what it means. the word means add she is she's forced to go with my policies. i came out a long time ago with no taxes on tips and two days ago she said no taxes on tips. she doesn't even know what it means. >> it doesn't even know what it means. it's that piece of the approach that many republicans want to do not want to see trump take in this reset race that has clearly moved in kamala harris, us favor and the one thing republicans have to stop, don't quit whining about, are we knew it was going to be her, but the campaign is not going to talking about crowd sizes, not what race kamala harris's it's not going

to win talking about whether she's dumb, it's not you can't win on those things. the american people are smart, treat them like they're smart mark all right, joining us now, panel's here. isaac dovere, cnn senior reporter david frum, staff writer at the atlantic, maya wiley, president is the leadership council on civil and human rights and matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. welcome to all of you. wonderful to have you here. isaac, those that that soundbite from nikki haley, it really stuck out to me honestly, like did over this, like stop whining was the word that she used. what do you make of what she had to say? there i mean, how many times are we going to have republican officials go on the air and say, please, donald trump? >> we focus on policy, stop talking about all the things you're talking about they go through this over and over again every couple of weeks. it feels like and it seems like donald trump feels very clear of the kind of campaign he wants to run here. it's kind of campaign that worked for him in 2016 it is not at least

according to the most recent polls, working as well for him at this moment against kamala harris, will see what happens here with it, but it is the way that republican officials seem to have resigned themselves to deal with donald trump. >> well, and david frum, you capture it this way in your latest piece in the atlantic, you say that trump's campaign, you call it the trump campaign's, please shut up phase you write this. this is trump's problem for all his jibes at her intellect harris is managing the mystery appeal effectively, whereas trump, who endlessly congratulates himself on his mit professor uncles brains is fast arriving at the, will you please shut up phase of his political dissent? >> mike murphy, the republican campaign consultant a decade ago or nearly a decade ago. so that asking donald trump to talk about policy, it's like teaching charles manson to foxtrot. he can manage a step or two, but then he's going to put a pencil in your eye because he's charles manson and donald trump is donald trump. and as you just said a minute ago, i mean, it's this time of course, a beaut he's an

insult comic that's what he is. he doesn't know, he does less about policy than anybody probably ever run for high office ever. but what he does knows how to abuse and denigrate and humiliate and demean. that's what he does. if you don't like that, he's not your guy and if he is your guy, don't pretend he's not like that because he's like that matt gorman, i mean it's we've we've talked about we were talking about this on monday monday. >> here on this around this table is it is it just a pipe dream for these republicans who are trying to say this, trying to convince them to do this. >> and what impact is that ultimately have on trump's ability to win? >> i think it's say kevin mccarthy saying and nikki haley? haley saying it, nikki, him at be the in public messenger since for all the baggage and running against him like that. but you're right. kevin mccarthy has came out with this eye on fox on monday. and so this has been a consistent theme throughout many secretary republican party. there was some more policy in there, but you're right, it's like, oh, and she's not smart enough so you can get there just a little further than it was. say, we could go but then you still get

that overarching message. you're right. he's 70-years-old and there's there's a wondering how much you really going to change. >> well, and he was quoted in the big haberman swan, new york times opened over the weekend is telling donors at an event, i am who i am, right? like what you see is what you get well and we've we've known since he ran for president in 2015, this is not really news that donald trump, donald trump's eye and an insult comment is actually being very generous to him, david, i think i mean, he is offensive and he has been extremely willing to personally attack people from mocking people well with disabilities to hurling, you know, racial suggestive, racial epithets. >> one i would consider to be racial epithets. and none of that is new. so when we turn now to what we're hearing from him, including calling a highly qualified black woman and competent that actually reads a certain way, too large number of the electorate, which

suggests that he can't put himself forward as a qualified candidate. frankly, not because he hasn't been president, but because he hasn't been able to articulate what he is going to do for the american people. i agree i think that's what people are looking for, and that's never who he has been. >> it's certainly become a core democratic argument that trump is about himself, right? i mean, that is something we hear from them. isaac, i know you hear it. i'm sure numerous phone calls every day as you go about doing your job can we talk for a second? touch on the service question? this was the first time walz has addressed this on camera he just pushed back and said, you know, i don't denigrate anybody's service record. do you see this as something that's actually going to stick and hook in with the electorate are what are the kind of the early signs on this, or is the way they're dealing with it effective look, it is working for certainly the republican, a trump leaning voters too. >> i have something to attack walz on. it doesn't it's not clear whether it's resonating in a deeper way. i do think

what's interesting about the response to it is on the one hand, walz took until now to really speak about it himself. so that's a week of this almost been on the other hand even from what the campaign was putting out and it reflected what he said yesterday is this attempt to say we are the patriots here, right? to have it be not the way this has been played out in past elections where the republicans have said there the patriotic ones walz is not going back on the attack. he says, i'm proud of what i did and thank you. j.d. vance for your service that's that is something that it seems like we're going to get more of in the convention next week and chicago democrats saying, we're the party of america and of unity. and it's the republicans who are on the attack of what, what this country is supposed to be. >> i mean, david frum, you are a big part of republican politics as this exact dichotomy was kind of at the center john kerry, george w bush, all of that how do you look at this? >> i think these guys are they don't understand what the machine is and why or how it

operates. they can't make it work again the reason these debates in 2000 of war were so powerful with john kerry this country ripped itself apart over the vietnam war. it was it was a trauma for the support the opposition, john kerry very had come to national prominence at a young age as a vehement opponent of the vietnam war, which you criticized, not just as a mistake, but as a crime. he accused americans are committing atrocities. people remember in 2004 that was a memory. then in 2004, he campaigned as a war hero. and so the question you asked was wait a minute, you have denounced this war is equivalent to jail india's khan's literally jenga is cons, depredations against humanity. and now you say, but elect me because i was a hero in debt, jenga genghis khan's army. how does that make sense? what j.d. vance isn't it just pedantic you serve as a command sergeant major, but you didn't retire as a command. if you're interested in the federal pension schedules that's interesting. if not, you think i should boring and tedious and nitpicky and everyone is going

to say, look, iraq did not tear the country apart the way vietnam, and by the way, it was divisive, but there was by the way, j.d. vance used to support the iraq war. and now he says he opposed it, which he has done only after he became a trumpist so what is your what is your point except to say yeah, i'm looking at the federal pension schedule and the rank you had in in-service, you did not retire with because you didn't complete enough paperwork to retire with that rank and that pension, i think the other thing here though is that walz was 24 years in the national guard, j.d. vance was the years he spent in let's not forget, donald trump did not go to vietnam, right? and so it is, you want to studio 54, which is every bit is jokes about that being like going well and the issue was lying as well. there are questions about why donald trump did not serve in vietnam, right? >> and it just seems to me strange to take that shot at the bottom of the ticket when your own top of the ticket has this vulnerability. >> well, it also goes back to the underlying point. if you're

not pressing a policy set a policies for the american people about the future. you're left to simply attacking, which frankly looks a little weak, not only for all these reasons, i agree with isaac and david, but also because i'm sorry the vast majority of americans are going to look at the coach who's standing up and saying 24 years. i mean, he was 44 years and this is a ticket and j.d. >> vance of candidate going to abandon allies and ukraine don't want to destroy nato. who stopped aid to israel and ukraine for six months, which cost the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands of brave ukrainian soldiers and many israelis. and you want to talk about patriotism after, after we have never, ever gotten to the bottom of this mystery of what exactly is it that makes donald trump so infatuated with vladimir putin, you're, i'm talking about patriotism. this ticket it's not worth what i think. >> there's legitimate question about what the exaggeration of his rank and his actual, what, how we talked about weapons in war. but look, this law was allowed to metastasize over the last week because they haven't

addressed if that's a big thing, it right. they're finally have put it to bed exactly. they've been changing bio's and things think that over the last week. but when you allow it to metastasize, there's still no signs of it really ending anytime soon, especially their dressing it now they're just going to add another new cycle or two to the fire. >> it just seems to me that he could have made these on-camera comments like a week ago and it would have been a little bit easier for them to deal with. alright, coming up here on cnn this morning, hunter biden's business dealings back under the microscope, the new report that says he asked the state department for help from a ukrainian gap for a ukrainian gas company plus abortion access is officially on november ballots for arizona and missouri as the fight for abortion rights hangs over the race for the white house and donald trump doubles down on his messaging around immigration policy i was looking in new york today, they have attacks all over new york from illegal immigrants were being attacked it's a new form of crime in the u.s it's called mike between crime. and it's

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with univision, trump accused harris of flip-flopping on the issue they come from prisons. >> they come from mental institutions and they come from all over the place. they're drug dealers and then now in our country, we're like a dumping ground and now she's saying, oh, she was tough on the border before she she just had open borders and that's what they want. they want open borders and then there was this a, tweet from an official trump campaign twitter account sharing this image with the captions. your neighborhood under donald trump and your neighborhood under kamala harris sit for a second and look at what those pictures show. there was another message, quote import the third world, become the third world want to give this one to you. initially, there's a lot there. obviously it's impossible to miss. >> look. there's just a lot of racism there. i mean, we just have to call it what it is it is offensive. i think so many of us remember the donald trump

who called mexicans criminals literally as a group, not about any individual conduct of any individual person questioned and was reportedly talking and calling haiti and african countries expletive hole countries. i won't say it on cnn, but we all know the reference. i mean, this is a long-standing racializing immigration. first of all, immigrants come from all over the world there are european immigrants in this country who didn't come with documentation all he talks about are people color and what he does and what he did in that was simply doing a willie horton on immigrants of color as a group. now, we have real issues that we should deal with on immigration, but that is not a debate on policy. that's an attack on people. >> let's was going to say matt gorman like there is the there is a crisis at the border. now, everyone agrees on that. it did take democrats a while to come around to that new york city. i

mean, it's on the cover of the new york post. its murdoch owns will take that for what it is, but it is a real problem, right? it's a real problem they can talk about it as a real problem without doing what they did there. you're right. i mean, it's one of those things where we're winning on the issue i believe like we've been doing for a long time the overton window has shifted on this. we always talked about how, you know, with border security had to come some sort of legal status as we saw, that was not a part of any time of the recent stuff on capitol hill. it's always been kind of border security focus, on look, the question is, how do you kind of keep the focus on that and not drifting kind of these other tertiary jerry things where you can lead yourself down rabbit holes. i think that's the key on this and i think that goes to kind of discipline, if not just trump, but others around him. how can we keep the focus on it and on that? >> yeah. i mean, look, isaac dovere, we have talked a lot about how trump's personal attacks on harris ultimately work against him with swing voters this is going to be a really ugly and a really nasty campaign. and this is an issue where voters trust republicans and not democrats. and the reality is we have sometimes seen when, when campaigns touch

these ugly things, it can be effective for them. do you think that the and i know you spend all your time talking to democratic sources can getting a sense of how they think about this. i mean, what is the harris campaign on this kind of thing? how are they thinking about working against it? i mean, do they think it works to just say this is clearly racist and move on, or do they see a potential threat from this line of attack? >> well, they're not so far saying this is clearly racist themselves. i think that's number one, that they've avoided getting into that kind of fight about it. we'll see how this goes look, if you go back to 2022 in the midterms in new york, there were so many fears about what had happened with crime in new york city that it led to depending on how you count five or six house seats in the new york area, the new york city area, going to republicans and kathy hochul facing a much tougher race than she thought she was going to fit. their there are real fears about what's going there are a

lot of people who've arrived in new york city the number was over 100,000 last september. i don't remember exactly what we're up to now, but it's more than that and how you deal with this issue is a big question. but we shouldn't forget the larger political argument that donald trump has made here, which is that when the immigration bill, the bipartisan immigration bill came forward, the beginning of this year. he said he wanted this to be a political issue and he urged republicans not supported the question that democrats are trying to figure out is whether they can say hey, we had a solution and donald trump torpedoed it it's not clear that voters are connecting with that i wrote in the atlantic in the first month of the biden administration that relaxing border controls was going to be the biggest mistake they ever made. >> and it was windy, costly, costly costly. that said your are two things. that i think should need. everyone needs to understand why did this crisis happened to reach to most important reasons. first, the u.s. economy is the hottest job market on the planet, while

americans denia, everyone else on earth knows it that there is a giant we're hiring sign in the united states if you can get here, there is work, work, work, and well-paid work. and that is a point that needs to be drilled home. this is a booming economy thriving job market that's why they're calming. and the second reason they're coming is because the brutal socialist regime in venezuela has collapsed and 8 million venezuelans are fleeing. that but chavez and maduro did to their country. and that is something that you would think that the party that of enterprise and markets would say venezuela is a disaster. people are fleeing and the world needs a solution and immediate transformation in venezuela. but in the short term there are people who have to eat, and that means they have to work. and that means they're going to go to places where they're looking for work because socialism has failed. again. and that's a message that americans of all parties should be able to emphasize that the american economy works other ways of organizing society don't, and the world wants what america has. >> of course, we had donald trump i'm talking to elon musk about going and having dinner in venezuela because i'm would

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news for you for me or saturday, september 14 at nine on cnn cnn news central next all right welcome back this morning, we have some new information about just how many american women feel they're impacted by abortion bans across the country. >> according to a new study from the kaiser family foundation, most women in the u.s. worry that abortion bans across the country could put them or a loved one in danger and among women of reproductive age, about one in seven, 14% of democrats and 12% of republicans say they themselves have had an abortion. this data comes as two more states, missouri and arizona, announced that voters, there will be able to decide this november whether to establish a right to abortion in their state's constitution that brings the total number of states with abortion ballot measures. this fall from to eight, potentially influencing turnout in some key battleground, states, our panel is back isaac when you look at that map, how do you see this

kind of impacting presidential race overall? because we have seen that voters, when they have had a chance to weigh in on this, they have come down almost universally on the side of expanding are protecting depending on the state, abortion access, like i think just about everybody has underestimated how potent an issue abortion man's politically, it was true in 2022. it has remained true when you look at that map nevada and arizona, those are obviously presidential battleground states and also senate races. there democrats were quite happy with the arizona abortion ballot measure coming hang on. earlier this week because of the effects there florida may maybe in new york also, it's not obviously presidential battleground, but there are a lot of house races there. enough house races that could decide the majority in the house. the reason why that ballot measure is there is pure politics, is democrats in new york trying to gin up turnout and it, because there's no real abortion access new york,

right? >> in these other states, it is an issue, but over and over again, we have seen that not just women and not just democrats respond really strongly to the possibility of preserving abortion rights and just go back to that kansas ballot measure, which was the first one that kicked this off in kansas. it's not a place where democrats look to, even though there is a democratic governor players, but there was a huge turnout in favor of preserving abortion rights. >> well, david seven states that have voted on this. i mean, it's, it's pretty universal. montana, kansas, kentucky, all voted against restricting abortion access. there there you can see they're the ones in white. the ones in blue went farther in that they went to actively protect or expand abortion rights access. >> and here's how this shapes other party politics in 2022, democrats gained for state

legislatures and picked up two net two governorships the party of the president has not made that kind of gain in state races since the new deal era. normal, almost always in the midterm election, the party of the president loses state legislatures you almost always lose his governorships. but to pick up for legislatures out of the 99 and two governorships, that's amazing. and a lot of that was driven by abortion concern and there in the roe v. wade era, abortion politics are for the republicans check you could write that would never be cached. so there you, where you were someone who had entered politics because you wanted to accelerate the depreciation schedule and the pro-life groups would ask you to your sign this crazy thing. i'd say sure, i'll sign it. this is this is never this there's never going to never be held accountable. this is never going to be deposited. and then i can go back to work on the accelerated depreciation schedules. well, suddenly all these checks are being presented in many republican cabinets are saying, well, i never agreed to that. and the question is, well then why did you sign the checks? because that's your name cosponsored

this bill 20 times. it's been in the republican platform since 19 you know, at what do you mean? you don't know anything about it and it's the day is here. >> one thing my i think that really changes has changed david's point is very well-taken that in the post-roe era, it's simply dip the consequences are simply different in higher, but the way the kaiser family foundation presented back question, will it hurt someone? you know, these stories are about so much more than the stereotypes that many people would have you believe about who gets an abortion and why they get an abortion? because fundamentally there is care involved in taking care of a pregnant woman that a doctor would officially say is abortion care. but it could easily be a woman who needs the lifesaving treatment, someone who desperately wants the baby, the circumstances are simply not as clear cut as a lot of politicians would have. people believe. >> yeah, look, abortion is health care that really

fundamentally is what it comes down to and whether or not a woman is able to have a doctor help her make decisions about her health. we have women in texas right now it's brought a lawsuit because they had ectopic pregnancies that could kill you, cannot survive, but to survive either there's, there's and yet they are most, they actually had because of the very highly restrictive anti-abortion law in texas the possibility of death i mean, so their children, no one should have any politician telling them whether or not their doctor is right or wrong and whatever that advice is about their health care or their own ability to decide when and how they form a family period. what we're seeing in our politics is folks saying yes, we actually think we should be a country of freedom and while everyone is entitled to their viewpoints or their own decisions that they make with their own doctors and family

members about how and when they form a family i mean, to watch a ten-year-old girl pregnant from a rape, not able to actually have an abortion or any of that is simply wrong. and what we're seeing as a country saying, yes, we actually are for freedom and it is fundamental to who we want to be as a country certainly are hearing democrats frame things that way. all right. i want to turn now to this story. hunter biden, once asked the state department to help him secure a deal for a ukrainian gas company that was doing business in italy. according to the new york times, the request came while hunters father was vice president in 2016 the report goes on to say that hunter sent at least one letter to the u.s ambassador to italy requesting help for the company burisma. the company was reportedly having difficulty securing regulatory approval for a project in tuscany. now, matt gorman, one of the other things the new york times reports here is that this document was suddenly shaken loose from the u.s bureaucracy of the week that president biden dropped out of the race

yeah. >> it doesn't look good. i'll tell you right now, but yeah. right. we don't claim it's a coincidence. of course. we don't have the contents of the letter. the letter itself, the text of what hunter wrote has not been released just like the comments from the internal govern machinations of it. but you're right, like and again, he is still facing trial later this year for tax evasion around burisma. and look, i think it's one of the many reasons democrats are probably breathing a big sigh of relief. they don't have to worry about hunter biden. it's terms so presidential campaign trail politics, but you're right, this isn't the background of this and this certainly he's not going away anytime soon, right? promoter reform here that might have help both in the trump era and in the biden era. >> and this is an idea i've been banging the drum about for a long time. any presidential relative who accept secret service protection should file a financial disclosure report and it's interesting because it has been a problem in every presidential family has a bad apple and go one corner there's always, there's always a brother, there's always a

nephew, theirs off some sometimes a son, franklin delano roosevelt sons were very they problematic but in the modern era, what we've seen is scales of leveraging a family connection. i mean, never as gross and extreme as in the trump era, but other candidates to hunter biden certainly did not behave in a in a proper way. so if you take the secret service protection but to see your financial, but to see your tax return i was like, how do you think? >> i mean, does this play? does it what does harris do about this? anything? >> i mean it's not kamala harris, the sun. and so there's a little bit more more distance than when it was the presidential nominee, son. this isn't great. hunter biden, everybody in the white house is known for a long time as an issue at the, the way that the that his lawyers responded to this disclosure because well, yeah, he sent letters but did nothing wrong. it doesn't this feels very strange to people that the vice president's son was ascending letters or making requests to other government officials and saying, hey, you meet with this company it may,

it may have been legal. we don't know anything thing or otherwise, this point, like matt you haven't seen the contents of the letter it doesn't it does look like he was at least making people say, you notice my last name though, right? >> yeah see the sign might all right. >> still ahead here on cnn this morning, nasa is still working on a way to get to ashraf now it's home. their eighth day test flight. this was planned to the international space station is actually no lasting months and could last many months more. >> we're gonna get an update from now. >> so today plus a look at tim walz's finances reveals he is not nearly as wealthy as other top nominees does this appeal to middle-class voters? >> can you simply picture donald trump working at mcdonald's, tried to make a mcflurry or something the future is not just going to happen. >> you have to make it. and if

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days. >> that is how long? two nasa astronauts have been in space after what was supposed to be an eight-day test flight to the international space station suni williams and butch wilmore blasted off back in june on the first man test flight of the boeing starliner spacecraft. but he helium leak was detected in the ship, extending their stay on the iss indefinitely while nasa tries to fix it they are staying busy. they are helping out the cruel through with tests and experiments. they took a break to film a fun olympics themed video for all of us who are back here on earth but the agency is still trying to figure out how they are going to get them home while they're up there, we have extra crews, we have extra hands. they can do a lot more work, but they're also using up more consumables, more supplies. so we have to maintain that balance and, and, at some point we need to bring bring those folks home and we are also expecting another

update from nasa on this situation in a couple of hours during me now to discuss how this is unfolding is keep counting. he is editor at nasa watch.com. keith, wonderful to see you again. thank you for being here. how on earth that is not a pun, but it's something did they allow this to happen? >> well, reminds me of the gilligan's island theme song. they went out for three hour tour. here they are. they're stolen the island and you're going to get an update today from nasa. and it pretty much i can give you a summary. >> they're still there we don't know when they're coming back yeah. >> you know, i mean, because they got childhood, you're not giving the media updates now. they're just going to say yeah, not changed how did this happen? >> well, then best intentions. i mean, they had planned to go up there chest, the spaceship and come home and they got up there and something didn't work. and another thing didn't work. and then all the engineers got in on it and the safety culture says whole wait a minute and we are so keith, what are the options? >> i know that they had said

before that they might use a spacex rocket to try to get them back two earth's. but at that point, we may be into 2025 before they come home you know, this is sort of like you know, arranging traffic on the beltway mean i live in dc so you have to arrange these and they had planned for these guys to go up through the thing, come home than other flights were all lined up, ready to go? >> well, now that they're up there and they're eating food and they're taking up a seat. that means that they, if they can't come home on the boeing spacecraft, will have to take somebody else's seats. so instead of launching four people, sun that may wait a bit much to two mtc that's what the spacesuit froze everything off. and that's assuming that they cannot or will not or don't want to bring them home. and the boeing spacecraft, they may change their mind on that. but now it's sort of like we'll get back to next week yeah. >> i mean, i have to say keith, like considering how i feel about getting on a boeing

airplane, i admire their bravery for getting on a boeing spacecraft. boeing. how much trust if they lost here well, you know in their defense, it's a giant company, but on the other hand, it at some point somebody's in charge of the company and there is a culture there. >> and, you know the reason we have these two spacecraft goes back to what losing columbia and nasa said, hey, you need two different ways to get up to the space station. >> we're going to retire the shuttle we've got two companies, spacex signed up a couple billion dollars and they've done a great job ever since flawless they wanted to get option b, which was boeing. they needed another billion or so to do it and they've been dragging their feet. so now they're stuck with the option b is not really being an option and so they're having to figure this out in real time. and nobody expected this ad in the fact, you probably asked about the safety culture, it's there, it's real. there are people that wake up every morning worried about the crew coming home with boeing or at nasa the problem is, when you

have a culture like that, anybody can raise their hand for any reason after a while you get more reasons why you shouldn't do something, then you should but it's all about crew safety so nasa builds this whole hornet's nest of, hey, what about in the meetings? and it just ends up right? we've got now all right. keep cowering for us. thank you so much. i'm sure we'll be having you back to update on this all right. >> let's turn now to this monday was. >> sudden all right, in the political world that is a rich man's world is full of multimillionaires. >> one man is standing out for a different reason. a review of tim walz's personal finances indicates the minnesota governor is by far the least wealthy candidate on either party's ticket this year. together, tim and gwen walz earned about 100 $166,000 in 2022 with his republican vice

presidential counterpart, j.d. vance, raking in about $1.3 million according to the wall street journal while its recent financial disclosures show he has no stock holdings, no bonds, no real estate, something that his campaign hopes could give them some credibility with the working class. and walz made a pitch along these lines to union workers yesterday vice president harris grew up in a middle-class family, picked up shifts at that mcdonald's as a student can you simply picture donald trump working at a mcdonald's trying to make a mcflurry or something oh, he knows. >> he knows as he knows as he couldn't run that dam flurry, mcflurry machine if it does seem anything i will say i don't think i could run a mcflurry seen either old other. >> that's one thing. >> matt, how do you think? this place? >> i think one of the things that the vance team when they when they announced his vp, really hoped to set that was kind of middle-class roots. he worked in ohio, kind of putting himself in a classroom. so

poor. >> they put himself really that was obviously laced all through hillbilly elegy, which that 1.2 or 3 million a lot of it was that that book i'm curious to see if that is something we hear more about, right? we've kind of gone a little bit off track with some of his bio. i'm curious if they reset and hear more about that and weeks to come yeah. >> i mean, i do think it's an issue big picture that you basically have often you have to be rich to win elections. >> you know, you have to be rich because of money in politics. it's actually one of the things we should fix. but the thing that is so important for anyone and who's seeking voters votes is that they'd be relatable. that people say, i think this is a person who knows what i'm experiencing. so i do think it matters just like he has been able to use his bio is being a coach. in the fact that people are just calling him coach now and a teacher and have these images of kids hugging him all of those just are speaking to mel exactly. it helps me the image lines up with the reality yeah, look, there are many politicians, republicans and

democrats alike who spend a lot of time in congress and somehow despite making the congressional salaries end up with a lot of money in their bank accounts. tim walz is elected to 2006, he served until 2018 and washington than the last 67 years is governor here it is. it is notable that he has not amassed much money, right? yeah, that he he just was doing the jobs and not taking side things here it also i assume made the the vetting process a little bit easier for the harris team much more straightforward. >> indeed. >> all right, i'll leave you with this age of streaming music. guess what's making a comeback? >> cassette tapes aarieanna grand day one of the popstar cars cashing in on this cassette tape revival. >> she's selling a tape of her new song. we can't be friends for seven bucks online. both sides, be inside a are the same

song. they're different version taylor swift and charli xcx also releasing their new album on the classic format from the 80s and 90s, fans are flocking to the tapes. and i have to say, i thought we are going to say specifically that these are gen z fans, apparently, and they don't really fully know how to use them. one mom told the wall street journal about the trench saying, quote, i shot showed my daughter how to wind it back using a finger and quote, i told her we used to use a pencil to do this when i walk in the room, still make the whole meet the band and it may come as no surprise last year taylor swift was among the leaders and cassette tapes sales with two of her albums, landing in the top five of cassette sales in 2023, according to build ford, as the journal notes, swift wasn't even alive when the walkman debuted. i guess i should also admit neither was i, although i will say this is a picture of my cassette tape collection which i i actually owe a lot of

people are way cooler than me for the list of bands that you can see in that picture, they were not all originally mine. i did buy that copy of fearless that you've seen the there from taylor swift. i use these in my corvette, which was from 1989, has a working cassette player. i'll be candid if i didn't have one in this car, i don't know where the heck i would get one where do you how do you get? >> i play nowadays? >> i mean that gets to this story. so this is the, a head in the wall street journal for those people who are not familiar with the journal and how they do these great little vignette stories every day. it's amazing. and they said that they had to buy one on ebay for $40 a walkman you had to walk, man. >> i had a while. i had a sports walkman. the other one that you would bang your hip when you ran ran with it beside you i have to say little headphones went over your head. >> walkman? >> definitely superior to the disk man, which like that this man was my childhood and those things like they skipped like crazy vinyl to come back for ten years? >> yes. >> so why is great? because that's a great i don't think cds should ever come back, not worth it. >> all right, guys. thank you very much. i really appreciate it. thanks to all of you for joining us. i'm kasie hunt.