a moment where people feel like this is bigger than her. it's bigger than themselves. this is like a collected guarding to feel that way. like it's the political coachella, which i'll do mine and ten seconds that's all the great reason why she picked walz because there'll be no protests at that event, shapiro would have been different story. >> my hot take in five seconds is the republican senators are all complaining about their nominee and they really don't understand why they don't have a haley or desantis. and when he loses you're going to see republican. the republican senators, the highest profile senators that you can speak to on this show are complaining in the back offices and in the hallways about their nominee and they can't believe that they're in this situation because if they had a haley or desantis, the polling would look very different. for lincoln and they are complaining and you could pretend otherwise. but i know these people i've been a donor for 25 years.

>> they had some choices in front of them that they didn't take. >> so gonna burn trump though if he loses, you want to thank you all very much and thank you for watching newsnight state of the race. >> laura coates live starts right now donald trump's cigs when his closest allies want him to zag. >> but is he off message or on-brand plus president biden gets ready to help kamala harris on the campaign trail, even as he's frustrated over being ushered out of the race and call it election deja, who google says, iran is hacking both presidential campaigns. and it's happening as we speak welcome to laura coates live. i'm audie cornish in for laura tonight. we're going to have a great conversation and we are going to start with the old political axiom. it's the economy stupid because that's

the issue voters really care about. and that's what republicans really want donald trump to talk about. according to at least his closest allies, what they've said to cnn, winning this fall is it's pretty straightforward. ditch the personal attacks and dig in on what they consider a big weakness for vice president kamala harris. bidenomics but that is not how it's playing out. take trump's comments today in asheville, north carolina, it was supposed to be a speech focused on his economic vision for the country. for example, he committed to cut thing energy and electricity prices by 50%. although we should use the word committed lightly, but the republican nominee is rhetorical detours, took him exactly where his allies did not want him to go. the land of personal attacks what happened to her laugh, i haven't heard that laugh at about a week. that's why they keep her off their sake. that's why she's disappeared. that's a laugh of a crazy person. you know why she hasn't done an interview, because she's not smart.

she's not intelligent all over the world. crime is down because they're taking, they're criminals and people well from mental institutions and they're putting them into our country because we have stupid people like kamala and joe running our country so we've seen how personal attacks are basically a staple of his political arsenal. and it doesn't really seem like that's going to change no matter how many anonymous allies leaked to the press, that it should and they certainly won't get any help from trump's running mate, j.d. vance to the people who say that donald trump should do something different. they had an opportunity to make donald trump do something different by challenging him over three separate primaries. every single one of which he won so i think that donald trump has earned the right to run the campaign that he wants to run so vance's write about this. >> i mean, trump took down more than a dozen republican primary challengers over three separate

elections. the goals and it's only worked once against a democrat, hillary clinton in 2016 so we'll letting trump run the campaign. he wants to run work in 2024, joining me now, cnn political analyst and new york times white house correspondent zolan kanno youngs and former deputy communications director dear to vice president kamala harris, rachel palermo. and of course, we have cnn political commentator and republican strategist, shermichael singleton. welcome all of you. shermichael, you are getting in me telling me this strategy, right since you're on the record, but basically up until this point, we have seen in the polling that voters trust trump more on the economy. does that feel right? yeah, an aggregate at the same time, harris is gaining momentum even on that issue. and then we've got like inflation cooling a little bit the lowest since 2021 is there a way for her to talk about

this economy effectively, even as people have like knock raid feelings about it and does it help her that trump can't just talk about that i'll answer the latter part of the question first. >> it absolutely helps at the former president can't stay on message. can she translate four-year close to four years of personal feelings, negative feelings about the economy despite the economic conditions appearing to improve it's probably going to take another two or three quarters before people actually feel it financially speaking i think it's possible. i think she can make the case that while i was vice president to the president making those ultimate decisions, i was still sort of in the backseat or at least a passenger seat of the car. i got it wasn't the driver. i wasn't able to make the decisions that i would make if i were to person right. >> we're going to leave that part to rachel and please take the lead. misses our she knows people would be open to come back to this thing about the personal attacks because on the

way to it's the economy stupid. he's just calling her stupid and is like, at what point is that not a good look. >> i mean, look, it excites his base, but electoral politics is about gains. you want to add, not subtract and for trump, you're looking at maybe or 4%, 5% national increase. he needs in order to pull off a similar 2016 victory. >> but it's not working the same way, right? >> like thinking about how many nicknames james he came up with for like all the rivals, there's no real kamala nicknamed the body, i would say it's not working for a couple of different reasons. >> vice president historic figure, not only issue a woman, she's a woman of color. >> it's just different from hillary clinton in 2016, which is why i think a lot of republicans, nikki haley, kevin mccarthy, senator lindsey graham, host of others are saying, stick to the issues because the dynamics is so fundamentally different harris has changed this from being a policy election and more of a movement, a cultural moment. >> and that's a very different type of campaign. if you're a republican, you have to run against something like that. that's why i don't think it's

very little rachel jump in on that because we have heard kind of conservative critique that's like this is somehow a kind of empty suit campaign that, because the talk about vibes and social media, she is not getting scrutinized on policy the way she could be by the media. >> and this is why they also talk about her needing to do a press call i'm very virginia interview, et cetera. so how are you thinking about how she should actually lay out an economic vision, right? is it a statement? is it coconuts and bratt is it an actual, you know, statements with the policies he's written the way that i see it is that vice president harris shouldn't run away from the record that she and president biden have had over the last three-and-a-half years, but isn't that the thought of being vice president, you get to be like, well, i didn't do that part. >> well, i think what she needs to do and what she's doing is remind the american people of where president biden and vice president isn't a harris were witness administration started, the reality is that donald trump mismanaged the pandemic.

the economy went into a tailspin. he was one of two presidents in history to have less jobs when they left office than when he went into office. and then biden and harris took office in january 2021. they recovered the economy. they created jobs and unemployment right now, is at a historic low. inflation is at the lowest that it's been. what the bug argument was before he left the race. and it didn't resonate, right? i mean, look, the economy, as well as immigration. when you look at polls, when you interviewed democrats, when you have republicans, and most importantly, voters, was a political vulnerability for this administration we are entering an interesting time here. the reporting shows that the vice president has an event tomorrow where she's going to be focusing on the economy. >> we are hearing that they are framing a slight shift where no longer just talking about i've sort of manufacturing and job growth, but more so sort of methods to lower costs as well

would cost as the buzzword, correct? >> correct. consumer costs, which directly that's that's an effort to confront inflation. the problem is the president was doing that too. he was talking about junk fees. he was talking about efforts to rein in ticketmaster, all of that was also in the vein of trying to reassure americans that they were doing something about consumer costs. but that messaging did not work now, if you're vice president harris, do you continue to soak up what is really high energy right now or as you turn to policy and as you turn to the economy, do you run the risk of also tapping into some of the frustration with the voters. >> i just want to ask rachel one more thing. one thing trump said in asheville today that really hit my ear is when he made that joke about kamala harris essentially copying his idea about taking away taxes on tips everyone's nodding here, right? like it was a moment where i was like, yeah, pretty much like i don't like, helped me understand a moment like

that why the campaign would be like let's start with this before we talk about the whole rest of our economic policy. >> well, i think in terms of that, she was at a event where she had just been endorsed by a major union that has been historic for advocating for workers and good wages in our country. and so it made sense given the topic of what she was talking about. but in terms of donald trump's speech generally today, just taking a step he said he was going to talk about policy and then what he did was throw in salts. he was completely unhinged. his allies keeps saying stay on message, talk about policy, but the reality is donald trump is a bully and that was on display today. he can't deliver a coherent message and the reality is he is the one who's graded on a curve, the bar is so low for him but because he mentioned the economy, people act like it was somewhat substantive speech. but the reality is that it was just a lot of unhinged insults, again from him. all right. i want to talk about this new pew poll that's showing that the vice president is making headway with some key demographics by key, i think we kind of need in ones biden wasn't doing so

well width, young voters. >> some women voters. and she does significantly better against trump than biden did with black voters and latino voters, where she shows major improvement you know, when i was thinking about seeing these numbers, i was thinking about what trump had to say during his big free range kind of press conference when he mentioned the voters who keep things, he has some appeal with. i think we have that sound. it's my favorite cut of the thing i was doing very well with black voters and i still am i seem to be doing very well with black males. this is according to polls, as you know it's possible that it won't do as well with black women, but i do seem to do very well with other segments. extremely well with him. spanish jewish voters weigh up white males way up nailed it.

>> i mean, look, looking at those numbers, if vice president has improved democratic standing is generally speaking from where biden was but 55 or 52% with latinos, that's not enough. she needs to be a 60, 61%. she's at 77% were black voters writ large needs to be at 90 plus percent. >> and just for sex for the viewer, when we talk about what a candidate needs are not needed there are different ways to do this, right? like you can expand the electorate, which would be kind of the obama method. or there are certain people you can turn out who've never turned out before, or you can really do well with like you mentioned, white males like it's not there's no we don't know what the harris coalition is yeah. >> that's a good point, audie, but i haven't seen anything thus far that would lead me to believe that the vice president is increasing support with low propensity voters, if you want to talk about expanding the tent, i am seeing data that suggests she's overall exciting democratic voters, yet she's still needs to make up room with some key demographic groups, which does present a man mathematical opportunity for the former president.

>> one thing to note here too is i know we're talking about the moment here and sort of what the electorate is going to look like for the vice president. but starting in 2023, i remember reporting that the vice president's team early 2023, identified young voters and black men as potential weak spots for president biden and started inviting leaders of those groups to the residents, to the white house and focusing her speeches and trips on energizing that electorate group. now, my question moving forward is, does what we're seeing now, the result of that work right? or is it energy that's more so result of a change? hey, lbj at the top to add one more thing to this, we're getting some reporting now that this economic speech that she's giving on friday in north carolina, of course, a key state. she's going to announce a plan to basically prevent corporations in the food and grocery industries from unfairly jacking up prices on consumers, which is like, you know, it could be the first ever a federal ban on corporate price gouging. and this is a little bit of a switch, right?

from being like the numbers are really good. look at all these meta numbers about the economy to actually we know some prices are bad and here's what we're we're going to do. >> well, i think this builds on that and it puts her own spin on it. she was the former attorney general of california, and in that role, she was taking on bad actor. she was holding people accountable. and that's really the kind of person that she is. and that's the vision that she's putting forward. and so to me, this aligns it feels like she's building on the progress talking about continuing to lower costs, continuing to fight for the middle class. but she is also thinking about how she can take on people who are taking advantage of americans alright, we're going to talk more. >> so everybody standby ahead. president biden is set to hit the trail with kamala harris, and this will be the first time since he left the race however, new reporting as he's still stewing a bit about being pushed aside, we'll tell you who he's really frustrated with after this cnn is live from chicago as democrats unite

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try? i tried armor.com i'm dr. sanjay gupta in atlanta. and this is cnn president biden gets ready to hit the campaign trail with kamala harris for the first time since ending his reelection bid. >> it will not be all sunshine and roses politico reporting. biden remains angry and frustrated with former president obama's senate majority leader, chuck schumer. and of course, former house speaker nancy pelosi for essentially assuring him out of the race. so this could be i don't know, like an awkward thanksgiving dinner next week at the dnc. but to get the details, i want to bring in new york times reporter annie karni. hi there. any i audie, thanks for having me. >> so you've been reporting on this relationship between the

president and the former house speaker, pelosi herself has spoken publicly saying that they haven't been in touch. how did that like pique your interest? what did you try and find out about that relationship? >> well, i think that the rat first of all, pelosi has been doing a lot of interviews because of the very awkwardly timed rollout of her new book so she's been very available. >> this was planned months ago, and she's getting a lot of questions about her role in forcing the president to step aside she has been remarkably candid about the fact that there is a breach in the relationship. >> she has said she doesn't know if he's angry at her she has said she loses sleep, she cries and prays over hoping that they can restore their relationship she she's the one who has told us that they haven't spoken since the day. biden made the decision to step aside and not run for

reelection so we know a lot about the rift in this relationship from pelosi's on candidness of that. and i think she's being i think what she's saying is honest and i also think it's calculated. this has given her opportunity to defend president biden, who she truly loves. they have a friendship of 50 years on this disparaging has team, who she has a big problem with and we should mention that book is called the art of power, which i think is relevant here, because even though she's no longer house speaker we saw her just exert some kind of atmospheric pressure on this whole thing she doesn't have kind words for biden's team, which you note in the article, what are the things she he seemed to be kind of irked about i think she's she she just doesn't think they built a campaign that was capable of beating donald trump she i think she was irked at how they weren't showing him the same data that she was looking at

this show that there was no path and i she just didn't feel he was well served. i think that from my reporting, she has had issues with his team going back for some time now, so i think part of her venting about them was a lot of built-up frustration with how they've served the president. i also think it allows her to create a little bit of a space to compliment joe biden. she said in one interview that he belongs on mount rushmore. she's heaping praise on him because she wants to burnish his legacy that she is a huge part of. while putting the criticism that she has on the staff you could ask the follow-up question of who's responsible for the staff. it's the president but she's drawing a distinction there very clearly i found it interesting that in that walk to the weekend when he finally left, there were so many different voices coming out and i remember one of them, of course, was george clooney in this sort of inside baseball

political reporting, someone called him like a drone for barak obama, which i found completely wild, but it did get at this idea that people believe he didn't do enough. >> and it sounds like from your reporting, biden believe that too that obama didn't do enough? >> yeah that'll help him to write which he already hadn't done in 2016 during the clinton yeah look, there they have a long fraught relationship with obama and biden. i don't know that a message like the one pelosi delivered would have been receipt well received from joe biden, from brock obama. there's a chance that could have backfired. joe biden has a chip on his shoulder about how he was treated by the obama team sometimes then maybe would have made him dug in more nancy pelosi was a lot of first of all, a lot of people delivered this message to him. he met with hakeem jeffries one-on-one. he met with chuck schumer. they were all delivering same message of deep

concern about the future of the house, the senate and the white house. but nancy pelosi could speak to him as appear my story outlines that they've been friends since the 1970s and she also speaks to him for meeting unique place of two years ago, she decided to voluntarily give up power and step down from leadership so i think we're going to go ahead and they're not friends, right now. but that's the cost of her position of being the bearer of bad news. >> thank you so much for sharing some of this reporting and karni. appreciate your time thank you all right. so i want to talk to you guys about this and zolan, i want to come to you first because obviously you have been watching this white house from afar and i feel like with all administrations, there are these weird mix of like factions right? like, oh, these are the clinton people. these were the biden people. these were the obama people because

everyone kind of works for everyone else. >> how do you think that affected this? >> stew, right? as people are starting to back by each other. >> yeah. >> i mean, that week when the president got covid and went back to rehoboth beach, the week the days leading up to his decision to drop out the race, it really almost when you look at the people that he was talking to and that were around him, a crystallize just how much there is an inner circle around the president that there are people do definitely relies on his family for advice but also the mike donilon, steve or rachetti, the senior white house advisers that very much were in his inner circle, bowser, and the people who weren't informed, right? right. right. and those were the people first and fourth, those are the biden folks. right. but then you've also got democrats that had been getting increasingly loud with their concerns about his standing in this race nancy pelosi did it privately. there were others who did it

publicly, right and just to follow up on any story we know and we reported that in the days leading up to that decision friday and saturday, the president was stewing while he was quarantining at home. he was angry at the speaker, the former speaker, and he also was angry at former president barak obama as well not because there was reporting in that he that the former president conveyed any concern. we don't know that, but more so there was an expectation that he might come to his defense and sort of a sort of concern that he might be sort of still involved in encouraging other democrats let's take come out and voice their concerns. so there's absolutely factions when it came down to this absolutely. >> rachel, i don't know if this is worth re litigating given that the party is in a way trying to move on but it strikes me that all of this will be on display, so to speak. at the convention, right? clintons are going to speak. obama is going to be

biden's going to speak and pelosi, i don't know if she'll probably walk into applause. like, what are we going to be looking at with all of these people, personalities coming together next week, the way that i see it is that president biden made a very difficult decision to stop running for reelection he put him he put his country over self, and i think not selflessly, like he was asked pretty pretty forcefully over and over again. to do so. >> but at the end of the day, it was his decision and i think that what's important here is that why you still bad decision the way i think about it too is that donald trump would have never made a decision like that. and i think that's why he's actually spiraling out of control and he can't and he, he still thinks he's running against joe biden. he can't comprehend someone pudding country over self in this way. and when i think about next week and the convention, i see a democratic party that has never felt more united. there is energy, there's excitement, it feels like everyone is coming together really rallying. record stretch.

>> so a former biden chief of staff, ron clade starts. it's trying >> calls from elected officials from to drop out from donors, calling them to drop out. and i think that was wrong. that's all in the past, anderson, he decided to drop out. he decided to endorse the vice president. her campaign is going well we have a better chance than ever to defeat donald trump this fall so is that kind of dislike, tacit admission basically from the biden world that there was no path to victory. >> also i think that they're acknowledging that president biden thought it was time to pass along the baton. and now what we're seeing is historic excitement, saying that i read about he did not think it was time to pass the baton right-hand but i did like what he did. there was more for me

to do which is why i didn't want to do this be this brit. do you know what i'm talking about? he wants to be the bridge to the next-generation and then he said publicly, least twice, look, i think i have more to do and i'm the right person to do it i mean, let's be clear also earlier that week, i was at the naacp speech. >> i spoke to aids around the white house and his staffers they were still bullish or at least sort of voicing, you that they were going to be proving the doubters wrong at that point he came out and gave that speech and fully seemed intent on staying in the race. i talked, interviewed ron clay and on after he dropped out and ron clean as well was saying that he thought the president was still the best candidate up until he dropped out. but his inner circle still fully believed that he and that the media pushing that i'm rachel, i'm not trying to say that this talking point is wrong. i

mean, we are going to see harrison biden side by side, right? they're going to be out there what it will be like for them to campaign together, right? because it's like a different scenario in a way where he's got not cede ground, but like how what do we what are you expecting to see? >> well, i do think it has been good that over the last few weeks it's been vice president harris here in the spotlight campaigning. she's been carving her own message. she's been talking about her vision of moving forward, not back in about about opportunity and about fundamental freedoms. and she's really been able to do that but i think that now that she's been able to define herself over these last few weeks, now it is time for her to be able to stand next to president biden and for them to be able to talk about the record of what they've accomplished together over these last three-and-a-half years. and i also think that when it comes to the convention next week, yeah, there's a lot of talk inside the beltway about who is getting along with who and whom mad at who, but the american people don't care about that. what they care about is who is fighting for

them, who's fighting for the middle-class, who fighting for my freedoms, and who is trying to take them away. and that's the choice that thank you. >> sure. mike, i haven't abandoned you. i just wanted to make sure that i just if your strategy is i'm going to run on my own policies on my vision of what the future should look like campaigning with the guy with a ton of net negatives politically speaking, is going to make it very, very easy for republicans to target those equatable voters in the middle with a ton of ads attempting to define hares width binds record which she's been attempting to get away from it. i would argue over the past two weeks effectively, i think campaigning what biden would be a terrible mistake maybe one or two appearances here or there, but i certainly wouldn't advise it as well. >> we'll see one of those appearances tomorrow. i have one more thing that i cannot resist talking about here, michael cnn has confirmed that rfk junior tried to meet with kamala harris to discuss a cabinet role in exchange for his endorsement the harris

campaign has not responded yet. he floated a similar proposal to the trump campaign, i guess three weeks ago. i read here but was rejected help me understand what we are looking at here. i don't know what it's like to take that phone call, but i do know for a time it seemed like the trump folks were feeling like rfk junior was a pull on them. >> i mean, i think it mattered several months ago when he was polling around 15 to 18%. and the belief, generally speaking, was at percent of those voters were individuals who are likely trump supporter. >> you think he missed? >> absolutely is probably at 5%, give or take, maybe even less depending on which poll you look at. i think his relevancy has gone down down a toilet. >> scenario, you work for a campaign that phone call comes in. do you put it through are you just like we'll take his calls to miss that vote? we months ago. sorry. do all right. >> i want to add to this because new tonight the harris-walz campaign is releasing a new clip of what

really happened when harris called walz to offer him the vp role? that campaign, hoping to show showcase what i call pfam? yes. you didn't answer ten i know the most important call of my life. >> it popped up and we didn't recognize the caller id, you know, went through, went to voice-mail was not able to ayten. >> it's common law. i really wanted to talk to you it is an amazing privilege. >> i'm excited. i just want to be part of the excitement that you're generating. >> we're done it together better we're doing it together i don't know social media people like give them an me. i mean, that was a whole movie it's just dumping do a mean near you. >> is it basically showing chemistry? yes. i mean, this is the thing we've been talking about sort of how to make

policy arguments. but up until this point, this hasn't been a campaign on either side really full of policy. it's been one to sort of, you know entertain and won a vibes and one to sort of build emotion and look voters connect with emotion. they do have also heard a voter say, look, we are actually kind of know what these people represent at this point. >> and you're voting for what they represent. >> know i think so. i mean, i don't know how long the vibes will last. right? i want us to start looking know not you. i just made a collective way this moment. we'll last maybe once we get closer to labor day i don't really what am i doing here? >> we are i think at the end of the day when people are looking at their status in life over the past three-and-a-half years and they begin to ask themselves a fundamental question. >> do i feel good and do i believe i will be better off? under this particular person? i think minds may change. i think this race will become a lot closer. we did not assume that

donald trump would win in 2016, i believe by nine points. he was underestimated by five points in 2020. and then i would imagine if you were to factor in, unless, say, three points this time around, you look at the polling numbers in fact, in the margin of error, you're looking at a racist coming out here that number is i'm like, let me get a sprint. rachel, i don't want these men to have the last word, so let me give it to you. >> what exactly i feel like at a certain point vibes and cool social media will not be enough and i don't say that to follow the republican talking point, but just legitimately, like you're going to start telling us somehow what your vision for the country is. will we hear something that detailed at the convention? >> i think at the convention we're going to see what we've been seeing over her stops with these speeches of ten to 15 thousand people in the crowds, which is her vision of moving forward. she's going to draw that contrast and also she's talking about things like democracy. >> but as an extension of what biden has always said, or will

we see any kind of detour new direction splitting off? >> i have felt like whenever she speaks, it's never just an extension of what the president saying. she has her own record, she has her own experience in california and in the senate that she calls on whenever she's giving these kinds of speeches. and i think what she's going to do is continue building on that. she's going to talk about her own lived experience and it's going to be something that resonates with people all right, you guys. >> thank you so much for letting me a poke are doing i appreciate thanks for the vibes if you thought this election cycle resemble 2016, try this. google is confirming iranian hackers are targeting the harris and trump campaigns. that's going on right now. so what's being done to stop it going to have more detail in a moment, so please stay with us comedy is coming to cnn what could go wrong i got news for

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presidential election. we're going to talk more about this with someone who knows a ton about cybersecurity and elections. alex stamos, former chief security officer at facebook well and chief information security officer at sentinel, one so alex, first of all, google says that this alleges operation is ongoing, that it's more wide spread. can you tell us what we know about iranian hacker kind of operations in general, like, what are they trying to achieve? >> yes so iranian hackers often operate out of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, which is the iranian paramilitary force that reports directly to the ayatollah and has generally home to the best hackers that work for the islamic state and the irgc has been active for at least 15 years. we have seen them go after american businesses the state department, the commerce department. and in the past, a

number of american political campaigns. this is not the first election that they have been involved in. they had some activity in 2016, but they were most active, most notably in 2020 when they tried to run and influence campaign that tried to create the idea that the proud boys had hacked the voting systems in multiple states. and we're trying to rig the election on behalf of donald trump. they sent death threats to members of the naacp such released videos that was fortunately debunked pretty quickly by the fbi and other government agencies. but this is not the first time the iranians have tried to influence the us election right? >> i mean, i want to ask you because google said in its report that there can continue to observe unsuccessful attempts hacking personal accounts but you've testified before congress that the u.s. is kind of losing the battle in this arena is it a good sign that these are unsuccessful

attempts at google was able to report it out publicly. >> so we've now heard from both google and microsoft, which are the two largest host of email in this country for both personal and corporate accounts. and as you said, what we've heard is that roger stone had his personal gmail account hacked, then what looks like what happened is hurt. his account was then used to prick members of the trump campaign into giving up their credentials to their professional trump campaign. microsoft account. so that's the sequence that happened several months ago that allowed the iranians to get into the files. an email accounts of the trump campaign they have been accessible. >> what google is saying is that they're continuing to attack it. >> the challenging thing here is that you'll campaigns are things that kind of stood up for relatively short period of time. and so all of the people involved in the then biden now harris campaign and the trump

campaign are people who use their personal gmo male accounts, their outlook accounts there, yahoo, maybe all accounts depending on their age. for a lot of their correspondence, because that's what they use as political consultants, political professionals for a long period of time. and those are accounts that are not being controlled, are monitored are secured by security professionals. perhaps, unlike the it campaign accounts themselves. so that mix political king, skin pains, much better targets than perhaps the people who are working directly in the white house, for example, alex, in the short time we have left, you said there vulnerable, but shouldn't they be better prepared, especially since 2016? >> yes, it is. it is kind of shocking. and what we've seen is there has, they have not been effective in getting into the harris campaign. and i think that's because democrats looked at 20:16 and have taken this threat very seriously republicans have said that 2016 was a hoax, and i think that was a huge mistake fortunately,

because many republicans believed the run russian hack of the hillary campaign was a hoax that the russia did not really interfere in 2016, republicans have not taking this threat seriously. and now they are paying the price for not believing that foreign interference is something that should be a real bipartisan issue, that all americans are concerned about. >> okay. salma, thank you for your expert expertise here. we appreciate your time thank you okay. next, the world's wealthiest man is trying to use his social media platform to amplify his political views. but elon musk is also spreading a lot of misinformation while doing it. fellow billionaire mark cuban says, musk has lost the connection to the real-world life this better

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twitter. >> his audio conversations shan on x with trump drew more than 25 million listeners, at least according to the trump campaign. and it also generated headlines for days. but there is still a lot of disinformation that proliferates on x. musk is still helping to spread it case in point, we unfounded claims that an olympic female boxer from algeria was not a woman post by some x users, including musk fueled much of the misinformation about the athlete. and now she is suing musk over it some ceos may think these are taboo topics, but fellow tech billionaire mark cuban believes musk wants to be in this position elon and being one of those powerful people he's trying to be the most influential man in the world. >> sounds like a commercial, but literally that's what twitter has given you good to that point, sometimes where i think they've lost the connection to real-world with me now, an expert on

misinformation, imran ahmed, founder and ceo of the center for countering digital hate. imran, i want to talk to you for a couple of reasons. one because you've been sued by a mosque at one point. right. but also so because you keep a close eye on what's going on, social media. and it feels like with meta, facebook, et cetera, they step back from politics are said like look, we don't want to be in this arena so much and musk has gone completely in the other direction. so what does that mean for spread of misinformation? >> well, i think elon's very much seen x as being a platform to get his way i mean, i think we, mark zuckerberg and others what they did was build platforms that let them make tons of money on musk. clearly isn't in it for the money he spent an enormous amount of money on it on a failing platform that is losing hand over fist every year. >> and the advertisers fleeing advertisers fleeing in part, he says, because of the research that we've done showing a massive rise in toxicity on his platform. >> but he built it. he's, he's bought this platform because he

wants to be able to get his point of view across. you wants to be able to get his way and he knows that twitter is the single most influential platform when it comes to politics and journalism. it's it's the way that elites have communicated to each other for some years now. >> but as a result, is it we've all heard twitter isn't real life so like when you actually look at it today, does it have the power or as journalists deletes, et cetera, are we over? for playing it, talking about this the way we are. >> i think you're right to an extent, it absolutely it doesn't reflect reality. and in fact, bad actors have worked out to weaponize that platform to create fake, fake proof that for the popularity of their ideas. but let me ask you a question. when something happens, what do most journalists, what do most? politicians turned to immediately on their fans? >> why did you have to call me out like this, right every time? >> and that's the problem is that it does it does give us a reality in the last few weeks and months when we've had the

olympics going on, there have been riots in the uk race riots, which have all over the united kingdom in the election period when of course that very dramatic moment when joe biden stepped down and kamala harris, kamalaharris, sorts of stuff started her ascendancy. we were all glued to that platform and that's where the power comes from. >> so let's talk about weapon hours because he actually sued your organization and lost. but recently he sued an ad industry group that was leading a boycott of x specifically over the issue of misinformation. it what's called the global alliance for responsible media. and they basically said, look, we're shutting down because this is drained our finances. >> so can you talk about how he tries to go after his critics what i think it's not just his critics elon musk's output that the things he says sometimes quite bananas but he's very rational when it comes to protecting his business and his revenue

streams. and he knows that he's made terrible economically terrible mistake by buying x $44 billion. it's losing billions a year. and he has to pay 1.5 billion a year, just in interest payments. so he's in real trouble there economically. the advertisers are all fleeing. so the first thing he did was sue the organization that's proving that toxic these increasing that was us now, he's literally suing the advertisers, saying how dare you leave my platform, you're all leaving on mass and in doing so, that is somehow a antitrust violation and really this is sort of an increasingly desperate attempt by a man. first of all, he's seen his critics. now he's suing businesses because they weren't be his friends he can't see the problem which is that it's his own behavior. that's causing all of this, all of his problems. there is something almost like a biblical parable to be written from his own actions. hubris,

leading to the downfall of a man who was once widely respected, but now is increasingly seen as a bit unhinged around them had thank you so much for talking with us, giving us this context. we appreciate it. my pleasure, and we want to thank you all for being with us tonight. i want you to also consider keeping the conversation going online over at cnn audio, where we're asking how did trump win over silicon valley's loudest voices like elon musk. how is kamala harris using her california routes to woo tech industry donors? my podcast is called the assignment. we're going to be tackling all those questions and more vitis wherever you get or pop thanks so much for watching anderson cooper 360 is next ryan and mikah are taking on to hotels. what if i took on one of the hotels and you did the other two teams, we are going to be bryant 100 days and the best don't tell when 100 days hotel challenged special series continues tuesday night at 8:00

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