financial crimes. he has more and out and kind of getting all of it because do you think there is a chance that alec murdoch will see a day of freedom in his life never, never he's also appealing the 40 year federal sentence that he got because he pled guilty to the financial crimes. but the financial crimes were always a backstop. that convictions and the sentences to this double murder conviction, i don't believe he's ever going to get out and if he does, he'll be deep into his 70s early 80s and would be considered older at that time. but i think there's a good chance that this case may get a retrial if the supreme court or some federal court says that looks south carolina, you should have applied the federal standard. >> wow, i mean remember watching this trial so closely

and how it all played out. and to think that the work of all of the jury and the time of base spent to reach the verdict that they did say now they now just back in. they might see another trial of this kind of going back to square one on this one is quite wild. thank you so much, eric. it's good to see you and new hour of cnn, new central starts now donald trump announces a press conference for later today. >> the last was full of fiction, fantasies and falsehoods. so what exactly is the campaign? fain want to get out of this? we've got brand new details on the economic rollout from vice president kamala harris, how she says she will save seniors billions any bizarre legal nightmare for one widower now has the happiest place on earth in the hotseat i'm john berman with kate bolduan and sara sidner this is cnn news central for the first

time since joe biden bowed out and commonly harris jumped in the president and the vp about to hold their first joint event. >> today, there is new reporting this morning on how biden is turning his attention now to really getting harris elected with a first focus on lowering drug prices the president's ready to tout the results of drug price negotiations that the white house says will save medicare enrollees more than $1 billion this rollout comes just before kamala harris is set to roll out her own big policy pitch, a speech on the economy tomorrow cnn's isaac dovere has more on all of this for us, isaac, let's start with the today biden-harris together at this joint event, what more are you learning about what they're announcing? >> like this isn't just a proposal. this is something that has now done. they've negotiated drug prices through medicare on ten of the most

popular medications, things that affect heart disease, diabetes that they say will save americans, especially seniors. billions of dollars. and it is about the administration saying, look, this is worth, we we've done through legislation that we've passed that will make a direct impact on people's lives over the course of the years to come and that is part of what is happening as harris and biden appear together for the first time, really since the change in the campaign that it's not just, hey, we're standing campaigning next week we're talking about what we've done together, the connection between the biden administration and kamala harris looking to be part of that administration, of course, is the vice president, but also the continuation of it as she tries to get elected herself. >> and i will say, when you speak with the administration over the course of the of biden's presidency? do you speak to democrats on capitol hill, lowering drug prices is one of the things that they talk about over and over again as look what we have done. we

asked answered, promised, and delivered and this is kind of this is one of their big big things. also then folding this into tomorrow, harris begins to lay out really her policy vision of her campaign tomorrow with this economic speech, what are you hearing about it well, look, she's going to be in north carolina, a state that she is looking to put back on the map, isn't a real competitive way politically. >> and she's going to start talking about her ideas. now, this is the difference between what she's talking about today with joe biden, something that is done and what you'll talk about tomorrow, something that she is saying she wants to do a bit big focus on. it will be trying to are talking about an attempt to have a ban on price gouging in supermarkets to go after companies that raise prices unfairly. of course, we don't know the details of it and i'm not sure that even her campaign could give us that much of the details of it. we'll see as things go tomorrow morrow this is the

more traditional part of a presidential campaign where you're proposed ideas and say, this is what i'd like to do, but it is the first real thing that we are seeing out of kamala harris as a policy proposal since she became the nominee, a couple of weeks ago. >> and this may be a normal course of the campaign, but it's also been put under certain kind of new spotlight because it's been part of the attack coming from the trump campaign is that they can't find her policy positions anywhere. look at our website, you can't find it. we hear that over and over again. so let us see, good to see you, isaac. thank you. sara speaking of donald trump, he will take more questions from reporters at a news conference today. >> the last time he did so he lied but a whole bunch of times all the while lobbying really personal attacks at kamala harris, a flurry of republican allies. then asked him publicly to rein it all in and stay focused cnn's steve contorno is joining us now. steve trump had a chance to stay on message yesterday in north carolina, but it derailed oh, pretty early that's right, sara, he

certainly gave some lip service to some of the economic policies that he wanted to discuss and his team really wanted him to focus on. >> he talked about his plan to get rid of taxes on tips and on social security, but even he acknowledged that he didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about this. i won't point and he said we're going to talk about one subject and then we will start going back to the other stuff because we love that. and he also said they say the economy is most important subject. i'm not sure that it is. and then from there he went on to attack vice president harris with some of these familiar retorts that we have seen from him lately, these mean mean-spirited tax, take a listen to what he said. >> she is not a brilliant person she is not a smart person she is not very smart but it is crazy is that though isn't it crazy? she was so disrespected just a few weeks ago. and now it's like comma

comma law now that's not the focus that many republicans want to see from donald trump. they were hoping that he would stay on message because the economy is one of those areas where they believe they have the upper hand over democrats that we just got through this long period of inflation and republicans believe that is an area that harris is vulnerable because she as vice president during these past four years. but donald trump even saying he didn't think the economy was the most important subjects. sara onenote, he did say her name right in that clip though, steve contorno. >> thank you so much. appreciate your reporting john i just want to play a little bit more of what trump said about the vice president during the so-called economic speech most embarrassing day. that's why they keep her off their sake. that's why she's disappeared. that's a laugh of a crazy person. her laugh, his career threatening. >> it's going to come out. that's a laugh of a person with some big problems. >> all right, with us now is

congressman jim clyburn, democrat from south carolina, congressman. it's always great to see you when you hear donald trump go after the vice president's laugh attack, her intelligence. what do you hear? >> well, thank you very much for having me i hear the sounds of a desperate man this management desperate for a long time, not just since you came into this race he told campaign about being desperate he is running not for this office but a way from his life's history. and recent convictions and trying to find a way to modify if not another fight. those convictions so that's what i hear when they launch into these kinds of attacks this lady has a great record she didn't become the district attorney in san francisco or

does she become the attorney general of california or the united states senator from california? but for the fact that she is studiously prepared for this job nobody gets on the job training to be vice president or to be precedent. it developed a record for the public to see they let the public know that if given the opportunity, what you have seen in my record is the kind of approach you see me gift to govern it and i think that's why she's taken off like a rocket ship. since becoming the best something that now and i do believe she is going to be successful in this camp that we haven't had a chance to talk to you since the former president

went before the national association of black journalists and basically said that he just found out that vice president harris was black in question at her heritage, what is it a you think is going on there well, you just noticed and it was a mentioned that he finally pronounced her name correctly. >> that means to me that he is a slow learner. if he did not know that she was black, he is a slow learner. i knew that before i ever met her. she didn't select howard university because he was not black girls, historically, black college and historically black university in this instance, i'm a graduate of one. i know is a certain sense of pride in selecting the schools and she decided to join. it's a raw day the

oldest african american sorority, apple kappa alpha why does he do all of that? if she were not identified as being blocked in our society irrespective what your background may maybe you have some choices as to who you would like to be. the first president soft-land stay caused the sbc that i attended selected being black his parents were not black he were adopted i black parents and therefore decided the living life has been like these are charges that people may she made that choice. and i think donald trump is obligated to respect and honor that choice. >> have you had a chance to talk to president biden since he left the presidential race well, we talk as he was leaving the race and after he issued

this statement i have communicated with him, but we have not had what i would call a one-on-one conversation with them. what's your understanding of his mood right now? >> using the good mood i suspect that he is not happy with some of the public statements and public actions that were taken this whole issue but i noticed and yesterday, he joked about inviting people to the white house because he's looking for a job i think he is in a real good place because joe biden knows that he's book ending a tremendous record here that no president of the united states i could, ever match that they

haven't been vice president for eight years the two, the first african american president in these united states and when he got the opportunity to run for president himself, he took on an african american woman and asian american woman to be his running mate. and now he is an opportunity to work to hand off the presidency to that woman so that she can be the first woman president of these united states what a record, what a legacy that's the kind of stuff that joe biden has been living for all of his life. and i do think that this puts me in a very good place as he worked to get the disappointments you've got to be just disappointed not getting a second term. but he is going to be one happy man when he leaves the presidency carson jim clyburn great to see you this morning. thank you so much. >> okay. >> so new report this morning that both the trump and harris

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what were sort of bracing for were preparing for is potentially more documents to be leaked after this, however, so far, it's been pretty minimal in terms of what we've seen in the public realm we don't know with definitive certainty that iran is the one leaking the documents but the fbi and the justice department is preparing to investigate this. they're gathering all the information that they can. and i expect there to be more public warnings from us authorities in advance of the election to say, watch out for suspicious documents. there's foreign intelligence service is trying to undermine confidence in the political process. kate yeah, for sure, john. >> thank you so much for the reporting. sara. >> all right what lower drug prices the biden-harris administration says that is exactly what they are delivering up next health and human services secretary, xavier becerra joins us to talk about it and how it will lower prescription drug costs and a woman died and at disney

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sir, for being here. first of all, what drugs are covered because not everything. and why were they chosen? then to be the first to have prices lowered sara first, thanks for having me. >> secondly, these were drugs that congress essentially gave us the direction on how to select them. there, the ten most expensive drugs and the medicare program, just to give you an idea, just those ten drugs out of the more than 3,500 drugs that medicare covers cost about getting close to 50 billion in one year. just those ten drugs. and we then took those ten drugs did negotiations dropped the price $6 is what we estimate will be saved if you use the price that we got now, as a result of negotiation and applied it to 2023, those same drugs we would have saved $6 billion in the medicare program. and as you said on top of that because some medicare beneficiaries

have to pay out of pocket. additionally, we would have saved them about we can save them about 1 $1,000,000,000.5 moving forward, i'm curious why it's only ten drugs. >> i think that's going to happen in 2026 of those prices will drop 15 for 2027 and so on. why can't the government negotiate prices for all the drugs to lower costs for patients and for medicare great question if you're looking for a job, you've got one at hhs. >> we would love to have it be more than ten congress said first-year, you didn't go she 8-10. next year, you can negotiate 15 and so forth and so forth. i think part of it was to make sure that everyone in the health care system could handle the change. remember, this is the first time in history we're going to, we got to negotiate to lower the price of prescription medication in the medicare program. and so it's no easy don't, feet, we can do it. we'd like to do it for more brat back president biden has said, there's no reason why these negotiations apply only to the medicare

program in the 66 million people who are part or medicare, it should apply to everybody you're not going to want to hire me at hhs out for this question, just letting you know merch and the us chamber of commerce, which has drug company executives on its board, filed separate lawsuits against the government arguing that the negotiation, negotiating drug prices like this in medicare is unconstitutional. they have many different reasons why it's unconstitutional according into them. how concerned are you that this lawsuit will go forward or these lawsuits will go forward and wipe out the drug costs lowering program sara, every one of the companies that has these ten drugs that we negotiated has sued us to stop us from negotiating. although those companies have also engaged voluntarily in the negotiations. and all of them a reached with us a fair price. and so this is america. they're going to do what they got to do they're going to make their

money. we're going to continue to try to save money at the end of the day, by the way, in most of the there hasn't been a case in court where the pharmaceutical companies have one so we're going to keep moving forward. >> but it is what it is. they want to make more money. we want to say people more money. it is what it is secretary, how the airbus sara, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> appreciate your time. >> thank you john. all right. new polls this morning. she'll vice president harris gaining with a key group of voters, the group that could decide the election and we are standing by for a new retail sales report literally coming out in 28, 27 seconds we're going to pour over the numbers during the break and tell you what y'all means. stay with us hen to.

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might be, or up until this point was one of the key, if not the key voting bloc in this election, the so-called double haters, people who didn't like either donald trump or president biden. what's happening with them? yeah. alright, so let's take a look at double haters as you pointed out, these are folks who dislike joe biden as well as donald trump. and i want you to look at their voting patterns, who they want for president. now let's go back to june. what we saw was 28% of those folks we're going for joe biden compared to 19% who said they were going for donald trump. now that kamala harris is the democratic nominee, look at her support among them. look at this 53%, say kamala harris, look at that jump that's a jump of 25 points. donald trump has gone in the other direction down to 11 points. and now we're looking at what is that, john, that is a 42 point advantage among the folks who dislike joe biden and donald trump for kamala harris compared to just that nine point advantage that joe biden had back in june. this of course, is of substantial portion the electorate before kamala harris gotten this was going to be the group that was going to determine one way or

another. and it may still be and if it is kamala harris has this massive advantage which over this very key bloc in the election. >> i just want to point out again what we have seen in the last few weeks. are these big shifts in polling. you don't normally see right now at least, but that's an giant increase in no time. >> that is a giant increase in eau time. it turns out picking a nominee who is actually pretty close to having an even net favorability rating that is favorable well, minus unfavorable is a pretty good thing as opposed to one that has a net negative favorability as joe biden right? >> what more do we know about some of these people, these double haters, to be careful always said that shifted their preference yeah. >> so who are these double-haters who have shifted their preference? this is again, a key group of voters but as these are people somewhat disapproved of joe biden's job as president, somewhat disapprove. and this isn't the key battleground states of michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. look at the advantage that kamala harris has with this group. look at this. she's at 55% donald trump has just at 36%.

and this was a key bloc of voters back in the 2022 midterms normally when you diaa president with a disapproval rating well north of 50%, you would think his party was a major trouble, but democrats, actually one that block by four points and a close race for the house democrats look at kamala harris, his advantage. now though it's 19 points well more than that, four points that the house democrats had back in 2022. and so again, you're wondering how is it? that kamala harris is doing so well despite the fact that joe biden is so unpopular, it's because those people who are lukewarm on him, they don't like him, but they don't hate him. they are going and heavy numbers for kamala harris in those key battleground states of michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin, there's this bizarre story this morning that we probably should be talking about more, which is that rfk junior the new york times the reporting has been doing the post reporting has been doing outreach to the harris campaign, wanting to to to meet maybe he would endorse her in return for a job. that aside, yeah where have rfk junior's voters so far as they exist, been going the last few yeah, that is truly a bizarre

campaign and you know, we spoke about this earlier last two weeks ago oh that that rfk junior's support was falling through the floor and the question is who are his voters going to? so these are people who supported rfk junior in july and now back look at this 39% of those who backed rfk junior and july are now back in kamala harris way more than the 20% who are backing donald trump now, he's still getting 39 hi percent if you're only holding on to two-fifths or your support from july, you're falling to the floor, which rfk junior is doing. but the key nugget here is kamala harris is picking up a slew of those voters who are disaffected, said they're going to look for third party, they're no longer voting for third-party by a two-to-one margin, they're voting for, say they're going to vote for kamala harris over donald trump. and that is a big one. reason why in that pew research center poll that came out yesterday, harris was up by one as opposed to joe biden being down by four back in the month of july, as i said, it is so important to have you here explaining these historic shifts that we are seeing, at least right now in this campaign. >> this was the most boring

campaign, at least in my lifetime, through june since then, it's been asked absolutely nutter butter emmer seeing these shifts that we really never see, it's something exciting to see from a political analyst standpoint that imay from pure data perspective, understand harry and thank you very much for joining us right now, democratic strategist, julie roginsky and former senior adviser to the trump 2016 campaign. >> jason osborne. it's good to see you guys. thank you. >> so let julie you've got the reporting. we'll talk about rfk. if we have we've got the reporting and the analysis that you heard from harry that how harris is making inroads, where harris is making inroads in terms of the dilbert double haters or kind of showing the contours of the momentum that we've already been seeing in the polling. one place to donald trump his remained ahead, though before and is currently is on the economy and here's his now going to be rolling out this big. it's a big moment for her as she's rolling out this economic plan tomorrow how much is riding on it then? >> well, first of all, harris

is catching up to him on the economy. there's some polls that actually show her being more trusted, but look, it is the number one issue in the country, despite with donald trump said at his press conference yesterday. and it's something that she has to address how much he has to go into details, a different story. look, she owns that harris, the biden-harris record good and bad right now it's good. the market's up inflation's down. unemployment were basically full employment. i mean, all indicators are great for her and so that's that's her record. i mean, that's something that she can run on easily and something that she can defend easily. something trump is going to attack. obviously but at the end of the day, it's something that belongs to her. i don't think she needs to go into too much detail because the privilege i don't because she's she's living it. right. the last four years are what her record is. if you want more of the same that's what you're going to get with her hopefully, and that's what she basically has to say. look, so much of this, everybody wants to talk about policy, but so much of these elections are about personality. >> that's very true. >> and so does she need to go into detail about cpi and all these other new details? i don't think so. i think she

needs to state a broad set of principles. and then talk about how she's going to address those issues in a very concise way and not really go into too much detail. she doesn't need to. >> i find it interesting. i mean, jason, what do you what do you think of that? not going into detail might be a good thing and saying more of the same might be a good thing. for kamala harris on the campaign trail i'm a little bit shocked, quite frankly. >> i mean, i think if they want to run on the last four years and the economy been great as, as something that's going to convince voters to support them all for it. because the reality is, is that costs, while have been coming down while they haven't coming down the last few months, they're still way higher than they were four years ago. i mean, we're still having this housing crisis where people are paying thousands of dollars more per month in rent because they can't afford a house because that the mortgage rates are too high and groceries, i mean, i

know that the common law is going to be talking about price gouging, et cetera. but they're not looking at the bigger picture in terms of, you know the supply chain and how everything that the government does influences the prices of each step of the way in the process. and so yeah, you can go after corporations for price gouging. but how are you going to stop the increasing costs or the elevated costs for actually delivering the food to the shelves in the grocery stores. i mean, that's a big chunk of price there as well. and so i think what they have to do, what common-law has to do is she does have to go into detail and for once, we'd like to see some more recognition that, hey you are feeling the crunch at the, at the grocery store, at the gas pump in your homes and everyday life? not sitting there telling us how the economy is great because we all, we all live in, we all know that the economy is not great right now one thing, let me enjoy. >> he was getting this and jason, i want to play for both

of you, but it has, been clear in polling and just logic dictates that the economy is everything that affects everyone's lives. it's one of infects everything, every aspect of your life, and that is why any economy remains the number one issue for voters and then you have what donald trump said yesterday on the campaign, on the campaign trail about the economy. let me play this would talk about a thing called the academy. >> they wanted to do a speech on the economy. a lot of people are very devastated by what's happened with inflation and all of the other things. so we're doing this as a intellectual, spiritual intellectuals today they say it's the most important subject i'm not sure it is just casting doubt that the economy is the most important subject, jason, i mean, do you share the concern of people like nikki haley that if donald trump doesn't reset, you have a problem oh, absolutely. >> i mean, i think look, the

reality is the last three weeks for trump have not been good. i mean, there's you can't sugarcoat any of it. right. and i think what is encouraging is actually that now this week, even on this show, we're actually talking about policies, not actually some something that trump has said about somebody and it's a little bit refreshing in a way i don't want to sit here and guess what he was trying to mean. i mean, i know that in his mind the economy is important, but immigration is also important. crimes, important and so i think moving forward with more policy statements coming out from camilla's campaign, then we're going to see hopefully more issues specific discussions on the trump side and for him to talk about what exactly he's going to do moving forward beyond some of the little nuggets that he keeps sharing here and there yeah, we could get a few a fewer a lot of the more of those little nuggets when he holds his press

conference later, which we know have examples of what happened last time, which there were a lot of false claims being made that we know is donald trump staying true to donald trump? >> does that mean reset or does that mean this is what you get? we'll find out together. it's good to see you guys. thank you so much. sara. >> all right. thank you, kate. new retail sales report just in this morning, up 1%. you can see it there in july, better better-than-expected, cnn business anchor julia chatterley is here what else are receiving from his numbers? this is good and this issue that, hey, big spender music, if i get this is more than double what we were expecting for the month of july even with a bit of slippage in the jew months, we gave a bit back there and a huge chunk of this was about auto buying. >> remember yesterday when we were talking about inflation? yes. i mean, seeing prices coming down for trucks and cars. so i think that stimulated the buying. i think this is an important point, but wow, despite but the concerns about rising prices, this is a strong number and i can't take away from that. it also fits with what we heard from the biggest retailer in the united

states today as well. they saw a 22% rise in u.s digital sales. their store sales were up 4.2%. they raised their profit forecast as well. it shows you for value goods for all all consumers, for essentials. they're still buying. >> if i look at that retail sales number again though, and it fits to this story as well. >> amazon prime day hit in the midst of this adobe estimates american spent around 14 billion online in two days alone, guilty. >> your honor, i may have added to that, so we could see a little bit of a slip back, but it is building at least a positive story as far as spending is concerned. >> and yet, we're buying less starbucks, we're cutting back on our coffees, are cutting back on our big max. we are being more cautious about how we spend. so we've still got to keep an eye on the jobs market. that's the next data point. remember that's all about this last week. >> there's weekly jobless, right? >> exactly. the number of people claiming first-time benefits. >> it's still a lot of people remember asking for help. >> it's better than expected. again, and for the people that continue to claim unemployment

benefits, that number was slightly better again, to two positive data points than economy that's slowing. these numbers are nowhere near recession with not even mentioned the word for a week, but i will bring it back and despite this, i did it. i'm sorry. i do think it's still consistent with the fed beginning to cut rates in september you could affect the rape her to told me that they obviously not that good. it's good, but better than it would still consistent with a car. >> alright. julia chatterley, thank you so much. appreciate it. kate a woman died after eating at disneyworld hold restaurant. >> the company's says her husband signed away his rights to with regard to a wrongful death lawsuit because of a disney plus subscription, more on that ahead. >> and taylor swift returns to the stage tonight for the first time since her era's concerts were canceled due to a potential terror attack. >> the additional security measures now in place to make

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jabaliya wednesday night dynamite tbs? the democratic national convention, monday at seven on cnn, and streaming on max this morning, disney is at the center of a legal fight that is raising eyebrows. the company is being hit with a wrongful death lawsuit involving a woman who aided a restaurant in a disney resort. her husband is suing because he says his wife died after suffering a severe allergic reaction to the food she ate at the restaurant and the disney should be held responsible. the story is getting a lot of attention because of what disney is claiming they must do. disney says that since her husband signed up for a one-month trial subscription to disney plus in 2019. the case must be thrown out of court and sent to arbitration instead. let's discuss this with misty marris. she is a defense and trial attorney and a friend of the show. thank you so much for being on all right. >> what so according to the

lawsuit, disney is saying, if you sign on to get disney plus that keeps you from being able to sue them and asked for a jury trial. >> is this viable sara? i mean, when the last time anybody read those terms and conditions, i know that i have not. >> so who would think that the argument would be you're basically signing your whites way for a jury trial. so look, this it's a long shot for the defensive. here's why. >> there's an arbitration agreement. >> arbitration is a different forum than a jury trial in arbitration goes before a neutral, usually a former judge. it's what's known as a better defense venue because a jury in a horrific case like this, where there has been this tragic death. the heart thanks, might be tbd. they're going to be sympathetic, whereas the idea from a defense perspective the arbitrator is going to be dispassionate and really look at these technical legal arguments. but the way that this arbitration agreement as structured, the defense argues that it applies to everything,

not just the types of services that would be associated with the app. >> it also applies when you step foot in the car. but that's a very overly broad reading and get a look at the full terms and conditions which by the way, now i did read because it they relate to things like subscriptions, users, copyright exactly what you would think. it doesn't talk about brick-and-mortar stepping into the park and a personal injury case. so in that sense actuation, it's unlikely the court is going to extend that arbitration agreement into those types of scenarios. >> do you see this being a thing that we all need to be really paying attention to because i don't know anyone that reads any of that when they sign up for you know, disney, netflix, and max, no one reads those, right know, and think about it though, when you buy a ticket to a venue, you go to a concert every single time your taking anything by you, something purchasing. >> and there's terms and conditions associated with it. >> you are agreeing them in the

general principle is these are contract, the contractual agreements between the companies and the consumer. that being said, there is a degree of juried the contract and whether or not it's reasonable that it's going to extend to other rights outside of those user agreements. or what would be what's called conscience able, meaning it's not even necessarily sign your life away because you want to watch television through an app. there's going to be limits to how far these companies can extend those obligations. but to your point, sara buyer beware when you are signing up for terms and conditions those are contractual agreements, regardless of what it is. so maybe a better idea for us all myself included to read them, to read them arbitration is obvious often the name of the game i do want to ask you about another defense from disney. they're saying that the restaurant is not theirs. but it is in the disney resort where they do own the property

how strong of the cases that now, here's how this plays out. the first threshold question. who hears the case, right? judge and jury or arbitrator regardless of who hears it, this isn't defense disney intends to raise and they're saying do not the owner of the restaurant. >> that's not necessarily what we call dispositive. >> it means it doesn't necessarily win the day other facts are going to matter. for instance, who the restaurant or disney because they are operating on disney property who's responsible for training hiring, who's responsible for establishing safety protocols, were those safety protocols sufficient? so it's going to be a factual inquiry into the responsibilities of each party. it's a defense that will play out throughout the for of either with the judge and jury, which will be a public trial or before an arbitrator which is behind closed doors. either way, it's a defense to raise, but there's backs that are going to matter as to whether or not it will be successful it's quite a case. i think a

lot of folks are going to be surprised at the initial defense that disney has put out there, misty marris. thank you so much. i appreciate your time this morning. john. thank you this morning, a manhunt is underway in north carolina for a convicted murderer of a one-year old girl, a convict escaped from a police van when he was being taken to a medical appointment on tuesday, there was a $25,000 reward for information leading to his capture. >> people in the area are being told to keep their doors, windows, and cars locked do jersey governor phil murphy plans to appoint his former chief of staff, george helmy to replace democratic senator bob menendez, who who is stepping down next week last month. a jury, found menendez guilty of federal corruption charges, including bribery, extortion, and destruction of justice. he is set to be sentenced in sec october just yesterday, kate bolduan pressed governor murphy on when he would make a decision apparently forcing his hand no doubt the cause of this

announcement or this information coming out today. a russian court just sentenced a russian american ballerina to 12 years in prison, all because of the $51 nation she made to a ukrainian charity cosine a car lane up, pleaded guilty to trees and after she was arrested in february, her boyfriend tells cnn, he bought her it ticket to visit russia as a birthday gift for lawyer says, he will appeal. want to show you mount etna in italy europe's largest and most active volcano. no no, we're not showing you mount etna we are. >> and there's mount etna. >> i knew it was they're what a relief. what a relief that mount etna is still in italy and is still a report saying it has forced the partial closure of the airport in sicily. flights are grounded for now. passenger being told to check their flight status before they go to the airport. everyone careful there a new hour of cnn

news central with mount etna starts right now kamala harris reigniting the fight for north carolina, a state a democrat hasn't won i'm in for president since 2008, new detail on what she's planning to roll out there as she lays out her economic pitch and a major security operation london pairing for hundreds of thousands of taylor swift fans as she is getting ready to take the stage for the first time since that terror plot was thwarted, targeting her concerts and an incredible scene, a woman suffering a medical emergency while driving. >> you'll see on video how her quick thinking son and an officer nearby hi saved the day i'm kate bolduan with john berman and sara sidner. this is cnn news central