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cnn.com and max it's tuesday, august 20, right now on cnn this morning a warm welcome for joe biden on the first night of the dnc as he passes the torch to kamala harris and warns of the danger of donald trump. plus this i wasn't all cheers and phrase outside the dnc pro-palestinian protesters breaching the perimeter, leading to a number of arrests. and later i'm not a show that i don't believe i am a showman not a showman. >> why donald trump, the former reality tv star, trying to rebuff a claim that he is a provocateur and a showman 4:00

a.m. here inside the united center in chicago. it is 5:00 a.m. on the east coast. this is a live look at the convention hall where i don't even know it was that many hours ago that there were people on that stage. they cleanup is underway as we prepare for day two. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us night one of the democratic national convention was a night for president joe biden, but he did get some help from the new top of the ticket his. vice president and the now democratic nominee, kamala harris, setting the tone with that surprise onstage appearance, cheering on in thanking the man who elevated her as his running mate four

years ago i want to kick us off by celebrating our incredible president joe biden we'll be speaking later tonight joe, thank you for your historic leadership for your lifetime of service to our nation and for all you will continue to do, we are forever grateful to you that surprise appearance. let off a parade of speakers who praised president biden for his leadership and time. as president i want to say, thank you to joe biden for making history. >> by walking the picket line with the uaw thank you. joe biden for your leadership president biden, america is so much better because of you are true patriot who has always put the people first thank you, joe

and god bless you. we love you we love joe president biden's family. >> of course, playing a critical role. his daughter introduced him for an emotional ending to the night you're 46th president of the united states joe biden it would be another four minutes from his introduction before president biden was it will to start speaking the crowd, cheering, and chanting for the man who stepped aside just four weeks ago during his 48 minutes speech, he highlighted his time in office, went after donald trump and ended by quoting the song, american answer let me know in my heart what my days or through america. >> america. i gave my best to you all right, joining us now

to talk about all of this. >> jackie kucinich, washington bureau chief for the boston globe. leah wright rigueur, cnn, political historian shermichael singleton, republican strategist, and meghan hays, former director of messaging at the biden white house, who has worked also working on this week's democratic national convention. welcome to all of you. i don't know how many well, you are just off the party certain arriving here. i certainly i can see swap when we were on our way in here. but meghan hays, let me start with you. this was a very emotional night. you could see president biden wiping away tears after his daughter, ashley introduced him there and clearly this message of thanks was so important for so many democrats to send to him. they were also thanking him for this decision that he made to step aside yeah. >> i don't think it's by accident that the people who spoke yesterday beforehand or people who've been loyal to him, who have been having his back through this entire process when in 2020 and now no it wasn't emotional night for

everyone who is extremely moving, also watching ashley who's mostly stayed out of the spotlight for the most part, that was incredibly moving and incredibly special, but also at the very end when the vice president and her and the second gentleman came up, that was also an incredibly emotional moment. i think she said, i love you and i mean it to him when they before they embrace the night was special. i thought it was a really incredible night. he laid out what they did, and what he hopes for the vice president. so, you know, i think there's a great night for the president shermichael there was some talk of donald trump throughout the evening. >> obviously, president biden focused on it as well. although i think in the end, by the time that there was a cap on it did seem mostly to be framed in the positive. but what did you make of the balance that democrats struck between attacking their republican opponent and celebrating joe biden really i think president biden spoke with many of his points when he was an actual candidate, the head of the ticket i want to say this though. i thought it was really insulting that the

president spoke at the very last minute when people on the east coast were mostly asleep, i was texting with four individuals from a previous focus group. i did several months ago. >> all democrats, but went on to pennsylvania and she said something interesting. >> she said, what if we lose this election? and another lady reply to the group texts and she said, well, two of my neighbors who are moderate republicans, who were voting, who voted for biden before were preparing to vote for him again, are now on the fence that they may actually vote for trump and so i think there's an interesting dilemma here for democrats. i thought the president's speech was, was great politics aside, i kinda felt bad because i thought to myself as a younger person at some point, i'm going to get older and i can't imagine spending half of my life working for something and then people sent up shermichael, you're too old buddy, you gotta go and that's sort of what i saw and felt for the president just as a person taken off the partisan hat. and so i think him for his multiple decades of service. and i do

hope that people look at the moment and say, you know what? yeah, we have differences. but this man literally gave everything to this country despite where we may differ i do appreciate some good anecdata. it's always great to the text messages from people on the ground. i will say though that the trump campaign i think is grateful to be upset to be running against kamala harris as a poet mixer you difficult joe biden, i don't disagree. it makes it difficult, but i think kasie, if the president can somehow and this is difficult, but if he can somehow moderate himself and become a more disciplined person that's evergreen clip. i know we've been saying this for years and years, but i do think that there is still potential, at least on two fronts, the economy and immigration that could change this dynamic in a couple of weeks. sure. >> jackie i chuck schumer i know who i know you've covered for many years in washington was asked by a reporter on the floor what his message was to

president trump's. so in this vein i don't really want to characterize it. the judge just watch it what's, your message, to former president trump tonight? you can always get what you want classic but if you tried some time, yeah i mean, i think back to the republican convention and just how how much there was, a lot of spiking the football. >> there was just absolute certitude of their position in the race and where it was going, which was the white house again and having harris at the top of the ticket has shaken that up. we've seen it in polls. you've seen it in state polls. we've heard it from voters on the ground. and gumming in before for this shift happened, there was a lot of trepidation among democrats. i spoke to you about about if that speech was given on the last night of the convention. that's not what happened. and i think what you saw from chuck schumer is that elation that

the dynamics have changed at this minute, shermichael is right, there's a lot of time left to go. >> there is can you just big picture here? i mean, as you look at what unfolded last night, i mean, the reality is we haven't seen anything like this since lbj stepped aside. he didn't even go to the convention that year. he did very little to try to help his number two campaigns in the subsequent election. this is obviously a very different moment, but it's something that we have not seen in decades what's your perspective on what we saw play out last night? >> what we saw play out last night was history. and i actually think it was really important in part of the centerpiece of joe biden at the end of the night, despite it, all of our east coast friends, it was great for our west coast friends. but despite all very, it's because it's the idea that this was a leadup to passing the baton. this was a leadup to passing the torch that surprise appearance by

kamala coming up, kamala harris coming out later, coming out at the end of biden speech, this idea that they are working together, that they are a team team, but that this is also highlighting everything that joe biden has done and given to this party. there is a reason that it wasn't just joe biden who got emotional. i'm pretty sure that we saw tim walz crying in the audience as he was watching as he was watching this play out, we saw people kind of wistfulness from the audience that was trying to the original delegates who had cast all of these votes for joe biden, who almost immediately turn their attention to harris. but did so with the knowledge that they had put biden there and that they had been ready to support him despite the debacle of the age thing. the other thing that i think is important here too, is that where somebody like hubert humphrey, who becomes the nominee in 1968, has the baggage of the lbj's administration in vietnam and is really under the weight of that. there are people fighting on the convention floor and fighting outside of the convention when

this happens. that's not happening here what we're seeing instead is the transition from joe biden from president to joe biden, the historical figure who gave everything for his party, who did the thing that was necessary to do when the country asked him to do it. and that is his legacy. and we could see it on his face to i think at the end of the night, there's still a degree of anger over what happened, but he went out on his terms and now he has cemented his place in history i don't know if i agree with you that he went out on his terms, but with framework pushed out alright. panelists go stick with us up next here on cnn this morning. republicans have a stark warning for there how nominee donald trump the showman, may not win this election. galatians big factor, trump's response to lindsey graham coming up and why he says he's not a showman. plus, how long disgraced congressman george santos will serve in prison after pleading guilty to fraud

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a future where there are no ceilings on our dreams millions marched, many ran for office. >> we kept our eyes on the future well, my friends got future is here hillary clinton, the first woman to win a major party nomination, highlighting the potentially historic nature of a kamala harris presidency. >> clinton drew comparisons between her own story and harris's having lost to donald trump just eight years ago, clinton also seemed to relish discussing trump's recent legal trouble donald trump fell asleep at his own trial. >> and when he woke up he made his own kind of history. the first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions those lock him up,

chants a shift since clinton ran against trump during the 2016 election. >> of course, trump rallies would often break out into lock her up chants aimed at clinton, meghan hays, the look on. let's put that back up. if we can for a second, yeah. >> i think it's incredible. i mean, she gets that. she didn't deserve that in 2016 to have those chance to at her and she was running. and i think that it's incredible that be able to have this moment and she gets to stand up there and talk about, you know, i worked for her in 2008, 18 million cracks then and then again in 2016, just an incredible moment for her. she had an amazing speech to the crowd, was really into it lots of chants and i think that, you know, it's really incredible that she gets to do this and for kamala harris, i will say though, see look, that's that's the thing, right? she's listening to them. chant, lock him up jackie this is kamala harris and tim walz have made a point to push back against these chests when they have broken out at harris-walz events saying saying like this is about the future it's almost how uncomfortable is it to

wash? >> do you think they've been they have been trying to strike a different tone with their campaign. but the hillary clinton, we watched last night and that speech was very uninhibited was i mean, i think it was really interesting speech because it had that, but it also had the historic arc at the end where she talked about she was going to be she couldn't wait to tell her grandchildren that she was here that day, really casting into the future. but certainly, i think the democrats that don't want the focus on the former president may have been shifting in their seats a little bit last night i mean, look, there is a reality here that kamala harris would make history. it said against hillary clinton trying to do what she thought she was going to do it she was very disappointed on election night. me, frankly, everybody that night on the trump team. and then clinton team had expected her to win going into it. that's obviously not what happened. one of the moments so stood out to me is when hillary clinton talked about how her mother was born before women had the right to vote. her

daughter was able to vote for her mother for president there is a historic nature to this that frankly come on. harris isn't leaning in to the way hillary clinton leaned into it in 2016, right? and in fact, i don't think kamala harris is going to lean into it. >> she doesn't have to lean into it. there's an entire ecosystem that has already been built around the idea of the first woman president. the same way that there's an entire ecosystem around the idea of the first black president. and we've seen kamala harris actually sidestepping the idea of being the first black woman or black indian woman president xi doesn't have to do it. and i think part of so what we actually saw two and hillary clinton speech last night is a kind of savoring of the moment savoring of something that wasn't able to happen for her, but also a moment where she said, you know what, i was right in 2016, all of the things that i said would happen happened. donald trump was this kind and if president, and so i am telling you right now that you have the opportunity. we have the opportunity to lean in all of these things to shatter

the glass ceiling into 1 million pieces but i'm telling you that it has to be through the vehicle of kamala harris and that's the narrative that she wants to tell. that's the history that she wants to build on. kamala harris just has to step into it all right. >> coming up next after this break a wrongful death lawsuit against disney is back in motion. the case now headed to court. we're going to have that in your morning roundup plus protests outside the dnc forcing chicago police to reevaluate security for the rest of the week. we'll dig into that the moments that shaped our culture coming this fall on cnn power e-trade, award-winning trading app makes

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trying to counter program in that battleground state. he is also pushing back against republican criticism that he is not sharply focused enough on the policy contrast fast, he has with harris in this campaign i'm not a showman. >> i don't believe i am a showman. i think i'm somebody that has a lot of common sense it didn't really well in business, made a lot of money, everything i touched, whether i went into entertainment with the apprentice, so wrote books i was successful now, i run for president. >> i win and i did a real job trump's specifically dismissing claims from one of his longtime allies, the republican senator lindsey graham, who told nbc's meet the press this on sunday president trump can win this election. >> his policies are good for america. and if you have a policy debate for president, he wins. donald trump, the provocateur of the provocateur

tour, the showman may not win this election okay. >> shermichael singleton trump clearly not pleased with lindsey graham. there was also another instance where he said that lindsey graham would not have would not have won his election without trump's endorsement. clearly a little bit you know, it got under skin a little bit. >> know what isn't i just lindsey graham is kevin mccarthy there's a reason they're bringing back core lewandowsky, a kellyanne conway, because many externally and internally believed that the campaign isn't moving in the right direction. and part because the former president doesn't appear to be as focused as he once was in 2016, or maybe even in 2020. i mean he clearly has some advantage niger's on some issues, and i think republicans would just want him to focus on those issues, not only because they would like to win back the white house, but they're also concerned about the impact it could have on regaining control of the senate and trying to regain, are trying to maintain rather control of the house

yeah. >> fair enough. jackie kucinich, i mean, i when when this was all playing out as joe biden was stepping down i was corresponding with someone who worked for donald trump for a long time, doesn't any more but one of the one, what this person was saying to me was running against at kamala harris is going to bring out the worst instincts in donald trump and we you've seen that start to play out in a lot of different ways he of course, has offered this variety of personal insults. they posted a video online yesterday that i don't even want to show because it contains very graphic insinuations about kamala harris is sex life just gives you a preview. where this may be going from donald trump is your sense of this that it's going to get worse, or that donald trump could actually listen to any of these people who are telling him, hey, like, let's do this

differently. i think i think a, i think it does get worse because does he doesn't well, there is incentive to not behave like this. i mean, shermichael's right, every republican, you talked to really wants him to talk about the economy to focus on that he just hasn't shown the ability or the will to do that. how detrimental that will be or if it will be detrimental to his base. they don't care. but to independents who are watching this, who are exhausted by it. this could, this could be problematic, but i would push back on one thing, bringing back korea lewandowsky to the trump campaign. that's mr. let trump be trump. i don't know that that is going to end up how they think it's going to end up. we'll have to see, but he was something that someone that really encouraged the former president to hone some of his instincts that perhaps might turn off voters i mean, that reads to me, as donald trump declaring he is unhappy with the very professionalized campaign that has been trying

to push him in this direction. >> meghan hays how if you're commonly harris, do you prepare for these kinds of criticisms? i mean, the stuff that we saw in this truth, social reposts for very, very personal, very, very graphic she's going to have to stand on stage with him in a debate where it's entirely possible that she could face some version of this set, set of criticism to her face. >> i think she continues to do what she's doing. she's out there talking to the american people. they're out there doing their thing, they're talking about policy now. they are here this week. they're re-introducing themselves that we have governor walz now on the ticket. i didn't democratic party continues to move with what they wanna do in a positive forward-looking way. and that's what's going to be appealing to these independent voters in these seven swing states that are going to decide the election this is of course part of running as a woman candidate. >> what do you see as different for harris in this moment because the fact that she is a

woman does seem much less remarkable holden, it has in the past, but at the same time, you do still have to deal with things that male candidates typically don't have to deal with? >> absolutely. and i think actually the harris campaign has factor that into how they are campaigning and how they are approaching this in the long run, one of the things that's really remarkable about how harris has approached this is that it's as if donald trump doesn't exist which actually adds to the problem of donald trump part of what he is upset about is the fact that she does not respond to these kind of wildly inappropriate sexism isogenous stick points. she knows that they're going to come. she knows that he is going to be distracted. and in fact, it's part of the argument here is just let him talk, let him talk. he put his foot in his mouth it off other republicans, it off independence. and the way that we do this, the way that we handle this is that we see what happened last time. we see what happened with hillary clinton and how she approached it and in fact, we're going to take a slightly different approach. we're going to take an approach that says we don't actually have to address this

even as we acknowledge that being a woman, being a black woman, being an indian woman is highly different and also is going to come with these kinds of attacks. and i think actually what we're seeing now, particularly in the bounds that came in the immediate aftermath of the announcement that she would be running for the democratic nomination, that she had essentially received it. and after what's going to come after this convention is that voters, including swing voters and independent voters, really do like this approach that she is taking, this one that is not about engaging donald trump on every single little offensive thing that he says. but instead allowing him to lay it out. and she just keeps moving forward. >> interesting. all right. >> let's let's go down to this chicago police or re-evaluating dnc security this morning after four people were arrested for breaching a containment fence outside the united center, that breach was caught on camera following those arrests, law

enforcement working to determine whether the fencing would be sufficient for the next three days of the democratic convention. the answers seemed a little straightforward, but let's watch what they said our job here is to make sure that we keep the dnc safe, keep our city safe, and keep our people safe. >> we have no idea what they would have done it they gotten onto the other side. >> but as i said before, for we're not going to tolerate anyone who is going to vandalize things in our city we're not going to tolerate anyone who are going to commit acts of violence authorities say the pro-palestinian protesters who knocked down the fence never reached the inner security perimeter meghan hays, i know is part of your role organizing the convention is something you've thought a lot about. >> it does seem like the protests are not of the size that was potentially expected. if joe biden were still at the top of the ticket quick, candidly but the but the protesters that are left are doing things like what we saw. >> yeah. i think the chicago police and secret service and all of the law enforcement partners, i think have worked for the last year-and-a-half on this, but also as democrats, we

are the big tent party we expect people to come protest and again, unlike our opponent who would like to deep worry protesters, we understand what they need to do it peacefully and they need to do it respectfully going through a perimeter is obviously they're going to end up in jail that chicago police are going to take action reaching the fences of very, very straightforward know leah wright rigueur, i'm so grateful to have you i think you're coming back later on this week. thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> all right. still ahead here on cnn this morning, kamala harris working to rebuild the coalition that propelled the biden-harris ticket to victory? great four years ago our those efforts paying off so far we'll talk to an expert on all of that. ron brownstein plus moments ago, president biden arriving in canada well for now, for his vacation after his farewell, swan song last night to his party, michigan congresswoman debbie dingell joins us live to help us look back at his legacy. >> democrats paid tribute to biden, who delivered the convention's opening speech. when biden took the stage at cheers was so loud that even

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builds on a slim three-point lead that president biden held over trump in july. female voters have been a strength for biden and democrats and harris and her supporters are trying to build on it. and ron brownstein joins our panel now, good morning. good morning. good evening, depending on where exactly. this is later later that i'm usually on this is actually sleeping in that enough relative this clearly, what you, what you write about here is that she needs to really add to especially some of these demographics, latinos and black america. that's where biden was slipping but do you see her performing? >> right. so you kind of look where biden was in 24 he had this strange kind of inverted pattern where he was slipping among many core democratic groups, including black voters, latino voters, young voters, single women. but holding his 2020 support relatively better among blue collar whites. all the whites and college-educated

whites, so her job was to maintain where he was doing relatively better and shore up where he was eroding. and you can look on each front by enlarge. she is holding his support in polling among white voters, including those blue-collar white voters who, you know, many expect to be he, most receptive audience for republican arguments that she's weak on crime and immigration and an extreme cultural liberal. she has regained ground among all of the groups that he had been eroding with. but she hasn't yet gotten all the way back to where he was in 2020. there's an incomplete on that side of the test and these two tasks have clear geographic implications. i mean, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, states have fell out of the blue wall in 2016, they're all at least 80% white that the job there is mostly to maintain what biden has been doing among white among white voters, sunbelt, the opposite story southeast and the black voters in north

carolina and georgia southwest latino voters in arizona in nevada. that's where she has to rebuild the losses that he'd been suffering. >> yeah. >> ron, how real do you think sunbelt conversations are? arizona, georgia. i mean, is that is it realistic for us to put those on the potential map for harris or not? >> i think arizona and nevada definitely. and georgia and north carolina tbd. i mean, there is positive polling and north carolina and georgia. but the erosion among, you those non-college white voters in those states are heavily evangelical and the democratic number there's among them go to catastrophic lows. i mean, they just you know, sometimes below 20%. and she is doing better with black voters, but not quite all the way back to where biden noise and there's a question of whether she can ever really get there, given that the concerns that were driving away some of these black voters were not only about biden sage, they're about inflation and what, what economic opportunity is looked like the last few years. so 20, her gender gap so far is not

unusual. i mean, she's not running particularly better with women and biden did in 2020, but it would not be surprising if by the end there was a wider because she in this polling, that group so dunn, she is regaining ground with latinas, with black women, with single white women, less movement among then, what are your thoughts, meghan, on how she's doing here? >> i think she is shoring up the base. i think she's moving along, but i do think she needs to continue to talk about the issue she needs to lay out some more policies to shore up some of these things talking about inflation and how she's going to to tackle that. but i think she is going to hold onto the coalition, the biden coalition, and then she's going to show up the base. so i think she's doing the things that she needs to do, but she needs to now talk about the issues i think the gender gap is very real issue for the vice president. >> we saw this in 2016 with hillary clinton, joe biden was able to increase those margins was only behind by a one-point. i also think that to ron's point about younger men of color, there a lot of work there and despite the fact that

the vice president has improved her margins, she has certainly not worse, needs to be as a democrat. and when you look at some of those battleground states, democrats need to overperform by what 2 million volts give or take on i'm not certain if the vice president is there yet, so there's a lot of work she still has to, you know what, we forget is that the decision overturning roe happened after 2020. i like it. and therefore, she has the potential to do better among college educated white women who are a big share of the elector and a growing share of the electorate. and if she does, that will give her some buffer in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin to lose some ground among the blue collar whites you know, the proportions could change here, but in those states 80% white electorate in michigan and pennsylvania, 90% white electorate in wisconsin. that is where republicans i think are going to focus their firepower overwhelmingly on making the case that she cannot keep you safe and either that'll work and trump can

squeeze out something that looks like 2016 in those states, more it won't and places like oakland county, the suburbs of philadelphia, the wow counties outside of milwaukee, dane county wisconsin we'll all improve for her and push it or potentially even a bigger victory than biden hadn't. some of them. >> well, regardless of who wins run, we have to get you a i named the names you're talking about that in the break. >> i don't for those of you, i did not realize that the reason we all say blue wall on tv over and over again is because of this man has sentence alleged sense was call it a blue wall well the atlantic. yeah, it's the national journal story. jackie, ron, megan. thank you guys so much for being up early with us this morning. shermichael is going to stick around for the top of the hour and coming up in our next hour here on cnn this morning, powerful testimony is putting reproductive rights at the forefront are the first day the dnc's speaker shared deeply personal stories about how the overturning of roe versus wade hit them. plus president biden's swan song as he gives an emotional farewell well two,

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