this morning the sprint to november donald trump's campaign and taking an aggressive new approach in the race against kamala harris and i don't want to border czar who make sit more efficient for illegal immigrants to come into this country? >> and one of trump's main lines of attack against harris continues to be the border. what democrats now say she needs to do to try to go on offense and later american women are not stupid elizabeth warren not buying jd vance's claim that the trump wouldn't sign a national abortion ban, plus a leading election forecaster. >> now, clarify classifying north carolina as a toss up is the south back in play for democrats all right. >> 6:00 a.m. here in washington. a live look at the washington monument on this

monday morning day. that is just over two months between now and november 5 the election entering a critical phase because the first ballots can be cast in just 11 days. that's the start of mail-in voting. in north carolina and less than a week after that, kamala harris and donald trump are scheduled to face off at what is currently the one and only debate between them on the calendar the week after that, trump could face sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in his new york hush money trial. he has requested that that'd be postponed just a few days later. the first polling sites will open as early voting gets underway in virginia. and as these days tick by, both campaigns, trying to build momentum let's get let's

harris campaign announcing on sunday, they've raised a staggering 540 million since biden dropped out of the race. >> this week, harris and her running mate tim walz, will campaign together in the key state of georgia the former president, meanwhile, still adjusting to this changed election, cnn has learned trump can, trump's campaign is trying to aggressively expand his schedule. a source says that he's likely to hold several events every week, including regularly visiting two states in a day. one adviser telling cnn quote, i think trump on steroids, think trump on steroids, it'll be all hands on deck for weeks. republicans have pressured trump to focus on policy on the campaign trail. here's how that landed in arizona on friday they lied so much. >> they lie about everything. they were really weird, nasty, and then they say to be sure please stick to policy. don't stick to personality you should be nice to people, sir. you have to be nice by have to get personal, don't i i have they

get personal but i'm going to do my best. >> so they're allowed to get personal with me, but i'm not allowed to get personal okay. >> the panel's here. alex thompson, cnn political analyst and national politics reporter for axios. meghan hays, former director of message playing for the biden white house, and matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. alex, i should formally welcome you to the cnn team. thank you so much for being part of it. we're thrilled to have you on board. let let me start with you because again, i mean, we are entering this critical phase. it's the last week of august, you know, the labor day sprint starts a week from today, early voting, as we noted, really very close really very close here. and now you have trump raising questions about whether or not he's going to participate in the abc he news debate, right? he posted on truth, social criticizing jonathan karl, some one of the interviews he did on sunday said, why, why should i do a

debate against kamala harris on that network? do you think this debate is actually going to happen? and what are you looking for as the sprint starts? >> i mean, it'd be irresponsible for me to predict, but donald trump will do with regards to, this? debate, a lot of this is him working the rafts and that's typical of his just the way he goes about it. the part of the reason sort remember like this one great line from back in 2015, as he says, i wine, i wind, i want until i win and i feel like that's often like his modus operandi. he's trying if he's trying to be build, build, leverage but at the end the day, you never know he could just say no thanks. when will try to do it somewhere else, but i do think there's going to be at least one, if not two debates this fall. >> i'm troubled by the idea that he's actually going to drop out of this, but oh, he's not he's not he likes the will they or won't they write? he knows how to work. not only the rescue plus the media a little bit. he wants them kind of having a little bit of intrigue around it and look to your point go back to father's day,

june 16, the same time from father's day two. now is from now to the election day, 71 days on each side. >> do you think about the number of things that happen in that period of time? >> so i love you have to remember so i go back and look at your calendar, what you're doing on that day. so you're right. like he loves the intrigue around this and you're right, i've heard that exact same thing from the trump campaign. they're going to step up the events. there's going to be a lot more of them. you're going to see both jd and trump doing separate events on the road where i think you know, the at least right now, kamala and tim walz tend to do events together. so that also, as you know, it hampers their ability to go to multiple places in day. if you're a little separated, could be a little bit nimbler since you have all the folks coming in at once. so watch for that as well. >> meghan hays, i was reading maureen dowd's column over the weekend and as she concluded it, mean she i thought she did a nice job of capturing harris has had all the momentum at her back, right? she's coming out

of the convention. trump's still is kind of struggling to figure out how to criticize her. >> but this is how maureen input and she says, quote, camila came across as tough talk talking about the military and foreign policy in her speech. >> but there are many tests yet to come, including vicious trump attack lines. eventually a difficult interview, and next month's debate, she has to show she has what it takes once she steps away from the teleprompter, can she managed to get through a minimum of policy stuff with no viral blunders. kamala holds the hopes of a lot of people in the country who are praying that she doesn't fall on her face. in the next 72 days. she can take heart that she's driving trump crazy he's jealous of her looks, her crowd sizes, her star power and her vivacious, bodacious vibes. this morning, words for you. that's a good start. it seemed to me to capture. i mean, there are still potentially some major tests for harris ahead of us. >> she has to continue doing what she's been doing since you became the top of the ticket, she has to carry that for the next 71 day. the good thing is it's only 71 days and she had the momentum right now and she is under trump's skin.

the more he's out there, the more stuff he's going to say, which will just be more it's evidenced for people that contrast of the kind of person he is, the president that he was and will be again versus her if she can continue doing what she's doing for the next 71 days, we will be in good shape. >> one thing to just sad that some democrats were surprised that kamala harris did not do the traditional barnstorming right after the convention. you're usually you finished assess the convention you do a ton of rallies she took the weekend off and i think some democrats were a bit surprised that why not keep your, keep your foot on the gas yeah. >> alex, what is your latest reporting? >> digging into the harris and biden mean we've seen biden is taking another week of vacation the harris team is going to there's been these kind of rumors floating around that they're setting up to do a major interview. >> are they going to do that? like are we going to see her out there in that way? are they thinking they might be able to survive for weeks without it? >> i mean, they're definitely going to do an interview. now, the question is, who is it width? is it what a much more

friendly host? is at with more serious, like a serious in-depth interview, house long as it is it edited, isn't live like all of these questions are, or what, you know, part of harris is caution, extraordinary caution when it comes to interviews is why some democrats were nervous about making her the nominee. it's why people like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer were more in favor of like an open process because the fact is that every almost all of her first moments as vice president have come in live interviews. >> she needs to do an interview. i get it in a political operative in me. i understand why she's hesitant. however, the other side of this is that i've look i've seen this with candidates after candidate debate prep is also media prepping. media prep is debate prep you hear the lines you can refine your arguments, you get better every candidate i've ever ever worked with gets better the more they do interviews because they get sharper and they know what really outside of the bubble, what the people are going to attack them on or question them on a comfort level, you get more comfortably about policies, you get more comfortable speaking and having

those rapid-fire questions. so where i'm always don't think she needs to take do sit down for major interview she needs to start. and to your point doing those types of things for debates. >> you can replicate replicate that debate prep. you really cannot. there's always a unless you have somebody who's really going to drive you hard and that's key like fully brains was really good at this and hopefully, apparently playing trump exactly right? and there are people who are really good at this. and you need to be, but too often people hole punches back in debate prep, even unknowingly, just right, it's a, you're working for the candidate they signed your paycheck, you pull a few punches and you do a disservice to the candidate. >> meghan. i know you are you've advised candidates on how to handle all of this, how to deal with interviews, what when they, when you need to do them, when you don't and you have said you often argue that they don't need to do them. where do you come down on whether this is something harris needs to do and why? like what are the pressures on her? so i think it's a media story, right? and i think that if you don't take control of it, it will just continue to snowball in the media and then

it becomes more of a high-stakes thing than if you just did the interview and now she's passed the convention. she has the momentum they've raised a ton of money. i think she should probably sit down for an interview to your point, it depend too. they should be really strategic in that maybe they do go for a morning show, a softer interview at first, and then they built keep building, but two your point as well, it is good practice for debate prep, but i did not think she need to do on leading into the convention and why why even do anything that might blunt the momentum that you had going into that? >> yeah, it's interesting. i mean, alex, there's also this argument that if you do a lot of interviews than any one potential mistake becomes less of a big deal yeah. >> i mean, that's certainly j.d. vance the strategy you're seeing him really sit down for tons of interviews like the questions have been tough, right? and the thing is that as she has waited that's it's been july 21st was on joe biden came out. it's been well over a month back. does now we're now talking about every it is now a story that stakes of this first media interview are much bigger. anyone mistake. she's going to make is going to be

wet like immediately seized upon by trump and his campaign. >> yeah. well, in some of the j.d vance strategy also seems to be setting up a contrast so that he can actually say, oh hey, look, i did all these interviews, those also troubling. >> if you remember, 15, 16 trump was everywhere, everywhere. and so i remember telling kenny is to you don't like the headline, let's make a new one. let's go in the next show and now look, she's winning. i understand. you're not going to be doing calling a three morning shows a day that saying that but you're right, there is something to be said for that scrutiny. that first interview, as we saw, joe biden, just like a month-and-a-half ago, everyone picked the first one apart, so they did another one you have to be very careful that i would just say one. i don't think we're winning i think it's all very very up in the air and very died. and the other thing, just like we did in 20, we did a local media strategy and she should probably start doing local media interviews as well as date them. >> well, bomber would bring in the white house and intimidate that is true how does that mean the biden white house did this month ago right after the debate in the first two

interviews with black radio stations. >> and they basically bullied 33. >> it's going but i want to talk about that area affected because you sit down with the rina, what are you sit down with the three major stations and at the market that you go to and drive the story in, the markets that you're trying to. i know. i'm in a local interview is very different very, very passionate interview. hundred percent. alright. coming up next here on cnn this morning, the crisis at the southern border still very much a focus definitely for the trump campaign. some democrats worry kamala harris not doing enough. we'll dig into this plus donald trump is back on x, the platform formerly known as twitter, sending out a flurry of tweets reminiscent of the final days of his presidency and israel and hezbollah, trade fire as fears of a wider conflict continue to grow, there we have been concerned about the conflict escalating into an all-out regional war since october 7. >> and our hope is that the events of last night do not spill out into an escalation

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bipartisan border security alright, expect plenty more that between now and november 5, wall-to-wall political ads focused on immigration and the crisis on the southern border democrats are urging kamala harris to physically go to the border to try to grab the reins of this conversation. >> she hasn't been there since 2021. here was trump's running mate, j.d vance putting, in on that to try and criticize her watch it's millions upon millions of illegal immigrants that have come in just since kamala harris became the borders are a few years ago, she was put in charge of the root causes of migration. >> and the root causes of migration, i would say christina as the couple of harris refuse do your job as border czar alright. panel is back. there's that borders are title again, alex from republicans, but the reality is here that this issue has shifted aggressively in republicans favor the times has a long story on this they write ththat the overall message on immigration from the democratic

party in the past week, as it has been since harris announced her kennedy's candidacy last month has been decidedly more hard line, and it has been in decades and it reflects just how much of a political vulnerability the issue remains. for harris i think the question seems to be like can the trump team get on offense on this issue? >> i mean, if you look at all, their paid media and i unfortunately have watched every single tv ad airing on air right now. it is all immigration, all the time from the trump campaign is borders. our borders, our borders are it is using instances of crime committed by undocumented immigrants and they really believe that they can, that they can really paint her as responsible for this problem. and really the problem for democrats to is this is a late offensive push. the democratic party. yes, they introduced a border bill, the very first day of his administration basically spent no political capital during the first two years of doing it finally they embrace the border bill in january or

february of an election year how much credibility are voters going to give them for this sort of late embrace of border security? it's really unclear i mean, that is that has been my question about this. >> matt gorman the entire time that democrats are correct, that at trump killed a bill that would have made dramatic security or dramatic policy changes around the border. however, the reality is that when you have trump out there as the build the wall guy, how do you message on you watch their actions always right? >> if democrats truly thought that attacking that bill and the breakdown of the bill, was it political winner? they wouldn't have then had biden do the executive orders that tried to kind of short-circuit that they would have just used that as a cudgel and the same thing also with republicans, if we felt like it was a little bit of danger in immigration, we wouldn't be going headlong into this right now. now, look if if i work the harris team, i

wouldn't send it to the border because what they've they've had this revisionist history that's like, well, she really wasn't borders are, she was in charge of this, but not that going down there, you are owning it again and you are putting a visual there that i wouldn't want i think you she's walked a line. you're not going to win this issue get a little bit back. that's the goal. maybe meghan, you're doing the messaging. >> what do you think? >> i agree with you and i also think that they need to be people need to understand what the root migration those issues are, and they need to know that the obama administration put a ton of money into the northern triangle. trump got rid of that money and kamala harris had to get public private partnerships to rebuild that we have to get people a reason to want to stay. they have to security different issues with the northern triangle. so there's like it's more nuanced and i think people want to know and it's not as it's talking point e is we'd like i agree with you. she should not go to the border. i don't i think that's a terrible message, but i also think that there are 71 days and it has to be who is what issue number one? is this for people who look? >> the way i think this is all always is. there's an issue on

the right that we want to push a democrats really don't want to talk about writ large, right? that's immigration as an issue in the left. that they want to talk about democrats, abortion, that republicans want to shy away from each has your own activity base of singular voters. whoever wins that issue, if she wins out among that, isn't tell us a lot about i mean, it really is extraordinary how fast the politics of this, of this has shifted, honestly in trump's favor, the republicans favor in that kamala harris when she was running in 2019, raised your hand and said that we should make crossing the border a civil offense, not a criminal offense. >> now, she's on tv talking about how she's a border state prosecutor that she's gone after international gangs like the commentators team knows that this is a huge vulnerability that's why you're seeing them moved so fast yeah. >> yeah. all right. still ahead here on cnn this morning, donald trump and robert f. kennedy jr. with the latest twist this election season we just met a general commitment are going to work together now, rfk's endorsement of trump might change the rays plus

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right. >> welcome back. former president donald trump is facing criticism from some in his conservative base. over his position on abortion. he posted on truth social on friday. he declared this that is his administration would quote, protect reproductive rights and quote running mate j.d. vance also told nbc news that trump would veto a national abortion ban if such a piece of legislation landed on donald trump's desk, would he veto it or he be very clear he would not support it i mean yeah. i mean, if you're not supporting it as a present united states, you have the tell a federal abortion ban i think he worked. >> he said that explicitly anti abortion activists now calling out the campaign, the leader of students for life of america organization said in response to vance's interview, quote, it's like they're giving a class on how to lose a presidential election and quote another activist went even further on her podcast trump is

trying to, somehow, i guess ingratiate himself with those that are pro-abortion when you say you're support abortion all that j.d. vance and trump are doing when they say we support abortion pills, when they've said this they are just alienating their base why are you doing this trump campaign if you're listening, were saying loud and clear. if you want to have a shot at winning you've got to fix this panel's back alex, clearly, trump has said very explicitly the opposite in terms of winning elections, then what while arose, who's followed abortion anti-abortion activists said there, but clearly they're not pleased about this what are the hi nanny makes it play in some ways, it's the similar to immigration with the democrats. >> we were talking about. is that trump is right in between the base and the center of america where she's trying to go to. but by every single time he goes to the center, he's going to get more and more fire from his base and it's similar

to the immigration issue. you don't trump can say he's going to protect reproductive rights, but will voters really believed that the guy that appointed the justices responsible for the repeal roe v. wade, is really going to defend abortion rights in a serious way donald trump also still hasn't even answered the question about how he's going to vote in the florida referendum. that is on abortion rights this november. donald trump basically has no good political answer here. and if this race is much more about abortion rights than immigration or other issues, he's probably going to lose yeah. >> matt, did you think i mean jd vance's have gotten out ahead of the president a little bit, a little bit. >> i mean, i think what will weigh we always answer that in the primaries that you just, you kind of dismissed the hypothetical, but i don't know that being said. i think it's bad thing that he said that i think i wouldn't i would expect if trump gets that question at the next press conference, he probably follow right along i look, i was interested in some of the bigger organizations on the pro-life side, whether it's susan b. anthony list, marjorie dannenfelser is who is the head

of that organization is really influential voice, especially in the primary, with a lot of these folks she was notably silent. i be interested to see what she thinks about that but yeah. i mean, look, this was always at play in the primary. this was one of the few issues my old boss, tim scott criticize trump on. this was one of the ways you could find white-space with the president arctic the foreign president because he was kind of aware of both sides of this yeah. >> yeah. >> i think he nobody's going to believe after he takes that. he's taken responsibility for the dobbs decision so many times over and over again, no one's going to believe that all of a sudden now, he's going to change. but i do think it's a matter of how they continue to message it and how their base reacts to it. because if you can lose votes from your base as if that's their single issue, just like democrats can for immigration when match right. >> you know, i still remember during the primary, trump really was already aware of the political vulnerability here and really kept susan b. anthony some of those other groups at arm's length. he brought them down in mar-a-lago, tried to court them, but did not embrace the

2015 week ban that they thought should have been standard for all the candidates. >> all right, let's turn now to this rfk junior is out of the presidential race. he has put his support behind donald trump's cnn now reporting donald trump advisors see a potential opening with some of kennedy's supporters. kennedy says he is going to continue to be out on the campaign trail i'm going to be campaigning actively trump is going to make a series of announcements. other democrats who are joining his campaign and i'm i want to make america healthy again. so does president trump so kennedy is officially suspending, not ending his campaign, but he is withdrawing his name from appearing on the ballot in key swing states. >> he told fox news there wasn't a realistic path to the white house it became clear to me that i did not have it passed an x-ray 16 months

sentence being able to get any network really accept ox he invited me to i'm a unity government. >> we agreed that we'd be able to continue to criticize each other issues on which we don't like. >> all right. panel is back. i have to say matt gorman robert f. kennedy jr. his campaign has kind of given us a very long list of quite frankly disturbing fodder. i mean, there was we know about the bear in central park then now kick kennedy, who is a daughter of bobby kennedy jr. spoke with town in country and she said this when she was six word got out that a dead whale had washed up on squad island in hyannis port. bobby, who likes to study animal skulls and skeletons, ran down to the

beach with the chain saw cut off the whale's head and then bungee cord added to the roof of the family minivan for the five-hour hall back to mount kiss go, new york. every time we accelerated on the highway, whale juice would pour into the windows of the car and it was the rankings thing on the planet. kick recalls we had we all had plastic bags over our heads with mouthfuls cut out and people on the highway we're giving us the finger, but that was just normal day-to-day stuff for us this is become apparently normal. i mean, this is a guy who was polling up at 12% in some polls at one point, yeah, that's a very weird story it's my favorite minds me. >> the whole mitt romney with a dog on the roof of his car. that was told by i his son in an anecdote. i think tagged didn't mean any harm by thought would be a funny thing. the kids bringing out stuff with animals in the presidential candidates always kind of gets him in trouble. >> i mean, seamus, the dog, i have to say like was it it's very different that was said whale with a chain saw i was just only talking about, the offspring tom stories no.

>> look, i was yeah. i will say this i have no idea what the heck is going on with that he's a very odd individual that the family has a lot of oddities and issues to begin with, and he is certainly chief among them i i also think to my other reactions, stepping back from this too is you had this big long tweet from a bunch of kennedy, a lot of siblings talking about portraying family values. >> it was a little hogwash. we asked me, i think i just find it very distasteful also that the family equates supporting another another person politically with the big betrayal of dead relatives and betrayal of core family values. i think no matter who that is here's what family does i find it extremely distasteful. that's my other hat. taken the kennedys right now. yeah. >> what impact you think it actually has on the race, alex? >> well, he is going to be very much struggle with a pda vote. i think so and, i do think you know, at the end of day rfk junior, the democrats did in a very effective job here, both in terms of this sort of legal

war that they were, that they had encountered and trying to kick him off ballots. and it really drained his resources to the point when he didn't think there was really any path board. now that being said, now they've driven out of the race he probably it's only gonna have a marginal impact, but it's a marginal race. he could matter the other thing it's an interesting that you see both candidates now trying to define themselves as the change candidate comma harris and the candidate that future i'm trying to turn the page rfk junior is also has a change message of sorts in which he's basically like the whole system is corrupt, the whole thing is influenced by big corporations and big pharma and they are trying to double down on that message. so it's going to be maybe helped trump on the margins, but we don't know yet all right. straight ahead here on cnn this morning. >> he's back, donald trump making a return to twitter, can't seem to stop posting. >> plus an eight-day mission turning into an eight month for deal for two stranded astronauts the decision to keep

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ever. make sense, i guess, right. what else is going to be worth more collecting a sports? all right. >> let's turn our back to the 2024 campaign. the elections forecaster, larry sabato's crystal ball. now rates north carolina as a toss up in november, making it the second time southern state in addition to georgia, that might be enraged for democrats, fresh off the dnc kamala harris and tim walz are going to focus their efforts on the peach state this week with a bus tour through georgia, giving the vice president another chance to address voters who had some concerns about her before these were recorded, just before she became the democratic nominee. a little bit, a little over month ago camila, the only thing i know her for is we did it joe. >> i don't know hurt for really anything else. she hasn't proven has been for years. >> and i haven't seen anything. i haven't seen her bringit not in but campaign, not any in any initiatives like just really stepping up just ever seen a

lot of strong all right. joining me now to discuss is larry sabato is creator of sabato's crystal ball director at the university of virginia center for politics and the author of a return to normalcy, the 2020 election that almost broke america. larry wonderful to have you. thank you very much. for being here. let's talk about north carolina, why you decided to move it here and how much do you think that has to do with the governor's race where republicans have a candidate who candidly said a lot of things that are out of step with more moderate voters. certainly with even many conservative republicans, a lot of things that people say are just downright offensive yes, the republican nominee, mark robinson is pretty much at war with the spirit of the age. >> but he fits republicans in north carolina and frankly, many other states quite well the problem is in north carolina no, it's a very divided state. it's closely divided. it is leaned republican, voted republican,

fairly consistently, 2008 for evbuomwan being the major exception and governors, they'll elect democratic governors. but this particular republican candidate has said so many outrageous things and i don't want to get into the specifics that'll take the rest of your time. but it has alienated not just democrats and independents, but also a slice of the republicans as a result, you actually have a situation that we often call reverse coattails. we think of coattails is coming from the top down that a president can provide presidential candidate can provide an extra point or two for the members of his party on the ticket below the presidential race. well, occasionally, a lower level race becomes so hot, so controversial that it results in lower turnout for one party, higher turnout for the other. and it has a kind of reverse coattails effect. it can reduce the support for a presidential

candidate of the party of the very controversial gubernatorial nominee that may or may not happen here. but the elements are sure in place for it to happen. >> larry, i also want to ask you about virginia since your your home state, you've spent a lot of time there. you understand it? well, it seems as though since harris this is the top of the ticket, the democratic ticket was flipped, harris has there's not the kind of level of concern among democrats that might have been brewing when and biden was still at the top of the ticket. but i am curious to get your understanding of why this state seems to be closer than it has been in past years and what was going on? >> was it just biden is it some other set of forces that we should be? keeping an eye on it was primarily biden with all due respect to the president. >> but he had become very unpopular in virginia. in fact,

he's been unpopular consistently since afghanistan in his first year in office. and damage to, for example, terry mcauliffe campaign for gun governor, which he lost in 2021 now, with kamala harris, it's just like it is everywhere else, at least in the swing states or the kind of in-between states like virginia. the fact that she is as dynamic and enthusiastic as she is, and her supporters feel the same way. it has reinforced democratic hopes. and i think the likelihood that virginia will vote by some substantial margin. i don't i can't put a number on it yet, but there were a number of polls that had a tie between biden and trump, which is incredible because trump lost to hillary clinton by five points in virginia and ten points in 2020 to biden i don't think that that's i don't think we're going to hit ten points, but this is not going to be essentially close

either. >> all right? larry sabato thank you very much for your time this morning. i really appreciate it. >> see you soon. >> all right. a new debate this morning about the debate donald trump and kamala harris have both agreed to a debate on abc news on september 10. that's just two weeks away. but now trump is giving an impression he may have changed his mind in a post on truth, social on sunday, trump attacked abc news for a segment he didn't like and asked, quote, why would i do the debate against kamala harris on that network? >> and now there is new uncertainty behind the scenes to in a statement this morning, brian fallon with a kamala harris tells me this quote we have told abc and other networks seeking to host a possible october debate that we believe both candidates microphone should be live throughout the full broadcast. >> our understanding is that trump's handlers prefer the muted microphone because they don't think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own. we suspect trump's team has not even told their boss about this dispute because it would be too embarrassing to admit that they don't think he can handle

himself against vice president harris without the benefit of a mute button. now of course, let's remember that harris has used hot microphones to her own advantage in debates past watch this isn't, this isn't right, and i want to add, mr. vice president's speaking. >> i have i'm speaking. >> feel the trump tax cuts, mr. vice president, i'm speaking well, i'm speaking if you don't mind letting me finish we can have a conversation. >> okay. please. okay and that of course, alex became a sort of iconic moment for her, like it was plastered on t-shirts, et cetera but very interesting back-and-forth here in the fight. >> i mean, that felon statement is clearly written to get a rise out of donald trump self, right? >> after this summer, let no one ever say again that debates do not matter which is why, which is why you are having this fight over these small details and what's also really interesting is not just a she's used the hot mic to great effect in the past, but also you have to remember joe biden wanted the mute button for the first debate. they set

those rules it's for that first debate. and because they were, because they didn't want a repeat of the first debate from 2020 when trump just sort of ranted and raved. so this was the joe biden's idea. the problem was that then the trump campaign was like, okay, we're actually going to make him as felon in indicated disciplined and it actually made him seem more sober than he often comes across yeah. >> what do you think? i mean, look, when kamala took over the ticket, they tend to kind of it both ways because everyone come to over the ticket, they totally trump committed. >> we've already agreed to the abc debate on september 10, and they were saying, well, we can renegotiate a little bit. and what the debate is now, they're flipping it and saying, well, just because you agree to the debate, didn't, doesn't mean we agreed to the rules. look this she wants the hot mic moment because what she's had, if you remember the first debate with joe biden, the i'm speaking, she loves to create this little amenable moments that based off stock lines issues, practice and her team was prepared for the already the t-shirts printed up. so she's trying to draw our trump

with some of this stuff. >> yeah. at the end of the day though, does this really matter when they go to the debate that's what the american people deserve a debate they deserve to hear the issues being fought, to have a discussion. >> so i don't think at the end of the day this matters, i think is just more political insider baseball stuff. it's funny to talk about the end of day. it really doesn't matter. i think the important thing is do we'll have a debate and to have them have a discussion about the issues, right? >> i guess we'll see all right. i'll leave you with this nothing beats a dog's love. >> you saw it. all right, there. and that is why there is a national dog day, which is today. it was created to get people to think actually about adopting dogs. so here's an

excuse for you to all see radar. he is a miniature a labradoodle. he's about to turn seven. he is. i don't know what i would do without him. apparently, that makes me one of 65 million americans who have a dog making, of course, dogs, the country's most popular pet. let's play, show us your dog. matt gorman we have matt gorman dog, molly, you know, it doesn't look like me right now because this is from 1996 acutis dog competition in torreon connecticut i'll have, you know, but yeah. thank caddie 60. what kind of dog? >> that's a golden retriever, little puppy? yeah. >> all right. alex, we have a picture of your dog too. i think tell us about your dog, various shy to that that is miley who sadly is not with us, but she is very two very well loved and my sister, she has to golden retrievers. >> they had puppies, charlie maasie sage, and they had puppies and my brother and up getting one of the puppies and so they're exempt whole family