what was, what was that thing? >> i have not i'm not going to tell you well, there been a lot of damaging stories about are kitchen that's what you get when i got, but when is it a whale? is it a bear? >> it was a reptile of some sort. yeah, some years ago in beijing is a scorpion. i don't recommend it. it's good for the instagram branding really, i think this is where the kennedy i think that shows over good data unity let's go to twitter and alright, everyone, thank you very much. and just as a reminder, vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz, there'll be speaking in their first exclusive joint interview on thursday night at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn with our colleague, dana bash thank you very much for watching newsnight stay the race. laura coates live starts right now

>> what's night, jack smith looks to pierce donald trump's immunity shield. i'll take you

the president should be agnostic to who is going to occupy the office next. right. so it arguably, and i think a very strong argument shouldn't matter, that the president or

that the candidate is out advocating for a certain position. right that's not an official role. the president i think that's what jack smith is really trying to get to here, is that this is candidate trump. these are candidate actions. it's the president of the senate. it's not the vice president pence. and that's important because the president of the senate is actually an article one title. so that's that's congress. it's not the executive branch. in article two. so you see these differentiations in there. another key differentiator that i think gets around on those supreme court court cases, the fisher case. and if you see in this indictment in the fisher case was about an obstruction of official proceeding, you see mention of, you know, the actual certificates being carried out of congress at 2:20 p.m. right. so you see, jack smith really not just taking the immunity case into consideration, but also the fisher case, which was a less, i think, publicized case, but also just as important for how this case proceeds. >> you know, they're going to have to think about all these things, aren't they? i mean, they can't just look at it because this is going to probably go back up the courts again. you can imagine just from trump's reaction alone that they're going to want to

escalate this yet again. and the alleged schemes related to finding electoral or election fraud, they're out. jeff clark is no longer a coconspirator in this indictment right now, but pressuring state officials that still is in there. and the fake electors, as well. when you look at that, what do you think is the reason for why? >> well, the way the supreme court ruling on the immunity came down was it had three buckets. right. and the things we're looking at are here are kind of core executive functions, which are official acts and absolutely protected. and special counsel cannot bring that in the middle there. there are these kind of presumptively official acts that kind of fall within the outer perimeter of the office of the presidency, which both sides are going to dispute. and we have reporting tonight about how trump's lawyers basically see the way the superseding indictment was written. is in terms of the changes being too minimal, and that they're going to litigate this and this is going to be this big fight. and they will basically try and pare down the indictment far, far more than it currently is. and then and at the third category are the unofficial actions. and i think the way that the special counsel wrote or kind of brought the superseding indictment back was

clever, because kind of to your point about how you kind of phrasing it in the way that would be most amenable to an appellate court or the supreme court is to say, look, trump was acting in his capacity as a candidate and not the president. and by referencing state officials, you're saying, look, you know, we're not touching the presidency. we're not touching the white house, we're not touching the executive branch. we're talking about state and local officials. we're talking about external lawyers, and nothing to do with the government and nothing to do with the white house. and if you frame it in that way, and i think that's partially the reason why it went back to a grand jury, because, you know, under the law, you've got to send it back to a grand jury if there's new additions or or new information in there, by doing it and framing it in this way, they're kind of treading this path of keeping all of the counts, but trying to satisfy the supreme court's ruling. >> you know, it's an important point for the audience. just so we're all on the same page here, superseding is essentially the equivalent of saying, don't like that. how you like these apples, right? these are the new apples they got to bring in. and only a grand jury can actually

prosecute a felony, or they can actually return an indictment. you cannot have a prosecutor on their own. just say you're charged with a felony offense. jim, let me bring you in here. the prosecutors, they kept charging that trump tried to enlist pence in the scheme to undermine the election. >> they kept charges, pants in the scheme to undermine the election, but they talk about them as the president of the senate. and they said the defendant sought to enlist the vice president was just in the plan to use his role as president of the senate as cassandra would say, yada, yada, yada for the rest, the whole premise being it's not on as my second in command, it's because his role as the president of the senate is separate than our official correspondents. when you looked at the new way of addressing this, do you have concerns about whether this is viable at this point? >> yeah. well, look, here's here's the rub laura isn't very practical aspect to the supreme court's ruling on immunity because it's not a surprise that they say, hey, if it's immunized information than it's inadmissible at trial. that's kind of one follows the other. but what the opinion also said was that if

you presented immunized information patient to the grand jury, that's a contamination problem. you cannot go forward with that indictment because of the contamination of them hearing this inadmissible information that that is the landmine. it's still is not gotten rid of by this and diamonds. very like there's some clever verbit's, there's definitely some defensiveness to it in terms of react i think to both the trump case n, the fisher case. but at the end of the day, if the court has a hearing on what's admissible or not, what she's going to do and the contours of it, we have no idea yet, but there's gonna be this hearing. if she disagrees with tammany ancient problem, and back to having the suit proceed again. now the good news for him is indeed, saying a grand jury on data ham sandwich when it's trump, they'll indicted for a piece of bread. they don't even need the hand. >> but the bottom line is, he is still walking a thin line. >> he could have waited until the hearing and promised the super cedar in reaction to the judge's rulings, but he's being

oppressive at the same time as being defensive. and they may pay the cost eventually after that hearing well, you know you make the point about contamination. >> it's possible, right. that the grand jurors could have had an heard evidence along the same logic as the indictment presents as a candidate, as somebody that president of the senate taking away essentially compartmentalizing the previous data that could have been used and whether as a piece of bread or a piece of ham, who knows the grand jury, it's there prerogative. but judge, let me ask you in this moment because many people are wondering why didn't he just present this to judge check-in to suggest a mini trial to describe and define the contours of what an official act would be, how to give it to a jury. would that have been a prudent course you as a judge would have welcomed or was this something that binds the hands of a judge that indeed it didn't get to her i think part of it is that he really did not want to continue with the indictment that he had.

>> he did not want to put chutkan in a position of having to make a decision. what is an official act, what isn't an official act in there? and start parsing out portions of the indictment that would only lead to more in more appeals and more rigor i think that he wanted to present her with as clean an indictment as he possibly could. i think that there is one thing in the indictment that kind of troubles me the with what jim had to say and that is that there is a reference to mark meadows, not by name but as his chief of staff and then tried to make a portion of what he did not within the bounds of his presidential duties. that is by saying he also acted as a campaign worker he coordinated things, trying to remove meadows from the position of

being in there. that's the only in this indictment that bothers me. >> well, i think i think he did a fine job trying to remove as many as much of his official duties as it could. it's a fine point. the premise overall though, is that at times, individuals went rogue essentially they did not follow what they were supposed to be doing and trying to define that for him the jury is where we find ourselves, but, you know, i want to bring us current because i think we can all agree that this is not the end of litigation game when it comes to this particular indictment, but donald trump had a post out tonight and i'll read it. he says, it is doj policy that the department of justice should not take any action that will influence an election within 60 days of that election, but they just have taken such action voting starts on september 6. therefore, the doj has violated its own policy, election interference. it concludes all of these comrade kamala biden hoax. they

should be immediately dismissed. markets me, bring you in here because yes, there is a policy eight not written in law. it's not something that is written in stone. it's a policy or a guideline of sorts to suggest what you would influence but this is already the identical charges that are have been brought. nothing has changed the actual text of them. is he right? that this is somehow a violation of the policy and if he is so what he's not right. i don't believe he's right. this indictment was brought a year ago. this is just an update after the supreme court made its decision earlier this year. so i don't believe is right. and look, former president trump is going to make a political point out of any litigation, anything filed by the department of justice anything filed by a state court as part of a bigger political conspiracy against them. it's what he's done, what he's doing right now, claiming about the election coming in november, right. this being rigged, right? he's going to make these points no matter what i think that the department of justice and jack smith were moving along at their own pace response to the supreme court trying to be

proactive to try to remedy the issues that they saw ron indictment from the supreme court's case. and i do want to come one thing on what the judge was saying earlier. i agree. i do think there is some some facts that definitely be challenged, but i think we've got to also remember this december 9th fact where candidate trump back in 2020, filed on his behalf on as candidate, not as president trump. intervening motion to the supreme court with the texas versus pennsylvania case. and i think a lot of the facts flow from that point on december 9, when former president trump filed on his behalf as a candidate, i think the special counsel is trying to show that on december 9, he filed a motion as as a candidate and a lot of his actions from their flowed as a candidate. i think that's the argument you're going to try to see to get him in front of what the judge just said. but we'll see if it actually holds water in front of the court and at the appellate level, jim, 20 bucks say disagree with marcus. you think that this actually is in fact something that's problematic and a violation of policy. i got 20 bucks somewhere well, a lot more, you

bet. 20 bucks when i'm remote and you know, i'm not going to be able to collect that, but that's how you do it. >> my friend. okay. that's how you never end i forgot i was deal with laura coates. i'm sorry, laura i don't think it's crazy. >> the bottom line is a superseding indictment is always a little different flavor than an original indictment. policy is unenforceable no matter how much you want to talk. and i can talk for six hours about weaponization, about singular treatment of donald trump, differences in this investigation and prosecution than anything i saw it my 27 years as a prosecutor. but it doesn't really matter at the moment. you're not going to get a lot of leverage saying they've broken their own policy. you could argue you that the 60 day policy is trip was written or was kind of created before there was early voting. so it doesn't matter that it's been 70 days. it's that's that's a momentary tweet in the wind and sackona really matter legally in terms of what happens next. the only thing i want to go back to you real quick, laura whether our forfeit my 20 bucks or not i think this idea that the vice

president wears two hats is another incident instance, kind of like mark meadows, where jack smith determined to get meadows and pence on the witness stand. he was able to get them in grand jury as if there was no such thing as executive privilege. he wants them for this case and so he's out on a limb and again, if the judge disagrees or the hearing and there's going to be a hearing about what stuffs fair game and what's not. if she disagrees that pence doesn't really wear two hats when it comes to a president talking to his vice president that's going to be a problem too. i think i think i just made 20 bucks. >> thanks, everyone. nice to talk to all of you after weeks of criticism for not doing press, it is happening. kamala harris set to face cnn's cameras for her first interview. and governor tim walz will be what the vice president it's well, what to expect next first interview. harris and walz, cnn exclusive

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i got news for you, ramir saturday, september 14th at nine on cnn 48 hours from now, we'll hear from vice president harris in her first sit down interview and we'll be right here on cnn was talking with my colleague anchor dana bash and will air thursday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >> it's her first interview since she got the top of the ticket and her running mate, governor tim walz, will also join her. meanwhile, the debate over the debate could possibly be settled tonight that mics will likely be muted for the abc debate between trump and harris on september 10 at the trunk team saying it agreed to the rules that are similar to the one that cnn and the debate here had with president biden at the time, muted mics and no audience. it's unclear if there'll be allowed to bring notes on the stage, but the harris campaign says that debate negotiations are ongoing with me now, molly ball, senior political reporter for the wall street journal, and two fancy

right democratic strategist and ramesh ponnuru, who is editor of the national review, glad to have all of you here. reverse. well are there other rules settled or what we're still hearing some different things about the mic are not being muted. they say it's done, it's finally happening. but antwan, a recent poll found that 36% of voters various 36% who they don't know what harris stands for. and so a debate obviously a moment to have that become very clear what is the goal for the interview, if you're her and her team is the goal to get that granular detail out there or is it to continue to define oneself, person? it's generally? >> well, a couple of things. i think this notion that she is somehow afraid of an interview is intellectually dishonest or a misrepresentation of the facts as sitting vice president, she's done over 80 interviews this year alone. she became our nominee five weeks raised 540 $540,000,000.22 trips it's 14 states. she's

been busy a traveling press pool is with her at all times. the most important interview she can continue to do is intervening with the american people because that it was ultimately going to decide whether or not she gets the biggest political promotion in her life. so i think this interview, a couple of things have to happen. number one, it's survive in advance, don't make mistake. however, she cannot fall into this idea of playing not to lose. she must play to win. so part of her journey over the next seven days is to continue introducing herself to the american people. so this interview would do just that as well as lean in on some policy things that matter as she's been articulate later from her speeches and from her events, 72 days away, but 72 hours as well. what does she need to do over the next couple of days? what would be the plan? do you think in preparing for the interview? because frankly with this truncated schedule, ramesh a lot of ways already on an already high-stakes election i do think that there is a bigger upside

and a bigger downside to this interview. >> now, because we've been waiting for so long because she's only done these scripted events since she ascended to the top of the ticket and that means that that if it goes really well, then a lot of republican attacks that have been ramping up during this period will end up falling flat. but of course, if something doesn't go well then it ends up getting magnified. the clip, get some keeps getting going viral, and getting recent around you're already hearing some people questioning why she's not doing it alone. >> why as her running mate with her, we're going to likely hear that criticism going forward, but it has been done before were ones running mate is besides you, they are collective ticket this is extraordinary times that we are in the i'll be curious to see how the interplay between the two actually goes on various specific issues. but there's also an interview that happened today from donald trump. he was talking to dr. phil and ended he falsely claimed that the vote was rigged in california.

molly, listen to this i look at california. i gave a speech. i had so i had to crowds so big. i said, there's no way i could lose california, but automatically they mark it down if you're a republican as a loss that you lose by 5 million votes. i said 5 million votes. i guarantee if jesus came down and was the vote counter, i would win california. okay? >> i feel like jesus has other priorities, but i don't want to use this was running as a republican, he still might not win california's. >> and that's the thing that donald trump doesn't seem to understand, is that, yeah, there's more trump voters in california than there are in texas. >> it's just that biggest state you can draw in ginormous card, you can get an arena full of people and every sitting california, and it's still an not enough votes to win the state obviously, trump did not win california, but i'm sorry. >> i find point, but also it immediately strikes me as a double-standard at play where she is being criticized for not giving interviews, but then

he's getting introduced and there are blatantly false statements that are being made and you have to wonder from the american electorate fed's perspective, which is more valuable an interview with a journalist as great as dana bash is and will be in the interview and getting information or having to talk to a candidate who you have to clarify. in fact-checked throughout well, it wasn't exactly a tough interview from what i understand, i must say i didn't watch the whole thing, but look, i mean, i i think about this as a journalist and the politics of it, of course, are all about what's good for the campaign, what's good for the other campaign. >> but as a journalist, that's not what we're trying to do. we're trying to inform the public. we want them to be able to get to know these candidates. we want to, you want a tough interview that puts the person through their paces, but isn't a gotcha. right? so the goal is to get people to know who these people really are beyond the talking points, beyond what's in the teleprompter. so that does mean being aggressive. it does mean being tough. and dana is incredible at this and i think she'll do a very good job. but it isn't about just trying to

embarrass them or make? them slip up. that's not what this is about. it is about informing the electorate and giving them a sense of hind, you know, all the stagecraft behind all this stage speeches and so forth. who are these candidates really? because i think there's a lot of curiosity about both, both of these candidates, right? unlike trump they are not known quantities and most people don't feel like they really know who they are and what they're about in that respect, i should add that trump getting trump to say what he said about california and the lord and the vote actually does have some value because it allows us to calibrate our sense of just how deranged he is, or how stupid he takes some of his audience to be. >> but what you're saying about people being curious about harris, i think is also one of the things that's changed the dynamic of this race, which is that trump isn't the person who's the center of attention curiosity right now. >> i think that is a lot of

what is getting to him. it's not just the polls, it's not just the question of the crowd size. it's the fact that he's not the main character anymore. >> no matter what she does in the interview, is not going to satisfy everyone. and that thing, that is the most important element and that's why she can't lose focus of the strategy if the american people were generally concerned about her ability to quote unquote, not performed for the teleprompter or speak directly to the issues the kamala mentum we are experiencing would not be the way it is. $540 million $82 million in one week, you had seven beneath thousand republicans on a zoom call on her behalf 200 plus former republican officials from previous administrations signed a letter in support of her. i mean, that is something we've never seen before, as i've continued to say, she's a once in a generation. candidate and we're feeling that when it comes to policy instead of the personality, i think we should welcome that has democrats, because that's when she's at her best prosecutor versus the

prosecuted policy maker versus political performer. that's the argument and that's the bet. outtake any day. i'm my mind is on kamala harris. >> think a lot of that enthusiasm as is people who are against trump being relieved that it's not biden anymore. >> well, and i think your point about curiosity though, i think the thing that she has achieved is she has opened the door. she has opened, she has made people curious about her and they are ready to listen to what she has to say. and now she has to satisfy that curious yes. >> well, there's the interview with dana bash on thursday. there's also the debate on the tenth. both are going to be very important data points for the campaigns and the electorate going forward. and whether the rules about muting or not, it's ultimately going to come down to what is said. thank you so much everyone for being here. well, georgia democrats, they are crying foul over the changes to the state's election rules that they say is going to lead to chaos. even georgia's republican secretary of state is calling out the board. that's making the changes, how democrats are fighting back

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hide and four, election irregularities in order to delay certification of november's presidential results. so what do these democrats want? well, for the board to stop making last-minute rule changes and for the court to declare the board has to certify this year's election results by november 12th, quote, absent a valid judicial order to the contrary, they're just republican secretary of state brad raffensberger had this to say about the state election board earlier today? >> well, at the end of the day, there, it's very clear and black letter law that they have to certify the election by monday after the election. and so we fully expect them to do their job. >> do you feel like what's happening in the state election board is a direct result. the aftermath of the 2020 election and some of the election lies that were brought on. >> you'd have to ask each of them all really upset, is that the state election board is a man pretty strong words with me now, georgia state senator and

bila islam parks and david becker, executive director and founder of election innovation and research. >> he's also the author of the co-author of the big truth book, upholding democracy in the age of the big lie. thank you both for joining me this evening, senator i'll begin with you because you submitted an ethics complaint even before this lawsuit was filed. for those outside of georgia who haven't been following every single move this board has made. can you tell us what you think is going on here? >> well i filed this ethics complaint because the georgia election boards duty is to effectuate georgia elections in a fair and orderly manner. and that's not what's happening right now. the georgia election board, which is majority trump aligned decided to violate the code of ethics and the open meetings act. and so they are passing illegal rules to give the power to county election boards to either delay or deny

the certification of the of our elections. and so this is going to produce mass case as an addition to that, we have an election board member who was soliciting a job from a former trump official and so there's quid pro quo going on. it's to echo the words of the secretary of state. this the board is a hot mess i mean, thinking about the allegations, they are quite serious and of course voters, they need to have certainty and they need to have uniformity and knowing that their votes will be counted in a way that other counties will be as well. >> david, i mean, this lawsuit is directly aimed at primarily to rules. one, that would allow election officials to conduct to a reasonable inquiry before certifying election results. and the other would permit members of county election boards to investigate ballot counts. >> what would be the effect of these rules if they are fully implemented? well we have to

understand what certification of election results is. it is just as secretary raffensberger alluded to the non-discretionar y ministerial act of giving legal effect to an election. it is not an opportunity for political appointees to decide they don't like the election results and delay or stop the certification or its conduct, even any kind of inquiry there's another path for that in georgia and in every other state, there is a path to legally challenged those results. in fact, in georgia certification is a precondition to following that path so what we could see happening if the current configuration of the state board in georgia successful, it could facilitate an effort to delay or even stop certification, presumably only if the candidate that they don't like wins. and because a presidential election as a ticking clock that keeps ticking, there are certain dates that cannot be moved. december 11 as the date of ascertainment of electors would which governor kemp will have to sign december 17, 17th is

the meeting of electors january 6. of course, the joint session of congress. there could be a really desperate attempt to try to delay or stop those efforts. as secretary raffensberger alluded, though, i think this will ultimately this desperate attempt will fail even if the state board is successful at this point. but it could give oxygen to false claims that an election was stolen, which could lead to some volatility. and violence and of course, there is this rule that purcell rule that essentially says that you're not supposed to tinker with elections and preserve the status quo. >> you want to make sure that it's not a last-minute change. again, if that uniformity that certainty and of course, the supreme court's recent rulings have left in question to some extent, what last-minute means. and of course, the status quo really would be, i wonder how that will impact it, senator, these board members, they were appointed just this year by the legislature in georgia and the georgia republican party, donald trump actually shouted them out at a rally. atlanta, a few weeks ago and by name, mind

you give us some context as to how they were chosen and why they are pushing these rules well, they're pushing these rules because they're doing the bidding of donald trump and his maga allies and they need to be immediately removed because they passing illegal rules, which is why i filed the ethics complaint and i've asked the governor of georgia to at the very least, he needs to investigate these claims and these allegations. >> and we have yet to hear a definitive answer from and him from what he will do but it is very clear in georgia law that once he received an ethics complaint like this, he is supposed to convene a hearing. >> well, david, on that point, mean, governor brian kemp's office is apparently consulting with the ag or whether he can remove members of the election board do you think camp would ultimately have that authority so i think that's ultimately going to have to be decided.

>> i can't predict that one way or the other. what i know of georgia election law though, is that it clearly states that certifying an election by the deadline set in georgia statutes is a statutory the requirement it is the duty sworn by members of the state board of election's if they fail to do that or if they pursue a path that would potentially lead to that. there might be grounds under georgia law for the governor to remove it and it's and it's clear he's trying to follow the law here. he's asking the attorney general for guidance on what his authority is with regard to removal. it's clear that he's not particularly happy with the mess at the state board has become it's very clear that secretary the raffensberger, by his own words is not happy with it, and it should also be noted, this is a fairly recent development up until a few months ago under a previous configuration of the board, republicans and democrats were working fairly well together on that state board of election's. this is after recent removals

of some republican members and replacements with other republic what can members where they are now appearing at political rallies, political appointees who have responsibility over elections is something i've never heard of. that is a real problem and it's clear that the executive branch in georgia, even though they're led by republicans, is taking this very seriously. >> senator and bila islam parks, david becker, thank both of you so much for coming. >> thank you for having us well, another election battle is playing out in wisconsin over who is on the ballot, independent presidential candidate cornell west fending off and attempt to remove him and that ballot. >> but you might be surprised who wants him off and who wants him on. cornell west, dr. cornell west. who specific is my guest next? >> we look back 100 years from now and we're going to say this is where everything came

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comeback, but look, who is back on the ballot rfk junior. >> there was constant state election commission today rejecting kennedy's request to withdraw after he suspended his campaign. their ruling, once a candidate files nomination he shouldn't papers there on the ballot, quote except in case of death now another third-party candidate who can say on the wisconsin ballot, cornell west, he's one of three third party candidates now still in the race and it's the first time that west has qualified for the ballot in a swing state, it caps a string of recent symbolic victory is for dr. west, but sometimes elections can break some pretty strange bedfellows. democrats have back some of the ballot challenges against west and appears that the left wing west has an ally in his corner the republican party report suggests the gop operatives or aiding in west quest to get on the ballot why we're west could possibly peel

away voters from harris and an election that could be decided on the margins. every single vote matters. but how they're doing it. perhaps raising some eyebrows in arizona were west did not qualify one voter told the the associated press she didn't know people visiting her home to collect her signatures where republican aligned operatives adding her signature was quote forged. now independent presidential candidate, cornell west joins me now and he certainly has taken issue with the association of those who have done the latter of which we speak. dr. west. good evening. i'm glad that you are here because i would love for you to address some of the things that are being said in particular, dr. west europe been criticized as somehow a spoiler for democrats specifically, in part because you have received republican support to get on the ballot. what is your reaction to the criticism and who do you think you support to ultimately vote for if you yourself were not on a ballot i, appreciate the question,

always a joy at be in conversation with you. your brilliance is undeniable. my dear sister, it's always a blessing thank you so much. no, i'm you, know, my campaign is about truth, justice, and love, truth about everything and justice for everybody and love across the board. but one, we have to recognize that we have such a corrupt system is just in driven by big money. the billions of dollars at both major parties are going to have access to and then they are jerry out and it just do anything and all you have to do is look at the plight of my precious you who ruled three who have been so thoroughly, thoroughly mistreated, unjustly treated by arbitrary power of the government, which means what which means then that someone like myself hard working volunteers at work breaking their necks and then being so viciously attacked by especially at democratic party. and then we go to look for lawyers. it's almost

impossible to find a lawyer. you can find gerry and lawyer answered republican association, but concerned about each person voting, and that's very important. we just had brother joseph for the social equality party. he had to speak strongly on our behalf, even the differences that recognize that we have we have a system that is so undemocratic that both parties have very little interest in democracy in the end what does not to say they are identical, but nbn, they'll do anything to win and some of us trying to hold out for some kind of integrity and honesty and yes, we could be manipulated, but i've been quite explicit. i don't want any trump gangster spies operatively infiltrated. and at the same time, the democrats trying to questions like cockroaches but we rise, which still on the movement on a variety of different balance why is it that you think democrats in inspections as his head lawyers in particular, are not coming to your aid in order to support your efforts to get

on the ballot? >> do you think that it is somehow a suggestion that you indeed are a threat the democratic ticket well, anytime the truth is a threat to any set of lies and crimes, when i talk about democratic party says to hair has been genocide denier genocide enabler i'm talking about poverty, not talking about mass incarceration, not a word about reparations, not talking about wealth inequality, but the opportunity society than net. >> just those words constitute a certain kind of thread. it seems to me, but of course, course at the same time, we have to be very honest and recognize that the democratic party has had so many different forms of rot that are operative. and it pulls us itself as a major opposition to the fascism trump and it's sad to see, you know, whether kennedy has a right to be

wrong, but he's deciding what fascists, it's immoral. but if the only respond faster is what all of this lies and crimes is going to be more lines of lies and crimes then that's not a genuine anti-fascism. you just postponing and he just put and it off. and if america doesn't have the capacity to provide a genuine response, then what are we talking about? >> we're here to take fascism. we've got to be able to tell the truth about it i didn't mean to interrupt you. do you take issue or are you concerned at all about the republicans who may be supporting your efforts to remain on the ballot given some believe it's because they are intending for you to detract from the democratic ticket, which obviously every candidate must earn their right towards that 270. >> but do you take issue with the intimation that you are being used in that fashion no,

i don't think i it's a matter of being used it to matter up presenting the strongest case and i come on, legacy martin king, fannie lou hamer, rabbi heschel edwards dorothy day. >> i'm trying to keep that legacy alive. contents electoral politics, and tell the truth about americans very real policy, not getting middle east, but around the world about predatory capitalist processes and legacy of white supremacy is still operating that you don't hear too much in the democratic party these days. now to get blood, sister running. but you don't get serious talk about black people situation played and predicament out. it relates to issues of poverty and issues class and issues are so, so check not position along with the white supremacy, meaning what meaning in fact that it is very difficult to keep this legacy alive given the fact that there's not a lot of space in american society and culture for serious talk about pain and for troops, for serious talk about justice for poor and working people, and serious talk about love

brothers, sisters, siblings the humanity in each and every one of us. that's being pushed to the margins. that's the primary thing that generating the fascist mean-spiritedness on the one hand, and the militarism only other when i hear my business to harris said, america is the greatest story ever to. and i think it shiloh baptist church to say i thought it was also now we've got the cross under the flag. now we got god under the nation state. >> you can be patriotic, but not think that the nation-state is over something grander like truth and love and justice no, not at all. the gray hair here, but has i hear your knowing the greatest privileges been loved giving love to love and be loved. let's not get things confused in this frenzy in this talk about job reality as if it's joe. i'm talking about a deep joy that comes out of grief, that comes out a strike.

that's what the blues is fundamentally about. >> well, let me say my blues for a second and ask you, there's pointedly dr. west and just really quick given what you think because lacking from the harris campaign, should you not continue with your own candidacy? would you, in any respect, be open to working with that campaign or endorsing the harris campaign? yes or no? >> no. i would never sell my precious palestinians down the river and i've never had poor people pushed to the side in order to jump on that bandwagon of the democratic party and the court, like kennedy never even think about the gangs to travel. know, we are trying to be true to our calling and we proceeding to november 5 that's a cornell west, not a yes or no, but thorough nonetheless. >> thank you. i hope the voters certainly understand you're really know. >> i'm going to i'm sorry i know i hear you. >> i hear you i hear you. i understand. dr. west. thank you so much.

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