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days held captive in gaza. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with vice president harris meeting a deadline. she said two-and-a-half weeks ago not to my team. >> i want us to get an interview scheduled before the end of the month in the 19 days since she said that she's talked in formally and briefly with reporters, but not done a formal sit down interview despite calls not just from her opponents, but also democratic leaning pundits. >> in fact, new york magazine's jonathan shade has a column just out today they titled why kamala harris is safer giving more interviews. whether that's true or not, remains to be seen and maybe scene because she is sitting down tomorrow along with her running mates with cnn's dana bash, the interview will air thursday night here on cnn, the former president and amelie respond to that news, are opting instead online with a string of posts about jack smith's new election interference indictment, which will have a lot on later tonight. he also made this online announcement by popular demand. i'm doing a new series

of trump digital trading cards. purchase 15 or more of my trump digital trading cards. and will mail you a beautiful physical trading cards. really i think quite something it is quite something indeed, by the way, he says the physical card would include a piece of the suit he wore to his debate with president biden and the garmin. he said people were calling his knockout suit he also posted this about his upcoming debate with vice president harris quoting him now, i have reached an agreement with the radical left democrats for debate with comrade kamala harris. it'll be broadcast live on abc fake news by far, the nastiest and most unfair newscaster in the business. things may not be quite so cut and dry though from the harris camp and we'll have more reporting on all of that shortly. a lot to unpack tonight. let's start with the harris-walz seen an interview or political director david chalian has more so david, have this come about? what can we expect? effect on thursday well, as you noted, anderson, this is something that vice president harris sort of set out as something that she was going to do by the end of the

month and it is pretty remarkable when you think about the six weeks that she's had. >> i mean, she unexpectedly became the ninth how many? and since then coalesce the democratic party behind her raised a ton of money, had a shortened vetting period for her vp candidates selected tim walz. is that candidate, went through battleground state toward a roll them out and then into her convention. but all of that that i just described, which was a pretty stark i'm just shooting month or so in american politics was all scripted now, this is the opportunity that voters are going to have to sort of hear her respond to questions about her plans as president and how she addressing the concerns that are top of mind for voters as we head into this final ten weeks stretch. and i think it's a good opportunity for voters to see how she thinks through some of the toughest, most pressing problems in an unscripted format. >> yeah. i mean, obviously the

campaign, the candidates have come under criticism for not doing unscripted events off a teleprompter. what's at stake for? >> well, i think what's at stake is that she doesn't want to do anything to halt the momentum that she's built in this race thus far. so she doesn't want to have a stumble and we've seen some examples in the past where she hasn't knocked it out of the park, right she had a pretty bad have you with lester holt at nbc at the beginning of her tenure as vice president, that still an interview that republicans playback and use against her when sort of framing her immigration record they point to that interview, but listen, i think that it's unlikely that there's gonna be some hw who dramatic moment the way we saw joe biden on the debate stage. and she does has done interviews a bunch, but i think what is important here is that voters get a sense of her

thinking through this stuff and getting a little more meat on the bones. we just haven't heard a ton about her plans what she's going to try and pursue as president. and i think an interview like this both in terms of domestic and foreign policy, will give voters some very important insight into the, into her thinking. >> all right. david chalian, thanks very much more now on this, have timber tenth debate and the as-yet on finalized details of it seen as kristen holmes joins us now, she's been talking to horses there are still questions about what this debate will look like. what are you hearing from both campaigns? >> yeah, every day there appears to be something new and just when we thought it was settled, it might not actually be. so as you read that statement from donald trump, he got out there today saying that he had reached an agreement with kamala harris that he had reached an agreement with abc and that the rules were going to be the same as that cnn debate. just a reminder, we had learned that the two campaigns had come to somewhat of an impasse over one specific rule, which was the unmuting or muting of the mics when the

other candidate is talking in our cnn debate, those mics were muted when the other candidate was talking however, the harris campaign, they said they wanted them unmuted. that became a point of contention. then you have donald trump going out there saying that it was agreed upon that they were going to move forward with those same cnn rules. now, he didn't mention the muted mics, but he did say it was going to be a stand-up debate. they wouldn't be sitting down that you wouldn't have any crib notes. but when i reached out to a senior adviser specific thankfully, they said yes, they had reached an agreement with abc that the mic would be muted while the other candidate was speaking. however, it appears that may be that agreement was not reached on the harris side because moments later we got an a statement from the harris side essentially saying both candidates have publicly made clear their willingness to debate with unmuted mics for the duration of the debate, to fully allow for a substantive exchanges between the candidates. but it appears donald trump is letting his

handlers overwhelm him or overrule him. >> sad. now, not a specific that they've agreed to anything, but also leaving yet very vague questions now as to what exactly is going to happen, anderson, there is still a lot of concern among republicans and among donald trump's team themselves, that trouble decided not to appear on that stage. if the rules are not the same as the cnn debate obviously his team thought that went well for him, so they want to mimic those exact results. it's a new candidate though, so mimicking that seems unlikely. >> all right, kristen holmes, thanks very much joining us now, cnn, political commentators from the right and left respectively, scott jennings, maria cardona, also cnn political analyst and new york times, national political reporter. astead herndon. first of all, let's talk about the sit-down interview. scott it's the first time the vice president going to be sitting down for an interview. she's doing it with her vice presidential candidate tim walz. do you think that blunts

attacks from republicans or is there the line now going to be, well, why isn't she doing it by yourself? >> yeah, i do think people are going now bring that up like i have great confidence and dana and cnn to do this. i think it's incredibly weak, weak sauce to show up with your running mate the fact that they don't have enough confidence in her to let her sit herself the actual top of the ticket and do a single interview. in fact, i think the handwringing and the gyrations over this, over the last month show troubling, lack of confidence in her political ability, which also makes you wonder as a voter, what kind of president would you be if this kind of a small time decision can we do an interview or not? what does that look like for your decision-making process? so on site, yes, i think republicans are going to think it's pretty weak to show up with a effectively someone to take up half the time maria, i mean, you're i mean, why not do it fell though you know, scott's assertions are just incredibly weak.

>> speaking about week and just not true but look, republicans are going to continue to try to throw everything at her because nothing has stuck and she will i'll do interviews by herself anderson. let's remember that she is the nominee for all of maybe a month in some days. and so this compressed time frame, i think doing an interview with her alongside her vice presidential nominee is going to give voters the chance that they want i believe, to not just listened to her, but to listen to the vice presidential nominee and what will they do is a team, i think that this is going to be a great forum for the vice president and for her nominee for vice president. to be, able to offer, continued to talk about what they're going to do for middle-class voters, working class voters, making sure that they understand that their history, the vice president's history, and tim walz's history mirrors there's they grew up in middle-class working class environments. everything that

they're going to do is going to be fighting for them. in contrast, so somebody like donald trump, who has never done anything in his life that is not self-serving or for himself. and i think that debt dana is going to focus on questions that will let them bring that out astead, what do you what do you think they're doing it together? >> not by herself. >> well, i don't think it's a secret democrats over the last couple of years have increasingly thought that they can go directly to their voters. and i think frankly been fairly slow to coming around to doing mainstream, traditional interviews. we've heard the biden campaign now turn the harris campaign complained repeatedly about reporters trying to ask those type of questions have stayed away for more traditional media interviews as they've tried to go to influencers, sorry, to go to a podcast that are more friendly venues for them and they found real success with that. i think what is coming happening now though, is there is an onus on harris and walz to differentiate themselves from the biden ticket, there's open questions about what their vision would be, what their legislative priorities would be and while they democratic

convention was advertisement for the party writ large a lot of the things people are saying on stage could have been just the same if it was president biden as the nominee rather than kamala harris, what an interview does is put the onus on her not just for the mastery of issues and kind of command of issues, but to lay out a vision that is something that of kamala harris has been fairly uncomfortable with speaking as someone who has interviewed her. that's not necessarily her where she likes to be. she often says, i'm not someone who's good at speeches. i'm post someone who gets things done now we know its president as a big core part of the job is to lay out that kind of viciously in a two-person when you have a two person interview and you have a limited amount of time, it does limit the interviewer's abilities this is going to be the last we hear fire, though. this is going to be the first, but i do think that question of can she do it alone will loom and they will have to be able to put her out in spaces where she is answering confrontational questions and laying out her vision by herself. is this is all we get in terms of her along with walz. i do think those questions over bring out first got in terms of the debate do you think? trump had gone out,

though people in his campaign were apparently saying they want their went to the mics muted. he the other day yesterday, i think it was said he'd be fine. he'd prefer it if the mice weren't muted, but you know, we've talked about the rules of the rules does should the mics be muted if you're a trump supporter, look, i think all this is sort of tedious baloney, and it's just, you know, no one's going to care about this. and that's what people said about the first debate and not just pretty monumental so, but, but, but, it wasn't the rules that cause joe biden to malfunction and destroy his career on live television. i mean, i look i think i think it's fine if they're muted. i think it's fine if they're not based on our reporting. i can't tell what's been agreed to or not. trump seems to think we're having the same rules, but it doesn't matter because they both have to do something. he has to really get her floundering around on flip-flops and her record with biden she has to stand up to a test. right? i mean, people expect their presidential candidate and it needs to be tested. they both have reason to be there. i think the rules are secondary and i'm with trump i'll just say if i were

him, i would say the same thing. i don't care. turn them on, turn them off. i'll be ready. >> maria what do you think i think that it's smart of the harris campaign to try to push for unmuted mics because we know that every time that donald trump speaks, he lies. >> and if the moderators are not going to be fact-checkers, because that would be a gargantuan feet because of exactly that and i think that the vice president should be free to be able to fact check on the spot. and also, we also know that this is an opportunity if the mics are unmuted, that donald trump is going to become unhinged. he's going to become donald trump he doesn't know how to confront somebody like kamala harris, a strike strong competent woman, a woman of color, a daughter of immigrants. everything that donald trump has seeked to demean and degrade when he is on the stage with her. i think that he's not going to know how to confront that. and that is going to come out if the

mics unmuted. and again if he blurts something out, if he tries to to interrupt her than she's going to have the ability to fight back essentially. and so i think it's smart for them to push it, but at the end of the day, if it doesn't become something that is, you know, mics, unmuted, that's fine too. i think that she's going to demonstrate that she's a prosecutor and he's the 34 times convicted felon no one knows how they're going to respond in a debate where the pressure is just so incredibly intense on and on that, on that stage, whether there's an audience or not, no one really knows how burning things and trying to get it you she might respond great. >> it might bring out some fire in her it might also, you know? am i totally derail her. i mean, as it would with anybody. yeah. i do think there we have not seen her in this setting. we haven't seen her up against donald trump, but you got to remember for a lot of democrats they have been salivating at

the idea of kamala harris across the states from donald trump all the way back since 2019, there is understandably high expectations for her coming into this partially because there pitching her as someone who can prosecute the case against donald trump as the perfect foil for someone like him. so i do think that there will be a sense of pressure on her coming in, not just to show a command of issues or defend the administration's record, but to lay out the case that a lot of democrats have her have one, it's someone like her to take to him directly so i frankly heard a couple of harris people at the dnc say they're worried the expectations are too high for her coming out, but i don't think that's something that can really hold water because what we are hearing from them as they reason why she's best suited is exactly for reasons on that debate stage. so i think that that's something that she has to come in and actual, although i will say those rules have like a two-minute woman at woman, it does limit you know, the ability to go back and forth with each other in a long thing in which they want those interactions. >> remember her on the senate hearing stage, she likes those confrontational spaces. i've

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program, don't trump is erupting tonight online over today's revamped set of charges for special counsel jack smith, his most concise posting reads in all caps, persecution of a political opponent. he's referring to these superseding indictment that smith filed today, designed to retool the election interference case to meet the supreme court course. it's broad new interpretation of presidential immunity. now, more on what is in this new indictment from cnn's katelyn polantz, who joins us now. so how is this indictment been rewritten and how is it different than the original? >> well, anderson, there's about 13 fewer pages here than there were in the original charges against donald trump. four counts still the same, but all of the facts that back up those counts have been clipped or nipped a little bit in this newer version, the way that it's been done is the justice department has had to observe what the supreme court told them to for a bubble of protection around the presidency. they're cutting out things now in this indictment and they had had before they wanted to talk to a

jury about donald trump's interactions with the justice department with the top person they're named jeffrey clark, who he was trying to help you spread the idea of election fraud. that's out. they also wanted initially to talk to the jury about things that trump was saying or hearing inside the white house is president intel briefings he was getting things he was saying to aides in the oval office. that's not here anymore. and then crucially, anderson, the other thing that's missing is a bunch of things about mike pence, but not everything. there still is a lot about mike pence in this document and it still is something that puts pence at the center of looking at immunity around the presidency going forward. >> so what happens next well, anderson, next, there's going to be a filing on friday where the justice department says this is what we want to do, how we want to figure this out, because there is stuff in this indictment but the judge is still going to need to look at potentially appeals courts will

look at as well. >> there's a hearing plan for next thursday and back to mike pence again as vice president. what they're trying to do here is say, we kept everything in this indictment that says mike pence was acting as the president of the senate on january 6. that is something thing that judges, courts are going to be looking very closely at. it could mean more hearings. it could even mean witnesses being called to the stand well, before a trial, whatever take place witnesses up to and including the former vice president himself, polantz. >> thanks, joining us now to drill down further as former federal prosecutor and bestselling supreme court biographer jeffrey toobin and cnn legal analyst, norm eisen, who wrote in the wake of the immunity decision by the supreme court, that jack smith would have to follow what he then called a slim to win strategy to preserve his chances of prevailing the case, joining us as well, cnn senior political commentator, former january 6 select committee member adam kinzinger. jeff, what's your reaction to this revised indictment is make sense? >> well, he had to do it the old indictment, which just

didn't pass muster at the supreme court. >> and in the key distinction here is the supreme court's said that official conduct for the president by the president can't be the subject of a prosecution it can only be unofficial conduct. >> so the indictment tries to portray trump as candidate trump much more than president trump. now, the distinction between official and unofficial is not all that clear and i think that's going to be something that comes up a lot. but the real theme of what jack smith did today was to try to make this an indictment of donald trump for his unofficial acts that's what the parties are going to be fighting about in court starting next week. >> norm, what additions in this indictment stand out to you anderson the subtractions stand out more than the additions we've gone from her hundred 30

paragraphs do 106 from 45 pages to 36 pages, but there are no he's mostly removed allegations about the interactions of donald trump with doj, whatever you think of this supreme court's opinion, there are a few things that are more official than a president talking to his department of justice. >> but there are important additions. it starts on the first page. it used to say the defendant disseminated falsehoods. now it says the defendant used his campaign through disseminate falsehoods. and you see those modifications on page after page where they are adding those phrases to narrow as jeff notes, the scope appear tightening it down i don't think that you can quibble with smith's effort to slim this indictment down i do

think he has a strong hand and he's playing it. >> congressman kinzinger, i mean, as a former member of the january 6 select the house select committee, how do you look at this revised indictment well, just like the others, i mean, it's it had to be done not a surprise, i guess. >> i'm fairly pleased that none of the charges were dropped and none of the actual charges just kinda had to change what was backing it up. >> but i mean the crazy thing about all this is first off, if you think about the supreme court decision, they did not really go into much specificity about what is unofficial or official acts. what i can see in the lawyers here would be smarter than me on this, but i can see this basically, every charge in essence, almost having to go up to the supreme court because they did not but do their job except that the chief justice said to the outer limits, whatever that means. i mean, that's another thing up for interpretation. amy coney barrett kind of gave a little specificity when she said the fake elector scheme wouldn't

count, but it just for a supreme court to have created such a big precedent and not put any meat on those bones this is going to drag out, i think the bottom line here, anderson is november. i mean, it's all about november. if donald trump wins, obviously there is no way this goes forward under his justice department. if he loses, then we have to go through a bunch of more hoops, but justice will be had, but it'll be nice by the way, someday, whenever that is, maybe it's, maybe it's like monday maybe it's years when former presidents quit using twitter or truth social to emote every day about their anger and just maybe go back to using statements again, like adults do. jeff. >> what about the conversations points, but i'm a what what what does this actually mean in terms of does this go back to the supreme court for each of these things? >> well this is this is an absolutely critical issue that the parties are going to fight about. the usual rule in criminal cases is you only get to appeal after a conviction. you can't appeal before the

case is over and the district court on this in on this issue of presidential immunity they trump was allowed to appeal to the dc circuit and then to the supreme court. that's why this indictment is 13 months old. and there's no trial in sight. the big issue up upcoming is presumably judge chutkan, she's the district court judge, is going to say that some version of this the case can proceed. the key question, which is unresolved is will trump be allowed to appeal before the trial? again. because if he is, that could mean another six months or even more of delay. if he's not allowed to appeal, there could be a trial in early 2025. of course, that depends on that will only happen if harris wins the election, then who decides if he can appeal or not? >> sorry. >> who decides whether trump

can appeal or not the courts themselves. >> i mean, the issue will be i mean, it's the judge shut well, first it will be judge chutkan, but then that decision of whether he can appeal will be appealed itself so i mean, this again, the defense lawyers have done a very good job of putting this case on a slow boat to nowhere. and for the moment that's where it remains. >> so norm. what do you make of how prosecutors have reframed vice president pence in this indictment? >> well the historically anderson the vice president, is also the president of the senate. that's spelled out in the constitution and backed up by long practice. it's not, he's not an official executive branch actor. if he's in converse stations or taking action on behalf of another branch of government so i think it's, it's legally sound it

fits into their larger strategy here. they are signaling that they continue to have a strong case to the congressman's point this now goes to the court of public opinion. we will have proceedings, we will have a tension on this, but ultimately the american people, because the supreme court took so long to decide and because their decision was so the bad, it is now up to the american people, whether or not donald trump is going to face a jury on this very strong complaint. and i think by no wonder donald trump is mad anderson by doing a superseder. they put that question to the jury of the american people norm eisen, jeffrey toobin, adam kinzinger, thanks very much coming up the former president tries a little talk therapy with dr. phil his attempt to refine some of his most controversial statements

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that's not what he said in 2016, just a couple of weeks before the election again, my father was not involved in this election. he hasn't supported or come out to endorse anybody at 98, as i told you earlier, he's just happy to wake up in the morning. >> randi kaye spoke with some of the graham family to get the bottom to get to the bottom of the disagreement what is your relationship with your uncle, franklin graham about an awkward hug at thanksgiving an awkward hug because darusha to ford has made it clear she's skeptical of her uncle franklin graham's claim that her grandfather, the late evangelist billy graham, voted for donald trump in 2016. your uncle franklin graham has said that your grandfather, billy graham, voted for donald trump. >> i think back to that election and i know the state that my grandfather was in his health and to believe that he voted for anybody with sound mind just seems unlikely. i

believe it was absolutely politically motivated to come out after my grandfather died and announced to the world that he had voted for donald trump. you have you spoken to him after he made that claim? >> i don't even have his number do russia is brother arm to vision, doesn't believe his uncle's claims either. >> he called it a blatant below-knee when franklin graham said it in 2019, in response to his uncle's assertion, are in posted this very sarcastic tweet i'll never forget that day in 2016, when my grandfather, billy graham shrugged off the symptoms of parkinson's and hydrocephalus, got up out of bed for the first time in a year, drove down to the polling station and cast his vote. what a glorious memory one person commented asking franklin graham, is your nephew calling you a liar our him now regrets his public comments and declined our request for an on-camera interview, but he told me by phone, i find it hard to believe my grandfather at that point in his life wasn't voting

for anybody knowing my grandfather's state at the time. i'm not even totally sure he knew the election was coming up in the past. franklin graham has shown support for trump. >> i believe donald trump is a good man, and i believe he's president the united states for some reason, i think god put in there. >> he even spoke this year at the republican national convention. >> as long as i've known the president trump, i found him to be a man of his word. thanks that he said he'll do. he did billy graham died in 2018 to russia? told me her grandfather exhibited love, patience, and kindness thing. she says donald trump is not and she doesn't think her grandfather ever would have supported someone like that. >> there's a quote from my grandfather back in the early 80s, he said that i don't want to see religious bigotry in any form. it would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right, the hard right has no interest in religion except simply to manipulate it. >> what do you think he meant

by that quote that it's easy to use faith to manipulates politics to get what we want still do russia is leaning on her faith as a guide and a reason to get involved, even as an evangelical christian, she wants vice president kamala harris to become the next president. >> she recorded this video for the group evangelicals for harris voting. kamala for me is so much greater than policies. it's vote against another four years of faith leaders justifying the actions of a man who destroys the message jesus came to spread, and that is why i get involved in politics. >> and you rougeau seize more hope in the harris campaign hope that our country can go back to being a welcoming country. people that have freedoms to live, how they he wants to love who they want is not something that i feel like we've had the freedom to do. i don't believe that trump's presidency created that. >> she doesn't believe trump's words and actions line up with the views of jesus and what the bible teaches.

>> i think trump's presidency may be gay people permission to be hateful. and it emboldened them. and i think that's what really scared me anderson. >> we did reach out to franklin graham for comment, not only asking about the split in the family, but also asking whether or not he did stand by that claim that he made back in 2019 that his father, billy graham, did vote for donald trump back in 2016, we got a response from him this evening, and this is what he wrote my father and i had many conversations about donald trump. he knew president trump for a number of years and appreciated many of his policies. those leadership abilities and his vision for the future sure of this country, even though i have family that may disagree with me and my father, i still love them and he did as well. anderson, i'm sure you noticed in that statement that franklin graham did not spawned to our very specific question about whether or not he stood by the claim that his father, billy graham voted for donald trump in 2016. he simply did not address that. we also anderson reached out now to the trump campaign to get a response on

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they demonize you, do a lot make a big deal out of the fact that you said you only going to have to vote one time? yeah. you like me, you only going to have to vote one time ever or whatever your quote was, you won't have to vote anymore. >> my beautiful christians, i love you christians. i'm my christian, i love you you gotta get out and vote in four years. you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good. you're not going to have to you know, why that was said with a smile? christians for every reason don't vote very much, you know, proportionately . nra people and people that feel very strongly about the second amendment, they're not voters. i don't know why. maybe it's a rebellious streak and i said to the christians we gotta win this election. and we win this election i'll straighten everything out in less than four years by a lot then you

don't have to it doesn't matter. in other words, i'm saying you don't have to vote, doesn't mean we're not going to have elections. you can have elections, but you have to vote this time back down with cnn, senior political commentator scott jennings and adam kinzinger, congressman kinzinger, i mean, if someone was concerned before about the foreign president telling christians they'd never have to vote again and they voted for him on election day is this new explanation i'm going to put their minds at ease oh, probably not. i mean, i thought that they were kind of picking up on trump saying that was a bit of a overkill for some folks. i mean, i think it was pretty obvious in listening to trump, he was saying basically just vote for me, i'll fix everything. which by the way, but anyway, that was his point. so i never thought this was a this was a big deal and sitting down with dr. phil probably will put some people at ease. but i think if folks were concerned about, i mean, let's keep in mind, he did say he'll be a dictator for a day. even if he was joking there to put this all together and bring some concern. but i think this specific comment, it was a bit

of an overkill for people to say he's saying there's never going to be an election again. >> well, funny. you mentioned the dictator on day one because he also talked about that with dr. phil in this interview, i want to play that but what they use a lot was i'll be a dictator. and i said jokingly on sean hannity is a great guy and said no, sean i want to be a dictator for one day because i'm going to get going with drill, baby, drill and i'm going to strengthen the borders to a level like you've never seen. i only want to be an after that, i'll never be a dictator. so i said it nicely. i said, and i said one day because i wanted to do the energy and i want to strengthen the border. one day scott i mean think about that is that shawn haney actually did try to get it from henry was being trying to be very helpful with trump in that initial interview and sort of what was clarifying like, hey, i just want to make sure you're like, you know,

you're not really going to be dictator. >> and his response was, well, just on day one. so he didn't actually help himself all much. do you think this clears up? >> look, i always thought this was overblown to i agree with that. and by the way, on his first comment, i thought the thing about the adam, i thought adams exactly right? so this dictator thing, when i watched it, i thought he was sort of half joking, but also just trying to make a point like if i could, i would change these policies right now because it would make the united states better. what's amazing about it is this whole dictator thing. it is become the basic underpinning of the entire democratic campaign. i mean, every speech, every surrogate, every set of talking points, they send out to people. you i mean, you've heard it on this she does have a thing for dictators. >> he does have a thing for strong hr mcmaster and his new book. i had him on last night writes about this and mcmaster was flummoxed and concerned. he told his wife, you know, toward the end of his year they're like, i can't understand the hold that putin has on this guy to dueterte. and finally, hr mcmaster's came around to at

the end of his book writing that he thinks. this from memory is, i don't want to misquote him, but basically that you know, that by getting the admiration of strongman, of dictators, that trump, it'll make trump feel like he himself has a strong man oh god. i've never served in the oval office with trump's, so i can't i can't speak to mcmasters in his impressions of it. i just know that on this particular comment and the way it's been construed by the democrats, i think has been completely like a lot how to comments like the bloodbath thing that's also been blown out of proportion, trump does occasionally say things that are like little crevices where you can get a foothold and start climbing. what i think is an untrue wall. and democrats have really blown these comments up now whether people actually believe it or not, i don't know he was president for four years. he was not a dictator. he was constantly flummoxed by congress on occasion. so he pretty much operated like a president. does scott, do you think he's dictator curious? i'm sorry out there. what did what did i said?

>> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry i think he is dictator curious. i mean, look you know, to my friend scott, i agree with a lot of look. i think the broader context is about the dictator. it's not focusing on just the one comment. but let's keep in mind, you would have stayed in office on january 6 if law enforcement would have allowed him because he tried to overturn a free and fair elections. so that kind of stuff comes into play with all these comments, but i agree if you're going to just focus on one or two things, he said, there's there's broader broader issues when i think actually the democrats that's her are and need to do a better job of bringing that big around in a bigger, a bigger point. >> adam kinzinger, scott jennings. thank you again. appreciate it. sorry about messing up your name. i don't know why coming up next kidnapped on october 7. this is really hostage. family thought he was dead how he was rescued next have i got news for you? >> it's coming to cnn this fall pros and cons less pro hosted by roy wood, junior row

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rushed to a helicopter, much thinner than he was when hamas snatched him as he guarded a packing facility in a kibbutz near gaza, almost 11 months ago his families agonizing, wait almost over, rushing through the hospital to greet his helicopter up to soldiers and medics carefully structuring him towards doctors from the hospital. and this family, the little khan, both brothers faces saying it all. the rescued hostage gaunt, but smiling his elder brother, beaming ear to ear i can't explain these feelings. it's like being born again god bless. and we say thank you to everyone. >> the idf describing the troops involved in his rescue as daring and courageous, saying are caddie, it was found alone without his captors. >> we cannot go into many details of this special operation. but i can share that

israeli commandos rescued guide for connell caddie from an underground tunnel following accurate intelligence at the hospital, the first readout from doctors al-qadi is doing well. >> he appears to be in general good condition we will, require another day or two medical will make sure he is still okay. in the desert. >> his better when tried readying for that moment, home fires lit traditional coffee, brewing, the extended family all coming to celebrate what they and he believed might never happen. did your brother think? he was going to survive? >> can make god wrote him another life? >> he himself doesn't believe that he is back alive. he told me when i saw him that my wish was to see. you can say hello to you and then i can die. >> his younger brother telling me al-qadi and the families wrote back to full recovery could be a lot on one, it is

impossible to erase to memories that he saw there. i personally will not go back to who i was before. i am completely changed as they await. >> tell cat is return. they pray, grateful. they say no blood was spilled in his rescue, that the war and the suffering may end. and all the hostages come home and it really is a strange feeling being there with that family absolutely. they have that feeling of celebration. but what's really coming through to me, at least when i was there is the reality for them of what this loss means, of how much they've suffered really how long that road to recovery is and then you think of the hundred and four other october 7 hostages, 34 of them believed to be dead, but that's another 70 families who are hoping to have moments like this. but they are as we've seen, so bitter, sweet, the hard reality of all that pain and suffering