and when the chiefs won the super bowl last year, which was really hard as a 49ers fan, really hard. taylor prove that she not only loves the players, she loves the game, so will she be criticized yes. but i think she will shake it off. all of that criticism. she's her own mastermind and i doubt that coming up with football plays, means her end she will prove that if she were the man, she'd be csm golf club, make it almost like a like you've got to you've got a chance with you, like to work here there is no time that i have met that i'm going to lose everybody thank you so much. >> thank you for watching newsnight state of the race. laura coates live starts right now

and why both getting mad. plus special counsel, jack smith has filed his plan for how and when to move forward with his january 6 case? >> and we alone or not, a former top pentagon ufo hunter. >> yeah, i said it makes us stunning claim as he takes us inside the secret program that he once lead. tonight on laura coates live 67 days to go until the general election and donald trump is struggling to confront, let alone resolve an issue that he created for himself the end of roe roe v. wade. we find exhibit a in his very home state of florida. now, there there is a six-week abortion ban that amendment on the ballot overturn that particular ban yesterday, trump appeared to suggest that he

blinked be willing to vote for overturning that ban. when he said this well, i think the six week is too short it's has to be more time now that caused panic among his base. conservative erick erickson win as far as to put it like this earlier today and if he loses in november yesterday august 29 in the year of our lord, 2024 will be the day he lost. >> if he doesn't do some damage control pretty quickly. >> well, the damage control, it wasn't far behind trump told fox this afternoon that even no, he's still things that six weeks is too short, that he would vote not to overturn that ban. he claimed the reason is because the amendment would allow abortions at nine months. now, that's not true. it would allow abortion until viability, about 23 or 24 weeks but there's more on the issue of signing a national abortion ban

should he went office, trump would not say whether he'd signed one or not. >> i'm not going to have to think about it because it's working out so well right now the states are doing it. it's a state's issue i knew the answer is not surprising a democrat to build a large part of their message on this very issue. >> but you know, who might be surprised, maybe a little bit his running mate, senator j.d. vance, who said this. remember, just five days ago i think to be very clear, he would not support it i mean yeah. >> i mean, if you're not supporting it as a present united states, you find it really have fito tell a federal abortion ban. >> i think he would with me now, sam brody, national political reporter at the boston globe, and misha cross, a democratic strategist, and jason osborne, former adviser of the 2016 trump and ben carson campaigns. >> thank you all for being here. let me begin with you, sam, because as you see trump appears to have changed his

tune on the abortion amendment in florida after just, i would note 24 hours. so what do you think is behind this shift well, this is an extremely difficult issue for donald trump and the republican party. >> and i think what you're seeing right now is it candidate and a campaign in real time that is trying to adjust it some very, very shifting waters here it is going to be very hard for this campaign in this candidate to control this issue because florida is just one of, i think about a dozen states that will be voting on abortion in some way, shape, or form. this fall. so they are going to have to react to very specific policy proposals that are happening in these states. it just so happens that this is unique situation which donald trump is a florida voter who is going to cast a vote on this but, you know, this is a party where erick erickson noted this is a party full of single issue abortion voters and donald trump is going to have to try really hard to keep those folks in his camp and showing up to vote for him while not alienating these folks in the

middle who are very fired up to vote on this issue. >> i mean, it's interesting to me, jason, because first of all, trump has shifted his stance on abortion. i mean, not just in the past several weeks or years mean literally for decades. listen i'm very pro-choice. i'm also proud to be the most pro-life president in american history. >> the democrats are the radicals on this because they're willing to have abortions in the seventh, eighth, ninth month for the first time. the people that are pro-life have negotiating being capability because you didn't have it before. they could kill the baby in the ninth month or after the baby was born. i believe in the three exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother, i believe in that without the exceptions it is very difficult to win alive actions now, everyone has the ability to evolve their thoughts over time. that's

true. but jason, this is an issue that is so important to so many voters and ones consistent position. all the more so how do voters trust him on the issue overall reproductive rights when it seems to be fluctuating well, i you know, i watched all those clips that you just played in he did seem to shift a lot over the past few decades. >> you know, i think honestly, i don't know how to answer that question for him. what i would say in what i would suggest if i were still advising him would be you have to be what he did with the supreme court is exactly what the pro-life movement and republicans have been asking for forever, which is returned the issue back to the states. he's done his job and i think he should stand proud on doing that job and leave it be from their let the states decide which they are doing. and now what you're seeing is on the pro-life side biden republican side is they don't like the fact that the states are having a say in this because they're not voting the

way that they thought they would be in several of these states. so i think for him, it's going to, it's obviously a challenge. i don't know how you overcome that challenge, except to be consistent in saying i did what i did in my first term. the next term, the reality is there's never going to be a federal abortion ban in front of the president of either party. there you're just never going to get the 60 votes in the senate. you're not going to get the 200. and what votes that you need in the house instead of dealing, with hypotheticals, deal with what he did by appointing the supreme court, the three justices on the supreme court, and stand by that decision. >> well, that's the point of misha right. that he wants to herald as a feather in his cap, the overturning of roe v. wade and the placement of supreme court justices. then there's the idea, be careful what you wish for if it doesn't work out that way, you want but now there's this new introduction which perhaps was foreseeable. or not. it's not just about the way that life, as is defined by some is ended, but now also how it is begun and

started. i mean, he has now vowed to make insurance companies or the government pay for ivf treatments. i mean, listen to that what his running mate, senator j.d. vance told my colleague john berman about that very issue how is he going to pay for it is is this an expansion of obamacare? >> is this a mandate? >> well, look, i think you have insurance companies that obviously are forced to cover a whole host of services. the president explicitly said that he wants insurers to cover additional fertility treatments. i think it's also important to point out that it's become way too expensive to raise a family in this country, john, thanks to kamala harris, is policies so right-hand, left-hand. got to be on the same page saying body, why are trump and vance struggling to have this coherent and cogent message on this issue. >> i think partially because they are trying to toe the line with multiple audiences. we know that the far right is not a fan of ivf and they're also not a fan of women being able

to make reproductive choices broadly. so they're trying to, when it comes to the religious right to keep that line in place. that's why donald trump in 2016 chose mike pence so that he could get that base revved and ready to go. now we're in a much different place. women are galvanizing regardless of what political spectrum they happen to be a part of their galvanizing cross states. we've seen it when abortion is at the top of the ballot, we seen it multiple cases be rejected by women. women are 54% of the american electorate. there's a recognition that j.d. vance has turned off more women then as possible that that i thought possible in general with his commentary. but when we see with donald trump is somebody who has flip-flopped on this issue. do someone who, for whatever reason believes that he can call for an explanation of policies, pricing, and everything else related to the economic agenda and economic policy plan of vp. harris. but does not want to answer that question when it comes to ivf nordas, his running mate, and for anybody who doesn't know ivf treatments are in the thousands of dollars and the jordi of women who will need

that or have sought that treatment they have to go through that process to 23 sometimes four times. so i would really like to know how the small government republicans think that it is viable for them to run on expanding it because you won't have to expand government and government. and government processes to be able to push this through and if you're talking about making the private sector, making it, making private insurers jump on. this is the same donald trump who did not believe in expansion of obamacare. this is the same donald trump who has fought to get rid of obamacare without anything to replace it for years now, indeed, i mean, on that point, jason, the idea that the particular details are going to be very impactful for those ideas. in grand statements and big planned. first of all, both campaigns are criticized and having these big statements and jason, me ask you because trump last year said that florida is six-week abortion ban was a terrible thing. >> we did. so i was governor criticized him saying that it's never a terrible thing to protect innocent life. now, when the rnc he changed the

planet, the party platform and trump's behest before the convention, there was an anonymous anti-abortion leader who told politico, quote, trump in his campaign, officials are willing to sacrifice the pro-life cause for the sake of their political expedience. if you go on further this week, laila rose, the leader of anti-abortion group live action, said that trump and vance are quote, making it impossible for pro-life voters to support them. so do you think that anti-trump anti-abortion supporters, excuse me will turn out for trump, given all of this absolutely. i mean, i think at the end of the day, you know obviously there are folks that are single issue voters, right? i mean, there's the on the gun side of the gang control or anti gang control side. and the pro-life side, those are typically your predominant single issue voters and they're going to see this presidency, a trump presidency as being a much better presidency than a kamala harris and tim waltz, president or vice presidency. so i'm not worried about the

pro-life movement turning out they know that donald trump represents a better future for their families, for their for their own selves, for their jobs. and their job security so at the end of the day, they're going to come into the ballot boxes or they're going to mail in their ballots and they're going to decide that donald trump is better than kamala errors sam we have a couple of data points thus far, right? >> you've got the convention's, you've got the upcoming debate, you got the interview just yesterday stay with my colleague, dana bash and there was a moment that people were wondering, even, even quentin tarantino at one point essentially to paraphrase him was saying, just don't mess it up. the mess up the actual interview i do wonder from just last night alone, do you think that there will be more interviews with the press to flush out conversations? like this about the platform positions, either before the debate or more intensely after well, i would certainly hope so as a member of the press, both before and after, i think there

were some interesting discourse around the big interview last night really indicating that it might behoove them strategically to just do a lot of them. >> and so as to not i've built up so much anticipation on one single media appearance that just, you increases scrutiny and scrutiny on missteps. but the fact is, is that the harris campaign has not rolled out a really much of a issues or policy area of there i'm site much at all. we have an idea of course, of what the vice president wants to do. heard about specific plans, a lot of the convention, but nothing in the way of like, here's a broad really in deep look at what she and governor walz might do if either right. >> yeah. >> trump either. of course. so i think but, the fact is is that this is a ticket a harris-walz ticket that has spent less time on the trail. so i think it would be smart for them to viewed as opportunities to flesh out

aspects of the platform, not have so many eyeballs and so much anticipation on missteps in particular interviews and yeah, i would hope that there would be opportunities for for press print tv, all of the above to really get into the details with them before and after the debate, i'll be curious what charge they employ and to wait and the voters are concerned with the actual vehicle of those conversations. thank you. so much for everyone joining me tonight. >> all right. everyone. i've got a key filing. it's just in tonight and i have it in my hand a details the path forward. that's been proposed by jack smith's january 6 case against donald trump i tell you all about it in just a moment. >> it's pods bigiggest sale e o the e summer save up t to 25% o movingng in ststorage for r a ld titime in cy p pods has bebeen trtrusted withth over 6 mimillit don't wait, , ususe promo cocod big 25 to save visisit hot.como today y i'i've t two flightsts

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67 days it seems though you go neither are asking for a trial to happen before that. but the real headline is neither are asking to have that event. sherry hearing. we often heard about the mini trial before that date, either it seems are arguing that this should be done on the papers for the judge to determine immunity. and what is official on the papers? blown. explain. >> yes. i think i think several points, right. number one, the schedule that has been laid out by trump because this is a joint filing. trump laid out his position in the government's latest version. the trump schedule basically kicks all of this past the election. they have shoehorn, this little appointments clause filing in the middle to get themselves past november 5 because they don't i mean, frankly, they just don't want any any discussion about the january 6 case to fully aligned on the appointments clause discussion is whether or not they were entitled to have jack smith even oversee these matters, whether he was rightfully in that position argument that was raised by a judge cannon down in florida.

go yeah so they are based basically pulling the argument that was in the documents case with respect to what's jack smith unlawfully appointed and that's judge cannon in the documents case dismissed that prosecution and is now on appeal. >> and what trump's lawyers have done is to take that argument and shoot wanted in here and try and get this before the judge in order to push the schedule out by weeks and weeks, and we knew this was coming down the pike. pause todd blanche trump's lead lawyer was always contemplating trying to kick the can down the road of long as possible. but i think what's also interesting and tim and i were talking about this just now is the government also doesn't lay out a schedule that contemplates anything coming before the election. and to me it does it does tacitly suggests the government has finally decided it cannot get this to trial. it cannot get these hearings in a timely fashion before the election, and they've given given up that road for now. >> well, now of course if you're the prosecutor in these cases, normally you're not contemplating an election as your deadline for when you can bring a case and just because they can't get it done before

the election doesn't necessarily bowed mean that they don't believe in the merits of their case, but the schedule is really interesting the way that he goes laid out that even trump is saying maybe beginning of 2020 25, maybe the fall of 2025 would be prudent here. what do you think it is that jack smith has counsel and his team believed they should be argued not with an evidentiary hearing. in a mini trial, but look, your honor, read the motions, read the paperwork, and then you decide so i think that this is only an argument that he can make because he went and got that superseding indictment earlier this week what i saw because what he did was he tried to figure it out himself instead of having the evidentiary hearing where the judge would cut apart what isn't is not immune jack smith made his own determination, went back to the grand jury and tried to represent the case, cutting out all the things that he thought were immune. so that he can kind of avoid the hearing altogether and move forward much more quickly obviously, this new indictment is going to

be subject to attack by the defense. but he's hoping that through the papers that the defense is not going to be able to raise any issues that it would create a factual dispute where a judge even needs to have a hearing and so by doing that indictment first and then briefing it, and he's even offered a kind of a reverse scheduled. it's the defendant's motion. and so ordinarily, when the defendant makes a motion, they put in their briefing first than the government responds, defendant gets the last word jack smith is proposing the opposite. he's saying, i've cleaned up the indictment. let me filed the brief first saying why everything is not immune. the defendant can respond and then jack smith wants the last word, so it's kind of reversing things yeah. so it's all based on the new indictment was interesting to me about this, and frankly, it's relatively short, which in a world where we are used to seeing from jack smith and counsel like dozens and dozens and dozens of pages is actually as far more routine where the parties get together, they're trying to work things out. >> the judge just wanted an

answer. so when do you want to do it with the schedule? but importantly, and to your point, tam that trump is likely going to file additional motions to dismiss. they all acknowledge that in this particular motion and what they've guided. one reason is because they think that the superseding indictment is based on immunized testimony or things that should not have come in and they are intimating that the grand jury, the new grand jury that heard it probably heard things there is also submit to the supreme court's decision. so they're asking the judge essentially decide the immunity issue first. the resolve that first because if they find that the pence or any other material about that, in fact, was immunized. they can't go forward. they acknowledged that. >> yeah. and i think this has always been the issue with the superseding indictment is, you know, if if judge chutkan for whatever reason decides anything in the superseding indictment is official conduct and has to be struck i've talked about this before about how the supreme court in its ruling said, you can't advance

evidence will present evidence that you that you weren't gonna be able to take to trial either. and so that would have tainted the grand jury process and retained a superseding indictment. and so the special counsel would have had to go back, get a new superseding indictment with a new grand jury that hasn't heard the evidence that has already been tainted. and so i think it kind of envisions that process coming down. >> so what's checking in and do the ball is in her court. it's her prerogative in terms of scheduling of it. she's not going to think about the general election as her cut off at all. but what she did do well, i mean, i think that one thing that we're going to see here is for the first time since we've finally gotten past the idea of doing this before the election, we're going to see what a real trial schedule looks like and i think that the judge is going to set out something far more reasonable is not going to be what the defense is suggesting, but it's not necessary. >> certainly going to be exactly what jack smith is suggesting either. jack smith is saying, why don't we take a lot of these motions and just consolidate them and filed them all at the same time whereas

the defense is saying, well, we need to do immunity first, what they really want to do appointment close first, then immunity, then the other ones so i do think that she may consolidate some, but i think it's going to be somewhere in between. >> what's fascinating is the interplay of all these different cases. the judge cannon case, the classified documents case, the supreme court's decision in the immunity case. and now of course, this matter in washington dc normally judges are not happy having to consider how to resolve other courts motions as well. but they're all interacting in a way that every single one is connective tissue yeah and the judge cannon thing in particular is interesting, right? because this is something we'd also talked about at length, is the fact that you now have a ruling in the southern district of florida in the documents case where judge cannon has dismissed that prosecution on the basis of jack smith's unlawful appointment depending on how the 11th circuit rules on that, we are going to have a

potential split circuit decision between the dc circuit and the 11th circuit. it may be that judge cannon has reversed and it goes back and that's full done. but we now have this situation where trump can raise the motion in the deal you see case to say, hey, look, the judge in florida dismissed it. and so we think this is a viable motion here as well, and we're going to shoehorn it, then we're going to try and extract a little bit more delay and if that hadn't happened in florida, if jack smith hadn't brought the documents case, for instance, that would not be a player that's available to them right now. >> by the way, for even the rationale for schedule was multiple pages and my eyes immediately catch and we'll come back at this point that they have a control date set of december 13 to file motions to compel discovery, which means that no matter what it can't just be you saying that you use testimony that was not under the official acts. they got to hand it over over as well for litigation. everyone standby, hugo in tim, we'll be right back the pollsls for him. .

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filed a request to have williams conviction overturned after testing found that his dna was not on the murder weapon, a prosecutors expected to present evidence in court just last week to support that very motion. >> but the hearing did not happen. why not new dna testing show the knife had quote, been handled by many actors, including law enforcement and the attorney general's office argued that it could not, therefore exonerate williams then bell's office announced that it had reached an agreement with williams to get him off death row. it would have allowed them to be re-sentenced this time to life in prison. it was approved by the court and the victims family. >> but the attorney general's office, they oppose the deal and they appeal to the state supreme court which then blocked that agreement. >> supreme court then opened a st. louis county judge to an order that judge to hold an evidentiary hearing. now, that did happen earlier this week,

and we're now waiting on that ruling. st. louis county prosecutor wesley bell joins us now wesley, thank you so much for joining i mean, this case and just the iterations and the journey is very striking to so many people. he is set to be put to death on september 24. it this current hearing does not go in his favor and the judge does not spare him execution what happens next with the governor intervene well, where we are in uncharted water, laura, to be perfectly example, to be perfectly honest are legislature passed a law giving prosecutors standing to bring cases are real hoping cases where there is evidenced of innocence or wrongful conviction. >> and so we open this case under that under that statute and we believed that their serious concerns with this

conviction. obviously, this conviction was from 1998, so it predated me we created a conviction incident review unit so that we could make certain that we have safeguards in place to make sure we get it right. and in this case, there are serious questions about this conviction. and at the very least, regardless of your politics on the death penalty we don't, we should not, no one should be executed if there's questions about the conviction you know, it seems like everyone but the missouri attorney general, andrew bailey, agree that life in prison for winds was the way to move forward. and i should note, it was based on an alford plea. i understand where he was not agreeing to say that he was guilty, but that he was agreeing that the government had some level of evidence that could possibly meet their burden but it was maintaining his innocence nonetheless. >> why do you believe that he is so determined to have this execution happened even when the family is on board with the new plan.

>> obviously, the the inmate as well and your office you're not be speculating on why the attorney general's office is taking this position but it is just disappointing. >> we took an oath to bring justice, not just to bring convictions and in a case like this where there is serious concerns and issues with the evidence an irrevocable sentence like death should be the last thing that's on the table. if if, if this individual was sentenced to life in prison the state, the attorney general's office, loses nothing it gives us an opportunity to continue investigating this case which is what we would like to continue to be able to do but by executing him, obviously, we can't we can't bring take that back when there's a question about a conviction or potential innocence even the

most starch death row advocates, i don't think we would want to see someone executed under these types of circumstances. >> can you explain this this notion about how because the murder weapon was handled by so many different people, mishandle, you know, you had this chain of custody aspect. you want to keep your evidence pretty pure and it's close to the moment of the alleged incident as possible to have the purest of evidence. why would they be arguing that? because law enforcement may have touched i think a prosecutor had touched it multiple times as well, that that at would not be enough to suggest that the burden of proof could not be met or that it couldn't exonerate him. it almost sounds like they're saying yeah law enforcement touched it, but didn't mean that you didn't touch it. is that enough? >> should it be and laura, you're a former prosecutor as prosecutors we have a duty to make certain that a defendant

not only has a fair trial, but a defendant has a fair opportunity to appeal their case. >> and so we have to be careful with how we handle evidence at all phases of a trial. and the fact that the there is questions about the handling of the evidence of the case which prevents mr. williams from being able to mount a an appeal in this case to look at potential dna evidence, some of which was not available at the time in 1998 is a dereliction of our duty and again the death penalty. i'm opposed to it. it's not a deterrent it is not give families closure because of the scrutiny that courts give death cases which they should. but in a case like this, when we have clear when we have evidence that suggests

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that the government is in possession of biological remains of non-human origin he also describes personal and cows within unidentified anomalous phenomena also known as, you pee luis elizondo joins me now, how unbelievably exciting everyone is almost hitting. their televisions with trying to lean in on this moment. i mean, you have written that the u.s. government has been operating a decade's long, i got to read this crash retrieval program for these uap that biological remains of non-human have been found are you talking with aliens or real? >> well, what i'm saying, laura, first of all, thank you very much for having me on your show. what i'm saying is that we have something that is made by non-humans. so whatever that means, right, where you're talking about aliens in the vernacular center, are we talking about something that's been here all along? there's a lot of options were just now at

the point as a nation, as a country, as a government, we're beginning to acknowledge this why is it that there is so little transparency around this issue? >> i mean, what drives that decision is it fear? right? is it lack of information? is it something else? >> oh, governments want to make sure that they can provide safety and security for their people, for their citizens. and this particular case, we have technologies that are being incurred into controlled u.s. airspace. and over sensitive military installations. performing in ways that we cannot replicate. and there's nothing we can do about it. so that's not a really good conversation to have if you're a military leader, to have with the american people, right until you have a solution. >> that's a really important point because it would create perhaps anxiety with the inability to answer certain questions. and yet there are people cool crave information, and want to know if it's real. and by the way, you mentioned military mean. there's his

video released in 2017 that shows navy pilots and countering this uap. can you explain what we might be seeing here yeah. >> there's actually lot of videos out there and the government has yes. so a lot of people are murray with the three videos that you're showing now. but what a lot of people don't know, there's been other ones that have come out forward from the pentagon where they've released. they said, look, we have no idea what this is. that's a perfect example that is another example they called the silver orb. that is the famous gimbal video that is a vehicle that is flying at altitude. it's going 129 that's against the wind that is, that is hurricane force winds, right? we're not talking about a balloon. we're talking about a technical vehicle that is going against the wind and it begins to maneuver and a very interesting way, most aircraft, because you have wings when you turn in your articulate the aircraft this way, you lose lift and you lose, you lose altitude that's not what we're seeing in that video. we're seeing a crime. you can even hear the exasperations of the pilots when they say, well bro, that's not a drone dude.

there's some expletives there. and the vehicle begins to turn away. that really these are trained pilots. these pilots are trained observers. their combat, some of them are top gun pilots. they know the difference bridge between an su-22, a mig 25, and an f 16 from ten miles away. and what they're seeing, they're defies all description in some cases these things don't even have wings, know rudders, know elon's no control surfaces, no cockpits. and so there in lies the conundrum. >> wow. have we recovered some of these crafts? >> so what i can say, so my i wrote my book for a very specific reason. first of all, i wanted to document and record my experiences in an actual uap program by the pentagon. but more importantly, i had to get it reviewed by the pentagon ahead to go through a security review in this case, almost a year. it went through the security review so when i finally got the book bookbag, that was the pentagon saying, you can publish this. it is not classified. and in fact, anything that we don't want, we're going to go ahead and redact which i left in the

book. so anybody can read and say, okay, that's a portion of government doesn't want you to see and i kept those redactions covered so people can see exactly what what i wrote. >> drive back nabil. >> well, i do well, what i say the redactions are in there at what i mean is that the black lines right? i'm very glad i still have my security clearance and i don't want to i certainly don't want to violate the law. or compromise national security. but this is, i think is important because this is the ability for me to write an experience and get it approved by the government to say you can talk about it but that's not the only time that's happened. recently last year, there was a historic hearing that occurred in congress where several people to pilots and intelligence officer testified before the american people under oath to congress, where they talked about is these co, none other than a fight anomalous potential of the recovering three of advanced technology not made by humans and biological samples. >> what time at the samples could of course, hollywood has an image of our minds, of what

non-human biological data or looks like. i mean, look at this anywhere from tesseract, minnesota to navid, from avatar. i mean any idea when you just which might be the closest the material that i have been privy to and i have to be, you know, i don't want to beat around the bush, but i also very mindful of my security oath. >> i can't i'll go right up to that line of what i can talk about. i can't go over it we had trained medical doctors in the us government, look at some of these biological samples and also the material and research was done. and when they did their research, i am certainly not a scientist and i'm not a medical doctor. so we have to rely on the expertise of the scientists who supported these efforts. both in the past and our program and what they're telling us is that this stuff is truly exotic, that this stuff is, it would be like people say, well, you found this material on the ground is a possible some sort of foreign adversary. built it. and of

course you have to say yes, it is distinctly possible. but when you look on how this material was manufacturing and the precision and the arrangement of the molecules to the other molecules. it, is. we've had defense contractors come back to us and say, it's too expensive, we can't make this. not only can we not make it now, but this material was found decades ago. so that would be like going into, let's say king tut's tomb for the very first time in the 1920s and all of a sudden finding a fully assembled 747 sitting in the 800m, right? it doesn't make sense that that type of capability to make that did not exist at the time the tumor was made. and this is same thing, same analogy with this. we have material we know it's there, which real we can study it but we don't know how it's manufactured and it's manufactured in such a way that is very perplexing. and some of the properties are very nuanced and very interesting. and so this is why you have interests

by the government to explore and study these materials. >> this is so fascinating to me. i, it's unbelievable what you must know and what must be out there. i knew we weren't alone. and if we're not, let them be watching laura coates live. thank you so much. >> david lewis, elizondo. thank you. the pentagon saying in a statement, the program quote, continues its review of the historical record of us government. uap programs. adding that but they have not discovered any verifiable information because a fan-shaped claims that any programs are in the possession or reverse engineering of extra terrestrial materials have listed in the past or exist currently ahead. >> it's not every day you come back from summer vacation with an olympic gold medal, but 16-year-old track star quincy wilson is doing just that and he's here with me next. but first i want to bring you this week, cnn hero, since 2021, a record number of unaccompanied migrant children have traveled

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and field athlete ever to win olympic gold. and quincy, he joins me again now quincy, i'm so excited for you. congrats. >> thank you so much for having me. >> wow, it's hard to focus at. they gave me this to try to give me shade. i'm looking at yours that is impressive. show the audience is, is it heavy is it sees found is very heavy six years, ma'am. >> yes, ma'am. wow. >> how does it feel to wear great to know that you earned it? >> it feels great. you know, what, a lot of support around me, my teammates, my family, and everyone just supported me and i just know that when i whether it's metal, it's not just my metal, it's everybody else's metal that has helped me get to the point. and so as one of the most things that i'm so happy about and i get to showcase because everybody else it's helped me get here. it wasn't just me and knows a big family that helped me get here is as one of the things that i can say now that everyone can see what their hard work has been, has been

putting into my mouth can see all those long days that she's joe me to practice. this is what it's as a mom of somebody who plays sports, the back and forth is real. >> you should have her where that ends. as well. but, you know, talking about the experience of being there, i mean, you're 16-years-old? >> yes, ma'am. >> you are the youngest male athlete track and field ever to be in olympic games what was that like when you first walked in there and knew that they had expectations that you had to earn the reputation that you'd friday earned all over again? yes. >> so that's one of the things i would like to of course. thank the veterans of track and field that let me know that it is not any new state as you've never been in. it's going to be a bigger atmosphere. more support is more fans, but it's not just a simple, regular nine lane check. this the same as i've been doing it as one that thing because i can think burning and all the other 400 meter runners that we're out there giving me advice. they just told me that as one of the things that i kept in mind and they just guided me through the process and gotten me through

the village in different things and how what thing that you need to know, what things you don't need to know and things like that. so i'm leaning keep him money and just all the different things that you can look forward to in the future because they said in a couple of years they're not going to be running anymore and it's going to be my turn to be that person to give advice to the younger generation, the goldman metal but a reflection of the pride of a nation and say congratulations, thank you so much. wow, quincy wilson, everyone. thank you so much tonight on 360 after one flip-flop today and one-half best, where does the former president really stand on abortion? >> what he said? and what voters could make of it. keeping them honest. also tonight that vulgar post he spread online about sex acts kamala harris and hillary clinton, because running mate was asked about it and how he tried to explain it it's causing >> was in fresh up later, all we're learning about the tragic killing of a star h