rosalynn carter do you remember when you and president carter started having >> this rosalyn carter to remember when your president carter had a conversations about him running for president >> i do. >> what was that like, what was that conversation? >> we had a friend that he said he thought he ought to run for president. we couldn't even say the word when my husband was running for

office. we kept it very quiet. .. i couldn't. i mean, he could hardly say i'm going to be president. it was just something that was, you know, we'd never, ever dreamed would happen. we never ever dreamed it would happen. but it was exciting -- i was excited about it. i had campaigned the whole last year before the governor's race for him. and it was horrid. she was a baby and i didn't like to leave her all the time. but, i enjoyed it. i learned so much about our state we have one or 59 counties i knew the capitol of every county. and the issues that's how i got involved in mental health issues. running the campaign in virginia.

maga mental health facility hospital there had been a big exposé and a been passed this was 63 this was 1966 when jimmy first ran for governor. our leadingad democrat kennett d a heart attack. they weren't moving people out of the hospital because it was like 12000 people they only had room for 3000 is happening all over the country. they were moving them out before they had facilities for them. there were noar services in the community and everybody started talking to me about what would your husband if he was elected governor of georgia? i just learned so much about what was going on after we lost that election i worked for years to learn about mental health. there is the governor's

commission. when he told me about that i thought this will give me a chance to go across the whole country and it was so much fun to me. i loved going into people's homes and we first started campaigning for president. i went to florida in thein beginning those of the two primaries. i had beenin working on the supy basis at home. when we got home from that navy, jimmy had me. [laughter] i did not work the first year. i started helping him and he only had seasonal labor. i started w working for him he said why don't you come keep the office boy visit the farmers. i would glow there might be six people in someone's h house and

talk about the price of fertilizer i knew how much the gig cap for their corn, i loved it. it was hard it was so exciting i had been able to learn all about georgia and learn about the country. and i thought i knew he would be a good president. >> mrs. carter when did you know during that campaign they are husband would be elected president? >> i never doubted it, we never doubted i don't think anybody in our whole campaign thought we would lose. i mean maybe you have to have that set of mind to win we campaign all of the time. >> was the peanut brigade? >> the peanut brigade was a lot of our friends. start out from georgia but then it grew and grew and grew. we campaign all over the

country. it was reallywn wonderful in fat we had no money. everybody who worked in ourr campaign had to find a house to stay on, someone who was a supporter that would let them spend the night with them. [laughter] where they had to pay for a hotel. that could not happen now it was very close with money that wasn't even the money to win the nomination. >> rosalynn carter january 20, 1977. what dout you remember about tht day? >> it was inauguration day. we walked down pennsylvania avenue in the cold cold weather. >> whose idea it was it to walk? >> is jimmy's idea he didn'tte tell me until the night before didn't tell anybody else except the secret service agents.

the secret service agents didn't wanted to first security. they didn't want to walk at all. i thought it was better no one was anticipating him walking down pennsylvania avenue. i think he thought everything would be different maybe we shouldn't do it if everybody knew it. anywayas it was really wonderfu. quick to generate 20th 1977 you are the first lady of the united states. how do you prepare to become first lady? >> the hard part for me is going from the farm supply business to the governors mansion a beautiful governor's mansion. it was new the outgoing governor had only lived in it for two years. it was authentic furniture all the way through.

and i went to see the outgoing governor's wife after we won and i asked her who did the cooking and she said i do. i sit who serves the table and she said i do. everything i asked her she did it i said i'd like to see your office where's your office she said i don't have one she said i had in the capitol where the governor and they handle my correspondence i said you make speeches and she said no i love the governor's mother do that i went home and said what have we done. and the first thing i did is hire a housekeeper. and then we talked the prisoners to cook and i'd developed a

fairly competent staff. they had invited me toobe entertain them and they're coming to perform atalanta. generate 30th we actually moved into the governors mansion january the 12th. jimmy had an answer in this area and i called her she was a really wonderful person. she came and help me we put tuxedos which was new and different foran them. anyway we had a really wonderful meeting. and then i got her to organize those who could take people to the governors mansion when i went the first time there is in the hallway cutting the tours and i thought that did not seem very homey.

so i had a list of people that came and helped, it came every day the mansion was open. anyway i had to learn everything i had to build a staff it. we learn by trial and error. we had my sister help me for instance when we entertained one of the first entertainers we had ma'am we read his biography has talent and what he did and we planned it perfect. read the atlanta speedway we got him he stood up. when he stood up to sing heat opera if you can believe it i slid under the table after that we learned we had to audition everybody. when i got to the white house

everything was alreadyci done ahead of social secretary did not have to worry about. i didn't worry about we're going to have to server anything tomake up plans for me, bring tm to me and i would decide. it was really quite wonderful. amy was three years old when we moved to the governor's mansion. she had never known anything else. and in the governors mansion the only thing i would change you could not get from our upstairs to where we live to the kitchen without going to the tours. amy learned at three years of age to walk to the tourists like this. everybody would say there is the baby there is the baby and then she gets her she'd walk straight through armor we got to the white house and s went f to school the first day it was amy going in like this what should be doing all of her life going through the tour and everybody felt so sorry for what that was just part of the life.

and after that happened on the first day the press got together and decided not to bother amy anymore. and that was really wonderful to we didn't have to worry about that. >> where did you first meet jimmy carter? >> plains, georgia has a population of 634. i think i knew everybody in town. there were no girls my age in town and k of course i knew whoe was. i knew him but he was three years older than i am. but his little sister was three years younger than i am. with stay in town if we had a basketball game or some event at the school she was hit with her grandmother who lived in town.

we became really close friends she was my best friend growing up. >> this is ruth? yes. but he graduated from high school at 16 milliman 11 grades back then when i was 13. there is no way i thought i would ever go with jimmy carter. i didn't go with him until he was he came home from the naval academy. and it was the night before he was going to leave but ruth and i plotted to get me out there with him i had fallen in love with this photograph on the wall. [laughter] so she would call me and i would go out there and he would be gone. one day his parents had it pod house fairly close to the house.

and everybody in town use it for church events and school events and things like that. one day she called and said someone had used the pond house the nighte before they're going out there to clean up she and ayjimmy and one to me too come spend the day with him at night as of the church meeting standing at the door it was a youth meeting and ruth was her boyfriend and jimmy drove up in the asked me too go to the movie with him. so i went to the movie with him then i went to the railroad station to see them off the next night and then we starting writing letters to each other and at christmas time he asked me too marry him. and i turned him down. i was young. i had promised my father on his

deathbed i would go to college. and i had not finished college. i went to w annapolis for there weekend of the ring dance i don't member what they call thah weekend he asked again and i accepted that i was still young. >> july 7 , 46. you said your father died when you were quite young? >> 13. >> i was the oldest of four f children. i had two brothers and them at y little sister who was four years old. and my father developed leukemia i did not know he was sick and i had been wanting to go to a church camp in the summer they told me we did not have enough money for it. and then one day i came home from school my daddy asked me if

i would still like to go to the camp i said great i didn't know he was going to the hospital to see what was wrong and he died may beat that was maybe may. >> how did that affect your role as the oldest child? >> everything change for us. i was ther oldest one my mother had never written a check. she went to college for two years and had a teacher certificate but she neverug taught. back then you ordered your groceries at plains mercantile company but your clothes and things. and they would send the groceries to the house and my daddy paid for it all. when he was on his deathbed he called us allnd in and the children and told my mother shee wanted him to sell the farm if she had to because she warned us all to go to school.

he but the next year her mother died she was an only child. and mama died we had no idea she was sick my grandfather lived on a farm outside of town. he went out to milk the cows and when he came back and she was leaning over tying her shoes dead in the chair. somebody called my mother 11 months after my daddy died we had been depending on them so much and said your mother died this morning i can't imagine anyone doing that i was getting ready to go to to school and i heard screaming in the hall on the telephone. and it was tough. my mother worked in a grocery store and then shorten the school lunchroom. when i was still in high school she got a job in the post office and at work there and she had to

retire at age 70 it was the law. i was campaigning this was 1975. christmas because her birthday is christmas eve and on her birthday she had to retire. though i was campaigning i went campaigning after christmas i came back home and my brother said call me as soon as i got home and said come see mother she cried all week long. she is sad. she had to get up and go to work every morning at 7:00 then she had to come back later in the afternoon but my grandfather came to live with us when my grandmother died. and so it might mother had flexible hours because the postmaster did not want to get up early and he did not want to stay up late. i sit mother, don't you enjoy being asleep in the morning? she said it's not that just

nobody things i can do good work anymore. that made an impression onn me and so when jimmy was president i did work with aging i became interested work with mental illness n because there were no doctors to care for people with mental illness. and there were no geriatric doctors he passed an age discrimination law with people in the federal government could work as long as they wanted tol and people outside could work until they're 75 worked a lot on that very. >> rosen card it you have always been a political partner to your husband, is that a fair statement? >> i have been a partner. he was in that navy for seven years after we got married we had three boys. the first two years -- mike after the first read one baby and he was gone for two years he was on battleships back then you

had to serve two years before you go to ther air force. he was gone from monday to thursday every week and had duty when night i had take care of everything. and then when we got home and i began working the farm supply business i knew more about books and he did i fax that is we really develop this good partnership i could say don't buy corn anymore were losing money on it. i could advise him and that just developed into really wonderful partnership. i did not campaign when he ran for the senates. i kept the business will he campaigned. but then, i campaigned when he ran for governor was the first time i campaigned. but then when he got in the governor's race i learned all the issues and campaigned on did

the same thing when his running for president. >> i know lady bird had come through on t a train i think its the first time that women had campaigned. i wanted to know if i could campaign and other states we went to florida we would stop along the way and the towns and pass out brochures and look up the radio statement we started going toward antennas because they were radio stations. this might be just a music especially when they played music. uli'd say my husband's running r president i like you to interview man is a present of what customers a president ofbe the united states that is that you've gotta be kidding i say no i'm not getting they had no idea

before the first day was over i had five or six questions thete things i wanted people to know about jimmy. i came home and said i can do it what i learned is everybody is the same. good families there good things for their families that usually wanted a place to worship that wanted to make a living and have a good life. they have other things but juste in general people will be happy and have a good home and a good family brickwork senior book first lady from planes you write that you are more political tha. your husband, what did you mean by that? he says what he thanks no matter what it is and sometimes i would get after him.

be politicalave to if they cater to people to influence and vote for you. it's not being dishonest let them know how you going to help them with the problems of the things that they want, just being political. but jimmy think something needs to be done is to be done now. when henffice. and when he was a president i don't think he ever did anything controversial that bothered me sometimes. it's controversy all the time. >> rosalynn carter in the white house you held press conferences, traveled solo,

acted as the emissary. how did you develop the issues you wanted to talk about her become expert in? exit worked on mental health toured the country. worked with problems of the elderlyy and a lot of that came from seeing what happened to my mother because that was in the campaign. but also in campaigning they took me where there were a lot of a democrats. i went to a lot of nursing homes. the facilities for older people. i saw what great needs there were in that area. i had worked on immunization in georgia had a good immunization program. a

he was later senator he was government the same time jimmy was and works with the centers for disease control a really good immunization program she talked me into doing it. and so two weeks after he got to the white house she called me and of course i was ready to work on immunization and the white house. that was one of my great victories. immunization about school age and only about 15 states. i don't harvest 15 or 17 and first year we work with the secretary of hhs we got in all 50 states and that was exciting. we had a big meeting in washington i go from one subject to another.

we had a big meeting in washington to celebrate with countryrom all over the the next day there's not one word in the paper about it i was sofa upset so i called i said i know there was a camera there he said it was ours but no one was interested in immunization. i got upset with the press to because they covered my mental health work the first few meetings i had. and then they never showed up anymore. in one of things i wanted to do is bring attention to the issue how terrible it was and what few services there were. getting it out in the public is what i did in georgia ingested income. one day i was walking in the white house and met this woman who was one of the press people.

i said nobody ever covers my meeting and she's that ms. carter mental health is just not a sexy issue. and that i did not like but i did not get very much coverage for it. but we toured the country, found out what wasgi needed, developed legislation passed mental health system of 1980. it passed through congress on month and voluntarily retired from the white house the incoming president put on the shelf never implemented it. it's one of the greatest disappoints of my life. i know we have mental health symposium i have a great mental health program here. and one of the people who worked with me in the white house, the

subject was affordable care act and he did a comparison with the affordable care act and its almost identical. that just past parity in it was announced the final regulations i had parity in the 1980 and the systems act. things dod not move very fast d mental health affordable care act covers parity we also had immigration in 1980 legislation by combining mental health behavioral health. >> you and betty ford worked on at together. >>hat is right. after we left thehi house we go to washington she would republicans and i would get democrats we made some progr brickwork's yourusbands were known as being best friends did

you and betty ford have the same relationship? >> yes we developed a good relationship. jimmy and that is when jimmy and gerald ford began talking and saw they thought similarly. i start working with betty and we develop the really wonderful relationship. there are several first lady stillar living. is there a sorority of first ladies? next i had a good relationship with betty ford and lady bird. as long as she was alive. but that is about it.

there has never been -- we see each other at events and elaborate dedications but there has never n been a closeness tht i had. >> first lady had a weekly luncheon with your husband. what was the purpose of tt? >> i had eightht luncheon there relways things i wanted to ask him. some of it was about the familym and things going on back home. but we also talked about issues. i would say it was more a family familyand personal things going. but it gave us time to do that. after we were there until about august jimmy state at the oval

office a good bit in the daytime. he did not go back a much at nights. started calling about 4:30 in the afternoon my office was in the east wing and said always been in the white house to but i put over in east wing. he started calling me and said t let's goat jog or let's go do something and also i wondered tr be home when amy got home from school. so stop scheduling anything about part of the afternoon. we would jog or exercise, swim and sit on the truman balcony and talk about what he had done during the day and what i had done during the day. we just had a good relationship. but, what i learned in the white house was there is no way to know what is happening because of the press. you cannot learn from newspapers you cannot learn from two

minutes on tv. we didn't have computers then the big mainframe was still in the white house and no onene evr used it i don't think he got those activated. this was a long time ago. >> i could not tell. elevator upstairs. i would ask him, what did you do that's a lot to do because i had to know. i going i mean, i was touring the country, i was having press conferences and i needed to know. and so it in february after a year when they when you step off of the elevator, he said, why don't you come to cabinet meetings and then you know why we do things and that's when i started going to cabinet meetings. i sat around the well, a lot of people don't know is that cabinet meets and they have staff around the room, but i sat by max cleland. he was in a wheelchair and he did not cabinet member anyway. he was head of veterans affairs

when i sat by him next to the door and i went every time i could that the cabinet met because it was i thought it was necessary for me to know what was going on and why the decisions made and so forth and so that i could explain to people in the country if, as i toured around rosalynn and carter, did you receive criticism for attending those meetings and for being the president's emissary? i don't think i ever received criticisms from the west wing. they knew how close we were and and how interested i was. but there was all kind of >> but there's all kind of criticism but you know, i learned why state senate, that's the hardest because you know everybody that criticized you. then you expect when you get to be governor and jimmy has been govan foror four years so to the

white house i knew it was necoming. i didn't like it. but you have to accept that attitude that what i did but i think -- i think you almost have to in life. but you have to know that what your husband does is what he thinks is the best possible thing for our country. and what i'm doing i think is them best possible thing for my country when state senate always gets so upset he sat me down and thinks if i i'm not doing the bt job i can do then worry about it and you have to accept that but also my feeling was if they didn't -- if they reported things in a way we didn't like it is because they didn't know it and ignorant about what was geng on and lots of time it is true if they know why you're doing it and so forth that's why and today was the style of vision no way to know

what's happening because it is talked about all day and the day and you get affordable care act so confused by the time we have our meeting. last week -- that we had people here really knew what was in the law which was so good for us. and then to have the -- regulation that was -- we found out day before came that she was going to announce final regulation which i was talking to and pastor lauren in 2008 and i had been talking to her about it she's a good friend. and governor, a good friend, and i've been talking to -- regulations -- and hands were tied by the white house because they didn't look -- but then for her to come here and as soon as ier heard it i started shaking but this was 33 years after i --

after i had wanted it, it was exciting. >> itxc was emotional. [laughter] >> was it possible to have a private life in the white house and did the white house feel like home?e? >> it felt like home to us almost immediately because we've all been campaigning all of our boys have beenpa campaigning, ad ve been campaigning,nd we were together. i mean for not all but two of our sons -- was there and we had meals together. we had to make a move that if you were not going to be there for me you have to check off a little thing to we knew who could be there, but almost every day sometimes i was not but most of the time i was there when she came home from school, and i had lessons, and took her to violin

classes and -- then as i said earlier jimmy and i would jog and if it was raining go to the boat and they knew like that, and so -- we had a fairly good family life. it was -- i think it was so precious to us because we've been gone traveling for two years. >> does the white house affect a marriage? >> i think it could. i don't -- i don't think it didn't affect ours because we've just been partners working together for so long. but because -- then i could see if the first lady was not particularly interested in different issues i think it would be very difficult but talked to me about all of

them and i think it happened that way more and more with first ladies because -- some of the early first ladies was there but then others they were not.rs >> when you look back at previous first ladies before you served -- who did you admire? who did you emulate? who did you learn from? >> well, the closest i had the closest early first lady that had knowledge of was lady bird. and she came to georgia and helped me with highway beautification program, and e just knew her and she -- main thing she told me and enjoy and enjoy because it wasn't going to last long and won't be there forever so enjoy it and she did help me a lot and, of course, everybody looked back at eleanor roosevelt who was quite wonderful.

and -- one person that had a big impact on my life was margaret when i decided that i was going to run -- work on mental health issues she came to georgia to see me and just we had to redevelop this really wonderful relationship and she wouldme give me advice d just several calendar for mental health -- anyway, and she just, she was just to meet her was just emotional for me. i would like to have met eleanor roosevelt -- >> your husband in 2010 published his white house diaries did youwh keep a diary r a journaldi during the white hoe years? >> i kept them at different times i didn't do very much in the beginning. but then i started having my secretary put spaces between events and i had a desk in my bedroom and i left it there and i would go to the event and what wasto happen and who was going o be there and i would start

writing notes about what happened at that event and i did that pretty regularly for a while. i -- really good diary about camp david it kept those notes all f the time. from the first day -- that was public. >> no -- [laughter] >> if and when will they be public? >> i don't't know how -- i went through them and edited them. i didn't edit anything. i struck out a few -- [laughter] >> why? >> might not work and know what i called some of them who are not -- [laughter] who are not corporating with jimmy. it was just my personal thoughts along with what was happening. i didn't sit in any of the meetings but i was there the wholeth time and as soon as i would come out of a meeting i would go see what was going on. its was incredible.

it was from the -- heights of excitement that was going to happen to the depth of despair it was and we didn't know we were going to be there 13ay days so the last few dayins i had to go into town. to do some of events for jimmy and some for me, and some that i had planned. and i got back one days and this was toward the end. and jimmy and hamilton jerry -- and jody powell staff people were in the swing through at camp david and they said -- they thought it was. and it was a bad evening. [laughter] but when jimmy left when i left on sunday the day they came back, jimmy said today or not we're just going to have it end it. it's not, and --

and we had -- we opened that white house, i mean, we had tbs did our events for a while, and remember who was there that had to come in. i had to come in and introduce the artist and got a call about halfway through it. i don't know. about halfway through the concert pep and jimmy told me they thought they had it and mrs. bacon was with me and didn't know for sure. but -- that was interesting. [laughter] and anyway when i came in that night that was -- helicopter landed it was dark -- dusk or dark i'm sure it was dark. and they came in and stand by the door of the blue room and came in and went straight to her and momma we've got to go down

in history for this. [laughter] it was really surreal. >> do you think maybe we'll see rosalynn carter camp david accords diary book some time? >> we might. there's actually i guess all right for me to tell this there's a man that's going to be in washington opening a theater in washington on camp david. in the next year i think. >> will you be there for it? >> i'll be there for it. pledgets another issue during your husband presidency that i wanted to talk to you about mrs. carter iranian hostage crisis. did you keep notes? what were your feelings throughout that whole crisis and how did that affect you as a person? >> it was awful. i look back -- had this -- just waiting for the press conference and iran to say what happened that day because we had

no idea what was going on. and the only way we knew what was going on was when they would come out and announce it. so it was just thinking about and thinking -- we met with the families all along. and thinking about the people who, whose family members were there and -- what it was doing to jimmy's presidency, and it was awful. it was awful. but i would go out, i would go out and campaign, i had found out earlier that i could when a president goes off he's surrounded but -- people he speaks to them he's a fellow and doesn't get close enough to people to have conversations, you know just normally like you would otherwise about -- hopes and dreams or what they -- thought about what i was doing or what jimmy was going or anything to help them -- known that earlier when jimmy

was during his presidency, and i would go out and everybody would say, tell the president to do something! and tell him he's got to do something. i would come home and say why don't you do something and he said what do you want me to do? it was a harbors which felt a lot of people weree talking abot he said and then have them bring out one person every day and public -- well maybe that is not the best thing to do. and it was, you know -- i wanted it over. and of course he did too everybody did. and people in the country every -- new tv program started, and nobody got over it at all. i mean, could get over it. just thinkt about it because it was out every day, every night. it was awful. >> i kept up with my, what i was doing. i never toed doing the things i was doing.

about the time four years were over how tired were you? >>er you know you lose the election in november. and got depressing, that was depressing for me. but then you're for january, the 20th and november, december, january, i wanted to go home. and then when i got home, i don't know that i was tired. i never -- i guess i was tired. but i just remember coming home boxes to the ceiling lived right on the edge of the woods, and we've been going ten years because jay was governor for the campaign too and -- so words would come up along my house. and things and we would agree to write books, and it was overwhelming. i actually didn't have time to really worry about it. and to really -- mourn it. i think i mourned it before i

left the white house, i used to walk around the white house and think -- there's my mental health of legislation and so much i think ii realized how important it is for our president to have a second term. jimmy carter wouldn't have changed anyway --te he would not have changed anything. >> in your book first lady from plains, written in 1984 you closed byin saying i would be ot on the campaign trail today if jimmy carter would run again. > all of the time right after he lost election i kept knowing he was going to run again. [laughter] yeah. i would have been there. uh-huh. >> you have a grandson who is announced for governor of georgia. >> i know i'm thrilled. >> will you be on the campaign trail? >> i'll do whatever he asks of me. graduatessed from duke universityiv went to peace corp. and went to law school. he's been in law firm now has

two turns state senators. >> roseline carter you've had 33 year post presidency longest in history. now -- and you and president carter have been very active. what do you think your legacy, first lady, as first lady is? or what would you like it to be? >> well i hope my legacy continues more than just first lady. because part might think i'm fighting disease and building hope. and i hope that i have contradicted mental health issue and helped the lives of people living with p mental illnesses t i also hope -- i mean, i have had great opportunities for so long now. and to go through africa and one

of the countries we have programs in 77 countries and go to africa two or three times a year. and to go to those villages and that -- things are coming to fruition working on all of these years like almost eradicated, to go to ame village where there's no longer guinea worm it is a celebration. i mean, one of the good things about the carter is we didn't give money to the government -- we sending people in to teach, to help people in the country how to do something and we work with the people in the villages. with and health department does toooo and we work with them and they do the work. i mean to just go to a village to explain to them about guinea worm if you can get the chief to prove that's what you have to do.' but if they see that hear about it from another country they're

so happy you're there -- but just to see to go back when it's gone from a village almost gone, and the hope give to them that -- most of the tile it is first thing they have ever seen that was successful and it's just so wonderful just to see the hope of something -- [crying] and mean to get emotional. >> here in atlanta for the carter center for this interview how muchh time do you spend in atlanta? how much time in plains? >> well we schedule one week a month a year ahead of time to be here. most of the time we have to come back more thanmo that and mental health conference i was here and yet this is my weekend this sweek myer weekend and we have o come back more than that. but we schedule that so we can plan our travel around it. and we travel almost too much.

this year i'll be -- interested to see how much we've been gone maybe not half -- but most of the time i guess most of the time it's -- i don't know it'si not half of the time most of the tile but getting pretty close. [laughter] it's -- only thing i mean like go to africa -- something so wonderful happens if you go and -- from the center and because everybody tell you one funny story we put global on our work and in africa because we found out if the heads of state get credit for what they do, i mean ifdy somebody has gets guinea wm for that village -- has a wheat crop has grown by three and producers have grown three times as much as they used

to. so -- they get so excited but heads of state does. my agriculture program, my -- so anyway but the word gets around carter and one we were in this village the former who had been f named a former of the ye. and we went to the village, and this might have been -- anyway in a village and they have plush chairs worn but really wonderful and seen whole village came and there was a little girl about halfway through -- saying they havero a sign up tht said go away guinea worm jimmy carter is, coming to word gets around and people know it. and so when they get to that village after -- i mean to all of the countries maybe -- the word is already around look and it is just --

it just because it works magic sometimes and it's -- it gives hope to people who have never had any hope of their lives ever being better. it'ser exciting. >> and finally rosalynn carter what's your advice to future first ladies or first husbands? >> uh-huh -- well in the first enjoy it which is what lady told me. but i think i have learned that you can do anything you want to and used to ask me what to be paid? if you could get paid then i have to do what first ladies supposed to do. but you canan do anything you wt to, and it is such a great -- it is such a great opportunity. so i would advise any first lady to do what you want to do if she wants to -- another thing is you're going

criticized no matter what you do i could have stayed -- poured tea had receptions, and i would have been criticized. as of as i was criticized outside -- and for what i did. but then i got a lot of criticism. butting you learn to live with it i found out earlier you live with it and expect it and live with it. but let it influence me, but i would just tell her -- also just enjoy it and do what you want to do, and at issue -- another firstno lady will have things that she wants to do because women changed in the past what women do now change from what they did when i grew up. i could be a secretary. teach a library and few things, but now women -- those women were active.

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