welcome back to the program. strategist for the group no labels. welcome to the program. >> reminded viewers how it got started and why. we've been around for 14 years andpe most of that time working in congress to bring leaders together on both sides to solve problems and we are still very active but we have a lot of attention

for 2024 which we might use■ to some critics labeled you as aal dark money groups. can you talk about the funding and why you don't disclose the donors? >> we've never released the names of the individual supporters and it's all individuals from across the country. in america when you are affiliated with a nonprofit organization, you have the right tofb privacy and i'm sure we wil get into this and a little bit. the people who want to shut dowt explicit that one of the ways they want to do that is to intimidate and bully.

they've been laying the field an independent unity presidential ticket. where does that effort stand now? >> the key to all of this we've been working on this for two years now. ross perot had only started his pallet because it's people with clipboards getting signatures. but he barely started itin all 0 states. we are active in 17 others and the final steps if there's a unity ticket there are some states that require you to have a name to candidate the

spokesperson has said you are looking at so sometime after sur tuesday to determine if we offer our lien and who would be on it. so what's happening? >> the big event for us this friday we are going to have our 800 delegates, our most dedicated citizen supporters from all 50 states across the country and they will be mti gag moderated by the former mayor who is one of our great volunteer leaders and they are m here. we only want to put forth the ticket if we feel like it could really win.

we have no irts so on friday thy will make their voice heard and let uw where they want to take us. >> in today's environment how could a candidate not be a spoiler? >> you've got to look at past elections. typically they don't get much traction so to think they could, you have to believe that this time is different, meaning we believe that and voters believe that. you can go down the■>■k l metrics but we've never been in a situation where both parties are this unpopular, where people are this pessimistic about the future of the country.

when we staed thinking there was an inkling of an opening for this it was two years ago but consistent questions over time were if it were trump and biden, would you be open to voting for that independent and at the wit, 59% said they would be open to vote for the ticket. why is that sop important? they don't have to get remember the electoral college is when. you give 100% of the votes. >> if you would like to join the conversation, you can doo. are , 202-748-8000, republicans,

202-748-8001 and independent, 202-748-8002. the next part is deciding who would be on it. he's declined, the former governor is going to be running forhe the senate. are you running or is there somebody you don't know about? >> there is plenty people don't. the last couple of months we are talking to several candidates that would serve on the ticket and those 800 come together this hifriday and decide they want to

keep the process going forward then we would escalate the discussions of the potential candidates and see about putting up a do you say about the number of people that voted in the democratic primary? does that tell you that there ye doing or is it also just sending a message on a particular issue? >> i don't know that i would characterize that particular phenomen lead indicator, but here's what i would say. of most of the electorate.hese at best even on a good year may be 25% with roots in the democratic or the republican presidential primaries and a lot ofic states don't even allow

independents to vote at all. it's where 70% of the public is saying they don't want a rematch. how can it be that of 77% of the country doesn't want it it looks like we are going to get it and the answer is the primary system, both parties in ways are exhibiting increasingly intense control over the process trying to shut labels, but voices within their own parties. you look at the democratic side but they wouldn't even let de phillips on the ballot in several states. for their part, the national committee was ready to shut down the whole primary after new hampshire. they had a resolution on the floor to declare donald trump the presumptive nominee into the

next 48 states needed to talk, so i think these primaries are becoming increasingly unrepresentative ofhe voters are and that's the biggest reason why we think there's an opening. >> let's talk tope the callers. deborah. >> caller: my comment is i look at the platform on your website and it's so vague to be unintelligible like we shouldn't respect the rights of women looking after societies with a responsibility to protect human life. what does that mean on the actual limit of abortion and several things about working with the leaders of the world and so forth. what is your position on ukraine and israel? you don't start with a party or candidate. you start with a find

somebody that embodies those ideas and thoughts when you have a problem >> last july they released a book called common sense and these ideas are based on the years worth of polling that did and we think you can fairly say this is where most of the public stands ane enough directe can understand that, but by design we didn't spell in all the details because that is pretty candidate to do. if there is a candidate they are the ones that have to land on the specific policy but to come

along and to be overly prescriptive before there's even a candidate and potentially handcuff but w■2hat yo will find when you look at this, you will see the direction■m sense of where the public is at. i know they were dismissive, but that is a representation of where the public's aunt. if you look at where the public is at, where they are really at his they want it available and there's only a very small fringe on either side of so there's about 15% of the voters who believe that it should be legal and another sliver that exists on the other side that think should never be accessible without any exception and in between that is everybody else who believess it should be

available but where in the spacedo they want to come down. >> how are you all today? your guest brought up spoilers and i was wondering why they don't have a runoff. we1% try to the choice voting. i think we need something because ross perot, they just changed the election absutthat'. thank you.

>> they are experimenting tore create more so of course california has got their top two primaries and other states are trying to do open primaries and some do have runoffs that isn't something that could have an impact on the 2024 eleio are stuck better or worse. >> independent, goodis morning. >> i believe that if you cannd % on the right and bring them to

thejx middle, they were moderats if left to their own devices. [inaudible] it's the battlefield. we need someone that's a moderate. you can win it is possible. >> go

>> he lays out the path. one ofhe things that has happened over the course of the last 30 years people tha think of themselvesof as political independence so when ross perot ran, the self identification was about a third democrat and themselves as independents and only 20% each think of themselves as democrat or republican's w on this. if you have an independent ticket this year and they pick up anywhere from a quarter to a third and a bit more than half of independent us you have a cot

and when you look at it that way it doesn't sound so in possible. >> we have a text from christopher in virginia.at do y, have you called her? >> we have not talked to governor haley or anybody from her campaign. she said recently that she is not interested in going down that path. so we are going to just stay focused on the process.kw another text fro stephen in massachusetts. why not run, why just presidents?

we have played a very active role in cultivating bipartisanship in the house and senatete for the grass roots support to we think are showing courageous leadership. in fact a couple of weeks ago we launched a high six-figure ad byto support the representative ryan fitzpatrick. they are trying to push forward a bipartisan solution to secure the border and get ada to the allies abroad.

unfortunately what has happened at the state level. it makes it difficult for either independents to participate in

primary. imarle the only election that matters the primary election is the only one that matters. it's a constitutional formality. we have to take a broad look as a■cat country. i want to thank you all for what you are doing.

they fight for the right thing and we need to get more people involved in the process and i will say this for the democratic party i used to be a democrat and they are not conservative, they are so far to the left it is sad andit we need prayer. that is the key to the nation. if people could determine things around. but independent, no and nikki haley has done a great job. we all need to unite together. of course they lost in the

primary. after everything is settled i went with a candidate because they didn't make it■:. his mother was a good christian and would go to the capital and i've been learning a lot ofat. history about l ouri country.

i am a 72, soon to be 73-year-old. i was borni and raised here ani think the constitution, they are going to come up with a third party they need t to change the constitution of the united states of america because we have different peopled the conse for all people. >> any comment? >> other than to say that is kind of the magic of the constitution is that it creates an opening for all of us to■z he these discussions and different ideas d of course it starts with the first amendment which is first for a.

whatever we think about the direction of the country and grateful to live here and i think well should be. we get frustrated with the way the system works. we are still lucky to be. >> from alabama mr. clancy please answer the question regarding who are the candidates under consideration by new label? i know you're not able to answer that so we are going to give yo■ this one. run on aboion because we forgotten about that. please if you have a candidate. >> people want to know what the ticket would run on. a common sense, it's actually named after the pianist thomas paine book that kicked off the american revolution. you can go on and download it or

buy it■h on amazon. it will give you a good sense of the kind of issues we think could animate the ticket in 2024. >> my question is how would of the third-party be able to bridge the gap that we seem to have between the two parties in the country? it was kind of devastating. this kind of gets at the work into the labels from the decade before we launched the effort. the idea would be if there were a unity ticket and it got to congress, that would have a problem solvers caucus that i talked about that has 60 members, a bipartisan group.

no labels also cultivated a strong group of senate analyze and so the idea is imagine if we had a president that every time we tackled an issue whether it's immigration, fiscal challenges or anything else that they try to solve that issue from the center out. e for years now is both parties start as far to the right or the left as they can as far as they need to go to get the vote to get a peaceful legislation overhe topauses of e division and why we never permanently solve anything and why one party passesny a piece f legislation and the other immediatelyat tries to set up ad undo it so the idea here is to have a ticket that governs differently than washington has been governed in a long time.

the chief strategist for no labels. thanks so much for joining us. let us know how it goes on your meeting on friday.

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