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>> good morning. committee on education workforce will come to order i note a quorum is present without objection the chair is authorized to call a racist at any time. [inaudible] i want the door shut. it is too noisy. okay. ernest hemingway's novel the sun also rises, two characters are discussing bankruptcy. how did you go bankrupt asked bill? two ways michael responds gradually then suddenly.

note three words better apply to the decline of post secondary iy education that has transpired gradually then suddenly to today's hearing over the course of years, decades even gradually nurtures the culture of radicalism in which auntie says and when grew and became tolerated by the administrators. the committee has been steadfast in its dedication attacking the roots of anti- somatic hatred. including anti- israel dei bureaucracies and questionable foreign funding. then suddenly, over the course of weeks, days even universities and burst into anti-semitic chaos. october 7 ignited a powder keg of pro chair campus a fervor. a shocking spectacle for the american public.

suddenly, the radicalized zealots found a cause and group they could grasp their hate onto. somehow juice it fit neatly into de eyes of prescient ritual. justifying anti-semitism. the following october 7, radicalized students have harassed, assaulted and intimidated their jewish peers. these anti-semitic protests have let hijacking buildings, erecting unlawful encampments, disrupting classrooms, canceling commencement said. they have been the principal agent of anti- jewish harassment and violence and it made an absolute mockery of so-called university leaders. that is why the committee has yet again calling for accountability from those in charge of universities. today, with michael of northwestern university doctor

gina block of ucla and doctor holloway of rutgers university. each of you should be ashamed of your decision select anti-semitic encampments to endangered jewish students. doctor holloway you should be doubly ashamed for capitulating the anti-semitic rule breakers. our job today's first and foremost to hold those who are supposed to be in charge to accounts. doctor gina block, you will testify to the horrific events that unfolded at ucla leading to 243 arrests. you cleared the encampment only after a violent riot erupted. for days you stood by while jews were assaulted at legal checkpoints blocked access to campus in broad daylight. your actions were too little too late. second the committee will highlight the concessions

universities doled out to rule breakers. doctor holloway you accepted eight of the 10 encampment demands including an egregious amnesty deal to rutgers students and faculty involved in the encampment. i would like to know what sort of a message you think that sends to your jewish students? you cut a disgraceful deal with the encampment that prompted seven jewish members of your own anti-semitism advisory committee to resign in protest. you and president holloway struck deals that guaranteed jobs at admissions to palestinians apparent violation of federal antidiscrimination law. i would like to know how you think york comply with the civil rights act? those who were in charge of universities who negotiate with pro- terror protesters are not doing their jobs.

taxpayer dollars have no business fighting universities without principles that align with the principles of our country for each of you refused to enforce your own rules, preserve campus safety and protect jewish students. finally, i want to make one thing clear the purpose of these hearings is not to enact right wing cancel culture as purported by the left. the purpose is to end anti-semitic violence and harassment on campus. hearings with presidents are meant to help guide postsecondary education policies going forward. that meets the needs respect the rights of all students. we will certainly keep your answers to our questions in mind as the committee conducts further business. with that i yield to the ranking member.

>> think you met them cherry thinker witness of for appearing today. there is no question that we could do more to combat anti-semitism not just on college campuses but everywhere. no one should be threatened, harassed or attacked because of who they are, who they worship. moreover students cannot learn if they feel unsafe. here we are for the fifth time in six month holding another hearing to complain about the problem of anti-semitism but no work is been done to find a meaningful solution to address animus on college campuses. certainly riles people up, it generates a lot of media coverage but does not solve anything. to the best of my knowledge only changes has resulted from these hearings is a handful of individuals have lost their jobs, schools have had to dedicate hours they could've spent working to combat discrimination on campus instead of responding to legal requests of law firms advising college

presidents who made a lot of money preparing their clients to testify in these hearings. in 2017 after white supremacy march the grounds of the university of virginia, chanting slogans such as jews will not replace as i wrote a letter to my republican colleagues asking for a hearing to discuss why the intentions and discrimination on college campuses. regrettably the committee did not hold any such hearings and we did not address the issue at the time. jewish students in fact all students have a right to attend college and freed from hostility and in compliance with title vi of the civil rights act of 1964. there is no excuse for anti-semitism on campus and everyone is entitled to a safe harbor. this is why we should ensure the department of education office of civil rights has the resources it needs to investigate where campuses are failing to protect against insight somatic acts or otherwise not protecting against

civil rights violations. i believe we should increase funding for that office in light of the increased number of complaints. last year at my republican colleagues called for 25% cut in funding for that office this would have been a significant impediment for the office of the department of education's efforts to investigate these issues. meanwhile dei programs try to bring people together being disparaged and eliminated. as i've said before hateful incidents at anti-semitism do not happen in isolation their byproduct of the century long history of white supremacy and anti-semitism. we cannot beat supply it hate speech on college campuses i will note again campuses are polarized as is our society. we have unfortunately seen a rise in incidents not only of anti-semitism but also islam a

phobia, racism, homophobia and other forms of hate. all of which need to be addressed. mr. lawrence's nose in his testimony today colleges and universities exist to examine complex issues, challenges and ideas to provide a forum in which issues and opinions can be explored and can be debated. freedom of inquiry and expression must include the right to protest. he also notes the limits of this expression are reach when actual threats or undue disruption of the university operations are involved. advocating for violence or harassment or disruption of the university operations. but students have the right to peacefully protest and express their opinions regardless of whether or not those opinions are politically unpopular or morally abhorrent. in public colleges and universities, two of which are hit with us here jack first met protects the popular and agreeable speech and speech

people couldn't reasonably disagree with including the sometimes hateful words. again painting with a broader brush the majority has attempted to remove any distinction between hate speech and genuine political processor like to remind everyone the civil rights movement i have years of past has opinion rather than waiting for change. today 81% of americans report a favorable opinion of doctor martin luther king jr. 1966 gallup survey newly two thirds added unfavorable opinion of doctor king. two years later after the aftermath of foot one third of americans felt he brought it on himself. in closing his members of congress of responsibility to hold ourselves to a higher standard be role models for our communities. by fueling culture wars which i believe these have done setting an example for others to feed

into and continue to escalate the tensions on college campuses to that end our students deserve more from us. they deserve thoughtful and deliberate conversation about the constitutional questions before us. that can lead to meaningful change i hope my colleagues will rise to that challenge. thank you madam turner yelled back. quick thinking mr. scott. pursuant to committees rule eight's the all who wish to have statement in the record may do so by getting them to the committee clerk electronically and microsoft word format by 5:00 p.m. 14 days after the date of this hearing. which is june 6, 2024 per without objection hearing record will remain open for 14 days to allow such statements and extraneous material referenced during the hearing be submitted for the official hearing record. i now turn to the introduction of our witnesses and it

recognized to introduce the first witness. >> thank you madam chair. michael schill is the 17th present he also serves as a professor of law at the northwestern school of law and professor of finance and real estate and the kellogg school of management. he previously spent seven years as a present of my alma mater, the university of oregon. he has also served deena professor of the law schools of university of chicago and ucla has also held tenured faculty positions at new york university and the university of pennsylvania. president schill found nyu firm center for real estate and urban policies which has become one of the nation's leading research centers on housing. welcome to the committee president schill. our second witnesses doctor jonathan holloway who is the president of rutgers university in new brunswick, new jersey.

our next witness mr. fredrick lawrenceth secretary and ceo of the phi beta kappa society located in washington d.c. doctor gina block who is the chancellor in california. we thank you for being here thtoday and look forward to your testimony. i will remind the witnesses we have read your written statements which will appear in full in the hearing record pursuant to committee rule 8d committee practice i ask you each limit your oral presentation to a five minute summary of your written statement. i also remind the witnesses to be aware of the responsibility to provide accurate information to the committee. i will first recognize president schill for five minutes. >> thank you chairman fox, ranking member scott and members

of the committee. thank you representative for that kind introduction. i agree with the committee that anti-semitism is rising on college campuses including our own. this it committee is also a right to be shining a light on these subjects for the american people. andag that anti-semitism on campus, our guiding principles of community safety and academic freedom. the encampment it self and our plans moving forward. first, our universities are on the front lines of the disturbing the spike in anti-semitism that accelerated following hamas horrific terrorist attack on october 7. across the country, the opener harassment and intimidation of jewish people on the streets than social media has also

infected our classrooms and our campuses. as a descendent and survivors raising anti-semitism in thean world affects and alarms me personally. i lost relatives in the holocaust. it is not abstract to meet the worlds population is not recovered to where it was before world war ii. the fact that israel is a tcherished homeland is not theoretical to me. it is were family members who survived the war found refuge. my family's history is a constant reminder to me of what can happen when anti-semitism is allowed to take root. where there is conduct that threatens the northwestern community, we must impose a discipline and have done so. yet, i will be the first to admit our existing rules and

policies are falling short. we must improve our processes to meet the current challenge. my direction we will be working over the summer to update our student conductt code. these new policies will be in place before students return to campus. we are confident we can continue to promote two principles at the core of our mission. free expression and academic thfreedom while disciplining harassment and intimidation. i want to take a moment to address the encampment at northwestern and the choices that wees made. on the morning of april 25 in encampment was erected on dearing meadow and iconic gathering space atip the centerf our campus. as i watched what was unfolding and that encampment across the country, i believe the danger imposed grew every day it stayed out. every day brought new reports of

intimidation and harassment. ander then on april 28 the day before the tent came down the threat of confrontation escalated with the edition of outsiders to the university. for the safety of our entire community i knew i had to act. we had three options to do so. the first option was letting the tent stay up indefinitely. we never seriously consider this option. they were a threat to our community. they were breaking our rules there is anti-semitic behavior that was making our jewish students feel unsafe. i knew we had to take down the encampment get it down quickly and permanently. second, sending in a student affairsst officers and northwestern police department to make arrests, that was the second option. this option ended up posing too high a risk to our students,

staff and police officers. they were limited law enforcement resources available to the university hit also created as we saw around the country escalation, renewed encampments. finally, talking with the students about leaving voluntarily. this is the path we took the encampment came down to just five days. we did not give into any of the protesters demand. the commitmentsts we made our consistent with our values importantly i reject student demand for divestment will not ever recommend northwestern use its resources for political purposes. by engaging students with dialogue instead of force we model the behavior we want to apply going forward. now going forward i want to make everyone of youou know i am personally committed to fighting anti-semitism. wes are going to reconstitute a task force that will benefit

from the information from other taskforces. d.we will revise our student co. we will enhance enforcement. we will increase our security we will do what we do best, teaching our students about the dangers of anti-semitism. i like to thank you all for listening and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you. not recognize president holloway for five minutes. >> chairwoman fox, ranking member scott, members of the committee. thank you for this opportunity my name is jonathan hollow in the present of rutgers university the state university of new jersey. job you understand me better i offer the following. my maternal grandfather was an early organizer of the colored ymca in atlanta served as president of livingston college in north carolina. his son, my grandfather was dean of education at bennett college in greensboro, north carolina before becoming the founding executive director of the united

negro college fund. [inaudible] quick short may start the paragraph of the beginning? cliques were left off. even closer okay. my grandfather dean of education at bennett college in greens, north carolina before becoming the founding executive director of united negro college fund. my father career officer in the air force was the first black person to teach at the air were college of montgomery, alabama. i showed this to make clear commitment to education providing access is in. i fully recognize the myriad ways in which my experience and that of our jewish community are different i know something but the awful impact of discrimination too. when a certain intern for the house ethics committee my father bought brought me too capitol hill my first day as we approach

the committee offices, he said when i was your age the only way someone who looked like us could cross the threshold is if you're pushing a food cart this is part of the reason this discussion matter so much to me. i tie with pride records both with the largest jewish population students in america i will take with conviction we condemn anti-semitism of the strongest terms possible. we do so today, we did so long before october 7 and we will always do so. records home to nearly 100,000 studentsts faculty and staff tae pride in being a public university. we conduct life-changing researching critical care educate tomorrow's leaders many first-generation college students many of them from low-income families. what is more records is known for its scholarly community one of only few dozen universities in america with the department of jewish studies. our center for the study of jewish life holds public lectures, trains teachers on holocaust education health records jewish film festival.

parkers is also home to the police and community resilience which is dedicated to protecting valuable communities that are facing anti-semitism or other forms of intolerance. the right curves houses both among the largest for education sit in the heart of our big ten campus in new brunswick. during my presidency we have developed a formalle partnership with tel aviv focused on faculty collaboration is part of that relationship researchers will have a presence of the health and life sciences center being built in new brunswick. we find ourselves here today because of the devastation of the hamas terrorist attacks of broad show. it's heartbreaking to think about the census and horrific violence of october 7, about the hostages still held captive by hamas. thousands of pulsating children killed in the war about the mention crisis in gaza it gets worse every day. at rutgers this word's been a tragedyin for jewish and pulsatg communities. many in our community searching for ways to curtail this have turned to activism protesters are that hate and fear

polarization focus on three essential priorities. to promote dialogue and education. i like to emphasize this last point dialogue and education. disciplining a person for breaking a rule is easy. it is much harder to build the trust requested and understand across difference. the battle against anti-semitism and bigotry in all of its forms must be raised with education. we began the semester with lectures and film •-middle-dot meeting discrimination with humanity. in new brunswick we establish an advisory council anti-semitism in jewish life. his life continues to pivotal jewish titles middle eastern and brought his really impel student students together in a classroom. not to convince her change of minds but to simply listen to each other. training and discussion are anti-semitism we partner the anti-defamation league for thest efforts. by submitting thel universities encampment take place on our campus that

lasted 72 hours, to disrupt exams we move quickly to shut the encampment down. we made a choice that choice was to engage on the students from dialogue as a first option said a police action. when seen what transpired with other universities sat at a different weight without compromising on my fundamental stance against investment we agreed to talk and to listen. if ever there is a time for dialogue and a focus on civil discourse it is now. we're in a highly polarized time where we are confronted by objectionable and offensive ideas. part of what universities do is help that members of our community navigate that reality so they become better, stronger, more resilient citizens. we do that by teaching people to be curious, to listen and to engage in civil discourse. finally, let me speak briefly to the records community. hope purge of the last several months i've heard your frustration at injustice in our world. the pain and suffering are desired to make records a

stronger community prefer that i want to say publicly thank you. we cannot give into the easy path of letting our differences become our divisions for the healing will take time and through our efforts that these efforts i mentioned earlier i am committed, we are committed to it. thank you and forge your questions. >> thank you president holloway. mr. lawrence i recognize you for five minutes and i ask you in advance to pull the mic close to you again we have very in adequate sound system right now. >> thank you madam chair. i like to think the committee for inviting me today to speak with you. here are my personal capacity to share my experience and thoughts is a former law school dean, a former university president and professor of higher education law. the past academic year is deeply challenge all stakeholders of our college and university

communities and our society atof large. images of campus protests and unrest won't long stay in our mind. it's precisely at times likeak these to hold fast to the principles that underlie the mission of american higher education. that form the bedrock of a flourishing democratic society and a vibrant culture. let me first emphasize students on campus is critical and it is essential. students cannot learn if they fear for their safety. no one is permitted and to threaten another. at a university is both entitled too and required to respond to violence or threats of violence. similarly students do not have a right to disrupt the operations of the university unduly. for example defacing, occupying or blocking entry to campus buildings is not protected expression or protest outside a

building would be. so, what should our universitiei do in these challenging times? when looking at any issues on campus, we always seem to keep in mind the fundamental goal of our colleges is the creation, discovery and sharing of knowledge. the intellectual challenges of campus life may come from many sources including protest. that is why colleges should begin by presuming expression, including protest to be nyprotected forms of freedom ana free inquiry. again the limits of the expression are reached when actual threats or undue disruption the university operations are involved. universities must treat all members of a campus community is weak come out they. there is no they were our students are concerned. we must encourage listening to each other. robust and learning.

schools to best when they seek dialogue across theological and differences between and among the members of the campus community. when they share a commitment to transparentbe decision-making. this approach is most successful when it draws on months, if not years of conversation and engagement. i do not only believe this to be true, i have seen it. i've had the opportunity to participate in the application of these principles on campus firsthand. including a recent free expression residency part of an ongoing campus engagement issues of expression, of community and dialogue. during this time i met with leaders to discuss their views on the israel palestine conflict and how it affected their lives. i should personal stories former colleague who suffered tragic

loss of his daughter andnd son-in-law when they were murdered on october 7. a former student born in gaza whose family confronts the humanitarian crisis there. the discussion was not easy. but i believe the students both spoke to and listened to each other. campus officials have told me these continue spirit of the goal of advancing difficult conversations even where there are strong feelings and disagreement about key fundamentals. colleges and universities exist to examine complex issues, challenges and ideas lord and can be debated. freedom of inquiry and expression must include the right to protest. as we seek productive paths forward is worth recognizing

this is not just a campus issue. we have seen increased polarization throughout the world so we should not be surprised when this happens as well on our college campuses. and when it does we have the opportunity to build on the critically important work of role modeling in teaching how to practice free speech. not just with people who share our views but also those with whom we disagree passionately but with whom we share a community. i think the committee and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you, chance what you are recognize her five minutes. >> good morning chairwoman foxx, ranking member scott, members of the committee. i am chairman at ucla, thank you for inviting me here today. let me start by affirming all forms of discrimination including anti-semitism and islam a phobia are identical to ucla's values and corrosive to

our culture. i wish i could say there campus is immune to the disturbing rise of anti-semitism since october 7. can say and will address today is how we have been confronting will continue to confront this challenge. last summer i announce my intent of these are my final months of chancellor of the cyst english institution. while ian am saddened by the recent turmoil on our campus i am also proud of our legacy university committed to the differing viewpoints. to a functioning democracy it we must be able to speak freely about the most consequential events of the day. subject to a dual legal mandate. amendment obligation to protect free speech on campus. the obligation under federal law

to protect students from discrimination and harassment. this imbalance is often difficult to achieve especially difficult since october 7. i am fully aware many of our jewish students have had to confront rhetoric images on campus if any reasonable person would find repugnant. trust me, i understand their pain. i have lived it myself. as a jewish kid growing up in the catskill region of your core holocaust survivors and victims. synagogue entrance for my children were called to thevi torah. with exaggerated facial features reminiscent of characters of jews during a nazi era. as we all know being an american's being asked to tell her as senseless and hateful

speech protected by our constitution. there are limits on the harassment of ourra community. ucla has a proud history of peaceful protests. before october 7 successfully navigated campus purchase using strategies recommended by the university of california. on april 25 as a result of the conflict spread across universities across the country protest sprang up at the center of our campus testing the limits of ourun approach. we are part of the university of california system. we follow it university of california policy guidelines that direct is 10 campuses to only use law enforcement to remove protesters when absolutely necessary to protect the physical safety of our community. accordingly the encampment remained. as the encampment grew to more than 500 protesters some of whom

are not even affiliated with ucla, disrupted normal access to some classes in april 28 i decided to remove the encampment after violence broke out between opposing demonstrators and i asked for security plans to do so. we gave the protesters written notice the encampment was unlawful on april 30 and instructed them to disperse. before the necessary police resources could be assembled moassailants attacked campus tht evening. tragically it took several hours before law enforcement could quell the violence. on may 1 but this court of reuniversity california presidet michael drake, we provide a protesters a final opportunity to leave. with more than tutor protesterse refused police orders, law enforcement remove the encasement that night. the benefitit of hindsight we should've been prepared to should been prepared to immediately move the encampment if and when the safety of our

community was put at risk. we have since taken decisive action accrued a new office of campus safety that reports directly to me ucla is a thorough examination of our sksecurity the university of california has engaged independent law enforcement experts in the confrontation. including our planning and safe and security protocols. finally, it will hold accountable all those engaged in violence or violated our policy. no student should be threatened or excluded based on their beliefs or identity. we will always have to strive hard tool meet this obligation e must also maintain our commitment to academic freedom and free speech. the balance is central to ucla educational mission. is not easy to strike a perfect balance but that must be our goal. thank you again i'm looking for to answer your questions. >> thank you chancellor. the committee rule nine will not

question the witnesses under the five minute rule. keep your questions the sinks of the witnesses will have time to answer and not ask a question within a few secondske left. i don't recognize myself for five minutes of questioning. this question is for all three of the presidents. all of your universities have been hotbeds of pervasive anti-semitism. please tell me how many students have your universities suspended? how many students have been expelled for anti-semitic conduct since october 7? question my knowledge no student has been expelled or suspended. we have ongoing investigations. there have been terminations of

staff. >> president holloway? >> we have ongoing investigations as a well i can report we have suspended for people and then 19 under others have experienced other levels of disciplinary consequences. >> chancellor? >> we have over 100 active investigations right now evaluating 100 case and since october 7 both anti-semitism and islam a phobia. >> very few students have received any kind of disciplinary action from your campuses? now president schill you said some staff have received disciplinary actions. so i'll ask all three of you the same question how many faculty and staff have you fired or suspended for anti-semitic conduct or conduct related to

the pro chair encampments since april 17? >> out doctor fox if i might just correct the premise of your question the fact we have not yet suspended or expelled the students does not mean students have not received discipline for there is a wide rangeur of discipline and discipline has been weeded out too many of thoe students. we have not yet suspended or expelled anyone. staff how many staff? oxygen on the precise number we have had staff terminations. >> was always staff? since april 17 is that correct? i do not know we have suspended anyone from staff at that time ihave ongoing disciplinary proceedings. >> chancellor? >> what's ongoing

disciplinary proceedings. >> okay but mr. hill in your deal with the self-proclaimed quote northwestern liberated zone you promise to establish a committee on investment responsibility. northwestern students for justice in palestine called this quote an important step toward our ultimate goal divestment from israel. would you make clear or not northwest and will categorically divestment or academic boycott of israel? >> clear i would never recommend to the board of trustees divestment ofll anything. or any academic boycott of israel. >> okay. whyy did you agree to create the perception that you would do so at which encourage other universities to cave on this? >> in that committee is a committee that preexisted we had that committee for several

years. we had already told the investment committee of the board of trustees that we would be committing starting the committee up again in september. that was done months before the encampment. so we were going to do that anyway. there is no intent, a son of a board committee that is an advisory committee it has faculty and to students and they are not necessarily from this group. >> okay thank you. chancellor block numerous videos showed jewish and other ucla studentsry being denied access o central parts of campus by encampment members to set up on authorized checkpoints. in some cases the students work question on whether they were zionist. why did you feel to it fail to y clear these checkpoints? >> i heard accounts, thank you

chairwoman but i heard accounts of students beingng blocked ande issued instructions to our staff to make sure all walkways were free the students could freely pass without obstruction. and i believe sent a memo out to the entire community on i believe april 30 instructing that was intolerable and we would not tolerate blocking of access parts of campus. >> did it stop as a result of what you said? >> i believe it did. >> thank you. i yield back. >> mr. courtney? >> thank you madamat chairwoman. thank you to all the witnesses for being here today. as mr. scott pointed out this is our fifth hearing on this topic which is perfectly legitimate and appropriate. i think it is also important to remember we are at article one branch of government whose job

it is to authorize and appropriate the u.s. department of education. the civil rights division of the department of education just reported in 2023 a record number of complaints for the department. if you go back to 2009, it has tripled in terms of the number of complaints a lot of those involved anti-semitism. the staffing level at the civil rights division back in 2009 is larger than it is today. and as mr. scott pointed out the budget the majority reported out last year from the appropriations committee for the civil rights division would have cut theirs budget by 25% whichi would characterize as theth equivalent of defunding anti-semitism police and again i think it's our job at some point of focus on the fact we need to beef up the ranks of that department whose mission is to investigatemm and curtail this

type of activity. madam chairwoman and like to yield the balance of my time to mr. norcross from new jersey. >> could i have an article admitted to the record in that report? which of that objection veryti quick thank you appreciate that. >> think it mr. courtney for yielding. presents great to see you again. for those who do not know rutgers is the flagship university in new jersey home to nearly 100,000 diverse students, faculty plus. second-highest jewish population close to 7000 students, 7000 muslim and arab. since october 7 there is no question the anti-semitic has increased at rutgers. we have the conversation year-over-year could be as high as 10 times what it was the year before. you and i have talked about this. in factt i called you at 6:00 a.m. in the morning when i

first heard about rutgers quote negotiating two and the encampment. and you picked up the phone. we have had that continuing conversation. i assume my life representing workers protesting. ifi know it quite well i'm a fim believer in the first amendment. but that being said as i know and many others, there are rules and all types of protest on college campuses no matter what the reason is. and i have participated in protest over my lifetime. when i cross the line i paid the consequences. what he went to dig in today is what are those lines? when were they crossed and how you reacteded how rutgers reactd specifically at the encampment at the new brunswick campus. "voorhees small. when did you first find out there was a protest at the mall

there? >> ligula the question,wa congressman. there is a protest that had been approved and are free speech on campus. i think that was a monday. and then the protesters, that's a legitimate area and the protesterst then move down to small they had a three block walk as you might recall and started setting up an encampment. i was learning about it as it was happening on that monday pick boxes or any communication with the participants as they started the encampment? >> committed and for me question what should you, rutgers, rutgers police, any communication or they just allowed? no, no, no. for any approve protesters a whole process people go through in order to register their space and how they want to proceed with student affairs professionals and university

police the and security. they were engaged with the activist from the very beginning and an ongoing way pickwick setting the stage this was the time of year most students do not look forward to, it is called finals. offices of the most difficult times over the participants advise the disruption of finals in this case or other activities will not be permitted? >> it was made clear we're going to allow the encampment and speech act in the spirit of first amendment free expression. but that encampment could not disrupt university processes. cannot bar people from entering buildings could not be disruptive in terms of excessive noise. >> i only have 10 seconds and i want miller to finish my line of questioning certainly we are going to continue on this timeframe so we can get a better

understanding. i yield back the balance of my time. >> thank you mr. norcross. mr. wahlberg you are recognized for five minutes. >> quickly thank you madam chairman. president schill here president's advisory command preventing anti-semitism and hate recently disbanded after seven jewish members of the committee, including its cochair and university trustee resigned in protest of yorick caving to the encampment's demands. you and your administration side the creation of this committee is proof you're working to counter anti-semitism. but three of faculty members you appointed had objected to the committee's very creation in a letter that downplayed anti-semitism defended the phrase from the river to the sea. at least two of them have supported efforts against israel. question, why did you believe is appropriate to appoint faculty members who have defended and made excuses for anti-semitism

oppressed and opposed the iscommittee's purported missionf combating anti-semitism? >> thank you for the question. number one i would like to address the premise of your question. the seven members who resign from the committee, resigned for two reasons. they were unable to reach consensus about what anti-semitism was because how could they reach consensus if you have people already having made clear statements there anti-semitic? they spoke of bds and spoke as the river to the sea is a good statement. >> and they resigns because they were not consulted with respect to the negotiations. >> let me ask you, will you commit to keeping off those type of members of a committee if you reconstitute this committee as you say you're going to do? >> i will be appointing to the task force that we are going to

create faculty, staff, administrators who i believe are committed to fighting anti-semitism and committed to fighting anti-semitism as i am. >> we will be watching. >> present with the advisory committee members, jessica has been a leader of academic boycott efforts against israel. she is also referred to and i quote zionist media condemned quote white liberal dialogue politics she signed a petition defending a palestinian terrorist who murdered two israeli college students in a bombing. do you acknowledge professor winokur as a grossly unfit for committee met to combat anti-semitism? >> i do not believe in bds movement. i am in print against it at my previous university.

i will not be discussing individual faculty members. >> a person like her? let's forget her name. a person with her principles will not be on this commission? >> i will be appointing people to the committee who are committed to fighting anti-semitism. >> your record is not that way. he also pointed the leader of lead ofnorthwestern middle eastn north african student association to the advisory committee despite the fact in the days after october 7 on the student association released a statement explicitly supporting the terrorist attacks saying this, and i quote, or he was out of the support palestinian resistance over 75 years of israeli state sanctioned violenceti calling the terrorist killed in the attack martyrs. do you agree to these comments are shocking and beyond pale? oxo not be commenting certainly

not commenting on any student with the student said progress in the great hearing there's no change going to take place at northwestern university relative to anti-semitism. how would you possibly appoint a student who supported the october seven the terrorist attack to a committee meant to combat anti-semitism? >> i'm not going to comment on the speech of our students or faculty or our staff. what i will say is, that committee was a committee that was not just anti-semitism. we tried to do something which actually turned out to be impossible because he saw that very clearly. let me just finish this i think we have heard your response at march the advisory committee hosted the university of michigan professor juan cole to speak on islamic phobia and anti- era and anti- palestinian biases. fine. this made numerous anti-semitic statementsrcrc including claimig

israel quote was found on a formal racial principle jews must rule the state. that quote, the only thing palisades and the sympathizer could do to make zionist happy is to bend over and allow themselves to be really screwed. what kindot of committee on anti-semitism invites an anti-semite like this to speak? and with that sadly i and my questioning i yield back. >> a gentleman yields back. you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair, thankk each of the witnesses once again i reiterate we must stand together against anti-semitism and do more to combat the harassment of jewish students. there has been an undeniable rise in hate speech including anti-semitism and islamic phobia on college campuses acrosses the country. although i realize that institutions continuing to schedule repetitive to check college presidents will not.

we need to work with experts on anti-semitism, legal scholars with expertise and people to help determine the government response can and should be to increase it anti-semitism and ad racial hostility and campuses. thank you for some articulating m.the value of higher education and why it is important to promote discussion and ways that respect free speech will keeping students safe. and others have expertise title vi issue ranking member scott representativeve courtney said n the office of civil rights with the resources that it needs across the aisle. i also want to brief that a cross out expressed concern on anti-semitism on college campuses. we do not see the same concern

when anti-semitic comments and tropes come from their side of the aisle. for example just a few days ago the truth of social account of donald trump included an outrageous video with nazi -like language about unified araya could predict any of my colleagues on this committee call that out and ask the candidate, most of them have endorsed for its removal? it baffles me some people are opposed to anti-semitism when it is politically convenient and set up whenever it rears its ugly head. i'm also concerned by any suggestion the first step to address protest should be to call police. it does not work in some cases and as both presidents noted often times many of the people protesting are not students further complicate the issue. at northwestern and a rutgers both reach agreements with student protesters to address campus safety concerns while recognizing free-speech. right. these agreements involved a shared learning environment that fosters the exchange of ideas between schools and school

administration. actions are directly my with the university's academic message and mission so president schill in your testimony you discuss a how you adjudge a fight three options to address the encampment at northwestern campus. you talked a little bit about why you made the decision that you did. and talk with the students was the best option but we'll explain how the final agreement youu reach with student protesters de-escalate activities on campus and how that works question what did the agreement address rights for protections for jewish was really students? >> thanke you congresswoman. we looked at this. what we were experiencing with the encampment was a huge increase in anti-semitic activity. we had things we had not seen before like complaints of anti-semitism jumped up. there is a sign of eight mogen david with a/on it put on during

gait. there is a picture of me with horns and blood as all of you know that's inside a semitic tropic.on we made a decision and it was making our jewish students deal unsafe. so we made a a decision those tents had to come down. those tents had to come down. we thought about bringing in the police as an option read thatop option turned out to not be possible to ensure safety. my number one objective in mandate, when parents give me their children or lend me their children i need to keep them safe and i am going to do everything i can to keep them safe bringing in police because of the size of our police force and resources would have endangered our police it would have endangeredd our students ad it would have endangered our student affairs. so then we made the decision to talk to our students to model the behavior that we want to be

engaged in the dialogue rather than force. we had a de-escalation for the tents came down right after the agreement was struck. the entire protest is now in conformity with university rules. we also -- there was nothing in that agreement, it just to be responsive to your full question that specifically addressed the interest of jewish students other than getting rid ofno that encampment. which was making our jewish students feel unsafe. they could not walk during a meadow they cannot pass it during a meadow they were worried about the outsiders on our campus. and we were worried about the outsiders on the threat they entailed for our students. d not meadow. they were worried about the outsiders on our campus, and we were worried about the threat that they entailed for our students.

>> of the adl is that correct? >> i have great respect for the adl --doed >> i'm not asking your respect. i'm asking is a fact that you are a team effort and they called for your resignation? >> i have a great respect for the adl. i'm sad that they gave northwestern he an f. >> but it's true. moving on let me tell you why you learned an f. i want to discuss that has been referred to as the during that it was agreement. you are a unilateral capitulation to the pro- hamas anti-israel anti-semitic encampment. but let's talk about what has occurred on this encampment. isn't it true that the jewish northwestern student was assaulted?

>> so, i want to question the premise of your question. >> i'm asking the question, yout answering. >> i'm asking the question you are required to answer. isn't it true the jewish northwestern student was assaulted? >> there are allegations a jewish student was assaulted and we are investigating those allegations. >> isn't it'st true a jewish student was verbally harassed and stocked? >> there are allegations of that soared and we are investigating them. >> isn't it true a jewish student wearing a yarmulke was stomped on? >> all ofut these are allegatios being investigated. >> how long are these investigations going to occur? >> if you remember the encampment was just a few weeks ago, so we believe that northwestern in due process we believe in investigations. we believe -- >> when are the investigations going to be finalized? >> i'm not going to be able to tell you that. they will bee finalized when the

conduct office and the title vi office,st which are well on this issue -- >> this is what you've earned an f. isn't it true a jewish student was told to go back to germany and get gassed? >> i've heard that alleged. again it is being investigated. we will investigate any claim of dissemination -- >> butan it is a fact you said that there've been zero suspensions, zero expulsions. >> so far. with lots of investigations on their way. >> you said to something that was very important. you said we did not given to demand, but the commitments we made, as a part of the during meadows agreement, you said the word commitment. let me talk about those commitments. one of those was funding to visiting palestinian faculty for two years; is that true? >> this is part of a program that we have had. we've used it with afghanistan, ukraine -- >> that isn't it true, i'm

asking you? the other is you will fund the full cost for five palestinian undergrads. >> that is also part of the program sponsored by the buffett institute. it is not a new program. it exists -- >> it was announced as part of the during meadows agreement is that correct? >> it wasst the goal set forth n the during meadows agreement. it would also -- >> who was consulted when you andri barked on the agreement? was the president's advisory committee on preventing hate consulted? >> not in the purview of the anti-semitism. >> was northwestern trustees consulted? >> the chair of the board was consulted. >> did not the entire board of trustees. over 120 members. >> isn't a de facto members of the board of trustees express dissatisfaction with your failure to consult them?

>> there've been members of the board of trustees that express the satisfaction that they were not part of the decision-making. >> did you consult with the general counsel of northwestern oran outside counsel on the during meadows agreement before it was agreed to? >> yes. >> are you aware that board members asked you this question and you said that you had not? >> the general counsel of the university was part of my team managing this problem. >> did you consult with two members of the advisory committees i referenced previously the anti-israel professor jessica and the kellogg professor, really consulted on the agreement? >> i consulted with several members including them but also including the director and at the chair -- >> let's talk about the director consultation isn't it true that you asked the director --

>> i did not. i would never hire anyone based upon their views of being zionist or anti-zionist. that is not what i do. >> that's not according to the whistleblowers that have come forward to the committee. >> i can assure you many people have spoken to this committee. >> thank you. >> you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair and to the witnesses for being here today. i will begin with a few questions for the current presidency and if you would please answer with yes or no, my first question should colleges and universities be places where the right to be -- right to free speech and free exchange is protected?

>> yes. chancellor? at theac same time do colleges d universities have an obligation to keep students safe from harm and ensure that they are able to study and attain class? >> absolutely. >> yes sir. >> yes sir. >> have your schools taken substantial steps to eliminate discrimination including anti-semitism is defined by title vi? >> yes, but we need to do more. we are always a work in progress committed. >> we made progress. we have programs and we need to do more. >> the university of california riverside which is in my district was the first school in the system to reach a peaceful resolution with student protesters. students had set up in encampment on monday, april 29. the following negotiations between the college administration and leadership of

the protests the encampment was dissolved peacefully within a week without a single rest. chancellor announced the term of the agreement in a letter to the community. classes and final exams continued and the commencement ceremony will be in just a couple of days. my university's leading by example but my republican colleagues are characterizing any agreement made between the university administrators and student protesters as, quote unquote, conceding to the mob. mr. lawrence, in your experience as the former president of brandeis university, what are the hazards of immediately punishing campus protesters rather than opening the dialogue between administrators and students? >> thank you for the question, congressman. there are two main concerns. one,el we always have to remembr that even in these tense moments on campuses, we are an interested institution, we are educators, so the goal is to engage as a part of the

education process of all of the issues that are involved. second, and regarding safety, we are always looking to try to find ways to de-escalate conflict to the extent possible. i understand sometimes that is most going to be possible and sometimes there are consequences that have to be pursued down the road, but you don't start that way. you start trying to de-escalate and in my experience reaching out to the students to all the stakeholders to try to build a dialog first with of the administration and the students and then among and between the students is the best way to reduce conflict. >> so, was the encampment dismantled peacefully? >> yesth it was. >> were there any arrests? >> there were no arrests needed. >> was the rutgers campus dismantled peacefully? >> yes. >> were there any arrests? and did the agreement northwestern came to with the students commented that a remove

any rights or protections for nothe students? >> no, it actually gave them of the ability to feel safe on campus because it was no longer there. did they remove any rights or protections for those students? diminish ino protection for the students. >> and looking at the ucr agreement, i do not see that any rights were abridged or removed for jewish or israeli students. chancellor, ucla is a contrast to what happened at rutgers and northwestern. it's exploded into an incident that lasted several days and led to arrests of many, may be hundreds of arrests and put students in the hospital. in hindsight, do you, could you or your administration have done anything differently to prevent things? sometimes it isn't possible but

in hindsight might there have been another approach? >> thank you for the question. we will always review the incidents to see whether there was another pathway. we tried hard to find it offramp where they could leave the encampment. safety became an issue for the whole community and we had to ask all the encampment members to leave the encampment. >> can you tell me how much time was actually spent negotiating with of the students or dialogue, is that possible? >> an attempt was made individually the vice chancellor sat in the encampment and discussed the potential solutions and was not successful. it was unfortunately not successful. >> i yield back. >> mr. allen you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chair and

first, i'd likee to ask each one of you the answers of the day is "under investigation." what are these students are doingwhile they are being investigated? still attending classes, demonstrating, are they still involved in this intolerable behavior on campus? real quickly, are they dismissed from the university until the investigation is complete? tell me what's going on there. >> i can't say for specific students what they are doing but we are still in session. >> still attending classes and we don't know if they are still involved in protests and everything else. what about your university? >> we had a very successful andd quiet commencement two weeks ago

and students under disciplinary review are not on our campus. >> doctor holloway, what are you doing for those students that are under investigation? >> is that for me? >> i can see the camera. that block. >> during this time students were still attendingng classes. there is no encampment and no demonstrations that are problematic. >> section 185 allows outlaws to evade identification and committing a public offense. why do you not to ban the wearing of masks in your campus in accordance with california law? >> we still apparently are allowed to wear masks for covid protection and students continue to wear them. >> y a medical mask. these are not medical masks.

>> so, you're allowing this behavior. >> we've allowed masks: campus. during the time of covid we allowed medical masks and we've continued continued that. you said discipline has been weeded out. how? >> it's run the gamut that is thewi discipline that's already completed.ne from meetings with student affairs at the lowest level of severity up to disciplinary probation which means there is another offense students will be expelled or suspended. >> and you testifiedve when i asked about the agreement with the visiting palestinian faculty members isn't it true the

university committed as a part of the agreement? >> i did not commit to -- i don't know who told you that. >> i'm reading it from the statement put out by the university that says the university commits to sustain the program beyond the current commitment. i am reading your words put out by your office. >> that is a program that is not just about the middle east. it's a program that is about the war-torn areas all acrossre this world. >> isn't it a fact that that was part of the agreement to increase the commitment to that? >> i don't think the agreement increased -- >> it did. you put this out from your office. quote the university commits to sustain theit program beyond the current commitment. is that no longer a part of the agreement? >> when i hear beyond -- >> i'm reading but your office

put out. >> are you asking me to interpret -- >> what does beyond this mean? >> beyond the current commitment the rest of the world and over time. >> that is specifically focused on thehe palestinian faculty members. >> but we are also going to be including israeli faculty members. >> why didn't you include the israeli faculty members when you put out the agreement? >> because the agreement, which i never called it that but the agreement was a framework of an agreement reached with students at 4:00 in the morning. if you would like to see the entire program, go on the website and that will explain it to you and you will see -- >> i'm asking there is no mention of israeli students or faculty isn't that the case?

>> in the agreement that we reached, there were not israeli students there. >> because they were not consulted. the students were not consulted. >> jewish and israeli students were not consulted. >> exactly. i yield back. >> -- with all due respect. >> thank you madam chairwoman. to pick up where we left off, we were talking about the end encampment's beginning protests. what were those lines, when were

they crossed and how did you react? to bring back context and certainly understanding that since that time quite frankly the union professors but one of the issues that comes up and it's brought to my attention when the students became, they begin to issue finals which right in the middle of finals forru an emergency protest at 7 a.m. the second. so, obviously this is a heightened peaceful protest for something that's going to interfere with the ability of students to either attend or feel threatened. why didn't you order an immediate removal of the encampments once you learned that the participants were going

to try to disrupt the finals? >> thank you for the question. on the day of i woke up probably around 6:15e and that is when i discovered the post that you are referencing. within minutes i wasab in touch with my leadership team and i would say roughly by 6:30 we were all on resume talking about the situation. it was at that time i said the encampment had to go down. it was a violation across the line to use your language. a violation. and we decided to take the encampmentid down. in order to do so and talking with of the chief of police at rutgers, the process would take a few to ensure that it could be done safely. >> i assume this was the rutgers chief of police did you consult with your board of governors or lawyers that you have on staff?

>> the general counsel in the group that i was referencing, the chief of police was dialed in at all times engaged with him directly. the board of governors with the chair and vice chair not at 6:30 in the morning but a reasonable hour to give them a heads up as to what was happening. >> but isth this when then the negotiations started with of the protesters? >> it discovered that they had sent a list i think on tuesday. this is thursday that i'm talking about, sent a list on thursday and chancellor that runs the camp on a daily basis should he and my chief of staff talked with the representative students on wednesday and this is the day before the finals began and of the agreement was made of then we would be happy

to talk with you but the encampment cannot be discussed were raising noise that has to be silenced because we have exams tomorrow. if they agreed to that and then we discovered that if they had broken that agreement. >> so the negotiations were taking place while the encampment was still there is that correct? >> i will call it the agreement that was reached with of the protesters after that why did it take so long to remove the encampment even after the deal was done? >> the students asked for another meeting on thursday morning. that's when they learned i had already given the order to take the encampment down and they had hoped that we could have further

conversation on different points. if you want to talk you have to agree to have the encampment down. we extended the time i did 4:00 and that was a matter of public safety in talking with regular engagement with of the attorney general and state of new jersey when we send out a request for mutual aid they needed more time to make sure there were proper police. we had 125 police ready to go by early afternoon. >> i think i heard you say you spoke with of the attorney general. >> yes sir. >> and why was he brought into this? >> as i discovered i did not know it at the time when the police asked for mutual aid in the state of new jersey and asked for more assistance, that request we did with the attorney general's office. >> and what was his reaction or suggestion that you take it down immediately, wade?

i want to be respectful to the witnesses answering questions. if i had the gavel, no more questions, okay? thank you. >> have you had any conversations leaving the big ten conference? >> no consideration. we are proud of our football team and proud of being charter members. >> remaining in the big ten conference. >> we are committed to remaining

in the conference. >> last yearar you fired of the popular football coach fitzgerald after allegations of hazing ine the locker room you hired a law firm and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to dore that. that came back with a recommendation to give a two-week suspension of a football coach because there was no credible evidence that he was aware at all of the harassment or the hazing allegations. youe issued that two-week suspension, correct? >> as you know the former coach is suing us and you're asking for facts and your promise is inaccurate. >> don't accuse me of that. let me get to my point. >> i think your performance year has been very embarrassing to your school. you come after 72 hours you gave

a two-week suspension. then you received a lot of backlash from the left-wing mob including a letter from six professors who attacked uganda said that wasn't good enough. by the way three of the professors would also they attacked you later for the committee on anti-semitism and hate and you responded to that left-wing backlash as well so the new fire to the popular football coach, 72 hours later after you originally gave a two-week suspension. and here's what is relevant, mr. you said that the decision to originally suspend the coach was mine and mine alone as is the decision to part ways with him. so is your decision your decision alone? let me ask about steven thrasher who is one of the goons in the photo behind me, professional professor of journalism. he and several of your faculty member's locked arms and scuffled with police officers, blocked the police officers on

your campus from doing their job. do they continue to teach students at northwestern university after this embarrassing incident? >> so, i will not comment on individual faculty members order matters -- >> your decisionst to allow the professors to continue to teach students on the campus? >> we believe in due process at northwestern university. >> into the decision that you made about coach fitzgerald. >> we followednt the contract. we had an investigation, but i'm not going to go on and on about that. >> is it okay to scuffled with police officers to lock arms and present policein officers from doing their job you said in the opening statements that this encampment was responsible for anti-semitic behavior that made jewish students feel unsafe to go to class. isat it okay for faculty member,

is it okay do they get away with that at northwestern university? >> i'm not going to comment on ongoing investigations -- >> the faculty members continue to have a job. by the way a professional prognosticator in fact he went to columbia university to participate in their encampment and you pay his bills. you are responsible for steven thrasher's activities, which is crazy. let me ask you this. is hamas a terrorist organization? >> everything i know suggested that hamas is a terrorist organization. >> is it okay for professors or faculty members at northwestern to praise hamas? >> hamas, by the way, responsible for the attacks on october 7 that killed over a thousand jews and israelis on

the terrible dark day in israel. is it okay for your faculty members to praise hamas and who >> professors and faculty members have all of the rights of free speech. >> these statements for the record, faculty members thatyo have praised hamas and by the way is it okay for faculty members, teachers to tell the students to go to the encampment or coerce them and push them towards the type of political behavior to go participate and lock arms with the encampments to maybe make them feel like that's something they should participate with? >> may i answer? >> you may answer. >> thank you. our faculty members -- no one at

our school may engage in discriminatory, harassing or intimidating behavior. >> the time has expired. without objection, your material will be submitted for the record. you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair. free speech and right to protest are foundational to the democracy and upholding these without allowing them to be weapons of hate is no easy task. nowhere is it more difficult than on college campuses. places that help students to think, to engage, to broaden their mindset and express their ideas without violence or intimidation. anti-semitism, islamic phobia, hate, lgbtq ia hate and indeed

all forms of hatred have no place in our society including on college campuses. the history of protest on college campuses is mirrored in today's history. allowing your campuses to remain as communities of free debate is your responsibility so instead of using the hearings for political bullying purposes which is what the majority seem to do and if you want to be embarrassed about something perhaps be embarrassed the majoritygs has in not been ableo govern and this cycle without being saved by democrats. i for one am interested in hearing andrr learning about wht a successful negotiation de-escalation looks like in the context of protecting students and free speech. i'm a proud graduate from the kellogg school at northwestern university and many of my

courses were about negotiation and mediation and your described presence is between a rock and a hard place in a recent op-ed. i agree with your comments on the need to file the scourge of anti-semitism on the campuses and everywhere and your own lived experience and work to do that. you didn't mention other forms of hate that have also arisen against palestinian, arab and muslim students onyo your campu. do you have the same level of commitment against those students and can you tell me what efforts you are taking to address safety concerns for those communities? >> absolutely. any form of hate and discrimination or harassment based upon title vi or other rules at the university we will investigate any complaint and

we've gotten complaints that sound islamic phobia and we will them and protect all of our students whether on campus or off campus, and we will connect and communicate. i have a dinner for 45 jewish kids and asked about what they needed. i had a dinner for islamic students and asked what they needed. these are all of our students. everyone is part of our community. i own an obligation. my number one obligation is public safety and is there safety because if you don't feel safe, you cannot learn and that's what northwestern does better than any other university as you know because you are an alumni. it teaches and does research and creates an environment for

learning you were successful in ending your colleges encampment by peacefully negotiating did you have anything you wanted to add about what you are considering as you decided to take the course of negotiation? >> we had to get the encampment down. the police solution wasn't going to be available to us to keep people safe but also may not be the wise solution as we see some other universities around the country. so, we found and we were fortunate to have students who were willing to negotiate and give up their demand that they came to us for. the number one demand was divestment. we said no.

then what will make the university stronger, but will be important forsa your community d then we came to this agreement over time of hearing what their needs are. i would listen to the needs of any community and i have to say most of these things we've already been in communication with our muslim students. for example, the house for muslim students and being a student, that was already in conversation for a year but they had no place to pray or eat or celebrate ramadan. so that was something that we accord to our students. we want to meet the needs of the students where they are and that is where the agreement ended up being.

>> in a peaceful resolution and protecting all students. thank you. >> as a nation it was not available we are seeing that on the college campuses. what i think we were looking for was strength, fairness to all including our jewish students, was demand the recognition that hatred cannot be negotiated with. i'm trying to understand how we have negotiations and byre the way, would you have the same patience and a strategy if these were kkk white supremacists that

we tried -- would you have the same patience for that? >> thank you for the question. i'm not going to engage in hypotheticals like that. >> this is how you deal with hatred. i am trying to give you a kind of understanding that if it was black students against the kkk instead of pro- hamas, would you deal with them in the same way that you dealt with of these students? so the answer is no, okay. let's move on. you decided to negotiate a sweetheart deal with pro- hamas students and professors. i look at that is pure evil. how much money has northwestern university received from sources including the entities at the foundation? >> the amount that we have received from the foundation to

fund the campus all of the resources that we've gotten -- >> i only have about three minutes left. let's say between -- gone to thelar has creation off the campus. >> we would like transparent accounting of how much is coming fromom this. this harbors the leaders of hamas and gives the organization about $1.8 billion or are you aware of that? >> they are harboring those leaders. 1.8 billion has been given. are you aware that they have

given $1.8 billion toe hamas? are you aware the iranian officials travel in and out to meet with hamas? >> this is not in my area of expertise. >> do you think it would be a good idea for the university of northwestern to partner with a government that harbors terrorist hamas and iranian operatives? yes oror no? >> i'm not going to engage in yes or no answers. >> you don't have a problem with that. northwestern the school of journalism -- partnership with the media outlet, did you know that? did you know that the northwestern school of journalism has a partnership with al-jazeera? >> i just found out about that last week.

>> al-jazeera because of the reporting the secretary of state asked the pre- minister to tone down the anti-israel. also israel, saudi arabia, jordan and egypt that blocked. my understanding is you have a contract with a foundation that expires at the end of 27, 28 which now that you know, about, would you be willing to still do that contract? >> the review is being done by the provost office. knowing that the mouthpiece for hamas, in that partnership the

decision with respect to the campuses, ultimately the board of trustees and i actually am concerned by the agreement you're talking about and we are going to look into it. >> this is an issue i'm thankful for pulling the curtain back because we have gone alk long te and want to make sure we keep up withd this thinking and i will yield back. >> your time is expired. thank you,no madam chair and thk you to the witnesses for being here today. clearly none of you were prepared for what happened on your campuses after october 7th. i've spoken with jewish students, faculty members, alumni who've described countless horrifying and relentless incidents of harassment, intimidation, use of jewish tropes, putting up of leafletsbe and tearing down of hostage posters.

the isolation of the student groups, jewish students however, forcing them to leave unofficial student groups from student government to dance troops the students were unable to get to class and upgraded to go to the dining rooms. they could not to study. they had classes and exams canceled. what has been described to me has been nothing short of the normalization of anti-semitism on your campuses. but this normalization of the anti-semitism did not start on october 7th. it predated that date by many years and it reflects a failure to take anti-semitism seriously. a failure to treat anti-semitism the same way that you would treat any other kind of discrimination. it has been fostered by years of teaching a one-sided anti-israel

view by many of your professors and by a demonization of zionism which is the centuries-old quest by the jewish people to return to their ancestral homeland and control their own destiny. why hasn't northwestern taken serious steps to address the normalization of anti-semitism and anti-zionist teachings on your campus long before october 7? >> thank you for the question, congresswoman. i believe we are taking steps and i believe you are absolutely right. none of us were prepared for what we saw after october 7th. you have my commitment that we will do whatever is necessary to combat anti-semitism but we will also do what is necessary to

educate our students in the evils of anti-semitism as well as the roots of anti-semitism. >> and it is a shame that this disaster a broad recognition that that kind of education is necessary. i know you had an anti-semitism task force that had no experts on anti-semitism on the task force. will you commit to putting together a task force that has efforts on anti-semitism? >> we did have a faculty member who was a consultant to the holocaust museum so we did have someone on the committee. we will definitely have people who are knowledgeable and who are aware. >> willd you commit to training not just students but faculty members on what anti-semitism is and the dangers that it presents not just to jewish students but the foundation of our democracy? >> i believe that is a good

idea. >> same question for you. >> we admit that this is a challenge. >> i have e-mails dating back to 2014 from a dedicated alumni who tried to alert you on the growing problem of anti-semitism that was going on your campus. >> we tried to respond with education developing and online training module the partner on anti-semitism. >> are all of your students required to take anti-semitism training? >> they are not required -- the antidiscrimination module is recommended for all with approximately 90% taking online training. it's talked about in orientation.se >> does that include anti-semitism training? >> anti-semitism discussion. and a -- >> you think itim needs more? >> i would agree. >> to the faculty need to take that anti-semitism training?

>> i would agree. >> i've been at college in my district, so i understand your roots. >> there's a lot inon the beginning that we are living in an age of heightened just nomination and anti-semitism absolutely in the campuses and they are no different than the rest of the country and any expression of it i think is horrible. but i also want to say as we address every instance that is brought to our attention of the discriminatory behavior including anti-semitism. my time is expired. ian yield back. >> you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank yough madam chair. the new campus hosts a think

tank for c.s. rr. in the past week, astonishingly it is 50% funded by the chancellor's discretionary budget and at the $213,000 salary paid for by the university. in the past week again a so-called think tank called the center for security race and rights has exposed its anti-semitic agenda and a post called israel's government's genocidal. do you think that the government is genocidal? >> i don't have an opinion in terms of -- to make you don't have an opinion as to whether it is genocidal? >> i think israel has the right to exist and protect it to solve. i think they have the right to exist and protect itself. >> but you will not say that it

is not genocidal? >> i believe in the governments right -- >> you can't be surprised by the topic of the discussion today andan that it's not genocidal that's interesting. on another post said the administration's shift is a gain that can and must be built on manning the administration's betrayal. another post from the center side of the threat comes not from students but from republicans shouting about anti-semitism the loudest. by the discretionary budget a $232,000 salary do you agree they are a threat? the statements that you are reading i find it deeply troubling and unsettling. >> yesec or no do you think that the republicans are a threat to american jews? >> i'm not in the position to

answer that question. >> are you in the position to answer any questions? >> on the subject at hand today? do you think that the political advocacy use and appropriate use of taxpayer dollars by the university like rutgers? >> i think we have to abide by the first amendment and be -- >> should rutgers fund anti-israel advocacy? >> we shouldn't be funding the advocacy, no. >> they sponsored an event from the speaker convicted in 2006 for material support of a terrorist group the palestinian islamic jihad. he pled guilty to several charges. the event was designed to so-called challenge the narrative surrounding 9/11 and how it supposedly legitimized the war on terror and other

interventions. i should go to 750 new jerseyans died on 9/11. do you think it is acceptable for the state university to sponsor an event about 9/11 with a speech by the conspirator? >> i've learned about that person's involvement. i don't support that person's ideas in the least. i think they are wildly offensive. i also, i will stop there. >> did you ask if i would prevent that from happening? >> again, do you think it is okay for the new jersey state university to sponsor an event with a speech by convicted -- you said no you don't think so. >> that'swo correct. >> you were president at the time. >> we have 100,000 people. things were happening every day at the campus that i am not aware of at any given moment.

>> theme director has made numerous statements again with of the rutgers funded salary. she signed a statement condemning the racial supremacy of jewish zionist nationals saying that they are more privileged than muslims and delegitimizing both israel and the u.s. as, quote, racist settler colonial states. given that statement in the centers anti-semitic activities, do you think it is appropriate they continue to fund this office and pay the salary, is that okay, is that cool with you and rutgers? >> there's very little that i find easy about the center. i disagree deeply with the ideas that come from that center. >> i have no plans to close the center. >> i'm not surprised.

>> you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chair. president holloway as an incidental matter because the ranking member of the house ethics committee, i want to thank you for your early service to that committee. i hope it was a valuable experience for you. while i understand the free speech is a critical tenet of our democracy, i think we all agree on that, i do worry about whether the campus protests we have seen this year veer into hate speech. thankfully the protests on the campuses in my district, pennsylvania seven, which hosts a number of wonderful schools likely how the university and lafayette college and so forth, the protests have been peaceful and respectful and deeply appreciative of the students for that.

let me also say that i commend the restraint shown by some of you not creating a police state on your campuses. there is a fine line between law and order and of the oppression of the right to protest and that is a fine line and i appreciate what you had here. as the jewish mother of young adults i have to say that i am deeply saddened and dismayed by the increasing evidence of anti-semitism across the country and around the world. and as much as i truly believe that college is a place where young people learn to think critically, i also have some concerns about whether students are getting enough guidance on this issue from administrations. so, i want to start seven members of your advisory committee on preventing anti-semitism and hate resigned after the university brokered an agreement with encampment

organizers and a follow-up statement the university claims the committee's charge and its work remain an incredibly important to the committee and importance to protecting jewish students, faculty and staff is unwavering. my question is why did northwestern fail to consult the committee before yielding to the demands of the protesters? >> that was never in the purview ofof the committee. the committee was designed to assess the extent of the anti-semitism on campus and then to propose educational and other deal with it. it wasn't to deal with an existing encampment. and quite honestly, there were i believe 16 or 17 members most of whom didn't have expertise in this area. there is a limit to how many people one can consult when one is talkingmo to students. >> i understand that is a

limitation on time and that kind of thing but it seems to me you had a ready-made committee that could have been asked to weigh in on the same obviously seven of the members of the committee felt the same because they stepped down. have you taken steps to replace the faculty and staff members? >> we are going to constitute a task force and that task force is going to be designed to come up with new strategies to combat anti-semitism we are going to ask the committee to look at the wisdom of other anti-semitism committees around the country. this committee wrote a report two weeks ago in which it summarized the harvard anti-semitism committee. and i will be asking them to look at -- >> i hope that you will consult with that task force or the

committee in the future when you've got this kind of situation. i've got limited time and i do want to ask, and this can be to any of you hopefully all of you with short answers as we are looking forward to the fall semester obviously we have a potential for ongoing challenges in this regard with respect to the campus protests and encampments and potential violence. why don't we start with you? >> i will not be there this fall but i would recommend that during the orientation this coming summer we spent extra time discussing these issues with respectful protests, time, place and manner and make sure the students are prepared for what the rules are with regards to the protest. >> these are always learning opportunities and we shouldn't be surprised in the polarized time and challenging time that

we see that exhibited on campus, so this is an opportunity to talk about protests but also about conversations over differences and all of us can play the role of role modeling for students and how we have conversations between and among people that have stronger differences of opinion on fundamental issues. >> that is my point and i know my time has run out, so what i would ask of all of you is that you give very careful consideration how you are going to approach this in the upcoming school year and perhaps submit your ideas, which i hope will be some sort of template for other schools. thank you very much and i will yield back. thank you for the accommodation. >> thank you.. i think you asked a very good question. you are recognized. >> thank you to all the witnesses coming up today.

you've been talking about this peaceful protest and system that you cannot use law enforcement, but if you watchun the video, tt person slapped the jewish studente and removed the jewish students had covering and pulled out a taser and followed that person. i hope find out if that person belongs to your university and whoever that person was i hope that you found out and did certain, you deal with him i hope and that should not happen for the jewish students. and your school that had the i'm just going to move on to that. the members offered extra credit

on the grades or those who took part in chaos and disruption caused by campus terrorists. what did you do, did you discipline or you were investigating and then what's going on? this should not happen in the university campuses. the prominent university in california not just california but in the nation, so what did you do about it? >> thank you for the question. i'm unaware of the incident of offering extra credit just not clear of that incident. i'm happy to look into that particular incident. >> i cannot hear you. can you pull your microphone

back. >> i am not fully aware of the one you are talking about. we do know that there've been cases where a faculty member has offered extra credit and offered the same credit to go to other events on campus including for jewish studies come about the incident you're talking about i'm sorry, i'm not familiar with. i will make sure i'm aware of it and to see how it may have been handled by student affairs. >> i am aware of it and that's really odd because you are the head of your university and anti-semitism class is not mandatory. i have a little problem with your syllabus, yourth school's syllabus. march 7th an activist gave a mandatory lecture to your first year ucla medical student. it's part of the mandatory

structure and health equity class. the medical students lecturer lead of the students in a free palestine chant and demanded that students kneel down and kept repeating for mama roof to pray and when you do mandatory, why medical students are required to stand up and chant free palestine any mandatory lecture and some have called for suspensions and investigation. have you committed to an investigation today?

>> the committee is looking at the course of content which this was part of over $1 billion per year it is a good use of taxpayer funds for the october 7th massacre asll justi. ..

statements like that are personally offensive to me. critically hurtful. i would just like to learn more about a paradox chancelloryo blk i'm not really getting any answers fromfe you. i hope these public universities especially getting federal funding and you know what, you really have to teach our kids how to think. not just brainwashing bats. thank you very much. thank you very much for dr. adams you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. thank you for what you do. at your institution's eyes serve 40 years at bennett college in greensboro. i want you to know i did have

the opportunity to note doctor trent, your grandfather and to work with him during my 40 years of their at the college. missing for the record of certainly opposed to any unsafe conditions on campuses, anti-semitism, patriot bigotry, all of those things. those in my opinion are inappropriate. work with faculty and students i certainly understand what all you do. and because today we are talking about and tight semitism, i am as i said before i posted that in any unsafe conditions. any student who comes to campus and spends their time there, their money and need to feel safe i need to have the kind of

academic enrichment that is appropriate. i did have a couple of questions. i am going between committee so i apologize that i've had to step out. but let me ask, or chocolate the summer coming most of you probably had commencement, if not you are having it. and so to what extent have you had conversations with the students about protests before they left the campus or during the upsets we have seen on campus? you can be real brief in your answers. i will have another question for doctor holloway will start with you. >> thank you congresswoman. i speak with students, faculty, staff or chicken the jewish community inin this case quite often. it has been ongoing. we talk a lot about different elements on campus but we are going to be doing going forward in they, summer, implementing nutrient by part with the anti-defamation league. in particular that they've already been a good partner will

dive in deeper to that to make sure were doing everything we can to ensure a safe environment for our students. >> okay, anyone else want to speak to that? >> i am happy to jump in. what we are doing, or always talking with our students. trying to help them or jewish students as well as students who are advocates for the current conflict in gaza. but, the important thing we are going tofo be doing over the summer, congressman adams' were going to be revising our conduct code. whichh was just not appropriate for this moment. and so we are going to be working on that. both our office of student

affairs in conjunction with our board committee and student affairs with hooks that will apply to all students? >> yes all students rate. >> let me -- i have a question i really want to get this went in. as university presidents, chancellors, how have you supported the freedom of speech in the right to peacefully protest of your students as well as your faculty? some of the views or political positions that we know have been expressed may differ from your trustees to your own personal views. the omission of the university remain intact? each of you can respond quickly if you would. >> i believe free speech and free expression and academic freedom of the core values of our university. we will protect them.

academic freedom and free luexpression do not allow discrimination, harassment, or intimidation of students, other faculty or community members. >> 's move on down the line. cooks academic freedom and free speech or at the very core of what we do. think the core will be due and serving the common good in protecting democracy. i absolutely agree with the president trying to any language that threatens violence, harassment, intimidation goes beyond the pale and we would be hard to make sure we hold people accountable. >> thank you. >> as i said in my opening statement we have to have strong protections of free expression, academic is the free inquiry of the open a dialogue discussion and debates that takes place on university campus. where does that run out? or is it reach its limits were threats of violence and harassment and intimidation and interruption? quick so say the same thing. we have to encourage free speech

you want to make sure he time, place, manner students understood how to do it within the context. coaxial back. you're wrecking us for five minutes. >> president comments physically blocking since you mention your campus based onth their race, religion or ethnicity. >> excellence are the very beginning of the physicallyestion blocking students from enter your campus based on race, religion or ethnicity and expendable offense? was it certainly a violation of university standards. >> cooks of that and expendable offense? >> potentially it would be depending upon blocking since of entering campus based on religionwo or ethnicity and expendable offense in your university? >> i would imagine there's a violation of the conduct code. is it expendable offense to physically obstruct students on campus?

>> is a range of disciplines up to and including being expelled for violation. >> is physically stopping students of entering your campus based on that release, religion expendable offense? >> disciplinary process for students it could be. >> could we please play a video? >> everyone,ki look at this, lok at this ucla student i deserve to go here. we pay tuition this is our school. they are not let me walk in. i want to use that entrance. let me go in this be over in a second let me and my friends go r in. >> we are not engaging be. >> and move will you move? >> we are not engaging pic looks >> okay we are going. we are going. i'm going in. i have my hands up i am not hurting them. cooks chancellor, or the students of the formar of the blockade know? >> excuse me. >> for those students who form

the blockade? i do not know if they are students are not affiliates because you do not know? have anyny of them a discipline? have any been disciplined yet? those people in the video form the blockade of the been discipline? >> after the response we learned about that i sent a message all of her students to make sure pathways are open for everyone. i sent a message out to our community for. >> i'm going to take that as i don't have the evidence right video. a student being blocked from enter your campus is based on his jewish identity there's been no consequence whatsoever so you're telling us? >> no, i did not say that. this is being investigated we will see what happens with the supplier process. i did not say that for. >> president schill, at the deering meadows agreement the university does not live up to its end of the bargain, to the protesters have a right to reestablish the encampment? the process on deering meadow,

any encampments on deering meadow is a violation of the university chris but you reach an agreement the said the encampment will disband if you agree to certain conditions if you do not follow those conditions can then cam it reestablish itself? >> we are planning on following those conditions for. >> but if youca don't with a viw for the rights to reestablish the encampment? has a hypothetical issue but if i commit to something i do it. like you said you did great respect for the anti-defamation league have is that correct? >> i give up as you are aware they have called for your resignation. they said president schill capitulate the hatred and bigotry empowered and bolded those who use intimidation, harassment and violence to achieve their ends. rather than hold them accountable he pled she would come up president schill will get in the sea att the table and normalize their hatred against jewish students. why is the adl wrong? >> i believe that at this moment leaders need to make hard

decisions. i believe we got a good result. we were able to get rid of the major anti- somatic events on our campus with no violence for. >> by institutionalized anti-semitism in agreeing to the demands of anti-semites. president schill in my view you are the easiest case we have dealt with. you agreed to the demands of those who are trying to change university policy and anti-semitic way. you rewarded their tactics of using force us with the adl has said bissau it i have said. that's not a question excuse me sir per. >> we agreed to nonee of the demands for. >> hereto that you announce deering meadows agreement hereto that you made preposterous statements like it was not practical to consult with the jewish students prior to seceding to those demands i would associate myself with the comments of the adl. i think if the university does not move to change its

leadership it will be endorsing that institutionalization for the normalization anti-semitism on campus. president holly are you currently underl. considerationo be the president of yale university? >> know i am not progress you are not you're playing to state records?ti >> yes i am progress think osorio back. cooks thank you. ms. stevens you are recognized for five minutes. >> as some of you might be aware, last term in congress in 2022 when the democrats were in the majority we moved to past a variety of mental health bills. many that pass, some that languished in the senate. i just wanted to ask you in terms of their purview and the pressures and the stresses on students, what you believe is contributing to the mental healthes crisis among young peoe but we do surmise a gun violence

epidemic that is the number one killer of young people in america is contributing to rising mental health issues? president schill prevent that expert in mental health i agree with you it is growing these problems. next you surmise these problems? >> i would imagine gun violence and there has been a recent book by a psychologist that said cell phones are a major aspect. the kids are getting social media all the time and are not interacting withh each other. there's probably a myriad of reasons why we have a mental health crisis on campus. your assumption is probably one element too. >> a gun violence crisis we have cuts the higher education. we have unregulated social media so to speak and do not know how to take a break.

this committee we were playing a role in marking up legislation to address mental health issues on college campuses. an amendment from the other side of theco aisle i was introducedy a congresswoman from illinois that was strip lgbtq students from receiving mental health resources. i am curious if that amendment had not failed because the democrat majority voted it down. with that have violated any equity, code of conduct violations were taken talking by her today. implementing mental health resources that excluded a segment of students on your campus mr. holloway? >> i what our mental health resources to be available to everybody. >> it needs to be available to everyone. we are here for the third time.

i know this hearing is important to manyur stakeholders and many individuals. i come from michigan we are not part of this rising challenge of an ongoing and brutal and terrible war. the democrat on this committee increasing on expanding health, lowering the cost of higher education in trying to build equity it is deeply frustrating and concerning this is the third hearing that we havecr had cosplaying about protecting students equally went every single one of my colleagues last tournament and congress voted to exclude a group of students from receiving mental health resources. i sincerely hope you would not vote to exclude muslim students for mental health resources jewish students are mental health resources. students of color, not a binary student and the like.

it frankly those who pretend to care about equity as we have seen time and time again in this committee is an outrage. it is an absolute outrage. go ahead and cut the civil rights out of the department of ed. you can get yelled at when my fy colleagues on the other side of the aisle about how you can stand up and not stand up for students litigating all these matters of free speech. but when we don't put our bug her mouth as we are failing this nation were failing muslim students. we are feeling jewish students we are failing christian students and frankly were failing the future of this country.sp we know it cost to go to your school. it's unbelievable how much it costs. thus we should be focusing on. not this pretend argument about equity when really they are just pretending here. so thank you madamou chair and i

yield back. quick thinking ms. stevens. you are records for five minutes for. >> think of a much madam chair good morning to you good morning gentlemen thank you so much for being here. it's a big deal to run a university but i was just making a list of all of the things you have to do running a university. including recruiting applicants to go to your school, hiring professors and staff, running the plant, raising money, promoting yourki school. you would think on that list which is a very long list that's keeping students, staff and faculty safe on your universityh white we are questioning where you put that on your list is because receipt lack of consequences. or we put that group on double secret probation. which really is not holding anybody accountable. chancellor on november 1522 at

the jewish ucla professor and husband went to counter protests ucla student for justice and pal sent rally at work pro israel t-shirts for they heard students chance to slaughter the jews and arabic were threatened by students who said will find you, we will take care of it next that ucla graduate student stopped her husband at his office, two weeks later more and more hatred and anti-semitism including garbage top with the swastika and the words aloud mouth a jew were left outside the door stop this is reported other ucla officials but including the identity of who is doing it. what disciplinary actions did ucla take in response? >> thank you for the question. we immediately alerted the police for the police did an investigation. i don't know if it's ongoing or not but police were involved in beetle in this incident. >> it he would get kicked off the campus? >> i do not know the outcome was

but police were immediately notified of this or interviewed individuals. >> on november 28 map massive protest is kind of hostage posters threatened and chased jewish student while brandishing knives for the chase them on campus the incident was reported to police into ucla officials. can you tell us what disciplinary action including any by get kicked off campus? anyone get expelled? >> i do not die in that case but the police were notified they attempted to identify the individuals holding the knives. >> you can see, judgment, lists where question were will be onuc the list. we meet with students who say in the video just now it breaks my heart you cannot even go to class. it's hard enough going to one of the schools. president schill, i know you are rewriting the code of conduct at northwestern but sounds like you are going to start, yorty probably started on it, is

calling for the death of jews is that going to be against your code of conduct? >> it already is regarding saturday is? so you cannot yell words will know that our hateful calling for the death and destruction. >> anything that calls for the death and destruction of the jewish people whether here or abroad as a code of conduct violation. andto the code of conduct will e investigatingr a variety of disciplinary possibilities that will follow from that. >> very good is an open question. here is your chance, presidents, to prove to this committee, to the american people in congress your team's back home that you rank that safety of students and faculty, have you expelled anybody? have you fired hate groups on campus? i know there's free speech this

is clearly as president schill has already commented on present holloway what would say you? >> any of violence threatening the community or harassment is a violation of the code of conduct and pedagogy of expelled students? you bandit groups from your campus to say this will not be tolerated at records? >> that is correct. >> and i like time is about up. but i was in israel this past -- a few months ago. eating dinner with the family talking about how scary it is tt live in israel prayer with the family said will really worried about is our daughter at ironically our daughter is starting rutgers in the fall. we are really fearful of her safety coming to america. should she have anything to fear at rutgers? >> and very sorry to hear of the family feels this way. >> they are scared, they are scared but they see the video

that we see of the students which is what happened ucla and others across america. they see very little consequences of breaking the laws and policy because and no one seems to be held accountable but you going to hold people accountable? >> man? thank you member yes, sir, absolutely. the when they wanted to make clear we have responded immediately with the weather it student affairs police, sometimes campus police sometimes state police, even the fbi to help us bring to conclusion. >> meta- material back thank you. >> thank you. you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair. want to thank the panelists were being here. thankat you for your life's wor. we look at you where you reflect what life took you. welcome to an institution that

has 11% approval rating. chancellor bloch, ucla has a history of supporting jewishg students. and taking proactive measures is anti-semitism. insightth semitism in october of 2023. october 6 i am told in facts. could you speak to that a little bit? >> we have established a number of new programs. a study of group hate to understand overall many groups specifically have a program to look at anti-semitism but we do see it as a real challenge throughout the world. throughout the campuses that set of issues as a number of initiatives going on the educator are students better about people's history and understanding the dangers of discrimination but one that i am involved in a take students to washington each year group of student leaders we visit congress.

of course we visit the holocaust museum. for many of our students that is an eye-opener pretty begin to understand something about the history of their fellow jewishsi students. white those students it so important to be sensitive to the needs and make sure you're not discriminatory towards her students. we visit other museums as well the african-american museum is education is critical here. we are trying to get more and me programs to educate students so that at least we don't see discrimination based on ignorance. bad behavior. we recognize went to make certain it is welll educated in these areas and we can minimize the amount of discrimination on campus. >> one of the issues i find it representing a district surrounding the university of california, the mothership i am sorry. we think of you as the younger sibling.am so there is some tension there. there is more diversity. our openness in this instance

sometimes creates more friction. in my view as an urban california representative. do not bring you as a prerogative but there is a relative to that focus that contributes more to the challenges that may be less diverse parts of the country don't experience. >> are very proud ucla is a very diverse campus. i worked very hard to make sure it's representative. work hard students of all backgrounds all socioeconomic backgrounds can attend universities but were very proud of that. people come with different life experiences with different prejudices. but we work hard to bring students together to better understand the common humanity. i think this isye something that system does very well it brings together different backgrounds or try to form a bond of what we all have ines common. very effective organizations

which is actually nationally recognized as an outstanding place for jewish students to find a home. and other students in organizations they can go too. >> it may have been part of your program. very involved in it. >> yes been really a great partner with jewishe students. how do we continue to build in that given the reality we are experiencing right now? this is a teaching moment maybe more about learning moment. accepted ring build more programs of faculty programs can be helped with faculty to reckon us with the students are going through in terms of the challenges of students is very divided world. also faculty new student programs it really can help address discrimination. >> a personal note i became friends a few years ago with nascent who is now deceased. he's a survivor of asteroids.

last that i was thinking about what he would think about these hearings. he was a very frank he would be in pretty came here withh nothig and it being one of the wealthiest people in the united states. mr. lawrence, us criticized a little bit laughter because i quoted justice brandeis and the opinion with justice holmes defined the first amendment. could you talk about that? it is sort of odd that people get mad at me for using a quote from justice brandeis and talking about the first amendment. >> it would not think one could get hurt for quoting justice brandeis is a personal hero of mine. probably many in the room. justice brandeis famously said in the absence of incitement of imminent lawless activity the answer to bad speech is not enforced silence. it is more speech. i think he was right then i thinke he's right today. >> thank you all. i yield back.

>> thank you. you are recognized for five minutes.is >> thanksp you chairwoman foxx. i like to start mys comments comments made during the ranking member's opening statements. criticized the majority fornu holding this hearing and talks about the civil rights movement and evoked martin luther king jr. talk to who was once unpopular but then moved public opinion. his wife was just defined by peaceful protests. drawing any comparison between him andnd the un- american anti- somatic protesters is totally inappropriate. totally unacceptable. i think the purpose of holding this hearing is to ensure this anti-semitism never becomes up accepted by americans. the anti-semitic behavior we have seen on your college

campuses is reprehensible. many cases it is criminal. i'm deeply concerned by the fact that president schill and president holloway you given to the protesters demand at the expense of the rest of your student bodies. mr. holloway you promises part of giving into explorer, expanding records relationship with the palestinian university at least that is alleged. which include considering student exchange and study abroad programs is that true? >> we arty have a relationship with that university. >> it has buildings named after convicted terrorists. it is glorified terrorism social media posts. hamas what a majority of the school student government eight of the students were arrested for planning terror attacks just weeks before october 7. and, as of 2014 it had official policy of borrowing jews from

its campus. is this really an insufficient rutgers should be partnering with? >> ,fo we partner with institutions all around the world progressive you commit to ending the relationship with this university question mayorkas information you just sd to me is new to me sir and i commit to reviewing it. >> thank you. earlier this month as i said given to the demands of the mob on your campus. you agreed to eight of the tenant demands in a matter of days but however you have refused to accept the request of a rutgers jewish faculty administrators staff group from this past december. they ask you provide a full public accounting of anti-semitic incidents on campus, suspend students and student organizations that repeatedly violet the code of conduct. prohibit academic departments from institutionally taking controversial political stances. convene a standing university wide committee and anti-semitism in the jewish experience. why have you ignored it but acted immediately to appease

pro- hamas and anti-american protesters? >> thank you for the course of our single sales not negotiating with the mob but talking to students bridge to your question specifically, jewish faculty administration and staff the organization the request they sent to us are being asked on posthaste progressive you commit today to fulfilling all the requests? >> i will in fact part of the plan for the summer we've already shared our action plan, addresses most of those concerns. >> you commit to providing a full public accounting of anti-semitic incidents on campus to them? books we have been scrubbing our own information to make sure we can get that information. >> you will commit to doing that? >> we are doing that works are prickly you commit to suspending student and student organizations that repeatedly ballot these code of conduct? >> to students about the code of conduct they go interdisciplinary process. i could look like many different things but what commit to

suspending them if that happens? >> of the review committee deems that merits suspension it will be suspended or. >> you commit to prohibiting academic departments from institutionally taking controversial>> political stanc? >> is something we are reviewing the summer, sir. i recognize departments make these kind of all call the plank it seems that any topic it is an assertion of speech but also a chance to make itt harder. >> you commit to convening a standing university wide committee on anti-semitism and the jewishs experience? >> suite immediately in response with the request we created such a committee in our new brunswick campus of several campuses for the summer one of the things we are looking at is to figure out how to pull together representatives from each of our campuses. quick so you are -- is taking a long time to respond to them but you responded to the other immediately. what they need to threaten to disrupt exams for you to listen

to them kuester. >> no, sir, that would not be the case. we were acting in the state of emergency of the encampment. i will absolutely say it we could have responded more quickly, more robustly or always trying to betterat serve. >> thank you president holloway. >> thank you. ms. omar your record is for five minutes. >> thank you chairwoman. thank you all for being here. chancellor block, it just for clarification the video we just watched, we saw people going and moving around. was it possible, do you think for that student to be able to get into campus with that student actually being blocked from entering campus? >> excuse me that was in the middle of campus for that up in block for being on campus. it may be being blocked from a

pathway encampment campus he should be allowed to pass. it's open to students. >> appreciate that. ucla aret images from appalling. what is more appalling is that there was -- it was completely preventable. you could have prevented this by protecting the diverse groups of pro- palestinian students that work peacefully gathered on campus to share meals, to stand in solidarity against the genocide you could have protected the student's first amendment right toly assemble. you could have prevented this when you learned about rats being released into the encampment. you could have prevented this when there is an anonymous group funded and constructed against a

giant video with loudspeakers and disturbing footage. you could have prevented this when you saw an angry mob on campus on the night of april 30 but you did not. and said that ucla leadership and law enforcement stood by four hours as the mob of agitators and gathered near the encampment with the clear intention to cause violence. because of your inaction, they acted on the and tension attenty attacked students you are responsible for print this happen in front of your eyes, on your campus and it was live streamed for the whole world to see. so, i would like to know if you are truly committed to keeping

your students safe? how did you failed these students at many critical points you could haveke intervened? >> thank you for the question but i'm sorry i reject the premise. >> how do you reject the premise are these pictures lying? are these the pictures are any of these people in jail? >> can i finish my statement? >> know are any of these people in jail? or did these people arrested? >> lapd are trying to work on identifying students. >> it has been over a month. i submit for the record an article cnn and has produced. >> without objection. >> why did you not immediately send the police that were standing by, your campus police, law enforcement, to intervene?

>> we tried. we notified us as he saw the violence we notified all of the mutual aid partners. we try to get police as quickly as possible. going back to my original point this in camo is against policy. >> a chancellor, chancellor if i made the footage from that night reveal some of the most dramatic attacks not filled with ucla. not the university students, un, faculty that were arrested. why have the violent agitators who you know have been identified, not been held accountable for assaulting over oh one. fifty of your students? you should be ashamed. the fact you failed your students. you should be ashamed for letting a peaceful protest

gathering get hijacked by an angry mob. you should be ashamed for allowing such of violence to take place on your campus. which will now be a weaponize by republicans in this committee. you played right into the hands and laying the ground for attacking institutions of public education stripping students of their rights and broader repression of movements. i note my time is up. like to submit images into the record. >> without objection per. >> open letter to ucla communiy from that ucla jewish faculty and staff. >> thank you. mr. williams or recognize for five minutes. >> think you met themob chairwon for the question for each of the university leaders here, when students return to campus in a few months will there be new rules, policies procedures and enforcement mechanisms in place to give jewish students safe and

welcomed? >> all of our studentsti yes. >> all of our students, yes. quick same, same answer. >> thank you. president, schill i assume the new rules, policies procedures and enforcement mechanisms will be informed and guided by the events of the last few months on your campus, is that correct? >> absolutely. >> ohmmeter investigations are complete, is that correct question. >> our investigations are ongoing. >> you did not commit to that early you just committed to having policies, procedures et cetera ready in time for the new school year but i assume it's based on your>> investigation, that makes sense to me is that true? >> is based on what we have learned about what has happened over the past year. it is based on best practices. it is based i'm sure on some investigation that have already taken place.

but our investigations are an ongoing process. we will be getting violations presumably over time weve are nt going to holde, up -- this is to important for. >> if i may just to keep this line of questioning. whenes jewish students return ts fall, we'll students and faculty who have been found to have made violent threats to jewish students, will they be barred from campus this fall? this is your commitment to policies and procedures in place so could jewish students returning to your campus anticipate the violators who have been found by your investigation be barred from campus is not a fair assumption? mark. >> this is a distant play process for. >> is a straightforward question progress so there isn't actually part of the disability process for the disciplinary process will grant hearings and due process to the students. and we'll meet out what the

appropriate penalty is. >> cannot be suspended from campus but perhaps while the due process is being undertaken perhaps to protect the jewish students or parents other than to. your schools. perhaps you would commit they are barred from campus they are suspended the outcome of these investigations for. >> us on our due process works perfect how about you mr. holloway? >> is in question sir? >> yes for. >> okay. we are -- we have graduated our class. we arew now in the process of shifting gears. some are planning to do the work of exploring our policies and building plans.. >> talk about the specific violators that are being investigated for these heinous crimes. will they be at your campus when new students, jewish students return in the fall, yes or no? you don't know?

>> this is a question for each of you again. would you say the emergence of encampments on your campus was in a spontaneous event or was it orchestrated and planned? president schill? did it surprise you? >> it surprised me. >> mr. holloway? >> have been an hour's notice is apprise me as well. cooks out as a planned or copycat. certainly a number of encampments when it very quickly. which iswi surprising. >> if i made, and he was behind the encampment through the group, faculty, faculty groups? maybe which departments, student organizations who is behind and bindingcampus in your opinion? specifically groups and your campus. >> i do not know. >> while, mr. holloway? >> i have a public university with a lot of outside organizations involved.

i note some we are finding. i'm unable to tell which organizations. >> mr. block cluster. >> i'm uncertain there quite a few. ask absolute shock he allowed the chemist to persist on campus who do not i was behind them. you do not or what was there. by their occupying and causing violence and chaos sets an astonishing admission to me. and probably disingenuous. again for each of you do acknowledge giving guidance to campus police to refuse to take police reports of crimes could be a violation of the query act close work president schill are you aware of that question. i am not aware of anyone. >> mr. holloway are you aware? >> i've not looked at the act recently it could become i don't know. >> mr. holloway kuester giver suggesting that happened at rutgers is news to me. quest mr. bloch are you aware question. >> i am not a lawyer but a sin that's a violation.

>> thank you madam chair ranking member. thank you witnesses of her joining uss today. in the past seven months of anti-semitic incidents of spiked across the country, this committee has held five hearings, roundtable similar to this. but sadly, sadly we have not had a hearing to actually consider the legislation to address this epidemic of hate. we have bills that we could hear let congresswoman kathy manningsand bipartisan counterig anti-semitism acts which i am a proud cosponsor along with 45 of my colleagues. i will point out that bill has an equal number of democrat and republican cosponsors. there is a bipartisan effort to actually adopt legislation to

cover these issues. unfortunately anti-semitism as we know is a form of hate also rampant in our politics. for example kerr republican nominee for governor of north carolina has repeatedly made anti-semitic statements including downplaying the atrocities of the holocaust. madam chair like unanimous consent to enter into the wreck of the article from the times of israel titled trump back to gop candidate for north carolina governor. accused of anti-semitic remarks. >> without objection for. >> also just last week minnesota republican party endorsed a candidate for the u.s. senate who once identified as anti-semite. madam chair like a dentist consent to enter into the wreck of the article quoted in the times of israelpa quoted podcast or who railed against jews wins republican not in minnesota. course without objection.

>> 's are not isolated incidences. they follow a disturbing trend of the far rightti that embraces anti-semitic conspiracies like the great replacement theory. just a monday afternoon, there is a video posted on former president donald trump's site featured images of hypothetical newspaper article celebrating 2024 victory for him. and to the creation are the headlines what is next for america? this committee has the authority over some think that it's really important and key for combating hatete that's education. we now education is one of the great methodsam of bringing peoe together and having students,

americans, all people start to understand religion, people, viewpoints that are different to start to understand the history of anti-semitism that has plagued. not only this country but our world for centuries upon centuries. to understand the history. to understand it must be treated with the care and attention that it deserves. unfortunately i don't think hearing after hearing to simply address sad and disturbing incidents. not addressing legislation to combat them this what our nation needs at this time once i get a call and they can made to hold the hearing on the legislation to actually address anti-semitism light combating antioxidant is an axiom with that i yield back. thank you very much madam chair.

>> thank you ms. fernandez. we are recognized for five minutes for. >> first of all just a little bit of a comment on some of these agreements that been enteredm into. when we did these hearings were given something called a the prehearing memorandum. in the prehearing memorandum it mentions in one sentence johns hopkins university harvard university and the university of wisconsin in milwaukee. i think if you told the university of milwaukee a year ago they would appear in the same sentence as harvard and johns hopkins it would've been quite elated i will point out such a great honor to be put into those two institutions in your agreement with the rutgers encampment you promise to implement for displaced

palestinian students to finish their education at rutgers. do you acknowledge or will you admit to and return for them stopping causing trouble just being awful would be a violation of federal antidiscrimination law would you consider that question right supporting refugee students is a violation of antidiscrimination law? >> you set aside 10 spaces for palestine. >> i understand, idi understand. we've existing programs to support refugee programs and scholars we would lean on those programs. we actually do not believe in quotas for. >> you see a problem? first ofor all on hold because e situation response of the

trouble they are causing the hate they are encouraging their ethnic group is rewarded with 10 spaces i'm sure there's all other foreigners around the world to be happy to grab those 10 spaces. you think that was a wise thing to do or something you shouldn't revoke or rethink? >> are you speaking specifically about the number 10 is that what you're asking?

>> you understand there's only so many slots in university i don't know what's going on in new jersey. they could've given the slots to people in new jersey you wanted to increase the diversity of your program. i'm sure there are many legitimate countries around the world in which students to be happy to come here. i guess the thing that bothers me is first what your violating federal antidiscrimination law cycle that you are compelled to reward the palestinians who were causing a disruption. not to mention appear to be cited with an ideology that is completely offensive. but they get a reward. >> at various points you put in there, sir, rutgers is one of the most diverse campuses and universities in the country. >> is a good question he could cut you off but i'll have five minutes.

you said it's a diverse campus part of a problem with this wholee thing is a lack of diversity and campuses. right now the country's 50/50 republican democrat liberal or whatever. do you think you're campuses 50/50 or 60/44 look at the faculty, is it diverse like that? >> i do not know we do have a political litmus test we hire people. >> no clue? i talked to my local professors they can give me scarce stories about the infant testable number of conservative students. >> okay, i will go on here to the gentleman from northwestern it appears to me is that you've also entered into some sort of agreement in response to the troublemakers.

saying you're going to support visiting palestinian faculty and students at risk. so in other words you have responded to these protests in the anti-semitic protest by rewarding a subgroup here with special treatments. do youre regret that our think that's inappropriate? >> this is an existing program. it is not something new. we have an existing program and it served at ukraine, afghanistan other countries. progress university will support visiting palestinian faculty is what it says here. >> thank you for cutting me off. >> mr. scott? you are recognized for five minutes. correct thank you manager of a video i want towe start with. i have video.

>> first because of you guys change it from the river to the sea questioned. >> he asked her what you wish which seat? >> in the seat of. [laughter] like you don't know? the answer was the mediterranean and the jordan. what does hamas have the number one goal is according to the charter? >> under free pal center. >> murder all jews from the worldly and tight revolution mean? are you kidding? the thing a global call to murder jews progress a while but where did you know you said that? snow but would you say it again? it's probably not how much of a foreign adversaries donate to american universities and last decade? x no idea but cannot give a number that breaks the answers over 6 billion how many refugees had the arab neighboring countries let in the last two months?>> 35000 for the answer was zero. >> the education major students don't know what they stand for. would it be great of these expensive colleges actually taught them something?re ♪ >> after seeing that and honestly it's comical but it's

really not comical the outcome of that, ignorance is not comical. i am concerned for our young people it concerns me what they are not learning and their willingness to participate in hate. there's an article that came out from fortune i like this meant that for the record regards ngwithout objection. talks about a survey of hr experts. there is definitely ali culture within the hiring of small businesses who are choosing not to hire from universities that have protests on them. which is unfortunate for students who do not participate as a protest. you can each answer this are you concerned about the business community private sector

community, the employers that are hiring your students? are you concerned you have communications with those businesses? >> i have not had any communication from businesses that have said they're not going to hire northwestern students. but, i will say it's not directly on point are absolutely right. we need to educate students. the ignorance that you saw is part of the problem. all of us agree we need to be better at. >> thank you mr. holloway. >> the video is shocking and depressing. i absolutely believe we all need to do a betterm., job in k-12 education and higher education to make sure we have more better informed students. and frankly better informed citizens. i'm sorry.

>> you can see why employers district everyone is seeing these videos. you can see why employers would say i am not hiring from that school. >> i do understand that. you asked a question specifically on that issue. we have a very large career services program. they worked diligently to prepare our students should be ready to be hired and not look like the students of the video sir. >> chancellor blocker? >> thank you. more education. i was a surprise we need to better educate our students and some of these areas. we give a task force is looking directly at this issue. >> it was askeduc earlier and i want to give a second chance to answer this. the question when do you believe israel is a genocidal state? that is theto propaganda. let's begin with you, do you

believe israel is a genocidal state? >> no i do not pay. >> mr. holloway? >> i i do not. quest mr. block chancellor block question or a. >> i do not progress it is not. okay thank you. would you acknowledge from the river to the sea and revolution these phrases are anti-semitic calls for the destruction of israel and the slaughter of jews? >> i believe over time those statements have become dog whistles for anti-semitism. >> any time a phrase such like that is used to incite violence and threatened as a violation of conduct in his anti-semitic. >> chancellor? was i also think there anti-semitic. many people do not pay. >> on the asked real quick yes or no it's not just anti-semitic it is dangerous, yes? no? >> potentially yes. >> i agree.

>> i agree. >> you are recognized for five minutes. >> this has to be a record for racist protests thrive at universities the post- jim crow america. i mean seriously, a lot of these schools feel like they're being a riled up by george wallace. the target this time not being black americans this has to be a record for racist protests thrive at universities the post- jim crow america. i mean seriously, a lot of these schools feel like they being riled up by george wallace. the target this time not been black americans for jewish americans. yet again leaders if universities are rampant anti-semitism. madam chair atci these witnesses have countless academic accolades and yet i am sorry, the ignorance of their actions on the same level as other schools. do you three thank you operate in a vacuum? >> every jew home and abroad this raises stories and how cap again. we find ourselves drowning in the same cultural rot which led up to the most horrific genocide

in human history. the world knew what was happening to jews in nazi occupied europe. but why didn't they care? there is a culture of indifference and hatred toward jews. culture drives everything the world is now been directly influenced by the culture of hatred on american campuses. your campuses. doctor holloway, evil does not rear its cowardly head unless givent permission. erything. the world is now being directly influenced by the culture of hatred on american campuses . your campuses. mr. seale, dr. holloway, dr. block, evil does not rear its cowardly head unless given permission. through an unwillingness to successfully and these protests, you have given permission to the evil we are witnessing. according to the anti- defamation league, this past year was the worst year for anti-semitic incidences since adl began recording more than four decades ago. there was a total of 8873

incidents reported across the united states in 2023. 922 unkiddents took place in college and university campuses. 21% increase. university students around the world are copying what they see so easily on american campuses and in no uncertain terms vital expressions in democracy. however, this is an explicit glorification and endorsement of u.s. designated terrorist group whichr massacred 1200 innocent civilians. is this language acceptable at

ucla? >> the language is unacceptable and i'm unaware of that. >> what would be the consequences for racists calling for genocides? >> disciplinary process b. >> but anything less than a suspension in my opinion is insufficient. ucla received a d. i hope you will review their metrics and carefully and do a better job moving forward. president, you updated in anticipation of ebb encampments being directed in colleges and universities across the country. when the encampment went up and throughout its lifetime you failed to enforce codes of conduct providing false legitimacy to the encampment and its actions.

it is also true that you set explicitly that any violation of code of conduct or university policies could lead to disciplinary actions such as suspension or expulsion and criminal sanctions. yothe encampment has violated ce of conducts and policies. what's the point of having rules if they don't matter. let me ask and i know that you've given dr. fox an answer but let's run it back. how many citations have northwestern university issued to both student and nonstudent participants? >> i don't have the exact figure. >> got it. t this is a failure and yours alone and to inch who will see this, i ask that you visit the holocaust museum here in dc.

i want you to peer over the countless shoes of jews, deaf enabled by global culture, culture which each ofe. us has a role in either enabling or ending and i would remind you, osdr. block and dr. holloway of who you are. i hope that you reclaim it because we will certainly be watching, with that madame chair, i yield back. >> time expired. mr. scott, you're recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madame chair. i would like to ask the university president the first question that you would ask had thech premise that something alg the lines of inso far as your campuses are hot beds of anti-semitism, how many people have you disciplined and you

wenton onto just answer how many people disciplined without questioning whether or not your campuses were, in fact, hot beds of anti-semitism. are your campuses also hot beds ofdi racism homophobia and islamophobia? >> i would not say that we are hot beds of any of those things. do i believe that we have a problem like all universities and it's becoming more and more apparent that anti-semitism is a problem on campus and it's one that we need to deal with. >> the vast majority -- >> i don't have -- let me just get an answer from president hol loway and have a community

of care. >> chancellor block. >> i believe the same. i don't believe we are hot bed of anti-semitism. incidents of them that we are trying to address. >> you let the premise go by and didn't address it. i didn't want that to be the record of the hearing. did your code of conduct -- is your code of student conduct based on whether or not the conduct involves anti-semitism or islamophobia, racism, homophobia or other gender-based hatred? >> we treat each of those equally. >> and president holloway? >> we are in the same space. do you develop campus free of anti-semitism that does not address other forms of hate? >> hate is hate and we need to address all of it. >> president holloway.

>> same here. we have initiative specifically to look at group hate looking at kidifferent types of group hate. >> i say that because it's indicated in my opening remarks. this is multiple hearings just on anti-semitism but under title 6 there are other forms of hate. if you're having campus free of hate it's difficult to do that just looking at one form. question was raised about qatar toand i'm aware of another university that used to represent before redistricting that has a camp news qatar. what's the value of having a university located in qatar. >> itar provides benefits to faculty and students that want to go back and forth and it also i believe this was decided 17 years ago and i'm only there for two years. i believe part of the point was

to introduce american concepts of journalism, free speech and to provide in journalism and to provide avenues for women to be more successful in those societies, i think those were the reasons. >> thank you. >> you begin with presumption that speech is protected because that's the core of first amendment with respect to public universities but the principles of free expression on university campuses as well. where that runs out is where that activity turns into threats of violence, harassment or undo disruptions of the operations of the university and those are the kinds offr decisions that university presidents around the country are making on a daily basis takingen all of the factos

into account that they have to deal with. >> thank you, and i just have a few seconds left of decisions that university presidents around the country are making on a daily basis, taking all of the factors into account that they have to deal with. >> thank you. i just have a few seconds left. are there any additional steps that this committee could actually do to help promote enforcement of title vi? lawrence? >> i think the committee could play a major role in working with and funding the department of education in that regard and in all the ways in which the department of education facilitates the work of universities around the country and all of the issues we have been talking about, and a range of other issues including mental health issues that are major challenges for colleges and universities today. >> thank you. thank you. that was all.

>> thank you, mr. scott, for being right on time. >> i try. >> you and i are trying to be good role models. mr. keller, i will recognize you now for a closing statement. >> i would ask unanimous consent to enter the following items into the record. the letter from professor and former attorney general of new jersey stating that he finds accusations of pervasive climate of anti-semitism and records to be both inaccurate and offensive. a letter from over 500 law school professors condemning the committee's accusations against the rutgers law center for security, race and rights. a letter published in the daily northwestern on may 2nd of faculty members commending the president from northwestern for coming to a peaceful resolution involving the encampment. an article from may 15th chicago times entitled northwestern and it it's

encampment without cops or violence. why is congress upset? a letter from northwestern american association of university professors, executive committee letter to representative fox and members of the committee in support of president she'll. and from the l.a. times, entitled after violent night at ucla, classes canceled, you see president launches investigation into response documenting the organized attack on the ucla encampment the night of april 30th. a joint statement from unions representing educators at rutgers northwestern and ucla. a letter from the national coalition against interest to decrying the may 14th letter from the chair of the oversight committee to the treasury secretary ellen, and an article from boise state university's office of student life, 5.5

things you may not know about martin luther king which includes the fact that the king center, that dr. king went to jail 29 times. but pointed out his protests were nonviolent. but usually against the law. part of the nonviolent strategies that you not only break the law, but you accept the consequences. unanimous consent for those. >> that's the end of the list. without objection. >> thank you. i want to thank our witnesses for participating. without a doubt, there is more we can do to enter -- combat anti-semitism not only on college campuses but everywhere. no one should be intimidated, harassed or assaulted simply for they are or who they worship. it has been noted that students cannot learn if they feel threatened. today for the fifth time in six

months, the majority is holding another hearing just to complain about anti-semitism without providing a meaningful solution to address animus on college campuses or any of the other forms of hatred. so it was great to have an opportunity to hear from our campus leaders about what they are doing to proactively prevent incidences of violence and harassment.. our leaders and students deserve more. we have the responsibility to criticize, the discrimination, whenever we see it, even if it comes from one's own party. students deserve solutions, thoughtful and deliberate constitute -- questions about the constitutional deliberations before us, which would mean the difference between free speech and violating criminal code title vi and our campus policies.

>> thank you, mr. stop -- scott. we do agree that students cannot learn when they feel threatened. we should see that students that do feel threatened are believed that fear. one of congress's constitutional powers is to conduct investigations. these are an important mechanism for transparency, ringing bad things to light, informing new legislation to address the problems they uncover, and yielding accountability. today's testimony certainly brought things to light beyond the craven deals and shocking inaction we already knew about. president she'll, we've heard

accounts of violence and harassment against jewish students on your campus, but you admitted you have not suspended a single student since october 7 for anti- semitic conduct. moreover, i'm appalled by the condescension and contempt you have shown for the committee and towards your own jewish students today. you have refused to answer basic questions on topics. this includes on your decision to appoint anti-semites, including one who supported the october 7 attack, to your anti- semitism advisory committee and whether you will terminate faculty and staff who fought with police. you have given misleading answers that contradict the words of the agreement that you signed. over a month ago the committee sent you a document, a document request detailing pages of horrifying anti-semitic incidents. that was before the anti-

semitic pro-terror encampment. you have only suspended four student since october 7. the center for security, race and rights uses taxpayer dollars to engage in political advocacy, promote terrorism, and delegitimize israel. just this week it was revealed that one of the advisory board members of the center was posting videos of hamas murdering israeli soldiers on instagram with words of praise. if you are unwilling to close and defund the cecil -- cesspool of hate the state of new jersey should. chancellor block, we saw horrifying footage of encampment members setting up illegal checkpoints denying jewish students access to central parts of campus and accounts of assault, harassment, threats and intimidation. you stood by and let this

happen. today's hearing is the beginning , not the end, of the investigation of your institutions. you will be held accountable for your record. congress will not stand by while you violate your obligation to uphold title vi of the civil rights act. you failed to protect jewish students. cut deals advancing divestment and promote terrorism and radical anti-semitic ideology. there being no further business to come before the committee the committee stands adjourned.

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