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remarks request arrest warrant. this event was held at the coalitions annual conference in washington d.c. the third annual conference.

we begin our program this afternoon for us to we are not alone. a pleasure this afternoon, inviting two-time commissioner freedom. monthly states at this middle not. johnny moore is about to speak.

those outside they are amplifiers and there 85 decibels, it will break your ears. they were out there. they reallyey care. it will turn in the other direction to their objections. this not really why they are here. [applause] >> ironically and standing on the very sidewalk. thank you for having me, it's been wonderful.

why this, it is not a sermon. the lord has chosen this. when i think of the complicated relationship especially in the united states often think of an occasion i personally deal with it i was in her early 20s invited to small event organized by a jewish organization honoring prominent angelical

speaker for support of israel. in the order of events was single. a brief ceremony to honor the individual statement was to be made by the jewish organization and would be presented by evangelical and they would say things there were comments from the rabbi, short and sweet and elegant. that's not how that happened. the award was amazing, it was not unusual. it was stunning everything went fine until the shofar was handed to the evangelical. overzealous creatures do, he took to the podium and said words of thanks that i do not remember before he said something i will never forget. he said i only wish i knew how to play the shofar.

... and the evangelical and a total lack of judgment which were sometimes prone to do, i'm sure none of you are prone to do, he said, up and she did. and it quickly became apparent that she could not play the shofar. her cheeks ballooned to each side but she's getting more and more embarrassed so she would let yourself quit. she turned bright red. she nearly collapsed. i thought this poor lady was going to die right there in front of our eyes before the evangelical managed to sort of talk her outse of it. he got the sister to give up. then the rabbi assumed the podium to give his already prepared remarks, which began with a a beautiful few sentences

about how the shofar is rarely used exceptno on the most sacred occasion. you have, folks, in one story the evangelical jewish experience together. that's what it is. [laughing] and yet, the truth is we have actually been running in-- the same circles for a very long time. in 1897, in basel switzerland when hartsell gathered to a delegates for the first finest world congress, many people believe only jewsly attended the congress and they are mainly right. but they're not entirely right. since this is a sign his coalition you may know that theater hartsell also invited ten christian observers to the first zionist congress. he was not on one of the influential figures in history having ignited this zionist movement, is also a dear friend

of christians, christians of the evangelical type. in fact, it was hurtful himself the probably first used the term christian zionists and used it to describe the commitment to israel exhibited by two of his christian friends. the first was reverend william heckler, a minister with the british embassy in vienna. heckler became fasted with the influential work of the jewish state. he immediately became one of his most zealous followers can one of her kills most influential global advocates. a loyal disciple of the teaching which is ironic because hartsell was secular and personal comments on this in his director you said his friend heckler declares my movement to be a biblical one, although i perceive rashly at all points. heckler would become influential for many years. in fact, he was very influential meeting up to the balfour declaration.

but probably the first person to be called a christian zionist was henry denied, the founder of the red cross. haitian military id is not only lead to the formation of the red crosso but also to the geneva convention. he was warned not one but two nobel prizes including the first nobel peace prize in 1901. stop and think about that as we watched in recent months the red cross and its interaction with the hostages held by hamas. that their founder, the father of humanitarian,n, was also a passionate christian zionist. because of his belief in the bible, fact as early as 1866 he began advocating for the return of jews to the holy land. and despite being personally invited by hurtful to the congress, henry was not able to attend because of an illness but

he was so important to herzl that hurtful mentioned him by name in his closing remarks. in fact, on that very day herzl allies,o the famed max, he wroe to dunant and said the day when zionism is so secure that it can look back to its rise and ponder its origins in histories, your experts, henry, for your efforts will have the recognition they deserve for their astonishing foresight and for their true christian generosity. you have so many claims to everlasting gratitude from your fellow man, henry. her place in history of civilization is so exalted, so touched with glory that your service as prophetic as it is to the cause of zionism may indeed be lost given the scale of your other achievements. so after all of these years,

more than a century since that occasion, the truth is we really have no excuse not to know one another better, especially now. i'm often asked especially by my jewish friends and especially since october 7, why evangelicals feel this way about the jewishau community. and i think it's because of what we have done. we have spoken our community with moral clarity from october 7, and every day since from d.c. to são paulo to london to johannesburg. we have shown up at thousands of solidarity rallies globally. we've spoken constantly every time the press asked asked the question. we have dedicated our own television and radio outlets to countless hours of coverage on israel and against thehe rise of

anti-semitism. we have advocated relentlessly for the hostages. and in my own case although i helped organize a rally outside of the red cross and the u.n. human rights commission in geneva. i personally met on multiple occasions with those leaders and also the leaders of the arab state. in fact, how she is in just over two weeks ago. i spoke at the eu parliament. i arranged for family members of the hostages to speak in front of 10,000 college students at liberty university else in front of several ofng the largest evangelical congregations in our country. i personally have spoken at pepperdine university, wheaton college, and delivered the commencement address at indiana wesleyan university a few days ago. i will be a stanford later this week. in two weeks io will make my fourth solidarity visit to israel already this year. and on my visits i have a habit. at the end of every day, if i'm

staying in jerusalem, i visit the codel. and in january that meant that after long shabbat dinner, after an emotional visit to the gaza envelope, it was after midnight when the dinner was done and tested my commitment. i want to go sleep and i was very, very far away, and the gps is costly scrambled in israel. you cannot get a map. -- it's true, it takes a while. but as an evangelical, i couldn't imagine not going to the kotel to pray for israel at a moment like this. and i'm a here to tell you that while i may spend more time in middle east than most, i am not an usual.

every leader in my community that i know has tried to do something to help israel and the community since october 7. i do not know a single evangelical leader who has bowed under the pressure to abandon israel or to make excuses for anti-semitism exploding on our streets. [applause] our faith doesn't allow us to bow under pressure. ournc scripture says, are christian new testament, if you care about the opinion of people, you cannot be a servant of god. there are limitations to this, but generally we can't blink. we must hold our ground. god expects us to be strong and courageous against all the opposition in the world. ladies and gentlemen, we are especially suspicious of

political correctness . spiritual leaders an obligation not to be swayed by political correctness. jeremiah, isaiah, micah, none of them were swayed by the powerful political correctness of their day. they knew as you know, as we know, that we need to be guided first by gods words. and if you need any more evidence of the sinister effects of political correctness, then just look at what happened yesterday anded also happened ts morning before we gathered here. yesterday, two of the most objectively evil leaders in modern history, iran's president and foreign minister met a surprising death because of bad weather in the mountains of iran. yet, all morning the foreign

ministers of countless countries have fallen over c themselves, even in democratic countries, to issue statements mourning the death of these sinister individuals. instead, i agreed with what the british minister of state security tweeted, his sentiment i think is correct. he said, i do not mourn the death of iran's leaders. and he's right. racy was the foreign minister masterminded the ruthless murder of thousands in iran. they were serial killers. and when i sat on his commission for international use freedom we unanimously democrat and republican appointees agreed unanimously to demand the u.s. government sanction him when he was a chief justice of the supreme court and the government responded and didn't sanction. they called in the butcher of

tehran for a reason because his bloodlust was most satisfied by slaughtering the most vulnerable, women and children, members of the lgbtq community, the teenage children of his own political adversary, countless religious minorities, including the baha'i and evangelicals, , y community and iran, which by the way we keep growing when they try to kill us, we just grow and erupt. today is not a day to mourn. it is a day that the long-suffering people of iran celebrate, and if the u.s. gave them free internet right now, we would hear their cries for help for the world to free them from this evil regime. but, unfortunately, again and again our leadership, democrat andoc republican, the u.n., , te eu, year after year after year have closed their ears to their cries for too long.

noo longer can we close our eas to the cries of the people of iran. then there's the news of this very morning, as yet another institution created in a system built precisely to prevent the atrocities of nazi germany made an outrageous decision that only helps those who dream of another holocaust. to date, all good people in the world, whatever their faith, must speak with moral clarity, not politicalal correctness in response to the decision of the prosecutors of the corrupt international criminal court, because that's what it is. it is corrupt. they have equated today we were coming to this very conference a democracy with a rule of law and with checks and balances and a robust judiciary to a terrorist organization which he heads babies.

this is profane beyond comprehension. -- beheads -- today what we witness was a transparently corrupt decision made by white collared anti-semites, anti-semites which enable terrorism while seeking to diminish, and believe me, they will dismantle the sacred democratic institutions to which they owned their own existence and which are meant to protect everything we cherish in the world. democratic countries must bandst together and exact a a devastg cost from the icc for this. there are no both sides. we should sanction them for doing this and we should reform it, or it should be shut down. [applause] because make no mistake, from october 7 and tell now, and i'm

going to say this is cleared as i know how and with respect, defending zionism has become a proxy for defending all of our western democratic values. and we will win this fight but we must be diligent. there is no time left for complacency.. you and i, our community and your community, we are living together in an existential moment. it is a moment of choosing for all of ch us. and i should get back to my topic. so why do we love israel and the jewish people? very simple. your book is our book. your heroes are our heroes. and your values are our values. i stand here today as a

christian blast because of israel, blessed by the jewish people because the bible we love in the bible we cherish as christians is a jewish book. what we call the old testament is actually the hebrew bible, and every book in the christian new testament, except for one, was written by a jew. the christian newne testament ss these words, which virtually every evangelical believes, the word of god is living, and it is active and it is sharper than any two edged sword. it pierces to the very division of our soul and our spirit. that discerns even our thoughts and intents down in our heart. your care for the hebrew bible, the diligent reference of your scribes through the century has

changed our lives as christians, and we are in all of the reference that they had and many of you have, all of you have, for the name of god and for god's very work. in fact, in history we loved this book and have loved this book so much a part of our christian story involves many people who died to preserve this book and then to translate it into the languages of the world, including english. one of them was william tyndale. william tyndale, a historian wrote, was singularly dedicated to the scripture isn't highlighted the king of england had them killed because he was translating the bible in order to get it to the masses. and what part of the pipe was translating? the hebrew part of the bible. the king madee him stand on top of logs have been dusted with

gunpowder, then they tied him to a post and set them on fire. but before they did, the cards asked tyndale if you have any final words and he said he did have final words. he said, lord, he prayed, open the eyes of the king of england. and three years after his murder, the kings eyes were open. hehe called kendell assistant ad origin toe continue and finish what tyndale had started. there are countless stories like this in history. this one that may be apocryphal that we tell nonetheless. the french philosopher voltaire -- i i also believe was quitee anti-semite -- is said to have boasted 100 years from this day there will not be a viable on earth, except one that is looked upon by an antiquarian curiosity

seeker. and i don't know if the quote is accurate but i do know this part is accurate. within 50 years of action after voltaire's death, the very house in which he once lived and wrote was used byed the evangelical society of geneva as a storehouse for bibles with printing presses to print bibles. [laughing] see, we as christians, we rely on isaiah 40, eight. the grass withers but the word of god stands forever. we prayed the words of psalm 18, got open our eyes we may see wondrous law. we believe the words of psalm 33, for the word of the lord is right and iss true, and he is faithful and all he does. and by the word of the lord, te heavens were made and the starry host the breath of his mouth

see, we believe that the bible is the most important book in history because it has changed our lives and it is changed our world, and we are grateful to you for it. and your values are our values. and i know, okay, that you, many of you, do not endorse all of our views, or all of our interpretation of your scripture. but we profoundly share certain values. the values that undergird everything we love inbe the wor, values which have held the world together for centuries. they were the ideas of god, and we believe that there also the ideas which inspired america itself. they are jewish values. we believe the history of america isn't a christian story. it is a judeo-christian story,

flaws and all. [applause] this is a country where religious freedom is enshrined in the first clause of the first sentence of our first amendment for a reason. and the reason is our shared values. george washington recognized it, and when he did he recognized it to our nation's oldest jewish congregation, as you know, when he said that here bigotry would have no sanctions. our founders were geniuses to put both the free exercise and antiestablishment clauses in the same sentence. but underneath that genius was a wisdom of god's word. see, so many of our christian values, they are jewish values, are very concept of god, the idea that there is good and evil, that our rights come from god, that every human being is made in the image of god, that

there is a divine order to this crazy world, the concept of free will, which we believe. even the ten commandments, with the exception of shabbat which we foolishly think two of left behind, we try to live all the ten commandments. we memorized them as children. and your heroes are our heroes. we teach our christian kids about your jewish heroes. theye are also our heroes. they don't always get it right. when our seven-year-old was four he had borrowed socks for my drawer and he got multicolored socks. he looked at my wife and said, these socks i like joseph's socks. [laughing] my wife asked our little guy, well, can you tell me joseph's story? alexander come with total confidence, not missing a become he said, yes.

joseph had lots of colorful socks like these. then his brothers to him in jail but he broke out of the jail, and he defeated goliath but then they he threw them in the lion's den. [laughing] the bible in one sentence. but we tell our kids can we tell them to be like noah. even if it requires standing up to the criticism of the entire world, it has they can always trust god. we tell them to be like moses. even when moses was washed up, depressed, on the backside of the desert, god still had a plan for him and it was the greatest plan in human history. he even had to send a burning bush to get moses attention. then god t used moses to set the captives free. we teach our kids about daniels take on the movable in the den of lions or among his friends throw into the furnace of an

unjust king. we tell our daughters to rise up in esther moments come to rise up to the task, and tell our sons to be like friends like jonathan. we pray for the wisdom of solomon. we pray for the courage of the prophets, the faith of abraham. we find inspiration in joseph's secured his path for being bloodied and a slave to rising to the very right in of pharaoh himself because god takes what the enemy means for evil sometimes to use it for good. we believe god still parts red seas. and we teach our children that the same bible, which teaches us about abraham, isaac and jacob, no and moses, esther and daniel, is the same bible which commans and then commands us to be a

friend of israel into the jewish people, to bless israel. and in the first book of the bible nonetheless, in genesis chapter 12:3 i will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you i will curse and all of the people on earth will be blessed through you. we tell our kids that the word blessing in the text is an active verb, not a passive verb. it doesn't justre require warm sentiments or feelings, but action. and we believe that the curse israel is a passive word. it doesn't require action. it could just be to be an active come to be passive, do not care that much, to be distracted on other things. in other words, in our churches we teach, if you stay silent

when israel is attacked, with our jewish neighbors are attacked, it is also an act of cursing israel and the jewish people. i felt this so strongly on october 7. that evening i was going to israel. the plane ticket booked. i was heading, all packed, my suitcase ready tohe go at the door. and i had two for our emotions i woke up that morning. as i looked at my phone and i saw the images coming, i thought, first of a dear observant friend of mine, a mentor of mine, a rabbi in fact, who i knew because he lives here, this was a two dayda holiday, not a one day holiday. and i just didn't know how much hehe would know about everything that was going on, and i felt like i had to fill the gap.

and as i saw those horrifying videos as i i scrolled througy social media seat and in the beginning as you remember probably never so many videos, many videos that it been taken down now. and i remember walking through the admission used before. visit with hundreds of students from a university. and i dwelled on that trip in the little garden for the righteous among the nation. and i decided in that moment that it was my time to answer the question what would i have done had they been alive during the holocaust likes i went to my wife and a set of not going to israel but you're not going to see me for a few days. i locked myself in my office and i began to fight what i knew

would be an information war, even as we called churches all across america to pray. secondly, my personal case, i felt a profound concern that we were going to lose the momentum we have built towards peace, which we've been building since the abraham for courts. in fact, i was planning on going from israel thatng very week on wednesday to saudi arabia that week in october. most of the energy of a dedicated to peace of the people can but other things but over my dead body wasn't going to let these evil terrorists steal the promise of peace that we've been working on for years. and it's in that spirit that our entire community made the commitment in aftermath of october 7 which persist to this very day, we decided that when

hamas are those who make excuses for them incite anti-semitic attacks on jews anywhere in the world, especially in our own community, that we would speak up and we would act. when they called a day of rage, we would call for a day of prayer. when they spewed hate, we decided we were doubled up on our love for the jewish community. but i preached a sermon at one of the most revered evangelical congregations in california, and i said in that sermon that we have the opportunity now to stand with the jewish people like never before since most of us have been alive, and this is what god expects from us. it is also critical. together, jews and christians can be an unstoppable force for good and for god, force double push back evil, because evil is exactly what we saw on october 7. the world wants us to move on but we must refuse to move on.

hamas with village to village and home to home. we will not move on from octobe. they had to jews because they were jewish. they slaughtered babies. they targeted the elderly, including holocaust survivors. they decapitated children. they put a child in an oven. they abused young women next to the deceased friends before burning them as david fahrenthold families alive. and those are the sanitized description and the victims were from 40 countries. it was intact on the entire world. it was demonic. it was satanic. and now as christians we must let our voice be heard and we must declare that we stand without reservation t of visual. we stand without reservation in support of the jewish community, wherever they are, especially in our country. we stand without reservation in support of israel's just war of self-defense.st [applause]

and i told thy condition as i told many congregations that war is hell, and like every war, it pains us to watch the innocent suffer, especially those hamas uses and continues to use as human shields. as richard torres said today, hamas is the cause of everything tragic that has ensued since october 7, and hamas alone should be the target of criminal prosecution. there are no both sides here. this is a moment for choosing. israel's enemies, they don't want a two-state solution. this is about a final solution. and as others choose the cowardice of silent or make excuses for terrorist, as christians we cannot remain silent. and if you have ever asked yourself what would you have done had you been alive, this is

a moment you answer the question. because you were sitting in front of your eyes history. and as we saw in such a task forms in the last few weeks that are most elite institutions, the demonization and they give him a generalization, double standards that were applied to the jewish community. let me wrap this up. in israel recently i had the privilege of visiting present herzog alone in his personal office, and we had an amazing conversation. he likes history like i do. it took me over to the wall in his office and he has the ruling his grandfather made to authorize the ethiopian jewish community emigration to show. and the vice chair of the board of the national fellowship of christian jews would help a lot of committees all around the world. he has the letter from harry

truman on his wall that was a hagift to him to israel by president biden. and when i sat with president herzog, i told him something i want to tell you, too. i said, mr. president, it may feel like 1938, but it isn't thinking 384 at least two reasons. the first reason is obvious. the state of israel. the second reason may be less obvious. there are over 600 million evangelicals all around the world, and we believe it is our responsibility to stand with the state of israel and jewish people everywhere. and what wepe have decided is if they're going to get to you, they have to get through us first. [applause]

i know the jewish community is strong. i know you are probably strong enough to stand alone. and you're willing to stand alone. even as anti-semitism rages. but i want you to know, you don't have to. you're not alone. because somehow, despite this terrible history between the christian and jewish communities of christian anti-semitism, which caused your community so much pain and lives with our community as an eternal shame, god has also surprised us by giving us an unusual time in history. we're in a world rife with anti-semitism. there are not ten christian scientist i come to the first,io scientist world conference.

there are hundreds of millions of us all over the world. and look, i live in america andd i know that there are some members of the jewish community even in america who would rather stand alone and stand alongside evangelicals, and i get it. i don't even judge him for it. my friend said to me, he said, i've been trying to understand this. she said, look, johnny, every 75 years or so in history someone decided to kill all the jews. for most of history it was a christian. and she's right. i don't judge anyone in the jewish community for keeping theirth guard up with either a christian or a morsel, a

politician comes to you and says, i'm here to help. but i want to tell you, we are actually here to help. and let me be clear. like us or not, trust us or not, i'm here to say, even if you don't like us and even if you don't trust us, it really doesn't matter. you can count on us. we will stand with you always. [applause] quite the opposite. i came here to thank you for converting as 2000 years ago. we learned so much from you. we have so much to learn from you. f and we probably have a lot to learn from each other. and asac i often do, i like to give my final words to the bible. and this time it will be second

kings chapter 6:16 where it says, don't be afraid, the prophet said. those who are with us are more than those whoha are with them. in that sentiment, may not have been true for most of history but it is true for now than ever. in our churches there is a song that we often sing. it's like a canterbury song, a newer song, written in australia. and the song goes, based upon the scripture, it may look like i'm surrounded, god, but i know that i'm surrounded by you. and that's what i have to say about that. [applause] >> thank you so much. we are going to open for

questions and just a moment. i want to share with you that right before passover, right before i shut down my computer i saw this message and is said, my dear jewish friends -- i also want to know what your focus on passover, your non-jewish friends will be holding down the fort, and in capital letterl not let thesequ anti-semites wi. blessings, johnnie moore. [applause] >> are there any questions that you would like to pose for johnnie? >> i wanted to ask johnnie -- >> sorry, please wait for the microphone. >> thank you. what an incredible, what a friend. how about the mainstream christian churches? we've heard from you evangelicals. how about the liberal churches? we seem to have problems with methodist, presbyterian.

perhaps some thought about what's going on in your outreach to them? >> i have three observations there. the first one is, the form of evangelical christian zionism that we are accustomed to, actually the mainline denominations with the zionist denominations they carried this before we did. and one of the things that's happening i think is there's a small group of leaders in those denominations that are trying their best to hold on, but they don't have to become like us in order to do what's right. they have their own history and theology. many of them don't know it at all. that's never won. number two, it's mainly i think politics has become so intertwined with religious practice that i think that many of them are making political

decisions. they are not making decisions based on the bible and theology, sorry, that's my impression. and then number three, i would say, and it's hard to say this, i want lots and lots and lots of people around the world to be dedicated to their faith, but they're also in rapid, rapid decline. and so they are blending in to the rest of society while other movements are growing. so i don't actually worry that much about them. you know, unfortunately there are a lot of, like bursting with our institutions, our academic institutions, there's a great historic heritage that they inherited and also includes a lot of assets that many situations. including, you know, large buildings in places like geneva, including very prominent seats at very commonou institutions around the world. the difference between evangelicals in between mainline

denominations is they sit in the places of power but they don't really talk to very many people. we don't sit in the places of power we talked to hundreds of millions of people. >> i would like to follow-up on that question, johnnie. and that is, understand what you said but, but even so, within the context of some of the mainline groups, methodist and presbyterians and others, we sometimes are statements that are so critical of israel. one of the questions would have to be, to did not realize what is being done to christians within so many of the muslim arab countries? help us understand how they don't, why theyee don't agree wh you? >> i think it's a great question and a a total quandary to me. you know, i think maybe certain members of the jewish community

that marched not only alongside many of our great black congregations in america, but also our great mainline denominations at a critical moment in history. you may have more of ability to communiqué to them than we do. there are certain circumstances -- communicate that we are all aligned on certain issues. i've actually had multiple meetings of the world council of churches where we talked about the persecution of christians in nigeria which by thehe way no oe talks about. there is a piecemeal caliphate formed in western part of africa. the islamists have actually learned from what hamas did on october 7, and wend are seeing d hearing more about these little christian congregations in the northeast of nigeria being the victim of these same types of atrocities. we've had some success aligning with them and went with them on

those issues, but, unfortunately, when it comes to israel, they are in a different place. it's not because of the facts. i don't know what it is. it is certainly not of theology either. >> hello, thank you very much. very t passionate. my name is j jan kaufman, and i would like to know i speak to the white supremacists among evangelicals. the sentence jews will not replace us haunts me all the time. and many of the people claim to be, you know, i don't know if they claim to be evangelicals but they claim to be strong believers in the gospel, and is very frightening to me. >> it's very simple. they are heretics. they don't believe in the bible that we believe it or they're not evangelicals either. some of them may come from communities where most christians are evangelical christians, but they don't reflect our beliefs. i wouldu also say there's a lot fewer of them than you think

there are. there's a real concern about christian nationalism and the united states of america. i get five minutes into conversation with friends of mine who are not evangelicals and the term christian nationalism pops up. in my experience, just be clear, evangelicals they do not have a vision for a theocracy in america. okay? evangelicals managers want to be left alone, two of their religious freedom, okay? this term christian nationalism isch a political term, okay? in the y same way the decision f the icc today also represents come some most interesting, he said this is not a legal decision. it is a political decision. i think an attempt to brand every evangelical the wants of a voice in the public square is being a christian nationalism is a political tactic. it doesn't reflect the reality. evangelicals want religious

freedom. they don't want americans to be a theocracy. in a white supremacist pop up, andth to do in certain places, i mean i'm from the deep south and the united states of america. every once in a while you will hear or see these things. weit condemn them, okay? it's just very often our condemnations don't fit the appropriate political narrative and they are very, very hard to find in that public narrative. >> thank you very much for being here today. a beautiful presentation. i still waiting for my neighboring christian churches to reach out and offer their support, condolences, anything, their silence has been deafening. can you speak to why so few are reaching out to their fellow clergy, or their fellow houses of faith? >> i have to know about your individual situation, your individual -- where you live, these sorts of things.

but i think the same thing is true among evangelicals and it is, you know, within the jewish community. first of all, i would question whether you reach out, if you reached out to any evangelicals church in your area, weather, i think they would come. i think he would meet with you. i think it would participate with you but they may think in, sorry to say this, but many circumstances because of her politics and the united states of america there is a business onto that evangelicals on one-sided outcome anybody else's set of the out and it becomes about politics. all it takes isnd one person crossing the bridge and all of a sudden what we end up finding is in america, we can play a constructive role if we know one another. this is the country where we can still get great things done without forsaking our own individual convictions. somebody's got to make the first step, and you should not have to make the first step duringh

october 7. but in the aftermath of october 7, but there are plenty of evangelicals that are content to pray in their congregations in santa monica and have their own prayer but they don't reach out to the jewish community because they don't know them. we have to fix that. yes. >> thank you for your remarks. it's well known there's a generation gap in america between younger voters and their views of the israeli-palestinian conflict. and older people. there was an article, i don't know exactly, before october 7 baby year ago in the "new york times" claiming that younger evangelicals were beginning to question evangelical churches relationship to israel and look at israel more critically, and wonder if you could comment on that? >> yet.

i have a few things to say there. number one, when it's like 83% to 75%, like it's a decline statistically. it's asi significant decline i dislike in the '70s. i think when you look at the data, and actually one of the things we discovered in the evangelical community acts are october 7 is a phenomenon i see among the jewish rent israel is that a lot of younger jews in israel who though, the historic period of these fights for the jewish community in the state oh israel where their grandfathers fight come maybe their fathers fight, it was the grandmothers and mothers of the previous generation, what's emerging in the aftermath of october seventh are all these young patriotic israelis who, you know, are inviting zionism in themselves and many were not may be passionate about as their records or paris.

the heroes of this war will not be another, an additional chapter in the same story with the same place. there are new heroes emerging and i think you're seeing an increase in patriotism. i still think that's a good word, which are not willing to give away to the bad guys. i think you are seeing of that initial.l. we're also seeing it as evangelicals. and don't evangelical churchess there are many, many young people who never really prayed for israel or for the peace of jerusalem or all of these things but since october 7 seven thee has been this profound intersection with the humidity issues they're concerned about and not with hamas, but with israel. they don't have a lifelong acquaintance with hamas, the palestinians, the palestinian issue. they do have a lifelong acquaintance with israel and the jewish community. from the time your little kid. i moved around a lot but as a kid in south carolina, i'm not aware i even met anyone that was jewish until i was an adult, okay?

but my church just taught me this. it's inside of my dna, and i think that's the case for me evangelicals. that's number one. number two, look, there has been a convergence, it's what i said in my talk, lecture a few minutes ago. to be anti-israel is to be anti-all western democratic values. that's what's happening now and you cannot underestimate what's happening in the tiktok world. in 2020, i was one of the early advocates for dealing with this issue in the united states. it's public on a sanction by party of china. but, but will decide the beginning of d this war when a letter by hosanna bin laden went viral among young people, like, we need the united states government and the government of democratic countries to stop link pattycake and political correctness with real national security threats. and make no mistake that thehand adversaries of democracy who

often do it under the auspices of democracy, okay, we have seen a corrupt form of democracy that is only synonymous with the popular vote, be the primary strategy embraced by the muslim brotherhood around the world. in countries all over, it almost just happened in kuwait a few days ago, okay? we cannot underestimate the most powerful countries in the world are trying to turn our values against us at his use our technology to do it, and it's also getting to our community. we have to pay attention to those things. number three, there's one prominent survey they came out, one prominent service sa few years ago that cited this drastic decline among evangelicals in their support of visual but they didn't actually ask and answerth to whether they supported israel. they asked whether they supported dispensational eschatology, which is a lot of people think this is the reason why evangelicals support of

israel, ever use it as a proxy that if you believe in this, then you support israel. if you don't believe in this you don't support israel. i think the way some of the survey questions are asked are giving skewed results frankly. every time there's any indication of any of these things -- and by the way a lot of the data on evangelicals in height is highly politicized. just look at the time of evangelical service. they all happened right before election season. in the united states of america, and i think there's more nuance to the data. i also think it's moving, you know, the other thing that happens with all religious grounds, you grew up in a religious community come when you're younger you go go to e community college, may you get married, you get away from church for a while. when your children you go back to the congregation. my seven-year-old, , who i told you the story about i believe christianity and there's judaism come there's no christian without judaism but i treat them as separate but my

seven-year-old has a mezuzah on his door so it always snet israel and has all these little things because we talked official english official at the jewish community in his sunday school class. there was as time in my career when i left university went to work in hollywood where he couldn't find a church. we were out off church for while and we had our children and found a congregation we love, it's not just us teaching our children the faith. the church is doing it. a lot of these young people the numbers will change as they get older. we don't have the committed infrastructure that, sorry, there are some of questions. >> thank you very much for that touching talk. i was curious, my experience with evangelicals has been uniformly positive in many sort of situations. the way you speak about it, seems there is a uniform view at least in regards to israel, maybe other questions in the

jewish people. i was just curious, is that uniformity or consensus, is a sort of a bottom organic, or could you give it a little insight into the cup is a some sort of organization where we as evangelicals are adopting certain positions and platforms ande then that's what is being encouraged or taught or spread throughout the church? >> what is interesting about evangelicals is that we are not like the catholic church, right? there are no bishopric some people take the title bishop but there's no hierarchy, novichok, archbishop. you influential based upon your individual congregation. if you're an author, local committee, that's why always say in this template when talks are evangelicals within the political context. i always say most people make up their beliefs about someone based upon who they know. the neighbor, they're good experience. in my case asth a young kid my family went through a dramatic situation. i had lots of doubt about i

think because of the situation. involved in that situation, and yeah, when i got kicked out of my private school because i couldn't pay the bill as a little kid and we were in poverty, i got put into this very, very violent public school. my youthth pastor from the local church showed up once a week to have lunch with me. and that's howow i formed my viw about my faith. it's not all these other things that are going on. by the way that's also the case in the middle east. one of my favorite sort of unknown parts of the peace between israel and the arab countries in recent years is like two stories are like to tell. the first what is in april 1978. camp david process had fallen apart between egypt and o usual. there was a delegation of evangelicals that met withwe anr sadat and carries a message from anwar sadat. hehe put them on his own airpla, sent them to jordan, they came to the border and the hand

delivered a message to menachem begin. these evangelicals played a part of it. the other story like to tell is of the uae. the first hospital in the uae, the first one was started by two evangelicals, a husband and a wife. they got in an all terrain vehicle. they went out in the middle of the desert and the net to shake he would soon found the uae. the action they asked if they could start hospital. at the time half a chilled and third at mothers were dying n childbirth. after that it changed entirely. mohammed bin zayed, president of the uae and abdul binns i, the former mayors of you eat and ambassador to you and the united states, they were all born in the hospital started by evangelicals. like, this is who we are around the world. there is no hierarchy. so your best remedy, if your

local evangelical church says something that makes you uncomfortable, intentionally or unintentionally, is to talk to them. study the bible witho them. you don't have to study are part of the bible. most of our bible is your part of the bible, and they don't teach us really hebert enter seminaries in the wayll they should. or hebrew context of the bible. i would say it's an advantage and disadvantage. there's no bishopric and make a single decision to change the course of everything, but that also means there is a certain authenticity to our beliefs all around the world and that's one of the reason why we grow like wildfire, including one of the fastest-growing churches in the world in the islamic republic of iran. by the waynd people 14, they wee praying for israel as some of those munitions were flying in the sky and the direction of israel. >> thank you, pastor, for your

friendship and your support. thank you, rabbi weinblatt, for organizing this important conference. i'm with the american jewish international relations institute. wethth work mainly on issues red to the u.n. and by the way kobe is a very good friend of mine. for those he don't know, he's an israeli podcaster an academic who did his phd thesis on history of christian support for israel. i think we're very close with you in getting his information. my question is, i know about your tremendous efforts in peacemaking and you've been decided maybe. you are about to go to saudi arabia. clearly something is change there is positive, but it's been very disappointing since octobeb countries that are supposedly at peace with israel including uae. not one of them has clearly condemn hamas. they're all at the forefront of

condemning israel. and all the excuses that the masses and so forth. but it is going to be peace there needs to be peace, it has to be real and they shouldn't find excuses to say the wrong thing. the second partin of that is african unity was happening in nigeria, which is horrible and you mentioned in a different context about 600 million evangelical christians around the world. a lot of them are in africa. africa is really important alliance for israel potentially, but again there's a lot of cowardice, a lot of the african leaders are afraid to publicly aligned with israel. there's a business of palestinian african solidarity and they haveal been silent sine october 7. there's diplomatic relations but at the u.n. they are all bashing israel. so my question to you, both as far as the arab countries and this was african countries, especially mobilizing evangelicals of their on behalf of israel. >> so a big question.

i will answerr a succinct as i can for first thing is, i view it slightly different. they're still peace with egypt, peace with jordan. the abraham of the courts. i don't like all statements come lots and lots of statement i don't like. i've a very long-standing commitment to p privately criticize and publicly praise with my friends. there are plenty of things i don't like at all. but i was in the fundamentals haven't changed. what makes all this much more difficult is u.s. policy. you know, the suez canal, 50% of the revenue egypt was getting from the suez canal is gone. .. hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of oil, mainly to china. all these different aspects of american policy that sometimes makes it much more difficult for our friends to do things that they want to and need to do.

i had -- i will say -- i won't be specific but -- and there are several examples of condemning hamas i could point to but i had a quite lively conversation -- i am not going to say with who but quite lively conversation with a friend of mine, arab friend of mine in the region and i said to this person, i said, my views on hamas didn't come from my israeli friends. my views didn't come from israeli friends, it came from you yet united states of america whether it forms to be or believes itself to be, it is delta soul superpower in the world. there iss no comparison and we need in the aftermath of relevance, a significant changea

in that's not democrat or republican thing. it is making it very difficult. there will be peace in a peaceful expand. an entire infrastructure which only enables the bad guys and we can't be polite any longer. a good friend of mine -- i don't like the public light very much. i'm a -- i like to write and sit in my study. for fun in covid i got into a ph.d. program. i am almost done with my ph.d. i am actually an introvert. but a good friend of mine before he died, he was almost 90.

he was an influential evangelical figure, globally influential. he said to me, he said, johnnie, if god blesses you with influence, you must use it or you'll lose it and it's the stewardship -- you have to be a good steward of your financial resources and other things. and i would say that to the united states of america. god has blessed us with more influence and more resources and more power and the pristine democracy, you know, that we inherited from people that are far smarter than anyone in politics here today, perhaps, and we need to be a better steward of that influence because everything we want for israel and for the broader middle east is on the table for us if we just make the right decisions and those decisions are actually moral decisions. it's about clearly seeing right and wrong and not being scared of american power. you can be multilingual and not understand a culture. by the way, you can be the average american and not speak another language and you can understand a culture.

and i think we have a lot of people in very powerful places in our government that think their education and their -- you know, the ability to speak multiple languages make them an expert. and sometimes the bully rule applies, specifically applies with iran. you know, sometimes you have to recognize someone's the bad guy and make it much, much more difficult and, you know, never bribe them. it never works. thank you. >> this year c-span celebrates 45 years of covering congress like no other. having you and your evangelical

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