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to share with you tonight, but i will highlight a few dr. carol swain is a roanoke college alumna, class of 1983. she majored in political science. we may have some political majo. she first started her work at some virginia western folks in the crowd as well. some of her professors are joining us tonight, including dr. bill stinguisheddential appointments. senior fellow for constitutional ■÷4 policy foundation, having also committee to the u.s. civil rights commission. shepolitical scientist, cited te times by t supreme. not everyone who uses her work cites however.

r television appearances include bbc radio and tv, c-span, abc's headline news, cnn and foxv#çi news. carol is a mother, a and a great des in nashville, tennessee. but that is enough for me. let us give a warm and loud marine welcome for dr. carol sw■n1? right. it is so good home. and prepared notes most of the'o time. bumetime deviate. and so this talk i give versions

of it in different places and this is my dei version. and story, when i do this the way it's supposed to be done, it's a performance. ver here. out on the stage, i and i■w say, come on, take a god look ate. and i can tell you that my life story defined as the prevailing narratives race, sexamerica. and tonight, i stand girl, bornd in cham sprague, virginia. and that was not too far from booker t washington's birthplace in franklin county. and so as you can see by looking at me black. wh you see is that i'm one of

12 children born and raised in rural poverty. and i my life in a two room it had no running water or indoor plumbing. t even have an outhouse we often scavenge for hunting, fishing whenever we could find. i the fact that no ound us.a squirrel was that would not be true of didn't go to school often. one 80 of 180 school days and body elementary school. and we all felt that year i was bullied because of my clothes or what i hadback in those days, hg biscuits in your lunch rather than sliced white gray, it was

something that could you to get teased. my siblings called me frankenstein because i have a scar that starts up here that runs to about here. i feel i was about two years old, so they call me franken stine because the scar was in the appropriate. and they also called me fish --. and anyone who'sák fish knows tt when they come out of the water, they have big bulging eyes. and so my siblings didn't miss anunity to remind me that i had big eyes. i s at 16, and i pregnant. it was my way of getting away from home. i age and as a■wcens. i have a great grandchildren. in fact,yrandson hezekiah is in the back and has

carrier, is extremely bright. he likes to tellveryon has a big brain. he now, according to social, they would describe people like me as underprivileged, a victim going nowhere and doomed to fail. and yet i marriage. i married a neighbor who was a feder. my was so low, i was thrilled thny me and the person i married. he had a car. had a job, and we were soon building a brand new governmen'5 home loan may be old enough to know about that program. all was needed was $300 down. i happened to be to the radio and my husband had his tax refund and we watched a brand new brick■u house being built fm

the ground up. this was while i was a teenager and i was living better than anyone else in my family. and to them i was rich. i've always had more than o and, that's caused me a lot of guilt and grief. ithe 10s and the 1970s was a time of recession. we reached the point that we didn't have much money or fd,bu. i had three children at the time and i can remember walking to the store once sapped mchest, y the hand. and i can't remember how i got groceries■ome. and it was hard times. but times were about to get harder. the last one i have two sons. born my baby daughter was named tracy.

death. and i struggled with depression. an suicide gestures. and in case you wonder what i mean, gesture. i would take a bottle of pills. i would make sure i got rescued. don't try this at home, because you may not get rescued. i make sure i got rescued and. and it'sí= considered a cry for help. i ended up in the mental ward of pital and. that hospitalization changed the course of my life. my doctor, dr. jeff, a young white, spoke words that would change how i saw myself. he told me, you intelligent, attractive. you could doot more your life. and i was startled. noadf words to. and i began toe tnk of myself differently. and i. that that was a time that i sma. and that was when i was in elementary school. and we mse■. go be out two weeks and then go in and make an

a or b. and when i say i. but that conversation was the impetus that led me to get my high school equivalency and take home. i worked in a garment factory. ' factory is still open. it was called maid bes it was in salem. it's still open. i only made production one time. i worked as a department store sales clerk. i saw smoker and around that tis i recall,here close to $700. and i even worked in fast■o food for half a day. i was so nervous and i was so shy. the line, i sort of gave them what i thought they should eat that day.

and the interesting thing is that as far as i know, no one complained. and i think it was e look so cute in my uniform. and at the end of the8, shift, i had my cell and i turned in my uniform. and that the end of my days and st food, it was american sierra that i worked with home who spoe words thatet in motion my thirst for education. one day in the break room, abu said, you ought to go to college. i go to school with a lot of people who are not as smart you are. until then, i did not know that college was possibility. and i can y didn't know college was a possibility because i thought you had to rich to go to college. and i definitely was not rich. thfacthat god used tonk about

different men of two different races, religions and backgrounds to speak of life into that would set the stage for who i am today. and so if younal journey, i sta, i school after completing the eighth grade. so i really didn't go to high school. all right. so i'm junior high school dropout. so i started my education community college, and i was a work study student in the library. and the night shift workers frequently called sick. that always created chaos. and because i was always willing to work. the library di david hillman, created a full time job for me, nights and weekends. i could take my children to work with me. ani earned a two year degree in b in two years. and and mymaster manager.

d started applying for jobs. and i was told i needed a four year decided i'd get a fo degree. also decided to become an honor student. so i studied books on i lookedf the majors that amount of math. i landed dr. on criminal justice and i gradually did froroan college magna cum leod while working full time and weekends t community college library. and i have toiq= c, i'm not a genius. no one uses the community college lits and weekends. no. the only thing i knew after graduation was that i did not want a career in crijustice. like a lot of other black people. i was g togovernment. so i went to virginia tech and i got a master's degree in political science in one year.

everything, and while i was there, i was was told that a critical need for black models. all i wanted was a job.d in y i appliewas qualified and me ant graduate, couldn't find one, at least not that i wanted tak80s. affirmative action was in full swing and at the urging of my professors, i applied to graduate school university of north carolina at chapelph.d. pn generous stipend. i think it mean, it was just so amazing that they study. lot of money.ack■e■e and whatevergures told me i needed to do for success, i did

it as a student. i gave conference papers starting at virginia tech, and i became known across the country. i was a hotevery job offer incla signing bonus. and during universities offered minority any those. pool. and i chose to apply for only two positions in american politics. ional scholar. those the jobs are paid for. and i chose princeton. princeton won the competition and i had a listx■ of that had offered me sign in bonuses had made job offers to me. i chose princeton because they recruited me the way i wanted to be recruited. they didn't fawned over me because i was black or tell me they hiring because you know that was a minority and i had a person i was told that

someone at duke said that if i believe what they were telling me, s tostduke. but they told hai wanted to hear that they had looked at applicants and i was the best qualified and i believed them because i had a harvard press contract on my dissertation which the foundation of my first bo and goal was to prove that someone from my background could take a position at princeton, earn tenure and earn it early. in fact, when i was hired, i told them that i was going to and and everyone said, oh yeah,, the guy that had my search who's dad, was a cop and his mother was■ a teachr and he was a blue collar person who loved the job, did it in one year. so why couldn't i do it in

three? and so i went up in the third year. and, achieved that goal. and i was time. and i was making more money than. i had imagined. and i won the career p, scient. at the time, it was called the woodrow wilso■r thnce renamed it i think is now the ianhey renamedt because woodrow wilson is out. and my first book, black faces black interests the representation of african-american kids in congre president harvard was so fond of. it won three national prize is and was i would eventually receive three supreme court citations and was cited in many lower court decisions. and i can tell you that i was miserable success did not bring

happs and exessed rejection from white white who accused me a g■ tood democrat at the time of being a because it share there were a view on issues like affirmative■sverty and race relations. i didn't fit their versions of how a black person should think or act. and i waswhisper, you don't neee the from. people don't need to knowmy stoo them. i i was never ashamed of where i came from. my success was undermining their narrative, and i was not living truth and i was being punished for my success. and it hurt. i believed and i began to doubt myself and the emptiness and the

misery sent me on the search for answers. and i've always been a seeker of truth, and i've always known that that was something much larger, me guiding my life. and i to find it. my journey took me many places and the turning point when i ended up in the physical condition that led to a spiritual experience. while i was there and culminated in a christianonvert again. and so my search for meaning and truth had come my recklessly delivered the i was at roanoke college i mean at princeton. i just struggled with shyness and dr. hill to get that 10% class pon that would read i and would readuestion or i' it and the paper would be shaken and ce wld be quivering and. if i had to introduce someone, i

ulwould be shaking. and i always behind thed clung . but after my cves delivered of that shyness and all of a sudden microphone and i could wade oute into the audience. and because. god placed on my heart that he had given me a messagege and i n the message. know an audience disguised as some shy people, you shy because you'reoc on whether people are going to laugh at you or you're going to say somethyou'r. once you take the focus off you and put it on the message that you want to deliver, then you can talk so i was the limit of the since and my caused me to reexamine the world through fresh eyes. i grew in my faith, i discovered more truths i'd been

indoctrinated. lie to deceive.on wa and i wouldand ignored and. as a political scientist, i find myself becing interested in what the political parties actually stood for. i looked i saw contradictions between what i believed and what the parties. and frankly, i was troubled. i had believe that the democrat square, the party for the working man, democrat, where the part civ r and republicans, the party of lincoln had abandoned civil rights, embraced white supremacists, habecomehe defenders of the rich. everyone knew that right telling that i was the victim and i needed the government to take care of me. and they had all the answers, hing free. they had answers for people. me. the answers were free, free

health care, free education, free daycare, free transportation, and free, free, free everything, free. noility. hakuna matata. life.rries hakuna matata■ to but i want it more so. i left the democratic party and i■ became an independent and the problem for me as an independent ich minds me of a story middl about an old texan who said that the only things! that's in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead. armadillos. so i revisited the party platforms again, and this time i looked more closely. the republicans and i discovered that many of the thingat thought or had actually taught in the classroom were actualli. i confess, i lied to my students

and and i learned by reading the party platforms. and this is me after my christian conversion. and that the republican party was closest my beliefs about liberty, equality, individualism. i'm like the poster child for individualism could never fit into a group of free enterprise, free speech and the constitution and after my conversion, the republican focus on god, country and family appealed to me as if an emphasis on traditional values. enabled to attain the american dream. so once again, i changed parties. i became a republican. and when i was with and i'm talking about the ones i was with, i'm not speaking for every republican in the world. i was embraced. i was welcomed. i was never treated as atered r. the people that i met cheered.

they celebrated my success because my success is an american story. it is an american success. and when i tell my story, the people that come up to me with tears in their eyes, many of them are older white men. they are veterans. they are people from ever ethni. because they tell me my story is their story. my is an american changing, acs changing. academia was no longer marketplace for ideas. it was■ñ now hostile to individl rights, free speech. and i'm talking about i taught for 28 years. and so when i started. you had conservative offices. you had liberal professors. you had marx. themselves. now there are fewer marxist ideas have been so integrated into the fabric of the ■.institution and that they do't have to call themselves marxist anymore.

time was that it became more hostile to individual rights and free speech and traditional values, and truth became a threatening and critic r was always around. when i was in graduate school, when i was teachinat princeton, we always had things on postmodernism and criticalras theories, but we what was happening was the demands for safe spaces, trigger warnings, personal pronouns, demands for separate graduations and separate courses sections. these were becoming prevalent. the demandfo speech codes and political correctness. d, know it or not, once you start ring themselves or, feeling like every statement they have to make. they have to give you a trigger warning because. it might hurt your feelings. that's no way to teach.

but it's also a new way to learn because the only way you actually learn is being is by being exposed to divergent ideas. and again, like maybeis to blame for my being a conservative because, you know, career, but when i took courses here, i got exposed to thinkers like thomas sowell. i like miltonike edward mansfield. i got exposed to different ideas. and these ideas made me think and and i believe that the education obviously the growing up college helped me■hical thino in many ways, ronald college is responsible for all the trouble i make in theand i found that ee search for microaggressions. do you know what a microaggression is? it is a perceived insult or perceived threat.

it's not an actual one. it'sik hallway, maybe, you know, i'm a professor, mai past you. maybe i didn't speak to you, maybe i spe to you one time, but we passed each other three times, and i didn't speak. you might take tha as a as an insult and think tt because something about you that your proorspeak to you or someone didn't speak to you when actually that person probab■ncqlyevenee you because maybe they were absorbed in their own little world. but it's almost like you are seeking something to be d if you're looking for micro aggressions, i mean, you're going to be torn up all the time to question. and i mean, i to correct myself because sometimes i see things and. i wonder where did they mean this? they mean that it's just in a way to live a it's after 25 years. 28 years, sorry iaddifficult dee

academia. nd sp out into the unknown. and so i've worked very hard to get my tenure, worked hard it eg princeton after ten years and went to vanderbilt, got promoted to fullorft academia because it had changed so much and i but but that's another long story. so i walked away from my tenure and i sppnto classroom. and today my classroom is the world. and so i stepped out. it out of academia, into corporate world and. i have the swain is is her own y that's my speaking engagements, my books, my work asol consulti. fld's death, i started realrg unity training solutions as an alternative to dei and the purpose of that organization was

really to hi organized missions, get back on mission help them rediscover the civil act of 1964 that prohibited discrimination help them just build healthier teams by focusing on a common missionn. every organization, whether it's a college or a corporation orfi. you were founded with the mission. that was somhind it wasn't social engineering. and it was so true with so many of the dei proams and sensitivity trainings that i became aware of was that they sometimes it was men that were singled out, sometimes it was whitngd out. sometimes it was asian, sometimes it was christians, sometimes it buedout people. it created conflict and division. so i started real unity training and then last year i started a siness your life story for

descendants and that has to do with i'm just met this gentleman who a fascinating and all of these are facts and as i talked with him it was really clear that arrangements to tell his story he was going to leave lots of money to his children, but he had never told his descendant as we sit down and work with a videographer i have a partner and we both do some of the interviews. we get people to tell their stories sometimes they bring in relatives and we create out of maybe 2 hours of interviews and photographed their artifacts, a 30 minute video. and if they want something, they really far ahead. and they're thinking about the celebratn life. they can also have some input in what they y to show. ca out the 12 books my mostitten

recent is the adversity diversity. and one of the things about my work thatve noticed is that i have been ahead of the game. i ha just i have a gift of seeing things before other people. and soyo m books, i tend to first 2000 to i published a book, the new white nationalism in ari challenge integration, and i talked about warned if we didn't changeng course, that we were going to ve unpracial and animosity. and my recommendation that we move away from identity politics and multiculturalism because was so clear that the multiculturalism element, the politics argument that they were dividing people, but they were also they were.th werg whitea] people.

they had grown up around racial and ethnic minorities. they had all of these friends, have an identity i'm being discriminated against. my civil rights are being trampled. divisions. so my solution was that move away from identity politics, plus the argument for multiculturalism. it, you know, that every group should their, you know, their ethnicity and they should do all of these things but drew the line at white peopleese young, e people thinking that's not fair. and at any rate, i suggested we move away from the identity politics. this is back20owar terican nati. and i talked aboutns that were being created by, race d t e time. i've always supported race neutral, means tested measures

based more oci class, where you had merit in social class. and so i put those ideas out st five or six years, i've had so many people come to me asking know?ut those ideas. and my book that claudine gave was so fond of black faces, black)[ book i talked a tategthat was being pushed at the time of joining those majority black and the argument that only black people could represent black interest and i did a study. ack members of congress all across the country. and i concluded that political party was more important than the race to represent it and wbetween black substantive representation and blackive desciv representation. you could have more black faces and, less black representation,d represent blacks.

blacks could represe w men really could represent women, ■ótative might not be someone, your group. and so that's perhaps that was the ideas i put out a long timem people to see that. and when the supreed in my work it had do with voting rights. so i'es. i'm going to pick it up. so i stepped out of my classroom into a new classroom. i written a coauthored 12 books. my book b, pemerica's faith promise was my first book for the general public. and most of the writing i do now is for the public because i felt like i didn't want to just communicate with my colleagues, that i wanto communicate with the american people because the things were taking place, were affecti them. and so today i use my knowledge, life experiences to give hope to the hopeless strategy for the

warriors and to the weary. what motivates me today is to see other people achieve success. so my idea. welcome to my new now session. that was jus■4backdrop and here's today's lesson. many of the things that we've been taught are told to believe are false. what larly our system, our or how far we go dermid by what we believe about the world. poe cannot happen if we believe the world is stacked ability to change our lives or our world eyd our control. we each have our own story, our own ur and our own destiny. opportunities are bam. we can take advantage of them, waste them, or allow others to keep us from seeing them and and what we believe about the world

and the possibilities in it. well, either free us or hold us in bondage. it's our choice i choose truth. truth that led me to for you to know and you c ftruth an. and it is truth that will set you which exactly what today's cultural elite don' kno. our lesson today is abouú its impact on our nation and we truths that we shouldn't be debating ocampuses. and some of these come settled settled science. and so these are some of the thin debate on college campuses, but we shouldn't be. it's th x y chromosomes that dein sex, not how you feel. biological mant, give

birth to babies. they don't --, have ovaries, identify as an animal does not make you one. the dna makeup not the same humans constitute one race. the human race science says we do sin. we descend from ab ancestor. and here's the big states thank egypt the pyramids. and even before and all of the ab oa package of lies that we are now calling d i diversity and inclusion. now oul on the but it's not the same as the diversity that we saw and witnessed after the psaf the 1964 civil rights act and would argue that i right, we haa comprehensive effort to across, and we passed four major civil rightseforms, the civil rights

act of 1964 prohibited discrimination on the basis of ce color, national origin, religion, sex. something, but it prohibited discrimination and it h later a. and that's how you got title nine thatrotected women's sports because. bemen in college did not have the same opportunities as men and so title nine that was part of the 1964 civil rights■■8 act protected women. we passedheights act, the 65 immigration and and the 1968 open housing act. andunder the law. of course, there was some individual racism that persists, persisted, because that's human

nature. but over the years, we watched races decrease to point that around the time that president obama elected there were many people that talked about america being a post racial society because we had made so much the civil rights act of 1960s opened up doors for women, for blacks, immigrant and other, discriminated to get discriminated against groups, but also for white men. er, well, how did white men benefit? they benefited. firstime, jobs were advertised nationally. and so it wasn't theld b talent that and i think this worked for aon race people would pick up the phone they'd call someone would ask do youand peos of people. they but once jobs were advertised nationally, people got to learn about rtities. they got to apply for jobs. and so it benefited everyonthe .

doors of opportunity for people like dei. and i want people at inclusion shine that puttingse letters together that's fairly recent but diversity was a aft the civil rights act because then recruiters were sent to sc job. people went to difft jobs. and so diversity itself was mein sought after, but it was not the same asdid af critictheory. it has marxist roots and it's rootedt theory. and when you think about it, it's a logical goal to think that something that's in conflict tor could bring about racial reckoning

affiliation and healing. how can you get reconciliation and healing out of conflict? i don't think you. soy is not the same diversity that we were seeking. after 1964. the kind of diversity where for people like me who are talented, es, people push. i had no thisse me. i had no desire ever to become a un professor or to go. i mean. to leave virginia. but there were people that pushed me and. my mentors did not look like me me. so that the diversity that we saw back there was to create opportunities for who had been shut out and was real discrimination that had to be addressed. we passed for civil rights acts in the effort to end

government discrimination and the e and equity. it's not the same as equal opportunity because i would argue that equal opportunity i benefited from it. i had an equal opportunity to succeed or an equal opportunity to fail. it all depended on me and what i decided to dwi time and what would surround the equal opportunity outreach scholarships and reducation res. virginia, west and i took re math when i majored in business, i to major in art. but i was told to be practical and becausi always followed my mentors, they told me to be practical. so i chose business and i had to take remedial math that i equity is focused on opportunity and nondiscrimination people that

are touted out fnt hires people are supposed to be rld that looks like america. we find there seems to be timep membership and the ions for the job. okay. and there has to be and the b stands for belonging. so it's d b and it seeks to bring people into institutions and make feel comfyeah, i mean most young peoe feel comfortable in their own skin. maybe you all exceptions, but i think that being young is a difficult time and people don't feel comfortable for the most and if you do feel comfortable, then you must be so arrogant. and■l dei comes years after

executive orders. affie action came from executive orders was not the law of the land. 1964 civil rights act. that was legisla ation passed by both houses of congress, signed by our president. but that was executive orders. president k before the civil rights act when there was a lot discrimination. and lyndon johnson signed the, i belin 65 that was after the civil rights act. and richard and richard nixon, the bll quotas. and so this is not something thatparty and in the 1980s, whei was getting my degrees it was thought that ronald reagan would sign an executive order and he action.lime and he did not eliminate affirmative. but all taken the

stroke of a pen to eliminate it because ernelegislation that wan the tdi sense. and so what we have is dei, which i say curse and a critical race theory that's an grve layer on top of affirmative action and civil rights act of 1964 and everything it was meant to accomplish. bethat has gotten lost the way and we're tolth way go. we're told that businesses and agencies must join the fight for social justice. and you join the f bestablishinu need to hire the office of former dia department adoptee policies and to make sure everyone feels that they belong. you set up these little groups where people that sharee, gendel orientation and whatever is, tht

th about the workplace. so you■ establish the affinity groups and, then y supposed to reeducate your employees about systemic r t ones and white are told that th r dna, that every white person has ■dile, even if they were born or in appalachia, and that grade and they're living some hollow outn the mountainside. are told that they havete ski■w privilege above someone that may from affluent familyei t personf that group identities and affirl rights laws, the focus was on opportunity but equity of the is not me opportunity as it is being

practiced. it strives for equal outcomes lowered academic for kids in college and university camses. and so we had a point now where we're told that institutions ste rs equal, equitable and inclusive, and they matinnermost. i mean, just take this just loo around at all the people here. do you really that any institution be attuned to everyone's innmo doesn't make a? no, itheyan'and what is happenit dei is dying. and what is some of the evidence tha'g? corporations are cutting their deep programs and, reassessing . there are states that have bann d heritage commission, and they voted to

eliminate mandatory dei statement for job applicants. and i can tell you this has ent, maybe that if you applied for a atan universal, you had to write a ste the or we going to doanyour position. i haven't done anything and i wasn't planning do anything. i just wanted to, you know, do whatever my job was. i just wanted to work. i don't know if in not you had to write that statement and i ld there's also people that game system wvanderbilt, i had consee them were extremely bright. of you extremely bright. you can beu can be outspoken and you still can make good grades, but i had students that would give liberal professors whaeynd they would le about what they wrote and how

the profeorre gaming the system and and so some people ge people have a conscience. they' notand there are people te walked away from positions, talented people at corporations, because they did nott o the sensitive training or they did it and they got offende me't i' job postings for have dropped according to indeed zip recruit and glass ceiling googleet and other tech companies have dance as their n investments. job ptis have declined 44%. 22 states and was from a few months ago had 40 bills to. in five states banned mandatory daca statements in faculty and administrative hiring and two

es■■1, flida and texas, ties.d the departments at state and what happened in texas is that the dei people just renamed themselves in probably doing the ext thing but in florida. governor desantis dissolved the programs, and so the people that were doing the had to find positions. why are they backing away? some of it has to do with lawsuit avoidance, because they and during the years that i have taught taught civil rights courses, white people, there was a time when they did not think civil laws apply to them. ■> but more and more whites are filing discriminaon complaints and lawsuits and they're winning those. settled now. and starbucks, they had a middle management person that was fir n was racist. she sued starbucksand back pay t

are being quietly saddled. manyf the race scholarships and things that w've been doing it forever. it violates the civil rights act bahen.w# but nowadays, people are actually filing lawsuits. d so lawsuits. borton avoidance is one reason i think■s that corporations are moving away from it. but another reason is that they are seeing that the don't e way they anticipated. and the supreme court last june banned race based college and un admissions. and the response has been by universities that have been vocal is that they're not to continue're not going to comply with the supreme court you, i was born in 1954. that was the year the brown

board of education school desegregation case,s a state that engaged in massive to integration. prince edward county closed their schools, i think, for about ten years, and it was. 68 before i attended to stuart e for a w but but that was because they decid ty we not going to go along with the supreme court decision. so that may happen with the affirmative action decisions and. my book, thety of diversity, one of the books that i have out there and maybe only book i argue that the same grounds that the u.s. supreme cour race based college admissions applies to dei programs because they violate the constitution'se andl laws in the same the is not working because it's

rooted in neo marxism. and some people say when i say■= neo, i used to say cultural marxism. and then all the encyclopedias and everything you go would say, there's no such thing as cultural marxism. marxism, but we can just call it marxism. die as rooted marxism. it uses change. and i would contend that racial and group healing can never come. a conflict■el and that the de industrial complex is in a fight for its life discrimination laws in our nation were adopted to "■á persons, and the last time i checkhi were persons to so they are protected racial and ediscrimine prteasell as women. christians are protected as well as muslimsbuwiccans and -- to p.

and is is the law of the land and the law of the land proct dn and the laws of the land need to be known and enforced and companies that continue to discriminate are vulnerable to lawsuits from the new victim groups that include heterosexuao th because of who they are. operating in the current the system n changing and it has changed and from discrimination and not just favor historically disadvantaged groups. y quietly because it's a multi billion dollar businessnd it's bad news because doesn't work, but it can destroy■rganized nations and institutions when comes to the corporate world, it

and profitability, it stifles i've had owners, founders of companies tell me that they are not comfortable talking to their ployees because they're afraid they will offend someone at least a costly decisions that result in employeeeparations. sometimes employees will not say anything if they're forced to ng that offends their conscience they just walk away and it could tal. and mostviolate our civil right. and again the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment to protect all persons and has brought about downfall of some esteemed institution actions. claudine gay and harvard. i thk applications at to

them 5%, but it should be down more than that. thelater protests that taken place on college campuses e students that were forced to participate in things to where to take a knee. i had a vanderbilt student contact me because she didn't want to be involved in politics in and take awas told that they knee. she actualt ne othe deans and exempted anyone that wanted to be exempt. itt didn't have to turn out that way. she was a brave person but she did that the racism anti-semitism that's taking place college campuses that's ■)because the dei and some grous are able to get away with things that other groups are not able get away with. and so we're getting to the end here. so myred it out, is that be revisited because they and the funds usedt

e can be better deployed somewhere. is there to achieve diverse student positio. i think that you can hire the best and brightest a they won'te white. the programs are costly and overstaffed. they resources from academic programs and they can tribute to rising costs. wonder why you'res so high at many places. that's one of the rns and. then i had this chart that you probably can't see very but virginia virginia ranks second university of virginia in the country with 94 deity of michige most has 153 at least at the place. and virginia tech was fifth in the nation with 83 dei

personnel. the average in the country is 42 and university of north carolina at chapel hill, you know, they're pretty progressive.■ they 53 and univers virginia and virginia tech have more than vanderbilt. so those positions some of those were positions pay almost a half of $1,000,000. so yeah, almost a half a millar. that's how and costly those programs and so i mean i'm going to keep hidden this half they violate the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment they alsorce people to participate in activities that they don't certain speech, if they force certain behavior, if they force people to wear a certain kind of ribbon or to participate in something they don't want to participate in, it can violate the first en and pitfalls it creates often conflict and

disunity. it encourages viewpoint discrimination. and the studies show that it does not create greater student satisfaction. so instead of dei. why not practice nondiscrimination, civil discourse like having no signs a civil discourse and. i thank you. tolerance and free speech. and so roanoke. first for having me here, but also for the fact the students, you know, you allowed me to speak. and there may be places where students are not let people speak when. they're saying things that are uncomfortable.ld consider reallocating the uh the programs to i can't

use some of that money to remedial classes. and i can tell you that if i had not been for virginia st and given me a foundation i would not have been successful. i'd run a college. i would not have been successful at virginia tech. my life story was at yale law school. you know, that was kind of like after been a professor for ten years. i decided wanted a law degree. so i used one of my somatic goals to get one, but mywould na success story if it had not been for virginia. that teach in virginia, westcolleges, they sel purpose because they give people like me a second chance. i had opportuni t didn't to take s.a.t. because purpose of the or not you can do college level work. and by getting a degree fr virginia and transferring to roanoke c able

to, you know, do welland use that as a springboard to eventually get into the university of north caliso you o outrch rec■8me factive and makit access and yep i program there are some colleges and conservative students want to bring in someone they make them well. first, the universities will not give them money to bring ia them pay a high security fee. and so they do eveth they to discourage bringing in conservative professors. d so that's not roanoke college. so you have a lot to be proud of and and observe it and replace and you and keep it that please. 0cokay,up we can

have diversity discrimination we should i think we should prohibit. segregated studentoncampus. i think we should not have speech and restrictions on ■>faculty and staff and that we should embrace e pluribus unum out of many one and that all of us must respect our constitution and civil rights laws. and so what that class dismissed. thank you. thank you i i'll be happy to

yes. thank you so much for your talk thisve the way we'll do questions this evening is the wonderful clara ■á student will be holding a micphone. you would like to ask a question. please come around and line up. she will notyou e microphone. she is instructed. hold it with her so just line up. ask a thank you very much ason for that. i've seen people take the opne and not give it back and someone has to wrestle it out ofwell. thank you, dr. swain. righty. right. so my name's frieda cathcart, class of 83, same yours. i'm so excited that you're here today and shared your powerful story. i think it's really important. i'm one of the founders and current board of points of diversity that was in roanoke

and has received it's really important to bring people gether, share their perspectives. you and i come from completely different backgrounds, and that's why it's so important to hear what you have to say and i just wanted to plant the seed ckground. come from a very, v the prep school that i went cost more than the tuition from roanokeolrporate activist now ai work to support hatred and the bullying that i experienced at roanoke lesbian even though i was ajanuary after 42 years of y i'm to make sure that my grandchildren don'tsame experied bullying that i did. d th important. and i'm capitalist. i'm not ativist. so there's a lot of diversity, a lot of perspectives. and i'm glad that roanoke college brought you here today.

thank you. well, you know, back when i was at roanoke college, i was so focused, my studie didn't know much about what anyone else was doing. i ju hady goals. so i didn't realize that there was bullying taking place. i will tell you that the black students that i met when i first professors were racist and hill was one of them. they told me not to take his classes, but whatever they. so i signed up for dr. hill's class. i met aan a in the classes, ands not a racist. he had high sards writing. hello, could you start? d u st explain why? you think dei is causing ri anti-semitism college campuses throughout the stas, ey you believe that?

well, for one thing, the campuses where they havehe and the proprieties sitting in groups, groups they are part ofhe proliferation of separate groups that own this col engagey behavior, they are groups that t case of the jewish students i've seen some of the jewish students that have been attacked and for the most part they were not the universities and i think that it's theic proliferation gs and that better off with, you know, fewer úhps. but the rise of anti-semites schism. yes. and cowardly administrators that have not stood up. and i think part of theros is t, you know, many of the people

ke wme freshman like i was an older student but when you come in as a freshman, i many freshmen like you don't know everything they're administrators making half a million dollars some of th $1,000,0 and they are letting from from my perspective, the inmatesun beca, you know saying that, you know, we have free speech or saying that people have rights or saying right way to handle a certainuaon. and that's some of the things that i have observed take place on campuses. i would like to see older people that are in positions of authority be mspeak up and pushe they do haveore wisdom and that at 1920 you don't know everything. and sometimes your pressure really do noarol swain.

so i'm a part of public affairs we read your book, the diversity of in anticipation of you coming here. and i have a passage i would like some clarification on okay so you mentioned that in a quote describe in new professor carol swain speaking on the panel about race relations said that white people have lost she likened the black lives matter movementdemocratic partyk blackway used the kkk said swaio they created the kkk. orize everyone in responseg to to questions swain stood by her remarks. okay, could please clarify how i can give the context. that was august 2020 and we had had 54 straight days of across

theountry following george floyd's death. and so i on park polic and. that was at the time a of us wed i was heartsick and i saw these corporations just pouring millions and billions dollars into black lives matter and into organizations that i could not bring about racial healing and and 2016, this was the yr that the $5 police officers were slain. a ves matter matter rally. i was on cnn and i believe i was the first person in america to point out their marxist roots because as i prepared for my interview, i went to their and they have scrubbed their website and changed four or five different times. y little about black people. it was all about complex and it

was all main. well, i mean, it was about progressiv agenda, but not about black people. and so i stand by remarks black lives matter. they have be aen exposed those when it has come to, the money that they receive fr corporations or how that went into the pockets of a few people it not even filter down to the chapters in various they did not get the money the money went to the main organization and the democratic party did set up the kkk and antifa. if youook at the antifa people if look at the cities they were burnedthat were killed in those right indie responsible for the to they got they either were arrest

all they got a slap on the wrist and so■ yes that's the context othemark some of 2020 i was speaking on the council at the council on national policy that is a closed door meeting. but a reporter embedded himself in the audience and he was fascinated by the fawas a blackg because his narrative was tt all white supremacists. they are not white supremacists. they're people who love america america. and they are different racethni. they arehi. first of all, thank you so much fodoing this talk. my question is pretty simple. just how do you feel about colleges andt university setting aside dorm spaces specifically for those who conserthemselves q

plus community said it was about what who setting aside dorm spaces for members of the plus community what you i'm going to always members of community even back when i was in■ at in e nursing homes like homosexuality has been around since time immemorial. think that the problem is when you expect someone else to sexual identity, i think and i know i have that community and they're just regular people. live their lives under the spotlight all the focus on lgbtq, too, has hurtying to live regular lives. and so i think that universal

does need to think very carefully about how they put integration, not the same as cl when i was a young adult and after the civil rights movement, t focus on integration, they wanted to bring in people were from orically disadvantaged groups, bring them into the mainstream so that they could participate and, be part of the whole they werert of the team. you were not supposed to self grat started getting into the black dorms. the separate graduatns and around the time i left acadea in 2017, there were some colleges and universities that were offering teourse sections for racial and ethnic minorities. likef u in a big class and you wanted to do your smallest with someone ofouown rd do that. i mean, that defeats whole purpose of the civil rights act that was supposed to bring about

tegration. and i believe it's a violation of the law for them to set up separate course sections and, separate dorms that exclude people, because of their race or their gender. so scholarship is incredibly valuable. part of to college being ablez■d it is incredibly important to those who do see a point i having scholarships that are designated ific s there's lutheran scholarship fund herut also sizable you believe that just to religion or do you see groups? lightk that all of those thing of our civil rights laws bau ans

will be brought and some of you ■qmay or may not know that as a senior here, i was instrumental. i wre proposal for the hamlin scholarship, and that scholarship has been for racial and ethnic minorities. there's a back story to when i started roanoke college and i ended up borrowed probabl0 for my education from undergraduate through ph.d. back in theig money. i paid it back very q. notice i pay it it back. but what does hamlin's scholarship that was for and ethnic minorities in light of where we i, i want to any transfer studentm rg comes froma

nontraditional background a n't think that in the 21st century we should have race d scholarships. i think that they be open to people that meet the criteria and the criteria and the main criterion should not be race. here. we appreciate your time. i justto ask you a question about cancel culture on college campuses. really unfortunate to see the level of just calling out of people who don't agree with certain apply, you know, the elimination of cancel board in different colleges where could we start and where should we go? well, i mean, first of all, again, i allowing me to speak, but i've

spoken at a lot of other college protests. you know, the sky didn't fall or thofhing. but i think that you need to be t&gyou cheating yourself out on education,ouparents are paying for you to get an education. and if you are justinin to be indoctrinated by professors that have a particular ideological viewpoint and all have to do islearned in middle d high school. you're not cheated. and i think tt el culture. and when more people stand up free speech and and i believe that young people want speech my last years teaching at vanderbilt i taught a course on the impact of marxismn. american political thought that class always had a waitingthat were signing up.

je students,t students, had california students from new yodents at just wanted to be able to because we didn't do political was trigger warnin, but i made it very that there weçf'5 no topics were off limit, that the gpeople had to be respo one another not a place where you went to self-censor. but at the same time, i felt it necessary to tellclassroom is ne for you, you might want to think about another class. and so they had plenty of time to make a decision to drop. and■/ thessin had a waiting because students most young people and you're in a sin on most campuses that there are students that live inomeone's going to turn in or they're

going to tell a joke and it's ridiculous, it shouldn't that way. thinking. and■f this will be our last few questions, but we've had a few good ones, so bear with us. we have just a few. all right. i thank youhe question that i have for you is what advice would you give to scared to speak or refuse to speak abouthe things that you talk to us about today, even after requests of supporike that? well, you know, something? bible where it says there are more of us than there are them, i can tell you that there are a lot of people who classical liberals, they're not1]■ christians, not i mean, they're just people that believe free speech. ey in the that i least that are associated with

republicans and used to be a 'm not going to say that they to be courageous, but they do but i think there are more people environment because they're not just coming to have it gives some of the people who have lost their jobs have been liberalt civil rights. they've taught english courses, then they've teaching particular courses. and they will say one thing that one student gets offended about. i mean, even asking a student, given a minority student a low grade or asking them where theid people to be suspendedtheir jo's been some ridiculous college ca. and so it's not conservatives it affects everyone who teaches. and so if you are committed to

academe make integrity, if you're■? committed to free spee, if you really believe in universities being a marketplace of ideas, then you should f■suppt the venture where it is a market of ideas. and i, i thi administrators need to stand up to student because it's not all the students. it's usually of two or three or a few vocal people,ll the students. and sometimes fac mbers stir up the students to get them to push a particular agenda. and i think that you need to stand that administrators need individuals. in academia being a marketplace of that we are get the cha to see you know coming out of thisism plague. i started toab as like a mixed blessing because i

heedidenti some of the but it also enables some st to cheat and just like a whole new world that people have to to learn but i think it's important i see like most other universities harvard hasn't done this they have reinstated sat tests because they moved away from testing in mit had moved away from testing inamity the engineering school. and i, i don't know what don't know that i would want a bridge built by someone from g the engineering students to make sure they understand math. but all of the schoo except harvard, the major ones, have tests reveal important things s need. it helps predict or not they're going to succeed. anso change a happening that happening

gradually and thathama accelerate. i thank you okay i i would just like to know your viewpoint on how you feel coming from an institutions as roanoke college thatk supports of the things tht you go against such as affirmative action dei and lgbtq plus, are you talking about for one day from an institution such as roanoke college like coming fromou feel representing the school that support i've away from roanoke college for so long i don't know which i'll do here. i■j noticed that in the chapel that there are not scriptures nging those banners. i they're quotes of um, iss religious. so things have college and you know, like, i don't follow the craft.

i don't care what hepeop do. and people that follow my work know that i'm of the curve and i'us could say i was always right, but that would be o arrogant. so i don't worry aboutt. i'm not against lgbtq to p, x, y, z people. but i thinkfocus on a group ande else is expected it, you know, to celebrate a group or put some groups on pedestals and other groups, you know they don't get the same treatment it creates. and i think as students you'd be just better off being individ males be who you are. you you're more than your sexual identity. you're more than your race. you're more than social class or wherever you came from. you're more than all of those here, get an education is something that you want to do focus on that and i think that you'll be fine ev ee

will be and the world will be fine. all right. thank you for being here. so cal. and if you're on it and you'll be okay. okay. if anyone would like to have a book signed, sitting back here. ■e