i adam lazarus is an author

specializing in nonf books featuring iconic and compelling figures inri history, including chasing super bowlmone diesel the hogs and thor diseas. he holds a bachen english from kenyon college and a master's degree in profonriting from carnegie mellon. please give a warm welcomtoadam. ank you very much for having 'm a nonfiction from atlanta, georgia, with few sporis last y. but i want to tell you about my

latest book, which in some ways book, but about a lot more than that. as you heard from no doubt from the title there, two main figures in my book, the john glenn, ted williams. i want to open up and give you a little bit of on both of them. so glenn. john glenn was born in cambridge ohio on ju 18th, 1921. he was a marine corps fighter pilot in twothe korean war. he flew a 147 combined missions, received 18 air medals and six distinguished flying crosses. he later became a military test pilot at patuxent river naval air station in maryland he helped create, conceive and execute something called project, which i a later. he was one of the first american astronauts part of the mercury became the first american to orbit the earth in february of 1962. he laterthe united states senator from the state of ohio, serving four terms presidential medal of freedom from president barack here's a photo of john glenn receiving his medal of freedom.

bubackground on john glenn's military career or major gleas e korean war. john glenn enlisted in the navy's v5 aviio program march of 1942. he actually in the army air program, but they didn't call him back in a couple of weeks later. he decided to stopt navy recruiting station. and so history might have been a little bit better, might hav been a little bit different if the army air force had called him back. he earned his marine corps pilot's wings in march of 1943. he flew 57 combat missions inthf 155 between 1944 1945 during world war two, his after the war, he earned his career marine commission in march of 1946 and spent the next several years serving at a variety of bases across globe in china, guam and texas and virginia. during his time at quantico in virginia, the korean war broke out and he was not sent to he was absolutely just apoplectic that he wasn't being sent to service during the korean war.

he pleaded with his superiors tt orders eventually writing months of letters to superiors. they told him to stop writing letters, but we'll send you to war anyway. so he received his orders for the korean war in the fall of 1952, and he arrived in early february 1953, at pohang at k3 a base in pohang south korea. there's a photo of john glenn the day he left for service in the korean war with his wife interesting about this photo as it was taken port columbus ai■@ ohio, not far from john glenn's hometown, about a littleter, port columbus airport was renamed john glenn international the other main figure in my book is ted williams. so who wwilliams was born in sa, california, on august 30th 1918. he played left for the boston red sox from 1939 to 1960. he probably best remembered 400.being t■z he had 521 home runs,wo crowns.

he was elected to the baseball hall of fame in 1966. he later became manager of the washington senators and texas rangers a few years. en sd that his one goal in life was to be able to walk down the street, have people say, there goes the greatest hitter that ever lived. a little bit more on that later. he too, received of eedom in 1991 from president geor h.w. presidential medal of freedom from president bush. and t bush. but a little more on ted williams background or captain ted williams. he was known during the korean war ted williams, enlisted in the navy's v5 aviation cadet program in may of 1942,o nths after john glenn, he earned his. two years later, he mostly was tor at pensacola's naval air station in florida. he d ncodu world two, actually played a little bit of baseball, utrons bombers, a team in the naval air training, lis, baseball circuit after world war two, he

was discharged to the volunteer reserves. he promptly returned to playing baseball for the red sox, helped lead them to their first pennant in over 30 years, almost 30 years in 1946, won the mvp that year, but he was recalled to active service in the marine corps in january of after doinge could to get out serving in combat again during the korean war, he finally realized he was in go abroad and serve. fenway park on aprild williams 30th, 1952, fittingly at a home in fbaleft, fenway park began retraining at a couple of different bases acrossing to fly jets he had only flown propeller planes, the f for u corsair world war two. and this was the beginning, the so he had a lot of catching up to do. he trained on a couple of bases and eventually was given combat orde arrived. k3 pohang south korea, february third, 1953. glenn is a photo in his hut they lived in these small tropical huts were actually from there were

left over from world war two and they were for the tropical climate. ate in north and south korea in february, it wa't much protection from the warmth and. there were three men tny littlee stacked next to each other. the one next door to his was was john glenn. so they weren't roommates, but they were neighbors. i've been on a book tour the last months talking about this book, the wingman, and rather than just keep talking at length you of the frequent questions i got astro in thee speaking at book festivals, on the radio and podcasts and things like thathed most often is. where did the idea for this book come and it's very simple. it comes from this, which is inside the book photograph appeared on a twitter account about three years ago on veterans day. it's a baseball twitter account that shows photos of lou gehrig and willie mays and mike schmidt and onday v■.etdedicate that 'o

and. someone and the author of the the count st t&v photo with a simple tagline something like did you kn trikorean ted willias john glenn's wingman and iá am huge baseball history fan. i grew up knowing all about ted iams statistics and 406 so my family visited cooperstown history. i knew all about ted williams. this isphoto, that image of ted williams was a poster putdeck, the rlnineties t actually hung on my bedroom bedroom wall as a kid. . and conversely, i'm ohio. you don't grow up in ohio dad who is a big naca ■5story space program fan used to sit me and my down to watch the right stuff as kids even it. and so i knew all about john glenn and klot about both these men, and i had no idea about this connection.

combat missions together. they were part of a very small fighter sqots go in the air at a time only 40 pilots were in the squadron the time. and so i thought it was actually very remarkable to learn about this connection. and i did my research and did some reading and yeah they flew missions together some very interesting, harrowing including landed.which ted williams crash and this is all in the book. but at the time i didn't know if there was a book there. w v interesting story and. it was something that john glenn covered in hisilliams died, reporters wrote about it in his obituaries. friendship that had spanned decades, weren't best fen.t spdr vacations together with their kids playing in the front yard and going doing barbecues together. but had this friendship that lasted sort of ebbed and flowed over the decade and when i found this story that when john octob, you probably remember at the age of 77 years old, 36 years after to space.p seven w

and one of the people he drove first, people heolabmission was. he drove to his house in florida on wanyou to be there ted williams wasn't in very good health. he was in a wheelchair he'd had ■fthree strokes, but he wasn't o miss john glenn's return to space. so it was sort a heartwarming story about friendship to me when glenn actually launched up in his discovery shuttle, ted williamswheelchair from the laud at cape canaveral. i thought it was a great story. going was bragging all about how he knew john glenn and served with him. and this photo here is, actually, they had a welcome home party for john glenn when he returned from his eight days, and one of the first people to greet him, greet him there was ted wliams and this is a photo of them seeing each other after. john glenn's first time returning to s■ce another. i get asked is what is the title of the boomean? people who know their military aviation or any kind of aviation prob■b■= but in the marine corps during this time in thkoan

squadrons were made up of groups of sections and awingman and thd the wingman follows. and whatever the leader does, the wing man's job is to respond. and john glenn a report for his superiors after but before korea, he said in his report, the wing man' ahead of g else is to stick with his section leader. so in the marine corps, during this time in the korean war, the leader always a career marine, someone who hadexperience, had t training, combat experience, someone like john glenn and the wingman was often a reservist, either was very young and didn't have experience or was a reservist and hadn't flown in years. ted williams so after a while john glenn and ted williams got paired together as a whole story th book.w that hne but john glenn was the leader and ted williams his wingman. but there's another definition of wingman which i think maybe a younger crowd knowsut maybe guys in a bar helping one of them helping buddy talk to a

girl that he has no business talking. webster's described it aa male friend or partner who accompanies and supports a man in some activity. d you'll see that john glenn ted williams, the sean glenn's wingman during the korean war in the air and combat during service. but later in life, particularly when ted williams really later in the ear00 h dying was in the hospital in san diego siden fla. several times calling him, visiting him in the hospital. i came to understand and this in the book that towards the end of their friendship john glenn wa wingman people who know a lot about either man and especially about both men would be probably to learn about ted williams john glenn's. they were total opposites every way ted williams was loud. he was kind of a handsome guy with long, wavy conservative. his big supporter of the nra, ood friends with richard nixon, even helped president.

he was married and divorced. mes. he didn't have very good relationship with his children. erything i just said was a pretty much the complete opposite of john glenn. john glennas■y same woman for 73 years who he knew since they were together in he two children who he absolutely adored he was a devout presbyterian. williams was something of an atheist or agnostic. he was a republican. john glenn was a democrat. maybe not the most liberal democrat, but he was a democrat and they were polar opposites in every way, whether it was their politics, their worldview, their religion, the way they had eir personal life and their family. so friendship is very as unusua. so how did they become friends? and the simplistic separation is that they served together in this war and. there is this band of brothers mentality, a photo of them discussing some maneuvers or some situation on the their base in korea.

so i think their friendship was born of their service together. and if you read the book, see that they had at least one very harrowing mission. it was their first mission together, john glenn believ i was going to result in his court martialed. so their friendship had something of a baptism fire. so that's how their friendship and these are just some details their missions together. this one mission i outline here where these starsp indicate where their targets were and, the circled area in red there, the details of a mission that mission that wound up with john martialed. but what i learned was their friendship grew out some similarities and most people wouldn't understand and wouldn't an think, help outlines that ted williams was absolutely■-■÷ing he did hitting baseball, fishing,an airplane, all of his passions was if youpibook the science of, which came out in 1971, which players still read and is still a part of baseball training lore

is so andte basically too complicated for a layman to understood. i understand half it talks about the cosine and the angle ans down the swing rip he was obsessed about the details and even his manager later, one of the things that made him a great hitter was not just his batting practice and undersin game, but he obsessed about how tight his shoes were and has his shoe laces and he broken his jerseys in his pants■ weeks ahead and broken bad months ahead time because he was so obsessed with the exactly how john glenn went about his career is nascar career, his time in the senate was actually something that hurt his political the details, writing bills and rt active in developing the ofault to arms tat

his fellow senators because he slaved over the details,ndane, s that most people probably overlook and. i think this is something that maybe it's not something they talked about, but i think it was a understood one another thatthe other thing that i came to understand how john glenn and tedafter the korean war. ted a national figure. at the age of 23, he joined the he was probably their best hitter right away. he wasúo other. than joe dimaggio. he was the best player in baseball. and very early in hiseer. and he was a national figure he was certainly a big figure from the day he joined bostin the maw england area. but he was on the cover ofis isf him on the cover of life magazine so for the next about 60 years, he couldn't walk down street without people wanting an autograph or photograph or to shake his ndr to talk to. so he understood what it meant to be in the spotlight all the

time. for john glenn, it was a little different. ly a national figure until he joined the nascar program, particularly, he returned from his three orbits in space. he was 41 years old at the time, but here's a photo of him on the cover of life magazine, and that's sort of the way his life changed forever. and he was a national figure for the next 50 or 60 years because ofo and aca. and i think they both understood they belonged to the public. hter told me one time that they were in africa. many years aft the friendship seven mission in a small village. it didn't have a lot of electricity, no television, very little news. and even they recognized there. so neither one of these n of their house without being b now, how they handled that was a completely different story did not alth his fans to not get along with the press. i think he did not like being in the spghjo glenn turned down a handshake in an autograph and he was certainly a man of the people. but i think it was something that they really saw thread i'mn

d what type of research i did for this book and a lot has been written about both men john glenn and ted williams ted williams, wrote an autobiography came out in 1969, told his whole life story up until the time he was about 40 years old. 50 years old many other biogrape been written about him fulllengy ben bradlee junior out a couple of years ago. that was john glenn. he wrote an autobiography towards the end of■syéis te several books have been written about john glenn's career and his life. you know, newspaper articles, articles and those were all good for understanding theture of the story. but i was able to cover uncover a lot of very original archives and details. one of them was i collected two or 300 letters written by people serving in the korean war at the base that john glenn and ted williams served. some of them were written by pilots who served with john glenn ted williams writing home, telling their families, oh, i saw ted on the base today. i flew this mission with ted

williams that helped me understand the life over there. what ted williams celebrity was like. i also was able to get about 20 or 30 letters john glenn wrote home to his wife annie and his children the war and then helped again paint of the details about their missions and, what life was like over in the base and. ted williams wrote tenng the korean war, and i was able uncover thoshese firsthand detas of what they were thinking. when i go forward this is actually a letter to john glenn wrote home to his wife in may of 1953, ted flew my wing this morning and was all bubbling over when weotwhat character kid up john glenn's impression of ted williams some of the other neat archives that i uncovered were commandmane fighter pilot,e squadron. they were in, they kept very meculous notes of every mission. what planes flew, what pilots fl what targets they attacked, what weaponry they were carrying, who the missions, whether it was successful. they hit targets.

there was a crash, so those were really useful for me to what happened on every ■nmission ted williams and john glenn flew. but the missions, they flew together and actually, i was really fortunate to hundreds of pages of navy and marine corps personnel files of glenn and ted williams ted williams underwent some serious health problems during his time the korean war, and these declassified mirroring marine corps and navy files helped me pieceg on with ted wi. so those were all really neat archives, best resource i had for at least the korean me was was able to interview three pilots who flew with both john glenn and ted williams in the korean war. they were still alive. they were in their late nineties, they very colorful details and colorful and shared avarnished opinions. one of them that really did not like ted williams very much. and all those details are in the book. but onof them was a man named woody woodbury, was very interesting. he was a comedian he had some success inollywood.

he hted one of the talk shows, one of the game shows that johnny carson hosted ft to go host the tonight show when left, woody woodbury took over he had sool sixties, comede and i had middle during his service in the korean war on the left is photo of him attending a birthday for ted williams many years after the korean and on the right is a photo of him with john glenn at some kind of event the mid sixties. so talking to woody woodbury and a couple of the other people who were actually on missions with ted williams and john glenn was a really great resource for me to recreate these images of these two men flying missions together sportswriter by nature and a big history fan, there on later part portions of his korean war years of his baseball career. haveeen asked i mean on podcast, this baseball sports podcast is ted williams thetest f all time. there are other claimants, babe would certainly be considered

the greatest home run hitter, arguably time, barry bonds, who steroid aided made a lot of records and broke the home run record and actually broke a lot of ted williams records for walks and on base percentage or to the younger fans like my kids, mae o wouldn't know ba like shohei ohtani you know plays for the dodgers, lots ofer through baseball history of who was the greatest hitter of all time. ted williams. ted williams, in his rookie season in 20 yes old, hit 31 he runs, hit 327, had 145 rbi, which is far still the record for any rookie baseball history. he had 406 in 1941, the last man to hit 400. and no you, no one has come anywhere near close 400 in the years and the 80 some years since. and not tony gwynn, george brett, not rod carew, the long

00d williams. and this is his most remarkable hiee 8816 years later in 1957, at the age of 39 years old, he's still oldest man to played all of baseball and hitting. he had a career average of 344 which is third highest of all time. and the of anyone born in the 20th century at 521 homeruns when he retired it was the third st he won two triple crowns. the battingthird by mere crown raised in 1949. ting titles he would have won seventh if not for that mere percentage point win two mvp's. he rlly should have won five, but he didn't get along with the sportswriters to the more modern, sensible fans. his career ops which on base percentage plus sluggingpercenty to babe ruth. and of course he missed fivcñ n war and world war two. he may have hit 700 homeruns. have hit more than 714, which was babe ruth's record for many years, ha not five years in the war. so was ted williams greatest

hitter ol i think glenn would s. , i make case in the book that johnf all time, or at least in american history. and i'm still for a very angry email, someone or someone to come and tackle me in the parking lot after one of these talks to tell me how wrong i am about. ecause there are other claimants just as well, someone like charles lindbergh completed the famous transatlantic flight in 1927. i also helped thamican military aviation during world war two a great deal. chuck yeager in 1947 broke the speed un barrier fought in world war t kea and helped out in vietnam or someone like korean war pilot, navy test pilot, and of course the first n oon. but i want to make the case for john glenn is the greatest to in world war two. he flew 57 combat missions two air medals during his two years in the air islands, just during

hi time with marines in the korean war, he had received four distinguished flying cross, 11 air medals, led many missions du hhe of the korean, he went on temporary assignment with the airor eam for any marine corps pilot 86aber jet, which was much superior to f9's panther. heas flying with the marines and was in june of 1953. the war at the end of j really s until lateand in a ten day spanh shutdown, three soviet migs. he have been just the second marine corps ace during the e war ended and he didn't have a chance to get thewo me. in 1954, he returned, became a navy test pilot, and he broke somethingrecord. it was it was an unofficial record pilots could climb to 10,000 feet. he went to ohio one day and someone broke the

rd for this thousand reaching 10,000 feet in the air 2 minutes and 7 seconds he saw that. he went out in his jet the next day, in one minute and 59 seconds. that was just if, you know, try to take away anything from john glenn. that was john glenn a couple of designed and then executed something called project bullet, which was the first transcontinental supersonic flight history. fom sthern california to brooklyn, new york, in 3 hours and 23 minutes, which meantno had ever done that recod before. and it was a real marvel of modern aviation and it was ais idea and it required three midair refueling er tee cities across the globe, across the states. it was a very and harrowing assignment for him, but it was part of his nature and he achieved it. it's one of the things that really got him on radar of nasa when they were choosing nasa's in the lfid him get on their radar and become one of the seven

mercury astronaut. and again, five years after that, heabhi seven three orbits around the earth. first american to do so really got usthe soviets. and then, as i mentioned, 36 ye project stars 95. the discovery he went on board andnot some space tourist cruise like we see today people going up into space for 15 minutes and just being aboard john glenn spent eight days in space as a working on this mission as eight days at yeguinea pig getting blood taken every 10 minutes and monitoring sleep. but he he achieved that. my favorite john glenn was he learned he really learned his pilot's license in the summer of 1941 before the bombing of pearl harbor and his enlistment in, the navy. and he really didn't stop flying until he was 90 years old. two 2011, when his insurance carrier finally said no more, he he continued for four years, he

n beechcraft baron from home in maryland when he was serving in the senateo home in ohio when he was on when the senate was in recess colorao just the image of 89 year old john glenn flying cross-country, annie and in the seatflying thas it for so i think ted williams that agree was john glenn the greatest aviator of all time. i think he would say i just want to give my great thanks to the savannah book festival favfor for listening. and i'd be more than happy to take some of your questions. so my husband's a navala'sorry. my husband. a naval aviator. oh, okay. so he's best and i am curious, in any of your books have any r

subjects asked you not to wreoku in any way? that's a great the aside from a few sort of smaller characters m this is the first book that i've done where the principles no longer alive and. i was very fortunate. i'm not sure i could done the book without john glenn's two children. his daughter and his son were and they didn't give me constant access, but they were supportive and they knew i was telling the story in many ways of what a hero their was. glenn side of the book, i was very fortunate that they did not k me williams had three children that were, you know, sort of sole remaining family members. only one of them is still alive. shwrote her own book about what it was like to be ted williams daughter, but not a lot about the john glenn friendship or really his time in the militaryyou know, this was a new

angle when you're writing about people who books or lengthy magazine about, them. it's hard to do that without just retelling the same story over and over agaiin a way, wasw light on both these men. it was largely focusedd this friendship, because it was sort ofory. i think they were. you know, that's an interesting angle ofry. so they were supportive of it that way. o on a mission, this what do you y b■ eg and get into the archive. and if you're fortunate to have people that are ave earlier wasi hundred.ing a book on pe■le so how do you go about getting with the family,ettiarchive, tht all together and then you got to stt wring it? yes. well, once you have idea and you know, you structure how the book's going to come out and

what things you to pursue and what pieces of research you need to uncover getting the family cooperation is always, you know, someone like that or getting it's a big interview i've done, you know, some other sports books. i did a book on joe montana and, steve young, famous football them, getting in front of them to say, hey, i'm writing you. i want to do an interview is always challenging. it usually r favors, and that's sort of how it happened wit family, ted williams daughter. but least for john glenn and i told this to, his daughtersa, i don't mean to offend you. after when he had one of our conversations,ur parents like pack rats? are they hoarders? and she started laughing. she■aid at wbecause not when tht when john glenn realizs getting up in age and had already retired from the senate. he sta t much of his archives to the ohio state, and hepe found a school there,

the john glenn school of public affairs. and over time, ty collected virtually every piece of paper he ever encountered in his tithere. probably 5 million pages of fliers and documents and orders and times the senate briefings and photographs awards. he received hundreds and hundreds of banke's are in storage at the ohio state university. and i was able to go through those and just the korean war stuff. there were, you know, boxes and boxes, the saved the menus he received from restaurants. he went r&r in korea brochures from the silk ct to. so he saved everything. sowaha good relationship with the ohio state people. it was not hard to tremendously and cataloged. so i would just say, you i need box 118 don send this and that t was very fortunate this is during so th about

you know scanning and emailing me many things. sowas e best way to get. archives, first hand archives from john glenn, ted the of records in archives that ted that john gldi baseball hall of fame had a lot of his stuff. and as i mentioned earlier, inn requests, mostly with the navy and the marine corp hundreds of pages of his personnel files. so something called the korean war project, started by a father and son, have cataloged every squadron and unit andh of the military during the korean war. and they have that source. so it was easy for me to access so a lot of different avenues and then yeah for the people the three pilots who i was able to track down i you know people were interested in their stories. the articles had written about them in thein i tracked them dod

people were it's something i' df writing these five books is that if you tell people you're writing about them and it's not a hit job. and it's you're pretty open to talking about it, talking about their past, d history. becaus does don't forget, there's another side to ted williams i'm sure you have some internal about that kind of tender heart. you read the book, maybe teammates. so maybe you could just talk a minute about that other sidef ted williams reputatioanve been asked many times by people was as big a jerk as people said, and i on some days, yes, he was as big a jerk as people said. bu learned him over the course of writing this book wasrible temper. he didn't get along with. he could be■ cruel and mean some days, but he had a big heart.

he cared about people. there are i've heard other stories he would hear about an old ballplayer played that he knew he was never a big ñowh bills or wasn't was having trouble paying his mortgage or rent. g person's and he'd put a check in there or cash. so is anonymous. he went out of his way to help people all the time. and if you knowwas instrumental, helping expand something called the jimmy fund, which is a cancer research center in boston for children. ;sit it's helped thousands of young children from cancer over the decades. and he did everything he could whether it was financially of own money or helping raise money or appearing events or just visiting them in the hospital, spending time with them, donating things, he had a big people and he was rough around the edges and he said the wrong thing at times. someone told me a story that he went to with some friends and faust got tired of of everything and walked out

in the meal, didn't check. and that's kind of sums up ted williams is but there's him wh's clear that he cared about people. and i think i devegoodamount of. and i think i don't know if it's something john glenn ever really t abt or in him, but there's a probably the the centerpiecook is section. later in the book, when is being honored by themy fund boston in 1988 and they had this event him to celebrate his it was sort a it was sort of a half celebration of he had done for the jimmy fund and a half birthday party for him that the blic was invited to and john glenn was one of the six or and think john glenn that that if you didn't al something ted williams about how big his heart was and how much cared for other people andback . there's also a story not to get too far into history, but the -- league players didn't get their attention and color barrier wasn't broken until 1947.

andhe his induction speech at the baseball hall of fame in%> cooperstown. in 1966, he used part of his speech to say we should find a players who aren't in the hall of fame only because they were excluded he meant satchel paige and josh gibson. and his announcement thatsort or a lot the -- league players to get enshrined. and i■p think five years later josh gibson wasn't and not long after that satchel. so for all the things that ted williams wronge he write it off a lot of to of ted williams is s the players he managed with the any of john glenn's colleagues in the yes, i talked to most of johnteo longer alive. i did talk to a story in the book tewi

playing a game in washington when when john glenn was as part of tar■h days of nasa and he went to a game, griffith stadium in washington. and ted, john glenn was there, article aboutm. someone who was there and pete he said at the time hecouple yes happened. but right john glenn went to space. so everybody knew john glenn was and he said something like this thisuyg g taiclet terrible about this space stuff and we had no idea what he's talking about. he sounded like a y and i was able to interview him and he shared lot of his details. but williams rookie season was 1939. so the guys played with him aren't really still alive. did interview a couple guys who he managed with the senators and the rangers, but i didn't do muche as a manager. a lot of been writtenut and it wasn't really central to the story. his friendship with john glenn, the senators in washington one year john glenn in him went to

dinner and they spent some time together and that's in the book. a of the baseball story. i think great depth sort of his post korean war years th're overlooked because most people who remember about ted williams either remr his homerun in the all-star in 1941 or his homerun that ended career in 1960. so it was to me to showcase this particularly 1957 when he gets 388 at the agei■and didn'tl book because so much had written about his baseball career. but that was kind of the portion of his baseball career that i focused on. i had a greatend who served and in the koreadon't know if it sounds accurate, he told that they

fly their planes to get washed in japan■ç. and if there were 25 guys in the uaon24 of whom would take about 5 minutes uponower, shave, navy manual and they'd come back sunny afternoon to. the same guy would be there. that was john glenn. well, that'ourit. i would say that that's pbl exan the book. if you pick up, there's a whole chapter on aunt ruia recreation, which had another name that i won't share in a church b ihe bk, you'll know what i'm talking about. they did go in order. ted williams and john glenn. there's a really neat story about that, bu'understanding thi read the letters he wrote home to hisabt in. and even one of his trips onints

the earlier question. i think american history has of cartoonish images of bothnlot oa celebrities from the past. john glenn, not he hated being called, ow, exsc he in the righ. dudley do. do-right harry hair. sure. mr. mr. maureen was with the other astronauts sort of called derisively he wasn't as clean because he didn't kn image was he never drank. he never smoked. he never swore. stoddard told me that wasn't even found out there's again, i'm not going to say in the churc2nh, i've done one case of him swearing, talking about some some in korean war and he drank and there's even the photo i showed earlier is of him holding a pipe. so he smoked. so he wasn't as quite as clean cut as as history remembers that he would never go out on the town one night during the korean

war. i think he was very loyal to his wife. i think he didn't do anything wrong on his our that way. but as as straitlaced as everybody remembered. and he had his ties fun on our i'm sure there's a him the he woodm decided they nw piano in the in the officers ■#club woody woodbury would entertain the guys the officers club at night and the piano w't so they next na na will go over and buy a piano in japan. it's a great story. what he would write tells it's in the book that they werewaiti, the waiting for arnold to end. days. and john glenn had to just sit guard this piano for three straight days. and he was so angry that he was missing missions and his superiors are going to be mad at him. but i think he probably had a nice time. although, again,s remained in the archives of his time in r anr slacquer factory a

brochure brochure and so factory brochures. and one of the letters home, he thought about buying you this. so he was i think he probably did spend most of his time shoppior family. there's a really neat story. again, there. very not to take too muc time. there were a lot of very poor korean, korea near their base, h they sawm made friends with john glenn. and he didn't speak english very but he told john glenn that he didn't have enough money to buy a suit for school and he couldn't attend school. he was a little bit older. he was in his early teens. he, john glenn, went to the next he said, next time i go to r&r in japan, i'll get you this suit. and he he and anotherin this poor korean boy. so he'd go tooo busy during ourn our. but i don't think he was sitting bo for straight

days while the other guys were out on the town town. well, thank you very much. and.

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