of over two decades standing who lane, more jimmy breslin. she is covered such disasters as katrina and the new york state

legislature for outlets like ap and newsday. she currently for newsweek as an inst reporter. and inconceivable is her first book. she'll beh kristal knight who you might seen as a commentator on■or fox. or you may have listened her as the host of the kristal knight podcast hosted by newsweek. she is a graduate of the howard university journalism program. knight is also a political operative, founded the voting rightse. so please me in welcoming to politics and prose union market valerie bauman and kristal knight. good evening. hello. and before we get wanted give ub of background and do a reading

before we actually havee questis as well. you know, keep it think that wat introduction. thank you so much. for little bit more background i was 38 in the middle of the of time. it was now orars later, i'm actually pregnant finally and have a baby the way very soon. and it's just been a really long, strange journey and. i came across this world and i just realized it was a story i had to tell. little bit a aspects thisaj ands from 11 of my book. ■-■qcongratulations. you're a father. trent arsenal couldn't have expected federal agents to appear at his door demanding to search his home, but in 2010.

the self-described christian version became the first ever private -- and, for osment, thed research. seeber sent arsenal a as and desist order and threatened him with a $100,000 fine due to his prolific private d year agents s door andrchi home on four separate occasions. the california man made 328 donations to 46 differrecipiento get them pregnant at the time, his efforts had resulted in 40 births. the number rose to at least 25 throughout the federal enforcement. ■+■uthough abstained sex. trent had every six months and had been

providing fresh --, primarily to lesbian couples free of charge. since 2006. seeber said that because trent through a bank or clinic and hadn't had the extensive and expensive weekly testing andnthn quarantine of -- that all -- donors must complete. he was in violation of federal laws anddonation of biological , yet wide evidence of even more prolific iopatn today, the fda has not gone after a single -- donor since trent was forced to shut down personal operation more than ca ago. now that freelance -- donation is exploding the agency will soon need to grapple with how regulate growing form of reproductive activity among private americans. sievers sole foray into fray via

trent's case, only served to raise an=ncomfortable ethical and legal question for the agency, which may be the reason no freelance donor has been targeted in the same wayat circe government tell you not to eivenother person? the fda is strictnd c -- with a known donor aren't re quote sexually intimate partner of the recipient. the problem is that the government has no clear defiti partner, an admission that became central in the tnt's case. in fact, silber asserted in that case the plain meaning of the words do require further explanation try. trent and others contend that having someone's -- in your body via artificial insemination qualifies them as a sexually intimate partner partner.

and that continued exposure to that person'-- pregnant pose no additional risk to the laws governing donation.vie■ trent all freelance -- donors, but also because rnown -- donor but go through clinic, say, instead of the back seat of a volkswagen, could also forgo the costly freezing and six month quarantine that would otherwise ivf. this could also help eliminate requ■y clinics for psychological evaluat contracts, among other bureaucratic init interpretation than is actually the law of the land in his meaning that state one homen 70 isn't achievedv sexually intimate partner status for any given recipient unfortunately, fda held the trends assertions about how to

define sexually intimate partner were merely an effort to skirt theand in 2012, he was ultimatey from din unless and so he complied with fda requirements and obtained written permission from the agency. so we'll stopt's give her a rouf applause. ashley. first, perspiring right? i'm like ten months pregnant, we also that you're pregnant. so i this conversation one by stating i wasinvitation interview youwithu backstage. i froze my eggs during the pandemic and so is something that is so important to me that i really care about. and i never about the opportunity or of, you know, hag a -- anno through a bank or ferli

so this was a very, very interesting read. so thank you so much even iting is book. but the first question that i love to just explore book, you talk about a number of different women, men who've gone through the process. why dedicate space in the book to talk about yourself? you could have just written thie else's different stories, but %ry throughout the book. and that is soubackdrop of thise story. that's a good question. as a 20 years, i'm not really comfortable being part of the story. it's definitelyiar. me. i think the number one reason is i felt like i to be honest with the readers that to tell this without making it participating in the world felt

dishonest and i also just felt from a writing■g perspective tht my own story made sense as a narrative spine, as i was exploring different aspects the world i came across different elements thematically, whether it was legalw, encountering you know, prejudice amonglosed, you know, offensive things. me chapters as i just went through my own chronology. so it really worked out very well for the writing process. that's great. th' you share with this really in th boe with us how you began this discovery ofm finding men who wanted to donate their --. and one of the ways and i went to the site you talk about facebook and how facebook has been a catalyst for so things because it's surely of the first if not the first social media platform to spin the longest.

it's the largest, but you you walk us through in theook thess you find people inifferent parts of the country who say i'm willing to travel or i live in id a quick facebook search and i found area, but that never occurred as possibility to me outside mediums like. how else have traditionally have won trying to get pregnant found -- if not through bank. well, there's a lot ofs i mean, i think that that you found a lot of times inhe seventies and eighties there a lot of lesbians who looked to their gay male friends to help them get pregnant. the dawn from my research, the world of freelances in like the early mid 2000 on ■%craigslist.

right. and then also some of the yahoo! message boards or aol kind of message, bulletin boards and chat rooms, up their -- or say desperately 2$■wseeking. and you would have these anonymous transactions and lot of the men, the -- donors were drawn to thithere just a recurrf men having formative early sexual encounters with. you know, an older woman, woman o wanted them to get them pregnant and then that suddenly was an iue to be scratched. and they sought out these online spaces where they to pursue pursue that andbut all some inner craving. right. and when you're talking about le are donating their --, you talk about artificial l insemination and the difference between the. what are some of the■c/d thingsu were warned a woman?

that's looking through a eithera -- form, which is what the book is discussing worrying about the selection process. you did t writing characteristics. you talked lot about, you know, questions you would ask on the first date or on the first f ■qtiwhat are things that people should be aware of that folks juyo? know, could be out here just really trying have sex and not being sincere about the donation you know, i'm still actively involved in and today i probably posted three or four times comments on somebody who is, you know, looking for a -- donor, i need week. number one, take your time. i mean, whether you're going a . -- isn't -- isn't --. --. this is going to create a human

being. the that you're getting comes from a real human being who has r mol compass, who has their own personality, that are ■pgoto b human you raise. and sowrgency i have lived urgency. and the atesesrati of just wanting to be pregnant, wanting to be a mom. but you can't rush tha■( online world of freelance -- donation, because therarthere. there are problematic men, there are men with breeder breeding fetishes. let's just say it. and so so i■ç think fact, the number one question is always, is your motivation, why why do you want to do this? and i think that they're the one that i'm most comfortable with that i don't there are men who have a biological imperative to create more

children than they can reasonally care for. and they see this as a wfhelpino do that. animit, who just trying to produce dozens and dozens of. bu know, is some way that i can get you an casion kid out there and just, u know, not just humans living creature, you know, for the most ical imperative to reproduce, to giv. i don't know why we're on earth, but for me, that's the lyanswer. and so i do. es it. but you have to really be careful. take your time, come up with yoo you. and if you say blue eyes and blond hair, i'm yeah, we want certain physiological traits in our kids, but who this human being going to be are? they going to be a good person.

are they going to be happy? you know, are they are they going to be curious inherently? and i was drawn to the world of i can find that out by interrogating a can't learn from a -- bank.

right. that's that's so important. when you talk about freelance --. in the book, you couple and this particular story stuck out to me because they they found a donor. they got pregnant. they had the baby. and two years later, they broke up or they they separated. and it felt a little bit about like it was about deception in that one of the women ended up donated the -- and she was able to somehow in a legal■u former r woman off of the birth certificate. what are thes like that particuy for sx couples that that could happen that you know maybe they fall in the person that t'e

married to or the person that they're with and that they birth this child with. if they're not the conceive or hat could be a reality. them that just felt it felt icky ed and i felt for the woman who was on e winn. ah, th wcase of oklahoma. it's in the state court. i think wdifferently, federal . but either way, want to protect yourself. the short is if you are a lesbian couple, even a heterosexual couple, couple using donor -- that is not from a bank do a second parent ■óadoption. that's the only way you protect yourself. e that name on t birtht, just havi certificate wasn't. so i lost my train of thought. there a little bit,aren't a lotd that's why i kind read the proportion that i read talking

about the sexually intimate partner. if morecs would get with the program and, acknowledge this adult, these two adults havegreed that person is going to be a -- donor to the recipient and we're going to allow them to proceed as if th' sexually intimate partners, but not a father role. then■call, the safety and the security of the clinic is going to run their own sting, their own every possible -- analysis. so you have that protection. you're not just relying documents that some some guy, you know, messaged you on facebook, but you writing this clinic viewed this person donor. they have a legal agreement that this this man is a --ould provie protection. at this point in time, california is only state that has made laws that actually

protect people who do home insemination. and i interviewed debra wald in book the a■vutso think there's k to be done in thisng of the law, particularly aroundeb rather ads itlegal contract that is not jut an agreementike you, you know me, we're agreeing you're going to give me --. but e' legal and you explained in the book all of that that she asked you. you weren't prepared answer at first because we don't think about that when we're naturally just thinking about to us a litt about just the legal aspect and why important to have the legal you know the legal documents in place because people evolve people's feelings change and that piece ofally for you your n and also for youryou have a nots

that are freelance --. a lot of theore men don't want to sign these contracts because in a lot of cases, the women have later use those contract to prove that their later and attacked. anecdotally s■ms more likely that men will end up paying child support than women will end up havto cus because these e producing so many kids they dn all of them. right. but at the at the day, the laws are different in every as i said, other than california. but you want to talk to÷e■w a lr and you people will print off ternet and think that does the job but this is a case whereworth money. i paid $1,000 i've heard0 state. get a lawyer to do your are.

the other thing is, as deborah walls, the author of the california law, said, if you haveex to t pregnant, congratulations. you're a father. at it bottom line. if you have sex with a -- donor, around. he is that he is the father an'. they don't like it. deleted get really angry comments from the men aat and they don't want it known because a lot of these guys are just yourself legally pca family. wow. that's really good advice, icul going freelance -- donor roe talk us a little bit as well. just about this movement for women or parents who are deciding that they want to be

single. they're single parents by choice. tha'th book. what is that process it really i guess investigator doing this as a journa a■nd wbook, how have yw this route, particularly in the alonewell, my mind is kind of gg inirecons. on the one hand, i think, you know, the elephant in the room, health care in america is outrageously expensive. absolutely. there's no enough coverage for fertility. there. not everybody can afford. i mean, if i hade point where i am now expecting a baby next four years. if i had paid every you -- donation i mean i would have spentoç an extra $30,000 than i already did going ivf and other,

you know, medicaid cycles and things. so the cost is a huge thing. driving to thisld other elemento talk about am, i do consider myself, i'm going to be a solo mom ■ c planned a this ws not my decision. didn't choose to be 42 and not have a partner. i thought i was going to get the fay everybody else. it didn't work out. but does mean i can'bet mean i'd family? i can't accept and maybe some elements of that are selfish. but going this path pursue singrhd in way where i could meet the donor my is has agreed to letters with my child and then meet at age 18. they my kid will have more access and more information his ancestry than a lot people from going through -- banks. ew i'm to be a selfish.

i want to become a mom and i'm not going to give my kid are's e decision and then try and put him first. i loved i don't think it's selfish. i think is your choice. it's your it's my own hang up. i don't project that on anybody else. me right. i mean because you're one of the things that you said to me de the decision to freeze my eggs is that■t i ctr from the man or my partner or whomever it and i put it back. i put myself back the driver's seat, andabout birthright. you're your choongu've chosen to in the driver's seat about the fate of having a baby and it's about if i have a and the thing that's so inspiring the way that you decid toent d include all the

other stories. and even in the book you talk about journey and the instan y know, think it was five eggs, but they weren't able make it heembryo at feelinlike you wanted to be depressed. but your mom canga life and gave you the energy you needed to. go through nexfor many women, 't and there'costssue right because it costs to freeze your eggs. and then also, if it's not id you decide that i'm going to try again? because for people they would say, hey, i just wasted 15 or i don't have it again to try again. talk to l about not only the strength to do it, factor, because there is that's a real thing. it's a realo&!reality. the cost is is tremendous. i mean, i was fortunate that

have fertility coverage. there was a lot that ' covered. i mean i spent tens of thousands dollars to get to this pointé÷ and. i'm grateful for the coverage that that i have. as far■4 going. i just i couldn't give up. and therespoiler. there is a part in the book for and i needed to get some mental health care and treatment deal withof t myself i may never, ever have my mom ad have a child to love. and i think so many of use to the world of -- donation

through a bank or otherwise, e we've been through grief, whether it's grieving know, your lesbian partner can't contribute half the donor whether you thought you would be married and having a kid. so many different paths bring people to gamete donation and usually those paths are lined with grieft's amazing the t emerges in the midst of the darkest moments of grief, i c that's that's fair. but that's fair and that's helpfu who's listening to this, here and peoe thinking abo something been thig about words advice that you would give to someonentemplatine

route? well, i t your time when choosing a dor from. take your time making the decision i would say find your teammates. i was so fortunate to find a community here in washington d.c. a fellow aspiring single mothers bycahe the i called us the wannabe mommies i'm now the last one of us to get pregnant kids but su'r best friend who has three kids isn't going to necessarily get it.oesn't mean you love them less or they love you less, but you need people who are in the fire with you to hel■q you get through it and so i in having people on your side who understand when you say, i

really can't face another baby shower when it's been three years and i still am jerk and te like, no, you're you're allowed to important logistics leigh i would say going back tog your vetting your donors know whether it's the -- bank or not just make sure you're asking the questions. and it's realñ get sucked into, well, i want a baby curly hair or you know you know they better be over six feet tall. these aren't the things that matter. you're not going to love your kid more or less based on how they look. but i think you do want to have a kid who's going to be compatible, who you are and your and looking at things, even on a -- bank looking about this persn does for a livingndthei passions are.

so the best that you can, who we ar so much more important than appearance and that'what isearch. well, and i have to ask, because you're activelys this book really helped how is i mean, obviously you're a month you're a month congratu. congratulations. but how has this been therapy for you as been going through your own it's absolutely. been-ds it was so wonderful to have, you know, a fohe distraction, you know i wr on evenings and weekends is not easy, especi when know so much of it is journalism. you have to interview people and talk it really helped me kind of channel my energy and times when i probablylde just turned into a puddle on the

floor feeling. sorry foit was like, well, these important emotions. i better write this down.i bette advantage of it while i can. any appreciate you forust and like , how i begin this story with all the other s anecdotal for te book and for the journey of of this process. i want now turn to theience and see if there are any questions. i'm suretions because is such an interestingop just if there's ae and about her process and about the book. hi.■ds. thanks so much for sharing your

story. a little about how you came to to the place where you were ready to to take on being a single mom, you know, having a career all your passions and, then making real space for a baby on did you say how did you figure it out and how didbuild ? what was that process like? i great question. ifirst, i want to preface this ■a know. i'm having a baby of my own, but that doesn't m men. i think men are great. i'm going to have a little boy who's going grow up been through so much with so many men, said, yes, i want toth you. yes, we have a future. and it didn't happen. and then i said, i'm you know, i'm 38 in the middle of the and something i realized the way was, youedia celebrity

43, 44, 45. having babies at what they don't tell you is the huge amount of cost that goes into they don't tell you that a lot of eggs. they got donor eggs, which is fine. that's valid, valid path. but it misleading and. you go to the gynecologist your whole life trying not to get pregnant and maybe your doctor will say do you want tki someda? that's the end of the conversation. we are being failed by our medical community for, not talking to young women about fertility and about preparing ourselves to make choices independent of men because i'm going to go off topic a little bit, but i feel we are in hookup culture. men are not as bound to family. family.oman am hard. and i just realized i can't sit

ait r a man to make that happen because i was out of time and it just hit me. i think with the mortality of the pandec around, it's going to happen in this onyx. not ideal way. it's not going to hapat what i t can i live with and i couldn't live with not being a mom.so ita decision out of necessity necessity. so this is a question about the hardest of writing the book. what section was the most m2 through? writebo who. that's a good i thi was. process of writinge

a loss. i had i had a miscarriage and i lost my baby and, um, that's when i ended up nesome mental h. and actually it was a year later i thought i would be okay. then the first mother's day that i was supposed to be a it. and then having explore that ond finaq1gott grip was really scary because i didn't want to go back tohi unstable and knew to for the sake of my readers, i needed to be authentic and honest andit was e window into those feelings again. so that was definitely the hardest part, i would say. and feels authentic. it doesn't feel so pie in the

sky like you. bad celebrity. and we see this culturea baby at 50 and we're just like, oh, i can dohat. you're right, money is different. and i didn't even think the donor eggs we were talking about donor --, but of them have acct the eveday d< doesn't. andtibo actually reading it for me made me realize it's a possit are a u walk us through so many ex in the book and the ups and downs right like the rea life. so when you when you ask the questionutwas the most difficult thing and you talk about the miscarriage that's something that a lot of women relate to. try again until you're successful. but that's also the joy 28■in t.

and i think that's the joy in reading and actually seeing you th the baby, with the belly that there's there's a happy ending. there is a happy ending. just and i'm so ateful that i am where i am. and not everybodyoes their happy ending. that's that's the sad thing. that i think that getting to this point, it's just poetic that my came out on tuesday and then, you know, a month later i'm expecting to have a baby so it's a big year for me and it'ally come together in this really unexpected,ul w. and i just have to give myself over to teaccept that things a you want. but maybe they are the way they should be.

wise, very wise words are there other questions or comments even about, okay, i see two hands. thank you. i'mhat you had being a participant, also a journalist, what sorts of challenges you had navigate pitfalls experience? um, yeah. we'd love to get your thoughts on that. and another great questio just to repeat, in case anybody didn't hear that, so how did thg a journalist and a partici? reat first, but and i think the toughest part for was wanting to do justice by the community of men who are online -- are problematic, there are so many who arethere who arg

dreams come true the way mine dreams have been made to come true. and there was a l of interesting among and so i really had to challenge myself say, ooh, you know, this is you know, this is appalling to me when, you know, when when talks aboutu know, they don't even enjoy sex. it's conception sex that gives me the willies. it know about you, but but i had to try and really and because i was part of the story, you know, my my editor at you feel about that and that part was challenging but i think it also my journalistic up. you know, one thing that struck me was, e --onors who talked about we need to realize a lot íh■fng men are --

donors, grew up i remember life before the internet. it came around when i was maybe nine. thesmen grew up. they never had life without internet, without free access to easyhey had, you know, video games that make women's bodies look■+cely unrealistic. and social media, which makes it harder for you to interact in real life if all you is in this pseudo woink a lot of n struggle with their they don't know how to be men. anwomen who have been wronged by men in theast to turn your nose up at that. but i would challenge ushear these men out and if they are struggling in their masculinity and to know what that means, you hear the word masculinity without the word toxic before it, and that's unhealthy for society, my opinion. and so to hear the how some of

these older donors, more experienced donors w coach the younger donors and say, you can't treat women, that you can't behavend insist every woman have sex with found space where men could be men■d■n together. sometimes that turned out not, but sre w mentoring happening and so i th■5 because of my journalism background to bring it back to your your question, i was able to push back being part of the y trying hear these sometimes uncomfortable perspective then i hope i did justice representing in the book. bit. yeahnen the back end went up front and here have come across any bias from dicacs process. mm. ñ!

i have an entirehapt which is called dr. patronizing. i, i had a doctor who was so insulting to me. i ended up switching i ended uc, but, you know, he'apped t egg rd they hoping to get five eggs. they only got three. was woke up from a and i had a post-it with number three on it and it was circled and it made think of when the guy broke up wi post-it note, i was like, this is how you communicate this toau me and. when i finally got to talk to hi set my expectations? you were telling me, you know, eggs.ere expectiiv and he's like, this is exactly what i expected. it's not my fault your eggs are ed and walked away

had a question, his answer w, i have 34 years of experience. it's like, congratulations. that's not the answer to i think that i'm just so tired ofalwoman. i am fortunate. i've ced care. i know how to advocate myself, i know how to work the system. but i'm so -- of having to just come unit kate with me like i'm an intelligent adult and like i here for my life to have my dream of, being a mother co true. this is a this is as it gets. so anyway anyway, so obviously it started as very personal joury fo you, but at what point along there did you decide? was tha moment? you're like, there's a story here that needs to be told. that's than me. washe impetus for the book specifically, not just for your personal? it was soon as i came across the wld, freelance -- donation. i mean, i was going through cebook pages. i kind of stalked them a little

bit before i actually jumped but just seeing the conversations that were happening it stopped now, but initially,man poster picture and say, i'mki -- donor, i live in you tulsa d the donors would say, did was as if she had no agency in deciding who her -- donor was. and they would get into these littlek ti about, i was here first and it's like, this is not your decision, sir. and i just felt like this is nuts. like there was still enough there that made me think this is i love to have a donor that my could have more access■t= to. but i just it was such a wild west. i was like, i got to tell takes me. so thank you good quesonand spew

that you've shared in the book. in one of your own was just about going to retrieve -- and going into a random bathroom and putting your legs up. and i mean, how how did you do that? i mean, you talked about gettins out to meet a man and you guys it didn't matter if it was a holiday if it was raining, if it was y.but he would consistentlyt you go into thn' restroom, and.out, give you the --, a then you had this long ride back home into .thats it. i mean have you like that's a process and. you documented it in the book. so i'm just curious like what did that feel like? i'going to get this freelance -- i'm meeting up almost like i! alley, although it was in a back alley. going into the men's room. i'm going into the women's room. i'mtting back on the train like.

i'm going to get a coffee like, yeah, it wasn't easy. i tried to go throuc and and i went to that doctor patriz ■ting and said, will you let me use this donor? s-d he said, no, you can't. and wait six months to have his -- quarantined, which again goes back to the legal element of how do we define a sexually iatner. it's like if i've had this person's -- inside of me i think we're good, but i in my head just had to think of it asnical. you know, this is know this is a transaction. this is clinical. you know, i could be an intrauterine insemination, but i'm not. this is my option. and itdetermination. you know, i stillamazing to me i

did it and i can see ishocking . t it was it was only way i could seeg my kid the access i wanted to to know where they came from. yeah. in in the process. so you also talk about how genetic testing is and seti, of course you found it as a different hurdle of the freelance option of -- or is this something that, you know, you would do normally throughout if you're going through -- bank? if you go through a -- bank, all ven't touched on today is the huge problems and the testing that doesn't get done i banks, which, you know, theoretically they psychological testing. but you know there's a very famous case from the zyrtec bank

where guy donate --. he produced, i 33, 36 children that they know of and. it turned out he wasn'tmusician. he was actually a convicted criminal. and psychological he had he had a schizoaffective disorder. and a lot of the children produced this kid via a -- bank, which is supposed be safe, had various mental health problems as a result. so i think my research on the -- banks, i just i didn't feel a whole lot more going and that's just one instance. and the other thing is, the -- thehave lots they have lobbied actively against any gumit how children and how many how families can be donated to andow children produced.

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who are producing lot of kids, i was able to fi guy has helped ten families. he's done. there's a facebook group where, the different women who have been can join half meet my kid d other half siblings. that's to me. i know thiser there some element ofstut■ñi anr question? yeah. well, i mean, i think what your wha' difference

going through a -- bank. th the genetic testing. the size but i thinat you took us through just you're not necessarily any more is that any more secure going a bank than doing it this freelancearly witt example that you just shared around thiso has who's helped f? that's a mored have access to the other women, they haveng y and interacting with your child. whereas a donate up to two or three families or whatever their regulations are. and i think that's that this is a this is better option than going through a bankcause of the that the medl system is set upnd, because of the the judgment. i mean, even about doctor ■vizg the way that medical

officials just kind of treat prw i don't know it' me i don't condone it and i don't condemn it i think every prospective parent needs to make own decision about what's rit fo them. for a lot of people, the -- banks do feel safer and in some wa me it was if i have a prospective -- and i say i need youta new sti test, and they say, no, that's the end of the conversation. are will hem and haw and they think he's got those blue eyes. i'm going to i'm going to let this one slide and. i paid for my genetic testing and, did go through the clinic forultimately. so and i had i had the first tho iset your own done. if you're a carrier for something it makes that very t risk it. i'm a carrier for spinal muscular atrophy. no one in my family er h that.

but it can be a devastating disease. a lot of kids are bo a within the first couple of years and so there was no qios going o work with a donor who wasn't willing to do the getitesting. but you do have donors both and. so there'uarant. but how many married couples in theronormative normative, you know, tradition get genetic testg done all of them, you know, a lot of them know what they're gettingo.so 'o you.the balance that's right got it. got it. and i know we have maybe like wrap. so if there there'do whave okay. i'm getting the signal that we don't have time for. a last question, but valerie, want to just say i want to close this out and just say i really time to not only share this, the

minister that you've shared throughout this book, but also your own personaur and. reading this book has been truly inspiring and thank you for sharing it at large with everyone here and folks that are watching this. i'm a little bit later but thank so much for writing inconceivable and we wish you the best next month. thank you so much, all of you.

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