now. so thank you for being the person sitting in the other chair. >> well, thank you so much for doing this, and thank you for your leadership on the court. >> thank you, everybody. [applause] >> thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> coming up home with agree secretary alejandro mayorkas joins press secretary karine jean-pierre at the white house briefing and will answer

questions following the attempted assassination of former president trump over the weekend. live coverage when that gets underway here on c-span2. >> c-span's campaign 2024 takes your life to milwaukee for our coverage of the republican national convention. tune in live today as delegates from across the country to another to select the republican nominee for president. watch as it may have their priorities for the next four years and their party's vision for the future. the republican national convention live today on c-span, c-span now or online at c-span.org. c-span, your unfiltered view of the conventions. >> and we're back in 20 us for the next half hour is our land a once, the north branch of the republican party of milwaukee county. welcome to the program. >> guest: thanks for having me. >> i want to get your reaction

to the shooting on saturday of former president trump. >> guest: first and foremost our thoughts are o with the victims, and just regarding what happened we want to definitely respect the fallen hero, also the individuals who were injured. injured. sad day for america. we are also going to pray for recovery for president trump to but a sad day. >> do you seest this as a unifyg moment for the country? to use it as potentially more divisive? >> guest: i think it has the potential to unify people of all political stripes. we are still maybe going through the grieving process right now i do think at the end of this convention moving forward this i believe will definitely bring people together. >> host: and what is the significance, orlando, for the

rnc being held in your city? >> guest: well, it's a tremendous boon for our city as far as the economics of it. but also it's a great opportunity for republicans and conservatives to showcase our platform so people can contrast from what they've been getting and what we offer. >> host: can you tell us about your background, given that you're a member of the republican party, worked very hard for trying to get more votes for former president trump? tell us about how you came to that and your background, your political background. >> guest: well, i grew up in the city of milwaukee. i grew up as a democrat and like most black people we grew up that we thinking us the party for us. until a surge of my own kind of awakening the policy. most black people on morally conservative but socially liberal.

but we still like our freedoms as far as having our own vision. we don't like big government or the man in our business. we want to raise her children and we still believe in traditional family. we believe in gun rights. so those ideas aligned away i responded. i was brought up as a conservative but we never called the word conservative until it started getting more politically active and start to see how different parties aligned with me and how they don't align with me. that kind of started my journey towards understanding more of the two political sides. i've been republican for over 20 years. very active in the party. i ran for office before myself. didn't quite get the results i wanted but that's okay. i was an activist and this time around i think these issues now are at a point now that a lot of people particularly black men are very open to hear this message about what is republican party and what can we do to online with it.

>> host: so orlando, this is a headline from "the associated press" this as trump want black and latino support is not popular with either group, a poll shows and recording here and ap center for public affairs research that says about seven in ten black americans have a somewhat a very unfavorable view of trump. what do you make of that and how are you working to turn that around? >> guest: with our project which you go to orlando for wi.com, we are targeting certain ward and city, particularly black men. the republican message deathly aligns a lot more with black men than black women because of e saudi i said earlier. one of the things we have inner-city milwaukee is one of the highest incarcerated zip codes inundation every year. in wisconsin if you're a felon and all paper you can vote we have been a target effort to go

after black men felons who are paper in particular and the response has been tremendous. i question some of those polling but i will say this. every incremental step forward to moving the new hire, and thus we have to do is move the music of we won't when you walk your milwaukee county but what we have sniffy impact? i believe we can and is always showing. >> host: we are talking to orlando always was the north branch chair of the republican party of milwaukee county, talking about the arun sees efforts to attract more black voters. if you'd like to join the conversation you can do so, he will be with us about 25 minutes. the numbers are by party, the democrats 202-748-8000. republicans 202-748-8001. and independents 202-748-8002. you can start calling an epic you can also text us at 202-748-8003. we are on facebook.com/c-span

and x @cspanwj. orlando, who would you like to see former president trump choose as his running mate? >> i'm happy with either of the kandiss crone i would mind myself being the vp, but maybe next time around. but i'm fine with all of the candidates. they will be great assets to the campaign. >> host: do you have a favorite? >> guest: not really a favor. i have some history with senator tim scott with his work in the opportunity zones. on another project i work on with senator ron johnson, ten scouted and part of that as well. the joseph project is a faith-based initiatives that we help primarily black and brown in the city of the walking find great manufacturing jobs in great family says in chapter in the city. another republican cause i general public collaboration that when he speaks again to black men and men of caller, people door may be below the poverty levels, that's another

initiative that probably moves the new talks not like high quicksands from our community if we don't have been working? this is a big piece of republican, the attractiveness of the republican party, that we have platform in place that can speak to results and not just talking points. >> host: what are the key issues facing black voters, in your opinion? >> guest: it's huge. employment issued. the cost of living. we just had a tremendous rate increase for rent in our state, i'm sorry inner-city come because of a referendum of a school system that is failing black and brown kids tremendously. they had the audacity to want to raise a referendum and the people of milwaukee did vote for. now as result of that property taxes are increased. as result of that rent will go up. so went, safety, employment. yet big issues of the city and i think we have a better path with forward as conservatives. on the same we are the end-all

be-all but our process and our way of thinking can yield a better outcome. >> host: and we'll go to calls now. orlando, this is really a first a democrat in maryland. good morning. >> caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i would like, you're just mentioned about big government. i'm wondering if he knows that big government came around because when it was in a state black people was not getting anything. that's why the company got so big. and and i would like him to en the difference to me. a lot of republicans say, compare january 6th with black lives matters. i wonder if he can tell us the difference? >> host: okay. orlando. >> guest: well, big government

is never good. i think there's a role for the federal government but the government that's closest to you has the most impact in your life. so nobody likes, and i hope you understand come nobody likes a government, big brother with a man telling them what to do, how to raise your children you want a government that's more close to you, more impact and more control over. our country was then on the idea of having hours in the states, not having so much power in the federal government and it has ballooned out of control. out of comparison between january 6 and black lives matter, is abyss. have have treatment of the january sixers is given how we treat all the protest during that summer of george floyd. although people are getting tickets only go from destroying property. business, no one was arrested, were not given warnings have tickets are dropped. compared to a people who came to d.c. in some a crossed the line, they're in prison. that's clearly a difference on how these two-tiered system and this is another reason why

donald trump and republicans are resonate with people of caller, people have been four ben carson because nlc, no matter where you come from the matter the money or your procedure would have case may be have a biased judge, allies d and unbiased jury, doesn't matter. can fall on you. well for israel and its put, this case has put more people and allies on some of the things that minorities and poor whites of also faced as well, to. >> host: just to update our viewers, , some breaking news tt is just come in. this is cnn.com that's reporting that the judge dismisses the classified documents case against donald trump. it says that judge eileen cannon dismissed the classified documents case in a ruling today, she said the appointment special counsel jack smith violated the constitution, quote, in the end it seems the

executive growing comfort in appointing court regulatory special counsel's in the more recent era has followed an ad hoc powder and with little judicial scrutiny. so that is a developing story. we'll keep you updated on that but that case has now been dismissed. let's talk to ray -- >> guest: amen. >> host: syracuse, new york, go ahead, ray, good morning, mr. owens. i'm glad a conjugate i had no idea that this week because of the convention that c-span is going to be on more than normal. so that's great. i'm thankful for that. because i saw your initial few questions that you answered, it gives me, i definitely want to watch the convention where, i'm usually too busy for that kind of stuff but i'm going to make an effort deathly. so thanks a lot for being there. timing was great and thanks to

c-span. >> host: yes, and way we're going to be on an extra hour throughout the convention, so up until thursday so you get to see us up until 11 a.m. eastern. any comments, orlando? >> guest: well, thank you. just keep the fight going. never give up. keep fighting. i'm happy for this case to be dismissed, but hopefully we continue just to focus on the campaign and keep fighting out there. never give up. keep faith in god, family and country. that's one of the messages donald trump is going to talk about bringing every together and that iconic picture of him letting people say fight, fight for your country. america still worth defending. america still worth having. >> host: james in corpus christi, texas, independent, your next. >> caller: yes. one of the things nobody is

talking about and i voted republican and democrat throughout my life, and like one of your other speakers earlier i had seen john f. kennedy, robert kennedy, all those people assassinated. when nobody is talking about is trump brought this on himself when he said first of all, i could go down on 25th street and shoot someone. i can execute general milley for what he did, he encouraged his thugs at the capital to hang mike pence. everything that's happened in the last few days, donald trump brought upon himself by the talk of killing and shooting. >> host: what do you think of that, orlando? >> guest: those comments are unfortunate. i pray for this for th. clearly he has fallen off the rails no one has asked for the execution of a sitting president.

unfortunately this is hopefully it is the minority of people or i pray for their young man clearly he is delusional [inaudible conversations] think, president trump there's any responsibility for the level of divisiveness, the rhetoric that's been going on in the country? >> guest: i believe donald trump is a politician who speaks in hyperbole, , for those who te every word to be an actual declarative position i think it is unfortunate. i mean if that's the case we have maxine waters saying get in their face progress cory booker say whatever they are make the scene. if are going to go down that path, democrats also are very responsible for the level of rhetoric who said donald trump is a threat to democracy in this country. diffuse the flames of people who are marginalized and/or maybe

somewhat delusional. so let's keep it a buck 50. that means let's keep it clear here. if you're going to talk about this let's be clear on whose hyping this rhetoric so passionately and so i to say this pan is a threat to freedom, threat to america. that's over-the-top. it's the on the pale. >> host: robert is in cincinnati, ohio. democrat. >> caller: yes. good morning. mr. owens, i would like for you to explain what is the webster definition between a republican and a democrat? and why is it that i am an 85-year-old man. i'm an 82-year-old man, excuse me, and i have been in the marine corps air my oldest son has been in the army. i get to make grandsons right

now who are in the air force. one is a second lieutenant, just graduated from the air force academy. and i would like to know what is the webster definition between a democrat and a republican? >> guest: first, let me say thank you for your service and god bless you, man, being 82. i've got to have what you have, so, thank you for your service also your families service. my father is mine. my grandfather was a man, alcazar. i guess that makes me a sign of the council thank you for your service. i don't know webster's definition of the difference. but what i can tell you i can look at party platforms. when a look at one platform that talks about having the discretionary position of how extreme can we have you know the abortion issue. i think republicans have come around to say there should be maybe a statewide referendum on

what we think this should be. as a minister myself i know where i am on this issue. when we have party this is no, women should make decisions no matter what time, that's a big platform difference. we look at the idea of how we defend our borders. those are big platform differences. when we look at the idea of how we define marriage, this is a biblical term that the bible to find. these are big platform differences. although the republican party has been the more open and some of those positions. the minister myself i i cannot be. i'm clear on what what it definitions. i look at, as i was a democrat myself at one time but what i got from the democratic party was his whole idea of the white savior. i don't eat white people are white men to come save me. the only savior i need is jesus christ. and also the assault on my religious freedoms from democratic party and the idea of what i believe and what the bible says, the attack. so for those two reasons alone

because it i was always a republican, i am a historical like a college grad, shot up to morris brown. i can tell you when i went to the two-party meetings myself when i screwed to my transition i heard white liberals tried to tell me that white conservatives are the boogie man and trying to hurt our black black and n brothers. my response was well, you're white. you're going to tell me that you good white and the others of bad whites with your home white to me so what's the difference? as a black college grad by so i would say this. i take the idea for liberty, washington. just don't get in my way. the idea of the federal government. don't make it hard for me. through the table and we do what i want to do. transparently there are big issues to isolate the idea of school choice. republicans do, too. democrats don't. we have a fairly school system in milwaukee. the idea of this also is a is te birthplace of the republican party in wisconsin, and also the birthplace of school choice.

you are going to poor kids no matter your caller to go to great schools that have the ability to teach and not sending all her kids to philly schools and say that's all you get. because we support public schools and that's it. find the app writers the works best for you and your school. for me the platforms are clear. thank you for the question. >> host: tom is republican north carolina. good morning. >> caller: good morning. i blame the media and i blame president biden for all this mess that went on with trump over the weekend. they are after trump 24/7. if you go to cnn, msnbc, almost channels, they are, every minute they are talking so that about him. president biden even made the statement something about putting a bull's-eye, you know, on trump. so i blame the media. i blame the democratic party and i blame joe biden. now, if it comes out that a a

president, president trump wanted more secret service protection and didn't get it, and something needs to be done. actually calling for the director to resign today. she should've been out here yesterday or saturday when he got shot making a statement. where is she? where is she? i mean, this is -- >> host: she did release a statement that i read a part of it. you can see it at secret service dot -- >> caller: today, i get your point. we'll get orlando to respond. go ahead. >> guest: well, i think some valid points there and i think the investigation is ongoing. clearly when president biden wasn't able to call what the incident was as an assassination attempt, we knew then that this is going to be a mess. you saw what happened as the

country that someone tried to kill the the president. and the current president couldn't have the composure enough to say it is what we thought and what we all saw. i think that when you say words like trump and mega republicans are like hitler, i mean this is a hype, this is a hype of the rhetoric -- >> host: orlando, who said that? who are you saying said that? >> guest: many of them come many from the left. they equate president trump and republicans to hitler. trump is like hitler. you know, using the same rhetoric and same as hitler making this equation, this false equivalency which is ridiculous on all fronts. but this is the type of desperation the left is. it's called nothing best gas lighting a fear mongering it is. >> good afternoon, everyone. okay. so