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and tony can it, welcome to both of you. i will just ask you each, starting with david about your program and how it got started and what it is about.>> my program started on low powered fm radio, a very long time ago, longer than those i would like to admit, and over time, it became a syndicated radio and television programs as podcasting and online video got going, we grew up on those platforms and now we have moved completely to online platforms sort of as a decision about where the audience is, so youtube is a big platform, 2.2 million subscribers, and it is a progressive political commentary show.>> i started out with my guest hosting in

indianapolis, on a weekend kind of show situation, and they didn't hate me so they brought me on for a nightly show which is what i do now, and we pushed that online on twitter and youtube because as david said, with the online explosion of content provision, whether that is through livestreaming, that is a nice addition to the radio, it is a nice blast getting able to provide commentary, and what we would like to say is for the average viewer out of indianapolis, but that has grown into a broader national audience, really arguing basic cultural principles in favor of the middle class. >> david, let's get to the big news of the day which is the supreme court decision yesterday on presidential immunity, what was your reaction? >> i was not hugely surprised, my expectation was that there would be some kind of decision

that there are core presidential acts that are absolutely protected by immunity, we could think about the effects of military decisions, for example as often one that is cited and there are definitely some acts which would be extraordinarily difficult to justify immunity under but it is this the ground where one of donald trump's attorneys was on tv last night arguing that setting up a slate of fake electors in states that president biden won is an official act and therefore protected by immunity. listen, i'm not a legal scholar so that is quite a big claim and it'll be up to the judiciary ultimately to adjudicate that but it definitely seems to potentially set up a very dangerous precedent wherein joe biden as an official act could determine that trump is a threat to the nation or whatever, up to and including the assassination and from the legal opinions that

i'm reading, that is the big concern which is once you have opened up this sort of door, where does it stop? i think it should be concerning both to people on the left and the so-called constitutional conservatives as well.>> tony, what do you think of that? >> as a former teacher, i would often bemoan when my students did not read the assignment and that is what i have seen from the left leaning individuals in the country who are making up things about pulling things out of cheese -- chief justice roberts decisions and making a scenario in which the president is immune from these things, the president has official actions which are outlined in the u.s. constitution and legal precedent and this supreme court decision states that it is up to the lower courts like the one trump is currently involved with to determine whether his actions regarding the election were official and

therefore immune and unofficial and subject to prosecution.>> what do you think of that as far as the official acts related to the january 6 indictment?>> the supreme court was very specific and clear in this case that they weren't making any decision based on these actions because it is not yet in place. in fact, in amy coney-barrett's decision, she stated, that would be subject to constitution, of course you are not hearing this because of the fear mongering, and it appears more useful right now to drive voter retention.>> and the other big story was the debate from last week and president biden's performance on that debate, your thoughts on that? >> i thought as i outlined

immediately after the debate, president biden's performance was quite poor. i think that the real question now for the democratic party is what to do next, the interesting thing is that in addition to president biden's performance being quite poor, the failed former president, donald trump's performance was also terrible, there was a 64 second period in which he told six lies which is extraordinary, and i think there is question around does biden get replaced, for example, there's people who drive clicks who are taking very black and white positions on this, president biden absolutely must be replaced or president biden must not be replaced. i think it is a much more difficult thing to determine, some early polling finds that most of the folks as far as the replacement actually are a little bit worse than president

biden. i think it is quite a difficult situation on the other hand, i also do recognize that former president trump lost in 2020 and since then, incited a riot on january 6, was indicted four times, convicted on 34 felonies, was found to be a civilly liable sexual assault which the judge determined in new york meets the definition of rape. it is hard to imagine winning in 2024, i think anybody trying to make it appear like a cut and dry is definitely putting the cart before the horse.>> tony, your thoughts on what david just said? >> i think david is right on the money when it comes to the democrats and being between a rock and a hard place. if biden steps down, it is not clear about the campaign,

whether the money can go with them, so that is a huge problem as far as money is concerned altogether. the matter is, americans have known that biden has been mentally declining for some time, while those on the left are trying to usher the americans, no, he's fine, certainly he wasn't falling up the stairs, they were just slippery stairs, or whatever the excuse was. now the americans have seen that the democratic establishment is very willing to lie to them about his condition and they can't replace the president, they also can't keep him because he continues to deteriorate by the day and as someone who has taken care of an individual with dementia, i mean this, there is no aspect to punditry here, it does break my heart to see a man who should be retired and spending time with his

country -- family. >> sometimes in these formats it can be hard to unwind each aspect of it but a couple things that are important to discuss, one is it is simply untrue that former president trump is out fundraising president joe biden, just look at the documents, that is the important place to look, between 50 and 100% more fundraising for the biden campaign then from trump. i think the second important thing to talk about is when it comes to fitness, the postdebate poll from abc on this issue found that 72% of americans believe biden is not fit to serve and 54% believe trump is not fit to serve, so again, there is a much more -- if we want to do talking points and grenade launching political discussion, we can certainly do

it, i'm hoping in this format we can talk a little more seriously and acknowledge that the difference in the percentage of people who believe biden and trump are unfit to serve is relatively slim and i'm sure my counterpart has seen videos of donald trump getting completely wrong who he ran against, who ran in 2008 and 2012, the name of the person in charge of capital security on january 6, looking around for rudy giuliani when he is t across from him, wandering away and having to be brought back to his car. the numbers show it, it is a difference, but i don't think that really tells the story of what will happen in november, and it would be dishonest to suggest that. >> tony, go ahead. >> i find it concerning, describing the president of the united states, that immediately the response is but trump.>>

but that was not the response. >> i'm talking about perhaps kamala harris, regardless of politics or her policy positions, the president is currently deteriorating in office, regardless of what you think about trump or rfk junior or kamala harris or whoever trump chooses.>> go ahead, tony, finish your thought.>> the clearpoint in this situation, i have seen donald trump do several rallies without once looking at a teleprompter, going off on several different tangents of course, but the president of the united states in his current situation can't even get through reading a teleprompter at a rally without tripping over himself like donkey kong walking over banana peels, it is quite insipid to think otherwise.>> hold on, david.>> where did he do a

three-hour rally?>> in michigan, i attended in person, just north of detroit earlier this year. >> that is absolutely not the case.>> if you would like to join our conversation, with tony kinnett and david pakman, you can do so. we also have a line set aside for voters under 35, so if you are under 35, we would love to hear from you, that number is 202-748-8033, you can also use that same line to text us. there is a harvard youth pole in the spring, and one of the findings they found was for young voters, that there was broad support for a permanent cease-fire in the israel hamas war. where are you on that? what are your thoughts on how

republicans can appeal to those young voters? >> well, the issue with a lot of foreign-policy situations regarding youth voters would boil down to two specific facets, there's not a lot of specific details regarding the details of the cease-fire or hostage release, as well as a lot of the places of those polls were taken, university settings in which students, many on the left have strange pro-hamas and pro-palestine sentiments, people grow a little more conservative as they grow older and that is especially shown by the increase of information that comes from actually taking a look at foreign-policy situations around the world and perhaps not something that you have seen from viral progressive videos on tiktok.>> david, your response on foreign policy in the israel hamas war?>> yes, it is one of those

conventional wisdom that is not true that people get more conservative when they age, it is studied extensively, at any point you survey people, older generations are more conservative. but there's no evidence that people become more conservative as they age, but i know that is not the main thing. it is just tough to keep up with the firehose of falsehoods here. as far as the foreign-policy issue israel and gaza, et cetera, there is a couple polls which finds that foreign policy in general, rank between 10th and 15th, or not even at all in terms of order of importance, even for voters 18 to 29, so i recognize that it's an issue that generates very strong feelings for many people including young voters. i find the data that suggests it is going to be a dispositive issue in this election, particularly given what the voters are saying about the

importance of the economy and the border and so many other issues, so i recognize that there are voices that say that is their issue on which they will vote but in the polling it does not really seem to be pulling as that important of an issue to any group including young voters. >> let's talk to a young voter, this is michael in texas who is under 35. good morning. to have a pr es ident in a country where freedom is supposed to be our main thing >> for small, david, i really love your show, but have a question for tony. i feel like it's really disheartening to be now have a president and it country where freedom is was be her main thing and we -- executive branch who can ban you from tsa without being -- without being able to do anything by congress, can ban you from -- can take people's immigration status away through i.c.e. it super scary. it super scary to me, as

someone who is trying to build a future in this country. >> michael, how old are you? >>on i'm 20 years old. >> and who do you plan to vote for? >> joe biden. >> i'm struggling to find the question, and if you are concerned that the president can order the tsa work in order a bureaucratic organization in the government to civilly revoke right that you have as a citizen, that's not true. there is no legal president that is stood that allows any executive official to simply carte blanche off your rights as a united states citizen. if you are here as a legal immigrant or you are here as a citizen of the country, you enjoy the same rights and freedoms that are entitled to your particular state. as a foreign national, you cannot be written off by the tfa just because. there has to be a verifiable threat, given some of the ones that we see regarding the individuals om