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hearing and across the capital, a chairman compared a member of his committee to a cartoon character. the headline on that piece, skirmishes and heated exchanges erupt on capitol hill. the first that happened yesterday between kevin mccarthy and tim burchett, a fellow republican. tim burchett describing the incident yesterday in an interview with cnn. this is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i was doing an interview with claudia from npr, a lovely lady. she asked me a question. at that time, i got elbowed in the back. a copy off guard because it was a shot to the kidneys. i turned back and there was kevin. for a minute, i was kind of shocked and then i chased after him, of course. he is a bully with $70 million in his security detail.

he is -- $17 million in his security detail. he is the kind of kid who throws a rock across the fence and runs behind his mama's skirt. i thought the way we handle things in east tennessee, we have a problem with somebody, i am going to look him in the eye and talk to him. >> so he walked down the hallway and hit you with his elbow. >> yeah, you can go on claudia x's account, it is accurate. >> explain, so you chased him? >> i ran after him like, what the heck? why did you do that? like i said, if you have ever been hit in the kidneys, it is a little different. you don't have to hit hard to cause pain. of course, as he always did, does, he just denies it or blames somebody else or something. it was a little heated, but i backed off. i would not gain anything from it. everybody saw it.

it did not really matter. >> he responded to you? >> yeah, he acted like, what are you talking about? who are you? that kind of thing. it is symptomatic of the problems i have seen he has had in his short tenure as speaker. [end video clip] host: tim burchett yesterday, interview with cnn. they also spoke with kevin mccarthy to ask him about the incident. here are his remarks. [video clip] >> i did not kidney punch him. >> [indiscernible] >> no. you guys line up along the way. i and walking out -- i am talking out, i did not know it was him, i guess my elbow hit him when i walked by. when i walked back further, somebody was interviewing him, talking to me, and he comes running up, why did you hit me? i did not even know something

transpired. [end video clip] host: kevin mccarthy yesterday on capitol hill. the headline in "time," today, lawmakers almost came to blows at the capitol twice. the second incident on the senate side yesterday at a hearing, markwayne mullin, challenging the head of the union to a fight during a back-and-forth. here is that exchange. [video clip] >> let's talk about mr. o'brien's behavior. last time, i had a back-and-forth. appreciate your demeanor today, quite different. after you left, you got excited about keywords. you tweeted 1, 2, 3, 4, five times. let me read what the last said. it said, "green ceo who pretends like he is self-made." i was she was in the truck with me when i

built my plumbing company myself and my wife was running the office because i should remember working pretty hard, long hours. but then says "he is self-made. -- "pretends he is self-made. what a clown, a fraud. always was, always will be." "quit the 10 facts in the senate hearings. you know where to find me, anyplace, anytime." sir, this is a time and place, if you want to run your mouth, we can finish it here. >> that aside, perfect. >> want to do it now. >> let's do it now. >> stand here butt -- stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up then. >> you are a united states senator, sit down please. no, sorry, -- you will have your time. this is a hearing. god knows the american people have enough contempt for

congress. >> i don't like you. >> hold it. you have the mic and let's do this -- >> i accepted your challenge. and you went quiet. >> no, i do not go quiet. you challenged me to a cage match, acting like a 12-year-old. >> hold it. >> i will say -- >> senator molen, i have the mic. if you have questions on economic issues, go for it. we are not here to talk about physical abuse. [end video clip] host: that was yesterday from the u.s. senate hearing. we are talking this morning on "washington journal" about civility and congress. is it important to you in those incidents and in the wake of headlines like this this morning on rollcall media, it is time for thanksgiving. tensions flare as fights break out in congress. give us your thoughts.

democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. otis is first out of orange park, florida, democrat. caller: good morning. good morning. you know, i was sitting here watching the show you just, this pc just showed. it seemed -- this piece you just showed. these guys should be better leaders. i know back in the day, these guys make laws. they should set an example that we don't fight on tv just because of words. guarantee you this, this senator that stood up do not spend not one day in combat boots. yet, he is a tough guy. and the other guy, he is a tough

guy. it don't make sense. you don't have to show how bad you are by fighting. use your head. but we are making ourselves look immature. we are supposed to be the leaders of the world, and we allow any citizen or appointed person who they think got their back because they talk to us. here's the true fact, you don't have to talk tough to be tough. you can be as quiet as a mouse, but then when somebody jumps, you can respond. do not ever misunderstand thinking that just because you want to talk tough, it makes you tough. you might be a little coward tried to put up a front to keep people off of your behind. that is not right. we need to do better for these kids. it is not fair to this country or to the world to have leaders like that in these positions to act like they are five and

six-year-olds. host: otis from florida. al in massachusetts, republican. caller: good morning. i think we need to roll this back a little. with 16 l -- with the 2016 election, the left-wing media complex. hillary clinton had it. let's remember the deplorable's, that donald trump was the first president in history not to have a honeymoon period. so they have been shot since the 1960's. they were the ones who are angry. they no longer have full control. we can see that $33 trillion in debt that they have run up. where's the utopia they promised us? you talk about this heightened banter back and forth. it is because the democrats, the liberals are losing power. they are losing their control

and the left-wing media complex is falling right along. in closing, let's remind you of the summer of 2020. all the riots. this is the message that the democrats have been saying, they are willing to stay in power. they are the problem. host: that is al in massachusetts. david, west virginia, democrat. caller: yeah, the way these people are acting in washington, why don't you give each one a pacifier when they go home because they are acting like a bunch of little babies. they need to grow up and be men and do right in this country right. that is what is wrong with this country now. they are not acting like men, they are acting like a bunch of babies. host: in west virginia, the headline from "the huffington post" this morning, elbows, petty gop fights and in congress. the headline referring to an incident at the house oversight

hearing with james comer, the chairman of that committee, talking about the financially illiterate democrats that were spreading fake news stories about finances and trying to discredit his ongoing investigation into the biden family finances. james comer leading that impeachment probe. this is the back and forth with jerry moscowitz yesterday and oversight hearing. [video clip] >> i am one of the largest landowners in my home area. i went to bank and borrowed money, and i bought that land. i did not get buyers from romania, china. my family does not get wires. never loaned my brother money. do not have an llc. but you and goldman, who is mr. trust fund, continue -- >> i am reclaiming my time. >> i am not going to give you your time back. we stop the clock.

you are like a smurf fear, going around -- >> mr. chairman, if we are not on time, you have said [cross talking] >> why should they believe you? why should they believe you? is there a different rule for the president and you? why should they believe what you are saying, mr. chairman, way? do you go on fox news and say loans and evading taxes, we don't know if that is what you are doing. we are supposed to take your word for it. >> you have already been proven a liar. >> who? you? >> yes. go to my hometown. there is a camera crew there today doing research. >> mr. chairman, it seems to have gotten under your skin. i think the american people have lots of questions. perhaps you should sit for a

deposition. >> i will sit with hunter biden and joe biden, and we can go over our llc. >> i will make sure that the ranking member -- >> i make a point of order that we should return to rank of order. [end video clip] host: that incident also yesterday on capitol hill. we are talking about civility in congress, whether you think it is important. if you do, we are taking your phone calls. john, lake geneva, wisconsin, independent. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. let me back up a minute. everybody saw the march on the national mall yesterday for israel. that is what we would call, you know, there was not yelling, screaming or defacing of property statues. everybody gets were i am going.

just a nice, peaceful, people getting along. i think we need to get back to that to some extent. that was a childish exchange. a lot of the people on the left and right, firesides, do the same thing. they have 20 people in the squad. grand they are always yelling and screaming and shoving and microphones, typically, in my opinion. i just think, you know, the thing with the senator, he previously was a mixed martial arts fighter. so, the other person who is just sitting down there, he was not going to get up and fight that guy. he does not have a chance. and that is not the point. back in the day, you probably are little up in your ears, like i am -- i am 60, and used to

settle things by good old fistfight. you put down the guns and go to for sites. do you ever taken my call. host: that is john in wisconsin. this is alvin in washington, d.c., your thoughts on civility in congress? are you with us this morning? i think the last alvin. go ahead and keep calling in. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. do you think civility in congress is important today? that is our conversation this first hour of "washington journal." as you are calling in, we want to talk about the spending bill passed yesterday in the house that now moves over to the senate.it was funny to the government passed the friday at midnight deadline. joining us to talk about it is the budget appropriations

reporter at roll call, up early this morning on zoom. .good morning guest: good morning, thank you for having me. host: take us through the package that passed the house yesterday. what is in this package? what would it do? guest: the package that passed the house yesterday is pretty much a continuing resolution with a kind of big caveat that is not that straightforward, which it is split up into two end dates. it continues the funding level from the last fiscal year, 20 trade three -- 2023, but it does extend funding for agriculture, energy, military construction, v.a. and transportation hud bill to january and all the other appropriation bills to february 2. speaker mike johnson believes that this will prevent a massive, you know, year-long spending bill before christmas,

which is what we have seen in previous years. instead, reefs the negotiations between the chambers about these first four bills and later the remaining eight as packages. host: the strategy of splitting it up this way, does it set up the potential for a partial government shutdown in january and another partial government shutdown in february? what is the strategy behind that? guest: that is a big point of concern by democrats, who oppose this. they could unnecessarily complicate it, and a quick shutdown in the new year. republicans believe this is an opportunity to shake things up and get out of the standards that is of massive -- and instead of fighting these battles, with a hard christmas

deadline, they will not be talking about that new year. host: the bill passes yesterday, 136-90 5,209 democrats with 127 republican supporting this -- and hundred -- 436-45, 209 democrats with 100, 7 republican supporting this. guest: a lot of republicans do not like stopgap spending measures. they are not happy that this was negotiated. they do not like the policies that continue to, so those are the two big things that cause republican opposition from a wide range, but democrats wanted to support it and they said

essentially as long as they got their levels continuing at the same level and there were no policy matters the republicans wanted, they could continue to support this. obviously, they ended up carrying this with all but two democrats, who wanted to see ukraine money in this package. host: and it was a continuing resolution that passed with more democratic support than republican support. during kevin mccarthy's speakership, is there talk about concern of mike johnson's speakership in the wake of the vote? guest: the big points that they have been making is that they had -- that mccarthy lost their trust but they still trust mike johnson. it is a similar dynamic, but there were a lot of personality differences between the eight

republicans who joined the democrats to making the speakership earlier this year. i think we are not anywhere close to that yet, but there are some who are upset about how this wind and they thought that johnson may take a different path on government spending at this point. that would be -- it would be very difficult for johnson to do anything and avoid a government shutdown based on the control in the senate and the white house, so johnson decided he did not want to shut down the government as his first active speaker, and in his eyes, this is what he had to do. host: you mentioned the senate and white house. what is the path for this continuing resolution in the senate and to get president biden's signature? guest: i really do not want to jinx anything, but it is looking good over in the senate. both chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell are saying that they

thought the package looks like the democrats will get on board and there will be more than enough republicans to pass this when it comes up. with timing, government spending going down friday night at midnight, they need to pass it soon, and anyone senator can hold it up. at this point, it is not appear to be that it would be them yet, but with thanksgiving around the corner, i think we will see a speedy passage of this in the senate and we will be out of here tomorrow or friday with the government fully funded to the new year. host: we will keep watching the senate and clock. if you don't mind, just your thoughts on these incidents of members behaving badly between a shoving incident, a neophyte and senate hearing, the name-calling across capitol hill and in committee hearing.

you are up there. what are your thoughts on what happened yesterday? did it just happened to happen in front of the cameras more than it usually does? guest: that is a part of it. tensions are high overall. the house especially, the speaker reelection, it has been a high stress environment for them. not to excuse the bad behavior, of course, but i think a recess over thanksgiving where everybody can go home and spend time with their families hopefully will kind of quiet every thing down. host: aiding quickly is a budget appropriations reporter for roll call -- aiden quigley, is a budget appropriations reporter for roll call. thank you. host: we are talking about civility and congress. members of possibly going home

and spending time with their family. this is the commentary section of today's "washington times,"an delete pieced -- and the lead to by mike pence and the former vice president is encouraging americans to save their families and save america in his piece, noting that democracy depends on civility, but today, our civil discourse has weakened us as americans, and we are losing the art of discussing issues with one another. he says it is not just contributed to our lack of connection but the result of it, saying a good way to find that connection and family is to spend home around -- go home and spend time around the dinner table. that is the vice president washing today's "washington times," "go home for dinner." mike in huntington, indiana, independent. caller: a yeah, im 78 years --

yeah, i am 78 years old, and i have heard this story about the democrats spend too much money, cannot balance the budget, yet, they have got all this ground. they should have to sell it off, and until they balance that budget next year, not 10 years down the road, next year, that is what everybody else has to do if they run into problems. host: i will take your thoughts on the budget, but any thoughts on the civility in congress and the tensions that flared up yesterday? did you see any of them? caller: yes, they are all babies. host: mike in huntington, indiana. newman in san antonio, texas,

democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i am listening to people calling in and i am sick of excuses for the congress and senate. these are supposed to be our leaders, and children saw themselves, if i was to do the things that we have seen the senator's doing, i would not have a job. i am sick of these politicians up there. what would you bring up a tweet when you are supposed to be handling the business of the people? i am sick of everybody making excuses for these people. this is no way to run your country. i don't know what this country is coming to. everybody is trying to act like donald trump, bullying people, and sometimes, there are no

words for some of these, but you all can decide. have a nice day. host: this is sean out of baltimore, maryland, independent. your thoughts on civility on capitol hill? caller: good day to you. [indiscernible] to be honest, i don't think it is going to get any better. last i was watching, i was thinking, really? you are trying to start a fight in the senate customer that is ridiculous. even if they had start a fight, it would have got broken up. [indiscernible] at the end of the day, i don't think it will get better. [indiscernible] she is crazy.

then you have the far right. i really do not see it getting any better. as you see in other countries, how they are fighting in their congress or parliament, i am not saying that is a good thing, but it is inevitable the way things are going with the country. you will see congresspeople start fighting. host: it has happened here before. it was joanne friedman, author and professor, who went viral yesterday after these incidents, the author of the book, "the field of blood: the violence in congress and the road to civil war." she is quoted on today's "washington post" and there wrap up of today's incidents. she is in american studies professor at yale university. i the person who wrote that book

-- and the person who wrote that book wrote on her x account yesterday, please stop providing fodder for "field of blood: volume ii." that book is coming out in 2019, featured on c-span's book tv. she sat down to talk about it, as well, in c-span's "in-depth" program, all available on book tv on c-span2, online at c-span.org, if you would like to read more about her book. "the field of blood: violence in congress on the road to civil war." we will take your phone calls as we talk about civility in congress. constance and, democrat. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. host: what are your thoughts on everything that happened yesterday? caller: it is an embarrassment. the republicans are imploding.

if we elect donald trump, this is what we are going to get. they are their leader with the rhetoric he is spewing on a daily basis, and it must stop. this is not america. we are better than this. host: charles -- that you were done, constance. charles is in arkansas, republican. caller: hey, i just had an idea that since they are running the political system the way they are, i think we could do better if we vote on things ourselves. in the sense that we should vote on money to israel, we should vote on referendum votes with all of us, and since they are not running it well, i know they could do any worse, and i think we would feel are presented and we could represent ourselves.

we don't need to send somebody to washington to represent us since we have a telephone, a computer. you can bet in real time on a ballgame, and i can bet on again that is going on in real time. i do not know i cannot vote on things. i don't understand the system. host: do you trust members of congress previously, decades ago, was there a time when you had more trust and confidence in their ability to be civil and to be able to take those votes and represent you well? caller: oh, yes. back at those times, i was naive. i was told that absolutely we are not. it would have been better off if i had voted myself on these issues. they are not voting in my

entries. voting is not an exercise of power, it is how i give my power away. if i got to vote on actual things, then it would be exercising power. but the way we have voting set up, it is a way for me to give all of my power away. this is not represented government. host: what would you have like to see happen when it came to that continuing resolution, defunding the government, -- of funding the government, a fight going on for four months, likely to be extended into january and february next year? caller: we have to do it eventually. these republicans are right. we have to bite the bullet. donald trump, god bless him. he opened everybody's eyes up to a lot of things. he is a great individual. he thinks he has all the answers and knows what to do. he does not ask anybody. that is the shame of it all and of our system. we have got no say.

host: that is charles in arkansas. this is read out of washington state, independent r --eed out of washington state, independent. caller: i do believe in civility in congress. it is important. it is nothing new as far as violence in places of democracy. in canada, they still have carpets read in parliament because of all the bloodshed and violence that happened in parliament. i think the historical reference you bring up with freeman's book is great and everybody should remember that as far as our bar is pretty high as far as what we consider violence in congress right now. host: the historical records on congress began on the platform previously known as twitter, on x, npr reporter claudia, who was talking to congressman tim

burchett, republican of tennessee. that incident with kevin mccarthy, here is how she described that incident and the ensuing interaction between the two numbers of congress. she writes, "i have never sn this on capitol hill before. while talking to tim burchett, formerpeer mccarthy walked by and shoved bridget. bridget lunged towards me. i thought it was a je,t was not, and a chase ensued. burchard's back was to mccary, and burchard responded jokingly as he said, sorry, kevin, did not mean to elbow. kevin, why did you elbow me in the ba? kevin, do you have any guts? then he asked, jerk, and i asked if bridget had done that before, and he said no.

d i just behind with my microphone. after catching up with mccarthy, hey, kevin, why did you walk behind me and bow me in the back? mccarthy said, i did not. burchard, you have no guts. what kind of chicken move is that? burchett continued, you have no gut, the reporter said it right there, you are a pathetic man. burchett tells me, what a jerk, and then he says, you need security, kevin." buhe voted her mccarthy's house back inctober. "he is just a jerk, he is just a childless little blank, blank, b lank. burchett sd,id you just see that? he will not follow up with mccarthy on what happened. he said, that is pretty that lists -- gutless of him, and i

am disappointed with him." by the way, one follow-up yesterday, matt gaetz, the publican of florida, also leading the effort to oust kevin mccarthy tweeted out that has filed an ethics complaint agaieaker mccarthy for assaulting, as he puts it, tim burchett. that was yesterday on capitol hill. this morning, we are asking you about civility in congress. do you think it is important? democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. janet in new york, democrat. good morning. the head, janet. -- go ahead, janet. caller: can you hear me? host: yes ma'am. caller: my take on the whole thing is it may be a little different than others.

i agree with your previous caller who said that in canada, the carpets are red and there parliament, i did not know that. i feel like this is a natural outpouring of the division in the country, and we are going to see it fight itself out in ugly ways, but it is almost necessary. i work in a public library as a librarian, and we have noticed that when one person in the library behaves badly, it makes everybody behave better just out of shame for the other person like, wow, we do not want to be seen that way. i hope it will make our other senators and congresspeople behave better and just one thing from "the flood" by robert frost, the first thing i thought when you played that before, blood will out, it cannot be

contained. i always come up with poetry for everything, and that is my thought today. host: thank you. from new york, kevin in north carolina, republican. caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: yes or. -- esther. -- yes sir. caller: ever since trump came into office, he hijacked my party. he has brought hostilities to the republican party. you look at marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, they have a level of hostility and it does not bode well for us and it will not bode well for us, and we will continue to lose to the democrats as long as we have this hostile energy in our party. i don't know. i am disappointed in our party, and i wish we could go back

because these people now, they are totally different. they are on thismaga movement and it is destroying us. nobody can see it. it is ridiculous. host: what are your thoughts on the leader of your party in the senate? mitch mcconnell? this you have a responsibility here to step in, specifically when it comes to markwayne mullin challenging a witness to fight? caller: of course he should. he is the leader of the senate and he should come in and talk to them and tell him not to be so hostile. he should have not let them get away with it. they are destroying our party, and i am disappointed. and unless something changes, our party will totally be losing to the democrats. i don't see it getting nowhere as long as trump is head of the party. host: that is kevin in north

carolina. this is kentucky senator and minority leader mitch mcconnell asking about these incidents of members behaving badly on capitol hill yesterday. [video clip] >> as a leader, what spots ability do you have to lower the temperature in the building right now? senator on your site challenged a witness to a fight, former speaker of the house cold caulking a fellow republican in the hall. what is your responsibility as leader to lower the temperature in the environment? >> frankly, i had not heard what you indicated. >> one member called another member a smurf. >> it is difficult to control the behavior of everybody in the building. i do not view that as my responsibility. that is something that they will have to deal with. [end video clip] host: mitch mcconnell yesterday talking about the members in the united states capitol, several incidents yesterday. we are getting your thoughts on civility in congress, is it

important to you? bernie in pennsylvania, independent. caller: thank you. i hope you give me time to talk about civility in the budget. it is like layers of the onion. most of these people, it does not make a difference because they belong to the same club. in order to distract us from realizing this, they have put on a show. most of them have taken an oath that they don't do harm to their fellow brotherhood, so this is all of the show. host: you think this is all a conspiracy and acted out? caller: it is all a conspiracy and is the definition of conspiracy when two or more people get together to deceive somebody.

i am not deceiving you, they are deceiving us. ok? they cannot pass a budget for the american structure, infrastructure, the american way of life, but they have money for israel and ukraine? this is nonsense. who are they representing? not us. there representing a foreign entity for a better finances and -- to fund their finances and reelections. host: denver, colorado, democrat, good morning. caller: do not count on mitch mcconnell to do anything. listen, the whole list of these jokers is unbelievable. i don't know why the people elected her to office, but they need to get her out of there. it is a good thing she does not have a gun up there. you have mitch mcconnell, joe manchin, jordan, the republicans

do have control of the house right now, so the republicans are winning that part, so when they see the republicans are losing, no, they are not. the democrats are not able to take advantage of the way these people carry on. they have control. you have jordan who carries on. these people who are in control of these committees are outrageous. they carry themselves unbelievably. host: i don't know about winning or losing, but what does it mean when there is a bill that a republican speaker puts on the floor yesterday that passes with significantly more democrats than republican votes? 209 voted for the stopgap, 127 republicans voted for it, only 57% of the republican conference. caller: if donald trump was a democrat, they would have made

sure he looked terrible. corporate america controls everything, and people fail to see that when joe biden got into office, there were going to make things look as bad as possible for him, and that is what they continue to do. there is a lot of rhetoric. fox news shows a picture of the border being open. the only people saying the border is open republicans. that is why things happen because of the lies they put out there for everybody. that electoral voters, these are people we put in office, and the electoral voters cannot see what they are doing. they put these people in office and carry on this way. with these people, when they get in office, oh, i represent my constituents. no, you represent the united states of america and the people of america. conduct yourself properly. imagine if herschel walker would have gotten elected to office

and the way these people would carry on then? host: that was danny in colorado. out of florida, republican, ben, your thoughts on civility in congress and the incidents yesterday? caller: good morning. civility, i hope you don't mind me going off track a little bit, but we need to be talking about honesty. we need to be talking about how these people lied to us continuously. we need to be talking about term limits to stop this kind of business. i don't care if they fight with each other. i want them to get things done. i want them to be creative for this country, but for the people who live here, what we have seen here is an epidemic of what is going on in society. why shouldn't it trickle over into the government? and it has, for years, this is

how they have talked to each other. that is normal, and that is civility. i am sorry, i disagree with the terminology. term limits. get these people out of here. all they are is fanning their own business. they don't care about us anymore. truth coming out where they will lie to us and say, believe what i tell you, and if they say it over and over again, they have the template right now that they think they are successful. thank you. host: the house is in at 9:00 a.m. eastern, so it will be a two hour "washington journal" today. the senate is in at 10:00 a.m. eastern. a couple of programs to be aware of today at 9:00 a.m. eastern, as well, on c-span3, we will bring you a house-homeland

security hearing, christopher wray and i'll hundred mayorkas will testify -- and alejandro mayorkas will testify on global threats facing the united states. c-span3, c-span.org, and the free c-span video app. this afternoon, the house means and means committee on c-span3, a hearing on free speech and anti-semitism on college campuses amid israel-hamas war. witnesses include an israeli actress, activist, a cornell university student, presented of scrum the foundation of defense of defensive democracies, and the antidefamation league. 2:00 p.m. eastern time on c-span3, c-span.org, and the free c-span out video app. 10 minutes left in this washington journal. we focus on the issue of stability in congress. at 8:00 a.m. eastern, we go to open forum and talk with members of congress ahead