♪ host: good morning. it is sunday, december 3, and our topic this morning is climate change. vice president kamala harris

returned today from the united nations and you will climate summit, but our question is for you, are you concerned about climate change? if the answer is yes, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8000 . if your answer is no, you are not concerned about climate change, give us a call at (202) 748-8001. and if you are somewhat concerned, your number is (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. please include your name and where you live. you can find us on facebook.com/c-span and on x. so as i just mentioned, vice president harris did attend a climate change summit hosted by the u.n. that was in dubai this week. let's bring up some of the

comments she made announcing new funding on climate action and touting american leadership on the climate crisis. this is from saturday. [video clip] >> today i am also proud to announce a new $3 billion pledge to the green climate fund, which helps developing countries invest in resilience, clean energy, and nature-based solutions. , today we are demonstrating -- today, we are demonstrating through action how the world can and must meet this crisis. this is a pivotal moment. our actions collectively or worse our inaction will impact billions of people for decades to come. for as much as we have accomplished, there is still so much more work to do. and continued progress will not be possible without a fight.

around the world, there are those who seek to slow or stop our progress. leaders who deny climate science, delay climate actions, and spread misinformation. corporations that green wash climate action and lobby for billions of dollars in fossil fuel subsidies. in the face of their resistance and in the context of this moment, we must do more. in order to keep our critical 1.5 degrees celsius goal within reach, we must have the ambition to meet this moment, to accelerate our ongoing work, increase our investments, and lead with courage and conviction. even given the challenges we

face, i am optimistic with ambition and bold action, i know we will build a cleaner, healthier, and more prosperous world for this generation and for generations to come. thank you. host: again, that was vice president kamala harris speaking saturday in dubai at the cop 28 summit. she announced some new funding from america to address climate change as well as talk about american leadership on the topic. we want to get to your calls it a moment, but before we do, i want to say hello to clifford young, the u.s. public affairs president, and he will talk to us about some recent surveys, some pulling on climate change. good morning, cliff. guest: good morning to you. great to be here. host: thanks for joining us. tell us, what prompted you to

take this latest survey on global views of climate change? guest: you did this global poll -- we did this global poll and 31 countries, 20,000 interviews, but we did this in anticipation of cap 28 -- cop 28. what do american citizens feel about private change? it is a public stakeholder in this process. host: you said 24,000. remind me, how many countries again was it? guest: it was 31 countries in total, including the united states. host: can you give us an overview. where they all continents? how did you pick the 31 countries? guest: it is basically the large markets. it includes oecd countries.

it is a sampling of the large and small countries across the world forget we include all continents. it really gives us a good pulse of the world. maybe not a complete pulse. we did not poll in every country but a good idea of what is going on globally. host: let's start going through some of the findings from your polling. let's start with the question you asked, people listed how climate change rated compared to other concerns like inflation and crime. how did people respond to that question? guest: specifically, we are looking at data in the united states and what americans think, but we basically find where climate change is an important issue, it is about seventh place, about 70% of americans cited it as a critical problem. there are many other issues that americans are worried about today but whether that be

inflation, inequality, crime, unemployment, there are a host of other issues that i would say mute the importance of climate change in the environment. what i would say responding a bit to a president kamala harris's speech, i would add -- to vice president kamala harris's speech, i would add what is important is public opinion today because they have other priorities. people are worried about making ends meet. they are worried about crime and inequality, other sorts of issues. host: and did anything surprise you or someone who has done polling on this before, did you expect climate change -- you said it ranked about seventh. is that what you expected most americans to put climate change in the order of priority? guest: it comes and goes, especially with the economy. we are coming out of a high inflationary regime right now,

and that makes sense. what i can say is over time, over the last decade and a half of a climate change has been increasing the importance of it has gone to a low priority, tertiary issue to a much more important well, so this is not to say climate change and the environment is not increasing in importance among americans and global citizens, just that today there are other issues that drive people's voting behavior, the preference for policies specifically. host: let's go to the next slide now. you posed a question on animpact of climate change ined their area. which countri have the most concern that there would be impact? can you talk specifically about how americans responded? guest:.

yeah. lily as well as in the united states, a majority of people expect a severe occurrence is highly likelin the next 10 years in their area. the take away their is there is concern about climate change, there is worry about it. maybe it is not the number one issue but it is an issue. 70% of global citizens site a severe weather occurrence as happening in the next 10 years. we see especially countries that are exposed to it, developing countries like mexico is an example, india is another one, being highly concerned. the u.s. is still concerned at 64%. it is still high. obviously not as high as some other countries, but overall what we can do as i was saying before is for global citizens and americans specifically, they are worried about severe weather events in the next little bit. host: you also asked people if

they thought their country and its busess and the people in each cnt were working hard ou to tackle climate change. what did you find out about that, those answers? guest: whether we are talking about global citizens and 31 countries or talking about americans, thed't give the powers that be very good marks, and so a majority of amerins a majority of global citizens say that governments, businesses, as well as citizens are not doing enough when it comes to climate change. i think that is something we heard again, the undertones in vice president kamala harris's speech. we need to do more, and what we say is public opinion agrees with her on that. host: ask about one more slide before i let you go this morning. you look at how respondents in other countries and the united states responded if they were

asked specifically on whether the citizens were working hard enough, and how did the united states compared to other countries on this question specifically about citizen involvement or action? guest: about a third of global citizens say that citizens themselves are not doing enough. that is about the same number for the u.s., and the u.s. is about average when it comes to the globe, when it comes to global citizens. overall going back to my initial point, whether it be citizens, government, or the private sector businesses, people believe that enough is not being done. host: is there anything -- there have been service on climate change in the past. is there anything about this particular survey that surprised you or shows some change over time?

guest: i think it brought into relief the central point here, which is on the one hand people are worried about climate change. a super majority of people are worried about it, whether that is americans or global citizens. but it is not the number one priority still. it is not top of mind. that is very important because those main questions are important predictors of the elections of public policy. there is a problem but right now it is not important as for others. that is something policymakers and analysts in general are taking consideration. host: all right, clifford young, vice president of public affairs at that u.s. public affairs president at ipsos. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you so much. host: we would like to get to your calls now. the question is, are you concerned about climate change?

if your answer is yes, call us at (202) 748-8000. if your answer is no, call us at (202) 748-8001. if you are somewhere in the middle, somewhat is your answer, call us at (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. we want to get to your calls, but before i do, i want to read a little bit from this article, which is at yahoo! finance's website, and the headline says despite bidens climate change pledges and conservative complaints about a war on energy , the u.s. is on pace for record oil and gas production. so i am going to scroll down just a little bit. it says, "president joe biden has pledged to combat climate

change, drawing the ire of conservatives who have accused him of waging war on american energy, and the industry is on track to extract more oil and gas than ever before. u.s. oil production has reached an all-time high of 13.2 million barrels a day last month and has remained that high since. the country is on pace to produce more oil in 2023 than any other year. u.s. natural gas production this also setting a record high this year and shows no indication of slowing. the numbers poke a hole in arguments made by republicans who claim biden administration policies have thwarted u.s. energy production. in fact, biden's first 21 months in office, his administration approved 74% more new oil and gas wells than former president

trump did during the same timeframe. according to federal energy data compiled by politico. the u.s. produced more crude oil in that period of time under biden than under trump." so just to set the scene a little bit as we go to your calls now, again, the question is, are you concerned about climate change? our first caller is tom in florida. tom, you say yes. tell me more. tom, are you with us? caller: you summed it all up in the fact that it is public awareness and fuel. my biggest concern about the warming is more about the ph difference of the ocean. you cannot garden in a ph altered soil. you cannot have an aquarium with a ph that is off. mother ocean is only one. i am more concerned about the ph

of the ocean, and that is about it for me. thank you very much. host: let's go to michael now in harrison, new jersey. you say you are not concerned about climate change, michael. caller: nope, because -- no, because i believe it can be controlled, redistribute the wealth, make a reference we believe a lie that we change to electric callers and give china power -- electric cars and give china power. back in the day, we had this and that. but believe they shoot it up into the sky, the military, to change the weather. why is it raining so much? why? it is november, december. somebody is changing the weather. i don't believe it is because we are driving our cars. what happened in the 1800s when they were not controlling the smack stacks and all of that

with the industrial revolution way back in the day if you remember? i believe it is climate control to make us believe a lie because many will be deceived in the last days. how can they deceive us? by lying to us. i don't trust this government right now or joe biden. sorry, joe, you are a traitor. host: let's go to craig now in pennsylvania. tell us why you are concerned about climate change. caller: i am concerned because i believe it will bankrupt america. they are throwing all of this money at a totally made-up -- that totally made-up maps -- they are throwing all of this money at totally made-up maps or whatever. when i was in school, they were talking about an ice age coming. now it is global warming, global

warming, like the man before me said. it will bankrupt america and just destroy our economy this baloney. it is nonsense. it really is. they are throwing money into the democrat congress is what they are doing. they are bankrupting america. they will make it so expensive for us to live that we will not be able to live. this is bidenomics. host: all right, this go to john now calling from florida. you say you are somewhat concerned. caller: yes, i am concerned. a lot of things. a lot of pollution. the guy from florida was right about the acidification. that has more to do with the runoff from fertilizers and plastics and all of this pollution. 150 years of deforestation, a massive level. we destroyed the planet. so now you want a token effort is really what we are talking

about. if you just go to ev's, you are going to shift the pollution some other source. and what about war? what about the war machine? what is the carbon footprint of the gaza invasion? think about all the hypocrisy of global travel piling into jets and just burning fossil fuels just to go to lunch in paris. there is so much bull. it is all bull. right now, it is kind of a wall street scam, isn't it? the ev's and solar. it is part of the whole picture, but it is not going to save anything. what about all the trees we cut down. ? in the biodiversity of the forest. we have screwed this planet up so badly and now the token efforts are just an effort that is political and monetary.

there is a lot of money being made investing in these electric cars, but what will happen with all the batteries? we know that is toxic. you really can't recycle it. you are shifting the source of your power from small efficient gasoline engines to huge power plants that mostly are fired by coal. china will just burn coal now so we will let them pollute. none of this makes any sense, so i say it is conservation. it is simple. use less of everything, less fertilizer, less plastics, less fuel. use the most efficient car. walk if you can. ride a bike. electric cars and windmills is just a scam. it is politics. host: we will have to leave it there. appreciate your call this morning. got your point. we will talk to ralph in florida. you say you are not concerned about climate change. caller: no, because like several

previous people said, it is a scam. it is a way to get more tax money out of the people, squeeze every last dime out of the electorate. everything is a joke. if this planet wants to wash us away, a few volcanic eruptions in the right places would wipe us out, and that will happen eventually, but no one cares, it is not like we can do anything about it. but the fact that we are bankrupting our country following a fools tail. host: all right, ralph. as a reminder, we want to hear from you today. the question is, are you concerned about climate change? if the answer is yes, give us a call at (202) 748-8000. if you say no, call us at (202) 748-8001.

if you are somewhat concerned about climate change, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-8002. let's go to las vegas now. steven is on the line. you say you are not concerned? caller: no, i am not, due to the second it is just a cycle, a natural cycle. climate change has been happening over millions of years. and also, your last little bit about politico with how many oil wells and gas wells that have been tapped under biden, that is a total lie. thanks and have a great day. host: all right. well, before we move forward with more of your calls, i want to bring up an article from the associated press. it says u.n. weather agency says 2023 is the hottest year on record. warns of firmer --

further climate extremes ahead. i will scroll down to read. this is an article from earlier in the week. it says the u.n. weather agency said thursday that 2023 is all but certain to be the hottest year on record and warning of worrying trends that suggest increasing floods, wildfires, glacier melt, and heat waves in the future. the world meteorological organization also warned that the average temperature for the year is up 1.4 degrees celsius, which is 2.5 degrees fahrenheit, from preindustrial times. a mere 1/10 of a degree under a target limit for the end of the century as laid out by the parents climate accord in 2015. the wmo secretary-general said the onset earlier this year of el niño, the weather phenomenon marked by heating in the pacific ocean, tipped the temperature

average next year over the 1.5 degrees, 2.7 degrees fahrenheit target cap set in paris. that is some of the latest from the u.n. weather agency. let's look now. this is some video going back to that conference, the cop 28 conference in dubai. the united nations secretary-general told his view about what should be done about fossil fuel betty fracturing and use. here is a portion of his remarks from friday. [video clip] >> limit the change to renewables. the science is clear. the 1.5 limit is only possible if it ultimately staffed burning fossil fuels. not reduced. with a clear timeframe aligned with 1.5 degrees. and it must not only commit to

that. it must also double energy efficiency, and bring clean energy to all by 2030. the economics are clear. the global shift to renewables is inevitable. the only question is how much heating our planet will have before it happens. in the governmental panel on climate change, we are recommending ending coal by 2030 . at the same time, according to the international agency, the oil industry accounts for 1% of clean energy investments. so we have a message for fossil fuel company leaders. your world is rapidly aging. do not double down on an obsolete business model. lead the transition to

renewables using the sources you have available. make no mistake, the road to climate sustainability is also the only viable pathway to economic sustainability of your companies in the future. host: again, that was the u.n. secretary general antonio guterres speaking friday from the climate change summit in dubai. but our question is for you, are you concerned about climate change? yes, if that is your answer, call us at (202) 748-8000. no, your numbe is (202) 748-8001. and if you say you are somewhat concerned, your number is (202) 748-8002. we are going to go back to the phone lines. eileen in illinois says somewhat. eileen, go ahead. caller: yes, i am here.

yes, i am very concerned, a citizen in the u.s. in regards to climate change. however, our earth has done through cycles for billions of years. we need to use our natural resources that we have here in the united states. science and technology have proven that we can clean up our fossil fuel science and actually really use one of our own providers and resources here that keep american workers in jobs and working and not count on china to produce the elements like wind turbines and all of these other wonderful things they are trying to sell us that make our people and nation weaker. we need to use what we have in

the united states by american workers. produce it here. yes, we are going to do the wind turbines and the wind tunnels and water resources. other resources, we need to build the plans to build them here, batteries produced here by united states workers. we have had so many callers, and i agree so much with the american public, we do not have our eyes closed. our government is'not working in the american publics interest -- tower government is not working in the american public's interest except to grow the top percent more money. we should be very ashamed of ourselves that we have let this happen. i appreciate you and c-span for all that you do. i have learned so many things. thank you so very much for taking my call. host: thanks for calling. let's go to michigan now. ron is on the line.

you say you are concerned about climate change. caller: yes, i am. everyone who is saying there is no global warming, it is all ok, you drive by your local river and you see in running dry. the panama canal is running dry. the mississippi is running dry. every river in the world is running dry. the panama canal, they cannot bring ships through. there is not enough water. it is plain and simple. we hold right now the great lakes, the most precious commodity in the world. they had a meeting. they have a water world where they are pumping deceleration with fossil fuel, and what they are doing with the wastewater, they are poisoning the persian gulf. there is just not enough water. i don't care where you are, who you are. it is just not enough water anywhere in the world. clean water. not salt -- there is a loan, but no freshwater.

we have the great lakes and we have to protect it simple because everybody wants it. there are foreign countries coming to this country, the united states, and they are buying land rights in the western states. in michigan, nestle is pumping out all of our freshwater from our great lakes and summit get back to us for money. you know, that is the main thing we have to take control of, our precious freshwater, plain and simple. thank you. host: all right, let's hear from mike now. mike is in long beach, new york. you say you are not concerned. caller: i am not concerned. but more than -- i am not concerned. i think it is a little late in the game to be concerned. i think as long as we are under a neoliberal system where we are all competing economically and we are consuming nonstop, there

is no hope in turning this around. it would take everybody to wake up tomorrow and say, listen, maybe we should cooperate with each other, you know, maybe america should be making solar panels, maybe we should work together rather than compete. host: all right, mike, i appreciate your call this morning. let's go to florida now. donna marie is on the yes line. go ahead, donna marie. caller: hi. how are you this morning? thank you for covering the subject, which is so incredibly important. one of the things that needs to be addressed is how the public is approached and given the facts on climate change. i have been very active in this since the 1970's. i have seen what it does. if you think about it on a global level, most people will say like the prior gentlemen,

cannot do anything about it, we cannot do anything about it. it is true. we have to work together. climate change is not the biggest problem. the biggest problem is how it is sold, how it is explained to the public so that they can understand how their grandchildren will need a completely -- will lead a completely different life. it is already happening. think a local garden. you cannot grow vegetables the way you used to. the lack of rain, the bugs, which nobody is talking about what the bugs are doing. they are very prolific these days, and we are suffering a breakdown of our eco-chain, and when that happens overnight, people are going to say, my god, this is real? yes, it will happen. it takes a village to raise a child. it is going to take the entire world to change our destiny.

trust me, the naysayers, someday they will shake their heads because it is going to happen. it is scientifically logical that what we have pumped into the earth, what we have pumped on top of the earth, what we have not done to protect the earth is going to come back and bite us. i suggest, and i hate to pull tv stations by name, i try not to do that, but you really need to diversify your news if you keep being told that this is not real, because trust me, it is real. and eventually, our family -- your family will be affected. i thank you for what you do. have a wonderful day, and eat organic. host: ok, donna marie. let's hear from bob in ventura , and forget it -- in ventura, california.

some are concerned? caller: kamala harris provided the dollar amount they are going to provide for the idea of global one, but there is no detail. thanks thing with the speaker at cop 28, whatever it was. nobody is talking in detail. all they have is, we are going to do this, but nobody shows how things will be done in time. national geographic came across a huge methane leak in alaska. probably five or six years ago, their magazine reported about this. nothing done about it. but everybody is putting all of this methane on accommodation of food supply and natural gas. it might have something to do, but mother nature is going through mood swings and that is about all i have to say about it. host: asking for specifics on

what president harris announced from the summit in dubai, here is an article on cnn.com the headline, kamala harris announces new $3 billion u.s. pledge to global climate action at dubai summit. i will read a little more to get some of those details in. it says vice president kamala harris announced new funding for climate action on saturday at the cop 28 summit in dubai where she touted american leadership on the climate crisis, including its recent investment in clean energy and efforts to make vulnerable communities more resilient to worsening climate disasters. harris said the u.s. would pledge another $3 billion to the clean climate fund, the main finance vehicle to help developing nations adapt to the climate crisis and cut fossil fuel pollution. the u.s. has previously

delivered $2 billion to the fund. the announcement comes after the u.s. was criticized by climate experts and advocacy groups earlier this week for contributing what they said was an embarrassing amount of money, $17.5 million, to a newly treated damage fund to help developing countries cope with climate disasters. so again, that investment is $3 billion to a global fund called the green climate fund. but we want to hear from you. are you concerned about climate change? if yes, (202) 748-8000. if no, (202) 748-8001. and if you are somewhat concerned, call us at (202) 748-8002. next up is lenny from ohio on the no line. good morning, lenny. caller: good morning. how is everybody doing today? host: doing well.

why are you not concerned, letting? caller:, well i believe -- well, i believe god has made a beautiful world for us and it has always changed. i posed a question for relatives about global warming and i could never get an answer. i live in ohio place to lake erie -- close to lake erie. they have glacier grows. it is a big granite rock with grooves cut in it. all the scientists at everything, the information available says that ice was three or four miles thick in that area where the ice melted and shifted and created these grooves in the rocks. now, if that is true, people driving fossil fuel cars and

burning coal and running air conditioners created all of the ice to melt. i don't believe it did. it is just nature's way of the world changing. and i think this is just a big hoax, the whole thing, basically bankrupting our country, and we have millions of people in poverty, inflation, hard for people to raise their families. we have so many problems, and we are wasting our time, effort, energy on a complete hoax. host: all right, lenny. appreciate your call this morning. let's hear from janice now. janice is calling from midlothian, virginia, yes. janice, go ahead. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say today is december 3. it is route 7: 40 in the morning

-- 7:40 in the morning. it is 60 degrees outside, which is crazy to me. growing up on the east coast in december, it was not 60 degrees. there is something definitely going on. it should not be 60 degrees outside right now, so i don't know what other people are thinking or how they are thinking, but to me i have never seen 60 degrees in "the wintertime." this is december. it should not be 60. something is definitely going on. i wish people would do it little more research to get more informed. something is not right. it is just not right. thank you. i appreciate you taking my call. host: thank you for your call this morning. let's hear from darrell now in california, somewhat concerned. caller: yeah, hi. ok, i understand the science and believe in the data involved.

lots of glaciers melting, record temperatures every year. there is no way anyone can deny global warming exists. the only thing is i am not so sure there is anything we can do about it because it does happen every few million years or whatever. the main reason i am concerned is because i will probably be dead before it gets to bed but if i had family, i would be concerned. but i do think there is anything we can do about it. host: thank you for calling in. next all the land from new york, peter, not concerned. go ahead. caller: not concerned. there was a very good program on newsmax called the climate conversation. you can see it on youtube, so i suggest you people out there look at it. it gives you a lot of the facts.

they say that 97% of scientists say that global warming is true, and it is true. the planet has been warming for the last 12,000 years, since the last ice age ended it was actually warmer -- ended. it was actually warmer 2000 years ago during the roman empire. they were growing citrus fruit in northern england, which you cannot do today. carbon dioxide levels, the problem is they manipulate the data and they only go back so far. we actually have more hurricanes in the 1950's than we do now. really, the biggest threat today is overpopulation. we just broke 8 billion in population in the world. that is the main reason why these hurricanes and everything are so devastating, because we have 340 million people in this country now and a lot of people

live in areas where there were no people at one time. that is why you see all of this devastation. people need to look at the facts used to go, you had joe, a climatologist guy, and he explained a lot of this stuff. i suggest you bring back some of these people and let the people actually see the facts. the planet is warming. no scientist denies that fact, that the planet is warming, but it started warming a long time before the industrial revolution. if the carbon dioxide levels in the area get too low, we will go back and have another ice age because that is what keeps the planet warm. host: can i ask you a question? i think it is interesting you say there is no doubt the planet is warming. do you think americans have any responsibility or should try to do what they can to have not

reversed, slow down the warming? are there any actions people can take to address it or try to stop the planet from warming? caller: well, the thing is there is a controversy between co2 levels and actual warming. the scientists don't actually agree that is the problem. if you actually look over the last 800,000 years, the levels of co2 were actually historically low, but if you go back the last 100 years, it is higher and has aggressively got higher, but if you look all the way back, which they do with ice cores they take up at the north pole, you will see the levels are actually lower. but it is the level of carbon dioxide. if it gets too low, what happens is plants sucking carbon dioxide, and they convert into oxygen, ok?

that carbon dioxide gets put back in the ground, and during that cycle, eventually the carbon dioxide levels get so low that the planet starts to cool because actually oxygen causes the planet to cool. if you don't have volcanic activity, because volcanic activity actually puts a lot of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, so that is why you have these cycles. also, the planet shifts. there is something copper session where their earth changes every 26,000 years, and that has an effect on the climate. at one time, the desert in saudi arabia actually was green 20,000 years ago. as the planet tips, it will go back again. host: i appreciate your call. appreciate your call. thank you for sharing your insights with us. let's go move on the california.

chris is on the yes line. go ahead. caller: you know, i am on the banks of the sea here. it is being called a lithium c. they project they will take $1 trillion worth of lithium out of the geothermal plants and drill into the core of the earth. there is no bedrock to keep all of that stuff from coming up. we have naturally occurring geothermal wells, which will produce about $1 trillion worth of lithium over the next few years, and they make all of it in batteries and don't even need china. we will keep the money here in this country. that is my thought. host: all right, chris. on the line from mississippi, philip says somewhat concerned. caller: well, i would be 100%,

but you cannot bring along 50% of the population, particularly in our country, to believe that even exists, then what is there for me to get all uptight about and lose my mind? i just want to make a couple suggestions that may help with the situation. i have a solution type of person, you know. maybe if we can just find enough industries that could create solar panels to go on top of our existing cars, we would not be brought up into this i have to get an electric car and pay $50,000 for a type of thing. i think that is what has a lot of people rattled that it is a scheme or scam to make money. it is real, people, get a grip. the heat in this earth has caused all kinds of malfunctions we are witnessing. i don't know how -- it is

unbelievable how many people in this country don't see i to i when it comes to reality -- eye to eye when it comes to reality. my thing is solve what we have. let's not get into all of the different technologies until we discover what we can do with the existing materials we already have to used to fight it, but to get out of the denial piece is the main problem this country has so i will not rack my brain and go crazy trying to convince those who won't want to see reality. host: all right, philip. appreciate your call. let's hear from deborah now in virginia on the no line. caller: yes. hi. good morning. thank you for accepting my call. my biggest problem is, first of all, the technical term of the

scum of the mantle of the earth, such a tiny part of this earth. the earth is 4.2 billion years old. the biggest violator of co2 emissions are volcanoes. volcanoes create mass for this earth. unfortunately, the term before was global warming. they found out a bunch of the tacticians were fudging data, using them to get grant money, and it is unfortunate because they were greedy about it. now they changed the term to climate change, which is obvious. the climate is changing all the time, but we can't be responsible for terms that have been created in the past on a false premise.

the earth is 4.2 billion years old. it will do as it wishes with or without as, without extorting taxpayer money. the biggest violators are the electric cars. they have a 2000 pound battery. we should actually go to nh3 you're clothes, which is a conversion kit that can fit on any car for $1200. the byproduct of that emission is water. you're being conned quite a bit. i cannot believe this is not a huge violation of the environment, that we will put 2000 pound expired batteries into this earth, and we are going to dig apart this earth create electric batteries. it is blasphemy. they should really think of the nh3 conversion tips for any

engine. that is a more honest approach. host: deborah, appreciate your call. we got your point. before we go to another call to my want to read some of the responses we recveon social media. dad writes, yes, i am concerned, climate change is earth's national ournce. i'm also concerned with pollution and the effect it has on the health of our environment and the health every living species. john michael davis writes, everyone should be, but as you can see, people still have thr heads stuck in the sand. bill king writes, independent from michigan, yes, but there are more pressinises to contend with, such as the corruption in d.c.,he border, and taking carof our veterans. chelle writes, i am concerned that eleed officials are using climate change to gain wealth and power. so again, those are some of the responses we are receiving. we want to hear more from you.

if your answer is yes, you are concerned about climate change, call us at (202) 748-8000. no, if no is your answer, (202) 748-8001. if you say you are somewhat concerned, you can call us at (202) 748-8002. because we do have time for more of your calls, let's go to jonathan now in washington, d.c. you say yes, jonathan. caller: yes. good morning. i would first like to say that much of the debate concerning climate is bs because so much can be done by regulation without spending a dime. but our political leadership nationally and universally does not have the courage to make those changes. for instance, jimmy carter

created a very revolutionary, act which was gutted purpe -- which was gutted, purpa, which enabled independent manufacturing and industrial consumers to produce the same energy cheaper than their local utility they could and the utility would have to buy it. the way this would happen is that what is not included are externalities. this is the economic term for pollution. now, why should consumers pay for externalities when utilities and the oil and gas companies profit from it? well, in fact, externalities are not included because no one has

the leadership courage to give a punch to the oil and gas industry. another example, and this is really basic, anyone can see it. all we have to do is walk along connecticut avenue during rush hour. almost every car bumper-to-bumper is a single occupancy car. if you look at rush hour, for instance, all the vehicles have at least two or three people in them and there would be a lot fewer cars on the road. obviously, these are very difficult changes to make, but none of them cost a dime. it just involves huge lifestyle changes, which we are not capable of doing, changing. host: all right, robert -- i am

sorry, jonathan. quickly wrap up because we have to go to our next caller. caller: a flow of technology which would dramatically reduce carbon emissions is called cogeneration. that is a process where the benefactors have a facility which produces power in the way most generators do, but the way heat is used to heat the facility, which reduces the emissions. host: all right, jonathan. appreciate your call this morning. now we are going to robert in greenville, texas. you are somewhat concerned , robert. caller: i am somewhat concerned. i will not be long-winded with it. global climate temperatures and rising sea level, sure, it will be the biggest challenge i think

modern humans have ever faced. it is going to be up on the same level as probably the pandemic we just went through, but the fact of the matter is to substantially change the earth's climate to control mother nature is far beyond any technology we have right now. it is a tremendous cost and may very well have little to no impact on altering mother earth's natural cycles. we think we can do it. we think that we can make personal choices at home and how much you drive and on a bicycle or not to go to your local convenience store. we can think all of that, but mother nature is far more

powerful than anything humans can do right now, and my only hope is we tend to do huge things when we put our minds to it. we can put a man on the moon. we can harness nuclear energy. we can do things that were not even dreamed of 50 or 100 years ago. my hope is mankind will develop systems. sure, i think the government can play a big role in this. i don't know whatever happened to that. maybe we need to give up a little of our liberties, but to control mother nature, i just don't think we are there yet to have solutions to control the weather. host: all right, robert. appreciate your call this morning. let's go to seattle now. frank is on the no line. caller: thank you for taking my

call. e ther, recent call -- the recent caller, he took the words out of my mouth. should call it the big blue marble the earth as we know it, we can call it -- we are able to realize they measure the temperature, and we call it karma change all we want, but i think knowing that there are other galaxies and solar systems and other planets, there is no way we can pinpoint the cause of what is happening as we are not intelligent enough. i do not believe. to label a change and base it on

our intelligence. we are capable. you know how big -- we landed -- we go to other planets. telling ourselves -- we are telling ourselves this. but for communication's sake, yes, it is good we are aware that this part that we are not -- we are insignificant compared as your last caller just referred to mother nature. our ability, we know the temperature everywhere. host: all right, frank. i think we got your point there. we will need to move on. cj is calling from niagara

falls, new york. you say you are concerned. caller: yeah, without a doubt. good morning, miss mitchell. i like some of the comments of some of the callers. some of them seem to have a scientific background, which is great. i am going to come at it from a little bit of a different point of view. i tend to think we cannot control mother nature-type things, but we have also exported like so much of our industrial and mechanical prowess to the far east for the most part, and i am a rustbelt kid. i grew up in waters you could not drink or swim in, but all of

that being said, as a nation, as a patriot, as an american, i think that we should do a whole lot better than just say, well, let's just let private enterprise be private enterprise and we will deal with the consequences later because we are just dumb americans at this point. i don't ever want to believe that about i think with a lot more spirit and grit and -- host: alright, i'm gonna need to leave it there, but i appreciate your call. mark, irvine california, not concerned. caller: good morning, c-span,

thank you for taking my call. no, i'm not even marginally concerned about climate change. i think it is a fabrication of the corrupt politicians, most of them, the rich ones live on the beach. i also have a lot of faith in mother nature who can handle all this stuff. basically i think the climate change is a fabrication designed to take away our liberties, our freedoms by power-hungry, corrupt politicians in washington, d.c. host: all right, mark, willie will stop right there, take a quick rate. today on washington journal, we will be talking to a liberal and a conservative columnist about campaign 2024 and major news of the day. next, the editor of the new republic and later, president of

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at the national level, anyway. i think that the state and local levels, do get done. we saw that recently in north carolina where democrats and some republicans agreed to extend medicaid into the state. so away from this city, sometimes things get done. but here in washington at the federal level, it is very toxic and the divisions are very real. it is about what division of the country people adhere to and believe in. there is no terribly easy way to settle these questions. host: let's talk about 2024. we are going to show the real clear politics polling average right now. again, about a year out. we've got trump pulling about 47% nationally, biden polling around 45% nationally. when we look at the polling averages for the gop presidential primary, we've got trump pulling nationally around

52%, desantis 14%, nikki haley 10%. let's start with this republican primary because that is a little bit more pressing with the first caucuses starting in january. do you think there is any chance trump is not the republican nominee and if so, what factors would impact the shape of the republican nomination? guest: i think the chances very slim that he is not going to be the nominee. i wouldn't say never. some form of lightning could strike. he could have some health issue incident. there could be some kind of revelation. of course, we've seen a lot of revelations and none of them have peeled away the base report. swing voters are different now. his base support just gets

stronger with each one of these indictments, each one of these revelations and so on. so i would put it at best a 10% chance that he's not the nominee. host: we talk about right now in the national polling averages, trump is quietly ahead of biden. this is an article from the associated press, the headline is a year from 2024 elections, biden memo says he will -- drawing contrast to trump. basically saying biden is going to go with what works for democrats in 2020, that midterm election when they did pretty well. do you think that is a wise strategy? guest: i do. there's a concept that political scientists call negative partisanship. positive partisanship is i like my person. i like biden, i like trump. negative partisanship is i hate that other you know what and i'm

going to vote to keep him out. and all the studies in political science show that negative partisanship is stronger and works better and is more effective than positive partisanship the vast majority of the time. so that is why we have such negative races here and that is why all the ads, 90% of the ads people see our attack ads. negative partisanship, for better or worse, it works. they are both going to be drawing a lot of contrasts. host: again, we are talking to michael to muskie, about political topics of the day and campaign 2024. we want to open up the phone lines and hear your questions for michael or if you have any comments you want to share about political news of the day, to remind you of the phone lines, if you are a republican, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8000

. -- (202) 748-8001. if you're a democrat, call us at (202) 748-8000. if you are an independent, your number is (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. go ahead and start calling in because we are going to get to your calls and just a moment. but before we do open up the phone lines, as the new republic editor, i want to bring up a column you wrote about former president trump. the headline says it is official , trump is now using straight out nazi talk. and i want to read a little bit of an excerpt from this column. before we get to that, let's just record what he wrote instead. on saturday at 10:25 with an untruth social in honor of our great veterans on veterans day, we pledge to you that we will

root out the communists, marxists, fascist and radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, lie, steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible legally or illegally to destroy america and the american dream, then at a rally in new hampshire later that day, he repeated those words, essentially verbatim, promising to "root out the radical left bugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country and doubled down on it. the real threat is not from the radical right, it is from the radical left and it is growing every day, every single day. the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. our threat is from within. and here is how your analysis starts. this is straight up nazi talk in a way he has never done quite before to announce that the real enemy is domestic and to speak of the enemy in subhuman terms is fascism 101, especially that

particular word. your columns, you don't mince words, but explain why you feel that it is nazi talk and why you think that is problematic for a leading candidate for president. >> sure. i wasn't the only person to say this, i don't think it's even particularly controversial. you should never compare people to nazis but these days i think it would be irresponsible not to. to use a word like vermin, that is exactly the way hitler's talked about the jews. you will see them drawn as rats all the time. not once or twice, frequently. so to call people vermin which is essentially synonymous with rats is to make in subhuman and

to make them the target of hatred. it gives a license to the state to do whatever it needs to do to them. now, trump's targets are not jews. it is broader than that, in some way more worrisome because it is everybody isn't a maga american. why is it dangerous? we live in a democracy, we don't live in a one-party dictatorship. we live in a nation where we are supposed to be political foes and have vigorous battles of ideas about what we think the proper vision of the country is. but we are not supposed to call each other subhuman species and dangerous to the very fabric of the republic. host: what do you think democrats should do to counter trump and what do you think democrats should do noting that

trump is not only leading amongst republican candidates, and a lot of polls he is leading against joe biden. guest: he is. it's going to be a very tough race and everybody i know who has my general politics is incredibly nervous about it. perhaps we will get into reasons why biden is not doing better, but trump's rhetoric is obviously appealing to a pretty significant percentage of the population. who agrees with him about all of these things. as for swing voters, and these are the people who will decide the election, a quite small number of people in a small number of states, as we seen, trump winning by 77,000 votes in 2016, it is that small group of people in a small number of states who are going to make it up.

i think those people don't love donald trump and they are turned off by some of his extremist rhetoric, but they don't see him as a unique threat to democracy in the way that most liberals do. so bidens challenge, or one of them, is to get those swing voters in wisconsin and what have you to see the uniqueness of the threat. it's not easy to do. host: we are going to go to the phone lines now. again, if you have a question or comment for michael, give us a call. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. we are ready to hear from you now. first up is gail in north carolina on the democratic line. what is your question or comment? caller: my comment is biden has

so many positive things to run on but he is too nice to trump and he won't even say his name and i think it is a shame. if he doesn't start punching back at trump with all of trump's crimes and felonies, 90 one felonies, the insurrection and all the things that he has done that are un-american, that our people, if biden doesn't start fighting back, he's not going to win this. biden needs to start standing up and start punching back and let america know. a lot of these people don't even look at the news. all they see is i am going to vote for trump, they don't even see that he has 91 felonies, sexual assault charges. people don't even realize it. biden needs to start getting stronger with his punches and start saying trump's name and saying the things that trump is trying to do.

he wants to cage children again, take the people that were here that were born from immigrants. he wants to send them back. he wants to overthrow the doj, he wants to do away with the department of education. biden needs to start talking about all the stuff. if he doesn't, he's not going to win. he needs to start fighting back. host: michael, your thoughts? guest: i basically agree with the caller. we should clarify that they are counts, their charges. he hasn't been convicted of anything yet but he's going to be on trial. i would say to gail i understand the frustration. it is still almost a year out. 11 months and a week. that is going to change. i think you are going to see biden get much more aggressive on the attack and trump is going to be spending a lot of the year in the courtroom. he may will be, i think he probably will be convicted of at least one thing by election day and maybe more than one thing.

i think we will see biden do a lot of those things that the caller suggested. but her frustration is something that i hear a lot from people in that corner. host: let's go to florida now. the independent line, you are on. caller: newsmax, that's not real news. they bring him on at any place. he also attacked the capitol on january 6, tried to kill his vice president. these people who watch fox news, they don't realize. $300 million. they paid $300 million and tucker carlson got out of there. they think that they listen to real news over there. you won't see them in stories no

more. donald trump lies every time he talks. last night he says he won the selection. they cheated me. they didn't cheat him, he lost. people ought to remember, mike pence said my son told me that i have to do the right thing. that is why he did it. that was a disgrace what happened on january 6 and these people that watch newsmax, i've watched it once in a while, that is not even a new station. watch cnn a little bit. host: we appreciate your call. stan talks about the media assignment. i know you write for what is considered a liberal publication. but how much do you think the polarized media climate has contributed to the polarized

politics that you mentioned? >> it's impossible to overstate. and by the way, fox seven that lawsuit -- settled that lawsuit for $700 million. that part of the story isn't over. but yeah, i don't know how partisan you want me to be on c-span, but fox news does things that is just not really journalism. some of the people there are journalists, but most of it is propaganda. a lot of it is just flat out propaganda that is aimed -- nothing good can be said about joe on that network. if he cured cancer, the fox headline would be "what about alzheimer's?" other right-wing outlets have driven this economy narrative

where these polls for the people think the economy is awful, awful, even though many indicators are quite good. the influence is vast. i've been doing this for a long time, i remember when fox news was created in 1996 and i remember even going back further than that, the early efforts to build a conservative right wing media because they all felt that the mainstream media is way too liberal. back then, the mainstream media was about this big in the right wing media was about this big. now they are about the same size. host: let's hear from jan. jan is calling for mississippi on the republican line. caller: thanks for taking my call this morning. i have so much i want to say and i hope you give me a chance. first of all, i disagree with the statement that the gentleman just made. you are going to find out that

liberals are on the majority of the media and they are backing the democrats. and if you are paying attention, if you watch the news every day, you will see what has happened, that the democrats are accusing the magas of -- joe biden, exactly what they did to trump all these years. that is the reason that they are for trump, because of the abuse, the propaganda and the lies that have been told about him for the last almost eight years or whatever it is. it is infuriating. and the intelligent people who are really paying attention to the news are going to see the bias in the news. there is bias on almost every

channel. fox news, they are mainly conservative, but almost all the rest of the media is liberal. and these democrats, how dumb are you not to see that you are the ones who have actually been lied to? you are the one to have been propagandized. host: i think we got your point, so i'm going to stop you there and let michael respond. guest: there's not that much to say. we live in two different media realities. there are definitely critiques to be made of the mainstream media, no question about that. the new york times, the washington post, i assume they are going to endorse joe biden over donald trump, so i guess that makes them liberal. but if the new york times or the

washington post were handed a scandal story about joe biden, they would report it and print it. i'm not sure right-wing outlets would do the same if they were handed similar information about trump. host: next up we are going to hear from joe in el paso, texas. go ahead, joe. caller: yes. we as democrats or even republicans, we are all americans. inflation is way out of line. we got gas prices, immigration coming across the border. this is deadly to a lot of american citizens. our immigrants are receiving all kinds of benefits toward people who are making 20,000, $30,000

who don't qualify for any kind of benefits. he gets all kind of benefits, housing, food, telephones, credit cards. politics is something that we have no control over. that is something we are never going to touch. host: that was a caller concerned about immigration. what are your thoughts on what the caller had to say? guest: that with the democratic line? interesting. back to fox news and the right wing media, they hammer on the border incessantly. i would not say there is not any issue there, of course there are. of course immigration is really divisive, it is the issue that really was very galvanizing for

the tea party in 2010. it is very galvanizing for maga america. i wouldn't say it is not a problem. i would say, though, there are solutions to it. and we came close to a solution 10 years ago. the senate with hefty republican support passed a bipartisan bill that would have tightened border security and provide pathways to citizenship for the dreamers, so-called. and would have done other things. and then it got killed in the house. it could have passed the house. john boehner respectfully could have brought that bill to the floor any day and it would have passed, but it would not have passed with majority republican support, and therefore would

have cost him the speakership, so he never brought it to the floor. to talk about what goes on in the city as opposed to the rest of the country, it just became intractable but there are solutions, and everybody knows that. host: i want to get two more callers, but you mentioned boehner's speakership, you alluded to kevin mccarthy losing his speakership. what are your thoughts, particularly in the house, about seeing not only the breakdown among house republicans, but now there is a flood of retirements and people saying they are not going to run again leading to a lot of hand-wringing that the next congress could be even more junior, even more partisan? what are your thoughts on the trajectory we are seeing in the u.s. house? guest: a couple things. on the republican side, the

freedom caucus, the most extreme members, 40 or 50 kind of call the shots. mccarthy catered to them, although not enough, and johnson seems to be catering to them. he just announced they're going to pursue impeachment perhaps this week on joe biden. i think that will backfire on them, but certainly his moderate members, and there are a few of those, they don't want to see that happen. the freedom caucus is kind of call in the shop and i think they are discovering that whoever gets into that speakership does have to govern at some level of the end of the day. they have to pass the budget, they have to make sure that military people keep getting their paychecks. and if they want to shutdown the government and risk soldiers knocking their paychecks, whoever is in that speaker's chair is going to find that that is something they just can't do.

and then people on the extreme right will say you compromised. on the democratic side, you are seeing a number of retirements of people saying this is just not worth it anymore. most of the people i talk to feel pretty good about democrat changes of retaking the house. there are 18 republican to represent districts where joe biden beat donald trump. there are only five democrat to represent district were donald trump joe biden. democrats look at those and they feel pretty decent about their chances of retaking the house. host: this go back to the phone lines. we are with michael tomasky. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. we are going to go to queens, new york now.

clyde is on the independent line. caller: ok, yes. see, i am an independent and i vote democrat. i voted for biden and i believe that he might be getting bad advice. if he's going to base everything on everybody says he is going to run against trump, people who are dissatisfied with him are going to turn around and go well, we are going to hold on those. that's not going to happen because young people are not going to vote for him number two, the arab people are not going to vote for him at number three, black people are going to sit this thing out. most of my friends would say they are sitting this thing out because of the floyd bill, the louisville, the reparations thing.

when he came against the reparations thing, that killed him right there. also, the latest thing just put a nail in his coffin. host: that caller mentioned three important demographic -- democratic coalition. young people, arab and muslim people, black people. is biden struggling with those? guest: no question that he is. i would say as i said earlier to the first caller, it's almost a year, things will change. in the heat of the competition next october, i would think a lot of people will say or at the very least history would say that a lot of people who are being very lukewarm now will say well, there is a lot at stake, i

guess i will vote for him. but these are real, real issues. trump levels of support among african-americans and latinos is higher than many republicans have had in recent american history. i think a lot of that has to do with this narrative about the economy. and it has a lot to do with inflation, and i can point to any number of good economic indicators by understand if people say well, gases whatever. it actually cost a little less than last year, but it is still up relative twin biden took office and i understand that that is what people think of when they think of the economy. israel-palestine is certainly way up there.

host: so when it comes to the israel-palestine conflict, what is the solution knowing that it is really polarizing among democrats? what would you suggest the white house do to address the fact that the democratic party is split on how to best respond? guest: this is when i am glad i am not paid to that job. it's among the most intractable issues in the country and it really does dramatically split democrats along generational lines and other lines, but mostly generational. biden started out by hugging netanyahu, he went over to talk about israel in the same way he spoke about ukraine. we understand the savagery of october 7, but let's not equate

these two situations in that same way. they are sending signals now, quite strong signals just yesterday that i read about to israel to find ways to work harder to minimize innocent deaths, to make sure people have access to medical supplies, food and water. we've seen a bit of a pivot and think we will see more of that. host: let's go back to the phone lines. connecticut, independent line. caller: yes, hello, thank you for taking my call.

the point i like to make, i am an independent and i always have been. i would vote for the better candidate to do the right job, do the right thing for the country. i jumped on the trump bandwagon or as people call it, maga people because trend resonated to my feelings. but really what caught my ear was when the democrats started to bash him and right away it was the russia collusion which turned out to be a nothing burger and now the media that people are calling hard-core democrats say trump has 91 indictments. he hasn't been convicted on many of them. me as an average person can see through this that the democrats

are trying to hold back a candidate that may be they fear. i believe that if trump was not pursued as such an evil man, the game would be different today. america to me is definitely a one sided -- if you are in the narrative of politics, you're going to be roasted, and that is what they are trying to do to this man. host: i'm going to stop you there to let michael respond. guest: i don't think i'm going to say anything that is going to convince him, but i will just say this. trump has convinced his people that these indictments have been brought against him as a way of stopping him from the coming president next year. the other school thought is that

these were brought against him because there is credible evidence of a crime, period. i would remind lou and anybody else who agrees with him that joe biden didn't bring these indictments, merrick garland didn't bring these. grand jury's brought most of these indictments. citizens of the united states sitting in a jury room, in a courtroom, hearing evidence for weeks and months. not going to their jobs, not seeing their families. citizens of the united states hearing evidence and deciding that there is enough credible evidence for the prosecutor to bring an indictment. that is actually how our system works. citizens making decisions, not joe biden or merrick garland. host: next up, democratic line. john is calling from sacramento, california. caller: hello, good morning

c-span. i've been listening and hearing other people complain about america and the way that everything is ran around here, but i'm going to tell you, i wish you could tell these people if they give up america and go into the third reich, this russia-type thing, we ain't gonna have no rights. you are crying about biden right now. you wait until trump gets in office and does the things he wants to do. you think you ain't going in some of those concentration camps he is talking about opening up? you'd better understand that you will be in there. this is heather brown church got started. when i was in high school i used to wonder, how did those people take over russia like that?

those people took over russia just like these maga people taking over america and you people voting for this man, you do not know what the heck you are getting yourself into because he is definitely going to turn this country into a communist country. you guys don't even see it. and it is like you don't even care. these black people talking about i'm going to vote for trump. what the heck, you don't vote for somebody who is going to put your behind and the concentration camp. i mean, come on. you've got to listen, man. you've got to listen to trump. he is telling you what he is going to do. he is going to take away democracy. host: got your point, appreciate your call. michael? guest: at the new republic, i may as well put in a little plug here, we sound these kinds of

alarms every day. i don't agree with every single word but i agree with the broad sentiment and we see a lot of new stories in the new york times and elsewhere, the times didn't dig out these plans that trump is making for a new term, if he should win one, about how he's going to fill the federal bureaucracy with loyalist sycophants and try to destroy the agencies of the government and their independence and so forth. trump people went to the new york times and told them this is what we are going to do. this is our plan. they are being open about it. if people care to read, the trump people are being very open about the move that they are going to make if he returns to office in 2025. that will be very deleterious to our democratic norms and

traditions. it will take away a lot of people's rights. they are saying it. at the new republic we are trying to say and a lot of places are trying to say it, it is going to depend on how many people vote against trump because of it. host: let's hear from robert now in silver spring, maryland, republican line. caller: i just want to start by saying i have voted for a democrat for president, i also voted for trump the first time and i do think that the republicans are not correct on climate or immigration. with that out of the way, i don't see any point in voting for democrats anymore. i think you've got to go republican. trump, he needs another chance for two reasons. one, there is way too much crime in the big cities. the democrats and the justice

reform soft on crime is getting out of hand. stabbings, shootings, people using drugs openly in the street and they are getting released in two hours. we can't have that. also, abortion up until birth, the democrats are pushing that, that is horrendous. thank you. host: your thoughts about crime being something that brings democrats down? guest: well, it has for a long, long time. republicans have used crime as an issue since the 60's. it is not something the president really has much to do with and even justice department's don't have a whole lot to do with it. but funding for local police departments from justice department to justice department whether hunter biden or trump,

it doesn't change that much. it is really a local issue. vote for a different mayor, vote for a different legislator, vote for a different governor. i understand but you can't really tell people that. it is like the border. democrats have to have an answer for it and they have to have something to say for it. both parties want voters to head into the voting booth thinking about a certain set of issues. if they are thinking about the border and crime, they vote republican. if they are thinking about climate change and abortion rights and livable wage, they are going to vote republican. every election is that kind of context. what we want on voters minds on election day? host: our next caller is in

orlando, florida, independent line. caller: hello? good morning, guys. first of all, i just want to thank c-span for accepting my call. i'm going to go ahead and assume that i'm a bit younger than the average person that calls into washington journal. host: tell us how old you are. caller: i just turned 31 in september. and i guess i've been keeping up with politics in the united states since i was younger just because my dad was very involved in it and as a result i remember pretty much the political landscape that i grew up with. bush and everything after that i'm very familiar with. i definitely was not involved enough to understand the entire political landscape at the time. i guess my main question is how did we get so unbelievably

divided as a country and has there ever been anything like this before in your experience? host: and before michael responds, we do appreciate when our younger viewers call us, so thank you for representing millenials on washington journal. go ahead, michael. guest: i see where this requires a really long answer but i will do my best. has there ever been anything like this? kind of in the 1850's. i'm not quite that old. but what happened in this country after world war ii is that the two political parties became not terribly ideologically driven. there were a whole bunch of historical reasons that we don't have time to get into, but from 1945 through 1975 or 1980, you have liberal democrats, conservative democrats.

you had conservative and liberal republicans, quite a few in the 1960's and 1970's. then over the course of the 70's and 80's, that overlap less ened over immigration, race, abortion rights, other cultural issues. that is what happened. the parties went from being this being here and here. i would say the republican party more extreme the democratic party which, i don't see any particular way out of this unfortunately. host:host: we are going to leave it there, thanks again for joining us. coming up later on washington journal, star parker, president of the center for urban renewal giving us a conservative

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independent, (202) 748-8002. we are ready to get through to your calls right now. let's start with linda on the republican line. what are your thoughts today, linda? caller: my thoughts are although i'm a registered republican, i voted for trump the first time, i did not vote for him the second time, and i worry that president biden and the democrats don't want to be honest with the public about immigration. about people desperate they worried about the economy. there are many, many, many programs out there to help people along and it is immigration that has people up in arms. it is all over new york city, long island. it is all tiktok. it is not something that can be denied or not worded on. and people are scared.

they are scared about who is in our country, and we should be. that to me is the number one issue. bobby kennedy is going to try to get people's attention away from president biden because he seems like a levelheaded guy. i really, really worried that president biden is making a big mistake on immigration and not doing something about the border and the people who may be coming over here. that's all i have to say. host: next up is christopher in malibu, california. independent line. caller: there is something that nobody is talking about because our gaze is so close that we need to look at the perspective here. who is going to rebuild gaza? we have leveled it, we have destroyed it. we have no homes to go home to. who is going to rebuild that?

and in the next year, that is going to be the issue. when the funding stops, everybody is going to look around and go ok, it is america again. no other country is going to touch it. so it is going to be back to our tax dollars, rebuilding what we see. nobody is addressing that. that is when the voting is going to count. host: all right, christopher. next up, green town pennsylvania. calvin on the democratic line. caller: hello, can you hear me? host: yes, go ahead. caller: yes, i just wanted to comment that something very odd that i've been noticing about our media. and when i say media, i mean media across the board, not conservative or liberal. and that is they are operating

in exactly the same way, in that i was hoping the media would inform us so that we could make rational decisions about things, but it seems that rather than matt, i'm not sure what they're doing, let me give you an example. when it comes to the administration of joe biden, if you took all of the stories and ran them through an analysis program, you would see a negative sentiment. but no matter what happens, if there is something negative that happens, the story will be on a continuous loop. if there is something positive that happens, you will hear well, this good thing happened, however, and then they will talk about a lot of negative things. sometimes it doesn't even have anything to do with the story. like if we have the highest gdp we've had in decades, they will

say the gdp was five point something percent. however, inflation was this, back, and the other and they will talk about these other things rather than the positive story. and no matter what, whether it is cnn or fox news, they all do this the same. when joe biden comes out to talk about anything of importance, they will give him like 20 words and then they will start talking over him and cut away. we never hear what is going on. on the border, he just came out with a package to handle the water crisis which is basically the problem is coming from congestion, we don't have enough judges and courts to adjudicate these claims, so that is causing all the backup and people to have to be released. he came out and said i'm going to allocate money so that we have more judges and we can get people out of the country that don't belong and we can adjudicate those that do.

i am putting money in for extra border agents and extra technology. nobody knows that. the government just says the border, and that is it. so i don't know what is going on with the media. host: appreciate your call. we are going to go now to the republican line. billy is in indiana. go ahead, billy. caller: yeah, i'd like to talk about all the money that is being stolen from taxpayer money that has been stoled. there was $100 million missing from the pentagon. we've got so much money out here. during donald trump's presidency, the biden-china, he

hadn't spent hardly any money at all. he didn't even take pay for himself. he was trying to get our deficit straightened out. just check it out and look at how much money trump has spent on the china virus that hit us. it was all a big scam, everybody knows it. but also, this election was a fraud. there american people aren't as stupid as everybody thinks they are. we've seen all the stuff that went on during the video election. we've seen all the ballots,

there was 30,000 found in a box. they just shoved it under the rug. three different types of mail-in ballot papers, three different kinds. host: billy, i got your point, we appreciate you calling us this morning. we are going to hear now from michigan, independent line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i'm an independent who has historically voted democrat. i no longer will vote democrat until they address lineage-based reparations for black americans. also anti-black american crime bill and also until they stop illegal immigration. also, my last point, please stop referring to black americans as african-americans. that helps create -- against

black americans. host: so who do you plan on voting for? caller: right now i'm unsure. i will wait to see who addresses lineage-based reparations. host: thanks for your call this morning. jim is up next in ohio on the democratic line. are you one? caller: good morning, i am independent mostly but i want to make a comment. i've been on c-span since 1980. 80 years old. if the topic is climate, i think they should do that as much as possible. thank you for giving the time. the thing with climate change as we have been doing two feet

forward, three feet backwards. now, we have pity lending and a pawn shop -- payday lending and a pawn shop. priorities are important. on climate change, they are talking about the border, biden, and budget. the oil and gas industry for the past 53 years that i know, i used to teach public policy, i'm not against gasoline, but we don't teach science in high school most of the time. they are all over tiktok. i am sorry to say it. i am not a pessimist. i am 80 years old. host: appreciate your call this morning. on the line from north carolina, archie is calling as a republican. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to respond to the

last guest with what has happened between the democrats and republicans. the used to be close in the way they thought and their values and all. as time went on when they begin to separate and even more later on, the parties were overlapping before pretty good because they were still pretty much in the same moral status. one party has gone to long in the area of funding. i would like to say to the young people that people 60 and above are different from young people. young people do not believe there are consequences to their actions. if you don't believe there are consequences, evaluate your life closely and you can tell what has happened to you and the reason it happened to you is not

living to the moral values of the good book. if you don't believe the good book is right, evaluate your life. host: we will get to more of your calls during open forum. first, we want to update on news of particularly israel's war with hamas. i would like to show you a headline from the associated press. it says israel's war with hamas resumes with airstrikes in gaza after weeklong truce ends. it says israel's war with hamas erupted again friday as airstrikes hit houses and buildings in the gaza strip minutes after a weeklong truce expired. authorities in the besieged territory reported dozens of palestinians killed and israel dropped leaflets over gaza city and southern parts of the enclave urging civilians to flee

to avoid fighting. militants in gaza resumed firing rockets into israel. fighting broke out between israel and hezbollah militants along the northern border with lebanon. the resumption of the war threatens to compound the suffering in gaza from 2 million people, almost the entire population are crammed into the south where israel urged people to relocate as the war started and has since vowed to extend its ground assault. unable to go to north gaza or neighboring egypt, their only escape is to move around within the 85 square mile area. that is the latest. now, i want to bring up some comments by vice president kamala harris. she was speaking a little bit about the resumption of fighting and about israel's conflict with

hamas. let's listen. [video clip] vice president harris: let me be clear as i have said before, we cannot conflate hamas with the palestinian people. hamas is a brutal terrorist organization. it has vowed to repeat october 7 until israel is annihilated. no nation could possibly live with such danger which is why we support israel's legitimate military objective to eliminate the threat of hamas. president biden and i have also been clear with the israeli government in public and private many times. as israel defends itself, it matters how. the united states is unequivocal. international humanitarian law must be respected. too many innocent palestinians have been killed. frankly, the scale of civilian

suffering and the images and videos coming from gaza are devastating. i have spoken with members of the palestinian, arab, and muslim communities of america, including those who have lost loved ones in gaza and american citizens who were injured and evacuated from gaza. it is truly heartbreaking. as israel pursues its military objectives in gaza, we believe israel must do more to protect innocent civilians. host: that was vice president kamala harris speaking saturday about the conflict between israel and hamas and urging israel to do more to protect palestinians in gaza. we are in open forum. we want to hear from you, what is on your mind about politics or the news of the day. republicans can call us at 202-748-8001.

democrats at 202-748-8000. independents at 202-748-8002. from the independent line, ryan is calling from phoenix, arizona. you are on. caller: thank you for taking my call. listening to the last guy and some of these callers, i will not vote democrat again. i was a clinton guy. i was raised democrat. i voted for obama. it has nothing to do with racism or anything like that. i think the democratic party is crazy. we survived four years of trump. i think it was better. the world seems like it is going crazy. the democratic agenda, the new world order, what is going on all over the world. the lockdowns from covid. hearing these people calling

saying everything crazy happened with trump and the world was going to end with trump, we are on this wrong path right now. the democrats are crazy. host: all right. let's go to boca raton, florida, ronald on the democratic line. caller: yes, good morning. i'm not calling politically for any reason. i'm calling with what i believe could be answers to some of the problems. number one, the border. if everybody came to the border had someone they could go live with, a friend, cousin, uncle, and they were guaranteed housing, it would be simple to check that out. and number two, this country is short of the type of people who want the jobs available. these people would have homes. they would have a job. we would not just tie-up at the border. people would not come to the border unless they had a relatively could go to. number two, the other subject

i'm concerned about is abortion. i don't want to be pro and i don't want to be con. but if we are a democracy, why don't we have a boat and the majority wins? why does each state have to be separate? it becomes a serious and borderline problem between states. my third comment is about gasoline. everybody does not realize we produce more gasoline than we have ever produced in our lifetime. for example, the party in power does not get credit for that. the reason for that is they want climate control. they know they have to produce the gas. the solutions are border, abortion, and gasoline is not a problem. the cost of gasoline is coming down.

i would love the comments about these type of solutions. host: all right, ronald. our next caller is linda in oklahoma city on the republican line. are you there? go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. this is about the authority the president has. i found out through calling around washington that they have very little policies that can help my state by gas prices. i was told to call the governor. our governor can negotiate with the gas companies better than the president can. also, guns and all of this, we are having a high rate of crime here. they also are responsible for the crime rate in my faith. -- in my state.

it starts local. we need to start calling around our city council and our mayors to negotiate these things, food prices we are feeling in our own state because washington has very little authority to do these things. that is why we pay a lieutenant governor and governor to take care of the state. it starts on a local level, mount washington -- mount washington. regardless of who becomes the next president, it starts in your own state. call your governors. host: appreciate your call. let's hear from mike in stockton, california, independent line.

are you with us? caller: yes. can you hear me? host: yes, go ahead. caller: good morning, c-span. i was talking to a man. i wish you could pull up the excerpt i saw the other day when former president donald trump made a reference to africa and the u.s. and mexico. i don't want people from those countries. i want people from sweden and norway. he called my ancestors s. that is not right. i don't feel right. the man who is latina said i'm voting my conscience. don't you respect yourself, man?

like the lady that just called. if you are a person of color coming have no business voting for someone who thinks you come from a s-house country. mike johnson, now speaker, said -- you need to play this for everybody to see. he said the constitution said we are all created equal. and in the same breath, but we are not made equal. what is created? google says the first time it was ever made. besides that, what is your point? are you trying to say you are better than everybody because you are not a person of color? that is the problem with america. people saying they are not racist and all they know is being prejudiced, racist. negro is what i call myself. it is the same as black or negro in spanish. we have so many problems.

911, i watched a man on a call building, i will never forget it. the flames was burning his back. he only had choices to jump, which he died, or get burned out. he jumped. you don't have any choice but joe biden. he is not donald trump and he did not call me and my ancestors s and only wanted people with blonde hair and blue eyes! host: i think we got your point. we are going to have to move on. calling from pennsylvania, donald, on the democratic line. caller: what i wanted to call about this morning is not to attack persons of another party like so many colors want to do. i wanted to bring up a little

bit of history. in the last two weeks, we americans have lost three notable people in our generation. i am in my 70's. i am referring to the loss of rosalynn carter, the loss of henry kissinger, and the loss of sandra day o'connor. three great americans. i think the generations of younger people need to acknowledge and express what those kinds of people do for our country. we need to reflect upon the death of those three people. that is my comment for today. host: all right, donald. last four open forum, rob in burlington, connecticut, independent line. caller: hi, how are you today?

host: doing well. what is your comment for us today? caller: i am not anti-semitic or pro jewish but i understand the difference between judaism and zionism. right now the government in israel is being controlled by ultra right-wing zionists. they also have a complete clutch hold on the american media. if you google who owns cnn, msnbc, fox, abc, nbc, etc., they are all owned and controlled by not jewish people but zionists, which is like the trumpers of israel. that is a huge problem.

america needs to be getting balanced news sources such as al jazeera into the united states. al jazeera tried to come in. scientist forces stop them. because of the clutch hold on the american media, congress, democrat and republican, are petrified to vote anything against israel. israel is controlling our congress through this control of the media. i have a solution, possible solution for that. possibly, all presidential elections should be held over community media which is free media. that might take some of the money and control out of american media.

please stop the genocide in israel now. hamas is not a terrorist organization. it was the democratically elected government of gaza. host: got your point but we have to stop you there. that is all the time we have for open forum. we are going to take a quick break. next, star parker, president of the center for urban renewal and education, and the news. -- and the news of the day. >> live today, he joins book tv to talk about the supreme court, the court of presidential power, and more. the book includes donald trump's

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continues. host: welcome back. star parker is with us. thank you for coming back on "washington journal." you founded the center for urban renewal and education in the 1990's. remind our viewers of the center's mission and how you are funded. guest: we fight poverty and restore dignity through messages of faith, freedom, and personal responsibility. our journal is to find market-based solutions to fight poverty. bill clinton signed into law a change in the welfare program that had not happened in 60 years. unfortunately lately, we have been going in the opposite direction. it is to allow for people to be

responsible for their own decisions in their lives so they can prosper. host: you are a columnist. your columns can be seen in different publications. your latest is entitled "how to fix our broken culture." explain what you think is broken about american culture. what were your recommendations to fix it? guest: thank you for mentioning my column. i write weekly for "creators." my column is doing well in about 100 publications across the country. this week, i talked about the culture because the census is screaming at us we are going in the wrong direction. we talk often about the economy, growth and taxes, when we look at political interests and discovery. but there is another side of that coin. if you do not have people that believe in their country, believe in personal responsibility, we will get off track. right now, we are terribly

off-track. it is one thing to say our economy must grow 3%. obviously, bidenomics has taken us far from that track. but on the other hand, as a society, we have a responsibility to think about an aging population becoming more dependent on government. the youth are saying we do not even want children or the traditions that got us to be a free people. it cannot go on this way. you have fewer people paying into the system and more people demanding from the system. host: as part of the same column, you mentioned abortion. why do you think abortion is one of the indications of a broken culture in america? guest: thank you for this question. when you think about abortion, we always hear about the moral and medical implications, the mental implications. very little attention on how it

feeds the narrative of victimhood. when they say they want abortion to remain legal at any time when she is pregnant and at the end, she can abort her child, we have a society for the first time since roe with the dobbs decision to have an opportunity to discuss when life begins. we can do that in the state. one of the beauties of this moment is we can talk about personal responsibility. when you talk about abortion and feed into this narrative that women cannot control sexual impulses, that they need to be married, that their lives are about them working, you destroy culture and marriage itself. men lose track of time when women do not have marriage with them. men cannot discipline their lives. unproductive males often become very dangerous. 70% of the youth in our criminal

justice system are coming from single headed households and have no relationships with dads. abortion touches every area of our lives. i think it is time for americans to get beyond the intensity of those in the business to kill offspring and start thinking more thoughtfully about what it is doing to all of us in this sick culture we are living in. host: we are talking with star parker, the columnist and president the center for urban renewal and education. we want to open the phone lines. do you have a question for star or want to share your comments? give us a call now. we will get to it in a moment. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. we are going to get to those

calls. while we wait for those calls, when we talk about election 2024, have you decided who you plan to vote for? guest: no one is asking me, but i am in media like you are. host: i have an opinion. guest: i have opinions on all of the people and i do have personal preferences. when you think about what has happened in our society including on cultural issues, the gop has always been at the forefront of moral clarity. the discussion the gop is having right now, i just did a column on behalf of laura mcdaniel because she seems to be getting the blame for what happened in the last election. they are supposedly leaders leading in truth. they are supposedly leading and guiding and ideas. not much of that goes on in

washington. there is a lot of confusion, including in the republican party right now. one of the reasons i commended her is because she continued with the debates even the former president trump did not want the debates to occur. while the santos was different router -- desantis was a front runner for a long time, you can see the clarity. host: you mentioned you had thoughts about a lot of candidates pretty donald trump is leading in the polls. ron desantis and nikki haley are fighting for second place. chris christie is still a candidate. do you feel you can support any of these individuals in november of 2024. are there any candidates running

that you think are strong versus someone you do not think would be right to lead the country? guest: personally, any republican is better than a democrat in my opinion. the democrat party is locked in. we are not going to change anything about what we think is good for anybody else's life and it is not working for anyone's life these days. on the republican side, v. is having fun. he can spend his money anyway he wants to. when he is getting money from pacs, you have to wonder his opinion on citizens united. this is something republicans appreciate with citizens united so they can but with their money as well as their feet. when you think about the strategy of chris christie, chris christie is a smart man and a good man. he perhaps is in there to point out the obvious to many of the

character flaws of donald trump. not just his character flaws. now that he has put some policies out, we have to ask, what does conservative mean anymore? it is a huge extension of the government. you talk about milton friedman. i'm going to review a book done about milton friedman's life. he would be turning in his grave if this is the direction republican party is going to go in. a lot of people like what ron desantis has been doing in florida but he has not been able to grab the attention of the people to articulate that vision for the nation's capital. eyes are on nikki haley could she was incredible governor and ambassador. now she is running and making her case. a lot of money and attention is going that way faith we will see

what happens by the time they get to iowa. host: it sounds like you are a big fan of nikki haley. guest: i do like nikki haley. i will tell you why. south carolina. when that racist went into that church and shot down those people, not only did the community come and try to heal itself and forgive that racist that came in and destroyed their life, their livelihoods, their pastor, but nikki haley and her leadership skills moved the flag. she took it down. the story is incredible. they had all kinds of reasons it needed to remain. by the time they got to where she was able to get that moment in south carolina history to remove that confederate flag so no one can divide the state based on race, the original claim broke. that is how deep they put that flag. she showed some real skill there.

i work in washington. she has to move and navigate that way. host: let's go to the phone lines. if you have a question or comment for our guest, star parker, columnist, and president for the center for urban renewal and education, we want you to call in now. the line for democrats, republicans, and independents. we are going to start in cleveland, ohio, loretta on the democratic line, go ahead. caller: good morning to you. good morning, star. and good morning america. star, we tend to go back to the 1990's. i know you probably do not remember me, but i called in and spoke with you over the years.

when you mentioned renewal, that brought up terror in my history because every time urban renewal has been used, it tore up black neighborhoods, black communities, and built all of the highways. we know that. you need to change the name of urban renewal because it does not ring right in the black community. second of all, i want to know whose culture is jacked up, whose culture is tore down? we have been here before anybody else. black people were here. for society to step over those who have built this country, i

think we probably need to go back to the drawing board, girlfriend. guest: a lot of people do want to go back to the drawing board put they want to go back to the fissions of the country the founders envisioned. the principles of chris canty, the virtues of capitalism, and the rules of law built in our constitution. the color is right -- the caller is right. we see even the republicans struggle about who we are. people look at the 1960's and say, what broke down? the whole movement changing the mayor's to no-fault. next thing you know, you have

the government saying let's build safety net programs prove we note if people did not have marriage, lives would start falling apart. black people have killed 22 million since roe v. wade because of this luring of planned parenthood that children create poverty. are the things we used to to know that we no longer know, whether you are black or white? we understood the principles of biblical. we understood the principles of making money and free market. we understood we have the rule of law in our constitution. to the point about changing my name, we are not going to do that. one thing that happened under president trump is the tax bill that allows for revitalization

in urban communities. the difficulty is on property taxes. that is state and local and something people have to work on in their states and locally. host: let's hear from john on the republican line from new york. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. i appreciate your commentary. you are providing moral clarity where it seems we are sorely lacking. i would like to make two quick statements regarding the problems we are facing today. one has to do with immigration. the other has to do with abortion like you were talking about. without getting into this trend of name-calling, the immigration problem is a self-created problem. we never had to do this proved

when my father was an immigrant, we could always accept immigrants in an orderly way. i have watched these poor people die, little babies being dropped over walls. sex trafficking, fentanyl, terrorist cells, that did not need to happen. this has divided america. it has shown how callous governments can be ignoring the welfare of people. it did not need to happen. the second thing that really concerns me is this issue on abortion. people talked about it dividing people. i can understand a woman talking about the right to privacy. it is an interesting thing. back in the 1970's, we almost had an equal rights amendment. the required three fourths of

all state legislatures to approve it. it missed bypassing -- it missed passing by one state legislature. if it is important, they could resubmit it to state legislatures. host: let's stop right there and let star respond to the point she raised. guest: on abortion, i believe we have a moment as a society to say, are we going to be a moral people? abortion is a crime against humanity. which not be doing it at all. everybody knows it -- we should not be doing it at all. everybody knows it. at what point we should kill someone is a discussion states are having. many knows it is one we will have to have in the nation's capital as well. the same way we have these movements in law and on slavery, at the end of the day, it was a crime against humanity. we should not be doing it and it

has to stop. on the border and immigration, it is very complicated. even under donald trump, getting to the table, it is almost to the point where we move that forward to get not just a wall but a sound immigration system. but there are people who have their way of doing business. we call them lobbyists. it fell apart because the dreamers are here. they were brought here from little babies and grew up now. that is a big question of what we should do. some are all of nothing so we get nowhere on it. the tragedy at the border he mentioned right now was avoidable. when president biden came in, the first thing he did was he decided to undo all president trump had done to protect our country from people coming in. that is why we are seeing not only an increase in people coming in and disrupting life, the other caller wanted to talk about disrupting black communities?

the border crisis is disrupting for communities right now. hopefully, we will get sound leadership coming into 2020 republican leadership -- coming in 2024, republican leadership. host: let's go to ohio. belinda is on the independent line. caller: thank you so much for giving me a moment. this is one of the most important moments of my entire life. one lady said, at what point should we kill someone? we are talking about babies but let's look at this. section eight states if you have no children under 25 and you have no spouse, that no one can file wrongful death or malpractice on a doctor or hospital in the state of florida. ron desantis knows about this.

he knows clear and well about this. people are dying every day. host: all right. caller: we are seeing anyone under 25 or over 25 that is not married and has no spouse, they can just kill you in the hospital. guest: i'm not familiar at all with florida law to that extent, but i do believe in the security of hospitals in the first order of business for most doctors is to do no harm. i would have to pass on answering that particular question. host: let's go to milton in baltimore, maryland, democratic line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: good morning again. i have a comment and question i would like to ask star. star, usually whenever i hear a

person, and ultra-mobile black person praising the dark psychology promoted by republicans, there usually under the persuasion of scientology. i don't know if you are a scientologist, but you talk like one. guest: one of the reasons we i do is i read a proverb a day. what was your question? caller: that was my comment. guest: not only do i read a proverb a day, this was a new habit of mine over the last 30 years because i believed the lies of the left. the background i come from help shape my views today. i believed all of the lies and my problems were somebody else's fault, that america was racist, that i was poor because others were wealthy. my life spiraled out of control with criminal activity, drug

activity, abortion activity, and then i got born again. i believe the bible. go ahead. host: go ahead with your question, milton. caller: this lines up with the dark psychology of scientology. my question is this. i hear people say blacks do not want to vote for joe biden or they are against something, his poll numbers are down my have to question it. no one has ever pulled me -- polled me. know when i talk to >> republicans. who are these black people they say will -- no one i talked to like republicans. who are these black people they say will vote for donald trump? host: all right. guest: most of the posters are

finding blacks are shifting their views pretty are beastly to the column on this as well. we find this in our work. we went into talib's district. we wanted to seek what those who voted her in front about these things. 40 pastors showed up and none were in agreement with her. when you think about polling in the african american community, there have always been those in our community that poll right. to tell pollsters they are evangelical and conservative. about 20% say they are conservative by itself. about 30% say we are evangelical's, we go to church on sunday morning. there is a shifting away from the biden philosophy. like people who go to church say i have been trained to vote democrat but i have a problem

with it. it is not hard to find the data that blacks are shifting their opinion away from the biden administration. host: let's go to maria in savannah, georgia, republican line. caller: yes. i have a question for the young lady. i am concerned about the issue people have with the abortion. one side are afraid having abortions is killing a child, taking its life from them. when the children get here, for example, the children at the border with their parents and the trump administration separated them from their parents and put them in cages. even now, people are unable to match the children up with their parents. they are still searching for the parents. i'm trying to figure out, is one ok to mistreat a child after

they are here but be concerned about them before they are not here? i'm done talking about the christian piece of her calling. the bible says suffer the little children to come unto me and forgive them not because such is the kingdom of heaven. they are precious gifts before and after they come here. i would like to know what she thinks about the trump administration and the children and putting them in cages. guest: i cannot validate children were in cages during the trump administration. we do know we have had challenges at the border for many years. the trump administration for the first time in a long time attempted to fix what had broken down at the border in a variety of ways, including when people bring in children who might not even be their own. our vetting system has broken down at the boarder. anyone who tries to compare abortion to what we do at the

border is mixing apples and will oranges -- and oranges. when it comes to the unborn, that is a separate issue we should be concerned about. not just because of the moral implications for people who had abortions and or traumatized as a result who need to get reconnected to themselves. on the medical situations, people keep pretending abortions are safe and pregnancy is not. these are harder questions about that, what is legal in our society, and moving towards a more civil society. the other implication is how it has impacted us as a people. we are not growing. we have an aged population at this point. in a few years, we will have more people over 65 than under 18. we should be concerned about this.

when you take 60 million or 70 million people out of a society, we should be concerned we are not a growing population. cure is a data center. we do research. we are a think tank. we think about these things. data says 30 euros and under, only 33% say they would even want a child in their lives. we should be alarmed by this. you cannot have a society that says they are concerned about the economics state of affairs when two thirds of the federal budget is rooted in entitlement mostly for seniors, medicaid, medicare, and social security, and not have a population that will pay into all of these things. i think the more we learn about what really goes on in washington and how the dollars go out immediately to a person or program and most are for aging population, we might take a different look at abortion and the role it plays in marriage,

family, and normal traditions of the family. host: let's keep with the phone lines. if you have a question or comment for star parker, go ahead and call in now. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. pensacola, florida, paula is on the democratically. -- the democratic line. caller: i had a couple of comments. i don't know what it is about republicans. when they talk about abortion, the first thing they talk about is women aborting babies in their ninth month. that is just not true. first of all, doctors are not allowed by the law to do that

unless there is something that endangers the mother. but yet, they keep carrying on that narrative. guest: it is true. we can try to pretend it is not, but it is true. go ahead. caller: look at your data. look at how many women do have abortions in the later months and the reason they do. they don't just say yesterday i wanted a kid but tomorrow i do not want one. that is not true. my second comment would be about the schools. i am in florida. the teachers are up in arms about the curriculum at school,

what they are able to teach, what they are not able to teach. one day it is this and one day it is that. also, the charter schools. it is like they are doing away with the public schools and wanting to convert everything into charter schools. we have already had several shut down and turn into charter schools. with that, i'm going to leave it. host: let's address the school choice question. guest: that is exactly what it is. parents want options. parents do not want indoctrination of their children. they made it clear through activism across the country. during the pandemic when parents shot what has been in our public schools, they were livid. they do not want their children taught sexual content at very young ages. florida's parents led a movement that is now their law that we are not going to teach these children these ideologies or

theories in our public school system. we have 23 million government workers in this country. almost half of them are in education across this country. the last thing we can do as a society is insist all children must go through this public system. parents need options. those should be consistent with their values at home. over the last 50 years, liberals have taken over the education system, if i can be that bold and frank. as a result, they brought their philosophies into classrooms. now, parents are revolting. host: since i have you and you represent a conservative point of view, i want to pull up today's "washington post." i have a clip. the headline says, "chairman under fire as more details emerge in rape inquiry." this is about the chairman of the republican party of florida.

i don't how familiar you are, but he has been accused but not charged of sexual assault. it also involves his wife who is on the school board in florida but she is also one of the founders of moms for liberty, the conservative school activist organization. towards the very end of the article, and i will read it a little bit, this is at the very end of the article. it says this situation has sparked not just enormous interest but enormous criticism because it seems there is a stunning level of hypocrisy. even if the sexual assault charges end up not true or unable to be proven, i think for a lot of republicans, they would be uncomfortable with the fact

you have people pushing a conservative agenda saying there is too much sachsen society, particularly lgbtq sex, but yet they have engaged in a threesome. this is about their private, sexual. but the question is, do you think in a situation like this where there are people who are conservative activists who publicly have championed a conservative agenda, anti-lgbtq, not wanting sexualized content in school, but aspects scandal pops up, so they stepped down from their position? one is the chairman of the republican party of florida. the other is a conservative activist and school board member. guest: when we have people step down before they have gone through our legal system, we are in trouble as a society because you should have some assumption of innocence until proven guilty. if we are talking about the hypocrisy in mankind, we are all hypocrites.

the apostle paul told us the things i want to do i cannot seem to do, the things i don't want to do, i keep doing them, wretched man i am. it is one of the reason christians believe heavily in salvation and being born again. the question on the table should not be about each individual's private behaviors when they are public figures. the question is how we govern ourselves as a society. what is acceptable and the rules we can all say do and do not do? the 10 commitments are very clear but not everybody abides by them. look at abortion and how conflicted we are as a society should not -- to not even be able to admit there is life growing. no, i'm not familiar with florida law. i'm not familiar with the florida gop structure. i do think if someone has these type of public accusations, it is up to them to say, do i, for the sake of stopping this

discussion, move away from this position? the challenge we run into when we keep insisting people need to step out of their jobs the minute someone accuses them of something, we will have a lot of accusations going on and no one will be able to work. it will become like what happened in california when they put up on the freeway, if someone is driving, call this number. people are calling because they cut them off in traffic. this is not a good way to govern . we need to get back to the fundamental truth that found the country and each of us take responsibility in our choices. host: let's go back to the phone lines. alexis is on the independent line. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. 5 million years ago, we did not have the bible, but folks did not. christianity is not the choice of all, certainly not all over

the world. everybody cannot. -- everybody cannot parent. people do not want to see their children that they bear go to foster people and not know how they are cared for. people rarely, rarely decide not to have a child within the last 30 days of the child being born, even when they know the child is going to die. guest: i'm not going to go back to abortion because i think i have been as clear as i can. when people have made up their mind on that issue, it is hard to sway them from their position. on the bible being for black people, obviously she is not familiar with the bible and its history. although, yes, it is true

tindale made the first king james bible but lost his life. he cried out on his deathbed to open the king's eyes and a few years later, we had the king james bible. the history of black people and the bible is vast. matthew, mark, luke, john. he never met the lord but the reason people think his italian, his remains are in italy, is because they had already martyred him. italian businessmen took the remains out of the country in porkbarrels and took them up to italy. the bible is incredibly diverse when it comes to all ethnicities engaged in christianity. host: we are going to take one more call.

cindy in california on the republican line. caller: star, thank you very much for your common sense approach and discussion today. i heard a few times them speak about trump caging children. i want to set it straight. guest: i would like to hear it because i don't know that is true. caller: i want to point out when all those pictures came out about the children in cages, those cages were built during the obama-biden administration. they were built to separate children as they came across. they were built to protect the children, not to cage the children, so they could separate the sexes, so children were not abused by older boys. anyway, the cages were actually

built during the obama administration. i'm really tired of trump being blamed for the cages. thank you very much. thank you for your common sense approach. i love hearing you. guest: you are welcome. host: we have about another minute. i want to ask you the things you hope to hear from the candidates running for the republican nomination over the next few months. guest: there is another debate coming up. the discussion is becoming more clear about how they see the world. i would like to hear more from both sides. i think we should challenge the democrats to say more about their vision for the country because it is exactly the opposite of what any republican is saying the country should look like. most republicans agree with the founding principles of the country and think men can self govern. if you believe man can self govern and make right and wrong choices, we should have a limited role of government.

i would like to hear more about their philosophy on the role of government in our lives. host: we have been talking this morning with star parker. she is a columnist and the president, the founder of, i want to make sure i say it correctly, the center for urban renewal and education. that is going to do it for us today on "washington journal." we will be back tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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