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9. also addressing the 2020 election, the january 6 the attack on the u.s. capitol. we will show you portions of that speech during the first hour this morning. we will show you reaction that he got from republicans as well. you can make your comments about the president's speech and the themes that he addressed yesterday. for democrats, it is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to text us, (202) 748-8003 is how you do that. you can post on facebook and you can post on x as well. the president traveling yesterday to south carolina on this second campaign-themed speech of 2024.

the current president speaking about the presidential election. president biden also pointed to gop backed election challenges accusing election deniers for not having respect of the people who voted for him. he left a statement following similar criticism of former during a rally in valley forge, pennsylvania to mark he january 6 brian. [video clip] pres. biden: set to overturn a free and fair election by force

and violence. tammy say what some cannot. you must reject political violence in america. always. not sometimes, always. it is never appropriate. january 6 is an extension of an old playbook from the threats, violence, and intimidation. in atlanta, georgia, two brave black women, mother and daughter , they had their lives upended just doing their jobs. death threats, forced to leave their homes. those pushing a big lie, a conspiracy theory among conspiracy theories. here's the fact. there's where we don't have facts, there is no theory. no facts, no proof, no evidence. that is why they lost in every court of law. 60 losses in the courts of america.

there is one thing they don't have. they don't have respect for the 81 million people who voted the other way, voted for my candidacy. voted to end the presidency. in their world, these americans, including you, don't count. but that's not the real world, that's not democracy, that's not america. the america, we all count. losers are taught to concede when they lose. he's a loser. host: that is president biden yesterday. again, you can see the whole speech at c-span.org. you can also see that at our app at c-span now. the president addressing the themes that he addressed and addressing former president trump as well.

you can check the themes of the speeches 2024 kicks into high gear. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to text us your thoughts, you can do that at (202) 748-8003. robert in baltimore, maryland, democrats line up first. what did you think about the speech and what the president addressed? caller: good speech, but ok. they got to understand, donald trump don't want to go to jail. he knows he's going to jail. he won't be in the u.s. november 20 24. he will be in saudi arabia. host: let's expand on what you said when you said the speech was ok. what did you mean? caller: ok, he is saying donald

trump is a dictator and a danger to the u.s. donald trump he know he ain't got no way of winning in november. host: robert in baltimore, maryland. ray in north carolina on the republican line. ray, what did you think about yesterday speech by president biden? caller: well, a lot of things. first of all, he didn't cover what his -- what he really wants to do if elected. he dunked on trump. it is the easiest thing for the democrats to do. we have a national debt

over $33 trillion, an open border, people coming into our borders and being released in the united states, many on the terror watch list. there is a lot more that he could talk about besides trump. trump, he did his job. i don't like a lot of the things he says, but he did his job. we went up to isis, we were energy independent, so it doesn't surprise me that biden's popularity in the polls are going down. people want answers and results. host: ray on the republican line talking about president biden's speech. the bbc taking a look at the speech and adding this to its coverage saying mr. biden returned to south carolina is a bet on the black voter. a crucial pillar of democratic support.

recent polling shows the support may be faltering with as many as 22% of black voters leaning towards the republican ex -president. there was no sign of that on monday at the mother emanuel ame church where people were packed into the warm wood-paneled building to hear from president biden. a mix of black-and-white supporters wearing biden-harris 2024 pins. the whole speech is available online if you want to see it. asking about the themes of the speech. this is vivian on the democrats line from tennessee talking about president biden's speech yesterday. vivian, good morning. caller: good morning. i have a few quick points, please. can you understand me, please? host: we can understand you. go ahead. caller: one thing, his speech was wonderful yesterday. everything that he said was the truth. trump deniers out there still saying that that man won the

election. the whole world, other countries know that he did not win. i am sick and tired of them trying to say that biden voters faulty. host: you said that everything he said was truth, what do you mean? caller: he said trump lied. trump get out there and told a lie that he won. he didn't win. trump ran up the deficit. trump did not give tax cuts regular people. he gave it to the rich people. but he set up and did all these things they are accusing trump of how can people in the united states put someone up there like that who just defaces women. talks about the anatomy parts of women? won't help the senior citizens? going against the health care? talking against the military, saying john mccain wasn't a

hero. he didn't go, he ran. host republican line, the president's speech yesterday, what did you think? caller: biden called trump a loser, but i'm calling biden a traitor. all the poor black people sitting there are getting undermined by immigration taking your jobs. i've seen it. i lived in north south-central for a long time. they are coming into your neighborhood and they are taking your jobs. your biden is up there telling you that they're not. what a traitor. what a traitor. host: john from california. again, if you want to talk about the president's speech yesterday, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to text us, you can do that at (202) 748-8003.

plus, you can post on our social media sites, facebook and x. one of the people responding in light of the speech yesterday was the senator from south carolina, tim scott, on his x feed talking about the things that mr. biden engaged in. here is a portion from senator scott's x feed. [video clip] >> fear is a common denominator in politics. president biden's visit to charleston mr our fears as s are dropping along minority groups is remarkable. it's indicative of the fact that people of color, americans across this nation, are you losing confidence in this president because the economy is volatile. crime is raging. education for the poorest kids in america seems elusive.

what does president biden do? he comes to charleston for fear. you know what fear is? false evidence appearing real. america is the greatest nation on the planet. let's unite this nation, not divide it. host: that was from yesterday on senator scott's x feed, the second speech that the president has given in the election cycle 2024. the last 1 took place in february before the anniversary january 6. yahoo! reporting after that speech, when it comes to the reelection campaign of president biden, raising more than $1 million through online funding alone in the 24 hours after the president's speech last friday, where he gave a full throated attack, as described by yahoo!, against the former president. adding in response to the 24 hour fundraising that the biden

campaign sees preserving democracy as a political winner for the president in 2024. that may be one of the themes that you pick up on from the presidents speech yesterday. you can tell us about it on the independent line. this is rockaway park, new york. allen, good morning. caller: i just wanted to say that biden hit the nail on the head, you know? everything that he said about trump was true. as a voter, one thing that draws a red flag with me is -- i don't want a candidate to focus on how horrific his opponent is. i want a candidate who will say what kind of job -- what he has in mind. trump, that is his whole thing. it's putting names on people. what did he actually accomplish about health care?

nothing. about climate change? nothing. host: when it comes to the president's speech yesterday, what did you learn from it about what president biden wants to do should he get a second term? caller: he was talking more about how a president should feel about his job, you know? get to work on things that matter. if a candidate is just going to vilify his opponent, that is a red flag for me. he didn't say anything new. host: don't you think that happened not only in this speech but the previous speech last friday? caller: he is not a sizzler. trump is a sizzler. he is not having pizzazz or charisma, but he's doing things that matter. he is a nice guy. trump it is not a nice guy. thank you for listening. host: allen in rockaway park,

new york. we will hear next from steve also on the line for independents in florida. hello. good morning. caller: mr. biden had nothing but a campaign speech there. he vilified everything he did. for him to be doing it in a black church with his history of racism is hypocrisy as -- hypocrisy at its best. host: ok. also on the line for independents in california, good morning. caller: good morning. the last caller just said biden being condescending to black america, of which i am one, i don't like biden's policies. i don't like trump anymore. i don't think trump is guilty of

insurrection. i think he is guilty in the classified documents case and financial fraud cases. in new york. host: why do you frame it as condescending? caller: that is what the last caller said. democrats have a habit of doing this. they will go into an all-black church or all-black city and they will say things. biden said in the last election that if you are black and you don't vote for biden then you are not black. it is condescending. i'm not voting for president. next time i'm going to leave the space blank because i think that we need a libertarian president. unfortunately, we are probably never going to get that. host: giving us his thoughts on the president's speech yesterday. the wall street journal takes a look at a potential second term for president biden and some of the things that he wants to engage in. this morning online, saying that the president is planning to

pursue an expansive agenda if voters give him a second term, including resurrecting proposals for cheaper childcare, prescription drugs, community college, assault weapons ban, higher taxes on rich americans. if democrats do not expand numbers on capitol hill, many of those plans could be dead on arrival in congress. democrats fight to retake the house and hold majority in the senate to enact many of those plans of the current president. the current president talked about several themes yesterday. he also referenced former president donald trump in the speech. asking you to give us your thoughts on the campaign speeches as the norm going into 2024. don't forget as this weekend approaches, our coverage of the iowa caucus and new hampshire primaries, which you can see on c-span, you can follow along on our website and the app, c-span

now. the republican line, maryland, david, hello. caller: good morning, pedro. good morning, america. i don't think it's smart for the president to talk about the 2020 election given the amount of irregularity. that is one thing that i think everyone, no matter what side of the fence you are on, can agree on. there is a ton of irregularity compared to previous elections. mail-in ballot inc., machines turned all the way down, donald trump threw out, i think that they put forth how many lawsuits? 60? as far as i understand, zero judges would even hear the evidence, which could be an anomaly in and of itself. i am curious why they even talked about it considering that we can't really dive into it to find out how fair it was. host: do you think the previous election will be a big theme on either side this year?

caller: the previous 2020 election? host: yes, sir. yes, the 2020 election. caller: if they have the same processes and procedures as they did in 2020, we are going to have all of these question marks all over again. we are going to be divided down the middle and we are going to have infinite arguments. unless you really get into an investigation and found out what is going on in some of these counties that are red flags. i think if there are red flags in an election wouldn't both sides of the aisle want to know about it? what if it was your turn to get the short end of the stick next time? host: el paso, texas. will on the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am in an dialysis chair, so it may not be that great. anyway, biden is a good man. the black people talking about

they are going to give trump 10% of votes, are you out of your mind? we are not giving him anything. we are voting 99% for biden. that is the way it's going to be. have you seen mississippi burning on showtime? do you want to go back to that with people talking about making america the way it used to be, when you could go in your house and do anything. host: the speech yesterday from the president, what did you get from it? caller: i get that he is really trying to help people. that is what he is trying to do. he always has. this trump, these black people, i am going to take my belt off and tan their hide. host: republican line, hello. caller: that is quite interesting, some of the responses you're getting. let's go to what his speech was about and break that down a little bit.

it seems like in both of his speeches that he gave for the opening of his campaign, they were nothing more than the same rhetoric that has been going around for the past two years. there is nothing in the speech that discussed what his plans for the future were. aside from the article that you read. it just said that he proposes to do this and that. everything that you listed is exactly the same thing for the past 12 years we've been hearing from the democrats, since the assault rifle ban. i mean, everything. there's nothing new anywhere. no new ideas. no new ways of talking about the housing market and the fact that kids growing up now won't be able to buy a house, so they can start families. you have restaurants that are about to take a huge dive because of all of the wage increases.

now if you want to buy a big mac it will cost $25 by the time they end this thing. california right now -- washington state, $18 an hour almost for any job. any job. that is going to destroy that economy. it will start on the west side and work over to the east coast. i would like to hear some new ideas from somebody, even if it was biden to hear new ideas. but i'm not hearing them. trump is fighting for whatever he's fighting for. we aren't going to get a fair election and i'll tell you why. the democratic party is blocking anybody else who is trying to run on the democrat ticket. who decides you cannot run as a president if you are a democrat because we don't want you to? host: zach in wisconsin on the democrats line. caller: how is it going? i really enjoy the speech from yesterday. i really like how hard he is

going against trump and expressing the importance of democracy in this election. this idea that somehow biden hasn't talked about what he plans to do for the country -- i'm not going to lend credence to the idea. aside from that, are we seriously going to act like trump's whole campaign in 2016 and 2020 wasn't to attack hillary clinton and joe biden, name call his opponents? i liked during his speech yesterday how biden called trump a loser, because he is a loser. he lost in 2020 and is still acting like he won. a great speech. host: what did you learn new from it as far as promises of what the campaign wants to do? caller: yeah, again, he is expressing the importance of democracy in this election. i also really like how he highlighted in this place in

2016 there was a white supremacist attack. make sure that we get to the bottom of violence, in particular white supremacist violence, is very important to me. host: the 2020 election, one of the themes from the president's speech in south carolina yesterday, as well as themes of the civil war, or the cause of the civil war. those were addressed by the president. here's a portion of that yesterday. [video clip] pres. biden: after the civil war the defeated confederates could not accept the verdict of the war. they had lost. so, they say they embraced what is known as the lost cause. the self-serving lie that the civil war is not about slavery but states rights. they called that the noble cause. that was a lie. a lie that had -- not just a lie, but it had terrible

consequences. it brought on jim crow. let me be clear to those who don't seem to know, slavery was the cause of the civil war. there is no negotiation about that. now, we are living in an era of a second lost cause. once again, there are some in this country trying to turn a loss into a lie. a lie, which if allowed to live will once again bring terrible damage to this country. this time the lies about the 2020 election. the election in which you made your voices heard in your power known. two days ago we mark to the third anniversary of one of the darkest days in american history, january the sixth. today insurrections stormed the capital trying to stop the transfer of power.

we saw with our own eyes the truth of what happened. that a mob was whipped up by lies from a defeated former president. smashing windows. smearing blood on statues. ransacking offices. outside, insurrectionists erected gallows chanting hang mike pence. inside they hunted for nancy pelosi, chanting, where's nancy? we saw something we never even saw during the civil war. insurrectionists waving confederate flags. called black officers, black veterans defending the nation the most vile of racist names. yet, the maga republicans led by a defeated president is trying to steal history now. they try to steal an election and now they're trying to steal history. telling us the violent mob was a

"peaceful protest." host: does the president from yesterday. this speech also got a reaction from the former governor of north carolina, nikki haley, herself a republican presidential candidate. she was in des moines, iowa at a fox news form and was asked about the president's speech and her response to it. [video clip] >> mother emanuel church is a sacred place. we lost nine amazing souls that night for just going to bible study. i will tell everybody, those amazing people, all 12 of them, when someone showed up that didn't look like them or act like them or sound like them, they didn't call the cops. they didn't throw him out. they pulled up a chair and they prayed with him for an hour. when they bow their heads in the last prayer he began to shoot. people like at lentz who had lost -- like ethel lance who

had lost her daughter two years prior to breast cancer. our youngest victim had just graduated college. on that night he stood in front of his 87-year-old great onto susie and looked at the killer and said "you don't have to do this, we mean no harm to you>' or someone like cynthia heard whose life motto was to be kinder than necessary. that is who these people were. for biden to show up there and give a political speech is offensive in itself. the second thing that i will say is, i don't need someone who howled around with segregationists in the 1970's and has said racist comments through his career lecturing me or anyone in south carolina about what it means to have racism, slavery, or anhi related to the civil war. host: those are the comments responding to the speec nikki haley herself traveling througio in the lead up to the iowa caucuses and events

todayt 10: 30 this morning. for tested in seeing, that will be on our main channel, c-span, 10:30 and our app at c-span now at c-span.org. the d.c. circuit court already a line forming for a three-panel judge that will hear a case about the topic of presidential immunity. former president trump claims that he has presidential immunity. that will be heard starting at 9:30 this morning, and you can follow along and listen at span 3. the app and dot org. the former president is expected to attend that hearing. back to the themes of the president's speech, yesterday, lynchburg, virginia, thanks for waiting. caller: thank you. i appreciate it. i have a couple of things here.

i enjoyed biden's speech yesterday. he was telling the truth. also, people always come especially the republicans, saying the blacks are voting for biden for democrat. the racists in the democratic party switched to the republican party. that is why the blacks vote for democrats now, because the racists went to the republican party. they switched parties. we have some gullible people out here following trump. like jim jones. host: the president's speech, you said that he told the truth. give me an example. caller: when he said that trump was trying to dismantle democracy, which he is. trump is always for his self. people are so gullible they will

follow him just like people follow jim jones. i'm an independent. i would vote for cheney or chris christie. i am not a republican or democrat. i just tell it like it is. host: leo in illinois, republican line, hi. caller: good morning. the biden speech and nikki haley's comment. this question about america is not about the competition, it is what we stand for as an nation. here is biden and nikki haley quoting christ and giving money to israel to murder palestinians. i would like your comment about that. host: the speech itself, which we are talking about, what did you get from it yesterday? caller: yes, they talked about

jesus but they are doing the exact contrary of what jesus commanded us to do. host: seattle, washington, democrats line, tom, hello. caller: hello, pedro. i liked the speech. i think it is like a stump speech, but compared to a trump speech, which is a rambling, maniacal -- it doesn't make sense. i can barely understand. maybe i don't pay enough attention. host: did you get from mr. biden's speech yesterday? caller: isaac most of it was pretty much stump speech stuff. but i pay attention. and i know all of this stuff. it was a good speech. i think that it had -- it touched a lot of bases. i think, you know -- i watched

the husky football game last night. trump and the huskies remind me of the same thing. they have the smell of number two. host: in seattle, washington. one of the stories in the lead up to the speech in the campaign overall was published in the washington post a few days ago. this story saying it was former president obama that raised questions about the structure of mr. biden's reelection campaign discussing the matter directly with him telling the president's aides and allies that the campaign needs to be empowered to make decisions without clearing them to the white house according to three people familiar with the conversation. saying mr. obama became animated discussing the 20 24 election and former president donald trump's potential return to power, one person said. suggesting that even more top-level campaign --

mr. obama has not recommended specific individuals. but recommended who managed his 2008 race as a senior strategist. one of the stories that you will see play out as we go on this year towards november elections. president biden making the second campaign speech in south carolina yesterday, following up on a speech friday. talking about this speech, the things that you've got from it. (202) 748-8000 democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003. the republican line from ohio, wayne, hi. caller: i want to say, i am a republican, but i am beginning to wonder sometimes. i fought for this country, ok.

i was in vietnam as a medic to save lives. so, the two people that are running for president, biden and the other republican, i don't think neither of them should be in office. get someone in the office that will listen to the people, instead of assuming they've got the right to not listen to them. host: what makes you think either don't listen to the potential constituents they are trying to attract? caller: due to the fact that i tried to contact them and email to them about doctors in the hospital that don't obey the

medical oath that's killing people. that's why. host: alan in mississippi, independent line. caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: i can. go ahead. caller: good morning, pedro. i would like to clarify things that were said by president biden and mrs. clinton and more democratic people. they always associate donald trump's name with hitler and as a dictator. i can assure you, and assure all of your listeners, that president trump is as far from

being a dictator as santa claus. i'm 90 years of age. i saw hitler's speech at the brandenburg gate, and what a dominant man he was. host: let's stick to the president's speech from yesterday. what did you think of it? caller: anybody with any sense would analyze it. he never spoke about the economy, which is in poor shape. he never spoke about the inflation. he never spoke about people's grocery bills. he never spoke about anything. the truth is known, democrat, republican, or independent, it is the things that people are worried about. he spoke about america being great and america and god bless

america. we all know that and we all love that. that is really what galvanized the people into saying they enjoyed his speech. host: orange county, california, democrats line, the president's speech or the themes from it. what did you take away? caller: the campaign speech, it is supposed to be fiery. i expected it. it is just going to ramp up closer to election time. they're going to start rolling out commercials and everything. it is expected. i didn't think too much of it. it is the start of the campaign. that is host: what you expect. some of you texting in your thoughts. micah new jersey sinhe supports president biden, adding, i don't understand if they think that african-americans will vote fo him based on that speech, they think they are so malleable.

little rock , arkansas, sharon saying that president biden nailed i racism is alive and well under trump. his speeches are trying -- speeches are tone deaf. beau biden and go blue. -- go biden and go blue. bill in ohio saying that it's true that destands for nothing. he said things from the9's and into thousands that he took a complete 180. he is a jellyfish, he stands for nothing. if you want to text us your thoughts come you can do that. (202) 748-8003 is the line. the speech yesterday is still available on our website, c-span.org. if you follow along on our app you can download it if you are out and about and want to watch it on your device of choice. it will be there and you can see it there. let's go to mark on the independent line who joins us

from new jersey. hello. caller: good morning to everybody. so, my take away is first of all i think that his speech was better but still bad. to me, my take away, the democrats are pretty good at governing, but the republicans are great at campaigning. they campaign all the time and never govern. they are great at it. every democrat needs a frank luntz, if anyone knows who that is. host: can you elaborate? caller: he's starting to hit some points but the democrats are very wonky, and they don't realize that people vote on emotions. when he said that democracy is on the line, the people that i talked to, that was the key word

they heard in eighth grade. i think that they need to hear if you vote for trump you are voting to not have your vote count anymore. if you want to vote for him, you're not going to be able to vote anymore. if you do, it's not going to count. it is only symbolic. people need to hear that. i think they are more interested in their ring tones than democracy. host: washington post columnist eugene robinson this morning, you can find the column online at the washington post website. he talked about the reelection campaign of joe biden, saying, i am not trump enough of a message to drive non-maga voters to the polls for biden to win? i'm not freaked out by polls showing a very close election. that is the only kind of election that we have these days. but i worry about polling that indicates key democratic

constituencies, such as young people and african-americans, that arenenthusiastic about voting in november. he goes on making other themes when it comes to the reelection campaign of the current president. this goes on as the president is making his case to receive another four-year term in office. you can comment on each of the teams that he took up -- each of the themes that he took up. hello. caller: good morning, pedro. his speeches are usually very rhetorical and the same old ring. he spoke about january 6. when you allow violence and vandalism and destruction, arson, and on and on to take place, and this took place in major cities across the country over the past decade without a peep from the democrats.

one boston mayor said, let them go ahead and do it. the police and the national guard were told to stand back time after time. when you allow this it eventually comes to a january 6. there is so much hypocrisy with that. i didn't get to hear everything that he said. i wonder, did he even go near the fact that over 100 u.s. locations around the world have been attacked since october 7? did he have any more to say about that? the border. he's so passive and indifferent about the border. the democrats are going to cram as many people into this country as they can before the next election in case he is not reelected. people keep going on about democracy. how are they going to continue

with democracy being invaded by half of the world? host: pete in new jersey, democrats line. pete in red banks, new jersey. hello? you have your television up so i'm going to stop you there. calvin in georgia. caller: how are you, sir? democracy is very much a state in this country, and freedom. people here, if the republican party gets the white house donald trump is going to put himself into a position where he will be the president for the rest of his life. we don't need to dictate or send this country. we already have enough problems here. yes, there is a real bad race problem here, especially in georgia. people need to wake up. people need to see trump and his people for what they are. host: as far as the president

himself, what did you take away from the speech specifically? caller: it was a great speech, it was. the part that i caught. i didn't even know that it was coming on. i go to c-span periodically through the day and i happened to see him on there. i said, listen at this. from what i thought, it was a good speech. it was a heartfelt speech. it seemed like he really wanted the job again, and i think you'll do a great job. host: calvin in georgia talking about the speech yesterday addressing some of the themes. one of the themes was actually talking about allies. that the president has in order to gain another term in the white house, specifically his friend jim clyburn from south carolina. talking about that and also talking about the importance of the concept of truth. here's the president from yesterday. [video clip] pres. biden: as many of you know, jim is a teacher and student of history. he knows the power of history.

he knows the power of truth and the power of lies. he knows what happens when people are loud to whitewash history, erase history, barry history he. -- bury history. the truth shall set us free. but the truth is under assault in america. as a consequence, so is our freedom, democracy, our very country, because without the truth there is no light. without the light there is no path from the starkness. -- from this darkness. . the president yesterday. south carolina, the publican line, susan. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you. caller: the speech, i listened to it as much as i could. i couldn't stand listen to them

ranting and raving like a dictator, which he already is by telling people what cars they can buy, what kinds of stoves they can use, what kind of hot water heaters. that's what a democrat does. tries to tell everybody what to do. yes, our democracy is at stake. he's trying to keep his opponents voting. won't even let people on the democrat party vote. they've already done said in florida that the two they got running, democrats, that they not even going to count their votes. they don't want them on the ballot. when he talked about going to a black church more than any black

person or white person goes to it? i thought he was such a good catholic and he goes to his church. i know the black people in that church was laughing. really, there weren't many black people there. there were mostly protesters. why don't you play that part on tv? host: we just showed video about the attendees at the service yesterday, the campaign speech yesterday at the ame church. mayland, democrat line. caller: i thought the speech was on point but there is much more that could have been said regarding trump and what he is trying to do in terms of changing the, not only the tenor but the type of country we live in. if you look at trump's background, you can find that

his family had a strong background in fascism. he himself has always already proven that he doesn't care very much about anyone but himself. the campaign that he is running versus the campaign the democrats are running is so far part in terms of how people want to be treated. host: how so? caller: the republicans under trump, the maga republicans, have already said that they don't want anyone to be here. that the other people are vermin. anyone who is not a maga republican are vermin. people in congress are not even willing to take care of the entire united states by giving money to take care of our own deficit. host: do you think that president biden is spending more

time talking about the former president or issues that might help people vote for him in 2024? caller: i think he needs to ramp up about what he's done. i think he should talk about the divisiveness in this country right now. i also would like to say something about critical race theory. host: sorry, we will keep it there. what we're talking about is one of the things that happened yesterday. on x was a posting by representative nancy mace in south carolina who talked about the president's visit yesterday. you can find her statement on the x feet. here -- x feed. here it is from yesterday. [video clip] >> this is congresswoman nancy mace. joe biden ran for president to unite our country and restore the soul of america. yet today he is literally using the pulpit of a church where a tragedy took place in order to further divide our nation on

race, gender, and politics. that's not what charlston is about. we unify in the face of adversity. we unify in the face of le we are not going to allow the president to come in and divide us no matter what. president biden is using the pulpit of the church to cover up and not talk about real campaign issues, like the economy, record high inflation that this country hasn't seen in decades. he wants to run away from the open border laws that he has created. we have this open border where it is costing american taxpayers more than 450 billion dollars a year annually for his failures as a leader. he doesn't want to talk about foreign wars, our weakness on the world stage, the evacuation in afghanistan, ukraine and israel, and how much weaker we are on the world stage with him as a leader. today, my message is we aren't going to take the bait.

it is time to go back home, joe biden. host: representative nancy mace from yesterday. we will hear from shirley in pennsylvania. independent line. caller: hello. biden needs to step out. trump needs to step out. [indiscernible] the people in the entire worldwide, not just the u.s. biden come out with the church, come out talking about race. come out talking about the truth. the truth has been told time and time again about slavery. we should have learned something about it by now.

slavery was then. we have progress. we can progress more by learning that we shall no provoke slavery. when you talk about things it puts us backwards instead of taking us forward. step back. host: ray in ohio on the republican line. ray in cleveland, ohio, hello. caller: yes. how is everybody doing today? i just want to say, i just want to say, you know, the democrats, all they do is lie about everything. they give all our money to all these other foreign countries when we have people here starving, homeless, and

everything, and it's just crazy. host: relate that to the president's speech. you called because we are talking about the president's speech from yesterday. he's gone. michael on the independent line in maryland. caller: good morning. i think the representative nancy that you had on clarified everything about biden's constituency. i don't know where the world is lost with this translation. when you have a world leader that leaves your flank wide open as our border has, and the invasion has happened. i don't think the united states people understand the damage that has been done underneath his policy. it is time to change. trump is representing the change of the new america. we need to be honest with each other and stop telling these lines. host: democrats line from arkansas. this is robert. hi. caller: how are you doing this

morning? host: go ahead. caller: i don't know where these people are getting their information from saying how divisive biden is. he is only speaking the truth. have you heard anything that donald trump has said that is going to benefit any of those people calling in? could you pull up what he said the other day or yesterday about how he hopes the stock market falls so that biden will look bad? that tells you right there. if they have a 401(k) or savings -- host: you said in president biden's speech he only told the truth. give us an example. caller: donald trump is divisive. let me say this, when he went to talk to pruden he didn't want anyone taking notes. host: let's go to the speech from yesterday. can you elaborate on themes that

you got from the president as far as what he was talking about? caller: the thing that he has done compared to what donald trump has done, what did donald trump do for anybody? if he done something, i missed it. host: what did the president say that characterized his administration versus the former president? caller: the things that he wants to do and the things that he has done. that's what i got. i know what he's done but i don't know what trump has done. host: andrew is next in maryland, hi. caller: i hear you trying to get back to the themes all the time. my take away is no one is paying attention to the speech. i know you're trying to get us to talk about it. host: paying attention throughout the call this morning. what did you think of it? caller: i think he is not the right messenger. people are not listening to him. i think he has a challenger that we haven't even heard of.

dean phillips is the representative from minnesota. a democrat who is a challenger. i think his message makes sense, but maybe they need someone else saying it. maybe they will hear more. host: what wasn't the right message from the president? caller: i can't say that there was anything wrong with the message. i'm just saying the delivery style, with the whispering and the perception that he has been around for too long. it's hurting the message. host: from steve in alabama, on the republican line. caller: good morning. my background is in mental health. i looked at the affect, the facial look, the tone of his voice, and he just looks furious. i'm stunned that other people

don't realize this. host: what did you think of the speech itself? caller: i thought that it was primarily divisive. he doesn't really have the record to brag about. what he did primarily was criticize his opponent. it reminds me of the theory of stupidity. it was during world war ii, a german lutheran priest who was trying to figure out why people were buying into hitler's propaganda. he said, otherwise brilliant, smart people who can think for themselves suddenly cave into groupthink. all of a sudden, they kind of quit using their brain and repeat the mantras that the politician is trying to use.

so, i think that is what is happening in america. we are probably just going to continue to be divisive and further split until the election is over. host: one more call. ola in kansas city, missouri, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i wanted to say that i thought the president's speech was awesome. i think he's awesome. i think he's a great guy. even tempered. he is intelligent. his age. everyone is going to get old. i turned 76 years old. i know the things he said were true because i watched tv all day every day because i'm handicapped. host: what did he say was true and what defines it as awesome in your mind? caller: i thought it was

excellent because of the things that he spoke on that really did happen. as far as what they did at the white house when they stormed the white house. the perpetrators, like it didn't happen. it is like they are trying to convince us that our eyes were lying. i understand that there are problems. there are a lot of problems, but he can only solve so many problems. he doesn't have the help that he needs to pass bills and things, so he's doing is doing the best he can. i think as time goes on you will get better. host: this finishes off this half-hour. as always you can find the speech at c-span.org and on c-span now. coming up a couple of guests joining us. first we are joined by bart jansen who covers the department of justice and legal issues.

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to be involved in the process and what is the legal question? guest: trump's lawyers argue that a president and even a former president can never be charged criminally because if you allow the other branches of government to interfere that that would usurp his power and discourage him from acting as he thinks it is right for the country. of course the justice department special counsel jack smith, the lead prosecutor in a couple of federal cases against him argues that if a president or a former president could not be charged with a crime, and a president could commit murder and treason, except bribes with no consequences whatsoever. it is a pretty high-stakes case in dealing with an issue that the courts really not -- have not defined specifically. host: here is part of the brief from the former president's

lawyers that "president trump has immunity from prosecution under hiss. the president's official acts can never be examined both by brch cannot issue a release o official acts." it cannot see criminal judgment over them. the text in the constitution supports this conclusion. what is the legal underpinning that they are trying to make? guest: the idea that the three branches are separate so you would not want basically lawmakers looking over his shoulder on how he executes the laws or the judiciary judges being able to rule about how he carries out the duties of his office. he was still president at the time of the alleged actions between the election and january 6 riots. and so the argument is that if he -- if there was a

disagreement over policy that he could be charged criminally for actions that are controversial and judges could weigh on his policy decisions and in a sense he is arguing that he was worried about election fraud, and he was trying to carry out election laws and make sure that the vote was counted correctly. and so to have judges interfere with that is an infringement on his independent power as president. host: here is jack smith's argunt saying "for the first time in our nation's history a grand jury has charged a former prt with crimes. in response the senate says that he must be cloaked with absolute immunity from prosecution in less that house impeached and the senate agreed. under that framework the nation would have no recourse er the president there by hamstringing any impeachment proceedings."

again, that is the essence. but what is the build legally? guest: the idea that presidents are regular folks just like you and me. anyone can grow up to be president. potentially in the most serious cases of criminal law that they should also be able to be charged. we are not talking about a sitting president at this point. that would be an even higher standard about whether criminal charges could be brought against him. as somebody no longer in office, if that person cannot be charged because of this get out of jail free card, having served as president that he could recap back and not pay -- wreck havoc could pay consequences. host: what to expect today when former president trump appears to talk about presidential immunity. you can call to talk to our guests. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans.

202-748-8002 for independents. and if you want to text us you can do that at 202-748-8003. what is at stake for either side today? guest: if trump wins he is aiming for the dismissal of these january 6 charges against him. it would be a slightly different issue. he also faces federal charges for mishandling classified documents by bringing defense documents back to mar-a-lago after leaving the white house. those charges are a trial stacked up behind this election interference trial. if he were to win he could potentially knock out the classified documents case, the actions in that case all happened after he was president so it is a slightly different issue. but i think he would continue to argue that he was still immune from those charges. and he is arguing basically the same case in georgia state level

charges in fulton county where he faces very similar election interference charges as he does at the federal court. that trial is expected later in the year and has not been scheduled yet. basically on trump's side if he was to win he is looking for criminal dismissal -- the dismissal of these criminal charges. on the prosecution side, they want a swift answer to be able to hold the trials, particularly the election interference trial scheduled for march 4, which is now on pause when we wait for these appeals court decisions. no matter which side wins, i think you expect appeals. the prosecutor jack smith has asked the supreme court to weigh in on this because we are expecting it to go that far anyway. if trump wins, he has been trying to delay these trials after the election to say let the voters decide whether he should be in office. so, he could appeal to the full

circuit, this is just a three-judge panel today. and then eventually all the way to the supreme court. this is not by any means the end decision. we will have oral arguments today and they will make a decision soon. but the case should eventually get to the supreme court. host: has in the history of presidential immunity, has it ever been tested? guest: there have been several tests on the civil side where presidents have argued that they cannot be sued, particularly while they are president or it would interfere too much in the business of government. in those cases there have been some rulings that say no, insert cases you can be forced -- in certain cases they were granted immunity to the civil litigation while president. but, in the criminal cases which is considered a higher public standard that intentionally it

is unclear, but in several cases presidents have given depositions and recorded testimony. it is not clear yet, these are all sitting presidents. it is not clear how those previous decisions might apply to a former president where you are not really interfering with his day-to-day governing from the white house. he argues -- trump argues that those decisions duke harry immunity, that these previous cases even the ones with civil if -- civil litigation should apply to his criminal cases. host: bart jansen joining us. jb in arkansas from the democrats line. go ahead. caller: mr. janssen, as i understand under the electoral college the voting is done state by state. in the federal government does not get involved in this. so i am wondering what kind of

argument that trump's lawyers can use. he had no business calling these different states and trying to intervene in their voting. so, i do not see where it even has a case. guest: his lawyers are arguing that despite the fact that election law is primarily governed by the states, as you say. they have their own votes and they assign their electoral presidential voters who meet and then send their votes to washington. the argument in this case is that he was both trying to interfere with those state-level charges by calling state officials and encouraging them to change the results of how the electors would vote in the national results. so, the prosecutors are trying to prevent him or anyone else from doing that again.

they have also change the electoral count act in congress to make it harder to mount challenges to those results. but trump contends that he was serially -- sincerely worried about election fraud and it was his duty as president to make sure that his successor, that the next president was chosen fairly and correctly. so he contends that any methods that he might have used to ensure a fair and accurate vote were within his power. host: david from las vegas. republican line. you are next up. hello. caller: mr. jansen, first of all with president trump, has he been arrested for any of these so-called crimes? he has not been officially charged for anything. and he has the power as the president according to the constitution to investigate or he has the power to check on to

do with the elections. bill clinton did it. al gore did it. president bush did it. and as far as january 6 goes, he has not been indicted. he has not been held criminal for any thing to do with january 6. host: ok. thank you, david. guest: i understand what you are saying about being charged with whether he actually incited the riot that occurred on january 6. the federal charges and georgia charges do not charge him explicitly with inciting the riot. the federal indictment carries four charges, three of them are for conspiracy and one is for obstruction. that is the obstructing of congress from counting the electoral college votes on january 6. so the precise charges do not

use the word incitement or trying to whisper -- two spur the in spirit -- the insurrection. but the evidence under the charges basically accuse him of trying to interfere with how the votes were gathered, counted and that it led eventually to january 6. we do expect the special counsel, jack smith, to bring evidence about how that led to january 6. so i think you will be hearing quite a bit of that at trial if we get to trial. in a similar vein georgia is accusing him of racketeering or having a conspiracy to try to alter the results. while it is not necessarily precisely about january 6, again the events and actions according to prosecutors led to the results. host: the united states

courthouse, that will be today. the three panel judges will talk about the issue and debate the issue of presidential immunity. what we know about the actual judges involved. guest: it is a three-judge panel. if trump had his brothers he would have chosen three different judges. one was appointed by george h w bush and two by biden. the majority of that panel is not certain how they will vote based on who appointed them. but, i suspect that he might have preferred judges that he appointed or fellow republicans or a majority appointed by republicans. they are charged with deciding the laws so they will presumably cast and independent eye on the issues at stake. at one part of the argument they said they would like to hear answers to questions about friends of the court, outside

groups that have filed written arguments in the case. in one case a group arguing that it really could not appeal a decision on immunity at this stage. you have to wait until the case is further along. that the only way you could appeal is on speech and debate clause. and another provision in the constitution so that may be, they should not even be hearing the case at all. which means they could potentially say this is not right yet, we should wait and just send it back to district court. i suspect on that kind of decision trump would appeal and smith could potentially appeal because they might want an answer so they know better how the case proceeds. host: and the full stork it will take it up? guest: if trump wanted to appeal he could use a full circuit. there is a fancy term called en bank, which would have 12 judges

to hear the case instead of the three-judge panel. neither side could go directly to the supreme court. my expectation is that jack smith might try to go to the supreme court if he is on the losing side of a panel decision, but trump might take the extra step because he is fine with having the case because as long as possible. host: david in michigan for our guest. independent line. caller: can you hear me? host: yes, go ahead. caller: could you please define the fine line of if the president is running for office or executive office, because there seems to be a controversy about office. could you describe that line for rs -- for us all to figure out what the controversy is. i will take my answer off there. guest: i think i'm not familiar

with the distinction that you are trying to draw. he is running for the executive office. it is top of the executive branch. the congress is the legislative branch and the judges are part of the judicial branch. he is running for executive office and elected office because people will be voting. i am not sure what finer distinction you might be trying to jaw -- to draw. host: george, north carolina. democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call and i want to address this call to the guest, please. this is a democracy country. a democracy country means that we elect the officials. it is not like korea, china and some of the others, the communist countries that have dictators that do what they want to do. we have laws over here. and the law of this land is established to be everyone

created equal, and get the same type of justice. no one should be above the law. so when you have someone trying to be above the law, trying to change the law to benefit them, and when they are in power like the executive, like you said. the executive branch is the top branch. so, my question is is this, how can you as being the executive leader of this country think that you are above the law and do what you want to do and not be held accountable? any country that has television or social media, they saw what happened the day of january 6 insurrection. and the insurrection is that people are going down to insight. that is insurrection. host: got your point. guest: you are right that we are

an elective democracy. we have people voting in the case of the president one step removed because we vote by stake -- by states and in the electors. in the electors technically select the president. the charges basically are to prevent a president from trying to remain in office unlawfully try and basically tipped the scale or the election in his fave europe -- in his favor. trump says that he was trying to root out fraud. if we get to trial that is one of the big issues that will be resolved. how far do the executive powers go in enforcing election law. how much can he do in contrast to his he just trying to stick around because he wants to hold onto the job. host: they reference the how -- the actions of the house and senate when it became to the impeachment over january 6.

how did that factor into the legal argument? guest: that is one argument that he has made in pushing to dismiss the charges that the constitution calls for the big check on the presidency is impeachment. so the house decides are there charges that we can agree on? of course president trump impeached twice, once for foreign matters dealing with his dealings with ukraine and the second dealing with the january 6 insurrection which the house called him inciting the insurrection. that was the charge. they send those charges to the senate. the senate holds a trial. in the case of the january 6 charges the senate voted 53 -- 57-43 to convict him, at the constitution required a two thirds majority so it fell short and trump was acquitted. sauer argues that that was your

chance. and he was acquitted. and so no further charges should be brought. the prosecutors say impeachment is irrelevant, particularly in terms of a former president that he can be charged after leaving office. and even after an impeachment decision has been rendered that he could be charged at that point. host: let us hear from mike, texas. republican line. caller: good morning. impeached over a phone call. he should've bribed them, just like joe. jack smith has a record. and, i know that we are focused so much on trump because if we talk about trump and the callers tell us how evil he is prosperity is made better. i do not get it. they are so much better off by telling us how much they hate trump. the thing is jack smith held

back exculpatory information on governor mcdonald of virginia when he was a one term, all governors are. and the supreme court overturned his conviction 9-0. so that one should just sit there and bake for a little of this -- for a little bit. host: how does that relate to the case today? caller: yeah. i do not trust jack smith. i think a lot of these things are lined up. look at it this way, pedro. they lined up all of these to schedule for the election year of 2024. why couldn't any of this be held in 2022? just objectively thinking, why couldn't some of the spin dealt with 18 months ago? just by cure -- pure coincidence it happened in an election year. guest: there have been complaints even among democrats

about the length of time it took to bring charges like this against former president trump. as you said, january 6 2021 is now three years ago. so what took so long? one argument that a hear from former prosecutors is that in charging all of the people related to the riot that you are building up for lower-level folks all the way up to the highest people involved. that is one element. another element is that it just did take quite a while for attorney general merrick garland to appoint a special counsel, jack smith to investigate the case. he was appointed in november 2022. so prosecutors are telling me that he was getting indictments the following june and august on the two federal cases that in that way the federal prosecutors moved very swiftly. but the bigger question that

people are still sorting out as outside observers is why did it take so long to appoint a special counsel, didn't we want an answer faster? there is not an explanation and the attorney general says it cannot discuss the case. he does not want to influence it in any way, but that is something people will be asking about no matter how these cases are resolved. what was the gap, why did it take so long? and are we satisfied with how they are playing out? as it was the ground-level rioters, they have charged 1250 people so far. they have convictions in nearly 900. they have estimated a couple of thousand people might have been involved so there still could be hundreds still charged at lower-level charges and how long will that play out? host: how much time will each side have to make their case? guest: 20 minutes for each side

and a five minute rebuttal. about 45 minutes. i have been in a couple of cases when the judges get interested and started chewing on an issue they can carryover if they want to. host: is there a typical amount of time for the panel to make their decision and release a? guest: there is no deadline. but we had a different but related case where the 11th circuit heard arguments about whether mark meadows could move his as a codefendant to donald trump in georgia in these election related racketeering charges could move from state to federal court. he seeks to move to federal. he had a hearing on friday and a decision on monday and that is as fast as i've heard a court deciding. i do not know it will be fast with this one. host: let us hear from one more viewer. richard from kentucky. democrat line. caller: hello. my question is there was a filing by the group on the 14th amendment and the media keep

saying section three. there is a paragraph -- or a section , 111 -- there is a section that says paragraph three is null. do you know which one that is? guest: i do not have the 14th amendment in front of me right now but we will get decisions in each of these cases. we have maine kurt -- turning him down and the colorado supreme court saying he should not be on the ballot and we are expecting decisions in both cases for governing both sometime before the election. we will see how fast the supreme court can rule. host: bart jansen reporting for usa today on the justice department and other legal matters. if you want to see his work you can do so at usatoday.com. what are you looking for in this case in the days ahead? guest: for mostly how they

question the lawyers, basically doesn't look like they are leaning one way or the other or might they throw it out on a procedural matter like they should not be hearing it already. in addition we have a separate case, unrelated case. he has a civil fraud trial in new york city and we will get closing arguments on that on thursday, and he has a lot of politics scheduled over the next couple of weeks as we begin the presidential caucuses and primaries. host: thank you very much. if you want to hear the livestream of what iis going to be said at 9:30, follow along on c-span3. you can also follow along at c-span now and the website, c-span.org. coming up and later, josh kraushaar will talk about 2024 electoral politics and the latest on how those politics are being impacted by the

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and conducting general business. the pentagon has declined to disclose details." you can roll that into issues on that matter or talk about issues concerning the u.s. southern border, the homeland security secretary, alejandra mayorkas headed down to eagle pass, texas to talk about issues concerning immigration and border security. one of the people covering the secretary while there was ks 8ttv, she is a producer and contact -- content creator. she had a chance to speak to the secretary. thank you for joining us. tell us a little bit about the city itself. why does it draw so much attention when it comes to immigration? guest: local officials are kind of curious. it is about 2600 people right across the border from a big

mexican city. a lot of people go to and from there. but things have been difficult with the bridge closures and migrants have been crossing over recently which we have seen have been draining their resources. host: we sell republicans interested in the area that we saw the homeland security sec. being interested himself. what brought him there? guest: he said because of the large number of migrants. the week before christmas we sounder rep -- we saw around 4000 migrants every single day and you might have seen pictures of the large groups of people waiting to be processed. and so the secretary said he wanted to visit to see the impact and to think border patrol. host: give us a sense of how much time he spent on the ground and who he talked with and what was he kind of gathering as far as learning or following this topic. guest: i am not sure what time he got there. we just knew that he would be

there to meet with border enforcement and local leaders. the mayor told me last week that secretary mae arcus let him know that the bridge was reopening on thursday. and when we got to speak with him he had a media availability around 4:00. he spoke for about 20 minutes and one-on-one with us afterward. host: if you go to the website you can see the interview. what did you ask him and what did you learn about the topic? guest: we had five minutes and what we wanted to focus on where the issues that people in eagle pass have. every time i have gone there in the past two or three months every time people have said that they wanted to see secretary mayorkas. they are frustrated with him and the federal government. he says that he understands but he kinda passed the buck and said congress is responsible and they need to put laws in place to help the people. host: in the follow-up story

leading up to the visit you said you talk to business leaders and other people and they talked about the visit and what they were hoping to hear from the secretary. what were some of the concerns that those people wanted to hear , at least that they wanted him to address? guest: they wanted to see how he would help. several business owners i talked to and his stores not usually open on sunday but because the bridge reopened he wanted to make sure that he could stay open on sunday. we talked to the chamber of commerce and said that businesses lost 40 to 60% of their profit because of the lack of people coming from eagle pass. a lot of people say that they just want solutions, some of the suggestions we have heard is closing the border entirely to migrants and another person said that he never thought he would say that and that he understands why these people come over to the u.s. for a better life. but he says the lack of control is hurting his business. host: she is the secretary --

did the secretary address the governor's approach or express concerns about it? guest: he did not touch on that. host: as far as what you have seen from the governor's actions, is it making differences? or what has changed from what you see? guest: nothing yet because i know that sb four does not go into effect until march. that it has been a point of discussion. talk to the fire department and they are overwhelmed. they said that they got more money to address the migrants and sometimes i get so overwhelmed and they have to pull additional ambulances to help. i know that they are hoping that the federal government steps in and helps. host: you have been back and forth several times and covering this topic when it comes to the larger issue. what have you learned from your reporting and covering it?

guest: for me the thing that stuck with me is the impact that it has on people's everyday lives. when you see the political back-and-forth, you see people bickering about it. it is onesie -- one thing to see that and how it is affecting businesses and how it is affecting their safety. people say that they are concerned. they do not know who is coming over and they see people waiting on the street to go to wherever they are going, whether it is san antonio or other cities in the u.s.. and they are just overwhelmed. host: this is danielle out of ksat-tv out of san antonio. if you want to see her work and the interview she had taken go to the website. thank you for the time and giving us your time this morning. guest: thank you. host: when it comes to secretary may orchids, it is winds -- secretary mayorkas, it is 10:00

when that first impeachment takes place. it is expected at she is expected to appear there. live cerage at 10:00 on c-span3. you can also follow along on c-span now and c-span.org. this is open forum. sam in florida. republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. sorry about that. just calling to ask why all of a sudden i am seeing so labor -- so many liberals media people on c-span and very few conservatives the last couple of days? both of those gentlemen were anti-the former president and i thought this was a station that would provide neutral information from all sides. you take calls from all sides, but i hear more people being interrupted and questioned by the moderators on the republican line they had the democrat line.

that is my only question. host: oklahoma. republican line. you are next. caller: i appreciate your service and you are doing a great job and i think c-span is doing a great job. i just wanted to raise a thought about presidential immunity and the importance of it, that i think the founders put on it. first of all with donald trump, he has been acquitted of insurrection already through the process that the founders made, impeachment. the second peach meant he was acquitted. the insurrection in bringing that back up seems to be odd for any case. the other thing is this. presidential immunity is highly valuable. they are a well of knowledge because they have met all the different people around the world and all the different leaders. even eisenhower was called up and advised with kennedy during the cuban missile crisis. this is why the founders wanted

the presidents to have immunity, not because it is -- they are bubble not -- above the law, but i do think mr. trump should and does have immunity. on its face any man would say i want to make sure that i was treated fairly. that is his motivation, not insurrection. he is clearly a patriot. he basically has skin in the game as a capitalist. if america goes down so does everything he has. host: james, west virginia. independent line. caller: good morning. you are talking to me? host: yes sir, you are on. caller: i am talking. i am just trying to wonder. donald trump, you know he has 91 indictments. when did they start? did they start before he was the president? did they start while he was

president? i do not get it. he did a lot of things that is not right, you know. and people out here they just act -- i am blind, i cannot see her nothing. but i do not understand it, what is going on here with this guy. if it was me, and i am blind, and i did this things -- these things this man did i would be in jail regardless. host: james in west virginia the latest when it comes to the former president's lit eagle -- legal issues, we've been showing you pictures all morning. a panel expected to take up the case or at least listen to arguments for and against the idea presidential immunity.

the former president expected to make his own impairments -- his own appearance. those are just pictures of what you will see if you are standing outside in the rain as well. we will show you those periodically through the course of the morning during this open forum. in maryland from the republican line. this is jack, hello. caller: hello. how are you doing. a lot of stuff going on. talking about the border is a waste of time because joe will not do anything about it at all. impeaching may orchids m --ayorkis is a waste of time. going after hunter is a waste of time because an old man -- his old mandible give him a pardon. talking about january 6, it makes you look so stupid. one year before that you had murders, fires, and riots for a

year and you are lucky if you have 15 people locked up for that let alone 1500 people who walked into the capitol building. all you had on january 6 was a black man what it -- murder a white woman and that is a disgrace. host: jack on the republican line. it was the homeland security secretary yesterday that during that tour in eagle pass texas talking about what he sees at the state of border security and immigration issues. here is a portion. [video clip] >> some have accused dhs of not enforcing our nation's laws. this could not be further from the truth. having begun my public service career as a federal prosecutor for 12 years, ultimately serving as a united states attorney, there is nothing i take more seriously than our responsibility to uphold the law. and the men and women of dhs are

working around the clock to do so. the individuals who have been returned to their countries of origin certainly know this. app or -- after the ending of title 42, through the end of the fiscal year, dhs removed or returned more noncitizens without a basis to remain in the united states they had in any other five-month period in the last 10 years. in fact, the majority of all migrants encountered at the southwest border throughout this administration have been removed, returned or expelled. a majority of them. we are doing everything we can within a broken system to incentivize noncitizens, to use lawful pathways, to impose consequences on those who do not and to reduce irregular migration.

we will continue to do everything we can and we will continue to enforce the law. but we need congress to make a legislative train -- changes and provide funding that front-line officers so desperately need. host: that was the secretary from yesterday. also the house oversight and accountability committee issuing its resolution when it comes to hunter biden. period "the hill" according that where they are holding president -- hunter biden in contempt of congress by ignoring a subpoena to appear in a closed-door session. they say "mr. biden's flagrant defiance while choosing to appear nearby to read a prepared statement on the same matters is contemptuous. he must be held accountable for his unlawful actions parent -- unlawful actions. they find robert hunter biden in

contempt for his failure to prove -- two comply with the subpoena issued to him. watch that play out when it comes into that. you can bring that up during this open forum time. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. south carolina, this is leah. republican line. hello. caller: hello. i am a south carolina resident and yesterday the outburst and the mother emmanuel church was disgusting. i would like to say this. mr. biden, he seems to want to come and play the heartstrings of the african-american folks. when all along we see the communities now there is a

competition for housing and rentals because the immigrants need a place to live as well. so, i feel like it is changing the african-american communities. there is going to be more competition for housing. and the numbers for unemployment are up. only because the immigrants are filling the jobs of roads, constructions, and bridges. thank you. host: leah in south carolina. she mentions the outburst during the speech yesterday. protesters calling for a cease-fire to the current gaza. you can watch it online on c-span.org. here a portion of that. [video clip] >> there is no path from this darkness. >> if you really care about lives lost, you would care about

the lives being lost in palestine. >> cease fire now. >> that is all right. it is all right. >> cease fire now. [inaudible] >> cease fire now. >> four more years. >> thank you. thank you.

>> four more years. >> thank you. i understand their passion. and i have been quietly working with the israeli government to get them to reduce significantly and to get out of gaza, and i am using all i can to do it. [end video clip] host: that complete speech delivery available on the website and app. georgia, michael. democrats line. caller: hello, c-span. i appreciate this opportunity to speak to our country. it is a wonderful thing c-span to have simple american viewpoints. on a serious note, these be serious.

what you said was totally untrue. right now, in the african-american community we have the lowest unemployment rates in history of black middle america. i will just say this and let you go. host: i apologize, you are breaking up. he will leave it there. lee in michigan, republican line. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: my saying is what happened to the 80,000 children missing in our country under mayorkas' watch? host: why is it your thing? caller: well, 80,000 missing children enter the united states and came over the border, where did they go? this is homeland security stuff. they should know where the children are at.

there is trafficking, sex trafficking. and all sorts of this stuff going on. and 80,000 children. it is not being brought off enough -- brought up enough to say where are the children. they are the future of us. where are they? that is my question. i would like to know where these children are. how did they come up missing in the first place. host: also in michigan, democrats line. hello. caller: good morning. i am very disgusted in president biden campaigning in mother emmanuel church, bringing up all of that hate about trump and democracy and that. i mean, -- host: let me pause you on a second. are you a democrat. caller: yes. host: and you are still as critical mentioning what the

president mentioned yesterday? caller: yes. it seemed too hateful. you know? being in a church if you want to talk like that, go to some park. and so, i did not think that that was very fitting. he should bring out the good points as to what he wants to do. thank you. host: ok. let us hear from michael in california. independent line. caller: first off, you could tell that it sounds like you are a democrat and you did not want anybody to talk down about biden. basically what he did yesterday in the black community in that church is a disrespect that church, to the black community. and, well, what is it? he is to hang out with the kkk,

support white supremacy himself 30 years ago or 40 years ago? host: how did you gather that? caller: what do you mean? host: how did you get out of that conclusion? you said that he hung out with akk say -- hung out with the kkk. caller: he went to the funeral for byrd a few years ago. how about let us go back to the truth, first off. biden does not speak the truth. democrats do not speak the truth. and honestly, what did trump say during his speech that jack smith has word for word that he says i want you to go in and tear the capitol up? who has not gone in there and tried to tear it up in the last two or three weeks? host: you would equate that?

you are saying that that happened in the last two weeks? caller: i am saying that did trump say word for word i want you to go in there and cause an insurrection and tear it up? yes or no? jack knows that he did not say word for word. and if people listen to what he said and take that he wants everybody to jump off a bridge and everybody jumps off a bridge that will not happen. host: let us hear from jack, maine. independent line. caller: jack did you say? host: yes. caller: i am calling to talk about the people who think that washington journal is biased in one direction and the other. i am quite proud to watch you every single day. i found it amazing that people will consider that there is bias in one direction or the other.

you have a well-balanced program in my opinion. as a professional political program, there is not better. so, you know, i think people should calm down. the reason i watch, i am an independent but eileen a little democrat. -- but i lean a little democrat. i watch because i want to see what the republicans are saying and then i digested because i want to see if that will make me lean a little different. i want balance in my life too. calm down and watch the show. this is not written by the producers or the host, it is written by the callers. so if you are unhappy by what is going on on the show it is directly related to people calling in. i love everybody in america. let us try to stay together. thank you for letting me call

today. host: jack in mainee. you can call in and express your thoughts. 202-748-8000, democrats. 202-748-8001, republicans. 202-748-8002, independents. one of the things that happened on the senate floor was chuck schumer talking about what you last heard about of the topline deal when it comes to funding for the federal government which is facing deadlines, which you know if you paid attention. when we began our negotiations our goal was to preserve a level of 752 billion, the same level agreed to our debt ceiling deal and that 752 billion was precisely the number we reached. not a nickel was cut.

the agreement now clears the way for congress to act in coming weeks to avoid a government shutdown. while also preserving key domestic programs. the framework agreement will enable appropriators to face challenges here and abroad. both parties reached this agreement without resorting to the painful and draconian cuts that the hard right and the freedom caucus clamored for. host: the reaction from some republicans on the house side,

conservatives consider the spending deal a total failure. here's the reporting, the incoming chair of bob good from virginia who led the removal of bob mccarthy -- kevin mccarthy. republicans agreeing to a 60 billion increase from last year is nothing but spending with an open border. let's hear from nancy in south carolina on the democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to finally clear up this misconception about january 6

versus black lives matter. black lives matter was wrong with vandalizing building but the difference with a lot of the republicans is that on january 6 was a direct attack on our capital which is our government. there is a huge difference. so please america, stop comparing the two because they are totally different. january 6 is such a huge attack on our constitution, our government and our democracy. that's all i wanted to say. hopefully that will bring clarity to people because they keep comparing the two and they

are totally different. host: john is on the republican line from florida. john from florida, hello? caller: hello? thank you c-span. at the time of the insurrection on january 6, did nancy pelosi as the head of the democratic party send reservist back to their armory. host: 74 is reporting the latest winek comes to the latest deal on the border as part of a larger effort to fund the supplemental funding bill. a day after expressing optimism

to get more ukraine aid, he said he felt the timeline would flip next week. there are issues that he thought were resolved or not resolved. they will admit some migrants under humanitarian grounds challenge the idea that parole remains an outcome to the deal. there is still work to be done adding there is some progress. from iowa. which will get a lot of attention with the caucus on the independent line. caller: hi, thank you for taking

my call. i watched most of biden's speech and it appears that his campaign will be based on trashing donald trump and beating the drum about january 6 to death. frankly, i would like to see different candidates from both parties. that being said, it is my feeling that regardless of who the candidates are going to be, the republicans will not win unless he do something about male and ballots or absentee ballots. now, we have early voting and in particular the late counting of

the ballots. every race we have including the presidency, and the states where they cannot decide yet who the winner is going to be because it's so close. when the smoke clears a democrat will be passed. host: fredericksburg, virginia. we will hear from rick. caller: i can't believe about what may your cassette about the number of people sit back. i continue believe that we are applied to all the time and if you saved enough, it's going to be believe. if the democrats do when it

could be some of the 100 million emigrants let in and a great number of them will be allowed to vote. of never really been scared for the united states but i've always been independently well to though. i have a great birdseye view of what is going on. i was raised by grandparents that never drink, smoke or cost. and did the right thing because that is who they were. and i am really frightened for the united states. i don't hate anybody, i have tons of friends who are democrats. i can't believe we are allowing ourselves to be lied to in the fashion and taking it. people must have the shortest

memory in the world. biden has just destroyed us. i am not a truck guy but were not coming back. -- i am not a trump guy. host: it was just days after the resignation from a manhattan court on monday with the long time chief of the nra looking on outlined a case about corruption and mismanagement. they say there has been unchecked spending by mr. lapierre. lapierre corrupted the institution from within. he booked flights with the

personal travel agent. more there on the new york times from that trial yesterday. joseph on the independent line. caller: i just think right now we are in a period of time where we have the technology to revolutionize democracy. we could vote directly on the laws that affect us the most directly on our cell phones. we have to take the narrative back from them and bring it back to the people. host: who is them?

caller: the politicians. host: you just had a segment with mayorkas talking about the border. in trump's first year there were 600 80,000 border encounters, we sent back 265,000. in biden's first year he sent back 59,000. in 2019, he had 1.5 one million and he sent back 267,000 and in biden's second year he had 266,000 encounters. host: what are these figures

from? caller: from the new york post on january 6. host: is it from ice itself or the washington post? what are you saying about the administration specifically? caller: he is lying. if you count three years there are 7 million encounters according to ice and he sent back 250,000. if you look at trump, he had less than 3 million and they sent back 600,000. so who is telling the truth? host: axios reporting when it comes to bowing airlines

reporting issues with airplanes. they report that restoring boeing's reputation just got harder after ordering the grounding of planes when a section of the aircraft flew off during its ascent. it was supposed to be a turnaround year for boeing. with record-breaking topics but with these engineering protocols being question after two incidents. this is from the wheeze in texas. --louise in texas. caller: is it so difficult for

the republican party that he did not trust them to get him over the threshold? he had fake collectors in nevada, michigan. you guys are fighting for this man in hebrew into so many people's careers over alive. -- you guys are fighting for this man who ruined so many careers. this is the first time that a man could not say he lost the election. he has us all fighting over alive. lie. host: massachusetts is next on

the independent line. caller: thank you for having me on. i want to bring up something to me this very glaring. on january 6, when the mom got into the capital they did not stop the certification for joe biden from being president. that had stopped hours before. what was stopped as hours of debate that was going to happen about voting irregularities in arizona and after arizona, this was on the docket. this is what happened on the day technically. when the two senators stood up,

and they said there was a problem when they got to arizona . the two senators stood up and said there were voting problems in arizona. the certification was shut down. everybody went back to their chambers and there was going to be a minimum of 12 hours of debate. host: we got the history, what is your point? caller: the point is, if the insurrectionists were there to do an insurrection, why did they interrupt the proceedings of debating what went wrong with the elections in the swing states? host: this is from david in san francisco on the independent line. caller: i wanted to talk about

the government shutdown where the house of representatives has a responsibility to put together a budget and they still have not done it. they have gone out of their way and these poor sobs defending trump. these people are the biggest suckers and they are being played. if you do a quick snopes search about nancy pelosi's role in security, she had no role. thus her job. the fact that these people still have general flynn pretending to be a patriot. the blind fellow who called,

there are four different sets of indictments and the oldest stuff would be trump's fraud in new york. host: we have to leave it there because we are out of time. for those who participated in this open forum we appreciate you for doing so. josh kraushaar from fox news radio and editor-in-chief of the jewish insider talking about 2024 and the impact of the israel/hamas war. he will join us next when the washington journal continues. ♪ >> watch c-span's campaign coverage a one-stop shop to see where the candidates are traveling in what they are

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at the start of 2024, how do you assess president biden and former president trump? guest: this is shaping up to be an anti-climatic processes. there has been a lot of turbulence but president trump is a commanding position as someone whose support has only grown. he enters the new year with the commanding position in iowa, a little weaker and new hampshire. nikki haley is catching up to him. moderate showing the influence in the state. trump still has a high approval among the 60-70% of republican voters.

president biden, the question is about his age. when you look at the polling and talk to voters, there is concern that is one of the biggest challenge she will have to overcome that he will be able to serve out the term and has the energy and charisma to run a campaign. he will start on the campaign trail in south carolina with his speech about democracy. host: why do you think he chose those themes in his speech, will it be i am not donald trump are the issues i want to pursue? guest: expect a lot of the message to be about as much about donald trump as it is

about his own accomplishments. certainly, he wants to talk about the economy. we heard a lot about bidenomics but people were still feeling the pain. they see the wars going on in ukraine and russia and what is going on in the middle east. there are a lot of delays and by biden understands he is pulling low. january 6 is a lot of the issue for democratic voters. there could be a lot of questions about the economy, border security and crime. but when it comes to issues of democracy, that so one of the strongest issues that democrats

have. host: we have shown video from another court room that trump will be in today. how will that affect the time he will be able to spend on the campaign? guest: they will be spending as much time in the court as they are in new hampshire and iowa covering the primaries. there are a lot of legal issues that he is facing in vulnerabilities that could play into what happens in 2024. but when is the timing of the d.c. trial? how will that blend to the primary. do republican voters worry about a convicted former president,

how does he run for president in those circumstances? host: our guest is with us until 10:00. if you have questions related to campaign 2024 on the issues for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001 for independents (202) 748-8002 or text at (202) 748-8003. with the iowa caucus approaching, talk about what president trump has to achieve and the others running? guest: let's start with the challengers. we will know if a real challenger can emerge. nikki haley seems to be the most formidable challenger. in iowa, trump is a clear forerunner.

desantis has put forward the most money. he had the endorsement of kim reynolds, and religious leaders but it has not translated. nikki haley has a little more momentum. if she can finish in second place and translate that into an outright when against strong, that would set up a super tuesday in south carolina. host: as you talk about new hampshire as a corrective against iowa, how does that play against iowa. guest: iowa is still sensitive that they lost the democratic caucus. nikki haley is certainly playing for new hampshire.

the electorate is more moderate and tailor-made for nikki haley. if there is a state that donald trump is the weakest in its new hampshire. host: here an ad for a super pac's supporting donald trump against nikki halley. [video clip] >> nikki haley even opposed trump's wall and pushed for amnesty. we don't need to call them criminals because they are not. host: they are probably seeing

plenty of those as but what is the messaging there? guest: that is a hard-hitting message against nikki haley. border security is submerging the top issue for republican voters. even democratic mayors so worried about immigrants impacting their communities. it's is also assigned that trump has spent most of his campaign focusing on ron desantis. he sees him as his largest threat and now, they are spending money against nikki haley which shows that she is submerging as the most formidable challenger. host: we will show you that bad, but we will also take calls.

carol in virginia on the independent line. caller: my concern is how divided america is right now. whoever our next president is, i'm concerned with our position globally. with our position in the global market, i'm wondering how are the candidates going to bring america back to the position where we were so strong and dominant after world war ii. guest: you see in the american electorate of malaise, trump wanted to get out of nato. despite the war in ukraine. the democratic party has had a

heavy strain of isolationism and the wariness of wars. when we talk about nikki haley in the mainstream middle and american politics is trying to bring that back and talk about republican internationalism. and the need to win these wars, israel's war against hamas in ukraine against russia. that is the middle position although in recent months you have seen a lot more isolationism on the right and questions about the future of funding for ukraine. host: this is charlie in california on the republican line. caller: this is charlie. host: go ahead. caller: i am wondering if the

democrats are putting together their first planned impeachments of trump when he wins and i wish desantis would get his wife more involved because she is a charmer. guest: we will take the desantis question. one of the big frustrations among the people in his circle is that he started off as a formidable challenger last year. some showed him neck and neck in the conservative reckoning and a conservative state. he did not project the most charismatic figure. he didn't really talk to voters and have the charm that a lot of

candidates are supposed to do in iowa and new hampshire and his wife has been one of his biggest assets. the challenge with desantis with these public appearances he comes across as knowledgeable and as a fighter and he has taken on the left wing but he has not been able to showcase much empathy and connecting one-on-one. host: is there a sense after iowa that there is an offramp for his campaign? guest: his campaign has put all of their eggs in one basket. if he finishes and third place it is hard to see how he would have the money or resources in

new hampshire he is pulling in fourth place. host: speaking of new hampshire here's an ad airing there supporting nikki haley. [video clip] >> of all the republicans running for president why it is donald trump only attacking nikki haley? because trump knows haley is the only one who can beat him. she cut government taxes for small business and now she is trying to eliminate the federal gas tax. a new generation of conservative leadership. host: playing on that theme of age. guest: new generational leadership the fact that both trump and biden together over a

hundred 60 years old. she is also taking hits on the immigration issue and donald trump on taxes. in south carolina she offers her opinion. host: here is kevin on the democrats line. caller: i am a lifelong democrat and i think your callers, we got our government reelected. we voted for him instead of stacey abrams. we are going to do the same thing this year with joe biden. we will vote for anybody. there are thousands of us.

i think you better wake up and free palestine. thank you. guest: one of the worries of the biden campaign is whether some of their supporters, the progressive voters, whether some of them stay home or vote for a third-party candidate. there are third-party candidates like robert of ken, jill stein, cornell west. the challenge they could face is the voters stay home or look at third-party candidates on the left and bleeding support from the candidates. host: in reference to those polls, the biden campaign says

they could see a reflection of the economy in the polls. was the expectation of that happening? guest: there is a disconnect between the macro economic outlook. the economy is growing against expectation and unemployment is low, the stock market and 401(k)s are doing well. but the price you pay for goods is still significantly higher than four years ago. containment elevated from where people were hoping and expecting. thus the question coming in to 2024. the second quarter is usually when economic perception gets baked in.

whether there is growing consumer confidence next year. host: our guests not only serves as a political analyst of fox radio but editor-in-chief of the jewish insider. what is that? guest: we cover what is going on in the news with israel and hamas in the scourge of anti-semitism. host: how are people reacting to president biden's management? guest: he is and a no-win situation. among a lot of people who care about israel and those who want

to see hamas defeated. the numbers on foreign policy are better than economic policy. he is able to keep the mainstream coalition together but is had to deal with the progressive left, concerned about the casualties in the humanitarian situation. in gaza, you saw his speech at mother manual church where you had a bunch of protesters interrupting a solemn occasion at the church and that is the kind of unrest within the party the white house is worried about. they have the majority of public opinion on how they handle policy. but they want to cease-fire and outspoken about humanitarian issues.

and they are trying to urge israel to get into the next phase. host: what about different sectors and their reaction to israel/hamas? guest: michigan is a state that the white house is more concerned about than they were a year ago because of the arab-american vote. in a swing state, even small movements can make a big difference. states like pennsylvania, georgia, ohio. they feel politics are on their side. host: let's hear from marlene in

connecticut, on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. as an independent voter and a blue state, i'm not affiliated with the party but i do have a lot of questions about the republicans stance on border security. why they vote against every package that includes border security and calling for a shutdown of government. don't they realize that shutting down the government includes border control. it's disconcerting that they don't realize side or they are trying to guess i people. as a woman voter, it's concerning the stance they take on removing rights from women. they vote to cover viagra as a

medical product but remove health care for women. birth control in some states, abortion and others. host: i want to start there, abortion as an issue. guest: abortion is one of the few issues where democrats have an advantage. and when we look at these referendum for certain protections. the pro-choice side has gotten the majority even in writer states. redder states. certainly in some demographic groups thus a top issue. the economy, the border, they rival abortion for the top issue.

the larger electorate will be the economy but those issues that drive people to the polls, abortion is an issue that will engage democratic turnout and get them to the polls. host: and the president has message that issue too? guest: that's big with the vice president's portfolio. she's been speaking to the progressive part of the party in his been effective in getting out the message. host: mike joins us from pennsylvania. caller: good morning guys how are you doing? my question is, on the supreme court ruling with respect to colorado, how much of a boost that's going to give to trump

assuming that it is going to go his way? and secondly, the gaza conflict, how much is politics going to get involved with that in terms of its harming biden's radical base? do you see them in remaining to address that radical base? guest: you have the colorado supreme court ruling 5-4 did not have trump on the ballot. democrats don't want to get anywhere near that. it's hard for them to say that they support democracy and then

take trump's name off of the ballot. they view that skeptically. the supreme court is going to look at that and i have a feeling it will get resolved of the time we get to the primaries. that is not an issue wants to talk about getting him off the ballot. the same thing with the issue of the middle east. you have some outspoken left-wing lawmakers calling for cease-fire and not condemning hamas. they have tried to marginalize those folks but they dominate a lot of these new cycles. we will keep our fingers crossed that you don't hear a lot from the aoc's from the world. host: they're still trying to

get the ukraine, israel funding secured. guest: the republicans have put conditions on giving money to ukraine. an issue that there was strong bipartisan report. there is a strong isolationist waiting of the republican party. and debate they want to condition on border security. in israel, it is more popular but they're trying to pile that to get wide-ranging legislation passed. it's hard to get anything done on a bipartisan basis. host: from missouri on the independent line. caller: how are you doing, good morning josh and pedro. i have a question concerning the

third rail that most journalists don't want to attack and that is the fact that during the 70's and 80's there was a push for evangelicals to come into politics. in 2018, the representation of evangelicals has gone from 13% to 38% is occupied by evangelical christians that are primarily gop members. i'm wondering why no one wants to talk about that. guest: in iowa, one of the biggest and most important constituencies is evangelical christians.

they support donald trump and ron desantis. it is a major factor in discussion point. host: the leader came out in support of ron desantis. guest: he's a figurehead in the movement. we are seeing this across the board, leaders can always get their followers to follow them. there have been evangelical leaders who have been critical of donald trump but you don't see the voters following suit. host: part of our plan coverage of the iowa caucus and you can follow along on the networks but also our other platforms.

talk about the states to watch. what are things you find interesting? guest: there are fewer battleground states. when i first covered politics, ohio was about a ground state. iowa was a swing state that was important. with polarization, fewer battleground states remain. pennsylvania has the biggest state to watch. it is a moderate state where you don't have as many left-wing voters. you have a lot of moderates making up the difference. there is a big senate race thereto. pennsylvania is a state to watch. michigan, georgia, arizona, two

new emerging battlegrounds. those would be the four, maybe wisconsin could make the list as well. host: in new milford on the independent line. caller: happy new year and thank you for taking my call. i was wondering if you could describe the typical supporter of donald trump in terms of character, education and normal mental state. guest: the simplest way to put it is the average republican supporting trump think he is really good. they thought the economy was in good shape.

i think some people overthink how people view politics. there is a lot of nonsense out there. you can see a lot of outlandish opinions. but when you think about iowa voters, we were better for years ago. they like his policy record. there is a big divide between working-class blue-collar voters who overwhelmingly support donald trump and more affluent voters who tend to be looking to ron desantis and nikki haley. 20 years ago, it was the white collar candidates that made up the majority of the party but with donald trump blue-collar

voters have made up the difference. host: from willie in florida, go ahead. willie in oak hill, florida, go ahead. let's go to betty in pennsylvania on the democrats line. caller: good morning. i had a follow-up to the gentleman about why are these people supporting trump? what kind of a spell does this man cast on these people? he has such disdain for our military, the people keeping us safe. he is back to calling john mccain not a hero.

he wants to execute joint chiefs of staff and does not want to visit graves because he will get wet. he makes fun of the disabled. he wants our economy to crash in 12 months. he lies constantly. he has divided this country like no other and yet these people still want to support him. if you have children or grandchildren, why will these people wake up and see what this man is doing to our country and god help us if you should ever get near the white house again. guest: there is certainly a cult of personality around trump. just this past week, a hideous comment about john mccain years after he has passed. he talked about the january 6

prisoners as hostages being held in prison. if any other republican candidate said the same thing, vivek ramaswamy has use the same kind of rhetoric but he has lost votes. people are just plugged into his brand and he has sustained some of the scandals that would've taken any other republican out. host: what can would he have to bring in? guest: he would have to win over the vast share of people who feel like they've gotten the raw deal. joe biden was able to look at

the mismanagement of the past four years we need to restore the soul of america. but now he is in charge and he is easier to challenge his record. if people don't think they are better off than they were four years ago he has to win over those voters. he has to overcome the chaos, legal issues. they have become more of a factor for voters. host: let's hear from tony in kentucky on the independent line. caller: i am not for trump for at all. i am disabled and i

don't like when he mocked that reporter. he was not a good leader. all the stuff that is happening right now that they blame on joe biden. it would happen anyway. i am not book smart but i know one thing, trump is not the way this country should go. we need to stay far away from him. host: we have your point caller. guest: we are in the middle of a nominating campaign. there is an ability for a challenger to reach that position against donald trump and we will see what happens in iowa. we will see if ron desantis performs in iowa and show his vulnerabilities.

or he could lose new hampshire, you could see a pathway to trump losing an important state like new hampshire. the reality is when it comes to the republican electorate, there is a vulnerability in the general electorate. host: when it comes to nikki haley, how has she recovered from her statements about the civil war? guest: it was her first really big mistake. she is been doing cleanup ever since. i don't think republican voters will hold that against her but someone like chris christie, and whether he peels enough support from the more moderate voters. he has been hitting her pretty

hard. if he could peel off 10% of her vote he could be a big factor. host: to the extent that robert f. kennedy, jr. and cornel west, could that affect the president? guest: one of the questions is ballot access. you can run as a third-party candidate but you won't always get access on the ballot. you have to look at the dynamics between these candidates. but it will be a lot harder for biden to hold the coalition together. trump has the base with him, and

has a greater chance that biden leak support from the left rather than trump on the conservative side. host: irene from new york. caller: i listened to joe biden last night and i'm tired of him. he's just talking about white supremacist all the time. he has called for this between black and white people. i am tired of him calling us white supremacist. he needs to go on to something else besides that. host: telling us what you are watching for new hampshire? guest: new hampshire is a key state in the nominating process

so i'm looking to see if nikki haley can consolidate the trump skeptical vote. if she does well what is the next primary state, south carolina. if nikki haley can do well in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina we can have a horse race. host: our guesswork can be found at jewish insider.com as the editor-in-chief and political in the list for fox news. thank you for your time today. guest: thank you peter. host: that's it for us today another edition of washington journal is your way -- is coming your way tomorrow at 7:00 a.m.. this is the washington journal. ♪

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