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tv   Washington Journal Michael Graham  CSPAN  January 22, 2024 11:08am-11:52am EST

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mexico? as governor chris sununu has been pointing out, there has been a surge of crossings from
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the northern border and of people who are on the terrorist watch list, so that is a spark. another thing is high profile incidents in new hampshire, for example a gentleman from brazil who allegedly took part in a mass murderer in priscilla and was convicted was found livingin new hampshire a few months ago and seized by police. last week, you had a story of someone charged with sexually abusing ciz mentally disabled person in boston. i sent over a detainer because the person was hereand the judge under the sanctuary philosophy said we are not going to recognize your detainer and they release this person who allegedly raped someone. the kind of stories people are reading in new hampshire and is having an impact on the electorate. also, the arnikki haley said donald
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trump is the candidate of chaos and i think that is a legitimate argument. other voters say look at the chaos we have gotten since biden was in office. you are adding the population of new hampshire in illegal immigrants every year. that is the chaos. because trump is whatever your description is, his supporters think the way he bay and he will make a difference. so immigration adds to that chaos debate going on with voters now. host: you mentioned your state's governor. what do you think of his support nikki haley and what happensf a contender anymore? guest: first, governor sununu is the most popular in new hampshire,veough it is a state that has no republicans in the federal delegation.
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mpete for control of the statehouse. they have 400 people in the state house of representatives the third-biggest elected body in the english-speaking world. he is stillecause republicans like him and independents like him and even democrats like him, so he is a powerful political asset for connecting with people. he does not have a big machine cut not like back in the day en could turn on his machine and send them out. governor sununu has been able to get the media to follow him. he is great on camera and he is a talentedhe hits the stage and the crowd perks up. he knows how to speak to those college-educated voters who nikki haley really needs. that is his sweet spot. if nikki haleysununu will be declared -- i will give you a preview. you have to journal will claire
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-- new hampshire journal will declare him one of the winners if she breaks 40%. if she gets close to 20%, it may hurt him somewhat, but the view in new hampshire is nikki haley's success is -- she had some already, but getting her to 40% has been help of governor chris sununu. host: alexandria, virginia, line for democrat you kind of stole my question. i have a question and comment. trump has not paid his taxes, if we want to talk about people doing illegal things in the country. with desantis an that -- vivek being against donald trump and then supporting him, do you think nikki haley will support him? if donald trump and joe biden have a rematch, what do you think the plan is once donald
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trump loses? popularity around the election time and he lost. and we are sending him up fo1lwhat government building will they attack next? i am waiting for your answer. guest: i do not know about plans for attacking government buildings. we do not cover that beat. your question about the possibility of a rematch and what nikki haley does, i assume reporters like to talk about it. everybody backs the party nominee. that is what happens. joe biden came in fifth in new hampshir he could hardly buy votes, yet when he got to south carolina amy klobuchar, who suggested he was too old, jumped on board and supported him here and that is what happens.
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of course nikki haley will back her party primary. of course chris sununu, who does not like donald trump, will endorse donald trump if he is the nominee. are they going to be happy about it? no. when john kerry was the democrat nominee, they were democrats who were not thrilled about it. that is the naturof partisan politics and it has gotten more so because the most powerful forceso republicans and democrats are ready to go to their corner because they are afraid of doing something that might let the other team win. that is why joe biden, despite his poor pulling numbers democrats are rallying with him. they do not want to open the door for anything that might look like it is helping trump. it is negative partisanship. make sure the other guy loses. host: ballot of this primary, will there be a
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delay in results? host: -- guest: the democrat national committee decided last year they wanted to take iowa and new hampshire out of the front of the line because they argued new hampshire and iowa are not diverse enough. because they said the democratic primary voters were too white their words, they wanted to change it. new hampshire did not play along. the state law says, we will go a week before any similar contest. south carolina, they have to go at least a week before the south carolina primary and every democrat in the state supported it. now joe biden says i will not be in the ballot. he was in massachusetts a few weeks ago. not a chance.
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he says new hampshire is off the table. no joe biden. he is not on the ballot. he chose to not be on the ballot. what do you do? the democrats in new hampshire think the best way to respond is to try to give him a win anyway, so they have mounted a right in effort and gotten tens of thousands of dollars to try to get people to show up and write in joe biden tuesday. we have two -- more than 20 candidates but two declared the people have heard of. one is minnesota congressman dean phillips, who has been out every day campaigning. lots of social media ads. polls say he could get close to 20% and then marianne williamson, a well-known author and motivational speaker, she is running again and has been in new hampshire a lot. there are a couple things about
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the delayed results. they train the voting folks every year to keep them fresh on the rules and processes. their guide is if you get done with the republican votes and everything is clean and you have reconciled it but you are still hand counting democratic ballots because they have right in and it is going to be another hour or two, go ahead if you have permission to release them. i would expect to see mixed results. large urban precincts in manchester releasing republican results maybe at 9:00 but not releasing democrat results until 10:00 or 11:00. some people will go, what is going on? is the nature of one set of ballots, very easy to count for the machine. another, you have to look and
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there are other things going on. a former candidate for governor here has organized a group of people. they want progressives to write in cease fire on the ballot to protest israel's war with hamas and president biden's support for israel. then republicans early on responded, do not write in biden. right in bozo because do not reward him for trying to steal the primary. make him have a bad day. maybe four years ago, democrats might think differently. they may not want to try to take it away again. so now you have a situation where a local official and there is a scrawl and you have to figure out, is it biden? so the secretary of state has done a good job training the
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local folks here in their guidance is if you can determine the intent of the voter we want to count the votes. we want people who want to write in joe biden to have their voice heard, so they will have a liberal interpretation of the write in signatures tuesday night. host: when it comes to south carolina versus new hampshire do you see a time where it reverts back as far as new hampshire's priority? guest: that is a great question and something we will be covering a lot. what should new hampshire do? democrats have taken it away by insulting the democratic primary voters. they have said you cannot be
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trusted to vote and give fair shake to candidates of caller which is i think unfair to democrats. they voted for barack obama twice. i think that is unfair to these voters. but that is the message the dnc gave. can they fight back and restore or is south carolina going to say in front? i am friends with the south carolina congressman who helps joe biden win that big turnaround win in 2020. south carolina was not pushing for the change. new hampshire is hungry for it. south carolina meh. if new hampshire democrats confront this argument being made by the aoc side of the democratic coalition that these voters are not trustworthy, if they will step up and push back,
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i think it can come back. this is my opinion now. i think it was a mistake for new hampshire democrats to let the dnc treat their voters this way. that democrats would not push back and defend the primary. they lost it once and could forever. host: mike on our independent line. caller: interesting guest to have on, i guess a right-wing pundit. he brought up a good point on the 2016 election when biden was in fifth. there was a coalition against bernie sanders by the dnc. even barack obama would not talk to all the candidates, getting them to drop out and put their backing behind biden. it would be interesting to see
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if bernie sanders would have won, if biden would have lost. if this genocide in israel would have gone on as long. even after months of videos of innocent men, women, and children think slaughtered by our bullets. he is going to lose. i do not know why blue maga is trying to have another showoff with red maga. i am not going to vote. if i do vote it will probably be for cornell west. guest: i will taken element of his question, but israel ukraine, and other foreign policy issues, how much interest to your readers and new hampshire voters in general? host: he said he would vote
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cornell west and not robert f. kennedy, jr., who polls around 10%. there is definitely interest from republicans and democrats in rfk junior. i attended an event with scott brown. he hosted his no nbbs -- no bs barbecues. foreign policy is part of the conversation. definitely republicans who are most passionate about their opposition to nikki haley, that is on the short list ukraine getting involved in foreign wars. when you read the comments current one of the most common was about nikki haley and foreign aid so the populist group of voters, who voted for pat buchanan and gave him 40% of the vote and shook up that race,
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those voters are now 30 years older and with donald trump. at the same time, their support for israel among the greater population of new hampshire. an israeli company has a facility in new hampshire and were recently hit by vandals breaking windows and all that stuff. there was an immediate bipartisan reaction at the state level from legislators. it was not a partisan thing. it was this is wrong. these people work here. israel is our friend even if we do not agree with everything they do. so if you're running in new hampshire as the anti-israel candidate, you are going to limit your appeal on both sides of the aisle. host: this is from san antonio, texas.
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caller: i want to know what affect you think polling has on voters. we had hillary clinton. people who listens to the polls believed -- right? guest: that is a great question and it is a dilemma because you could argue that polling is shaping the electorate rather than the other way around. people hear the polls. if you have lower-than-expected turnout in new hampshire on tuesday night, as i am thinking, in part it will be because of the series of daily tracking polls that show his lead growing. trump was at 45%. they called it the goal post. for 2023, he was at the goalpost and no one could get close. that has shifted closer to 55%.
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will that impact what voters decide to do? some voters will vote no matter what but a lot people are pragmatic. i could be going to have dinner work standing in line for 30 minutes. polls can have an impact. at the same time, voters also want to know, am i part of something bigger or alone out here? when trump first appeared, you could say -- imagine trump with no polling. would people still back him? once polls start showing he could win, then he took off, not because polls changed opinions but the cave -- because he gave them a permission structure. this is not a wild chance. there are other people who agree . that affects people. i think polling is a two edged sword and inevitable. there is no way around it.
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host: grace in massachusetts, democrat line. caller: governor sununu has been joined at the hip with nikki haley and obviously has national aspirations. do you think this will help or hinder him? guest: if she outperforms, it helps him. if she underperforms, it is a setback. reviews are that he is really good at campaigning. the crowd likes him. he has done 100 interviews so far on behalf of nikki haley, so he is good at being chris sununu. he had a chance to run for u.s. senate. republicans begged him to run. he probably would have beaten the incumbent democrat. he chose not to run.
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he thought about running for president. what i would say is, 12028 rolls around, there will be people asking what has he been up to? his term ends this year. he is not running for reelection. he will be a guy looking for a job. we will see what that job is. i would not be surprised if it involves television or corporate. he has kids approaching college age. he has to pay those bills. he is an experienced businessman and chose public service, so we shall see. i would not be surprised if conversations in 2028 involved chris sununu. host: independent line, sarah. >> i believe in the second and
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met and women's rights over their own bodies. i encourage all independents to vote against donald trump and joe biden. neither of these guys should be in the race. joe biden is too old and has pledged allegiance to a foreign government. donald trump has tried overthrew our country and is a known narcissistic psychopath. as far as the israeli thing goes, i support israel as a country, but i do not support israel's genocide against the palestinian people. so for joe biden to pledge allegiance to a foreign government should have outed him from this race. most christians and muslims, if they are real christians, jews and muslims, believe in the 10 commandments. treat people the way you want to be treated.
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innocent women and children have been murdered, but my government is still supporting him. and said the other day there is more work to be done. more hospitals to be bombed? host: we will have our guest respond. guest: i'm curious who she is going to vote for. it comes back to the cornell west question. without a doubt you have foreign policy fights going on. progressives some in new hampshire who are upset about biden's policy toward israel and then the america first isolationist republicans who are looking at donald trump and ron desantis and they are unhappy although they tend to be more supportive of israel than of ukraine. then it is the ukraine fight. this has been part of american politics forever.
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there has always been a fight about our rightful place in the world. after world war two, it changed because we were the only superpower and we had to be involved and then you had the rising threat of the soviet union. at that point the math made sense to a lot of americans and reagan put together his coalition of voters. they liked lower taxes and strong defense, america spreading democracy around the world. what your caller is saying is something being hurt a lot across politics in new hampshire. host: what are you watching for tonight and communicating tomorrow? guest: tomorrow night. this is monday right? host: of course. guest: for all i know, it is 2027. the magic number is 50%.
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if donald trump breaks 50%, does it matter if nikki haley is at 38 or 38? i do not know that it does. that gives them such a strong argument to make. the other thing i'm looking at is joe biden's results with the right in effort. this would be unusual based on the data we have, but there is a possibility that tuesday night donald trump in a contested primary will get 60% of the vote or more and joe biden become the president with not a real contested primary could get less than 60%. imagine what it is going to look like if donald trump gets a larger share of the vote in his primary then joe biden. we have already gotten our headline written if it happens. trump beats biden in new hampshire. so those are the two things we are watching. host: how can people find your
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