♪ host: good morning. it is tuesday, february 27. president biden and former president trump will be visiting

the southern border on thursday. president biden will meet with border patrol agents, local officials in brownsville, texas. former president trump will be 300 miles away in eagle pass, texas, making a speech of their -- speech there. this morning, we are getting your thoughts on their visit and border and immigration policy. our phone lines are (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8000 four democrats. an independents, -- and independents, (202) 748-8002. we have a line set aside for border state residents. call us at (202) 748-8003. you can also use that same line to text us. send your first name and city and state when you do. we are on social media, facebook.com/c-span and on x @cspanwj. welcome to "washington journal." we will start with some polls that just came out on this issue.

how serious -- the first one asks, how serious an issue is illegal immigration in the u.s.? 84% said very serious or somewhat serious. 15% said not to serious or not serious at all. the second question is your view of a border wall between the u.s. and mexico. those in favor were 53%, and those opposed to a border wall were 46%. there was also other questions. 61say immigrants seeking political asylum at the border should be made to stay in mexico whe their claims are processed. 35% say they should be allowed in the u.s. while they wait. and about olent crime, 32% think illegal immigrants are more likely than other americans to commit violent crimes like ra o murder. 24% say illegal immigrants are le likely to commit such crimes. 39% say they are just as likely.

about jobs, 28% of the public feels that illegal immigrants take jobs away from american citizens. 62% say illegal immigrants fill jobs that americans do not want. we are taking your calls this morning on that topic, those kinds of questions, if you would like to weigh in on that, you can. let's take a look at what president biden said about the border. here he is. [video clip] >> the bipartisan agreement presents the most humane reforms in a long time. it also poses the toughest way to secure the border in history. the border patrol chief himself said they need more people. we need more agents on the line. our bipartisan bill got the border patrol agents they need. they hired 1500 more agents and officers. 100 immigration judges.

4300 more asylum officers. we get asylum decisions in months instead of years. right now they get a recent and get put in the country and say come back in seven years. come back in seven years when we are able to hear your case. it provides more inspection to detect and stop fentanyl from coming across the border. it funds to help shelter migrants. as a win for the future of the american people, but that as we all know, politics intervene. we choose to vote on the bill. again, significant support. every republican i have talked to, republican colleagues, the votes are on the floor to pass that bill. all of a sudden, people start to go silent.

they are in a tough spot. tell that to the border patrol. they support this bill. tell that to the national chamber of commerce. tell that to the wall street journal that supports this. there are governors in this room support it. strong minorities oppose it but a significant majority of the house and senate support it. folks, doing nothing is not an option. host: that was president biden on friday talking to a group of governors at the white house. let's hear from former president trump. this is from his victory speech after the south carolina primary talking about the border. [video clip] >> you look outside and you see all of the horror. you see millions and millions of people coming across the border illegally. we don't know where they come from. they come from jails, prisons, all sorts of places that we don't want to know.

they come from mental institutions and insane asylums, and we don't want that in our country. we are not going to stand for it. we are not going to stand for it. you have terrorists coming in, people coming in. we just can't do this. no country could sustain what is happening to the united states of america. no country. so we are going to straighten things out. the border is the worst it has ever been. 2016, we won, and we had a bad border. i talked about the border, talked about it a lot and said we will fix it. we fixed it very quickly, and in 2020 we could not talk about it although we got millions of more votes the second time. host: we are taking your call on the border. we will start with charles in san diego, california, border state. go ahead, charles. caller: yes, good morning. thank you so much for taking my call, and i cannot tell you how much i enjoy this program just hearing different ideas.

i am a democrat in san diego, and i really feel that what joe biden needs to do at this point in time is to flip the script. if i was in joe biden's camp, when i go to the border, i would say, my esteemed colleague, mr. trump, started a wall. we need to finish it. as up-to-date we need to close -- as of today, we need to close the border, because trump is using this as a wedge issue. he is very divisive. it is very dangerous to our democracy. thanks again for taking my call. host: what are you seeing in san diego? how are things there with migrants? caller: i see really very little of it. i live near the beach. i guess the biggest thing is every once in a while a boat will wash up on the beach. human smuggling going on. people are running for freedom. but as far as my day-to-day, i

see very little. there is a huge labor shortage. we need more workers. i think in a sense, we need more immigrants. but this is such a wedge issue. i think biden really needs to flip the script of mr. trump with regards to the wall. host: we hope mills in north carolina, north carolina. caller: good morning, how are you? my position on the border is joe biden actually is not in a position to even make the speech he just made. one of the very first -- host: willie? caller: yes, one of the very first things he did in office was undid title 42. the moment he did that, the gates were open. now he turns around and says i will fix the border. you broke it.

the other thing as it pertains to the border, i am here in north carolina. i have been here three years. i see as many migrants in north carolina, the heart of the country, as i see in los angeles today. that is just unusual. it is almost frightening. the final thing i would like to say is pertaining to biden and him losing support among minority communities. every black person in america needs to examine both kamala harris and joe's record as it pertains -- and joe biden's record as it pertains to incarceration, prison, and how many -- just how disproportionate the crime reform bill, the three strikes law in california, how disproportionately they affected black men in america. host: got it, willie. let's not get off the subject.

otis in orange park, florida, democrat. good morning. caller: yes. host: yes, otis. go ahead. caller: ok. first of all, everybody calling in, i can say that 80%, it does not affect us. we are not on the border. we are not there. we see so much on tv as if it is a crisis. this affect arizona, california, and a couple other states. in north carolina and georgia, ok, so what? we need migrants. let them come here. they are not affecting us. we have americans that break the laws. we have farmers that break the laws, so what? host: otis, what do you think about what is going on in new york city, in chicago, other cities around the country? caller: let's put it in context.

the governor from texas sending to new york city and chicago, that is where new york city and chicago mostly have a problem, trying to house the people. put more judges to adjudicate their cases quickly. now, we complain about them coming over here. you are talking about millions. you know the number that is coming in. know if you put people in place, adjudicate the cases, you send them back. it is just plain wrong. it is just biased for no reason. for one thing, the guy before me, black people need to check kamala harris and joe biden. let me just say this. joe biden helped pass a law in

the federal government. you have two types of government, state and federal. most people that are incarcerated are at the state level. joe biden had nothing to do with that. host: got it, otis. we are talking but the border. mel in new york, independent line. caller: yes, this issue on the border is on joe biden's shoulders. he reversed the policies of the previous administration, and what we see is a result of what happened in georgia with riley being killed by a catch and release venezuelan committing criminal acts in new york, which is a sanctuary city, going down to georgia, and she is now the victim. this is indicative of the kind of policy that the left is implementing. and thankfully, we do have a

candidate who is serious about securing our border. and i appreciate what we hear from him as this is an issue that is of top priority to us americans who care about our way of life and what order and stability -- and want border instability restored. it seems like the poor in new york and chicago are having to shoulder what is being done by the elitists in washington like joe biden. host: all right, mel. we will pause our conversation about the border to speak to a reporter because there is a government funding deadline happening on friday. so we are joined now by the guest, a reporter focusing on budget and appropriations. welcome. guest: thanks for having me. host: remind viewers about what

happens on friday. arch one is a deadline and then next -- march 1 is a deadline and then next friday, march 8 is a deadline. guest: coming up on friday at midnight, appropriation bills will lapse. you do not see any kind of major impact until monday morning when federal workers have to go to work. but it affects agriculture, military construction, transportation. the bills are running out this friday so lawmakers are trying to figure out a way to avoid a partial government shutdown. host: there is a meeting at the white house today with the four congressional leaders. what are the expectations from that meeting? guest: it is kind of hard to predict how the meetings will go but this one seems to be a little more focused on ukraine and the big supplemental security package in the white

house. sorry, the one that the senate passed before we left for the most recent recessed. but of course, with the big federal spending deadline like we have coming up around the corner, we will also be talking about how to avoid a shutdown. right now, the main issue is house republicans are consisting on policy wins in the spending bills while democrats and even we side with mitch mcconnell yesterday saying they need to drop the poison pill rid ers the bill -- from the bill to move forward. we are all waiting to see how house republicans will proceed on the riders question. host: can you spell out some of those for us? what are some of those conservative policies that some house republicans are looking for? guest: there is a wide range.

i will focus on one bill, which is the military construction v.a. bill. typically not a very controversial bill, paying for veterans health care and military construction, priorities of both parties. but in the house version of the bill, they had a couple provisions related to guns and abortion that republicans are pushing to keep in the bill. one example on the gun fund is there is a law that requires -- there is a new policy which would have them kind of other the national background check system if a veteran was seeking help on their finances. and republicans are trying to not let that happen so that is an example of one of the riders up for grabs. host: what has speaker johnson said? is he willing to work with the

government open? guest: yeah. we have seen already twice speaker johnson put a resolution on the floor of the house to keep the government open. i think there is little -- i don't think anyone -- there is not a large portion among any of the leaders, but if it was going to happen, this deadline would be the most likely one we have seen yet because there is not a lot of time left, it is already tuesday. and we are really up against the deadline. that said, i think the goal will be to keep the government open. but we are really running out of time here. host: so what has, on the senate side, chuck schumer said about this? guest: there is kind of an exchanging back-and-forth on sunday night. schumer has been saying that the house republicans need to figure

themselves out. and johnson has been basically saying that schumer and the democrats need to make some concessions. republicans have control of the house and they need to get some of what they want if they are going to join with democrats to provide the votes to pass these big spending bills. host: under a provision of the debt ceiling that president biden negotiated with house republicans last year, there is an automatic 1% cut across the board for all agencies. explain how that would work and how likely that scenario is. guest: yeah, so at the end of april, we would see this significant cut to both defense and nondefense spending. if the appropriations are not enacted by then so that is a hard deadline for democrats definitely and a lot of republicans who are in favor of defense spending.

they want to avoid that happening at the end of april. that is kind of the most significant deadline i think. it is a new kind of -- it is a new factor we have not seen in previous years when there has not been such a strong deadline. you know, at the end of april with the sequester hanging over the heads of everyone. i think both parties will want to try to avoid that if you look at some of the house freedom caucus and the house, they are looking at that and saying, why can't we do that? they want to cut spending and that is a way for them to do it. will jobs -- bill johnson decide to pipit and -- will johnson decide to p -- will johnson decide to pivot and

decide to go in that direction? as we are seeing now, we are kind of hitting a rocky patch before we wrap up fully. host: all right, aidan quigley, reporter on budget and appropriations. his work is at rollcall.com. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you for having me. host: we will go back to your calls on the border starting with roy in wake forest, north carolina, republican. good morning. caller: morning, c-span. since we are talking about the border, i think it would be very appropriate and very eye-opening for democrats that only get democrat news for you to show the several videos. there is probably three apiece on joe biden saying that when he is elected president for people to immediately search the border -- surge the border, and he was

not talking about our border patrols to surge the border and stop people from coming over. he was for anybody in the world to come to our border and surge over. you should play the video. you have the video. just like when republicans call in and say stuff, you are like, we have this article here that disproves what you are saying. why don't you show democrats and republicans were joe biden when he was running said about immediately surging the border and about shutting down fossil fuels? those are our two biggest issues in america right now. and by the way, alex jones was right. info wars.com. host: dave is in san diego, border state. hi, dave. caller: good morning. yeah, i just wanted to respond to charles since i am from san diego.

he said flip the script. that is bizarre. using it for political gain. there is a problem but they want to use it to get the party to win. our country needs to with. -- to win. go to the border. i go there all the time. people scale over, under, around the wall. in san diego, we just exhausted all of our funding for legal asylum-seekers in the processing centers and now they are dumping -- border patrol is dumping off asylum-seekers at bus stations. it is a mess. just be honest with yourself. get sources in the news. we have a problem in our country. we need workers, yes. but there is a legal way we have to do this. host: when you say they are going around and under the

wall, are you in favor of a border wall and to complete the border wall? caller: absolutely. i talk to the border agents. it is a funnel. it helps them. it follows the asylum-seekers to them and makes their job easier. of course, we don't want a wall with razor wire and all of that, but we have to fix the problem. we are either going to have open borders or not. or something in between. that is what we have now. so just please be honest with yourself, democrats, and charles especially in san diego. you know better. listen to the news, not just one side of the news. host: all right. rob in new york, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning.

thank you for taking my call. i have a comment on this. last year, september 25, a person of venezuela that the president of venezuela announced he had -- the president of venezuela announced he had control. he just recently announced that he is no longer going to take back any people that came over here, into new york or wherever -- that came into new york or wherever. that is all i want to say. host: here is the article that the previous caller mentioned about the tragic killing. this is fox news. ice confirms georgia student murder suspect entered u.s. illegally, was previously arrested in new york city, was arrested by nypd in september of

2023 for child endangerment but released before detainer issued. ivan is also in san diego. good morning, ivan. caller: good morning. speaking about the first caller, i don't know how little she claims activity -- i have been in san diego for 50 years. i have a home basically 20 minutes from the border. we are busing them in ridiculously. i don't know what beach she was added but imperial beach is packed. they are putting them on the coronado. they are giving them $2200 a month on debit cards. they are bringing them to the

border. and the ones who are walking the wall, they walk that wall all the way to the beach and come around the wall that comes to the sand of the beach. one lady had her baby on the other site of that wall. the minute she came around that wall, she went into labor and had her baby. everything has gone bad in san diego. downtown is atrocious. they had a hepatitis outbreak from all of the rats and garbage. they are sleeping in the airport. they closed down the mall. i don't know how anybody with common sense or eyes cannot say there is a problem at the border. in joe biden's feeble attempt to go to the border now is -- they have done nothing to help. they are coming into the suburbs

by the hundreds. i have been by eastlake for 27 years, and just recently, i am selling. i cannot take it over here. my sister is up the street from me and she wants to move. she cannot retire. it is getting so bad in every suburb of san diego. i want to hear these democrats defend an open border. anybody that cannot vote to continue the border wall is beyond my comprehension. we need the wall. thank you. thwhite house on that borderfrom trip. it says president bi will travel to brownsville, texas, to with u.s. border patrol agent, law enforcement officials, and local leaders. he will discuss the urgent need to pass the senate bipartisan boecury agr, the toughest and faiet of s toecure the border in

decades. wilreiterate his calls for ressional republicans to stop playing politics and to provide the funding needed for additional u.s. border patrol agent, more asylum officers, fentanyl detection technology, and more. and we will get to also the statement put out by the trump mpgn. it says this. the joe biden has had thars to visit the border anded the crisis he created. now, bidens handlers by sending him ere on the same day that president that same day as president trump's publicly reported trip, not b they want to solve the problem but because they know biden losing terribly. bidet-minute insincere tempt to the border is not going to cut it. americans know biden is responsible for the worst immigration crisis in history and the ensuing biden migrant crime crisis affecting every community in our country.

that is from the trump press secretary for the trump campaign. and we will hear from jeff in north carolina, republican. hi. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: i don't like the other people interrupting and hanging up on republicans. i appreciate you. anybody that opens up the southern border and allows division in this country is a traitor. joe biden is a traitor. he is a traitor for taking things from our enemies. look how many people have died, how many american citizens have died and our soldiers since biden was in office. i lost my daughter from fentanyl, fentanyl poison. we lost 100,000 people from fentanyl. look at georgia. a piece of crap illegal venezuelan.

i am so sick and tired of hearing the democrats. my president, donald trump. i was so glad he will be back in office. it is just terrible. it has been chaos and the whole world has been in chaos. we have to get trump back. and i am going to love to see all of these -- caller: how are you doing today? you have to remember we had a border deal between two parties and the other party let donald trump how they should do it and when you start pointing fingers, we need to stop blaming one another and listen to the real deal. when he was in office what did he do?

nothing. they are playing this game which is not fair. if you look at it, in order to understand it they need these people because they need them in jobs we don't take what we don't want to accept that. i listen to this and it's all garbage. when people sit down and look at it, they have a bipartisan deal and they slammed it. they said to wait on trump to get into the office? you don't want a bipartisan deal. host: they say president biden had the authority to fix them

order without the deal, why hasn't he done it? caller: how can you fix the border? they can't fix the border and people come together, but parties. all of this is a blame game. host: are you voting in the michigan primary? caller: yes, i am. and i am not voting for trump. all of the world they are looking at us. if this were obama doing all of this stuff what would people think? host: on the hill.com and scott

perry said the house gop should cancel biden state of the union address. he is the former house freedom caucus chair. he is calling mike johnson from stopping biotin speech next month. [video clip] senator chuck schumer said house republicans need their time to sort themselves out to block extremists to do the right thing. i think he is talking about you when he calls out extremist. are you going to agree to another continuing resolution? >> thus the normal contempt from the left and joe biden, we would like to see our southern border secured.

the letter they sent over mentions ukraine 12 times. we could see what the priority is and it is not america. let's get real about this and talk about what is flaking america. the wide open border and the cost-of-living. that is what we should be discussing and if that is extreme that's where most americans are. >> president biden believes the state of the you and address is going to be a reset for him. you talk about the open border which the republicans have failed to secure. now you're talking about prohibiting biden from visiting congress?

what kind of leverage will you have to get the border secured? a student is dead because some migrant who came from venezuela through the open border in el paso, texas. >> we have foreign nationals pouring in and deaths rising across america we need to use every point of leverage including's pending and that address to the people from congress. he comes at the invitation of congress and there is no reason we should invite him to get more propaganda and blame the american people for the crisis because. on day one, he counter failed the last administrations efforts

on the border. host: iris is next from alabama. caller: i think you do a great job. i would like to see open for a multi-thong. if i remember correctly, it was donald trump was the first time i ever heard about a caravan. it was a deal i feel that he made with the mexican president. we throw at ukraine, at the border and now we need to throw it at the border for the united states. we need to stop this. take care of the cartel there are as bad as hamas.

i think people need to stay at home. let's take some of this money and protect their own borders and what is happening here. he could easily write that into their proposal and i don't know why anyone would not agree to that. host: let's hear from diane in georgia. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have experience with hispanics in dalton. i had to give up my home to move and get away from them. i would not let them mow my yard. host: when you said they

threatened you can you explain that? caller: i called 17 times in the law would not do anything about it. every time i come out my door, when are you going to move?

just like they kill that young

girl. and that is on biden's hands too. and people are tired of it.

have 4, 5 kids. the children are hanging off of them. it is a mess. they don't know where to put them. the place where new yorkers can go, real new yorkers, they can't go anywhere. they are flying in from

different states. this is all being done by ngos doing this on purpose. host: you and another caller mentioned the mayorkas impeachment. a lack of clear rules is frustrating house managers. we might fall on her face. the house managers serve as prosecutors and argued the impeachment case before the senate but they have been given no clear guidance the role they can play or win the house will transmit the articles to the senate. tom is calling from holland, michigan. caller: thank you for taking my

call. the guy prior to me hit the nail on the head. it is by design. it is the deep state that is controlling biden/harris. biden is just the figure for what the deep state wants to control this country. watching another news program the other night, they had a couple of journalist from the guardian and they said the threat to democracy in the united states are rural, white voters and i thought i am that person and i look at what is happening in this country and it is being destroyed.

i'm 68 years old i worked my guts out to help this country and in less than one administration everything we worked for is being torn apart and dissolved and i don't understand what the target is other than to destroy the country. i think they want slave labor. he says he sides with unions but he really wants to destroy the economic system so that it become socialist and the government will have to control everything. host: we talked about jobs and the question was, do migrants take jobs away from americans where are they doing the jobs americans don't want to do?

where do you land on that? caller: here's my take, covid destroyed everything and that was their gateway. when covid had they shut down our economy and started handing out money. it's like a gateway drug. you get money for not doing anything and there are some people who were making more money on covid than working and then people started complaining and we have so many bankruptcies. it doesn't make a difference how much money some people make is

all about what you do with it when you get it. host: diane in ohio, a democrat. caller: first of all, people talking about fentanyl and drugs , those drugs are coming in on trucks and on cars from white americans. you blame the right people. the employers who hire people who are not u.s. citizens, that is on them. that's not on biden. it's the people who own the businesses and thank god for biden and harris.

they are trying to get the united states together and because of these people coming in, the migrants. our incomes are better in living standards or butter. are better. host: how would you rate biden on the border? caller: i think he is trying his best considering that congress is not giving him the money. he can't do anything without money. why do they have to wait seven years to be condemned? host: what about the idea of them having to stay in mexico? caller: the only problem with

that, they are helping our economy. why can't we get enough judges to get into this country illegally so they can work? you're cutting up your nose to spite your face. we need them here. host: let's talk to rob it in being to him, new york. caller: i saw christopher wray at the house meetings and he said that al qaeda was in all 50 states. the recent one i saw he said the drug cartels are in all 50 states and red lights are going

up all over. this happened under joe biden. he opened the borders after he said he wanted people to storm the border. elections have consequences. we all know it was stolen but this is what we get. it's time for people to wake up. host: colleen in california on the border. caller: good morning mimi. i think our country needs to become united and we need to stop this on the republican, i am a democrat. we have the greatest country in the world and for us to be able to say we can't control our border and the influx of migrants. i can't believe that. we have one of the greatest military and to allow these

politicians to run road until this they can't control it. it's a bunch of garbage. host: what do you think needs to happen at the border? caller: i am not a trump supporter, i am a republican. the state in mexico seemed to like it worked during trump's tenure and i think we need to get a grip on this. for people to say the influx of migrants, we do need good people to help with work. but it has to be orderly, it has to be where people are feted and there is a way we can do this. there are so many great minds in this country that it can be figured out. i would love to see a

spreadsheet. they say they pay taxes that benefit us but i would like to see a spreadsheet for how many they are contributing. the hospitals, schools, everything is being depleted. i am 30 miles away from san diego. host: let's talk to mike in long island, new york. caller: the deep state idiots and the maga people. donald trump of the republicans could have fixed this in the two years where they had the house and the senate. they could have built a hundred feet high.

they spent two years trying to overturn obamacare. they don't fix it because of financial arm of the republican party wants labor, meant to come in here and keep down wages. this is the only issue that they have in they will not fix it because they won't have any more issues except stopping abortions of all the other stuff. and drugs come in and trunks and ships from china, they don't come over the border. i would love to see them fix immigration but it has to be a law. trump stopped it because of covid which is why it was stopped.

the republicans could have done it but they did not do it. they could have passed a law when he first came in to do whatever they want. put as many troops as they wanted to. they could've done anything. there was a young girl killed in iowa while jogging when trump was in there and it was an arranged worker who came over here. there is loads of happening. host: what do you mean arranged worker? caller: a contract worker. the people on the other side of the break her, they need workers and they arrange for it. it's legal. they come over and it is

planned. the sky killed the girl jogging and iowa and they quickly forgot about that point. i wish they would fix the border. it's the only thing joe biden has not done yet and hopefully they can do it soon. host: let's take a look at the washington examiner. the gop needs speaker johnson to be better and he spoke to cnn and posted part of that interview on his account. [video clip] >> we need to get into the mode of getting things done. >> what about the shutdown? >> we can avoid it but we need to get on with the deal rather than did their.

-- dither. we need to the speaker to be better. >> wasn't a good idea to kill the bipartisan bill? >> i think bipartisanship is good wherever you can get it. host: phil, an independent in florida. caller: the people who crossover illegally, they are illegal immigrants by definition of the word. we don't need new laws, we have existing laws that a person who comes over our border illegally

they are supposed to be apprehended and sent back to where they came from. host: the current law states that anyone who gets to the u.s. can claim asylum. caller: not 20 million people. we have laws and people are just being sent into all of these cities and buses and planes. here's my understanding. we have existing laws and they are not being performed. if another american breaks any kind of law they are arrested and they go through to process. we have immigration laws that are being broken and the officer who was supposed to apprehend them does not do his job he is held accountable and further up

the line if other people in law enforcement are not doing their jobs, they are accountable to somebody. it seems like it's going all the way up the line. these people are coming in illegally so i think they need to be referred to as illegal immigrants. the power of language is amazing in a big part of this problem is the media and how it has classified the folks that come into our country illegally as migrants. host: i get your point but where running short on time. i want to get in leah. caller: i would like to send my sympathy to the family of the

young woman beaten to death in georgia. our own people are killing each other. my biggest concern is with public schools. we have over 300 kids in our state who are homeless in our schools are having to provide meals in the summers for children with the parents can't feed them. we have a housing crisis and people are on waiting list for apartments and i feel like the system is getting ready to bust and when it does we will see pure chaos. host: that was the last call for this segment. thank you to everyone who called in. we will talk to miles yu and

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welcome to the program. the new york times is reporting a growing number of chinese migrants crossing the southern border. the estimate is 24,000 chinese citizens apprehended crossing from mexico, what is the cause of this influx? guest: china's economy is in big trouble. unemployment is anywhere between 25-40%. a lot of people feel repressed so the number of people fleeing

china has increased dramatically. in 2013, people applying for asylum was 24,000 and 10 years later that number quadrupled to 100,000. the united states is the most generous country accepting immigrants and our border is porous. that creates a lot of opportunities for people supported. this is an opportunity for them to exploit this open

border. it's a combination of many factors and central american countries provide a mechanism by which chinese nationals can land in ecuador and then they make the long journey to the united states. host: there are a few things he said i want to follow up on. my understanding is that there are tiktok videos about how you can get here. guest: where there is demand there's an enterprise to support

the demand. in quito, ecuador they will lend their a lot of chinese locals provide facilities to make the journey. you have to lay in their and get out at ecuador and cross through columbia and panama, costa ric o, honduras and then mexico. this is a well organized enterprise. this surge is continuing. host: you said the chinese

government would exploit the situation to infiltrate the united states. guest: we have a lot of immigration flaws. some of our policies are amazingly bad. if you are a chinese national you hold a chinese passport but you qualify to become a citizen through marriage in the u.s. government will issue you a passport and we have a lot of chinese nationals with an american passport. that's one of the legal ways they can exploit this apparatus.

this is more lucrative for the chinese because if you cross the border illegally. it's much harder to track them which is why it's a good opportunity for the chinese. host: if you would like to join a conversation with miles yu, you can do so are vines or by party for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002. his friend said that the majority of chinese are young

men of military age. guest: they are young, of military age and many of them do not have economic prospects in china. not all of them are chinese agents but some of them are acting on behalf of the government. we have some cases where people will be given a court date and then they act on behalf of the chinese government. there is a lot of technology to spread anti-american rhetoric broadcasting to china saying how bad america is. this is one of the reasons why

there are a lot of issues. not all of them are chinese agents but as a sovereign nation are fundamental fabric must be preserved and this is one of the reasons why the border issue is not just an economic issue it's also a national security issue. host: it was recently revealed that there was a leak that showed beijing's military was attempting large-scale cyber intrusions. can you explain what we learn from those documents and what beijing's purposes? guest: these documents were released on tiktok and it shows something very telling. the scale is massive.

this is one company out of china . it's a small company that has 100 clients and most of them are chinese security and intelligence companies. they hacked a massive amount of data from a dozen countries all over the world. we should learn from this case there is no such thing as a chinese private company. in china they have three basic laws, and national security:, intelligence law and counterintelligence law. it puts every chinese company at risk because you have to

comply with the demands of the government including intelligence organizations. that's why this company is acting on behalf of of the chinese state and this is the reason why. every chinese company, you run the risk of being forced into compliance with the chinese intelligence program. people try to find a third way they want to engage with china economically and get rid of the risk but you should know that the risk itself is a risk because engaging with china economically you pose a risk to your own national security. the chinese government has been peddling this narrative that is about china versus the united

states. the fact is, it's not a matter of china versus the u.s. it's china versus the rest of the world because they hacked every country. this is why we should act together to deal with this. host: why is the chinese government doing this? is it targeting businesses, individuals? guest: individuals, entities, public and private companies. you have to understand three basic facts about china. it is a nonmarket economy. it is a communist country

control by a marxist, leninist government. china does have a global ambition to create an economic dependence on china. to do that you must have big data. they hacked everyone to control information about a huge swath of the population. your biometrics, financial records and social media activities. this perimeter of the chinese hacking mission, they are technologically capable and

dangerous to world peace. host: i want to show you a quote portion of what christopher wray said at the munich security council about the dangers posed by chinese hackers. [video clip] >> the cyber threat is massive hacking program is larger than any other nation combined. that size advantage is only magnified because they use ai built by stolen data to improve its hacking operations including to steal even more ai tech and data. but the cyber threat is made more marketable by the chinese government with traditional espionage and economic espionage, election interference

and transnational repression. the ccp is throwing the government at undermining the security of the rule of law. guest: he is absolutely right and i agree with him 100% and he talks about the severity, the scale and the grave consequences of not dealing with this threat. when something catastrophic happens in the future for christopher wray to say i told you so. host: are the chinese ahead with ai technology? guest: china has the mentality that they believe traditional forms of competition is not

important. they discovered the new information revolution, new domains, those areas are new frontiers that nobody had claimed dominance. it's the wild west. that is why they've invested in and enormously in this area. in addition to traditional capabilities and traditional platforms we have to invest heavily into new areas and i think congress is taking notice

in the white house has been very active in this but we have to do something more systemic and strategic. host: mike is our first, an independent in detroit. caller: good morning. our industry provided the technology that made it possible for china to create the first high-tech police state in the world in so many people are compromised in this administration from china. do they want to create social credit in this country? guest: the differences, even though there is a clear definition between what is government and private enterprise the u.s. government cannot tell microsoft what to do are not to do it they could make suggestions. because of that there is

technological advancement that would allow companies, even government, to create -- congress and ngos and the whole bunch of independent groups are opposing this. i think technology is important. it can benefit humanity tremendously but it can also do a lot of harm. host: we have margaret from new york, and democrat. caller: i want to know why this is all going on. host: what is your question, why

is this happening? caller: why is this all going on? what is wrong with everybody? guest: i think this implies that there some kind of policy indolence. when you see a crisis like this, you have to be very proactive. you cannot be confrontation of verse. -- adverse. before the civil war we had a president james buchanan, he froze and he did not know what to do and that's the problem.

you have to confront problem set on. which is why president buchanan was the worst president in u.s. history. host: let's talk to lee in new york. caller: i have been told that china has bought thousands of acres of land and a lot of it near american bases. who is selling this land? is that the federal government, the state, the city? guest: that's a good question and not points to the point i made earlier, china can buy huge

chunks of land from private owners and that's ok but you can't do the same in china. that is why the u.s./chinese competition, economics, military and technology but we rarely talk about the ideological and systematic ways. the system still totally differently. ly. china is just another member of the free trading system. host: should there be a policy against foreign nationals from buying large swaths of farmland near bases? guest: there are legal ways to do so.

there is a committee on foreign investment. so you are buying certain properties legally and i have no relationship with foreign actors. you can't buy for no purpose in the issue, we have to deal with this from the point of view from national security. if we treat china as just another member of the free market system, we will be in trouble. everyone talks about the harm of tiktok. they tried to issue a band but it was overturned by california very soon after issuing that order. our system does not take into

account the national security factor the way it should be because from a national security point of view we have to rely on that and were not doing that. congress should react more quickly. host: calling from the independent line in colorado. caller: i'm affiliated with the libertarian party. something i want to know is how can we assure the protection of chinese nationals who are naturalized citizens and those who are american-born chinese. those who are of chinese descent

but are native born u.s. citizens? host: when you say vetting, was the actual question? guest: let me answer this way. i think america is generous to all immigrants. we are a country of immigrants. the united states has accepted an overwhelming majority of chinese victims. in 2023, we accepted 100,000 chinese political asylum applications. you talk about border crossings,

about 24,000. that number going through the border crossing. there is a legal way to do that. there is no such thing as asian hate. there are more than 310,000 chinese scholars that accounts for 40% of the international body. you cannot say that america has discrimination against chinese nationals. do you know how many americans are studying in china? under 500.

china is fundamentally unwelcome to americans. through all of the draconian regulations americans are not welcome and that is why no one wants to go to china anymore. chinese and the u.s. of fundamentally different political systems. host: let's talk to sean in new york, a democrat. caller: what i wanted to bring up was this, republicans are shunning down any chance

[indiscernible] guest: why do we make china the enemy? was that the question? we did not make china the enemy we had a 50 year engagement with china. we tried to engage them on equal terms. we opened up our market, our capital markets, particularly technology. but they are not reciprocating it with goodwill. china has always seen the united states america exerts inspirational

impact. that is what the chinese government is afraid of. it is the chinese people that the government is afraid of. they are really scared that every chinese aspires to enjoy the same type of economical rights as americans. that is why they tried to shut off americans cultural and educational engagement with china because they are afraid of americans impact. this is one of the reasons why both bipartisan sentiment. we have to combat with china, not just the bipartisan, the bilateral government. we also have to add american interaction with chinese people and we have to really engage with chinese people. they enjoy freedom and basic human rights.

i think that will be part of the solution to this problem. host: the u.s. intelligence agents said that the chinese pose the greatest threat as far as cyber intrusions and hacking. can you compare that to the threat coming from russia? guest: that is a good question. the threat coming from russia is severe but it is not nearly at the scale of the threat that china poses for many reasons. number one, russians economy is dependent on china. china is far more technologically advanced than russia. the cutting age areas of martin where fair -- modern warfare.

unlike all the other sovereign states that pose a threat to the u.s., china is the only country that enjoys the benefit of the free market system. russia and iran are pretty much outside of the international free trading system. china enjoys membership. china has created enormous dependency that everyone in this country has relied on. amazon has 1.5 million sellers. two thirds of them are from china. these are the critical categories, particularly home security surveillance. that is why the china threat is far more severe than the russian

threat. russia is striving for global relevance. china is striving for global dominance and that is a fundamental difference. host: i want to ask you about the war between israel and hamas . where is china in all of this? guest: china has refused steadfastly to condemn hamas. we don't know whether they are directly involved or not. but we do know this. in hamas holdouts, the israeli military personnel is made of chinese men and women. i will say this. the war in ukraine, the chaos

and the crisis in the middle east serves chinese government very well because to them this is a distraction. the attention has shifted away from europe to indo pacific. that is a very important accomplishment of the trump administration that will help them gain bipartisan support. the biden administration, there is a very real difference. this is america's problem. that is why the hamas attack on israel is something that china is partly encouraging because they refused to play a part. china is a very important player in international politics.

there other distractions, in latin america for example. host: miles yu, senior fellow and china center director at the hudson institute. find his writing at hudson.org. thank you for joining us. guest: my pleasure. thank you. host: after the break, will help to -- we will talk to msnbc host joy-ann reid and her book "medgar and myrlie: medgar evers and the love story that awakened america." stay with us. partials >> we are asking voters across the country what issue is most important to you in this election and why. >> the most important issue this political season is immigration. >> economics and the deficit.

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trail friday night at 7:00 eastern time, online at c-span.org or download the podcast, the free mobile app or wherever you get your podcasts. c-span, your unfiltered view of politics. host: we are back with washington journal. we are joined by joy-ann reid. she is the author of "medgar and myrlie: medgar evers and the love story that awakened america." she is also a political analyst for msnbc. thank you. guest: great to be here. host: remind us about medgar evers. guest: medgar evers was the first field secretary for the naacp in mississippi. jordan was doing the same job in georgia. he was doing the same job in mississippi investigating the deaths and lynchings of black

people and registering people to vote. host: you said you feel that medgar evers has been given a short shift in america's history. why do you think that happened? guest: if you think about the job he was doing, he was doing the kind of activism that dr. king was doing in alabama and that john lewis was doing in georgia and he is doing it in mississippi which was the most dangerous place to be black in america. the highest number of lynchings, the most violent version of the clan. and the statewide agency called the sovereignty commission that went into action after brown v. they were under tremendous pressure even from the naacp which did not agree with activism in the streets. they wanted to fight in the courts. the amount of violence that you would face in that state was

unprecedented for any civil rights activist. he should get a greater mention. james baldwin said the great civil rights leaders were medgar , martin and malcolm. host: tell me what prompted you to write this book. guest: these leaders could not have done the work they were doing without the support and help of their spouses. their wives were 1950's housewives. they were the literal secretary. mrs. evers was the literal secretary. she was the person he was bouncing speeches off of. she also had to maintain the household while he is doing the dangerous work he is doing. he is a partner and supporter in his civil rights work and when

he died, that is when malcolm and dr. king died, she is the one who had to write his legacy into the history books and that was the job she had to take on. host: before his murder, she was getting those death threats. guest: absolutely. this was dangerous work not just for these men but for these families. the death threats where we were going to kill your wife, your kids. every time she picked up the phone she did not know it was someone in distress or someone planning to murder her family. host: talk about his service and what happened when he came back. guest: he followed his big brother. he was very close to his older brother charles. charles enlisted. he was on the beaches of normandy on d day.

the red ball express which was a segregated transportation core. he was a world war ii hero. he came home in his uniform and was told to go to the back of the bus. he said no, i just fought for my country. he was dragged off the bus. he says he was a different man after that. he immediately stood for his right to vote. he and his brother tried to register to vote in the state of mississippi in a county where there were zero registered voters among african-americans because of the way that mississippi kept black people away from the ballots. host: we will take your calls. the lines will be regional. the eastern central time zone, it is (202) 748-8000. mountain or specific time zone, (202) 748-8001. you can text us at (202) 748-8003.

we are on social media, facebook and x. host: he was assassinated in 1963 right in front of his house. can you tell us what happened and the aftermath? guest: medgar evers' secretary was constantly writing to the kennedy white house for help for the people being terrorized by the clan and the citizens council. kennedy responds and promises that he will do a civil rights bill. medgar had been among those unmanned -- demanding. brown v board was not being acknowledged in those states. within hours, medgar evers is coming home from a meeting

and is assassinated. his children see him and witnessed him bleeding to death right in front of him. his neighbor came out and fired a shot in the air to scare away the killer. is trauma to theamiland the country but ultimately he is assassinated because of his insistence on fighting for basic human rights -- basic civil rights and dignity for black people. host: you have a chapter in your book called the rules of a civil rights widow. guest: it is actually my favorite chapter in the book because it was my opportunity to talk about what myrlie evers-williams was facing. she is a 30-year-old woman and mother of three who has to figure out how do i respond she is the first national civil rights widow. there have been lots of black women who faced widowhood because their husbands fought for civil rights or registered to vote. she is the first woman who walked out of the door and a

national news crew will staring at her and she had to decide in that moment, how do i look, how will i be viewed by america, what do i say? how is my makeup, how is my hair? will i be seen as the angry black woman if i am as angry as i feel in my heart. if i show that, will i be dismissed as this angry woman? she had to contort herself in a way that would give dignity to her husband's memory, that would give dignity to herself and her family even though inside but she dealt with was absolute rage. she had to repress data and present herself in a way -- see is the first widow to have to do that -- she is the first widow to have to do that before coretta scott king. host: you met her. tell us about that. guest: i interviewed her about half a dozen times before this book. i did this really lengthy

interview at her son's house in california where i got to be with her in person. i was just with her a couple of days ago at her alma mater. she is a state treasure. she is a national treasure and an icon. she is the first person to give the inaugural minute addiction. -- the first black woman to give an inaugural benediction. president barack obama in 2016. she ran for office and congress when shirley chosen was also running for president -- when shirley chisholm was also running for president. i believe she deserved greater flowers. she deserved to get her flowers while we still have her. also, her husband. her legacy deserves to be on the same level as welcome x and dr. king. host: we have a clip of her

speaking from the lincoln memorial on the steps. this is the 50th anniversary of the march on washington back in 2013. [video clip] >> we created a framework but there is still much work left to be done. many of our civil rights leaders including my husband and dr. martin luther king were still of an age where they took the lead. with that question in mind, i challenge you to get back to community building. it is your problem. it is our problem. it is our neighborhood. these are our children. you are the parents. but in that same breath, the victory will be collective. it is with a clear conscious, knowing what we have done and can do, that we will reach that

mountaintop and we will overcome. but it will take each and every one of us in unity, in unison, letting those who say that they manage this country of america know that it is the people, it is the voice and the actions of the people that say we must overcome and will eventually say , we have overcome because of the involvement of each and every one. that is our challenge today. [end video clip] host: that was in 2013. what do you think she would say today? guest: i had a chance to speak with her one week ago. where she is in this moment is that it is a shame that we have to fight the basic fight from

our history, that we still have to say black lives matter and defend the idea that black lives matter in the 21st century. medgar evers was 47 when he died. he died for a cause that we are still fighting for. she believes that is a shame. she has a lot of fight in her and she will not stop until that more perfect union is won. host: let's talk to the callers. renee in florida. good morning. guest: -- caller: good morning. it is such a pleasure. i first saw an interview with you and myrlie before the book and i was really impressed with her. i have not read it yet. it is on my list. i really appreciate the book and i appreciate you and her.

i had my sound turned off but i saw a picture of myrlie and president clinton. what was her involvement with him? guest: thank you so much for that. the interview you are talking about is probably the interview in 2018 which was the first time i interviewed her in person in california which is what inspired me to do the book. it was her talking about medgar evers and how much she was in love with him and the way that she talked about him almost in the present tense. i remember saying to her that he has been dead for almost 50 years. that stayed with me for years. when it came time to think about what i wanted to write about, i wanted to write about the love story because that is really what she gave me. when it comes to president clinton, myrlie evers-williams became the board chair of the naacp. she convened with presidents including president clinton and

she fought for things like more active education, improving education and she was a sounding board for president's, not just president obama but president clinton. it is the era in which she was board chair of the naacp. host: washington, michael. hello. caller: hello. the conversation is very good. what she went through, terrible stuff. the man that was giving the speech on the program early, his wife, she brings up, why cant black america have rights like white america can? the people will only follow the government.

it continues. we still have many miles to go. i can remove or playing football in high school -- i can remember playing football in high school. i graduated and went to work at the steel mill. when i came home, i went back to under a's house -- i went back to andre's house. i asked if he had a job. he said no. i had a job and he did not have a job. guest: i think the issue is we still face discrimination in this country. i was at a talk last night and i talked about american history being like a spiral. that we roll forward and then we roll back. every time we take two steps

forward, we take one step back. it is an unfortunate cycle of history. i grew up in a black neighborhood in denver, colorado in a beautiful suburb. white people did not want us in their schools. i am not that old. my sister was one of the classes of people who tried to be integrated into the white schools in denver, colorado. they were met with spitballs and catcalls and not wanted. they ended up building a school for us which is where i went. we were the first class there. it was a beautiful neighborhood. we had a gorgeous school that looked like a shopping mall. it was beautiful. i remember one of my teachers driving me home. it was an 80% black neighborhood. the rest were a small number of white americans who were the people who did not fly out of that area because they could not afford to. i think a lot of people perceive

black neighborhoods as a rundown and impoverished. that is not where i grew up. i grew up in an overwhelmingly black suburb. i live in one now. i think the perception that white americans have is that all black americans are impoverished, that all black americans are suffering and struggling and that is not true. to the extent that you do have suffering and economic struggle in the black community, some of it is manufactured. he just described going back to his community and a black person that he played football with, they both played football, they had similar upbringings, but he had a job and that young men did not. that is because of discrimination. while a lot of people are uncomfortable talking about the fact that we do have racial discrimination in hiring, we do. it is a fact of life. rather than address that, we have sought conservation -- we

have side conversations. dei is diversity and inclusion. there is nothing wrong with that. no other country has managed to do it. if we do it it will be an incredible accomplishment for america. this country is young. we can still do it. we have to start fighting for the premise of a multidimensional democracy if we want one. guest: i -- caller: i thought your joke was hilarious the other night. i wanted to add to the conversation by saying perception does matter. you had the type of negroes and colored people. why are we still using the synonym black? there are no black people.

really take hold of the narrative. i don't know if people looked up the color black in the dictionary. why would you want to call your children that? it means darkness, void. that is part of discrimination. we are not black people. we are brown. guest: the term black came about because people wanted to empower themselves. negro is a made-up term that was made up by black supremacists for people who came from multiple ethnic groups. africa is the most diverse continent. when africans were taken to america, you are mixing tribes with no genetic relationship other than all being negro. the idea of whiteness and blackness existed in america.

it did not exist before the 16th century. black people in europe were different ethnicities. the idea of whiteness did not exist until this country was founded. when europeans came here and decided to enslaved africans who spoke different languages from each other, they could not communicate with each other let alone communicate with their so-called owners. they designated white and black as a way to delineate african slaves from indentured servants who were europeans. they wanted to enslaved specifically the africans. so they invented these terms white and black in order to distinguish themselves from the africans and distinguish themselves from the indigenous who they called savages. this is literally an invention of slaveowners in the united states. people reclaim to the term black in the 1960's, it was because they wanted to empower themselves. it was a term that felt more

powerful than simply using the term negro which was invented by enslavers. i don't see any problem with black. it can mean power, beauty. it does not have to mean horror. it can in linguistics. but in terms of black culture, it does not mean that. when people say black, they mean that as a powerful term, not a negative term. host: jw in athens, ohio. caller: hello. this is my first time calling which is remarkable given how much time i have invested watching you over the years. i want to thank you for writing the book, very timely. next, i want to say that i am a retired and very proud black and blind professor who retired in

2022. i say that because my first phd students that i advised for dissertation was a dissertation about myrlie evers and her time as a leader of the naacp. i would ask people to check that out. it is fascinating. my question is in your conversations with her because there was a lot of controversy about her leading the naacp coming full circle after her husband. did you ever discuss any of that time when she was in leadership there? guest: thank you for that question and congratulations on your retirement. it is a beautiful thing to have leisure time. i did talk with her about that. that was an important part of her life because she had come full circle. when they were married to one another, she had a lot of ambivalence about the naacp

because she had asked for protection for her husband because of the death threats and they had refused, at one point telling medgar evers that they had better things to do with their money than to protect him. there was a lot of controversy from naacp leadership about the way that he was operating in mississippi. he wanted to be with the young people in the streets. they wanted to protest, they wanted to do citizens, they wanted to de-segregate libraries and lunch counters. she was with him. the leadership did not want that. they wanted to fight in the courts. there was controversy there. when myrlie evers was asked by joe madison was the person who really lobbied the ncaa -- the naacp was in an era of this rate. because she was an evers, they

felt like she was a person could bring all the factions together. she was ambivalent about it, she was reluctant to do it she did it out of a sense of duty because she felt a duty not just to the organization her husband had led, but also to her people and the people of the u.s. she turned that organization around financially. she was their greatest fundraiser and she set the organization on a course to financial stability and also to good moral health. i think she was glad she did. she ultimately did get an apology from the incident -- the naacp from the executive director at the time after her leadership had ended for not providing security. she ultimately did come full circle. host: we have a text from joseph in fayetteville. he says "my familys om greenwood, mississippi.

i remember my mother sang black people were forced to watch lynchings. that he says that medgar evers was a hero and a warrior." guest: he cap expressing his first lynching, a gentleman named mr. tingle, drive-thru -- was kidnapped, drove through the streets, and shot. his clothes were left hung up in this fairgrounds for a year. the clan dared any black person to remove them because they wanted black people to know he had allegedly assessed a white woman and they wouldn't like people to know this is your place and if you displease us, you can be killed. black folks during that era, not only in mississippi but per capita more than any other state have the most lynchings. gloria was number three --

florida was number three. it was a reign of terror. you were afraid of how you spoke to a white person, man, woman, or child. you could be lynched for anything. restrained to vote, joining the naacp, looking at a white person in the wrong way, speaking to them in a way that in like, not get off of the sidewalk when a white person walked down the street. host: let's talk to constance in virginia. caller: i am a fan of miss joyce . i am 71 so i have known and seen the uphill battle that our citizens have had with the quality. this is something even as a little child, i saw this as wrong. you need to include everyone and not call people black and white,

why not just call ourselves people. that is what we are, we are all human beings and we all have the same needs. we need to have better understand with one another. i believe that some of the religions tell people apart instead of bringing them together. especially when republicans use it like they are trying to do now. i don't like that at all. i want to see religion out of our government. i am not a religious person but i am very spiritual. i definitely believe in the cosmos. host: let's get a response. guest: i appreciate your comments. i would love for us to get to a world to where we don't even identify ourselves in terms of race. i read about this there is a

great new book out by robert jones of the public religious research institution and this is his area of scholarship and i hope you can look up his new book. he talks about the fact that in the 1500s, the catholic church issued a directive that said to those in the age of exploration, he blessed -- the catholic church blessed the explorers from europe going into the "new world" and said anyone you come upon in the new world, you are allowed to attempt to convert them. if they resist in any way, you are blessed by the church to kill or enslave them. this was the directive that blessed the notion of making slaves of africans. africa have resources, it had

gold that christians wanted to build lavish churches. my husband and i were to spain and we toured these beautiful churches, that gold came from the very african soil that the catholic church blessed the explorers to take him to go in and take not just legal but the people. religion has been misused and abused. i am a red q should but i believe in the red letters -- read letter christian but i believe in the red letters. they are about loving your neighbor as yourself, the other the end of the orphan, they're not about taking, not about enslavement, not about causing pain to others or discriminating, they are about love. that has fallen out of our religious tradition, domestic right-wing unity for all christianity. there are christian it's --

christians who put the sick and the needy first. that is the kind of christianity that is uplifting to the spirit. i think you pulled up the book. host: it is called "the hidden roots of white supremacy." guest: he is one of the great posters, a demographer and poster. they do a poll of 15,000 people and they do it every year. i highly recommend reading and following it because it will show you where the right is going and how it is cleaving a park on religious lines. like evangelical christians are going one direction and everyone else is going the other. . host: let's talk to -- in idaho. caller: i am in michigan. host: sorry about that.

caller: -- i found her to be a wonderful person, very strong in what she believes. i loved her expenses in mississippi and what she went through and how she became the person she became. guest: i appreciate that. one of the most fun expenses was talking to miss myrlie about growing up in mississippi. she talks about her grandmother and her on. i sent her on -- and her aunt. she talks about these women who raised her so lovingly. she had talks about her grandmother who was an enslaved person who was alive until she was five years old which shows

you that slavery is not ancient history. she knew her grandmother, she sat at the feet of this woman who had been enslaved. we did genealogical research about their family taking it back to enslavement in two parts of mississippi. we did not have to go back that far, we only had to go back to their grandparents. host: i want one more question from someone on x pushing back on bei. -- ddi. "how can we explain the loss of unity the past few years? dei means diversity, not segregation." guest: i do not understand the obsession with ddi. de i has existed for decades. there is a friend of mine who is a right-wing conservative who i used to debate. he is an expert in it.

all it is is trying to add diversity to conditions and spaces that have been almost all white and male. if the idea of giving opportunity to the people of color offends you, your problem isn't with the dei, it is with people of color. . if the idea of inclusion says that is destroying america or causing division, that might be a personal issue you might have with people of color, not an issue with dei. dei is not new, is decades old. most dei officers in corporations and institutions are white. affirmative action, the highest beneficiaries are also white women. when you go after dei, you might think you're getting rid of

black people in spaces that shouldn't be. thanks air lines shouldn't be black -- airline pilots, i get it. dei benefits not just black people, it benefits people with disabilities, white women, women of color, latinas, asian american women and benefits veterans. a lot of dei programs are to bring veterans into spaces where they are underrepresented. it is about bringing everyone was underrepresented into spaces where there is not diversity because those positions have been held almost exclusively by white men regardless of their publication. they have been able to hold positions and hold on to one hundred percent of positions without necessarily being the most qualified. it is by getting qualified to disabled people, women, women of color, black folks and brown folks into positions so they are

represented at their population level. it is just america becoming more america. host: joy-ann reid, analyst of msnbc. the book is "medgar and myrlie." thank you so much for joining us. guest: it has been fun. thank you. host: after the break, we will preview today's michigan primary and more of your phone calls in open forum. you can start calling in now. weigh in on any public policy or political issue on your mind. the phone lines are on your screen. ♪ announcer: a healthy democracy doesn't just look like this. it looks like this. where americans can see democracy at work. when citizens are truly informed, our republic thrives. get informed straight from the

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years ago was an enormous shock. they imagined european security would be built alongside a more democratic russia, not reconstructed against a revisionist imperial war machine. there was no bigger shop than in finland with its long border and tension with russia and in sweden which had dismantled 90% of its army and 70% of its air force and navy in the years after the collapse of the soviet union. after the decision by vladimir putin to try to destroy a sovereign neighbor, finland and sweden rapidly decided to apply to join the nato alliance. the only clear guarantee of collective defense against a new the aggressive and reckless russia -- against a newly aggressive and reckless russia. before we take your calls, we

are going to talk to a reporter about the michigan primary going on today. we are joined by todd spangler of the detroit free press the washington correspondent. good morning. guest: how are you? host: let's start. with the gop side. the republican -- start with the gop side. the republican party has a novel approach in selecting a candidate. can you tell us what is going on? guest: the primary caucus in michigan is confusing because the democrats decided to move up the primary calendar to a date that republican rules don't allow michigan to go. they will be a primary today for the republican party. donald trump is going to win. there is going to be a convention of locally elected to public and representatives on saturday summer -- elected

republican representatives on saturday somewhere. they would use that to elect candidates to the nominating convention and used today's results to gold out about 16 of those -- dole out about 16 of those delegates. back to do that after march 1 to be in line with republican rules. it is a two step hybrid thing. host: this is against the backdrop against a feud going on within the michigan gop. can you explain that? guest: son would be underselling it. there has been an ongoing fight and michigan over who exactly is the state republican party chair. late last year the chairperson got voted out in a meeting that one sizes was valid, she says was not.

then some folks elected former ambassador pete and the new chairman to replace christina,. he is for me to be the chairperson, she is to the chairperson. the republican national committee says it is still hoekstra. congressman hoekstra says he is going to have this convention in grand rapids. christina says she is having a convention in detroit on saturday. a court may have to decide this. there's a possibility we would get a ruling on that today. right now it is as clear as mud. the republican national committee will ultimately decide who gets seated as delegates to the nominating convention in milwaukee in august. hoekstra had the upper hand. host: we set a donald trump is going to win the primary in michigan.

how is nikki haley going to do? guest: all of the polling i have seen shows for 50 points behind donald trump -- shows her 50 points behind donald trump. she has not done much campaigning. she has only been there the last day or two. she may get a w or two, but as it stands she may not do very well at all. if she over performs 20%, that will be a big mark for her. that will show there are a lot of people that are unhappy. people wanting to grab a republican primary ballot, they are unhappy with donald trump. michigan is in the open primary -- is an open primary. there are people who may not vote republican and as a protest vote to and grab a republican ballot and vote for nikki haley

just to send a message. host: when you say michigan is in the open primary, people don't have to register as one party with the other. they cannot vote in both, obviously. guest: correct. whether they are voting absentee or in person, they have to select a ballot, either a democratic ballot or a republican party ballot. there is no party registration for voters in michigan. host: on the democratic side, there is a push urging michigan democrats to vote uncommitted instead of voting president biden. host: writes -- guest: right. congresswoman to leave his imager voice in that. she is passionate about speaking out against israel's actions.

she has relatives who live in the west bank. this movement is trying to get democratic voters to vote uncommitted which is a choice on both sides in michigan's primary elections. they will go to nominative conventions as uncommitted delegates. the idea is to get people to vote a protest vote to push president biden to demand a cease-fire by israel which he has so far resisted doing. the question is how mabel's will that get, if it does i perform uncommitted, it could be real signal to the president and his administration and his campaign that michigan is even more in

play in november than they think or they wanted to be. host: that is what i was going to ask, how competitive will michigan be in november? guest: as it stands, michigan is absolutely a tossup. there have been polls that show donald trump with a lead, in some places within the margin of error. most polls show trump ahead in mission cap, not by what. we ran a story about a poll that showed him at the margin of error. it seems like michigan is very much in play this year given the way things are. there is a lot of anger over the southern border. there is a lot of anger over inflation. and then you have this question of israel's actions in gaza and will arab americans and muslim americans settle?

will they vote for president trump? that a voting block might not change any election but there are enough young progressives, particularly in ann arbor and fencing were college populations are who don't wish to vote for president if i didn't and don't vote along with air americans and muslims. it could swing the election. host: todd spangler, thank you so much for joining us. guest: thank you for having me. host: we will go straight to your calls. starting with stacy in virginia. caller: morning. thanks for having me on. the thing that is bothering me so much that is literally hunting me is the death of aaron bushnell who is an air force

pilot who set himself on fire in front of the israeli embassy. the press did not really cover that and his last words were free palestine. this man died. he said he did not want to be complicit in the genocide. what israel is doing to the palestinians he alluded to the juice and we are watching this in real time. our entire life we grew up doing i took a pledge of allegiance to the united states of america and was taught about exceptionalism as well as the holocaust. that holocaust was beaten into our heads. and then to actually see it on live tv and social media, to see the same atrocities that hit alluded to the juice, the jews are taking a page out of his book and doing it to palestinians. it is disgusting to watch.

and that they try to say that this man is crazy. this man is not crazy. they were bombing jerusalem and bethlehem during christmas time. the place where christians claim jesus is from. they were bombing baby jesus, mary, and joseph. what really upset me is biden was at a black church and you quoted mark 12 but he left out verse 29 which was the most important. could you do me a favor? could you please mark 12:29-31, the only time god speaks to jesus and says there are only two commandments, here or israel, you are to love god with all your heart, soul, mind, and by the end of the second is this, love thy neighbor.

there are no other commandment greater than these. if this is supposed to be religious, we are violating god's word every time we drop a bomb on the palestinians. host: you did mention the death of the u.s. air force member. here is nbc news on that. it says the air force member who set himself on fire outside the u.s. israel embassy has died. he is identified as aaron bushnell. he could be heard yelling "free palestine" before collapsing. mike in sun city. guest: i am a history teacher-- caller: i am a history teacher, i wanted to get in with joy-ann reid with her propaganda. three quarters of the self never owned slaves -- the south never owned slaves so guilt on all

white people -- host: you are talking about three quarters of the residen ts of the self? caller: three fourths of the residents did not own slaves. this whitefield is totally on -- she ignores that because she is a black resist in the name of political correctness -- a black racist in the name of political correctness. host: you say you are a history teacher, what you tell your students? what do you tell your students? caller: about history? host: the history of race. caller: i put it in the right context which is historical fact. i repeated white guilt -- i repudiate white guilt. the media pushes it every day. that infuriates me as an educated informed individual.

my duty is to enlighten our children in an objective sense. minimize political correctness because it is. it should be -- because it is insulting. it should be insulting to black people, the way they are pandered to. host: this is another mike in virginia. good morning. caller: okay. i am going to try to stick with what i was about to say but that last gentleman is a history should. -- history teacher. i am a history teacher, too. seventh grade history and i try to make sure my kids get the whole story and the original story. i send them to original documents so they can get a

little bit of information. that was a great interview you had with joy read -- joy-ann reid. in the spirit of both sides, i thought it was a great interview and i thought it was a great interviewee. i thought you did a great job bringing forth the issues of her book and what is going on. from what i saw in that interview, she is so much more than what you see on the reid report and what you are seeing on the readout. msnbc is to give her a bigger platform. moving on. this gentleman and a california, i hope we as americans don't get tired of democracy. a lot of things we are seeing these days in terms of worrying about what is going on in congress, we need to understand our responsibility is to

understand who we are voting for. understand what his issues are, be informed as a voter. we cannot get tired of that fact. democracy is not too hard for americans. the idea of democracy is that we are supposed to be looking at our problems objectively and we are supposed to listen to all sides of the issue and we are supposed to come to a reasonable understanding of how we can approach the solutions. it is not an all or nothing thing. it is not all republicans, not all left, not all right. there are things we need to come push in this world and we run the risk of losing our place in this world so that people and actually be free in this world. we will never get to the point where there is nothing to fix.

we will never get to the point where people go to feel one way or another passionately about the issue that moves them. we can understand how to solve that. we are supposed to be making our union more perfect. host: in about half an hour we are going to take you to a look at russia's use of technology in his work. american made semiconductors and equipment used by russia's military despite u.s. efforts to prevent it -- watch the hearing live at 10:00 a.m. eastern after this program right here on c-span. also on c-span now and online at c-span.org. later today at 2:15, the state department and pentagon officials will testify about security challenges in the red sea after yemen's back to the

rebels have attacked ships in the region -- backed houthi rebels have attacked ships in the region. you can watch it live, also here on c-span and c-span.org. speaking of ukraine, senate majority leader schumer spoke out in favor of immediate passage of the supplemental military economic passage to ukraine. [video clip] congress test -- sen. schumer: -- let me say if our allies see america does not support its ally ukraine, they will no longer be our allies. they will know they cannot depend on america. even worse, if the autocrats and dictators like putin, like xi jinping, like the heads of north

korea and iran say that the u.s. will turn away -- see that the u.s. will turn away from a challenge like this, they will be emboldened. anyone who thinks this is far away, this does not have consequences for the american people are wrong. if we turn away from ukraine over the next decade and several decades, the american people will pay the price diplomatically, politically, economically, militarily. it is a moment. history is looking at us. we must do it. i urgent speaker johnson -- i urge speaker johnson to go see what i saw. the person of decent conscience and site would vote know if they saw what we saw. -- vote no if this all what we saw. i hope he passes the

supplemental that we passed here on descendant. i'm absently confident that it speaker johnson were to put this on the floor, it would pass with strong support. i hope, i pray for the sick of our values, for the sick of our country, for the people in ukraine and those who died in this war, i hope speaker johnson recognizes that history is watching us and watching him. the world is watching. if he does the wrong thing, i'm confident he will regret it, no matter what the political outcome. i am hopeful speaker johnson will not just in blend obedience to donald trump do what everyone knows who studies this issue --

everyone who studies this issue knows is the wrong thing and not to give ukraine what it needs. host: john is in vivid, mississippi -- leland, mississippi. caller: i love this country. i served it honorably, i would die for this country. we are tribal. tribal human beings, we have been ridiculous. watch the dred scott decision was made, every person in this country became deputized and enslaved african americans. billions of acres that have been donated to -- we have an educational system that -- if you learn to read. why do we have to pay for education? is all about keeping black people at the bottom.

i don't know if they got together and decided their to do this but it is a concerted effort to keep black people down. you don't want any even playing field. you are afraid of our potential. we cannot say that about his or anybody else. after having slavery 400 years and we have only been free like 60 years, since the civil rights movement.

-- their court on whether trump should be on the ballot were not and this issue should never go to the national level. i would like it if somebody would realize that their words in the constitution means something and people need to look at that. it is crazy. the amendment on tax, if that -- that amendment if people read

it, it is no poll tax and other tax. that can mean government revenue and burden. you have people in georgia waiting 12 hours to vote. that should be totally unconstitutional. thank you for the time. host: robert in fayetteville, north carolina. democrat. caller: good morning. my comment is i've spent 44 years in the military and spent a few years teaching in public school with history and language arts. i went to give you that background because my observation is that this situation, if we do not take care of our people, our elected officials, this is 1939 all over again. we are going to have to go to war. it is either going to be russia or china.

they will go to taiwan. if people want to defend themselves for freedom, we should be supporting that. the other issue i wanted to bring up is that i heard the professor or lecturer speak earlier about one third of the south were slaveholders. i agree, but what happened to the rest of the white people? they were part of this that system. they were treated worse in some instances than slaves. if you are -- if you were any overseer, you were at the lowest level of respectability in the south. it is not about color to me, it's about economics, grace and

politics. the more economics you have, the more -- i went to my grandmother's grave yesterday. my grandmother was born in 1899. that was three days -- three years after jim crow came into effect. i am like, people, it is race -- it is not race, it is economics. if you are mad at the president of the united states, i think he has done a strategic move. make these politicians you work for work together and come up with bills that he can sign. host: let's talk to mike come

independent in oak grove. caller: good morning. you are a vision of beauty is always. a couple of days ago on the program, a lady called in and said she is trying to get a hold of mike johnson but could not find out how. here is mike johnson's congressional phone number. 202-205-2777. i would like to ask every american who believes in freedom and democracy to call mike johnson and tell him to give ukraine aid flowing. what i would like to talk about today is when i called senator josh hawley about ukraine aid and his person who answered the

phone said his stance on ukraine aid, he is not giving anything to a worthless cause. how can a ukraine democracy be a worthless cause? i don't understand that. my dad died curing shrapnel in from world war ii. my brother died curing shrapnel. he had agent orange posting from vietnam. my other brother served two terms. my other brother will be going into the army after he graduates and my son was in the marine corps. donald trump said all the people who served our military are some present falls. bashar suckers and fools -- are suckers and full.

he asked what they got out of it. that man is not deserved to be president. host: let's talk to fred in maryland. republican. caller: today is my birthday and i am 25 plus 25 plus six. to my black brothers and sisters, i am a white man. i have been around long enough. you are not inferior to anybody else. the democratic party has filled you. they're the ones who started the jim crow laws. joe biden says if you are not divided -- not black, you not voting for me. he has made all kinds of racist remarks and you guys still vote for the d&c. the d&c is in charge of baltimore, cleveland, trade, all of these black cities that have failed you. it is time to wake up and become

americans again. we are all blooded americans. -- red-blooded americans. you are not inferior to anyone. it is joe biden who says that putin is only going in for a short incursion. on the palestinian issue, they teach their kids from day one to hate and kill jews. you are never going to stop that unless you turn that around. israel has a right to protect their nation. the other ones don't, they bomb and have no clue where they're going to land. the palestinians and hamas use palestinians as human shields. i don't want to stand what is going on -- understand what is going on. we are all in this together. with the congressional hearings on james biden, they have checks he signed off and giving to joe biden from the chinese. he is playing dumb like joe.

start showing what is going on with the joe biden family penalty scheme. i am waiting for you guys to have someone on like the whistleblower to point this out. host: got it. don in sacramento, california. caller: another brother to rhetoric -- irrelevant rhetoric. that this what happened and is never going to stop. first of all, i would like to say to all of you blacks, hispanics, and native americans, you need to read the bible. the bible is a warning to us of what is going on this day. you need to turn to your computers and go to the is related program online.

it will tell you the truth about what is going on. these white people are not having anything else to do with us different race people. it is coming to fruition the bible says what is happening. if you call yourselves people of god, read the bible. the bible is a warning. prepare for slaughter for the children of the white man. for the iniquities of their fathers, not what you have done as far as having slaves and all of that, it is because of your father's, having given you the same type of mindset today that you had even back then. host: let's go to charleston, south carolina. good morning.

caller: we had a u.s. airman sacrifice himself in protest and i want people to remember before people inevitably demonize him. don't we respect our soldiers for them wanting to sacrifice everything for what is right? i am not saying he should have done that. it is horrible and tragic. we need to relet that the bombing of palestine stops with u.s. stop sending weapons. host: tony, democrat. good morning. caller: was that me? host: go ahead. caller: i wanted to comment about a couple of the teachers that called, one from california where i am from and one from virginia and compare how the guy from california was talking about how joy-ann reid, the most

awesome person you have on your show, was a propagandist. he did not give any evidence for what her propaganda was other than he disagrees with her. i am ashamed that he can teach children history whereas obviously it sounds just like his opinion of what he teaches. you have this guy from virginia who calls up and is an excellent teacher who explains that his purpose for teaching history is to teach kids about democracy and how we need to not give up on democracy and how it is not going to be perfect for either side when you are teaching history. you cannot teach the part of history that you like, that agrees with your philosophy.

you have to teach the real history and then let people figure it out for themselves. we have people that are super angry in our country and they need to learn history which is what joy-ann reid was talking about. she was giving stories about -- she was giving history lesson. it incenses me that people think she is giving propaganda when she is basically teaching us history. i am a counselor but i used to be a teacher. people called me up five years ago when security was in the news and said are you guys teaching crt in your schools and i said no. crt -- we are not doing that, we are not trying to teach kids, not trying to angle kids into thinking a certain way. just teach kids the real history . host: yesterday president biden

joined seth meyers for a rare interview. i will should be part of that. [video clip] >> you are all more -- you are more optimistic about this country than most people are. why do you continue to be optimistic about this nation despite everything that has happened? pres. biden: i tell everybody later, never underestimate the ability of the american people. there is nothing beyond our capacity. every single crisis we have ever been in, we came out stronger then when we went in. it is because of you, not your leaders. the american people are incredible. i was asked by xi jinping, he said can you define america for me and i said one word, possibilities. america believes anything is possible.

[applause] people here step up. we have the best economy in the world and we have a long way to go but we are going to get even better. host: open forum, mary in jefferson city, missouri. what is on your might? caller: racism has been around since biblical times. [indiscernible] host: eddie in cincinnati, ohio. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say a lot of people are calling talking about

history. they have to live in time when history is made. everything you were talking about his time from a book. who wrote the book? you have to learn from history by living when history is being made. you can go back to the difficult times and talk about history, that was back then. now history is being made where everybody has got their opinions. one of the things that you are talking about with history is talking about voting for uncommitted -- that has happened for people you don't want to vote for. just don't devote. just don't vote. let that set the principal instead of voting uncommitted.

that does not make any sense to me and i don't think it makes sense to anybody else. host: tyler, texas. carol. caller: i wanted to comment after the street talking about not teaching about race and everything. we did not own slaves, that is true. also we are not the garden of eden but we are in original sin. i have grown up in the south. it is systemic racism, it is generational. my father coming out of the war ended getting the g.i. bill so he can get a great start, buy a house and start a family. the men who served with who were black did not get that bill. generational wealth headed down from generational -- our zoning

we have in our cities to keep people separated and out. housing. down here in texas -- they want public tax money to go to private schools to get away from black people. if you were to send your kid to private school, that is your business but it should be on your dime. not funds that are supposed to improve our public schools for every single student no matter what color or race. as far as the bible, if you want an example, go to see got -- go see who jesus hung out with. he was not racial. he loved everybody and still goes. we call ourselves christian in this nation and we act like i don't even know what. i hope we are not in our last few months of democracy.

host: let's go to laurel, maryland. mike. good morning. caller: how are you doing? i am so disgusted i have to use my 30 day window, i was saving it for something really good. i would be remiss if i did not respond to some of the things people are saying. as an african-american man, i can say i am deeply offended by another man of another ethnicity telling me how i should feel and who i should vote for. i am deeply offended by an agitator who has a bachelors degree to supersede someone giving factual information with a doctorate and say he is using that information to indoctrinate children. he should be teaching from his curriculum and not from his personal opinion.

furthermore, it is not a discussion of whether we owned slaves, we agree only the wealthy own slaves, but who benefited from slavery and discrimination as a whole? you cannot train claim to be my brother if you did not stand up and fight for my rights -- cannot claim to be my brother if you did not stand up and fight for my rights early on. let's say you are inclusive and against affirmative action, how do you declare to even stand with me? i get infuriated by the identity of some. it is like palestine right now, sandy will stop -- saying we will stop obama you today and then never mentioned this, we are good. no reparations, no nothing? we are learning about the holocaust that did not occur in the u.s.

everyone is coming up against crt, critical race theory is not even talk in the school system, in higher education. you don't want me to know about my history but it is okay for me to know about everyone else's? you're not my brother unless you stand up for me in truth. that is all i have. host: good morning. caller: i have not called in a while because watching this gives me anxiety and depression. we are a historically illiterate people. we have heard people like that teacher allegedly who called in and talked about slavery and whatnot. he did not bring up that while three fourths whites did not own slaves, they fight for a constitution that sought to uphold having another person's property.

the same original constitution later that out that black people were property in the same way that it laid out that this constitution and for the genocide of indigenous people here in the same way that the knotty party was influence -- host: jonathan, i think his point -- i don't want to speak for him, but i think he is saying i don't want these kids to feel guilty for something they didn't have anything to do with. caller: while they have nothing to do with it, they have everything to do with stopping it. they have everything to do with enacting as much changes they can. it is time to rectify the systemic damages of having a constitution that called for the genocide of people and the enslavement of black people that would inspire the -- and it's by

the zionists for the colonization of israel -- and inspire the zionists for the colonization of israel. that soldier who saw them laid himself brought up an excellent point. people ask themselves ask themselves what would i do during american slavery? what would i do during the holocaust? the answer is you are doing it right now. caller: good morning, the reason i called is that i heard on cbs on friday that we can send long-range missiles to ukraine right now, and it was on episode 29. and i would encourage people to watch it. i am planning to call the white house tomorrow and encourage them to do just that.