good morning is friday, march 1. president biden and former president trump toward the border.

yesterday president biden was in brownsville, texas. trump made the chaos on the border a campaign issue. we want to hear your thoughts about this. our phone lines for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002 we have a special line set up for border states that (202) 748-8003 you can use that mind to text us with your first name, city, state and you can also reach us on social media at facebook on facebook.com/cspan and x at cspanwj. congress passes a short-term

spending measure. the shutdown would have started this weekend if it had not passed. they extended the funding for federal agencies into march keying up another scramble with another shutdown deadline a week away. this stopgap passed on thursday evening and the funding deadline was pushed until march 8 and march 22. let's get back to our topic which is the border in those visits as i mentioned president biden was in brownsville. [video clip] >> the speaker of the house

needs to put this on the floor, unrestricted it would pass. the majority of democrats and republicans support this legislation. they said don't do it to benefit the incumbent. we need to act. you need to show some spine and pass a bipartisan, conservative leaders supported this border security bill. let's remember who we work for, the american people. this is what i would say to mr. trump. stop telling members to block

this legislation. we can do it together. you when i know it is the toughest border security bill this country has ever seen so instead of playing politics let's get together and get it done. we work for the american people not the democratic or republican party. we are the united states of america. think about that. there is nothing beyond our capacity when we work together. host: that was the president in brownsville, texas. here is donald trump and eagle pass blaming the problems at the border on the biden administration. [video clip] >> the united states as being overrun by the biden migrant

crime. every time you hear my current crime you know where that comes from. allowing millions and millions of people to come, up to 18 million by the time he gets out of office office because the bit risk we have is nine months, that's quite a bit of time.

1700 these are the people coming into our country and they are coming from jails, prisons, mental institutions and insane asylums and these terrorists are being led into our country. host:host: we will take your cas for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001

that was speaker johnson and he did mention hr to you and as a reminder of the provisioninr to to su construction of the border wall, topper screening for asylum-seekers, mandating employers to check employees legal status. let's talk to jay and woodlawn, tennessee. caller: mr. biden and mr. schumer have no intention

of stopping this, the more that come over the more they are happy. if they wanted to solve the problem they would've changed the bill. 5000 a day is not stopping the crisis. the more money they are asking for is for more people to process them and all that is just keeping the numbers coming through and with amnesty they can get citizenship. they do not want to stop the crisis. if they went back to what prompted it and make them stay in mexico and if they are asylum seekers they can be checked out

and vetted. host: do you want to see more officials at the border screening for asylum? caller: their goal in doing that is to bring more into the u.s.. i am all for that but in a controlled manner. host: but president biden is asking for the funding so they can process asylum seekers? caller: how do we know who these people are coming over? we don't.

that is why we have officers being beat up and young women killed and raped. you need to go back to a controlled system to where we know who and why you are coming to the u.s., what your purposes. host: let's talk to diane in ann arbor, michigan. caller: the gentleman before me had an abundance of time and i would like to equal privilege. the wall, it prohibits wildlife from accessing the river for a water source. also, i would like to plead to

c-span to give equal time to both sides. i have notice that there are guests, the deputy chief of staff and project 2025. host: we only have 15 minutes left on the border so can we stick with that topic? caller: c-span is not giving equal time. i have not seen a response to it specifically 2025 and on your website it feature truck. mp. i don't feel an equal response time. host: anything on the border you would like to mention? caller: it was at the photos of

trump and by dine. caller: dennis, on the democratic line. caller: iran all over canada in america and every report of injury and i never went across the border. they have an electronic log. we do more business with mexico and central america than we do with china. i am not making that up. we get a lot of stuff from mexico. a lot of your produce, bananas, i have a shirt on from nicaragua.

we have refugees, they called them aliens. they are immigrants. that is my opinion. i have been retired for 14 years. i've been all over the united states. i endorse joe biden. host: let's talk to jeffrey in broadway. caller: good morning. i want to talk about this bill that they crafted in congress. it has nothing to do with aliens crossing the border. pull it up and read it. host: the bipartisan senate bill? caller: it was not bipartisan

there was only one republican senator trying to push it on everybody but read the bill. it allowed more people into the country faster and more money for ngos to process people faster. tax money paying ngos to transfer these people. and now there is a phone app it when they go through a port of entry they can show that on their cell phone they come straight through. it is crazy. host: vicky sent us on faceboo this issue is something trump has chaiod. bin ramped up to the border because he is starting to lose support.

let's take a look at what house minority leader said criticizing the republican hr-two bill saying solving the crisis takes a lot more. [video clip] >> hrt to assign a serious proposal and they have demonstrated they are unserious about addressing challenges on the border, fixing our broken immigration system. we have made clear repeatedly that we should deal decisively with the challenges of the border and fix our broken immigration system in a manner that is bipartisan, comprehensive and recognizes there are things that need to be done in terms of dreamers, farmworkers as well as making

sure there is a safe, secure and humane border. host: rate is next in york, pennsylvania. caller: i have heard them talk about the immigration system but is not really broken. it's just unenforced. we are not enforcing our laws. joe biden says something about this bipartisan law would be the most effective immigration law ever. there is something called hr-2 by the house of representatives and they have not acted on it.

hakeem jeffries said is not a serious proposal. i think the bipartisan law would've permitted 5000 more migrants a day, thus not a litation, thus not control. is happened as soon as biden came in the office. host: richard is necks from louisville, kentucky. caller: i heard mitch mcconnell is going to step down as a leader of the republicans incident. he needs to step down now he is in anti-trump are calling himself a conservative

republican. host: what do you think about the border? caller: you had said something about legal entry into this country. what joe biden did, 9 million people came straight across the border. how legal was that? i'm asking them at c-span. host: i would ask you, would you be in favor of expanding legal immigration? the pathways to apply to come to the united states, which you expand that or would you limit it? caller: i would shut it down completely until we find out who is here now. remain in mexico, did you not hear what johnson said?

trump had it cut down by 75%. what is wrong with you people? all you want to do is let people come in. they are kicking people out of nursing homes in new york and their screaming bloody murder. this is what you voted for. host: roland and glenn burnie, maryland. caller: you're giving everybody a whole lot of time. you always cupping off. tting me off. caller: biden is a serious unlike president trump.

he only passed the trump tax cuts. biden passed all of these bipartisan bills. host: getting back to the border. caller: you need a bipartisan bill to solve the problem. not just extreme measures and bills the republicans put up. they did that because they knew the democrats would not support it. biden in the democrats, the bill that the senate has does not solve

the border but the republicans don't want to solve this problem once and for all. did you notice we don't have enough farmworkers? we can solve this problem and possible law that would allow those workers to come over legally and then they go back. host: we go to robert on the independent line. caller: a people of call since i got over the line and you

don't have time. host: do you feel like you don't have enough time to make your point? why don't you give it a try? caller: there is no doubt we need to close the border all donald trump is telling people they are criminals. look at him, he paid for eight abortions he's committed rape and he is a thief. all these idiots want to vote for them. host: we can talk about trump at another time but what about the border? caller: it needs to be fixed and joe biden

didn't do it. but we don't need two people one that's too old and the other is as crooked as a snake. host: out of the two who do you think would be better? caller: i don't think either one of them can. donald trump is not going to stop illegal immigration. they need to get mexico to stop them at their border. biden host: they and fort payne, alabama. caller: that is not the first time donald trump went to the border.

the illegals are standing in groups. i have no family left and i see illegal people standing in groups. they hand the debit cards, money. i worked like a man all of my life. i get a letter in the mail they're not gonna pay my medicare anymore. they're committed take out a hundred $74 out of my social security. that is not fair. that's not the america i grew up in. we give all these illegal people freestyle.

stuff. they need to load every one of them up and send them back where they come from and then sealed the border off and let them come back in until they come in the right way. you have a great day. host: that is our last call for this segment but much more to come because of next we will have a conversation about border security and all the other big debates over foreign-made and spending. we will be joined by democratic congressman rep brad schneider a member of the ways and means committees and later we will have rep john rutherford, a member of the appropriations committee. ♪

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affairs and ways and means committees. this start with the funding. there is a short-term continuing resolution that was signed yesterday and it push things offer a week, two weeks. what's the problem with passing an actual budget. guest: we are six months into the fiscal year and this should have passed before september. in june mccarthy cut a deal with biotin initiative going forward to march. in many way it looks like the republicans are unwilling to support yes is an answer.

it looks like there is progress towards that agreement. host: what are the policy issues standing in the way? guest: is the poison bills that the extremist of the republican party have put in there. it is very little to do with the funding and operations of the government and messaging to the extreme base in the republican party. host: do you think speakers also will have to work with democrats to get the votes needed? guest: absolutely. any legislation that will stand the test of time is something that's going to bring people together in the senate. democrats have consistently said

we are willing to work with you to find common ground is see where we can work together. host: would you be in favor of a continuing resolution until the end of the fiscal year that would trigger a 1% cut? guest: congress should be passing spending bills. here we are, still arguing and speaker johnson being held over a barrel by his own conference. host: i wanted turned to foreign, the war in gaza a chaotic a delivery turns deadly, over 100 gazans were killed.

can you explain if there are any differences between you and biden? guest: what happened in gaza was a tragedy but it was precipitated by an attack on israel by hamas. 30 trucks came in the gaza carrying food aid in these trucks were rust and you can see there is video rushing the trucks before they could provide an orderly distribution of f ood. we have to wait for judgment on this event but we know what is

happening in gaza is a tragedy and i wrote a letter to president biden commending him for the work he is doing and bringing the parties together. they talked about a truce during ramadan for an exchange of hostages. hamas continues to hold onto hostages but the hope is they can create a path to a long-term cease-fire and replace gaza with israeli government. israel has been working to release hostages and remove hamas from his reign of terror.

israel has been working with the u.s., egypt and hamas leadership but the folks in gaza are not willing to agree to anything that would open the door for that pause in aid. host: you can enjoy our conversation with a representative brad schneider democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001 independents (202) 748-8002. you are in israel last week, what it you see? guest: i went with them group of congress and we visited the border. we saw the impact of october 7

and we spoke to the families of hostages and victims of the attacks and went to the hospitals to hear their stories we also spoke to groups in israel that are doing what they can to begin recovering. the attack on october 7 so 1200 people who were killed and burned. we have to understand how israel is recovering and we talk to people that this word comes to a quick and. understanding as long as hamas remains in power neither palestinians or israelis will have the peace that the world wants him to reach. host: it's estimated 30,000

palestinians have died. candy is israelis do more to protect civilians? guest: it's difficult to have no civilian casualties. but you have to do all you can. host: has israel done enough? guest: they have change the approach they are taken from the beginning of the war two was a much slower into the city. they have not gone into rafah. there is one million civilians living in this area before that final push takes place we've got

to find a way to get those civilians to safety which is why those conversations are so important to get a pause during ramadan to allow relief to go in and civilians to get to safety. it is prudent that we get there and hamas needs to agree to release hostages. host: i want to ask you about the michigan primary. uncommitted got over 100,000 votes. are you concerned about the american arab population in the younger population. guest: president biden has to win this election. we know that if trump wins it will be a threat to democracy. it's a threat to the world

order. in 2012 there was a large uncommitted vote in michigan. it's not monolithic, people vote uncommitted for various reasons. it's important we listen to these people. there is room within the democratic party and we will have people disagree on issues. see continue to be a beacon for the world and the democrats are seeking to lead in the republicans are seeking to bring us back to a different era. host: first up we have a democrat from illinois. caller: good morning. is israel doing enough? they killed 30,000 palestinians.

they killed a hundred starving people yesterday. you've taken 20,000 by aipak how can we believe you when you say you care about palestinian life and biden is doing his best when you both take money from aipac to continue a genocide? guest: it was a tragedy that so many people are starving in gaza. it is unclear, the trucks were being swarmed by dozens of people desperate for food and then that context the trucks

were moving forward. we have to wait and see what the facts are the other night. there was an explosion in the hospital courtyard but in the light of day after investigation it was determined that this was a missile from islamic forces. i continue to meet with people in my districts and i have a meeting with in the mom from a mosque in our district to talk about this issue. we have to seek a path of peace. i have always been committed to a piece between israel and palestine.

hamas has to be defeated in the palestinians have to have hope for a future. they have to sit at the table to negotiate that piece. host: on the republican line in florida, henrietta. caller: good morning. i know you are talking about israel. i am a stock supporter of israel and the palestinians voted for what they got and that is very sad. they hate israel. in america, we got exactly what we deserve. you talked about the rules-based order after world war ii. europe has not participated in the dollar amounts that they should be with respect to ukraine.

do americans have six week vacation? do we have pensions? do americans have 35 hour work weeks? make europe pay more. this is absolutely ridiculous. in addition to that, why did you not vote for hr-2? guest: let's start with ukraine. his fighting for its independence. i think the ukrainian ambassador said the last 30 years of independence are the longer period of independence they've had in 300 years. the united states has led the effort to help ukrainians but

they are taking that fight to the russians on their own. europe has been our partner in that. when you talk about paying their share, european countries have provided more assistance in aid dollar for dollar than the united states. neither one is sufficient. if we fail to do so, the essential aid package for ukraine, israel is so important. if putin is able to take ukraine, the money we spent so far will be a fraction of what we need to pay in the future. russia will be threatening our nato allies. we need to make sure ukraine is successful as a retains its independence in european

countries are doing more than they need to do and that's a fair argument and we continue to work with our allies to do that. we are a country of immigrants but we need to secure our border. we need immigrants to come into our country coming in from legal channels and coming in to help us grow our economy and ensure our future. we have a crisis at the border to address and democrats are working to address that. we had a built in the senate that was announced 48 hours before republicans caved that deal. host: is there something about hr-2 that made you vote against it? guest: it doesn't resolve the

border crisis our immigration laws, has been 30 years since we've modified them if they don't reflect the situation we are facing. we have to deal with the root causes of migration. let's make it safe for them to stay in the countries they are from. i have been working on this since i came from congress. it can't be one of the other it has to be together. host: let's talk to tom from iming. wyoming. caller: what did not one credit vote to keep senator mccarthy as speaker? guest: why did mccarthy refuse

to even consider working with the democrats? we said it to the lead up to the september votes and immediately after in the hours between matt gaetz to vacate the chair and the actual vote. let's find a way to create common ground to move forward and he had no interest. after 209 democrats voted to keep the government open, leader mccarthy said the republicans -- democrats rather refuse to work with us. i am hopeful speaker johnson will work with us. he has been talked about regular

order and bringing bills to the florida vote. i want to make sure we keep the government in the house operating. there's a lot of work -- she does not want to work with democrats. caller: my question is, how many palestinians were shot by idf forces? every one of those people are dancing around us including lieutenant warner. how many palestinians are getting shot? this war needs to end. the democrats in particular, joe biden needs to call for a cease-fire from netanyahu and the fact that he has not and we are still supporting them with weapons or even talking about this is unbelievable after

attacking a civilian convoy. we should all be disgusted and looking at ourselves in the mirror and you should be ashamed of yourself. guest: i suggest you look at the videos of what happened. you see thousands of people rushing these trucks. these are people who are starving without access to food and israel is doing all it can to get the food in. we don't know if anybody was shot by israelis but it doesn't change the fact that hundreds were injured and the citizens of northern gaza need this food. i want this war to come to an end. hamas is firing rockets at israel. they started this war. we need to try and find a way to

bring the pause and release hostages so we can get on track to in this war. hamas has to release the hostages and they control whether this goes on or not. caller: the girl named blake riley and a two-year-old baby was shot by a venezuelan and a person from el salvador and not one word from joe biden. he texted 47 times when george floyd was killed and allowed the burning of cities. if this had been an assault rifle democrats would have been all over the place. but this was in the legal

immigrant who killed a beautiful nursing student. let's talk about laken riley. there have been thousands of people at eulogies. i am sad you don't revert policies back to trout policies when we had a border that was protected. it's just so sad. guest: i will extend my condolences to her family, this is a horrible tragedy. every person who was murdered we should grieve and mourn. we need to make sure we are doing all we can to make sure those citizens are safe in their communities and homes and that includes addressing assault

weapons and also address the security in our communities and make sure we know he was coming in this country. who has stayed beyond their visa. we offer to work with republicans. we have to find a way to work together, republicans and democrats to get comprehensive reform. host: are there any trump era border policies you would be in favor of reinstating? guest: we have to work with the countries of people are passing through. the laws are out of date, our immigration laws are broken.

we can't have 10,000 people coming to the border a day. the sun a situation that is acceptable. senate democrats, republicans worked hard to come up with a compromise. it took months in the making in only after 48 hours, it was undone. we saw the same thing in 2013 with bipartisan legislation where speaker boehner did not bring it to the floor. we need the political will to make sure our immigration is up to the challenge of the 21st-century and we can continue to open our doors to the immigrants who want to come here to want to do it in an orderly fashion. host: chandler from maine.

caller: i just wanted to see we had a congressman yesterday and i am having a hard time figuring out the difference between his in your response. it sounds like you support the same thing but you say and in a nice way. host: with israel you mean? caller: the border, everything at this point. i've been watching the washington journal and they all sound the same. the democrats are nice about everything but they were revert to whatever the republicans wanted. i'm having a hard time figuring out where you really position yourself on the political scale?

are you a conservative, a socialist? guest: first off, take you for your service. i'm a father of a navy veteran. i appreciate the observation. many of the things we are fighting for his quality jobs for our communities and our kids are getting a good education. there is a lot of overlap. being a moderate is the style and not a decision. i believe in a woman's right to support control over her own body. i believe we should be investing in education and everyone should

have the chance to achieve their dreams. the world looks to us and we are uniquely positioned to convene people together rep whether it's bringing countries together in the fight against russia working with countries the middle east to find a path to end this war and ultimately pursue peace between palestinians and israelis. union the united states has felt that leadership role from my lifetime. republicans have other positions but where we have common ground, we have to come together and make compromises. i may not get up 100% of what i want and they may not want get 100% what they want to forget most of what we want together, we can best legislation that will lift up the nation, things like immigration, infrastructure and the investment and jobs act.

helping veterans and making a huge difference for them across the country. these were bipartisan evers in the last congress that made a difference. if you listen closely, you will hear the differences but you are right, there is a lot of overlap where we should be able to work together. host: huntsville, alabama, independent line. caller: good morning. the likud party in israel is not america's friend. since 2000, they dragged bush and cheney into a race war against the persians. benjamin netanyahu was in control of that. we got convinced to get into a race war in iraq. in 2015, the attack in douma and the look food coalition was inciting palestinian children in the west bank. that's one of 1000 attacks. this is been going on for 30 years. they didn't just start yesterday. today, likud is back in control

and we are at it again, fighting a race war in the middle east on behalf of likud. they are as people is evil people get and they are the ku klux klan with better weapons. host: let's get a response. guest: israel is a democracy the same way the united states is. it's a parliamentary democracy and they have more parties than we have. we have two main parties we can talk about what the implications are. we talked about funding bills. in israel, there are many parties in likud is one party. there is blue and white and they will argue and fight amongst themselves. israel is a jewish democratic state as a democracy. it will have messy elections and messy fights the same we we have here. israel has always sought to

achieve peace. in 1948 when the british left, the united nations established a partition, jews living in what was palestine created the state of israel and the arabs rejected it. in 19 67, the offers for peace were known but there is no recognition of israel and no peace with israel. i will not defend the likud party. israel has its own elections and will decide what to do. posted a show there was an election today, netanyahu would probably be soundly defeated. that's for the israelis to decide. it's in the united states interest to pursue peace in the region and that's why we celebrated the abraham accords and help founded in congress, bicameral accords which i'm one of the cochairs of because we believe the middle east will be better if the people living in the middle east belong to the same land and find a way to live on that land together in peace. host: ellen from quincy,

massachusetts, democrat. caller: good morning, i have been watching this whole thing with israel and gaza. i sympathize with the israeli people about the 1200 people that were slaughtered and tortured and earned. 30,000 people versus 1200. 30,000 palestinian civilians killed. i know that the terrorist groups are embedded with the palestinians but that doesn't mean it's ok to kill the people that they are using for shields. all kinds of humanitarian laws and national and international humanitarian laws have been broken here. i don't want my tax dollars going to support magic -- benjamin netanyahu.

he is horrible. he is a dictator basically in a democracy just like if we elect trump. host: congressman, what do you think of the democratic party and what they need to do? guest: i've said many times that every civilian death is a tragedy. the numbers coming out of gaza are not confirmed but we know civilians are dying. we also know they are dying in a battle between israel and hamas fighters. it's estimated 10,000 of those killed in gaza are hamas fighters. hamas is hiding behind human shields. they are embedded in the civilian communities and that's why it's important we work to bring this war to an end. president biden and secretary blinken in the head of the cia, have been to israel and arab countries to paris and doha trying to get to a place where we can open up the space and

release the hostages. 130 hostages are still in gaza held by hamas. we need to get relief into the starving palestinians can get food and water in medicine and to a place where people can go back to their committees and start rebuilding. we need to give palestinians and israelis both hope for peace. it's not an either or but as long as hamas is in power and raining terror over gaza and threatening to annihilate israel and kill jews, peace will be harder to reach if not impossible. that's why to feeding hamas, reforming the palestinian authority, moving forward to give palestinians an israeli hopes is what the united states has to be engaged in doing. it won't happen it would just let hamas stay in power. host: representative brad snyder, thank you for joining us today. in about 30 minutes, we will talk to republican john rutherford of florida, a member

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far too many innocent palestinians have been killed over the course of this conflict , not just today, but over the past nearly five months. when you think about today's tragedy, it's especially heartbreaking to consider how many of those families affected will be burying loved ones not for the first time. i'm sure many of those affected have buried multiple loved ones over the conflict. when it comes to establishing facts on the ground, we are urgently seeking additional information on exactly what took place. we have been in touch with israeli government since early this morning and understand an investigation is underway. we will monitor that investigation closely and pressing for answers. this tragic event also underscores the importance of expanding and sustaining the flow of humanitarian assistance into gaza in response to the dire humanitarian situation including through a potential temporary cease-fire as part of

a hostage deal. if there is anything today's incident makes clear it is just how desperate the situation on the ground is. people need more food, they need more water, they need medicine and other humanitarian goods and they needed now. we continue to make clear in all of our discussions with the government of israel that all possible measures must be taken to allow the entry of more assistance into gaza through his many points of access is possible and enable safe and secure distribution of that aid throughout gaza. as we have said before, the best way to alleviate the ongoing suffering of the palestinian people is to reach an agreement for a temporary cease-fire that would get hostages out, enable more aid to come in and allow that aid move everywhere inside gaza. host: that was the state department spokesperson matthew miller. happening right now is alexey

navalny's funeral and burial. here is the new york times -- that's happening as we speak in moscow. let's go to tom in san jose, california, democrat. caller: good morning. i just wanted to vent about the supreme court. clarence thomas his wife texted mark meadows stating the election was stolen. and that he needed to stop mike pence from certifying the election or the leftists will destroy our country. i remember anita hill telling congress under oath what clarence thomas, what a perv he was. he took lavish trips and a billionaire is dime and then you

have brett kavanaugh and his testimony and how he drank beer and partied and you have amy barrett, member of some white conservative group wants to turn our nation into a conservative nation. then you have alito who took lavish trips also on a billionaire's dime. then you've got neil gorsuch who was put in office by stealing it from garland. then you've got the supreme court recent decision to stall trump's trial for trying to take over an election and steal the election. this is proof that our supreme court is just one-sided and crooked. i cannot stand it. it just disturbs me. they are bought and paid for. we will not have any justice from the supreme court. that's my belief. is that ok? host: yep, west virginia,

republican, good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. host: can you your tv? i can hear in the background. caller: how about now? host: yes. caller: first of all, america has forgotten 9/11. look what a few men did and killed how many, over 3000. we the people coming in from china, our enemies, military [indiscernible] people don't leave china for no reason. you take thousands and thousands of enemies coming into america and when it starts, how many hundreds of thousands are they

going to kill? we are in for a rough time. if you take history, any nation or war, they put people, their troops behind enemy lines before they attack. all i can say is is that bidens border policy wants to stop people coming in after 5000. that is not securing the border. securing the border is no one coming across the border. host: we got it. let's go to tony and jackson, mississippi, independent line. caller: jackson, michigan, home of the republican party but i'm

not republican. i was born and i'm a black person and proud to be one. i do think we need to come together and reason together. i am a pastor of a church and the minister of the gospel and i love everybody. we have to start loving each other and doing what the scripture has said. we need to reason together, respect one another, common things, youth in our education to make talking points is not going to work. we have to reach out for the people and touch their hearts. we need to touch them from our hearts. singing, being joyful, just like the mexicans, they have aperiod where they rejoice and go back to work. for our work to be complete, we need to get some action going so we can relax in the lord, relax in our country.

we are a country of the lord. we believe in god but we don't know how we believe in him. we say that god is this or that but god is simply a spirit who is revealed in the earth, revealed in nature, revealed in each of us. host: steve in san jose, california, republican, good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. i know it, you know it and the world knows it. if all the migrants in mexico were to don trump t-shirts that the border would be sealed. if they came across with trump t-shirts, there would not be one of them that would make it across. my second point is that -- how

shall we say -- it is a lie that biden is concerned about the border. he has filed suit against the orange barrier that runs along the texas border in the river. he has filed suit about the railroad cars in the barbed wire. he filed suit regarding everything that texas is doing to prevent the illegals. my third point is, as far as democrats, every democrat should have on file and iq test above 50. host: wilson, north carolina,

independent line. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i'd like to make a couple of points if i can. number one, this thing about the border. i'm tired of hearing. it's something we brought upon ourselves. we have to stabilize those countries especially venezuela. until we started putting the cia down there and destabilizing that country and we spend no money with their neighbors to the south but look at the money we're spending in israel and the money we're are spending in other countries helping out the russians and everything. the main point i wanted to make is that israel, the thing about israel is pitiful. the news media and even c-span,

don't cut me off now, i'm just telling the truth and you can put me off if you want to. c-span refused to have any conversations about israel. you cut people off and it was a dirty little secret. israel has been doing things to these people for years and years. they control the water and they are under occupation so that's with this thing is about. no one wanted to do anything about it. when these people finally rolled up and did something -- i'm not saying what they did was right but after you beat a dog so hard and so long, he will rise up against you. i think that's what is happening now. we are out here now and everything is pointing out to us. this netanyahu guy like people say, we should have never dealt with him.

most of this was started by republicans. republicans were the one. host: we are listening. caller: republicans was the one that praised him when he came over here and booed obama when obama gave the state of the union speech. this has been something that's been brewing up. israel has the most advanced intelligence agency in the world. you mean to tell me that they didn't know that they was coming over that border? they've got cameras up there looking at what's going on so you can't tell me they didn't know this was about to happen. net and you -- netanyahu wanted this to happen. host: also yesterday, secretary of defense boston testified in front of a house panel. we have a portion of that for you.

this is an exchange republican jim banks and the secretary. [video clip] >> yes or no, did you tell yourself not to inform the president? >> i never told anyone not to inform the president, the white house or anyone else about my hospitalization. >> so the 30 day review summary lays a lot of blame at the feet of your staff. it seems that would appear correct? for the break the process? you told us that you are responsible but the 30 day review seems to blame your staff. >> the 30 day review pointed out that there were some missteps but there was never any ill intent or an intent to obfuscate. >> one year ago, you told me in this hearing room that you had no regrets about what happened in afghanistan. do you regret what happened here? >> i have said we didn't get

this right. we put measures in place to ensure that the notification process has improved going forward. >> mr. secretary, who will be held accountable? this embarrassment? >> i take full responsibility and we put measures in place to address the shortcomings. >> are you surprised the president didn't call for your resignation? i'm surprised but are you? >> the president has expressed full faith and confidence in me. >> so you're not surprised he didn't call for your resignation. is it typical the president would go three days without talking to his secretary of defense? is that typical? is that a regular posture? do you usually go days without talking to the commander-in-chief? >> it can happen it depends whether the president is on travel or i am on travel.

there is time we go days without direct mitigation. >> the big issue for me here is either the president is that aloof or you are irrelevant. which one is it, mr. secretary? the president would go three days without knowing his secretary of defense is not on the job. host: you can watch that full hearing on our website, c-span.org. let's go back to the phones now. new york state, democrat. caller: hi there, good morning and thank you for all you're doing thank you for c-span. i want to contrast a couple of tragedies that befell to young people recently. first, the nursing student who was killed by a criminal and criminals come from all nationalities in all walks of life sadly and republicans especially trump, is trying to exploit that tragedy with his

xenophobia. then we have a non-binary youth in oklahoma was brutally murdered by peers in a school bathroom and no one in school helped that young person. that was a direct result of the hatred and scapegoating that happens with vulnerable youth by bigots. thank you so much. host: john is next in turtle creek, pennsylvania, republican. caller: thanks for taking my call. wanted to call to make a comment. i love to watch this part of c-span. if i don't catch it in the morning because i'm at work, i will watch repeats in the afternoon. i love to hear the opinions of americans. it worries me right now where we are at with what's going on over in israel. some of the people that call in are so sympathetic to the palestinians and seem to forget

what happened on 9/11. they were out in the streets burning or flags and screaming death to america because they were so happy for what happened in new york. i just wanted to make that point and try to bring up some history. i want to enlighten some people that the palestinians have been thrown out of countries since jesus walked to the earth. they go into a country and try to take over the government. that's why they are stuck in gaza. nobody will take them because they have already taken them and they don't want the problems they bring. i'm still sympathetic. as a christian or anybody that's stuck in a war zone and people are dying. you have to realize who the palestinian people are. thanks for taking my call. host: houston, texas, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning.

i have a few points. to the point of israel to start, the first thing i thought of was in agreement with the previous caller that mentioned the intelligence capabilities of israel. also the military capabilities of israel. i have been a big supporter of them defending themselves against a true invasion against russia. why are we need to send money to a very capable military such as israel and not from the get go advising them to fight surgically in the way the united states has for the last couple of decades? i am 33 years old. the war has been my childhood, and adolescence in my adulthood.

i am versed at basically how the united states fight. why have we decided to poison ourselves against each other by standing idly by with our thumbs under her leg realizing when israel will get to the program. to the point of immigration, i feel we have the answers to get immigration under control. i'm wondering when republicans are going to stand with democrats and fund a process of the judges, the lawyers and the officers all in connection to ensure the legal expedited immigration of those coming to

our country. we have to stabilize the country with people coming for decades long before i was born. we are now dealing with the chickens are coming home to roost as a result of that. i wanted to have those questions answered. i'm wondering when people will get it together that it's possible we can be for all of these points and be more reasonable about it without the blame and the xenophobia when it comes to this. democrats need to get their message straight. host: we are out of time for this part of open forum but we will have another more time later in the program for open form and for your calls on various topics.

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the march 1 date to march 8 and the march 15 date to march 22. we have to have an extra week in there because we have a republican strategy retreat in between there. what this does, the reason we did this is because we didn't want speaker pelosi or our members to say here's the bill and vote on it. we have a rule, 72 hours we look at bills before we have to vote on them. this will give us the 72 hour requirement that we impose on ourselves so we can literally read this before we vote on it. host: what are the policy issues that are the sticking points? what's standing in the way of getting this done? guest: that's part of the issue for this cr.

it's the fact that i know what the bills look like when they left appropriations in the house but then they go to conference with the senate. i know speaker johnson has been working very hard with the senate on not just the dollars but also the policy riders and those sorts of things. we really don't know what the bill looks like yet. some of the topline numbers are the same so that's good. everything that's in the bill we don't know yet and that's why we have to read it and that's why we needed those three days. host: you mentioned the three days on the first deadline now is march 8 which is in a week. do you have enough time to get this done? guest: we will be back next week. i think we will get in sunday and they will give us the language. we will get it done next week. host: would you be in favor of

another continuing resolution if you don't get it done and extending that to the end of the year? guest: we've got a get it done. i think we will. i think there is enough consensus now that we will bring these six bills to the floor. those of the six we will bring and we will do the next six later so we are looking at two many omnibus'if you will. host: your collie, representative crenshaw said a gop delay at the border would be unethical. i will play you a portion of his interview on news nation and you can respond. [video clip] >> they say we will do it but when trump gets in because he needs it to be as bad a problem as possible for his election and that's why we didn't want to act on it now. get on the bus with us.

what do you say to them? >> i say that's an unethical stance to take. i am not willing to let intensive thousands or hundreds of thousands of more illegal immigrants just to own biden. that is a bad stance to take. we can put things into law the force biden's hand. there is another talking point i will not accept which is he needs the authority -- he has the of 30 needs. biden rescinded all of trump's executive orders and put new ones in and screwed this up a lot. another thing that is also true is you still need new laws. that's why we passed hr two. under trump, he still couldn't do what he needed to do because he needed changes in law. eventually, the way he fix the problem was to deal with a foreign country. good on him for the initiative and i appreciated what trump did but in the end, he had to rely on mexico doing it for us.

congress needs to act. we actually do need new laws and we can't just throw our hands up and say biden will follow the law. if we make the laws clear enough, he has to follow them and immigration law is too vague. people don't read immigration law. it's a complicated subject and we have to work on. i keep asking her leadership to do that. host: your reaction to that? guest: i agree with what he just said. i think it is irresponsible to wait until the next president is in office to address the border issue. the real issue is that this president has had the authority, to change the policy at the border, enforce the law. i just want this administration to enforce the immigration laws that already exist. host: specifically, what should he do? guest: number one, they should

do away with this alternative, not the extension but the parole they are abusing. 1.5 million people have been paroled into this country. they have to stop. they reinstituted catch and release. they need to stop that. there is a lot of things that this administration has the authority to do today. they don't need any additional laws. congressman crenshaw is right. we need to change some of the laws like we need to e verify across the country but that's not the issue with the border now. host: would you have been in favor of bringing to about the senate bipartisan deal worked out over four months? guest: that deal was horrible. everybody that looked at that deal said you are making illegal immigrants legal. it did nothing to stop people

from coming in. there were no controls. the biggest problem this administration has now is they are not vetting people properly that are coming through. i had a murder in my district in florida of a gentleman who came through and said his name was fernandez, used a fake name and a fake date of birth that made him a juvenile. that qualified him for catch and release under this administration's policy. they couldn't prove who he was. they had no idea who this guy was and you know what they did? they put him on a plane and sent him to jacksonville. he went up killing mr. cuellar in jacksonville. he's now doing 60 years in florida state prison for that murder. i have had this conversation with secretary mayorkas.

their default policy is when they can't figure out who you are, they let you in on that's why this 1.5 million people are on parole. host: if you've got a comment or question for representative john rutherford of florida, you can call us our lives by party. democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001 an independents (202) 748-8002. i want to ask you about the tragedy in gaza with over 100 palestinians killed waiting for food aid. guest: i understand the need for israel to route hamas out of gaza. the leadership of hamas has to change. there is not going to be any peace in the region without a change there. at the same time, i feel for the

palestinians who were also living under this hamas rule in gaza. they are being killed as a result of october 7 and what this hamas leadership did to israelis and others who were visiting in israel. host: is there anything about president biden's policy toward israel that needs to be changed? guest: i think they need to look at this issue of the west bank, the settlements going in there. i agree with the president on that. i agree we have two, i voted for the supplemental, the israeli supplemental that the house passed. i voted for that because we have to keep their missile defense

systems fully loaded and we need to replenish the military stocks that we have provided them. that is why i fully support israel. host: let's talk to callers, michael in belmar, new jersey, democrat. caller: good morning, c-span and thank you project michael. congressman, the one thing you said about the change in hamas, it's not a government, they will not change any leadership in hamas. my one point was you brought up nancy pelosi at the beginning of the conversation. i find it amazing you would even bring her up when you're leadership in the house is sewn up. you had mccarthy and was a joke. johnson is a marionette with strings being pulled by you know who.

for you to even bring up nancy pelosi's name, woman who actually did legislation when she was there. is comical i just had to bring that up because i've been waiting for somebody to talk to and for one of you to bring up her name and insult her like that. guest: i was just referring to nancy pelosi's statement on obamacare that we have to pass this and find out what's in it. we will not do that. speaker johnson is not going to do that. we are actually going to read bills before we pass them. host: i know you don't agree with nancy pelosi's policies but would you consider her an effective legislator? guest: i think she was very effective. host: another michael in imperial beach, california, democrat. caller: good morning. very simple question -- are you guys actually banning

books in florida and what is the justification for that? thank you for that. guest: they are banning books in schools that are not age-appropriate. i think everyone would agree that there are some books that don't need to be in our elementary schools, for example. i think they are looking at that. school boards, all school board should be looking at the materials being presented to the children they are responsible for. some of the books i've seen that are being banned are really pretty atrocious. i don't think anyone would disagree that they should not be in an host: host: elementary school, for example. let's talk to richard on republican line in kansas?

richard? maybe richard's not there. sorry. caller: olethya, kansas. we are certainly ignorant about a lot of things out here but we are not stupid. we can see what's going on. number one, it always -- mi there? host: you are, go ahead. caller: we may be ignorant out here but we are not stupid. when we see things come is pretty easy to figure out what's going on. let's stop with all the democrat/republican stuff. let's start looking at what the administrative bureaucracy is doing. that's why passing more laws, i don't know why we are under the assumption we need to keep

passing more laws. how about we enforce the laws and then we won't need to keep passing new laws. host: like what, richard? caller: the border. that's the point i was getting at here. we can stop this overnight. if trump was as successful as he was, there could even be more. it's like the other caller said, just put trump t-shirts and everybody in mexico and you will see how quick that border closes. guest: you are absolutely right. we don't need a bunch of laws. i tell folks all the time that i think the two things that are threatening american democracy more than anything else is two things -- executive order from the president and executive

rulemaking by these executive agencies where they are literally going around congress. we have the congressional review act but that's to slow and perfunctory. what we really need and we pass the rains act. its rules from the executive in need of scrutiny. that tells you what the rains act is about. we have to stop allowing these executive agencies to legislate through the rulemaking process. the president from legislating through the executive order. guest: just looking it up, it up, look like trump issued 894 executive orders -- executive actions, 220 were executive orders. guest:, i disagree with that too. stop them all.

if you want something pass, go through the congress. host: new jersey, independent, high mike. caller: i would like to ask the representative if he can comment on the cpac convention and how your party allows such public extremism. guest: i didn't go to the cpac. mainly because i don't agree with some of the tactics of some of the members that do go down there. i am with you. i am not a name and i don't like throwing bombs and calling people names and that sort of thing. guest: who was at cpac that you feel was too extreme? caller: pretty much everybody even going down to the ones they had in the background and using the word die.

the first speaker said he wanted to overthrow democracy and they want to do it on january 6 and they are going to do it again. is winning that important to your party? you would take these extremists under your wing? silence is complicity in all the republicans are complicit in allowing these hateful, adversarial people to exist. guest: i would encourage you to follow the rutherford roundup. you can go to rutherford.gov and follow me and follow me nci speak out on some of this. i'm a member of the bipartisan working group. we are working across that's one of the said things come a lot of people don't realize that there are a lot of members working across the aisle with each other to get things done.

you just don't hear about it. host: it doesn't seem like you're being that effective. guest: no, we are not because they still vote party lines, everybody votes party lines. host: wayne is next in harrisburg, pennsylvania, democrat. caller: this is what i want to talk about. i'm talking about the funding that you fun for the wars. you are always talking about 1%. we need help in america. for white and black people. when are you going to do something for us? you've been in congress for a long time. you should know the answers. you are an older person and you should know and joe biden, he needs to go and i'm a democrat. i wouldn't even vote for neither one of them. i'm going to go independent now.

i will vote for cornell west and see what happens. i don't care who becomes president. guest: we just passed a bill that had some relief in there, tax relief for businesses but also has some very good relief for families with the child tax credit. it is not, as some have portrayed it, a guaranteed minimum income. it has a work requirement built into it. nobody is going to give up their job to get a few dollars the following year. those allegations -- we are trying to look out for families. host: robert is a democrat in texas, good morning area caller: [inaudible]

[indiscernible] everyone said that bill will never live. host: what bill? guest: caller: the bill for the border, the border bill. guest: the bipartisan bill that came out of the senate? caller: yes, you said the bill wasn't any good. why is it they will not put it up for a vote? the republicans said it wasn't worth nothing. can't they put it up for a vote? guest: the majority of the senate republicans didn't even like that bill. i think everyone that vetted that bill after they actually so the language was really aghast at what the bill proposes and the way it was going to allow people to come into our country.

there was nothing in there to stop people. it was all to speed up the processing of people and quit calling them illegal and make them legal. that's why i was opposed to it. host: on the independent line, georgia, good morning. caller: good morning. my questions this -- why do we argue so much? we are all human and we all got voted in. nobody yesterday when the secretary talked about -- what about our border? that's our border. he is part of the defense. they are all coming from mexico. why in the world are we not talking about -- not one question was about our border. it was all about russia and all about china but nothing about

our particular border. none of the people in our state got killed. that girl got killed by illegals. we are going to put him in jail. we are going to support him while he's in jail. everybody coming over gets $1000. we've got people in the united states were starving to death. please explain it to me. guest: i am for holding all of these illegal immigrants accountable when they come here and commit a crime. we put them in jail, we prosecute them, then we put them in prison. they do their time and then we deport them. i can tell you in jacksonville, florida when i was sheriff, i started at 287 g program and that's a section in the immigration law that allows

state and local law enforcement to work with ice and use their database when you talk to someone who's is an illegal alien our community. once they are in jail, we prosecute them to the fullest and we actually put a detainer on them forice. because of that program, we can actually start deportation proceedings. we cannot deport them but weekend start that process and expedite getting them out of the country. we deported thousands when i was sheriff. host: let's talk to fred in brookville, florida, republican. caller: yes, you are talking about the word banning books. you are not banning the books. you are reading books. it's like a movie. guest: right. caller: r-rating movies and then

you gotta gp movie. everybody thinks you are banning all the books in florida. that's not the way to use that word. guest: that's a great point. thanks for pointing that out. you are actually right. host: anything else? caller: yeah, there was a gentleman talking about the border. trump went to the border on texas. biden went to the brownsville, texas where there was very few people coming across brownsville. why didn't biden choose to go to eagle pass, texas where the real problem is? people have to understand that when we let these illegals in and not check them, you don't know who you're living in.

look at all the people that's been killed by these people. i don't want my grandchildren, my wife, my family have to go through this and worry about getting killed. i won't even let my wife go out at night because i'm scared to death. most of the time i won't let her go by herself anywhere. guest: i will tell you if you look at the numbers of illegals coming across and brownsville and eagle pass, they are both down significantly because of what governor abbott has done by putting up barriers. this whole argument that walls done work. walls are just a barrier. and impediment. they are not -- they don't keep out. it's just an impediment to them coming in. but, when they come in now in texas, they go to jail if they

work their way through that barrier. the numbers are down in both places, actually. yes, if you look back over the last month, that's why governor abbott went to eagle pass and shut the entire park down because it was being used by c.b.p. to bring in thousands and thousands of illegal aliens every day. host: one more call. a republican in worcester, massachusetts. good morning. caller: thank you so much. i first would like to compliment representative rutherford for being succinct in his answers and not bloviating like 99% of your guests do. i also would like to say the only immigration process that should be going on right now are those that have been waiting in line for years and years and years. and thousands of dollars to wait in line and come here legally.

shut the damn border down. and stop this insanity. thank you so much. guest: thank you. that truly is the sad thing here is the people who are trying to immigrate legally are being hampered by all of this attention that's going to the illegal immigrants who are crossing our border. so you're right about that. i was against the surge where the biden administration took uscis personnel and sent them to the border. took additional federal agents and sent them to the border. the surge did nothing to stop people. they simply processed them more quickly. i have this very conversation with secretary mayorkas because they had a six pillar plan, they

called it, for when they lifted title 42. and guess what? maybe i read those six pillars. not one of them would stop somebody from coming across that rio grande river. not one. it was all about processing. host: we do have laws about asylum seekers. do you think that people should not be able to seek asylum when they get here? guest: if they come in illegally, no. if they come through a port of entry, absolutely. host: you have a very long career in law enforcement. i wanted to ask you about your priorities when it comes to law enforcement. guest: listen, when you look at what's going on today with the number of police officers, not just the number of police officers being shot and injured or killed, but the number that are actually being ambushed. that number is up about 30%. so i have a bill, it's called protect and serve, which will make it an additional 10-year

federal crime for those who specifically attack the police through an ambush or a kidnapping. if a kidnap or kill a police offer, they are looking at a life sentence. my message to the bad guys is, if you want to target us, the police, we are going to target you. host: that's representative john ruster ford, a republican. florida, member of the appropriations committee. congressman, thanks so much. and good luck with those bills next week. guest: thank you. host: after the break, i'll speak with legendary consumer advocate and corporate critic and four time presidential candidate, raffle nader, who celebrated his 90th birthday earlier this week. and more of your calls in open forum. your chance to weigh in on any political or policy topic on your mind. start calling in now. numbers are on your screen. we'll be right back.

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you can go ahead and call in about whatever's on your mind. politics wise this morning. this is "politico" with the headline, tlaib, representative rashida tlaib, declines to say whether she'll back biden in november. and it says this, that representative tlaib of michigan urged michigan voters to look at the, quote, whole ballot in november, rather than stay home and protest of president joe biden's handling of the israel-hamas war. while declining to say if she would back the president in the general election. we have a portion of her remarks to show you about the success of that uncommitted effort. >> i love michigan. as you can see not only making water human rights, but now even with movement of saying, look, don't stay home. use your democracy to say something to the president. use it as a way to voice your opinion. and show them where you are right now in regards to support.

we are not going to go into the back yards of other states and tell them what to do. i think what is so beautiful about our country is every community is different. every community is going to decide how to use our democracy. i always tell people, you show up for marches, protests, you call your members of congress, city, local resolutions. use the ballot box to speak at truth. it's important for folks to understand. i am incredibly, incredibly scared of a second term of trump. i think it's really important to emphasize this. right now our democracy is at stake. i'm asking the president and i think many of us are saying, change course. you are threatening literally our democracy. please. understand, listen to u. not only to michigan, but so many people, the majority of americans are supporting a cease-fire. this is not something that, again, should just be don't worry about it, we'll keep going. i think it's a very, very clear. this is better than any polls,

any way to -- what are folks thinking about right now. again, when i talk to folks that voted this way in our community, they said, rashida, i would have stayed home. but now i felt like i had an option. a way to speak my truth, my core values. i think it's incredibly powerful. i'm going to see, again, what makes our country straight grate is that we use that ballot box to say something to the people in power, including those that are supposed to represent us. host: representative tlaib of michigan. our first call from michigan, adrian, on the line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i felt compelled to call today because it's just -- i just see in our culture what is happening as a result of all the fear that is being thrown out there to the public. and i went and had my haircut

the other day, and the hairdresser said, oh, don't let my daughter go outside. what the man just said he doesn't let his wife go out without him. and i live in a small town, and there is very, very little crime, if any. i've never been assaulted. people are so afraid that if they go outside they are going to be assaulted or -- it really, really is frightening to me that this is happening. i see it in a lot of places. i just want to say that we live -- i live in a community that's probably half mexican american, and we live together peacefully. and we have a beautiful community. all of this fear is being created and it's destroying our culture, if you like. host: a republican in louisiana,

good morning. caller: how you doing. host: good. caller: ok. off and on listening to your show. i have to tell you, there's a lot of people out there that are so uninformed. you can tell they listen to the fake news every day, which doesn't really report the news. they do not report the news. they are a joke now. they are low on the totem poll in public opinion. less than 10% believe the news media now. the people that call in to your show are so, just, misinformed. host: give me an example. be specific. what's an example of something people are misinformed about. caller: let's just say this. when trump was president, we had

pretty good deals. everything was going -- we didn't have wars. biden gets in, we are in two wars, probably three or four, maybe world war iii. he doesn't know what he's doing. joe biden is not the president. it's obama or somebody behind him. he is not the president. he doesn't -- if you read the hur report, if you read, if the news media puts out the hur report, which is supposed to be opened to the public -- host: it is opened to the public and it's on our website as well. caller: did you read it? host: i didn't read all 400 pages, no. caller: there are literally hundreds and hundreds of felonies that hur specified that biden did. and they let him off because he's basically senile. that's the truth. but he's already committed these atrocities.

he's going to get a free pass. free pass. host: ok. hendersonville, north carolina, independent. caller: good morning. i saw a top story on a program. the top story is the nonbinary child murdered due to the injuries while in a bathroom at school. that child was born as a female and identified as nonbinary, but forced to use the female bathroom. and was subsequently beaten to death. tell me how are they protecting children when children die? the programming note for you, you guys -- you like to prevent callers from -- you allow your guest to insult the people that watch the show. it makes me want to stop watching. host: go ahead. caller: yeah. recently there was a guest on

from -- the cpac that spoke on anti-trans issues. i as a transgender woman was insulted by the things he was allowed to say on your show. yet when a caller calls in and says something against him, they are cut off. he's protected. why don't you protect the people that watch this show? that's really all that -- host: i understand that you are offended by his opinions. it's different when a caller calls in and says you are an idiot. or call them names. i just tell people, look. let's not do personal attacks on the guest. stick to the actual policies. talk about the public policy involved. i hope that clarifies things. james in waldorf, maryland, democrat, good. good morning. caller: good morning. nice show you have on. the people who get their information from trump, it seems like they don't understand

logic. i used to be a republican. now the republican party they are just super soft. by soft i mean no backbone. very hypocritical. every stance on every subject seems to be hypocritical. the border has turned into something of a terrible word. the border, the board, the border, oh, these poor immigrant families trying to migrate and become americans are horrible, horrible people. shut down the border. it seems like trump has made the republican party a faction of how he thinks and how he believes. there is no independent thought that comes from the republican party. if i think something different from what trump says, then i'm vilified. not only am i vilified. if i agree with 20% of what he says and if i say one thing

that's not in line with him, i'm a dog. it's insane to where the way that we carry on and the way that the republican party is just being controlled not only controlled. the last caller said the information that he gets or that people get or receive, if i remember correctly, information that we get is all from fake news. and the media. he just mention add report that publicly known that's full of falsehoods that just doesn't line up. i don't understand how the republican party has formed into what it is now. host: jerry next in long beach, washington. republican. hi. caller: good morning. i want to just tell everybody about myself first. i'm a big corporation, i was recruited for about three or four years. i know how to ask a question and follow up a question if they don't answer the question. that first democrat you had on, you had two key areas that you didn't follow up on. one had to do with that poison

pill thing. you asked him, he danced around it. you should have said could he be more specific. it was the same thing with the border bill that came out. he said, look, too extreme. what do you mean? i love your show. i love c-span. but i ask you to be a journalist and do more follow-up. you do a great job on callers like us. that person -- host: you know, jerry, i hear you. but i can't force somebody to answer a question. we do our best. caller: you can't force them. but you can show us that you are trying by following up the question. that's all i'm asking. if they don't answer the question, then we all see that. that's very obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about. i still love your show. i'll keep calling in. thank you very much. host: we will pause here to speak to a guest. on the line. please stay on the line, we'll get back to open forum after we talk to ralph nader, who is a

consumer advocate and former presidential candidate. mr. nader, welcome to the program. guest: thank you very much. host: you celebrated your 90th birthday earlier this week, happy birthday. how did you celebrate? guest: thank you. by working. justice in the country for everybody regardless of their political labels. host: mr. nader, in addition to writing books, you have got a publication called capitol hill citizen. i have it here. we can discuss what's in it. it's print only. i'm curious before we talk about the actual contnt in it, why only print? why not go digital? guest: because we have very good experience with print only. people tell us that they love to hold the newspaper in their own hand. no distractions. no diversions. no ads. no clutter. and we rather have a serious audience than a larger audience

that just scrolls through it. our experience online like so many other people has not been good when we put out our reports and other materials because there's too much clutter. it's overload. so we are working on this. and the citizen.com this newspaper has a letters to the editor which have interesting elaborations about why they like a print newspaper. they are going to capitol citizen and ordering copies for libraries and their discussion group. there is no newspaper like this. seven editions have come out. this one can be obtained by donation of $5 or more and go to capitol hill citizen.com. you'll get it mailed immediately. first class. if you want more copies, you can order more copies for a donation of $5 or more.

the lead article i'm privileged to write is on congress as a weapons of mass destruction. host: i have that here. the headline is this collectively congress is a weapons of mass destruction. what do you mean? guest: although there are some really good people in congress, collectively as a body it's a gridlock and it's up for sale or rent to all the campaign finance money that's coming in that c-span has covered events for. the first destruction of a democracy itself, congress is supposed to represent we the people. not supposed to represent the corporations like the oil and gas and banking and insurance and other corporations who pump money through their packs -- p.a.c.'s into both parties' coffers. it's destruction of peace. the elaboration of wars of

empire without being declared, just pumping money. the destruction of iraq has took over a million lives and pulverized that society. they over reacted in afghanistan and destroyed so much of that country. libya. supported the war on yemen. it keeps going. the congress has clearly destroyed the progressive tax system t filling it with endless complexity loopholes for special interest to avoid and evade taxes. they have even destroyed medicare and medicaid by turning it over to health insurance contractors. not just administer the programs, but actually to have gouging policies that deny benefits and put people in narrow networks and other subversions of the original

concept of medicare for the elderly of the government program. and also they have destroyed their own capacity to function. they defunded the office of technology assessment, starting in 1995, where they have eliminated the technical advice on things like military technology, food technology, a.i. all kinds of other technologies that they need impartial advice for. people ought to realize this. they have destroyed our freedom of contract by letting these companies tie us up in this fine print that many people can't even read when they go into the credit economy or sign a landlord's lease, or whatever. very, very one-sided. host: mr. nader, what needs to happen? how do you fix congress? guest: excellent question. one is, this is what's written up in the capitol citizen. people back home have got to

summon with their own agenda members of congress to town meetings back home. which i believe would be covered by c-span. now in its 45th year. there is a lot of left, right support for a living wage, for cracking down on corporate crooks, breaking up big monopolies, getting rid of government waste and corruption. changing the tax system. if people get petitions, my guess is 500 clearly written signatures on petitions to a member of the house would bring the representative to the town meeting in your area. 1,000 would bring senators, sometimes less, back to your town meeting. where you present the agenda. and they listen to you. and go back with the instructions of we, the people. the purpose of the capitol citizen is to create these kinds

of capitol hill citizens back home. the constitution starts with we the people, not we the congress or we the corporation. we are appealing to conservative and liberal families who have common interests back home where they live, work, and raise their families. all this divide and rule stuff by the two major parties for their own advantage begins to dissipate because these families want the same thing. they want good schools, they want good public services, good roads, bridges, public transit. clean air. clean water. that's what this capitol citizen.com is about. host: i want to ask you about the president tkepbgs election -- election happening this year. polling showing there are a lot of people not happy with the two major candidates who are likely going to be facing off again. is this the year for a third party candidate given your history of having run several

times for president as a third party candidate? guest: i think every year is a year for more voices and choices for the voters in this country. poll after poll shows over 60% of the people want a viable third party. the problem is that they find themselves at election time unable to vote for a third party because thecies democrat with winner take all electoral college, kwerry manneddering -- gerrymandering, draws them into feeling only one of two candidates can win, republican or democrat. i look over the history of third parties, the first party against slavery was a liberty party in 1840. the small parties for the women's right to vote. and decades after that. the farmer party. and the workers party. and the people's party. so many things we accept today, the social security, unemployment tax, progressive

tax, 40-hour week, ability to form unions all started with third parties. before they were picked up by a major party. even though third parties never won a national election. host: speaking of third party -- guest: the capitol citizen gives a voice to these people. host: speaking of third raert, r.f.k. jr. has said he will not bow out of the 2024 race, even if polling shows he would be a potential spoiler for president biden. you were criticized back in 2000 for being a spoiler for -- guest: mimi, spoiler is a bigoted word when it's directed only to third parties. look, we all have a right, equal, under the constitution to run for public office. local, state, and national. therefore we are all trying to get votes from one another. therefore we are either all

spoilers of one another or none of us are spoilers. i reject that phrase spoilers. i think that good ideas come from small candidates. for example, there is not going to be any presidential debates because the republican national committee has pulled out and trump doesn't want it. so that leaves a vacuum. no presidential debates? here's my idea. there are six states that are swing states, nevada, arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. the major cities in those states could invite the candidates for presidential debates. who doesn't want a debate in their city? the chamber of commerce, unions, civic groups, town hall they all want presidential debates because all the media coverage they get. so i have written to the mayors of these cities and asked them why don't you appoint a

multisupported citizens committee inviting the candidates, the two presidential debates, after the conventions are over. i got a response from the mayor of milwaukee, he's considering it. but the league of women voters, urban league, unions, the neighborhood groups they all want to get together. that way we can have questions asked regionally, questions often never asked by the choreographed presidential debates. that idea does not come from the two major parties. it comes from the grace roots -- grassroots. and that's why we want people to read our effort here in journalism which sort of compliments c-span. c-span covers the official proceedings of congress. floor debates and committees. i was a supporter of brian lamb way back when he started this wonderful institution.

and the capitol citizen covers unofficial journalism. most people don't know congress, they are not printing any hearings anymore. the libraries are not getting printed hearings of committee reports anymore. nobody's doing anything about that. go to capitol citizen dot-com. get your copies. spread the word. and reassert yourself because they work for you, people. members of congress all 535, work for you. and you got to make sure they work on your behalf and not on behalf of a few hundred giant corporations that turned capitol hill into a pile of campaign cash. host: mr. nader, if we can go back to the presidential election. age is a factor for both candidates. president biden and president trump. you're 90 years old now. what's your view on how old is

too old to serve as president? guest: depends on the person, doesn't it? it depends on the person. some people have infirmities that are not their fault. some people have a lucky choice of parents and have good genes. some people don't take care of themselves and it affects their mental and physical performance. it shouldn't be just on the number of years people have, it should be on whether they are functioning. not just in terms of cognitive capacity, but in terms of whether they are telling the truth. whether they stand for the people. whether they want to give voice to the people. whether they want to have a real democratic society. and not a phraouing to acy where the -- plutocracy where the few decide for many. host: mr. nader, you have been a

consumer advocate for a long time. i wonder what's the one accomplishment that you are most proud of. guest: in congress? host: just overall over the course of your career. guest: well, one the freedom of information act, which is only enforced by people using it. it's not enforced by the government to get government information, files, nursing home reports, meat and poultry inspection reports. just to give a few mundane things. auto safety. that was done back in 1965. look how fast congress -- in less than a year they had hearings -- i started out with zero support in congress to regulate the auto companies for safety, sphraougs control, and fuel efficiency within nine months or so after hearings in the senate and house and wonderful media coverage, they passed the auto and highway

safety laws which have saved over three million lives and countlessly more injuries in the u.s. and lifted up auto safety and other countries abroad who want the to sell cars in this country -- wanted to sell cars in this country. they don't do that anymore. they work three days a week and large recesses. they don't have the capacity, congressman pascrell from new jersey has written about this. congress has stripped its capacity to monitor the executive branch. to hold adequate hearings. have adequate staff. to build up the office of technology assessment and the government accountability office and the committee staffs. list all the things you want this country to become and ask yourself how many of them have to go through congress? they are either blocked by congress or facilitated. congress is the great gateway to the good life in america. that's the way the constitution

arranged it. congress has given up its authority to the executive branch. for example, they let trump defy over 120 subpoenas. other presidents defied subpoenas, but not that many. that's an impeachable offense. under our founders. they fought that the information function of congress was one of its most important authorities. congress has got to be made to wake up and it can be done by summons by the people back home to town meetings of their own making with the media there, reporter the agenda of the people, and a lot of left, right support. it's not divide and rule here. host: all right. ralph nader, consumer advocate and former presidential candidate. his publication is called capitol hill citizen. mr. nader, thanks so much. hope you had a good 90th birthday. guest: thank you very much. thanks c-span, and brian lamb of all. give him my best. host: will do.

go back to open forum now and take your calls. thomas a republican in raleigh, north carolina. good morning. caller: the question i have for you is everyone that's saying that basically russia's going to attack poland if we allow them to defeat ukraine, my question to you is, what in the world would russia attack poland when poland's never been a part of russia, ukraine was, and -- poland is part of nato. if they attack poland they are starting world war iii which is a nuclear war. why are we allowing the democrats, the congressman you had on earlier, and a lot of other people, to say if we don't send money to poland -- to

ukraine, then russia will attack poland. start world war iii which we all know is not true. host: all right. talk to alexandria, virginia. hi, aaron. caller: hi. so good hearing ralph nader. happy 90th to him. two things i hope i get a little bit of time. i decided to use my 30 day call to get some information, or more information about the gentleman who was on earlier in the week who was talking about the influx of migrants from china and the threat that china poses. i think that we are -- it was successful from russia to sort of embed themselves in our political discourse and create division. we've -- we see that evidently even with the callers here on c-span how we are one american against the other. the second thing that i wanted to bring up, look, if you have that person's name.

host: it's miles yu. caller: it was great hearing from him. i believe he's a trump cabinet. it was great hearing from him. the second thing, it sort of took me off topic. listening to callers coming in on the c-span audience, we are fortunate enough to be able to have this discourse where there are real people who have the ability to talk and listen to people from the other political spectrum. what i don't like, i constantly hear people calling in attacking the c-span host, i want to say what you guys can't say. i'll do it for you. number one, this is their chosen profession and they do a great job at it. number two, they are really not concerned in you doing the job for them. this is a discourse. open forum where we can talk to guests that they bring on. it is not their job to ask all the questions you want them to ask.

their job is to create a forum with respectful discourse. i hope that the rest of the callers remain vigilant in doing that so we can keep this forum open. i greatly appreciate you guys. i'll be calling you guys on the first of the month instead of randomly so i make sure i get in. thanks. host: thanks. lea in virginia. republican. good morning. caller: hi, good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i feel like everything going on in the country right now our current president, biden in office, this country has gotten to be a joke. the people no longer feel they have a voice. the government is having the voice and speaking out for the people and not allowing us people to make the decision. i just feel like to be quite frank that a lot of people in this country are probably really truly upset what's going on --

if they were sincere and trump won -- biden won last election, you can see all over the news it's kind of taken a turn to where trump is potentially going to win in office. one way or the other. i just feel like the people of the united states are in a uproar. at some point there has to be some change or i feel like the people will march on washington or protest and there could be a war within our country. it's gotten to be bad. host: lynn in silver spring, maryland. democrat. good morning. caller: thank you very much. thank you for c-span. do you still have the capitol hill citizen paper with you. guest: yes, i do. host: do you happen to have a phone number for them. i'm not online and i would advise everybody to read the printed word. if you read online all the time, you eventually lose your ability to read printed text.

host: you know what, don't have a phone number. i will get it for you, ok. we'll have one of our producers find a phone number. caller: ok. all right. i appreciate it. there is a rally this weekend at the israeli embassy, a pro-palestinian rally, especially focused on the people in jaffa. bless your heart. i appreciate all you do. host: johnny in granite falls, washington, independent. caller: yes, good morning. i wanted to say first of all i think i want to echo the man who said you guys do a wonderful job. i especially like you as a moderator. you do a very good job handling calls. i had two points. my call was actually generated by a man who called earlier. kind of being insulting to people who disagree with trump. and saying that we need an i.q. test and things like that. i think that he should take a look at who donald trump is.

when i haerd him last week compare himself to navalny who is being buried as we speak, i was appalled. this man was a national hero. and for donald trump to compare himself to that man is just outrageous. the second point is, listening to nader while i was online waiting on the phone, it was really nice to hear from him again. i was one of the people who voted for him in 2000. i am -- i call on the independent line because i consider myself a nonpartisan. i think the two parties have way too much power. that's why i'm not affiliated with a party. i never have been. i wanted to make that comment after hearing him speak. and again i would just like to say to the man who called earlier about donald trump and people who disagree with him, he's a terrible tern. and he really needs to be september away from the white house -- kept away from the

white house. thanks. host: do i have that phone number for the capitol hill citizen for the caller that just asked about it. it's 202-656-7660 if you are not online and would like to order a copy. if you are online it's capitol hill citizen dot-com. barbara next in raleigh, north carolina. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good. caller: i have been for years trying to get a call through. i couldn't believe it. then i said, well, it must be fate that i'm calling and say what i think. i respect all the people who have called in before for their opinions. one of the things that i continually find when i listen to them, a lot of them, and when i talk to folks around the community, is that they really don't know what kind of government we have, really.

and they don't appreciate it. and if they love this former president so much, then they should all get tickets with him and go to russia and understand what he's trying to do. we cannot afford to have him back in the white house. he is nothing but a cult leader. and he's got all the people around him for the most part -- he's got them transformed into believing he is the leader of all leaders. and the others who aren't transformed are doing it out of greed, money, and power. they think is power. it's unfortunate. i hope that segues me into saying i hope that our schools will go back to teaching civics so that we will have people who grow up to be adults to

understand what our pub republic is about and -- republic is about and the system it is we use to govern our republic. i found in listening to the farmer guy, he doesn't even know what our system is. he doesn't have an understanding of it. i doubt he's ever read the constitution of our country. host: all right, barbara. staying in north carolina, to advance north carolina, republican. marcy, good morning. caller: yes. thanks for taking my call. as i was listening to congressman ruster ford -- rutherford, i just heard the uni party speaking. all these people that are calling and blasting democrats and republicans. they are all the same. you had-tkaeurpbt remember what the number 70 to 80 of the representatives yesterday actually voted for what they say

they stand for. there is a famous democrat statement that says, i love it when republicans in the majority, nothing changes. but republicans get the blame for it. yesterday the majority of republicans voted to fund what they say they are against. so the house has the power of the purse. if they are so against this stuff, why do they continue to fund it? host: all right. let's talk to temple hills, maryland, republicans. caller: yes. you deserve respect. i have heard some callers earlier. i think you have a nice program. and you deserve better. they were asking about questions to go in more details. i think they are doing a good job. we all deserve respect. and i like your show. and i wanted to wish nader a happy 90th birthday.

and i'm an old-fashioned republican. i'm still registered. i have family members that want me to change from republican. but i'm an old -- miss the old-fashioned debates we had and i wanted to let you -- and donald trump needs to know that he came from immigrants and we all deserve better. host: have you decided who you are going to vote for in november? caller: i would be voting for joe biden. and i don't appreciate the trials that -- i have a half sister that's 82, briefly, and you know, she doesn't like either candidate. and i just know the basic

information from donald trump's history. and my dad was a federal agent. and he testified a small fraction of the watergate. and there is a newspaper article in my -- i believe my sister has it out in new mexico. i just miss the old republican debates. i wish you and your staff the best. wanted to make sure nader got his happy birthday. host: appreciate that. programming note for you. cong up in about 15 minutes, at 10 a.m. eastern, house policy advocates discuss the future of the affordable care act. and the differences between the initial goals of the act and how it has been implemented. hosted by the american enterprise institute. watch that discussion live at 10 a.m. eastern on c-span right here. c-span now, our free mobile video app, or online at c-span.org. that's going to be right after a very quick house pro forma

session at 10 a.m. eastern. we'll roll right into that discussion about the affordable care act. lou in world, oregon. democrat. caller: great to hear ralph nader and wish him a happy birthday. i'm in oregon. i'm someone when i moved here to go to reed college was one of the state secretary organizers with the public interest research group. oregon and vermont were the two states that first started out with those. started by ralph nader. three things i want to agree with ralph on he mentioned and disagree with the fourth. depending on time constraints. in terms of grassroots organizing and initiatives, in oregon some of us have formed portland gray panthers. in connection in succession to aurbburg. the gray panthers were started by maggie kuhn, someone ralph

nader met and supported. we have three out of oregon becoming state by state projects. one of them is creating a campaign to have a postage stamp made for maggie kuhn. she's not famous like gloria steiner or maxine waters. she started the panthers. two, we are organizing and getting endorsements as far away from washington d.c. for the wal-mart boycott to end gun violence. three specific demands in connection with that. to push congress to pass a ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. and in three, there is a project we have been doing with local elected officials and candidates, called the civic engagement project. if people might be interested in either of those in other states, the contact number is 503-222-2974 in portland. what i want to disagree with ralph nader on, he'll be the first one to say this is the right to disagree, he'll agree

with the process. which is about the idea of spoilers. he said that he thinks that spoiler is not a useful term. i disagree completely with that. i am someone that voted for ralph nader in 2000. i don't regret it based on what state i was in. in the current election, there is a clear choice between biden and trump. for organizers in oregon and many other places were totally for biden-harris 2024. thank you. host: dianne huntingtonburg, indiana. independent line. caller: yes. hello. thank you for all you do. i love your channel. i wanted to say i am an independent because i only vote on policies. and president trump has wonderful policies. everything. i loved everything he did. and biden is wrecking the country. the main issue is the illegals

coming in. they should come in legal. host: all right. anything else? caller: yes. thank you for everything you do. host: i wanted to ask you about what you just said about that you want the immigrants to come in legally. president trump during his administration cut down on legal immigration. what some critics are saying is, when you close down or limit legal immigration, people are going to come in illegally. what do you think about that specifically about legal immigration? caller: president biden, with the stroke of a pen, executive order, he can shut the board you are down you now. we have a mess. over 10 million illegals. 150 countries. they are not all good. there is a lot of bad in there. there is a lot of good and a lot

of bad. i'm very upset about this child trafficking. human trafficking. the cartels. the fentanyl. he shouldn't blame the house. the house passed a bill 10 months ago it went flat. on the desk. they had a good bill passed. host: got it. gary in newport, connecticut, republican. caller: that's kentucky. host: i'm so sorry. it says kentucky in front of me. caller: make it in a nutshell. close the border. build the wall. no biden 24. and please, elect nikki haley as president. host: tell me why you like nikki haley, gary. caller: because she's young. experienced. we don't have anybody in the white house that could do that job.

right now. elected or not elected. she's young, experienced, these guys are too old. host: do you think former president trump is also too old? caller: yeah. i think they are too old. i think there ought to be a limit on how old you have to be before you can run. i think it should be, 70. host: how old are you, gary? caller: 70. host: ok. minnesota, independent. caller: hi. host: go ahead. caller: a few weeks ago i was amazed at the media coverage. do you remember when the press secretary came out early, it was like a very early morning press conference, unusually. host: tell me about it. caller: well, they were talking about joe biden's cognitive ability. and all the media shut down that

thing. i checked c-span. fox. cnn. everyone kind of put -- blocked it out. they did a news blackout on those first few minutes. they only came back to joe biden, to the press conference when they were talking not about his cognitive ability. it was after that they went into different line of questioning. but it was obvious to me that there was a news blackout on that, including c-span. i would have thought c-span would cover a news conference at the white house. host: you know, we would never do an intentional blackout. you know that, right? at c-span. caller: i don't know that. i trust you and say, yes. i am so distrustful of anything i see on tv. host: what do you like?

what's the media you like to consume? caller: i like alex jones and info wars. i think that's the most relevant news source i can think of. host: do you think he's the most trustworthy news source is alex jones info wars? caller: yes. host: what else, peter? what else do you look at? caller: i watch the mainstream media. and it's like william burrow said when you read "the new york times," you have to read between the lines. you have to sneak all this propaganda with a grain of salt. i think -- host: rick in gulf breeze, florida, democrat. caller: well, i was wondering when you guys would finally get to me. i don't know what planet these people are living on. it's over. democracy is dying in slow motion. we are sitting here and watching it. i have asked time and time

again. in march of 2020, then the cares act, trump and steve mnuchin took $500 billion of the taxpayers' money. to this day we don't know where that money went. how much of our money went to the heritage foundation for their project 2025? how much of our money would stop the border to cause as much chaos for this biden as they could cause. the problem at the border is not that it's an open border. the problem at the border is the republicans. how much of our money gets down there to incentivize human traffickers to cause chaos at our border. host: where are you getting this, rick? the u.s. government funding went to the cartels to incentivize them to cross the border? caller: when trump signed the cares act in march of 2020, he wouldn't sign it unless he got $500 billion to give to

different organizations that he wanted to give to. there was a lot of contentious debate back and forth in congress as to whether or not they were going to let him have that money to give to different companies that he wanted to give to. finally congress and nancy pelosi said, ok. we'll go ahead and do that. we are going to assign an inspector general to see how that money's spent. a week after that, trump fired that inspector general and told him that he was not to report to congress how trump spent that money. he was to report to congress what trump wanted him to report to congress as to how he spent that money. and then in the press conference when asked who would oversee the spending of that $500 billion, donald trump said he would oversee it. steve in a mnuchin, secretary of the trerbry, was asked by a member of congress what happened to that money? he laughed and said it was a secret. where did our money go? it's not surprising to me that donald trump still has power.

look what $500 billion can buy. host: all right. we got your point. anna in emerald isle, north carolina, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. that caller, oh, my goodness, that blew me away. i just -- when trump was in office we had the best economy for everyone in america. and i don't understand why such visceral against this man. we -- the border was secure. and people don't realize just how many people have really come into this country. millions and millions of illegals. and i don't -- i have nothing against immigration. i love it. and everybody has an opportunity. but you got to do it the legal way. we can't sustain this. look at the major cities with all the crime.

plus that child in georgia, it broke my heart. we have got to do better as america. we got to get our economy back. and i just feel under this democratic rule that we have just crumbled. and we have never been more divisive. ever. and we all got to come together. and make our country -- make america great again. that's exactly what donald trump's going to do. i thank you for taking my call. host: line for the democrats, granite city, illinois. jean. caller: -- gene. caller: yes, how you doing today? i'm calling, i did want to say if congress would do their part, and do their work, and start putting bills on the floor, they got a lot of bills that say they have, but they are not putting them on the floor, to a vote. then some of the action will get going. also you take care of the senior citizens and retirees they

promise they are going to do. your show is real good. i love your topic. you all do your research real good. host: i appreciate that, gene. that's the time that we have got. we'll take you over to the house for a very quick pro forma session. we will see you again tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. eastern here on the "washington journal." thanks for watching. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy visit ncicap.org] the speaker pro tempore: the house will beed in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the s