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but we begin on election 2024. there are still primaries to pie shifted their focus to their november general election and with 239 days to go until election day, we want to he loog presidential rematch. if you support president biden, phone number is 202-748-8000. if you support former president trump, 202-748-8001, if you support nei and if you're still undecided at this point, 202-748-8003. you could also send us a text this morning and catch up with us on social media on x at @cspanwj and on facebook on facebook.com/cspan. this is the headline from theto.

biden and trump go on the attack in dueling georgiants. both speaking to crowds of supporters there. georgia set to be a key state once again in the november somet biden had to say in atlanta. pres.iden: you know you're the reason we're going to win. donald trump has a different constituency. here's a guy who's off his campaign on the road with marjorie taylor greene. it can tell you a lot about he . and yesterday he was hosting at his club, doesn't think democracy works. call him a fantastic leader, seriously. he's been sucking up the wind -- well, anyway.

he said the north korean dictator wrote him a beautiful letter. he bragged about calling him he called putin. he says do whatever the hell you want to our allies. i'm not making ese otp. but he says he wants to be a dictator. i believe him. host: that was president bide yesterday in atlanta, georgia. he spoke for about 20 minutes yesterday after his state of the union address in which he spoke for over an hour. donald georgia, yesterday, speaking to his supporters. it is the congressman taylor green. this is what the former president had to say yesterday. >> if you're a disillusions democrat, i extend an open

invitation and i ask you to join us on the noble quest of saving our country, saving our country. together we will turn the page forever on the miserable nightmare of th biden presidency. what a presidency, what a president. the most incompetent we've ever had. the worst president, the most corrupt. other than that, ink he's doing quite a good job. and we will make america great again.wb two nights ago, we all joe's rae of the union address. it didn't bring us together. it brings the country together. i'm going to bring it together.

no, no. he■ba6m said threat to democrac. he's a threat to democracy. weaponize the government. weaponize the d.o.j. he's a threat to democracy. host: former president trump. that was yesterday in rome, georgia. we're asking your view of biden-trump rematch setting up for 2024 in november. if you support joe biden, 202-748-8000 is the number. if you support donald trump, 202-748-8001. if you support neither, 202-748-8002. and if undecided at this point, 202-748-8003. here's one headline on that rematch or rerun as the "new york times" refers to it in biden-trump rerun, neither is the face of change. taking your phone calls. joe's up first out of ames,

iowa. good morning. caller: good morning. top of the morning to you. yeah, i support joe biden because hlc about my children and any grandchildren and donald trump is a criminal and we all know that interactionist and if we had a national vote by the american people, they would tell the government the corrupt politicians and donald trump is an intersexist period. -- interre-election period. host: are you concerned about his poll number? caller: those are trump's repeated lies. that's all he does is lie. host: that's joe in ames, iowa. fox news poll cond january found that 51% of

registered voters in georgia said that they would support donald trump while just 43% saie biden. paul's next out of louisiana for those who support donald trump. good morning. caller: yes. i'm supporting donald trump■ç fr president. host: and why, paul? caller: well, one, if there's any it's on abortion. when they from roe v. wade 63 -- abortions are handed out and they're still being handed out. and he is a says he is, i don't think the

republicans -- no, the church has changed his -- their opinion on abortion. and yet he calls himself a catholic. what aok that? host: paul in louisiana. yesterday in georgia, president this is what he had to say. pres. biden: look, in my state of the union address, i talked about social worker in alabama. doing the ivf treatment for a second child but alabama shut it down. but her family's got it should never happen and folks, folks, you know why this happened. i'll tell you why. donald trump. he brags about it.

well he got his. abortion, rape and incest victims are leaving their state to get help. and now donald trump have a national ban on abortion. well, hear me loud and clear. not on my watch! the supreme court wrote women are not without electoral or political power. as i said atf the union, they ain't seen nothing yet. they're about to see just like we saw in the ballot in 2022 and 2023 and they'll find out again in 2024.

i'm deadly earnest about georgia, i have a message for you. send me a congressman that supports the constitution, i will resto v wade. host: that was president biden yesterday in georgia. some of those lines that the president used continuing those lines the state of the union on his campaign trail. joe biden and donald trump both in georgia. georgia isld its primary on tuesday this coming week. taking your calls, your view of another biden-trump match-up. to that undecided line, joe in

florida. good caller: yeah, thanks for taking my call. i was undecided. i thought i would never vote for donald trump. i was undecided whether i would do haley or biden. but now i'm convinced that it will never be trump. what happened with the rndc where trump is now taking complete control of it and proved positive is the rebuttal by theht after the state of the union about what happened with molestation that was done in mexico. host: so joe, you are a joe biden supporter. you're not undecided at this point? caller: i'm undecided in the fact that i wouldn't vote for trump but if ano r play, i probd consider that. but i'm having a real tough time

now with trump or i should say controlled by donald trump. whatever what happens happens and like i said, with his -- what happened after the rebuttal speech was absolutely 100% w ord by donald trump and it's really, really sad that the republicans have gone down to this level. so i probably would not vote for a republican host: this is tennessee, garrett, thane for those who support joe biden. go ahead. caller: well, hello, jon. i'm a bidenupporter. i grew up in new jersey. and i've witnessed both candidates in actions. i've seen biden and i've read

about him, everything from the "baltimore sun" to "the new york daily news" and i've seen what he's done for delaware. and i also seen donald trump as i grew up in new jersey with his casinos and various business interests. and due to the character and the business interests and the civic service that biden has done, i choose him over mr. trump. i look at it this way. if i'm in a casino and i'm at the blackjack table and i'm dealt 20's all the time and the deal is 21, i'll move away. i' losses. go out either to the sidewalk or i find another table. i find a biden table. you have better luck there. thank you. host: president biden talked

about the united workers in his state of the union. what did you think of what he had to say and whether the union workers will come out for joe■' biden in november? >> i decided to vote for joe. of course you can vote for who you decide to vote that's in your interest but he has the interest of the working man, a little bit more than mr. trump. i'm not sure if you lean that way. he seems to be favorable to unions and seems middle class his priority. i look at the actions of the four years of the trump presidency and i look at these last three and a half years of the biden presidency. and again, i look back into the futures. but i'm 66 years old. and like i said, i was in new

jersey with both of these the n, looking at what they did. host: got your point. joanne's next out of the buckeye state. that who support donald trump go. ahead. joanne, you with us? caller: yes. host: go ahead and turn your television down for me. it is easier to talk through the phone. you want to go ahead, joanne? caller: yeah, for one, groceries is higher tha is higher than he. people can't make it. host: and that's why you're supporting donald trump? caller: yes. donald trump is the only one that gave anybody any damn he gave people stimulusheck

first. host: joanne in ohio. to manhattan, that line for those who support neither joe biden or donald trump. sophia. go ahead. caller: good morning, jon. host: good morning. i've been ae all my life. i'm 73 years old. i'll be november 18. jon, i had the most beautiful night thursday. president biden, what came out his mouth, he gave me a hop thet decided to work for him. but he gave me a good night's st night, the only station that aired it was c-span.

thank you for c-span. we got to know everything. what came out of president trump -- [indiscernible] it's like we are dead. like we are finished. we are not finished. we are alive. i wish his children say something to him. make his point to be a president again. but i'm going to leave you alone, jon. but thank you for c-span. i had to let it out of me. i always love you. i will love you every one of yot job. host: thank you, sophia.

here's more of what donald trump had to stay on the issue of immigration in this country. >> but just momentss just befory just told me prior to with a i'm doing right now that joeogized s murderer and illegal. he didn't want to call him illegal -- he said he should have called him an undocumented, not an illegal and he wanted to apologize. he wanted to apologize and -- well, they have a new name, too. they have a new name. u what the new name is. neighbor. they want to call him neighbor. they want to call him another name.

did you ever hear the other one? newcomer. a newcomer to our country. are we going crazy or what? is this country going crazy? the newcomer.t no, he was illegal. he illegal migrant. and he shouldn't have been in our country and he never would policy.en under the trump host: donald trump yesterday in rome, georgia. the story he was referring to by saying that he regretted a migrant an illegal in his state of the union address. and you'll remember that exchange he had with some of those in the audienceg the state of the union address getting a lot of replays. that specific clip if the you

want to watch you can do so of course on our website at c-span.org. caller: i'm a from a very heavily democratic party but i switched party two years ago for so many reasons and now there's so many more that i'm glad i did. the border crisis is unbelievable. flying illegals intohe country from mexico. that's really unbelievable that they would do something like that. and i'm a senior citizen.

the economy is horrible under president biden. support our troops. support our gun rights. abortion. abortions up until the day of delivery has been unbelievable as well. and i'm going to rget but i totally support president trump. we have to get past some of the things that he says and think about the things that he and our people. i think he is truly a good man that they're trying to persecute. i think he was raised in a family that talks and says some of the things he says but basically, i think he's a very . host: on the economy, just to throw down on that for a little bit, we got a job report sayinge added in this country in

february, another strong month, what is specifically about the economy that you think is not going well? call the grocery store. fill up your gas tank. it's not doing well. what jobs? have you heard what jobs? i haven't, really. people are struggling. and the electric cars, my goodness. who wants those electric cars? like president trump says and i always call him president trump drill, baby, drill. come on, support the country. host: you asked what jobs, that. to the bureau of labor statistics allows you to look at where the jobs were created and what the jobs were. health care added 67,000 jobs in february, above the average monthly gain of 58,000, over the

past employment rose by 52,000 in february. that's about is the average over the past year. employment in food services and drinking place 42,000 in february. social assistance jobs added 24,000 jobs in february. and employment in transportation and warehouse and roads by 20,000 in february. some of the specific numbers from that bureau statistics if you want to look at it. this is carla, phoenix, arizona. good morning. biden supporter. caller: good morni ahead. caller: ok. yeah, i support biden because i have logical thoughts. i'm a god fearing and i don't believe in supporting criminals. biden gave a reallyoo■1ú■0d spch yesterday. he was talking about including all and that's what america's built on, all. so, i think he did a reay good

job.d he's given us hope where i was losing hope because of all the people that followed trump. it was making me wonder what kind oamerica are we living in? third class? third world? it just seems like it just -- everything about america based o follow a narcissistic criminal. host: that speech on thursday that you referred to as■> a turn towards the general election and in another sign that it is each. the joe biden campaign launched a $30 million advertising campaign in the first ad. here it is. pres. biden: i'm not a young guy. that's no secret but i know how to get things done for the

american people. country througe covid crisis. today, we have the strongest economy of the world. i passed the law forowñrt prescription drug prices. for four years, donald trump tried to pass his infrastructure law and he failed. i got it done.'re rebuilding am. i passed the biggest law in history to combat climate change because our future depends on it. donald trump took awaywomen who. i'm determined to make roe v wade the law of the land again. donald trump believes the job on e esid of donald trump. i believe the job of the president is to fight for you, the american people and that's what i'm doing. i'm joe biden andl approve this message. >> can we do one more take? >> look, i'm very young, energetic and handsome. why am for? host: the campaign ad from the biden campaign released yesterday. joe biden headed to new

mp the weeks ahead. the president and the former president both in georgia yesterday and we're talking about your view of a rematch between the two of them in november. on that undecided line, stephen, lexington, kentucky, what's going to make you decide, stephen? where does it meown to? caller: oh, man, this is a tough one, you know? it's definitely how they could do with morality and ethics. trump has some morality and ethics. he lied. he stole. but the way joe biden's h our e- the middle east crisis. it's wild. these two awful people. it's not fair. and it's getting to the point where we're going up in the

air and landing 50-50. it shoul't it's ridiculous. i voted joe back in the day. i just don't know anymore. host: what do you think it comes down to? is it going to■ be who you're feeling less down about on election day? caller: yeah. it will come down to election day. i know a lot omy members want me to vote for trump. my wife wants me to vote for biden, but it really will come down to election dayaybe last second news, who knows? but i can't decide right now. there's too much misinformation. too many things going on at once. it's one. host: that's stephen in lexington, kentucky. 239 days out from the general good morning. joe biden supporter. caller: thank you, jon. and thank you for those statistics you gave a couple of minubout the jobs.

this is record job production, good jobs which were fleeing america. they're coming back. the republican talking points are sous they talk about the high price of gas and groceries. we have the lowest gas prices in the developing world. it's 50%, 60% more in canada. europe, it's like twice as much or more. these are -- the economy is doing great. people are doing the roads are crowded. there is no problem with gasoline. we are exporting gasoline. talko bogus.

biden has humor. trump cannot even get off his stupid representative -- he's like a broken record. and when they say make america great again, i wondered they don't think it's great and theys or jim crow? what -- again, you are involved in■e -- host: you talk about people are doing great but people think this country is on the wrong track. so a couple more statistics for you. it's been -- this isrom the "new york times" story today on the campaign. it's been 20 years dating to the invasion of iraq since more americans thought the nation was headed in the right direction than the wrong direction. and the nation's direction has topped 70% continuously for the past three years. never before in that poll's history have so many ver for so.

i guess my question is why do you think that is? caller: ok, good question. th bogus. it's so ambiguous, just the question and the answer is so am biggous. -- ambiguous. all these talking points are pushing. they're always complaining about we should be called homocomplainians or something. we complain about everything. trump, he is masterful at one thing, making these ambiguous vague meaningless things stick and his nicknames he calls people. we should never call him by his name. crybaby trump or donny doofus or something.

the mainstream media is starting to say like trump says, "people are saying sleepy echoing trump's idiotic juvenile name calling. we should never say his name without some kind of true -- host: that's roy in north carolina. diana is in new jersey, trum supporter. go ahead. caller: hi, good morning. host: good morning. caller: i support trump because. now, me, i'm from the lower class. i am struggling, paycheck. when trump was in office, i didn't. i didn't have to. you know? thintten increasingly high. there's a lot going on. and i don't want base

-- the fact that you said that joe biden having how many jobs in february? host: economy added 275,000 jobs in february, another month of gains. caller: in february. where were those 275,000 jobs when he started the first three years? why did it■y have to in the fourth year? host: there's been job gains every month since the joe biden presidency. the jobs gain numbers -- the job number come out each month the bureau of labor statistics. caller: right. and you mentioned that most sign february. host: not the most -- not the biggest number. that was the number of last month. caller: ok. i understand that. however, these things are getting■.73rw especially being a millennial.

you know, like it's crazy. it's crazy out here for us. most of us got even make a dece, living under biden presidency. we can't make a decent living. what's the point of going to school? what's the point of doing any of these things? he talks about how he can make things better for us. how he can make the economy better. you know, bring our -- back. i work in the health care sector. did joe biden support our union? does he protect our jobs? no. host: that's diana in cedar brook, new jerse■ february marks the 38th consecutive month of job growth. that's the fifth longest period of employment expansion on record. the cnn story on that also

noting that the■,h consecutive month that the jobless rate has been below 4%. that's the longest stretch in more than 50 years. those numbers, again, from the . you can look them up yourself, bls.gov. jo supporting neither candidate. why? caller: i'm going to not support joe biden for 100% and i'm not sure about the other side. i don't think that they're going to vote for trump because they're trying to do him in. but i want to know why the democrats want us to not bel lys great. ukraine's going to win. more money is going to fix the environment? it's pretty funny. atios since joe biden got in office. and our raise is up 13%. we're paying 4% more for everything and people -- we're

having to struggle, everybody. i mean, why am i not supposed to believe mlying eyes and the democrats complaining giving -- he thinks they're ridiculous.t e getting anything done. guys ruined everything. and i want to hear about theses do while -- dog whistles. the supreme court being bad and all the republans are maga extremists with their sexist, hate the air they can earth, the land, the wind, water, everything. and i mean, come on, let's be serious. it's going to turn around. i don't know. got to happen but we can't keep voting for this fool.

he's so braindead. everybody knows it. and they talk about he's noteep. he's number one. he's doing great for us. if that's what you want to believe. but don't believe your lying eyes because americans aren't smart enough to know how good we got it. tell the uneducated people that are seeing this. do all the -- host: got your point. that's j massachusetts. sam is in rome, georgia. it is where donald trump was yesterday. sam calling line for biden supporters. sam, where was that rally yesterday? caller: good morning, and thanks for c-span. the rally yesterday was in downtown rome at a place called the forum. it's a city-owned propert holdso 4,000 seats -- 3500 to seats. one of the things that anybody

has ever been to a trump rally, especially in a smaller community like thiha people that are on the fringes. in the community when trump comes to town and this is his second when he comes to town, not maybe infiltrate into the forum he spoke yesterday but in the ou see the klan members, you see the neo-nazis, you see the proud boys and all of these -- host: you saw these people yesterday, sam? caller: no, we didn't see them yesterday because my people, the people that i know, my family and friends, we're out. because we know that elementary is there. the last time he was here, we saw them and knew they were he. so it was nothing. so this time, we took the -- and say we're not going out this time. but last time, the klan was setting up sol of the retail outlets here.

so wenew. so while he was speaking, i mean, we talk about taking cognitive tests and all of those things between biden and trump,p speak, his message is all over the place. i mean, it's almost as if■c he's -- you cannot -- he talks on one topic and then he jumps to another topic and another topic and my goodness. he needs medication to slow it down. because he's always jumping from topic to topic to topic and he never slows down so much those are my who points. and you think he's confident enough to be the leader of the free world when he can't stay on topic and he can't stay focused. we are in deep trouble then. that's my point, jon. host: that's sam in■v roam,

georgia. biden said he was going to change the jobs decision and land. and i said to myself, what god is he talking about? jesus said lifeand then i rememe bible says that the god in this world is in the destruction of babies and the unborn all the way up to the day of delivery. so when i heard that, i said to

myself he serves a different god than i serve. i've decided whether to ask god to damn his soul into the fires of hell forever because it says in the book of revelation that all murders shall have their part. host: all right. host: mark in indiana.re damned joanne, connecticut. good morning. you're next. caller: good morning. good morning people need to look at donald trump differently. he did a great job when he was president. i'm a senior. people never go to new york because it's so dangerous. he made this country a lot

better. he's the only president that walked out the guys that we have in there now, he's been taking money from all different countries. he's compromised. have spy -- going over. the inflation is crazy. and you know what? over 4%.uring jobs we're not better off at all. you have to ask yourself. donald trump's good for all people and all -- i don't know what to say. it's crazy. and these crowds that he has to go through. everyone can see -- trials that he has to go through. everyone can see they're bogus. everyone thinks their property is worth more than what it is. it's up to the bank. he's the boss. whetherhi ypr and how much you can borrow. this is bizarre.

and the illegal aliens are here because of the census. and that needs to be changed because they're getting representation. and that's all i have to say.jus were four years ago under donald trump. his policies worked. there were no wars. now the war is on and he's going to get us all killed because the people around him are crazy. they're you. host: the ad was debuted talking about joe biden and age. here's that 30-second ad. ♪

>> i guess i should clear my mind here a little bit. >> we can all see joe biden's weakness. if biden wins, can he even survive until; 2029? the real question is -- can we?p alliance super p.a.c. from thursday when that one debuted. this is guy for supporters of joe biden, monroe, north carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple of issues. now where these trump people get their distorted -- well, i guess i do know. they get it from distorted infoe internet. but i'm amazed that republicans sit back and they want to criticize women for getting abortions because they need

them. but yet, you look at them and tell them that people are■ dying from covid and you need to get a shot so we can prevent this or wear a mask on our face, something as simple mean, they freak out over it. and i don't understand how joe biden can get blamed for two thy really involved in. i mean, we should try to stop them. we should help ukraine. i really am confused. i don't understand the people in this country. and by the way, i'm indigenous. so when they talk about illegals coming in, they're talking about theirselves and at the might want to think about that. they really might want to think about that. joe biden didn't bring any rapist in and i'll say this. just like donald trump didn't when immigrants came over. so, stop blaming him for what

takes to blame him for everything. i don't understand it. host: that's guy in carolina. trump support. good morning. caller: good morning. the reason calling in is because i'm watching everything. i only can speak i agree with president trump about -- the immigration problem. i happen to be, you know, this generation, hispanic, but that situation is ridiculous. i was p why daughter. she's now in her 20's. but my information was being dee hospital being a citizen.

i was told that i couldn't even go into labor and deliver. they said show me my social. so this was -- i just i blamed president trump on that. host: rick's next in wolverine state. that line for those who want neither candidate. go ahead, rick. caller: yeah. i just want to know where the outreach is for the choices we have right now and for the presidency. it's ridiculous. i think our election model need to get proactive and start putting out petitions to get our el is i think we're allowed to do that, i don't know. but i think it's pretty sad that we have have right now. not only for president and the

people that are in our government can put up every last one of them. we need to vote them all out of the office and clean house. we can bring the swamp■%y voting. so that's all i have to say. host: that's rick in michigan. this is matt in iowa. good morning. you're next. caller: good morning. how are yodo to reiterate what others have spoken about the maga people followingl& trump. trump got into office, all they ar is they prey on these people. i don't know if it's just the education or because they watch alternative news and they're not getting the true facts, they prey on these people just how bad the timing all is doing, how biden is. that speech he had the other night was one of the best speeches i've seen in any presidency that's been, you know, over the last 20 years.

he did a great job. like i said, i t they just prey on these people. what suggestion -- one suggestion is someone called in asking w the education level. and another idea that i don't know if you can do this, but when you're doing overseas calls, if we could ever have that, maybe once a month, it would be interesting to get their -- i think the american people would be very surprised calls especially about election coming up. host: i taken a international call in this segment. so, i would be happy to heom foe watching, if you are watching overseas, please do call in and give us your thoughts. matt, what's your educational level? caller: i'm actually, i am a college graduate. i graduated in public relations.

start getting some especially ln pbs and stop watching fox news and all these alternatives where r pbs shows showings frontline europe. they've gone through this stuff. host: matt, what's your theory for why soy people for so long now think this country is going in the wrong direction? is on the wrong caller: they do see the country moving forward. we've had pandemic that we've not had for 100 years. one thg people criticize is the economy are just the dump and the oil. that we're not producing enough.

we're producing more oil than we ever have under the biden administration. we're coming out of this pandemic since the pandemic than any other country so far. i mean, i jus-- getting balds information. -- bad information. and the republican party use that to ■utheirdvantage. and we have to play hardball to get our message out a little bit better. host: that's matt, a wine maker in iowa. this is ross in the "new york times," taking a look at the reasons for joe unpopularity according to polls. he says it's hard to explain why is presidency is a political flop. some history here when trying to explain poor presidential when things went south, there was usually a clear theory of what was happening.

it was understood to refleck the flurry. the story was about iraq and hane when barack obama was at his polling,here was a clear media narrative about his lack of discipline in the white house scandal. -- the todays, a theory about biden's unpopularity. less tan 10 minutes left in this first segment of the "washington

journal." taking your calls you of a biden-trump rematch in november. we are 239 days away from election day. jacqueline in philly. orning. caller: good morning. i'm voting for trump. i voted for him the last time also. i think he's a very strong man. and i'm not crazy about joe biden. i may be 70 years along joe bidi wrote a song about donald trumph . and he just seems like the average american guy that they wo and that would descend my rights on the streets. i don't know. he sound down to trump. i love all his ideas. i think he got caught up that time when they all those k

went running down to the capitol. i don't think he meant for them to do that. he's not that kind of man. host: jacqueline, you% started y saying he's a strong man. what do you mean? caller: i just don't think he's a strong man, think they misunderstood him that time when they went to the capitol. and of course, t news made it out of proportion. he got the wall built. him alone, he would have gotten done. i just -- i hope he can make it because he should be underdog and i feel like i'm the underdog too, you know? so i would vote for him again. host: that's jacqueline in philadelphia. this is dennis in washington, up early. undecided. what is your decision going to come down to, dennis? caller: well, i'm a republican,

usually, but i'm a veteran of the vietnam era. i'm 70 years old. itu4hers me that trump avoided the draft. it bothers me the things that he had said about mccain, about haley's husband serving, about the serviceman that said he knew what he signed up for. i just don't feel that say all a good american?just don't understand. and biden? i think he could have done things better on the border. i think other things could be good. but if i'm buying gas in washington, it's way worse here than anywhere i'm doing good he. i'm retired. and things are going well. it takes a president a few things to get on track from what

he no matter what president you are. host: sounds like you're going to a joe biden supporter, dennis. ca: no, i wouldn't say that. i would say i'm either going to be a write-in candidate or not vote at all. because i guess if i was to -- i'm in more favor of biden than trump but i have reservations on both of them.out trump talking about patriots. i mean, for him to say that it was -- i can't remember. i think it was mccain saying he got caught, you know. he got captured. it just bothers me to the core that he talks about our veterans. i lost my favorite vietnam in 1969, may 23. it just bothers me that people can talk badly abour

servicemen. it just bothers me badly. host: that's dennis in washington. just a couple of minutes left here in this first segment of "washingto journal." it's a three-hour program today as always. this is rick in altoona, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: hi. what i'm senate. they were going to pass a bill to send the immigrants back to wherever they came steal or som. the democrats all voted to keep them in our country and let them steal. those states where they came from should because they did that and if those immigrants steal, they going to start killing people, too. the people in the united states that have kids and stuff, they're going to say hey, they can do it, we can do it.

and our country's really going to get bad. host: you're a trump supporter,. uh-huh. host: ok. that's rick in pennsylvania. this is melissa in new york. good morning. you're next. caller: hi, good morning. i'm not going to be -- for the first time in my life, i'm going to be supporting a democrat. host: and why? caller: because i think that joe biden's proven himself as far as his policies and thing that he's done in this admistrion to better our country. i can tell you from first-hand experience that my husband's wages have become better. my medication prices have gone down. i voted for trump in 2016 because i've been lifelong republican. but i regret my decision and i did notr him in 2020. i also didn't vote for biden. but for the first time, i may be voting democrat in the

presidential election because i'm seeing that joe biden is a much better leader and trump quite frankly scares me. i think he's a terrorist. and i think that if he loses the election again, he and his supporters are probably going to try to repeat january, know, the january 6 insurrection and i hope that our government has more security in him. host: this is in new york. caller: good morning. i'm supporting joe biden. he's an elderly person. as hes, he's old but he has 50 years of experience and he knows where all the bodies are buried. and in this democratic s people trade issues back and forth. and that's why i think he was able to do his infrastructure ae

things and that he's had indicating for all of us. -- advsñoc to the "washington journal" every morning and i'm very troubled sometimes when i hear the comments of people who seem to be repeating gossip and their own personal misinformation that they're touting as gospel too. this business about reproductive rights. people bring up dogma and their religious opinions but those are things that you learn in church and those are decisions that you deal w■pit your priest, your rabbi or your pastor and your own particular religious opinions should not or on the rest of the country that may or may not be primarily secular and do not beliefs.

it's very, very difficult. i would like for us to look at whe the country was prior to the ascent of donald trump and his perspective about race and religion before we make a negative decision about anyone who is in opposition to him. one of the callers-- one of the callers on the washington journal many months ago suggested that many ofs get, almanac. i would suggest people visit the constitution society. there was a woman on from yesterday from i civics that

people need to understand how our government works and what happens in our country. these people who are voting for a third party or whatever, we have to remember, why does donald trump hate the fbi? the fbi who he talked to from 1988 2015 and who is he beholden to? i to be prayerful and respectful upon one another. i respect peoples opinions. i hope people will get more n so that they will make a determination between celebrity and public service. host: elizabeth out of new

york. the guest she was referring to on the importance of i civics, if you want to watch that segment, you can do so at c-span.org. this is mike in alexandria. caller: i'd like to talk little bit about donald trump and john mccain. john mccain had a veterans six months to eight months waiting list to get in and trump changed that all around. he had the veterans going to a local hospital. he was all helping our veterans

. they talked about donald trump being a rapist and all. but joe biden was sleeping with his daughter, taking showers with his daughter at 12 years old. that's not right. back in order here. the democrats seem to all be multimillionaires and i don't know how they've become millionaes year. there is not a democrat in the white house that's not millionaires. and it shows you where our money is. and they talk about stupid people calling in, i only have a

ninth grade education. i'm smart enough to know that our country is on the wrong track with biden and his administration. host:■s mike in alexandria, indiana, our last caller on this segment of washington journal. up next, we will focus on the u.s.-mexico border and immigration. we will be joined by chad holt of the american first policy. ■bthen sabrina talukd joinse us t court. >> -- along with first-hand

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of the america first policy institute. mr. wolf, for people who are not familiar, remind us what the mission of the america first policy institute is. guest: we talk about policiesyds from economic policy to national security policy to health care. you name it, we write about it and talk about it and do so from an america first perspective, putting americans first in public policy. host: your focus, your background is border security and immigration. how long have you been there and what is your key project? guest: i've been at the american first -- america first policy institute since 2021. i focus on all things security given my past position and experienceew years, i focused on border security, immigration enforcement and immigration in general. talking and writing a lot about this issue for obvious

reasons. we have a historic crisis along our southern border and so i have been writing and talking and doing a lot of different media over the past 2.5 to three years. host: president biden was talking about the border on n address. let me show viewers a little bit of what he had to say on the topic. >> i will not demonize immigrants s are poisoning the blood of our country. i will not separate families. i will not than people -- ban people because of their■. faith. unlike my predecessor, on my first day in office -- secure the border. provide a pathway to citizenship for dreamers and so much more. [applause] i know who we are as americans. world with a heart and soul that

draws from old and new. home to native americans and ancestors who have been here for thousands of years. home to people from every place on earth. came freely, some came in chains. some to flee persecution, to chase dreams that are possible anywhere. -- that is impossible anywhere but here in america. we are all americans. host: that was thursday night. your thoughts on that part of thatigration border security? guest: here's what president biden is doing and i don't think he is really doing a serviceat l immigration over the course of the history of our country and i don't think anyone would made up of immigrants from all parts of the world, but they are doing it in a legal fashion and

a process, versus the illegal activity we have seehree years e coming into the country, knowingly breaking our laws, coming in and not being vetted. and u.s. officials those are two different things and unfortunately, what president biden did that clip that you showedonflated and combined the two. it's important to keep -- for folks to understand that when conservatives start talking about migrants, we are talking about the illegal migrants we have seen over the last three years flood across that southern border. we are not talking about the legal migration legal immigration that happens every sigel day and every single year. the united states is■m a giving we give more green cards than any country in the world. i think it's important to keep just so we understand, where would you put the idea of

a migrant coming across the ús patrol, claiming the need for asylum, the asylum process in this country? is that a form of legal immigration? guest: obviously, they have the ability to claim asylum. what we know is the vast majority of them, 85% to 87% will never qualify for asylum. so, there is a lot of abuse of the asylum system. when they do come across and claim asylum, what you should do is either detained them and hold them for the pendency of their asylum proceedñ.gs o■kkeep them in their country as we did with our migrant protection protocols under the trump administration. what happens today is they get released into the country and do not have a court hearing for six years because the system is overwhelmed. the system needs reforming and we need to enforcing a law along the southern border and you will see the people that are fraudulently claiming asylum

will reduce. there is no incentive for that because they are released into the country right now. host: how much are you tracking the lincoln■+■g riley legislati? if an illegal alien comes across the southern border or any border and commits another crime in the united states, any jurisdiction should be working with ice so that immigrations customs enforcement can come and pick that individual up and remove that individual from the country. there are a lot of jurisdictions that don't allow that. what the legislation would is say the jurisdiction must allow ice that ability to come in and remove the individual from that community and replaceplace themd deportation proceedings. and if they don't, the state can

soothe the federal government for not protecting or not allowing protection of their community. so, when we talk about case, there are two things at play. there is the abuse of the parole and -- this piece of legislation focuses on the detainer. >> the sanctuary city aspect, how did you deal with that when you were in charge of homeland security? how did that become what it is today? guest: we have seen a number of jurisdictions. new york city, philadelphia,

chicago, they are primarily, but not exclusively major metropolitan areas where you ha■jnñocal officials campaigning and running on an issue and saying we will not work with the federal government if they want to come in and remove illegal aliens from our communitwhy they would do that, i don't know. we are not asking local law enforcement to become immigration agents. we are saying if you pick up an illegal alien that has committed a crime in your committee, whether it is shoplifting, dui, murder and aggravated crimes, call ice. that's immigration customs enforcement. they are removal officers will come to your jurisdiction, remove the individual from your jail and remove them out of that community. they are trying to protect the community before they are released back into the committee. why some jurisdictions don't want to do that, i think it is a political issue, frankly. they say they are welcoming everyone. from u.s. citizens to illegal

aliens. we have found sanctuary cities s and they don't protect the community. they make the community less safe and that was my message during my time at dhs. if you use the laken riley case at new york city, if they had allowed ice to pick this individual up and remove them, perhaps that terrible incident would not of occurred. host: our guest, former homeland security secretary during the trump administration. the last half of the administration, with us until 8:45. if you want to join the conversation, phone lines as usual, (202) 748-8000. that is for democrats. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. rbxcwe were talking about the general election in our last segment, if donald trump were to

win in 2024, would this be a job you would want to return to, secretary of homeland security? guest: that's a good question. i'm always happy to serve. there is a lot of factors in there and a lot of good people who could do the job as well. i was proud to do it. and am happy to continue to serve in any way that i can. host: alejandra mayorkas, do you think he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors in his time as homeland security secretary? guest: i do. i think the action the house took to impeach the secretary is about accountability. accountability is what has occurred over the last three at the last three years and see the images and the numbers. they see the stats and say there has to be a better way and who is accountable here? ■whether you talk about the wals that he has not enforced -- laws he has not enforced in the abuse

he he has enforced. and you talk about ways in which he continues to ally to congress and the american people, talking about the operation and control of the border, almost like there is nothing to see here. these decisions and these actions taken by the secretary have real-life consequences. people are dying because of them. i think that raises it to a different level. it's about co people want to see some accountability. host: what aspect of the parole system did you want to talk about? guest: the parole system being instituted by the is unlawful. the way in which they are using it. they have paroled probably somewherndividuals into this country. parole is supposed to be on a case-by-case basis. for urgent humanit good of the country. you have to ask yourself, these

400,000 people, which of these in this case, the alleged murder of laken riley was paroled into the country. benefit or the public good? which two categories does that public individual apply to? and the answer is none of the above. it is being unlawfully used in a way that is bypassing the asylum system. these people who are on parole never qualify for asylum. the administration says they will never qualify for asylum but i want them in the country which is work. host: is calling someone an illegal dehumanizing? guest: i don't think so. the title alien is eight of the u.s. code. the supreme court has used this term numerous times. an alien is someone who is not a u.s. citizen or a national of

the united states that is here. if they cross illegally, if they come into the country illegally, they are an illegal alien. these are terms that have been used in supreme court decisions, legislation and the like. i don't think trying to talk about these individuals as eith undocumented or newcomers, which the white house is trying to use recently is the right term. let's refer to them as we do in law. aliens in dhs terms confers a certain set of an immy are an alien. it has a legal terminology. i think we should be factual about thatit's not a derogatory. it's a term that has been used for decades. host: your phone calls with chad ed from danbury, connecticut, go ahead.

caller: 250 years ago, ben franklin potential immigrants that the u.s. was not a lover land and you had to work to survive. today, i don't think that's the case. the world's poorest see our benefits system as a garden of eden. thisof a mass migration of the world's poor. the state department runs the millennium project, which is to. to my knowledge, i don't believe they have a single active project in south or central america. i would suggest that be one of the priorities, to stem the immigration to try to develop the economies■. of especially in south and central america. host: mr. wolf? guest: i think that's right. i think what the viewer is talking about is the majority of ■#migrants come into the country at least illegally are economic migrants. they are in search of a better

life, better jobs and better prosperity and a better future. god bless all of them but there is a legal way to do that. illegally crossing the border is not the way to do that. that is first and foremost what we sduring the trump administra, we put in a regulation called a public charge regulation which means if you come to the country, you able to support yourself or have a sponsor that is able to support you so you don't become a drain on the american taxpayer and come across the border and suddenly are withdrawing a vast number of public benefits that other americans are having to pay for. we wanted to make sure you are being■ self sustained in a sens. i agree with the viewer. you have to make sure that we continue to support countries, whether■z iis in ■bra america, s primarily what we have done with foreign aid, making sure they have economic benefits and their countries are flourishing so that the young don't leave their countries. you don't want to drain from

those countries and they all come from the united states -- come to the united states and they stay and those countries never have the benefit of smart m4inyou do have to do some work there. it used to be the vast majority of folkse the administration tat root causes of migration and they focus on central america. the vast majority of people coming to the united states are no longer from central america unfortunately. the idea that you will provide foreign assistance and help for every country around the world is a tall order. so, you have to do all of the above. you have to start by securing the border and making sure that the illegal pathway for folks is not as prevalent as it is today. host: we will go to mary on the line for democrats from philadelphia, go ahead. caller: good morning mr. wolf

andwe need a moratorium called y president biden. because, they are already siding the immigration where there is a backlog and they cannot get to the pele who have applied legally for asylum. we have 3 million who have applied for it and that does not include the ones that got away. this is unsafe. i worked for the government under president reagan, made it illegal for anyone in this country to hire an illegal person based in this country. that was based on the illegal k control act of 1986. we have american people, legal immigrants that are ready and

undocumented people to avoid paying taxes. we made sure that a moratorium was called and anyone for them to come out of the shadows to pay the back taxes, with their landr. and if they fail to do so, we deported them and confiscated the ndyer assets. that's the law. that law is still in effect. so, i'd like to hear your comments on that. host: got your question, mary. guest: it's a good point. the system is overwhelmed, either from the i judges, asylum officers and the like. there are many who are claiming asylum which establishes that backlog that the viewer was talking about. idea is you have to make it -- you have to reform the system and put measures in place so that you don't have 3 million in

any given fiscal year coming across the border, claiming asylum, which is going to increase and continue to increase the backlog. u wi never have enough immigration judges to get through a backlog like that, which is why you have to put other elements in place to say it's not ok to cross illegally and are going to hold you accountable for crossing the border illegally and filing a fraudulent asylum claim. we will get you through those asylum procein quickly and we are going to remove you are we are going to do a variety of other things, which is one of the res we instituted the remain in mexico program. the numbers drew that out. i think to the viewer's second point on enforcing the law and making sure, that's where we talk about the where the department of homeland security runs, it's not mandated, it's voluntary at the moment, depending on which state

you're in, some states make it mandatory like florida, i believe. it has you go through the system so you understand who you are hiring that if somebody gives you a piece of paper or an id, you are able to run it to the system to determine if the individual is ingq■ere in the u. i know there is a lot of legislation on the hill and a lot of use for folks trying to make that systemnationally. but that is one way to address the second part of the viewer's question. host: was ronald rean in signing that 1986 bill into law that granted amnesty for illegal immigrants who arrived before 1982, some 3 million illegal immigrants were granted amnesty under that law? caller: i'm not going to goú3 bk to say whether he was right or wrong. i wasn't there so i'm sure there was a lot of debate. there is a thing a lot of conservatives are critical about

andt'th part of that legislation and never getting the enforcement and securing the southern border. the debate has always been in congress, let's either secure the border or provide amnesty. which one do you do before the other? historically, what we've seen is once you are providing amnesty to a certain set of migrants, the border security fees never really come. that's why you hear people talk about hr two, you talk about securing the border first and we talk about securing the■/■6r from individuals who are here illegally and then reforming that process. you have to turn the spigot off so to speak first. you t any understanding or comprehension of who's here in the country and how do you deal with those folks. host: hr two was passed by the house in may of last year. if you want to look at what' bi.

this is kevin in san antonio, independent, good morning. caller: i'd like to ask this chad wolf, are you a supporter of putin? the second thing is repcans■■ ve been in charge since i moved down here 20 years ago, the republicans have been in charge of the state of texas governmenton the border. and your own propaganda says the republicans don't want to fix the problem on the southern border because they make too much money off of it. now, i'm assuming when he's refeg off of it, it's because they campaign, campaign donations and everything else, the fearj%■b my this.

host: got your point. let me let chad wolf weigh in. immigration as a campaign issue. guest: absolutely. i am very supportive of making sure that we address problems hg resources, time, attention on our southern border before we do will answer the elsewhere. prudent question because i believe it is probably in the context of what we do ukraine versus russia. so, i have clear that congress should take up and secure our southern border before we secure the ukrainians border as it relates to russia and putin. it's a debate that congress should have. state of texas not doing enough, i think governor abbott has done a tremendous amount because he has had to because the federal

law and border security along the southern border in the state of texas. whether he is putting up+ guardd others out there, he's trying to secure his border laws that he has. there is no doubt he is taking some unprecedented action because we have never seen the vernment not actually enforce the law there. to the last point on whether conservatives want the issue to rema a becse they want to campaign on it, i think that is a red herring. they would not have passed hz■ o two. we would have a law in place that is starting to deal with the issues. the idea that issue, i don't think that's correct. there were a lot of folks in the senate who negotiated the bill

it's because the bill was flawed. not because it was somehow a bipartisan bill. i think that is great. but if the bill is bad, should not pass the bill because it has bipartisan support. the bill would not have worked for the department of homeland security in my opinion and would have made the crisor staying inf odessa, it's jerry, republican. good morning. caller: wolf. i appreciate everything you do very much. anybody who thirent to secure t, again, hr two. hr two. those are republicans that taxed -- passed that in the house. this legislation that was brought up, mainly by democrats, chad, would you please explain

why so many republicans rejected it. it was a terrible deal, unlike hr two. it immigration and then, they spin it. republicans don't want to do anything, that's why they didn't want this last bill. please explain why the republicans, most of them didn't want this last bill, the one that allowed 5000 illegal immigrants, illegal entries a day. host: got your point. i think the caller is talking about the negotiated bill among senate negotiators that republicans did not support. guest: two points. first, republicans and conservatives have been begging this administration for three years to solve this crisis. we've done a lot of work biden . mayorkas have today without any congressional action and executive orders, inrepowers the

this issue and we have laid it out in chapter and verse. plans on how to do it during the transition. obviously, the passage of hr two last year. record that we want this crisis to come to an end. ■y■but also have brought to ligt authorities that they have. they know they have them and they simply won't use them. that's the senate negotiation b, it did not the end --se program and that is the fundamental reason why you see more and more migrants come. illegal aliens come into the u.s. and get released into the community and they call their family and friends and loved ones the financial risk

and the risk to myself to come here. you will see others come. the bill talked about noncustodial detention. what does that mean? that means non-detention. we will put an ankle bracelet on into the united states. that program does not work and has been proven not to be effective overall in removing individuals. ■ the viewer brought up is it almost normalizes a level of immigration that is unheard of. you talk about a 4000 and 5000 person trigger before certain actions can be taken place. it normalizes that you will have 1.4 million in a given year, which is too high. that seems low given today's standards but we have blown the standards out of the water and those numbers are not acceptable either.

it's the only provision in that legislation that goes away after three years. all the other provisions are in law indefinitely. i question that because you don't know if you're going to have another crisis in four or five years. ■why would you sunset that authority? the other thing -- two of the things i wouay the legislation did not do anything to stop the abuse of the parole system. and then there was a massive giveaway, over $1 billion these ngos to process these individuals and throwing more money at this problem is not the answer. host: why don't they process the individuals? guest: there are too many of thy. once ice gives you a notice to appear and releases you out of their custody, you are no longer in federal goverent custody.

they will house the migrant and dhs is providing a significant amount of money and they would have over a billion dollars as a grant to continue to do this. what you're doing is incentivizing these nongovernmental organizations. they have an invested benefit to keep this crisis going because they are making huge amounts of money in the process. host: the lead republican in the ■y that bill, steve langford in oklahoma. anita is in tulsa, oklahoma, and independent. caller: thank you for c-span. i have a question as to whether when the first europeans came to north america, did they follow the indigenous people's morals when they took their land? host:estion?

bring us up to 2024. guest: i think it support and -- caller:ould like for mr. wolf to answer the question as to whether they followed the morals of the indigenous people. why i raised the issue is i think it is important when we talk about people who are coming to the country now. after mr. wolf answers the question, i would ask this -- guest: the word humanity gets thrown out a lot as it relates to what's going on today. when you look at rep everyone us the plight of a lot of individuals coming to this country. i don't think that's at stake here. everyone wants to be humane in the process. the question is do you want individuals to come to this country in a legal way? we have overcan apply for and ce

united states or, do you accept and allow people to comacrowe ae world that treats our southern border the way we do. no other country treats their borders that way. i think what you see is that many republicans and conservatives say that's not the way to do business. and to the■3 humane or not, my l opinion it is not humane to continue to encourage folks to put their lives in the hands of traffickers and smugglers. is the most dangerous journey you could do to get across that southern border, paying them untold amounts of money, probably your life's savings in many cases, young girls getting raped and other things that are happening to them. thatthe more we support that, te more we put policies in place that promote that, i think that is being and unfortunately, that's what

i've seen over the last three years. host: aboutliz from new jersey,. -- five minutes left with chad y, go ahead. caller: i'm calling about the immigration py. o check, it looks like you were part of the trump administration as acting u.s. secretary of homeland secretary and also undersecretary at some point. we are talking about less then a wealth of experience in either position because you were only and a federal judge found that your appointment was done wrongfully, which made the position disappear. so, i would like to know

personally that during this period, where did you stand on the trumpof separating minor children from their parents as they crossed the border? host: chad■÷qu wolf, your take n child separation yucca guest: i was at the department of homeland security in the trump administration for all four years. i served in a different precisions. i spent four years in trump administration, dealing a lot with border security and immigration. i think that gives me perspective to talk about what's going on along the souther, whih occurred in 2018, i agreed with president trump wheoy. he did that in may or june of 2018. the idea was that it was a zero-toleran announced by the attorney general at the

time. it said that as people came across theto hold them accountad enforce the law. what we know is that the execution of that zero-tolerance policyas not gthe president end. i supported that decision and have been on the record as supporting the decision in the zero-tolerance policy as it related to the actions of what the department of homeland security and specifically the border patrol are doing. republican, go ahead. caller: good morning. i've been bringing this up for i found a wallet in 2021. it belonged to a foreign person. he three different ids with the same picture on it. one from iowa, one from new york and one from pennsylvania. different names.

he had three different sets of food stamp than any person in america could get. how can one person run around in three differt states with three different ids? they are hiding the money. he is working because he had workpapers for new york and was working in new york. how do you do that? illegal. how many are getting away with guest: there are many on the left to want people to believe the only individuals coming across that border are women and children that want a better life and there certainly are those but that is not the majority of folks. you have a lot of people who are

coming here for fraudulent reasons. somere are look security threats and some may be wanted to deceive the american government and get more benefits. whether these individuals -- a lot of these folks come to the border and i hear the word on document it. they are not on document it. -- undocumented. they are not undocumented. they come with papers. you are reliant on the information the country has given you about an individual. in many cases around the world, a lot of countries don' recordsy hard to vet and check these individuals outle ids, it's even more difficult. when they come with no ids,

which they do in many cases because they the border, because they know, typically if they have committed a crime in another country, on the databases that are border patrol officials have. they don't want that to occur because they will get removed pretty quickly. there is a variety of ffink i ws with this. there are a lot of individuals coming across that southern border that should not be in the country for anal security reasons and that is why it is critically important we understand who they are and we give border patrol the time to interview and question them and vet them properly. host: chad wolf is with the america first policy institute, the executive director there. the former acting homeland security. chad wolf, if we went another 45 minutes, i would have calls for you come back again.

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usual. the partial government shutdown we were talking about lastleadis and the bill that was passed in the house and senate, that partial shutdown was not officially avoided until yesterdawhrede■ biden signed the $416 billion spending bill into law, funding half the mber 30, the end of this fiscal year. those agencies include the department of agriculture, housing, urban develop and and veteran affairs among them. the rest of the government including the pentagon and homeland security. facing the prospect of running the president can agree on a plan for those agencies. that's the other part of this partial government shutdown. major spending bills we need to be passed or packaged together

or else ther for the other govet shutdown deadline later this month. caller:sting conversation this morning. i wanted to point out what president biden spoke about during his state of the union address. there were workers. i dilittle research into that and found out what that meant. it was likely a union. what i would like to voice is to what extent are we using actual human beings? can you integratethis? and equally important, --

coming through the other borders in■alifornia for example, i think it was somewhere near san diego where you had a lot of chinese folks. the commentary about national important to enforce border security on the west side. thanks, bye. host: it the union, that is 800 20,000 strong. ibew was the name. alan is a republican, go ahead. caller: good morning. i wanted to comment about what mr. wolf was talking about with hr two. that's noa bipartisan bill at all. there was so much emphasis in that bill for the border wall and it'en proven that the border wall doesn't necessarily keep people out.

thereas a it was in texas monthy magazine last year, where they showed pictures of ladders left on the american side of the wall because people could buy -- for six dollars, they could buy enough hardware to build a ladder to gover e wall. there are laddersstrewn on the e wall. the wall is not impenetrable and it's not necessarily the right answer. host: anythg else■r you want to add? caller: i think that when it comes to making some decisions, there was a bipartisan bill from the not even taken up by the house and that's a problem with the maga republicans not coming on board to address the real problems in america.

host: alan breaking up the house clerks website of hr two. the bipartisan bill passed in may. hr two, the border bill with-21. 219 republicans voting for the bill and two republicans voting no on that bill. zeotg for that bill and 211 democrats voting nay on that legislation. in south dakota, independent, good morning. caller: i was wondering if you guys have done any polls like we on what's percentage -- what percentage of independence support joe biden. : we are not a polling company but what do you think? caller: i don't support either

party. host:■ but you are on the independent line and you do not? caller: you know, it just seems ke eveler you give in is a biden supporter, 5:1. host: in on the lines that best represent them and we trust our viewers to do that and when they do that, it helps the conversation flow a lot better here. anything else you want to add? caller: i guess i just don't see those numbers in real life. host: ok. john in st. louis, missouri, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i believe that the repliparty iy single election and our children are going to learn about them in school. the two-year-old senator, she's

host: she's not 22. i will get her age for you in a second. caller:owerld is, you've heard her on those commercials. host: she was born in february of 1982. thcaller: ok. you've heard her on commercials. puppy dogs in guatemala are being abused. donate five dollars. you've heard that before. ok. mark in michigan, republican. though ahead. caller: iyou guys. first off is why is everybody covering up for obama? let's go through mr. obama's eight year black, gay men, covered up by n.

now, he i's third term. obama has joe biden look like an idiot and is destroying our country. now, obama made lying legal. you people are pure cowards byag legal. hr 243, he sdexecutive order, h. it made lying legal. why are all of you communist obama made lying legal? host: that's mark in michigan. this is irene in littleton, good morning. caller: i want to say i am voting for biden. in logic.dependent

i don't believe in trumps logic. he is bringing our country south. not north. and i don't get why we even allow him to run. he has all these charges against him. host: what does it mean to bring the country south and not north? caller: caller: the south is -- caller: the and the north is going up. i'm struggling financially myself. it's all because of trump. i blame it on him. when i see the democrats running it seems to be going north and not south. host: alvin, democrat, good morning. caller: how are you doing today? host: good. caller: they were talking about president obama. i think he did ok. i think the country is so

separated should just try to get along and look at the real cause of what's going on with the nation. i think the best thing that we should do■■, we should try to gt along. and we should try to help each other instead of tear each othee country is tearing each other down more than helping each other? caller: and something happens to one person, we start looking at the color features of everything keep blaming each other. i think we should just try and help each other instead of tearing each other up. host: thaj's vin floater. this is eric in new hampshire, republican. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. things that really bothers me is the fact that we have military all over

the world and president abandoned our soldiers in afghanistan. that is a fact. people wonder why there is so much. when president trump meets with the laken riley family and president biden is apologi for an illegal, it's he deserves one term. let's get us back to some normalcy. we h whether people like it or not. we had a fair amount of normalcy. there is always going to be problems. host:yo when joe biden held up the laken riley pen? caller: that was a reaction. he knew he was going to get that. unless somebody brought that up, he was not going to bring that up.

this is a terrible, terrible tragedy and allowing -- i want folks to be able to come in through illegal immigration, no question about it. we need folks our wonderful experiment. but, to open the border and allow anybody in is just wrong. we can't afford it. it's dereliction of duty for generations to come. we $5 trillion of debt. it's unsustainable. it's got to stop. thank you. : eric in the granite state. this is lily. caller: good morning. on the border, why people don' talk about trumpg if biden gets elected, the border is open. they took his word for it. i think he is responsible f infe

in during the biden administration? caller:was running, he said if biden gets elected the border is open. they evidently took him at his word and started flocking in here. that is what i think. that is my opinion. host: this is stephen in the hoosier state, democrat. good morning. caller: wolf, no more than anotr disingenuous republican. t listen to me now. when trump was president attempted to close that border down via executive order.

court said no. you cannot do that. then we got that bad disease that came throughthey shut the p shut the border down. tkhe did not. the cdc shut to border down. you have all these republicans calling in, making a statement come uphut the border down. let me tell you something, people. our president does not have t t to shut the border down in the only one who can shut the border down his congress by writing new laws. so quit it. get smart. learn something.

guest: -- host: in indiana, republican. caller: what that fellow just said, i kind of agree with him. i wish i could have gotten on with the prior guest. i 1986, what has happened to all these people that have come across since reagan give amnesty to them at that time? are all those that are still in this country have to still be in this country -- what are they doing? are they citizens? are they voting? did we make them citizens? like the ones that have come in during the last administration, i do not think we are ever going to get them out of here. then a different subject is if i am running against you in an election and i still your money and buy votes with your money againse -- against you, how

will you ever win an election if heard that president trump is going to pay off everyone's credit cards. it is just a little bit more to the debt, which would raise more inflation. so we are going to pay off everybody's credit cards so vote host: where did you hear that he was going to pay off everyone's credit cards? caller: from some of my friends. host: one thing i want to follow up on, we were talking about illegal immigrants and voting. i would point you a column in the washington post, the fact checker. he does fact checks on them. he takes up the case of -- cases of noncitizen voting in this

here is two paragraphs on that fact check. the conservative heritage foundation maintains a database dating to 1979 that it says includes a sampling of election fraud cases brought by prosecutors. in period, about 2 billion votes have been cast in federal elections, and court -- according to a calcution. a recent search of that database found 85 cases involving allegations of noncitizen voting from 2002a large percentage of k place in north carolina, where authorities have been aggressive in targeting noncitizen voting. ge■]orgia announced it had completed a citizenship review of voter rolls and discovered 1634 people over 25 years had attempted to register to vote even though they were not u.s. citizens but none had been permitted to register to vote

and had not cast ballots. if you want to read more of fact check the issue of noncitizen votingey, he takes it up today. this is laverne inent. good morning. caller: i am dismayedbefore they was on, you had open forum. st: we did a question on supporting donald trump or joe biden, the rematch of 2024. caller: you had a guy, i think the last caller you took, did call in from indiana host:. i do not know if he was from indiana. caller: he did say he only had a ninth grade education. that spoke volumes.

when he said that the president of the united states, joe biden, who lost his wife andr in the accident in which beau and his brother survive 12-yeard daughter -- how is that possible? how can anybody believe that? that is when you have these low information voters callin in with misinformation. that is terrible. i am so glad -- and you let him get away with that, but that is on you. the other thing i have to say is i'm glad the president did come out firing when he gave his state of the union address, pointing out things, and the fact that you have this marjorie taylorret coming into the congressional hall with a hat on. hics and a quorum, and thenf

shouting. our country is onpath. people call in and say that when trump was in office they were doing so good. did they forget we had covid epidemic that killed millions of our people? businesses were shut down. pelei don't understand why theye such short memories, but your y from indiana, low information voter. guest: -- host: do think the scene of a president going back and forth with+ audience, do you think that is going to be a staple of state of the unions from now on? that sort of atmosphere? caller: i trust not. the point of the state of the union is to let the country know

what is going on, how we are going to work with each other to fix it, not shouting and aci wao that one senator from -- for saying what the president had said about the bill that was passed in the congress failed to enact it was the truth. thank you for your time. host: james lankford of oklahoma was the key negotiator on that bill. is laverne in texas. this is cindy in the state of new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. you need to vet these people a little more when they call in. first, trump came in, 2.5 years, when obama had put everything in place, he turned everything around. the second thi is that --

host: you have to turn down your television and keep talking through yo p when trump team ino office, i thought the wall was went to be built and mexico was good to pay for it. what happened? also, the family separation of these kids, despicable. the christian republicans who feel this is right -- what is trump went to do? i hope he is never elected president. when he becomes president, is h? republicans cannot wake up. women cannot wake up. -- republicans, wake up. women, wake up. host: this is roberto in■2 caller: i find it amazing that the lady from new jersey is having a people and

their own senators in trouble again for being crooked. border. i live on the border. when people call in, they need to hava ttle knowledge about living the life they are talking about. i am having to help my grandchildren pay their rent. otthe husband works every day. he does not send -- sit home on his rear end■■í welfare like everybody seems to think. when people call in and say poor people -- that is hate speech. when somebody talked to somebody like that because they are poor, it is hate speech. you should not allow that to be happg should -- and you should not allow people to be talking about each other with any kind of hate. i telling you c-span is lowering its standards totally. host: do you think people speak

to each other with hate a lot more these days than they did in the past? caller: they talk about people -- they are stupid because they are poor. ■;you had callers saying that. why would you allow somebody to say that? host: i'm trying are as a society and how we speak to each other, was why i asked. i was tryin g where we are as ad how we speak to each other. caller: you have influence right there in your lap. when you allow people to speak about poor people -- would you let people talk about black people that way? you have a responsibility and you are not fulfilling it right there in your own share. when we support c-span, which my cable company supports you, my

cable company pays for you and i pay a lot of money for m why would you allow people to talk about poor people like that? i have never. i have always taking care of anybody. i sit here in world war two i understand what is important and what is not. i wish people would not say poor people are this were rich people are that. if we money, we should be helping somebody that does not. all democrats and they are rich. you think he knows what it is to so we do not see people that care. we see people that hate. why am i wrong? i would like you to tell me. host: i'm not here to tell you

that you are wrong. what is important and what is not. what is important right now? what are couple things that are important right now? caller: one is you have a lot of influence right there. you should never be allowing people to say anything about poor poor -- what does that mean? they are not americans? that is my point with you. host: i understand your point. what is important? caller: on that have nothing to say. i mean some of your guests recently. cked to see some of the people c-span is putting on. we should demand something better than that for the public. host: who have you liked? anyone?

caller: help people by learning. ■6instead of having people calln and say they are poor so they do not know what they are voting for or they are po bnd that, leu something. when i have to pay my grandchildren's rent and i'm sig housing because if i move out of my housing they are going to rent this thing for $2000 -- i live in california. i live in san diego. i became the seconernight. how did that happen? they walked right across the border. that is how it happened. so we have democrats running the house and locally here, city these people are democrats.

they come in and act like republicans are the enemy, public enemy number one h■:, and they cannot solve any problems. they look at each other and they do not know what to do. then we have thisflood here recently. i am sure you heard about it. all these people were sitting here. they are all now going to have mental and our own city council did not take care of business. our own city council allowed thathost: we are running short n time and want folks in. this is jennifer in ohio, independent. thanks for waiting. caller: i hope you will give me previous calling about joe biden's daughter taking showers with her dad, she wrote that in a book. it was not made up. ■[gi wanted to talk about climae

change. it was just a money pit because hours are -- our czar will not give any information on his staff or the wages in his staff. host: anything else? caller: i would like to see him get a little stronged harder on these people that are transferring all this illegal drugs and fentanyl and stuff. they would just stop right there in the vehicles they have carrying that got burned the vehicles. as stop some of these teenagers and mothers and different people from carrying all this stuff around. i think illegals are just a replacement theory. it is not just a theory appearance that is what they are trying to do cannot replace. -- what they are trying to do, replace.

host: john is in west virginia. caller: i think you do a good job. don't let nobody get you down. caller: i was thinking about the trillions added to our deficit and all that, just burgeoning regular americans. you have border security. th pass legislation. the economy is doing great. election fraud has been done by who? nothing democrathat is a false y time. agents from china and russia. what else do we have here? host: but we will have open forum again down the road. that will do it for this section

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sabrina talukder, what is the women's initiative? >> a team at the center for american progress which focuses on making sure that women are participating in an inclusive economy and have all the rights and freedoms of everyone else in united states. this -- has thisned in alabama? re-scrambled to the debate around reproductive rights in th cou the alabama ivf ruling decides and takes away freedom of people to decide if, when comend how to start a family. what we have seen is directly attacked -- connected to attacks same spectrum of reproductive care. the supreme court majority overturned roe v. wade, led to cases like the alabama ivf ruling. what we saw between the decision

and the attempts to fix the issue was mass chaos and confusion with ivf providers and patients and that is something we have seen overturn of roe v. wade. this chaos that has happened is emblematic of what it means to trying to accessory productive care. host: wednesday, the alabama governor signed that creating criminal and civil immunity for in vitro fertilization service providers. does that fix the issue? guest: absolutely not. it is temporary. it will only last for a year. we know that ivf treatments sometimes takeñ lonan a patients are wondering, do i have to go through all of this again in just one year? legislation does not address the issue at hand, which is whether embryos should be afforded the same legal

protections as children. that is what happened in the alabama state supreme court ruling. the legislation does not address that at all, meaning that legal access can still berought under the wrongful death of a minor to different providers in different ways. this does not do anything. we have only seen so far one fertility clinic out of three resume services, which means parents that are just hoping to have a family are stillthey havs available to them, less access to medical care they need to start a family. host: this is the kind of topic that i might be helpful to have those who have experience with ivf join the conversation so we have a special phonee for folks who have experience with ivf. also a special line for alabama residents. if you support the alabama supreme court decision, (202)

748-8000. if you oppose it, (202) 748-8001 we will put those numbers on the screen as well so you can dial in on the line that fits you. topic of the alabama ivf decision was theop to the statee of the union thursday night. this is a little of what she had to say. [video clip] >> we are the party of parents and families. we want to give you and your children the opportunities to thrive. and we want families to grow. it is w we support continued nationwide access to in vitro fertilization. we want to help loving moms and dads bring precious life into this world■ wesley and i believe there is no greater blessing in life than our children.

make a direct appeal to the parents out there, in particular to my fellow moms. know will be up tossing and turning at 2:00 a.m. wondering how you're going to be once and then somehow still get dinner on the table. of all, we see you. we hear you. we stand with you. host: what did you think about those comments? guest: it is appalling, what republics ll do in order to etch a sketch their record on abortion and ivf rights. we have seen republi trump try a records because they support

abortion bands but because the o overwhelmingly support access to ivf we have people trying to say that they support ivf, but the record reflects otherwise. host: etch-a-sketch there record -- what do you mean? guest: more than■ 145 republicas in congress have sponsored legislation that bans ivf outright or practically limited to the point that known can repeatedly voted againstalso parenting access to contraception, which is a critical component of fertility care for i pies. when i hear people like katie britt saying we stand with moms re how they are going to manage everything -- you did not say that to parents in alabama, to families trying to say -- decide if they cy becy overturning roe v. wade a pathway was made for this ruling and the reality is voters know

that you cannot. ivf and abortion are on the same spectrum of reproductive care, access and you cannot let a judiciary politicize that and insert their'tersol reli law tae control over what should be a standard of medical care and coersas and it people like katit that have created this situation we are in now. speaking of the judiciary cannot remind viewers what abortion access cases will be before the united states supreme court coming up this term. >> there are two cases coming up the first is the alliance for hippocratic medicine versus the food and drug administration and

the second is idaho versus the united s■8tates. the first case is a case around safety and efficacy of mifepristone. it was brought by far-right groups about whether a drug that has been on the market for over 20 and reviewed over four times by the fda safe. the drug in question is the first medicine in a two step regimen it is part of medication abortion, the most common form of abortion care in the united states. this case is unprecedented because a judge has never overruled the fda on the safety and efficacy. that is because judges do not have any background in science or medicine, so this has never happened before. the potential outcome of this case is really significant for every single person because, no

matter whaat in and what voters have done to secure abortion rights, this really will impact whether you can access medication abortions in and it has potential to set a precedent where any extreme political actor can the safety and efficacy of a drug to court, regardless of whether an independent agency like the fda has determined it is fe host: what is the other case? guest: idaho versus the united states. in this case, it for mass chaos. in idaho, there is a near-total abortion band that essentially t physicians are required to provide under a federal law, the emergency medical tmwhen pregnao emergency departments, emergency

physicians areequi of medical care that becomes stabilizing treatment, meaning they have to make sure that the patient is endure horrific medil trauma. 's under idaho near-total abortion band, physicians can only provide abortion in instances of atopic -- ectopic ■tpregnancies and cases of raper incest if it is to save the life of a mother. there are moments where physicians have to provide /[abortion as a standard of medical care when it is necessary for a woman's health. it couldw3 be that she is experiencing preconscious -- preeclampsia. there are times when a physician has to do that but they will be criminalized under idaho state law.

is saying you cannot do this, that federal law preempts state law. that is what is happening at the supreme court. host: the alliance case. oral argument are set for march 26. ■jhost: plenty of calls for you already this morning. sabrina is our guest with the center for american progress action fund. this is scott in montana up first. scott, are you with us? go ahead. caller: if an embryo is considered child and the destruction or end of an embryo is considered death, then if a lady is carrying embryos, then

during her menstrual cycle, with appy considered death -- would that be ns d■zeahost: could youe question? caller: if an embryo is considered child, then a baby rr child in her menstrual cycle host: host:. question.sure i'm ing th guest: i think scott -- one part of this case is there are some any questions that this case does not answer. that is because judges do not have any scientific or medical background, so this case has opened the floodgate of questions that no one really has answers to and it is so broad and vague that everyone is asking questions around what

happens to embryos with a are frozen, they are in a storage unit. the questions go on and on, so i think your question is one of eaks to the fact that judges are not supposed to be lawmakers. that is what happened in this case. thank you for asking that question. ho will henry sweeting in. his comment on this topic was if you are nottopic is not your bu. guest: even though i do not hav the pleasure of being from the great state of alabama, i stand with women in alabama and with hopeful parents they just want to try to have a baby but even re than this ruling has repercussions, as we have seen across the country. it has spurred action on the state and federal legislative level because this ruling in alabama did not happen in a vacuum. every gop attack on reproductive

care, every legal case that has happened has paved the way for this alabama ivf ruling. these cases do not happen in a vacuum and even if i'm not from alabama, it is my job to support women in alabama and families. no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, we can agree we want people to have resources and having the family they dream of as much as possible. host:jonestown. good morning. caller: ivf is a hard one. ou saying that you believe in -- that i am an extremist because i believe in life. what percentage of abortions are out of convenience? my understanding is the majority of abortions are out of convenience.

this thought process with abortion, it is what to take away from a woman, she is dying and's vie between a mother and child and the mothers were to die. can you tell me what state now has any laws on the books that a mother cannot be saved over the life of a child and it comes down to a family decision? i would like to know that.e? i have never heard pro-abortion people talk about these topics, so i would appreciate if you can swest: thank you for calling in. these are important questions. i being labeled any certain way is an easy thing for someone to do and i think people are complex and have multipleô tsthe stance currently in our political climate of being not

-- it is not about being pro-life but more being antiabortion speaks differently. to that our constitutional right to abortion has been taken away by an activist supreme court judiciary. your third point about about abortion as health care, i am so glad you asked that the reason why abortion is considered part ofrd of medical care for women in emergency procedures. instances -- in the case of idaho versus united states, physiciansav■xe to say as part of their medical conduct that in order to not have detrimental impacts for your future fertility or your long-term health there are severe consequences and abortion

as part of the standard of medical care for that. we have seen that across the country for instances of ectopic ies. look at the special guest at president biden's state of the un the state of texas for an emergency procedure that was requiring abortion and it was because it would severel healths for future fertility. she was denied that care and had to leave the state of texas to get the medical care she really needed and required. you had another question about instances of what if a woman is dying is she not able to have an abortion. throughout the is that -- for a physician to wait until the point that it woman -- your patient is dying in front of you

to provide care needed is not part of the oath that was taken. what is happening is that women are no need in order to save their life and health and women have died. there have been rorted fatal consequences of women not being able to have an abortion and that is because abortion is part of pregnancy care. it may impact your future fertility care il important bee abortion is part of pregnancy care. if you look at states like idaho , the near total abortion ban has severe consequences for every person in idaho. idaho's rate has doubled from 2019 to 2021. because of the criminalization of physicians living in this

really great area of a woman's health versus a woman is dying right in front of you, there has been -- a mass exodus of ob/gyn's from the state. one in five have stopped practicing and a few maternity wards have shut down in idaho. that means that idaho has become an unsafe place for pregnant women because womaccessing the . host:bers again if you want to join this conversation. if you have experience with ivf, (202) 748-8002. alabama-8 residents, (202) 748-8003. if you support the alabama supreme court decision, (202) 748-8000. if you 748-8001. kathy on that lastcaller: good .

this is kathy. professor and i teach develop mental biology and i think that one of the things my students and i discuss is really along the lines of separation of church and state. and that when folks decide to rule from necessarily understand what all -- they only come from their perspective, i am afraid. one of the things we teach in my class is that there are five scientific perspectives of when life begins. i did not know if you and others were aware ofq.■n scientists do not agree upon

when life begins or personhood, as we call it. one area's conception. the second one would be people do not know, but if you think about the fact that there are -- you can have a fertilized egg that is identical twins, that would be -- they both have the same dna. they would both have been a unique embryo at some point, but they split, so there are some scientists that believe you have to get to a point where they have already had the chance to split and cannot d it anymore. and that is when they are a person. host: what is the question? caller: why is it that folks -- this is not necessarily a biological question, but why is it that we can circumvent the

freedom of religion? when people have different scientific views and religious views of when ensoulment occurs, some religions believe it isth. why is it we think we can now ignore everybody's religious beliefs and dictate to them you host: believe? -- to them what you believe? gu i also have a lot to learn on this, so thank you so much. i think your question really hits the nail on the head what the politicization of the judiciary and medicine. some questions that judges should not attend to provide the answer to in a court of law because they are not legal questions. in this case, the alabama ivf

ruling, there were multiple legal which the hopeful parents brought this lawsuit. there were claims under state law of negligence and things like that which are basic claims around this person. i sustained an injury because of this person. however, the judges at the alabama state supreme court shows the legal claim of wrongful death of a minor, which would enable legal ruling around embryos being afforded the same legal protections as children. it was strategic, political, and personal. correct that judges should not be able to do this. it harkens to this alarming trend we have seen beyond reproductive rights cases of judges supplanting medical and scientific norms for their personal bias. host: connie in florida, you are

next. caller: i have comment and question. eface my comment by saying i always vote democrat. i am younger than the normal am in my early 50's. i am not old. i am highly educated and not religious. i will say i support the alabama supreme court decision. this is why. ivf is not neededyou woke -- i s that are get a grip and realize there are people out here in america who believe like i do, generally vote democratic. i have my whole life, but there are some lines that i draw and the line iw is every precious little snowflake, and i

will use republican language, does not needogical child. i do not care if that is mike pence's kid or some woke liberal in san francisco. adopt. guest: thank you for calling in. complex and i am not from d.c. but i understand where you're coming that the reality is that everyone should have the right to start a famypy in a w that they want, whether that is adoption, through ivf, with a partner on their own, etc.. the great thing about america is we can and should be able to decide how■e it is a fundamental freedom, to

decide these things. i think -- i hope you and i can agree on that. host: france became the first country to enshrine abortion access in its constitution. reaction to that and what you think it would take for that to happen in this country. guest: we applaud france for being able to do that and codifying abortion in the constitution. i think there are other countries we can look to as well, likeo, which are catholic countries that have also protected the right to abortion care in their country. t of the union, president biden said, send me a congress that will codify roe it the law of the land. that is a welcome remark and we look forward to that moment but also codifying roe is the bare minimum.

roe and federal protection for abortion care is something that 9rat we have learned is every person in the united states should have access to a full spectrum of reproductive care. ocevery person, regardless of zp code, should be able to meaningfully access it beyond just a right that is on paper. a question i probably should have arted the segment with. you explained the difference between an embryo and fetus, and baby. host: great quote -- guest: great not have the scienr medical background to really answer this. i think that is the reality, that people of legal background like myself shlde answering questions on scientific norms because that is exactly what the judges did in this case. someone like menot be saying what is or is not a scientific or medical norm.

i am glad you brought this up because it showsit is also conf. it must be confusing to judges, too. that is why wh we have legal cases like idaho versus the united states is about people that do not have the scientific or medical background supplanting a norm inir personal bias and political opinions and ideologies. host: kim in california up early . go ahead. >>■ i wanted to put in my opinin as part of being opposed to the alabama decision. i do not think ivf should become

personhood because they are not . they are not in a womb. i do not know if anybody has thought of this, but what le decide they are going to now put them on their taxes and claim them as dependents? that opens another can of worms. host: maybe a question for a lawyer. that is a great question that speaks to the issue of there are so many questions on this case the people do not have answers to. there are some any ne reports of patients calling specialist saying, what do i do about my taxes? what do i do about the code of come about the liability waivers? there are so many unanswered questions that came up, like the ones you asked that two week period between the decision and the legislation that passed and

this is emblematic of the kjudgs with their personal bias. host: we have lined set aside for those with experience with ivf. (202) 748-8002. residents, (202) 748-8003. michael's on the line for those who support the state supreme court decision. are you with us? guest:: stick by your phone will be go to vicki in ohio. caller: mi on? -- am i on? i do not think it is the government's business at all, no matter what. it is the individual or family

that should make the decision. the governme. we say we are a free country. we are not a free country. we are controlled by the government. it is s the individual right or the family decision. if they want an abortion, they shouif they want to use ivf, thy should be able to. the government has no say. that is what i have to say. est: i agree. i think reproductive care is a fundamental freedom. it is about if, when, and how a person decides to start a family. in america, we should be able to support fundamental freedom around that. host: carol in houston next. caller: i would like to explain

when obama was president and he had two years to decide to take. wade once and for all. he did not. they wanted to save it and use it for a campaign later. and then later when they had a chance to codify it again with two republican senators, they had all the re-codify wade as interpreted previously. chuck schumer would not do it thante later to run against people, so he put a ridiculous -- women worked hard to get all the votes and get republican support to codify it. sabrina talukder on the

political history of codifying roe v. wade. guest:still a lot of twists and turns. i think abortion access and codifying it also goes beyond roe v. wade. we have things like the heideman meant, which prohibits medication -- being used to fund abortion care. the history of meaningful so many reiterations and few things have been able to pass even in a democratic administration. around -- what you're saying around -- we are kind of two ways. so much haed and should have happened before that did not happen and i think we are in a position and we agree that perhap time to codify roe■;rtion care because we know how important it is for families to

be able to decide -- to be able to navigate medical situations and for women to be able to have control over their reproductive freedom. host: out of new york, this is patricia. caller: good morning. i have been listening. i get a little bit emotional. everybody'sw opinion. in vitro. i had it done 20 something years ago. i know the ends and outs. of this procedure. it took my husband and i 4.5 years to try to conceive and have, so this was the way at the time. it was being introduced in the

beginning and it really was not discussed with anyone, even in government,or anything, and my husband and i went to a reproductive doctor it was a lot of work. and syracuse to have the procedure done and i do not know -- for people to say that it is not a baby -- i know people the normal way, but with this you had to go for months in order to have your egg cut which i did. i had seven.

then the procedure. ■nthey sperm into the egg. i had two. we we me back the next day to he it implanted. well, the one broke off. the doctor called us the next morningnd the other one did not break off. at that time, i should have said, just put it in. the doctor was hemming and hawing and says, i do not know. we probably will have to do it again. but at least to us that was the most exciting thing because to us that was conceived, that we had two up there alive people that have not gone through it, they do not know.

and to do it again. we spent a lot of money in four years. i had 10 artificial insemination's done ivf and not, needless to say, for your viewers that are listening, if you have not gone through that you are not familiar with, think twice because people have gone through it and suffered through it. it is not a painful procedure at all. emotionally, but i would do it over again if i had the chance now. i am too old, butl experience ay problems for us because of our

loss. he wanted -- it is tough. lot, even talking to someone at the time because it is very emotional. host: thanks for sharing your fertility journey with usn time. i want to give sabrina a chance to respond, but thank you for that story. gues i cannot thank you enough for sharing your story so bravely with folks on this show about what it really takes to go ro, and i hope that one day you will get to speak your truth to power and talk to people like the judges this experience, do not have the scientific and medical expertise, yet make determinations on how hopeful

parents can hildren, if at all. thank you for sharing your story. i will remember it as we move w. thank you. host: sabrina talukder is the women's initiative director at appreciate your time this@ morning. that is going to do it for us this morning on the washington journal, but we will be back here tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, 4:00 a.m. pacific. in the meantime, have a great [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪■ ■7

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5#■h [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy visit ncicap.org] ♪ host: good morning. it's sunday, march 2024. ahead, we will talk about border security and the ivf decision but we