documents. watch the judiciary committee hearing live on c-span 3. c-span d online at c-span.org. >> housing and urban development secraryx marsha fudge will leave her role according to the white house march 22. in a statement she announced h retirement and thanked president biden for opptuty to serve. president biden released a statement reading in pt, on day one she got to work rebuilding the department of housing and urban development and ov t past three years has been strong voice for expanding efforts in generational wealth through homeownehiand lowering cost and promoting fairness for america's renters. secretary fudge was the second black woman to lead h.u.d. n the congress is in session we look at the week ahead. to do that this week we're joined by jack, on

government funding first, president biden signed that bill on saturday and voided a partial government shutdown. but it only affected half a dozen agencies and there is another government shutdown coming up march 22. the latest on those negotiations and is that going to be harder to pass than the one they passed last week? guest: thoseove ly the tough bi. they've done 6-12 appropriations bills. they've not done the biggest ones or the toughest ones. so the outstandi department of e biggest nondefense bill which is labor h.h.s. and education and usually the toughest one to resolve is homeland security. you heard plenty of arguments overmmti border security that played into the foreign aid debate and makes it very difficult to fund the department of homeland security and that's a one and includes se

and foreign operations, funding the department of state at a time when there's a debate over, palestine, hamas. that's not an easy one either. so they've got a lot of money at stake, a lot of stake and they're the bigger, tougher issues left for next friday. host: leaving the tougheo the last on the is taking. of pressure is speaker johnson under in his negotiations? is it looking like it's one of those bills that might get more democrat' of them republicans of work? guest: it certainly could. they got more democratic support than republicans of work in the vote for the first six bills. those were supposed to be the host: will that get more democratic support? guest: one of thezí■f speaker in you follow a hastert rule and get a majority of the majority and make sure there are more republicans voting for it than republicans this has to be

bipartisan, it has to have the president support and has to have support of the democratic-controlled senate. you will not get 218 votes just from republicans. you need something bipartisan. it is speaker to envision any circumstance in which he is not relying on a great number of least get a majority of his caucus to support it, that protects him to a pretty significantree and that six bills. host: last week it was a $459 billion that you went through line by line, looking for earmarks. you some more reporting on the that major package there.d how many air marks are we talking about? guest: this is 6628 earmarks.

it's not that easy to go through each one. we did manage to get through six different documents and we work through it. it's $12.7 billion. . there are other bills coming so there will be more earmarks in those. what we saw the first six is a weighted toward house republican priorities because the house republicans band earmarks in the education bill. that'aemocratic priorities and it's now something that only the senate includes earmarks in. we will probably see a greater push foremocratic earmarks in the second tranche of bills, at least democratic earmarks of this as all the usuala lot of money for police grants, local police department is the need radios. there is local infrastructure work on roads, work on water

projects, sewer projects, a lot of local needs that members identify in their districts. host: before we get to the more egregious o h does one get an earmark into a bill that's not negotiated in committee but negotiated behind closed doors in how to individual members get their individual earmarks into this $459 billion deal? guest: now. there has been some controversy with changes made at the last second. they submit formal request now for these local projects. not something that supposed to be done behind closed doors. it goes through a committee markup. there was a controversy in house republicans seeking to pull

earmarks when they tried to pull three projects for lgbt commuthis one at the very s largely earmarks that were put through the committee process in a very official capacity but to pull behind closed doors. one was in lgb to an in pennsylvania and another in nevada that does sex worker advocacy those were evidently too controversial for social conservatives so we are seeing some backroom negotiations but front, members post on their websites come here miry wesson here are the disclosures i am not financially invested in the organization so it can go to local governments or non-often but not for profit■l cpanies. there are major improvements

compared to the old days back before it was dan for a while after the tea. host: what are some of the controversial ones from that list? guest: i think the moster than the two that would be pulled over controversial among republicans, republicans in the house also band museum earmarks. rs did not. there was some frustration last year over things that about.vatives seemeqinot i think you will see a big push from conservatives in this next tranche of those because it includes education a number of those go to museums. there has been a bit of an ongoing fight over whether lawmakers should beo do grants for museums. this last one was over the fights that were the most

a couple of issues and lgbtq issues and sex worker advocacy. host:■' what are some of the museum grants? guest: the conservatives among hoe republans ha said they want the federal nexis to put a number of things in house republicanpp dei policies. there is a big difference in t usregarding museums for black history. when i went through all of the earmarks included in the house and senate appropriations bills come if you look for phrases among senate bills that say african-american or black history, minority cultural issues, those were the big difference that they appeared in the senate appropriaon democratt in the house appropriations

bills were conservatives have pushed for things like■ó bdges, roads, military construction, that kind of think. host: jack fix patrick is our gassed in this portion of the washington journal. another busy week in washington. the senate comes in at 3 p.m. if you want to join in the conversation, talk about earmarks, you can call now and the numbers to joining is democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001 independents (202) 748-8002. about in our previous segment special counsel robert herr will be on capitol hill to testify before the house judiciary committee on his report on joe biden handling classified documents and other ing on

? guest: the president's budget proposal is supposedo be sent to congress for the next fiscal year. they are still negotiating the fiscal 2024 bills. host: so we ge guest: yes and the president wish list and his broad vision for the next year. tomorrow, the senate budget committee will hear from the omb director. that will be partly a big fight over the direction of the deficit because it always is among republicans and democrats on big issues like that following the president's budget proposal. it's also a long series of requests for agencies from what kind of funding they need going into next year. we don't know exdget yet but the specific lessons about why this program that i like upper a cut or why isn't there more or less for this. tomorrow's hearing in the senate

budget committee with the budget director for the white house will be an interesting one to watch. anything else you are watching for this week? guest: we had super tuesday last week --. i would like for it to be slower and the next awning deadline is next friday night. we don't know when they will put out the bill+athey are tryinuu'r of issues are wrapped up aside from congressional hearings this week. there may be some back and forth for action on whether we see the bills or figure out what issues are holding them up. i think that will take ua oxygs they get closer to the end of next week deadline to avoid a shutdown. host: let's take some calls. this is dave in new york, independent, good morning. ller: good morning. i was glad to hear your guest

talk about the hasrtert rule. it's not an official and it allows a minority, a small minority of thex2ockade bill ife speaker invokes that. that's why we didn't get an immigratiobill 10 years ago because speaker boehner said it doesn't have significant republic support even though it would've passed the house and it would've passed the it's a terrible rule. do you haveout the hastert rule? slightly less relevant right now. there are plenty of complaints of bout it because you are correct in saying it'relativelye members host: a majority of the majority

doesn't need to put a build the floor? guest: but the majority is the 0 members out of 435 members in the house. it's a fairly smallif you been e attention lately, you've noticed there is a lot of discussion about a motion to vacatendy to s of the speaker of the house and potentially kick him out. one of the numbers that really matters in the house that legisy takes one member to require a vote on the motion to vacate. republicans in the house can only afford to lose two votes before they lose a functioning majority. on one hand, you can abide by the pastor rule and have a funding$1 bill with democrats bt if you have a very vocal minority, even smaller than the

hazard rule threshold a little more■g than 100, things can be affected or blocked. it could be affected significantly. we don't knowxa right now if there were a vote right now just on standalone ukraine aid, how many votes among house republicans what it getat's up . there is a significant amount of pressure on the speaker of the house from the house freedom caucus and what'sembers were mue vocal. on one hand, the hester rule has had a significant effect on legislating and what can be brought up in the house over the years but this congress we had seen an even smaller number of more vocal and that threat of going after the speaker that has a significant impact. host: what has that more focal group then the freedom caucus?

what have they said about wha ta motion to vacate? guest: there have been some red lines drawn. marjorie taylor green bronson issues up regarding ukraine funding. at this point, as we comeí< towr the next funding deadline, there hasn't been a massive push toward it lately. is something that could come up randomly. ther some wered lines drawn around ukraine aid. there is a lot of pressure on immigration measures. we have not heard an explicit redline drawn but there was a lot of anger among the most conservative members about what was negotiated in the senate negotiated order and immigration measure that was supposed to be packaged with ukraine and israel aid. those are some of the toughest issues where you seenward that . because it only takes one member

to bring it up, it's a bit unclear. host: in maryland, this is ed, democrat, good morning. caller: yes, good morning. i have a couple of questions on earmarks. i know your marks were banned at one time so which party brought back you■

the push to bring earmarks there was definitely bipartisan interest but the first steps were by democrats who, when they won in the 2018 election come you started hearing discussions about it and after the 2020 election, there were steps taken to bring them back. they pbawonot have done that if there is not a significant amount of interest from republican legislators who wanted to include them. in couple of years, you saw a significant number of your marks proposed by democrats who led the push. en funding levels, they had tried to keep it pretty close but it depends who has the majority. there was a fight this lastsumme house majority, they set up about a 61-39%en where the money goes to the majority gets more money but it's not 90/10.

republicans have abided by that level despite them submitting fewer requests than democrats. right now in the house, you see more earmark funding by republicans because they took the majority in the senatek< ara it an advantage for democrats. when the last bills come out, i'm not sure how it will break wn but it should be pretty close. the first couple of years, it was more money by democrats who had the majority in both chambers. host: get into the earmarks in your story. there were dozens of members who voted against that bill but got earmarks in the bill that passed that they voted against. guest: 42 members voted against it but had earmarks in it. of them were republicans, more on the conservative side, some in more competitive

districts, to democrats. earmarks can get members involved in the legislative process and maybe give them a stake bu'ndshake deal that meanu vote for this bill and that means you get money. it may grease the wheels to some extent but it's as direct an exchange. host: so is it a way for them to have it both ways? yes, we've seen that the past couple of years especially on the conservative side, members of noted against the infrastructure bill but have some benefits coming back to their district area we will likely see some press releases or ribbon for the funding coming back to these districts. it's more on the republican side. remembers on the republican side had money ins significant amounts. randy weber in texas was one of the tar desktop recipients.

matt gaetz who once called earmarks a corrupt practice got a $50 million project in his district. you may see some critiques from democrats and what they see as an a progress there but there definitely isgainst bill may toe money they are bringing back to their district. host: the phone lines are as usual. this is an independent in queens, good morning i call your station once every six or seven months. let me make three quick points and i will move on. host: go ahead, we are running short on time. do you remember when donald

trump said trust cia and the russians? two [indiscernible] amp of said file for bankruptcy during the first recession. joe biden and barack obama helps doing for this country. democrats saved america from two recessions. host: what's the third point? i look around this country i see projects bei■

zébuilt. republicans want to tell their constituents that we brought it to you. joe biden brought the restoration projects in all these changes. more than 200,000 jobs in this economy. he's produced more jobs than donald trump ever did. even more than barack obama did. [indiscernible] host: we got your point. was there anything you wanted to follow uth you will probably hea lot of that in the budget hearings on the president's budget. every time we go to these hearings regarding the■. presidt budget, it gets into the very recent trend over the lasming ic

circumstances. you hear about that debate over job creation what the unemployment rate is at the beginning of a democratic administration. bobby scott in the house say■s thq#ere's supposed to be a house budget committee hearing on budget committee hearing on >> later this week the house would force legislationoce tiktok to diversities ownership or face a ban. live coverage now of the house on c-span.