host: this is the washington journal for march 12. the senate and house will hear

from the heads of the cia about world threats and how they could impact the united states. testimony over china, russia and the southern border along with tiktok. what do you think are the top threats facing the united states today and what would you like the federal government to do about it? 02, (202) 748-8001 for republicans and independents (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003 post on facebook at facebook.com/cspan and on x at cspanwj■. with the release of the worldwide threats report, you can find it online on the sena side, the annual threat

assessment to the intelligence community. here are some of the lines concerning possible threats and how they impact the u.s.. china has a capability to directly compete andqjnq aer ort support beijing power. russia's ongoing aggression in ukraine. local and regional powers are trying to gain and exert influence at the cost of neighbors. regional and local is conflict from has israel in the israeli attack on gaza. instability from east asia, africa exacerbated by global challenges have the chance to blow over into many domains.

that is from the intelligence world with their assessment you can find it you want to read it but when it comes to what you think could be a top that whether it's inside or outside the united states you can let us know. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans an and independents (202) 748-8002 and you can text us at (202) 748-8003. the headline from the washington examiner, christopher wray describes a wide arrange of threats stemming from the southern border. [video clip] >> we know unknowntraveled acron

border and crossed illegally into the country. members or people with ties to dangerous gangs, like gangs, were they among the people coming into the country? i don'e specific game but we have had dangerous>> are we seeing crimer people who entered into the country these three years? >> from an fbi perspective, we are seeing a wide array of dangerous threats that emanate from the border from drug trafficking and fbi has seen enough fentanyl to kill millions of people.

>>ou enforcement, the assault of police officers in new them said they had ties to this game but there is no doubt the people who were criminals in their country of origin have crossed the states committing crimes? >> correct. host: that's just a portion of the hearing from yesterday. aside from the fbi director christopher wray, the director of national and in the state assistant secretary brett holcombe, national security association and others before the senate. all of them will appear before the house side at 2:00 talking about the global threats to the united states. this will be in front of the

house intelligence committee and you can follow along on our as he spread now. to your thoughts facing the united states. bargaining starts a soft, good morning. caller: yes, good morning. the greatest threat is donald trump. they forgot him. he stormed the government and tried to overthrow the government and the white nationalist, they have the hold republican party living in fear. host: barney expressing his throat. in washington state we will hear from liz. caller: thiwhtacoma wept with e mess. do you think in your honest opinion, the king, donald trump

can solve this without bloodshed? host: why do you think that's a 13 the united states? caller: is a thermonuclear war. were getting dragged in. and what are we doing? ? this is not of both sides issue. think of the cost. this is just the cost or are there other applications? caller: we don't have an iron dome. if people start shucking things at us, what are we going to do? host: the report takes a look at

the gaza conflict on page 24 if you were to look it up saying

the hamas attack israel in october and israel's campaighasm hamas. social media campaigns on all side wailing public relations from world and the gaza conflict is causing a problem the face public sentiment el and united states for death and destruction in gaza. the directf national and to release date and you can find it on the senate side from the senate intelligence committee. maybe there is something you agree with is the top threat. collison let us know. doug in ohio on the independent line, top threat facing the united states? caller: good morning how are you

today? host: good, thank you. caller: i think the biggest threat is maga. they are destroying this country from the they say if he loses they are ready to go to war. that's ridiculous. they are going to tear this we don't stop them now. host: doug from ohio on the independent line. terry is next on the republican line. caller: i think the top threat is whoever is in the white house today. the fbi, all intelligence services of the reason i say that, one thing that did happen is. it was all a scam and all they

did was raised her money host: why are all of those things that threat today? caller: look at the world, look at the economy, lucas wasn't coming across the border? american citizens dying again. host: terry in illinois, and it is next from nebraska. on the democrat sign. -side. caller: our greatestif we lose e trumpians. they don't know what they will be setting forth in this country because we will enr

mind, exactly? caller: it's a terrible threat. i'm 85 years old and i had experiences in world war ii even as a kid i was very conscious and i always determined i would never be a pafet. it is happening and i kept trying for years, these countries have changed from democracy to autocracy to terrible dictatorships. and is happening the exactly the same way that is hapaing here. we had so much comfort that we were in vulnerable and we have it listed paid attention to the signs and we should have. it's a very gradual process.

host: and that in nebraska. from social media this morning, this is derek chapman on x, highlighting the nation's debt is the greatest threat to the united states. so texting is saying, a huge threat to the united states remains the ability for a few bad actors to spread misinformation the internet, fly drones and steal from individual systems. and on facebook, the people in charge of the current president in the white house is the largest threat to the united states. side, it is cspanwj on eggs and if you just want to text us on your phone or device (202) 748-8003.

you could always call the lines two. geathe independent land, this is stan. caller:t facing the united states as corruption, and i am an independent voter and i would like someone to hear our actingresident to articulate how much compromising he did when you use 95 executive orders to destroy the border in the first place. how much compromising did he do? host: the national debt is what you started with. caller: our money supply is about to become worthless. the national debt increases trillion dollars every 30 days. we are headed towards a cliff were all going to go off■r inten which is obvious with the biden

crime family. the destroyed rome and thus was going to destroy us. host: from joe, joe was in louisiana on the republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. caller: i think joe biden is the biggest threat we have right nos country and that's all i've got to say. ■j office, i gained from drop my income was better. ■everything is postwar expensiv.

when you can't buy food and stuff like that, especially people with low incomes. they are struggling. joe biden is the problem. host: peter in new york -- new work new jersey. caller: it's the republicans holding everything up. host: let me ask you this, you cited republicans in holding things up what did mean by that? caller they're not passing anything. every time trump says no, they

jump. not one man should have that much power. host: the intelligence report cited a couple of things when he came to weapons. you could find it online,lligene senate side. chemical weapons's situations other than state on state military operations could increase in the near future. syria's use of chlorine and sarah against opposition groups and north korea's use of chemical agentwhen it comes to l weapons, rapid advancing technology underscore the threat of biological threats.

bioinformatics, nanotechnology and genomic editing could develop biological threats. that was put together by the intelligence community. those members of the community in front of both houses today. at 10:00 today, on the app you can follow along as the same leaders testify before the house intelligence community on the threats facing the united states. you could answer thoughts of the mix as well during the course of the morning. let's hear from robert andtexase independent line. caller: it's internal. our untry is so vided right now and we are the precipice

of a revolution in this country from internal sources. i blame that on the politicians for inaction. not addressing issues at home. kicking the can down the road, hoping someone will come up with the solutions down the road. internally, we he become so divided. you can pass the blame around to the media and politicians, we've experienced something in the last 12 years that is unprecedented in this country wher other and claim that we are the united states and it's a real shame. a lot of the blame i thought it was just politicians and ability to act in a bipartisan way on

issues that 90% of them agree. there may be some sticking points. ■o thing so we can agree on first. and we will move those down the road. just i to ignore it altogether because of the sticking points. congress has basically done the last two years. host: what issue do you think has been pushed forthhat should be rally together? caller: social inequality this is something people see every day when they go to work. you have the homeless people on the stres. very few of them are being taken care of. veteran issues, people are not paying enough attention.

i think our military is overextended. wasting money on frivolous wars overseas. we need to put the focus back on the united states and we need to put the focus back on being united of working together as a country. we seem to have completely forgotten. host: we got the point, yeah. le■dt's hear from dell on the democrat line. caller: let's address the gorillan the omthis man has dont come out with all nazi, nazi, nazi-ism.

r or by over the other day. if you think for one moment you cannot get out there and vote you better vote because of this man gets back in office, guess who's can you be next? host:■y one of the topics i came up at that hearing, they heard from the director of intelligence that she talked about the current conflicts going on in the middle east and how that could affect the united states. [video clip] >> this crisis in gaza is a stark example of how regional developments of the potential for broader implications. having lasted for more than five months the gaza conflict has new humanitarian challenges by pulling in ranges of new actors.

we continue to assess hezbollah and iran do not want to cause an escalation in the polls us or them into a full out war. yet the hou weret willi t thehis militia groups have been attacking our forces using the conflispursue their own agenda. the crisis has galvanized violence by a range of factors around the world. as likely it will have a generational role and on terrorism. they've directed■ supporters to attack israelis and u.s. -- host: one of many topics that were discussed on the worldwide

threat hearing on the senate side. till find that online as some of you are responding to the top threats facing the united states. one says rampant inflation, open borders, the possible reelection of donald trump is the greatest threat this country faces. it will be in unrecoverable disaster if we do so. you can texas if you wish -- text us if you wish (202) 748-8003we have kevin on the li. caller: i'm active military. i literally am an independent. the greatest cha now is the bor. i will give you a real life example.

kathy skillful put in the national guard and they said everything was fine with the subways. we know there are biological's coming through thepen borders. we know this has taken time to achieve but we also knew 9/11 when it took years to put that together. i would remind you with what we are seeing with boeing, open borders with chinese coming over, intelligent engineers. you see the end result of boeing planes. don't take the subways of new york city and think twice about planes. host: how do you co tconclusion? caller: if you talk to the people involved at a high levelñ and look at the timelines of when certain planes are coming and people coming over the border.

these are not people who are ditch diggers. they are engineers with the design focus and they are entrenched, independent contractor. they are not being vetted and they don't have the same clearances and they are assemblingot assembling the wheels on the planes in the doors. be careful in the subways. we are■x't take the subways. we are living in the most dangerous time. host: ralph in mississippi. your top threat facing the u.s.? caller: if they wanted to stop this, they should print a thousand vote truck t-shirts. he let all these people and, future voters he thinks.

we are the richest country in the world. [inaudible] i apologize, you are breaking up. we got the first part. the report from the dni has a section take a look on issues wihe as part of the threat assessment by the intelligence community. they talked about environmeal change and extreme weather. risks are increasing as environmental change,rs and lowe countries will lead to economic challenges and intercommunal conflict over resources and increase the need for humanitarian assistance.

poised to contribute to cross-border migration resources increases the risk of miscalculation while there is military tension countries in the arctic territory. maybe you share it adheres to t. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans and independents (202) 748-8002. an iowa, this isn on the democrat line. caller: i think the biggest threat to our country as a republicans in the senate we have some very uneducated

people in there who do not understand climate change and listening to donald trump us to what they should do. as far as the border andth things, there is so much talk about how old do so provided is but he has seen a lot and h■!e'f these younger congresspeopleth'. they don't know what we've been through and what could happen in ukraine with russia taking it over. i guess that's all i have to say. host: sexes is next, that's where glenn is.caller: hello. i disagree with the lady before me.

senile joe biden wantsbillion f. why would he want to borrow money from china? ,000 chinese in this country, that's an army. we are gettingdisaster. he is leading in all these terrorists into our country and they will rise up. i want to say they will rise up in november. host: how do you associate the chinese army with the united states? caller: associated with tiktok. they are spies. why would they want to buy land next to our military bases? joe+ biden is so stupid he lets

them come in here and take over our country. host: howrú caller: i'm over-the-top clearance in the pentagon, fellow. host: tony is next. goodxa morning. caller: good morning. i thinks debt. host: are you a united states citizen? caller: no, i'm in california. host: oh, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. go ahead. caller: so i think it's our debt. and since our u.s. dollars, the world currency, that other countries don't want to deal■g■n we print our money. so i think that's what's causing all this. host: and what can

it, do you think? caller: i think our president needs to go and have a talk with putin face-to-face and figure it out. he wanted to join nato at one point on that interview with tucker. so why are we going to have problems? hat i'm saying? i don't understand it. maybe this is something that i don't understand. i think our debt is going to cause a big problem. because it's a fact that every 30 years, there's a collapse basically and it's been 40 since the last one. so i think it's about that time. and if we don't -- host: henry in maryland, democrats line. caller: you know, to c-span fort two years and every year and every time that they listen that every time somethidemocrats get. we have -- host: are you there?

caller: yeah. host: keep going. caller: we have more chaos with other countried if the republicans can't have their way and with all of this document stuff going around, so is a lot of stuff happening on t the peoe republicans that believe in donald trump most of them are middle income aey really both ir best interest. seem like they're running the country and creating the chaos for so they can have their way. thank you. host: so what's the top threat in your mind? caller:he tophl threat in my mind is putin. it's putin, trying to take over. and he's a dictator. and people like dictators. they only want dictators when it's benefiting them, not others. so otherwise, what i'm saying is

the brown and dark better wake t and vote. thank you. host: ok. ronaldo up next, north carolina, republican line on the top threat u.s. go. ahead. caller: my opinion about what's going on. biden's the problem. we get rid of biden, our country would be better off and get trump it's just common sense. host: so as far as the specific, what makes the current president a top threat? caller: well, he's crooked with his son and his family's crooked. they sold us out to china and russia and ukraine. ok. donald there in north carolina giving us his thoughts. let's hear from david in michigan, democrats lin. caller: good morning.

how are you doing today? well, from what i can -- i keep up with c-span. i watch the main news station. i'm really up on everything that have to do with politics. and to me, the biggest by far is donald trump. he has ruined the republican party. i believe he's working to advance putin and russia. and he got all those people on that republican party worshipping him and to me, i don't see any bigger threat to the united states and i'm 70. i' april. i have never seen anything like this in my life. if we don't win this election against trump, i thinkur when yr president is out to advance putin and russia, what do you mean by that? caller: the way i seen him go to that meeting when he was

president, the way he went in there and met with putin and the way he had putinn the white house and never let no american people in there to see what they were saying, but he let the russians in there. that told me right then something's just not right. and this man is not for the united states. i don't know what's going on. he have all those people bamboozled. they're worshipping him. they think h coming of jesus christ and it's the scariest part of american history that i could ever imagine i would be■< lg in. host: this is a viewer offf x. saying our mistrust of both each other and both political parties. another ew x saying

that it's trumpism. it's destroyed friendship, family, businesses and it sets sights on our way of life, how we govern and the standing of world stage is under threat of theb this country. c.i.a. director william burns being tapped by the white house and related issues. one of the things he spoke about yesterday was the support for ukraine, particularly what he sees is the continued support from washington of the efforts in ukraine. a portion from yesterday but just to warn you during the time he was interrupted briefly by a protesto on our c-span now app or pour website. but here's a portion. >> without supplemental assistance, it seems to me lies a grimmer future. ukraine is likely to lose ground, significant ground in

2024. i saw, you know, in the which fd before i was on this last visit, the consequences of t know, youn partner describe what happened to me he said our men fought as long and as hard as they could. rewant out of ammunition and the russians kept coming. without supplemental assistance in 2024, you're going to see■d more of this. and that would be a massive and historic mistake for the united states. >> what lesson do you think the ccp will take from that? >> i think the consequence of that will not just be for ukraine or european security -- >> [indiscernible]

>> ple continue. >> sure. no, i think the consequences of that is going to be affect the end of pacific. we seem to be walking away from support of the ukraine not only is that going to feed out amongst our allies, it's goingme chinese leadership in contingencies ranging from taiwan to the south c senate side yesterday. more expected on the house side today on our app at c-span now. that's how youg with these leaders testifying before the house intelligence committee. and if you have the app, you ca. perry is next on our republican line. call.r: thank you f i think the number one problem

is the fiscal policy. we have a white house, andpresen that is trying to -- get it togo we don't have trillions of dollars of border, for crying out loud, can anybody understand the border? what's happening there? can anybody understand that? that is a history. every one of those people or a great amount of need help. they need help. they need money. they need care of all types. i just think the fiscal policy in this country is the number one threat. and the government actually that we have now will come through your belly. they come through your belly. they want to through -- come

through you just because they keep you fed and that n?ty■■s of thing. the main thing we should do is try to do a good day's work and be strong, people, not being led around. i think if we get back to bib k58 -- biblical, a good christian lifestyle in this country, we will be host: ok. perry brought up fiscal matterst for the 2025 budget that you can find some breakdowns in the papers this morning. this is from "u.s.a. today" saying that he released the federal budget that carves out the social programs for housing, health care and child care and reduces the deficit by $3 trillion over the next decade by

raising taxes on corporations in the wealthiest it's $7.3 trillion budget is a 4.7% increase over the current budget. it seeks to boost and non-defense discretionary spending by 2.4%. the spending complies, the story goes on with caps that house republicans pushed last year in exchange for the raising of the debt limits although the budget has no chance of advance in the republican controlled house bit establishes president biden's priority for the campaign and creates contrast for an election rematch against presumptive nominee kelsey plum. that's the takeaway from the -- donald trump. that's the takeaway.

north carolina, larry, joins us on our independent line. caller: yes, sir, good mng. host: good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i believe the biggest threat is the bran way,ing -- brainwashing of the american people by the mainstream media. the vitriol and hatred towards the former president keeps rearing its ugly]e■ hd. and it won't stop just like george stephanopoulos did this weekend in berating nancy may who was a rape victim and tried to make it something else about trump being a bad person. it's just unfortunate. and i believe that the mainstream media pepper operates

-- perpetrates and m believe it. caller: our biggest threat in our country are two things. common sense and -- [indiscernible] host: ok. caller: i feel like half the country right now are not using common sense. and the fear is our elect officials at our local state and federal level. fear for because they will keep in our office and they are -- to care

for these people without common sense. and whenay have no common sense, [indiscernible] watch them when drowning, knowing that all they had to do is stand up. host: ok. i apologize to stop you but i really do. it's just the way your phe breaking up. got your thought. thank you for calling. lloyd this west virginia, republican line. hello. ca hello? host: you're on. go ahead. caller: yeah. i think the worst problem this country is joe biden. he's lake a drug dealer. he supports all the bad habits. supports abortion, open border, inflation,ri, system, racism ann debt.

and the democrats are supporting him and they're just as bad72 and so, that's the way i look at it. and that's what i got to say. host: ok. lloyd there in west virginia. one of the things look out on the house side is the legislative effort to curtail the activities of the social media platform tiktok. you potential could take place as early as tomorrow. the platform was also a point of discussion at yesterday's hearing, concerns particularly about his concerns to its china pairing company. here's a bit on that marco rubio. >> it is powered by an algorithm based on artificial intelligence where the more you use it, the e it in reads your mind. that algorithm is not owned by tiktok. it's owned by a chinese company, correct? >> that's my understanding. >> and so the only way that

algorithm works is if that chinese company has access to that data generated by tiktok. so it doesn't matter where the data is stored, ultimately, they have to have access to it in order to make the algorithm work, correct? >> right. what you're getting to is the key point is that the parent company is for all intents and purposes behold on the ccp. >> if they went to him and said we want you to change your algorithm so that americans start seeing videos that hurt this candidate or help that candidate in the upcoming election, biden would have to do that turned chinese law. >> that's my understanding. >> and if they said we want you

to put pout astros that makes americans fight with each other biden can't go to the chinese court. they would have to do it. >> that's my understanding and i would just that that kind of influence operation or the different kinds of influence operations you're describingre o detect which is part of what makes the national security concerns represented by tiktok so right. thanks. host: again, from yesterday's hearing on the senate side. again, those leaders will be testifying on 10:00 today. lenny in massachusetts, independent lionel. good morning. -- independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. the biggest threat that we're facing right now is that as time goes on, because o of both partt anything done, we're moving more

and more towards an authoritarian government with the more power through executive authority. i think donald trump is probably the worst example of that. but i think joe biden right now is probably wanting to use executive authority to close down the border. i know trump will do that. so as time goes on, we're seeing that happen. and i think until we get rid of both parties, it's just going to get worse. host: lenny there in massachusetts. a viewer off of x saying the biggest threat to the united states is greed and the tin come gap between the rich and the poor and racism and the contour schism between confederate states and the yankee states, northern states. the republic morphing into an empire in consolidation of power at me federal level. where is the will of the people

in this scenario? the mix on our social media site if you wish. interesting to watch out for today on the networks, particularly when it comes to testimony at 10:00. robert herr will testify and he served as vice president during the baltimore administration. 10:00 on c-span3 and c-span now and our mobile app and our c-span.org. and also we talked a little bit about the budget of more of an explanation coming from the white house budget director today. he will outlet the newly released budget request. the $7.3 trillion will praise taxes and corporations from the wealthy over the next decade. 105, w hear that testimony. wesley is in milwaukee, democrats line.

hello. wesl morning. caller: good morning. hello? host: hi. you're on. caller: ok. i think the biggest problem here in the united states right now is that people are so construed about where we're supposed to be today, meaning that the people that's so mad at this country and i'm not trying to knock one side other, but there's a true anger towards one another. the republican part and the democrat part. and i feel like most republicans feel mixed up because their flag has been taken the confederate flag and their statues have been removed. and they really fought for that. so it's a real hurt there. i understand that. to the democl

like they are people of solutions, problems. and the republicans are just bitter because of the people that migrating and everything like that but i feel like we need every one of them because china's got a billion more people than us. and they use that to the advantage. i heard every one rehab, they go need those people that -- against, you know? >> ok. wesley there in milwaukee. this is mark in ohio, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. you know, just the weakest leadership and you played on your sound bites, the weakest leadership from top to bottom,

from joe biden clear down the establishment, t administration, even the military's so weak. that's our biggest problem. and another problem have the -- how long is that going to last? we just be printing money. $7.2 trillion for the next budget? what for? look at our infrastructure. look at everything around us. i'm in my 60's. i've never seen this country. i lived through the cold war. i remember in elementary school and we had drills. and that was nothing compared to what's going on today. we ought to be ashamed of leaver children. i know these people talking democrat and republicans and the gelen from michigan who was a trump hater, obviously. let's get over all that, people. and the mainstream media is a big part of the problem. the lihey put out on evening news. last night on the evening news, nbc led off with a story about i

think -- [indiscernible] host: ok. caller: it's crazy what we've seen. host: maria, new jersey, independent line. hello there. caller: oh, hello, pedro. i think several people made sure our problem is internal corruption in our country and i think we have to investigate the agreements between two world ward two which are 16 -- which gives israel and other countries spying power for i think we have to get out of the foreign entangle. s and on c-span, they had victor -- wehave to come home and takee of our own country.

everyone watching had better reform and quickly and thank you so much. host: ok. that's maria in new jersey. one more bit of sound. this is from the hearing yesterday.■c a discussion about what's known as the section 702 surveillance program used post the iraq war in the unitedvw states. an effort to make changes. that was brought up by the chair of the committee asking about cd impact intelligence gathering going forward. here is a bit from about the surveillance program from yesterday. >> some have actually said where we didn't■s go far ■&ough and ty would propose a reform that would require agencies to seek a warrant before conducting u.s. persond you explain what would happen practical level both from the ic side and side if that

requirement was put in place? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i think the short answer is a warrant requirement for us u.s.e untenable and would largely gut the effectiveness of the authority and i say that for several reasons. first, it would blind us to information already lawfully in our possession that we need to be able to review and act on in a very time sensitive way to be able to stop terrorist attacks, protect the victim from cyberattack, warn somebody who is potentially target with assassination or kidnapping. second, in many instances, at the time that query would be run,e the probable cause that a query term is associated with an agent of a foreign power. that's what query tells us. and so you got that problem. and then third problem is an awful lot of the places that

we're using 702ue are to assist victims and to prevent potential victims from further attacks whether terrorist attacks, cyberattacks, etc. so you would never be able to get a warrant requirement, even if there were some kind of delay built into it. that alone for a these threats which are extremely time sensitive, i think the dni correctly used the term agility, that is the key. implore congret to take that additional step. host: more available on the website and the dumo from georgia, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning, threat tod trump. he is so toxic not juste entire. other leaders is so -- african

leaders are -- and it's not helping us. i do not want a leader that would be on the -- problem outside america. and you will know how wrong america is now because please come out and vote. don't vote for donald trump. he is very toxic to america andd states. go. travel outside. i do not want a leader wearing diaper! host: by the way, another regarding an effigy of the current president joe biden. this is reported by "the washington post" about that effigy who reportedly was beaten and it kicked at a kansas county republican event, drawing

outrage after the event. that's at "the washington post." kendrick in south carolina, republican line. hi. caller: hey, yes. it's been a pedro. wow. i'm astonished about how misinformed americans. one of the facing is our national debt. it's about $34 trillion and climbing and illeg immigration. people coming across the border without checking for diseases, criminal records, starting to know who they are, coming from communist china, coming th the airports and ukraine and russia situation. ukraine was promised they would never want to be a part of nato. ukraine was closing in on russian borders. i'm not saying russia is right.g the state of the union they're they can spring food through

that island. why don't they say we're coming to israel to -- [indiscernible] over 30 million palestinians died since october 7 and nobody cares. host: ok. hold on. this is the last call in florida. independent line. you're the last call. go ahead. caller: yes, good morni america. i think that the major threat is not really domestic here. i think we have a system that is robust and it will take us for a long time and it would sort itself out. there are always ups and downs. the big threat comes from outside. and i truly believe that the middle east is the core of all the issues. those of you who aren't old enough to may the games of wars, it's a board game. that was kind of funny. because those who control the region, that criticalion

that has three different countries, would take over the whole game. and that's how it starts there. that's all o p the middle east. and if we resolve it and come up with a peaceful solution, that would give stability for this world. thank you very much. host: last call on this topic on top threats in the united states. again, that hearing at 10:00 if you want to follow along. thank you for all who participated. a couple of guests joining us throughout the course of the morning. up next, we'll be joined by matt bennett, he's the co-founder for the senate left group third way. their op session to the no to field a third party unity ticket this fall and other topics. later on in the program chuck deboer from■ the texas public policy program on the efforts to secure the southern border with mexico amilega battles with

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you cannot use partisan names in your description for your think tank. host: if yoarin to joe biden what you think of the number of people that would align themselves that way? guest: it is a pretty big nuers. if you look the way partisan breakdown works moderates are a plurality of the public. not all moderates arecenter-rig. as we have seen more polarization and the republican party in the conservative movement moving to the i think a lot of the folks who identify as moderate are now probably democratic voters. i think is a pretty big number. when you look at the people who win presidential nominations they tend to be centerleft. host: centrists moving off the stage with kyrsten sinema and j manchin and mitt romney.

what do these exits indicate? guest: i think some are idiosyncratic. it would be tougtonia. joe manchin has defied gravity there for so many years. i think congress is getting to be a very toxic place for people in the middle. there is still a large group of centerleft people in the democratic conference in the house and senate. on the right there are far fewer and that is difficult for people who regard themselves as dealmakers not to have people on the others have the deal. host: what you think the three i mentioned contributes far as getting a more centrist approach? guest: a tremendous amount, particularly in theadministratin and christensen amount were at the forefront and responsible for the seven bipartisan bills joe biden has signed so far in

addition to negotiating for changes to the partisan bills he signed. they played a huge role. host: how much influence what you say those groups have currently in congress? guest: not very much in the house because the house is run by one party so there is not a lot of democratic input. if the democrats retake the house you can see a significant amount of influence. jeffrey's trends in that fraction. heegards himself as a moderate and understands dealmaking requires compromise and he especially understands the moderates in the house tend to be seats that are tough to hold. these are the front line every time. if he wants to maintain a majority he estimate sure those people are taken care of. host: your orgazation has done a lot railing against the group no labels.

why is that? guest: we knew what ae to joe bd it could serve as a spoiler to help donald trump. when you look at the two races trump has run for president, 2016 and 2020, third parties helped him enormously in 2016 and the fact there were not-9 ae difference. we are really worried about third-party candidates in general, especially worried about a ticket that is purportedly moderate. they are attacking joe biden not from the fringes like where rfk junior is, but from the center. dangerous. we think that is an opportunity that trump -- it is is only a way of winning. he cannot get above 50%. that means he needs help from third-party candidates. we are worried this to be the biggest help.

host: you talk about the work of centrists. this approach does not sit well. is there some idea how those relate? guest: it is confusing. the word third is in oroup. in other contexts a third-party effort, particular for down ballot races could be very interesting and might help with polarization. diving in at the presidential level in a cycle in which donald trump is on the ballot. trump is someone i regard as an axis digital threat to our republic is the wrong way of going about it. positively no way they can elect their candidate. the only thing their candidate can do is cause disruption between the major party candidates and the destruction will benefit trump. host: our guest is with us. if you want to ask him questions labels, (202) 748-8000 democrats, (202)

748-8001 for republicans, and independents (202) 748-8002. you can also post on facebook and on x. %?we had one of the chief strategists of no labels talking about his efforts and what he had to say about criticisms his group has taken. >> the thing is you have to look at past elections. certainly over the course of the last decades independents do not get much traction. for you to think they could get traction you have to believe this time is different than previous elections. we believe that and voters believe that. you can go down the list of meics. we have never been in a situation where both parties are this unpopular, where the presumptive nominees are this

unpopular, where people are this pessimistic about the future of the country. whene thinking there was an inkling of an opening for this was two years ago. a consistent question we've been asking overump have invited -- e trump-biden at a moderateor an ? the first time we asked that 59% of voters said they would be open to that ticket. why is that so important? it is not because we think an independent would get 59% of the te because with the multi-candidate race they do not have to get close to that. the electoral college is winner take all. if you are in a multi-race and you get 35% of estate you get 100% of the electoral votes. host: he was asked about the group being a spoiler going into this race. go ahead.

guest: there are three huge problems with what ryan laid out. historic. no one running as a third-party candidate has come remotely close to winning the presidency. est was teddy roosevelt doing this four years after leaving office is one of the most popular presidents in american history. 15ears lerwould be carved into mount rushmore. this is a popular guy. he ran as a third-party candidate and got his clock cleaned. since then, no one has gotten -- all of the electoral votes won by third-party since then do not add up to 270. the last person to win a single electoral vote was george wallace in 1968 as an overt racist.

people are that you had people running is racist winning electoral votes but not anywhere close. the second thing ryan points to his this metric he loves, which is that people might be open to voting third-party. of course they will say there will be open to voting for a third-party. if a waiter said would you like three choices -- two choices or three choices, most people would say they like three choices. this voting metric has been asked for manypeople are that ye running is years and never correlates to support for third-party candidates. the final thing i will say is if you look at all the polling, including no labels own polling they show the race between biden and trump in a two way contest is basically tied. trump is slightly ahead right now. very close. because bidens floor in this campaign is soft. there are people that in a two wayswallow hard and vote for joe biden. if they were given a third

option some of them might peel away. trump's flr hard but his ceiling is low. biden can move up and down. if third-party choice they might take it in small enough numbers for them not to win but in large enough to affect the outcome. host: our fst call comes from nick in florida, republican line. caller: the first thing i would like to say centerleft organizations are simply left-wing organizations. they do not have the courage to admit it. your guest startedthe things hes an existential threat. left-wingers like that word come existential. is such a threat, how is it he was president for four years, we had a prosperous economy, we had peace around the

world, there was no ukraine war, there was no middle east war, how is he this big threat? if he could explain that? also elections are not national. they are bistate. the presid■÷ents are elected by the electoral college. saying trump does not get above 40% is immaterial. talking point. two questions and i will go. what is your disposition on illegal aliens coming into the country and killing americans. the other question is on election night in 2020, why was it necessary for three states to stop counting and then begin counting again after they had kept all of the poll watchers out? host: you put a lot out for the

guest. guest: let me start with his first comment that centerleft is the same as left. that is not the case. we have profound differences with people in our party like bernie sanders. we are united as a party and finding trump to be an enormous threo we do have real differenc. on the question of why do i regard trump as an existential threat, the man tried to foment an insurrection against the united states. as the caller made clear he has not accepted the outcome of a free and fair election. and in running for president this time it is clear he wants to govern as an authoritarian. just yesterday he was talking about how much he admires victor or bondarian leader of hungry. he talks about how he would like

to be in on a cracked. how he would like to cancel -- how he would l an autocrat. how he would like to cancel parts of the constitution. you have literally and seriously. he learned a lot about how to be president and the things in the second term are enormously sci will not take the second question where he asked about a bunch of nonsense. ourpeople committing crimes is those people should be jailed or deported. we cannot have that. & note that the president did say the name of lake and riley during the address and democrats are to talk about the fact there is a real problem at the border. the problem needs to be addrsethe president does not hae enough power on his own to

address those programs -- those problems. esident has endorsed a very tough bill negotiated by a very conservative senator from oklahoma and chris murphy from connecticut. it is a tough deal, it is hard to swallow for democrats. the president is on board. we hope congress is, too. host: this is from georgia. good morning. caller: the problem with the democratic party is opyou use bu in office and then you start these wars in ukraine, israel. we did not support israel to do this or any other country to do this. you use black people and you will not get out and talk about white people. the majority of white people they support trump. he always talk about the black vote.

exes is not red. florida is getting more because of illegal people from ukraine and venezuela. they are not democrats. these people are coming in the fascism they are bringing from germany. that is where trump came from. a nazi head you will not admit it. host: you made the point several times a will let our guest respond. guest: i did not quite follow all of the points. i will say democrats agree with your call a lot more than he might think. we are not responsible and neither are republicans responsible for wars in ukraine or in gaza.the approach to thoss quite different. the approach you are seeing from

president biden and donald trump and his followers. the idea that we are causing these wars and bringing people into the country is not true. host: when you talked about moderates and how they differ from progressives, what is one of those topics there are differences? guest: both on economic issues and other things there are real differences. in the 2020 primaries when you had joe biden and amy klobuchar and pete buttigieg running against bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, this got be clear. medicare for all became a big point between the moderates and the2020. since then, the idea of defunding the police, which started with but moved into the democratic mainstream divided the moderates from the

more liberal members of the caucus. and more regular day-to-day ways , the big difference economically is that moderates believe we need robust capitalism but that requires regulation. we are democrats. we believe you cannot have unfettered capitalism. there folks on the farther left who think we should be socializing things. medicare for all is socialized medicine. that would be 1/5 of the american economy. host: jerry joins us from independent line. caller: earlier you were talking about independents not really having a chance in a race. robert f kennedy, jr., in the ads i've been seeing things he has a chance, especially among young voters and i'm wondering

what your thoughts are with regards to rfk, jr., and in general why is he not covered anymore in the general media? guest: an excellent question. robert kennedy is running for president. he is only currently on the ballot in two states. one of the things that causes skepticism about whether he could compete to win is he is not on the ballot anywhere besides utah and new hampshire so far. they are working to get on the ballot and we are worried about that. fundamentally the question is can he compete to win the election? i would argue there is no chance of that whatsoever. not only bec he is running as a third-party, but the views he has been carrying as a presidential candidate and before that -- he came to fame because he is profoundly

anti-vaccine. not just theov vaccines and he d the world trying to convince people not to use vaccines, which has been enormously dangerous and outbreaks and other things as a direct result of his advocacy against vaccines. that is a fringe idea. there are people who believe in that but it is not widely held. when people learn more about who he is his popularity will go down, not up. that said, i think the caller has a real point he could attract some voters, people who do not like vaccines, there are people that are attracted to him because he is vibrant and youthful and named robert f kennedy, jr.,me close to winning pluralities in states you need to win. host: texas. democrats line. caller: i am a democrat. i hope biden can get back in

there. i am not a trump fan at all. he should never be able to run. ery law in the united states and he tried to overturn the government. ■xi never saw this country divid like it is now. i do not understand the people voting trump. thank you. i cannot agree more. congress had the opportunity to ensure trump would not be able to run again. he broke a lot of laws, including very serious ones around causing an insurrection. when the second impeachment happened there was a real opportunity, there was a moment when mitch mcconnell could have used hisheld as the leader of te republican senate to get us to

the two-thirds majority required to impeach the president and that would've prevented him from running again. mitch mcconnell did not do that. since. the fact that trump has rebounded as a leader of his party and now mcconnell is on his way o tls you what you need to know. i am with the caller. however trump is going to be the nominee and will be on the ballot in right now he has a pretty good chance of winning. we are quite worried. host: you did your own internal poll taking a look at the noble labels efforts and you said the allure is dim and fades quickly. guest: we tested a variety of things around the third-party threat. we found the same thing i said earlier. a head-to-head race between trump and biden is tied. when you add the moderate independent candidate, that

candidate comes in a distant third. then we tested what we thought to be the most ambitious ticket they could possibly hope for. nikki haley, who is very prominent, and dean phillips, who is the most prominent democrat who has expressed any openness to running as a third-party candidate. no other democrat in the nation has said that. nikki haley and phillips, how do they do? 9% of the vote. they come and forth behind trump, biden, and kennedy. that will be their high watermark. they will get not so much prominence. nikki haley has said she is not interested. when you go down from there you about low single digits and coming and forth behind biden and a trump. host: to the polls show th 9% will be pulled away from president biden versus the former president? guest: it does show that most of

the vote comes away from biden. in t>0his poll, because we testd nikki haley, it was not as dramatic a difference as you might see in other places. we are just speculating on who the ticket could be. biden is hurt more. host: matt bennett joining us, the founder and vice president of the group third way. let's hear from patrick in new hampshire. republican line. caller: good morning, matt. guest: good morning. caller: i was listening to talking about wars and saying how the wars around the world in ukraine, gaza, potential wars between china and taiwan, that is nobody's fault in the united states. it is not joe biden's fault. it is not the democratic party ult. you do not think it has anything to do with our weakness around the world and how we are being

perceid i live in a small town w hampshire. i have been walking around the pa and consistently, i walked three times, one time was to go to the gas station and i was scared looking over my shoulder in new hampshire to see if someone would be walking up behind me to comt a crime it is scary for regular americans. we want to be safe. joe biden to do great on the world stage. i would love there to be no wars. i want everything to be safe and have a good life as republicans. close the southern border. keep us safe in the united states. thank you. let me applaud you for that very patriotic view.

too many republicans areooting against president biden because they have a partisan interest in him failing. a republican saying i'm rootin s the kind of attitude that american should have. i will say that i do not agree that america has shown weakness and that has anything to do with russia's barbaric invasion and war against the people of ukraine or hamas's barbaric terror attack on israel or its very strong response to that with the war in none of that would have been different if there was a different president. these were a thomas actors doing things they thou benefited them at the time. i think they were horrible events but they are just thing the president cannot control. president biden could tell netanyahu tomorrow we are

cutting you off, thatisrael is d they are well-equipped. netanyahu has his own reasons for fighting it. the minute this war ends and yahoo! is removed as prime minister and might go to jail. it is not because america is supporting this war. #yputin is executing the war for internal reasons that have nothing to do with united states. the final point i will make is the real weakness between biden and trump has come from trump. trump has repeatedly called into question our commitment to nato. adimir putin to attack nato allies who are not paying their way. that is weakness. what biden has shown is strength. host: to what level are you concerned the president support of ukraine and israel and

efforts of that would detract democratic voters from voting for him? guest: very worried. we have to take seriously what happened with e uncos in placesn and minnesota. people are expressing real anger and that is completely understandable. having differences with the president is a natural reaction to what is a horrible situation and a humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. i hope they view the protests they leveled against the president as an importan statement, but by the time they get to november they will have to consider whether they are going to vote for a guy with whom they have a real disagreement or fruit guy -- or for a guy who stands for things that are opposite of what they believe. donald trump believes we should have a muslim they on. he has talked about a -- he has talked about expelling muslims from the united states.

he is running an overtly racist campaign. choosing what someone with whom you disagree and someohema to ye people face in november. let's hear from freddie -- host: let's hear from freddie in georgia.independent line. caller: i am calling as an independent and i think the democrats and republicans need to be more concerned about the independent vote. we make up 47% of the electorate and -- my point is republicans and democrs continue to control the government and they control the war in gaza that is a genocide on the palestinian people. that. they also continue the war in ukraine, which the u.s. is responsible for initiating, denier eating -- denying russia

the opportunity to express its security concerns. the democrats lie to your face, stab you in the back. as an independent, i do not think either party is bringing anything to the table tt if anything they are leading us down the road to destruction. middle east.na, war with russia, totally useless. guest: let me say i agree with your firstomh with your other ones. on the first point, it is true that democrats and republicans need to pay a lot of attention to indepdent voters and a swing voters. these are not necessarily the same. there are a lot of people who have -- who vote for o other. there are a number who will choose based on who is running and how they are feeling and

those swing voters are the kingmakers of american politics. we are a 50/50 country. the people u important. every time you swing someone voting one party to the other that is the equivalent of two votes. they are not vot guy, they are voting for the other. independents are vitally important. anything to do with ukraine, the hamas attack on israel, or the war in gaza. many people look at the state of the union as a reset moment. did he achieve that? guest: it is overstated how much of a reset it is, to the extent it was a reset he achieved it. i thought he was magnificent at the state of the union. this performance was great and the speech itself was great. starting with ukraine and the dobbs decision and women's health was brilliant.

the republicans once again, as they did last year, kind of walked into his trap. ridiculously. they were yelling at him. he handled it with the same aplomb and it did work for him. host: to what extent you see president biden's reelection campaign being more about the vision he has for the country and the program he wants without versus how he contrasts with the former president? guest: we live in a moment where there is a lot of discontent with both parties. the difficult thing is for the most part you want to run as a change candidate. when you are an incumbent it cannot do that. you are about more of the same. what you see incumbents doing, and you've seen this in every race in recent■k history, certainly including barack obama in 2012, you have to make sure people understand what you've done for them so far and how you want to carry that fward, then

you have to prosecute the case against your opponent because you cannot make it a referendum on you. there is just too much discontent. you have to make a choice. i think the biden team is doing an effective version of that. host: montana. democrats line. caller: good morning from montana. my biggest concern is the lack of communication. a lot of our newspapers have gone by the wayside in montana. our governor is a billionaire. annable's asian -- the cannibali my biggest concern is how can we come back when the whole system in montana has been bought out

by the wealthy? i am very concerned. our attitude in montana because we are rural and farm and ranch as we are in second gear wh resn overdrive and we are just sitting back and we are late to the party. guest: i cerin agree there is a huge problem in the decline of local media. that is an enormous risk to our democracy. local media is vital and keeps local politicians honest and keep people informedto-date on e fundamental things that are happening at every level of government and it is important. i worry about that. in terms of what has happened withto that. there is a lot of money that has come into montana lately. your senator who is up f farmern

my view come and i am certainly not a montana farmer, be very mh concerns in rural america, certainly concerns in rural montana and i would hope you take a look. as a centrist, how do you view money in politics? guest: it has gone to be obscene. the reason is clear. the supreme court ruled in citizens united that anything goes in politics. there are some rul but they are very easy to evade and money has flowed in. now you have these enormous super pacs with very wealthy people. there was talk that elon musk or other billionaires will put $1 billion into super pacs to help trump and they can write a check and do that and that is a horrible way to run a democracy. the only way to changd i do nots

likely. host: let's hear from paul in line. caller: i would like to make a statement. the fact is that israel on october 7 was which is a terrorist organization. they have different names for them but they are still . what was their goal when they attacked israel? it was to kill people. it was not to take over. was to kill human beings. they did achieve that. retaliated and still is retaliating in the cost of the palestinian people has been terrible. he has been criticized for not giving a cease fire. he cannot give a cease fire because what will happen is they

will rearm again. i ran as their arm suppliers sut they will do is rearm and keep attacking. i hate to say, he has to go through and keep attacking hamas until he is victoire he us. -- until he is victorious. one other point i want to make. i listen to a lot of programs, so i'm not particula criticizing you. not one journalist or talkshow host has ever mentioned iran in a negative way.

they never talk about the leader in a negative manner. host: let me package that. foreign affairs in this contest this year and what president biden has to do to achieve some type of victory? guest: i think paul does a good job of describing the israeli point of view. thats a very significant number of americans hold that point of view. the real dilemma for biden, both substantively and how he is managing our foreign policy and politically, the question you raised early about how this will affect him as he does not have the leverage to stop this war. he could call netanyahu tomorrow and say stop the war, it would not stop the war. he has to do his best to achieve americans aims in that situation , which is a cease firossible, e

humanitarian relief which is vitally necessary. people are dying of starvation and easily treatable diseases. it is a horrible humanitarian catastrophe it needs to be addressed immediately. the president is doing what he can. we are building a floating peer-to-peer things in but he cannot force the israelis to change -- he is building a floating pier to bring things in but he cannot force the israelis to change. caller: i am an independent my whole life. voted for ross perot twice. is there any possibility in the world in the near future that a third party could ever make a real go at it? i know there is talk of john kasich and the fellow from colorado making an attempt but that fizzled out. is there any realistic possibility? guest: question.

i think the answer is yes but not the way no labels is going about it. if we are to see third parties having impact, you will see that happening at the congressional level or may be in the states. if there were three or four true independents in the united states senate -- we have a few who are not affiliated with a party -- if there were three or four people who did not caucus with either side, who did not care about beichairs, who stucky could have enormous impact. you can get elected as an independent to the senate or the house. i think the answer is sure, but not at the presidential level. this country is not designed, at least as it is currently constituted, to elect a third party president. i do not think it will happen in our lifetimes. if you are serious about a third host: as far as third way is

concerned, what do you perceive as your role in the election cycle? we have taken on the third fight because no labels is threatening to run against biden from the center and that is our area. we thought it was important for us to step into that. we will continue the fight against these third parties because we want to mler candida. there is no chance they will become president. if you throw your voteare makinp trump. that is clear from all of the data.■b host: matthew is in new york. democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am not a conspiracy theorist. trump is taking over the rnc. already took over the congress and senate.

what will happen if he tells them not to certify the votes? for the president when biden wins? what will happen? i am worried about that. guest: that is enormously important. the good news for this year is trump will not have the power to affect the outcome of what happens on january 6, 2025,cong. under your hypothetical joe biden wins the election, the electoral votes are transmitted to congress on january 6, th dae congress that gathers to count those votes will be the new congress, the peopleve won in 2024, they are sworn in on january 3 and they will gather january 6 to county votes. what we know for certain is that phot will be presided over by

kamala harris, the vice president. the likelihood is that democrats will probably regain the house, which means the speaker will be hakeem jeffries and they will have some control over the process. if biden has won the election my expectation is trump will be unable to get in the way of that. he will be fulminating and yelling and screaming and filing lawsuits and may be doing things more dangerous and violent, but my sense is he will not be able to stop the count. my hope is if democrats do not take the house and republicans are in charge they will do the right thing and they will count the votes the way the constitution requires but i do not think that is certain. host: someone asked about your history, if you are the same matt bennett guest: it is. as a young guy i helped that

event to happen. it became deeply infamous and it will define me for my whole life. never puhelmet or a hat on your candidate. really ask questions. we all knew this was a risky photo op. we pushed back but not hard enough. host: matt bennett with third way. his organization can be thirdway.org. thank you for your time. in about 30 minutes will be joined by chuck devore will talk about the southern border amid legal battles with the biden administration. first up is open forum. (202) 748-8000. (202) 748-8001 for republiindep.

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perception is is there is not a lot of differencu think we shouh entitlements and nondiscretionary spending and what president biden is proposing. it is almost the third rail of politics. we have a $33 trillion or $34 trillion debt up and very little we can do in terms of cutting spending. discretionary will not help. of you changed your outlook on how to handleit seems like someo be done or will be stuck foreve. >> first of all there is a lot you can do in terms of entitlements come in terms of cutting, and in terms of the theft and the bad management of entitlements. tremendous bed management of entitlements. there are a number of things you can do.

i did not necessarily agree with the statehost: that was from cnc yesterday. because of that president biden on the campaign trail in new hampshire responding to those comments. >> many of my republican friends want to put social security and medicare back on the chopping block again. if anyone tries to cut social security or medicare or raise the retirement age again, i will stop them. working people built this country. they pay more on their security -- on their social security the millionaires and billionais j dowe have two ways to go with social security and medicare. republicans will cut social security and medicare to give us more tax cuts to the wealthy. donald trump said tax to social security and medicare are on the table again. when i asked if he would change his -- 20 he asked if he was changed his position he said there's a judgment this amount

of things you can cut. i tremendous men of things you can do, not cot. -- a tremendous amount of things you can do, not cut. i will not allow that to happen. i will protect and strengthen social security and medicare and make the wealthy pay their fair share. host:;kú f in philadelphia. democrats line. caller: i am ashamed of myself. i voted for dold trump. i drank the kool-aid. i was brainwashed. i amepammed and that is what you have to do to his voters. they have to be deprogrammed. it is very sad. he'll try to touch our social security checks that i worked for all my life and i am very scared of him.

i am deprogrammed. i did getj(■] deprogrammed. these people have to get deprogrammed and i will tell you why. it is just like kenneth copeland or swaggart, they have all of these people following them and giving them money. he is in the same category as they are. they are all after money. that is what it is all about. they are living in mansions, private jets, beautiful suits. this is what is going on in these country. thereafter the money. they are using the lord to make money. host: let's hear from lee in michigan. republican line. caller: thank you for taking my ca.i appreciate it very much. i still wonder what happened to the 80,000 plus children missing under bidens administration. right now in michigan we have a measles outbreak.

is that because of foreigners cong into our country that are not vaccinated because they do not have them in other countries? and also, thank god for donald trump. he was the one who brought us back to make america great agaia lot of people do not likee word maga and they ridicule it. when you ridicule the phrase make america great again that means you drink the kool-aid too much. these people are jim jones people. the democratic party are the one drinking the kool-aid. they do not see what biden is doing. he can barely keep a speech going. every speech he has besides the state of the union, which is pre-much a hateful speech degrading people like me who are republicans, i did not appreciate that.

he can bring unity to our parties. that is one thing we need most of all is unity. when donald trump took his first day in office, his inauguration day, the streets were burning, people were protesting, not my president. he had pussy at society with words i would not let a kid hold up. these are the people that are in power. host: democrats line. philadelphia. caller: thanks for taking my call. host: this is open forum -- caller: this is open forum, right? about. one is wise donald trump so in love with vladimir putin. if you look at the trump the the

pagean wanted vladimir putin to come to the pageant and you look at the film, and he went into the hotel and his guard asked him if he wanted to have a lady and he said i do not ■and the guard says no i don't. every room in that hotel had a camera in it. if you look at more of the film you see this lady walking down the hall with an attache case? what is in the case? prudent has pictures ofruving sn that hotel. that is number one. number two is ince to why is everybody thinking about the ivf?it seems like the repubs want to save the unborn babies but kill the ones that are

already alive. host: stanley in jamaica, new york. independent line. hello? we go to lori in republican line. caller: good morning. i want to support earlier collars this morning. my fellow patriots. i commend you all for being on the good side and not on the people. we are in a war of good and evil. the mainstream media is and has been a major threat to our country. if you'er looked into the massive trends available to the public you will be deceived and be further bind to is happening worldwide, much of which is behind the scenes. follow truth social, follow

president trump, you will learn much. he is our president of law and order. he loves america. he made peace with other countries. prosperity. there's never been anyone close to that. biden is people. he has led us into socialism, communist ways of life, he is a corrupt individual. do not see how people will look at the world and think everything is fine and the economy has improved when it has not. all i can say is wake up. we are in thmidsat awakening. host: two reports. one economic and one political. axios 4.4% while a measure increased by the same amount while inflation has plunged from its peak. the latest data shows price increases remain difficult to stamp out.

february figures so mont incream the prior months as gasoline prices spike. axios also reporting that georgia primary voters head to the polls to help solidify what appears to be inevitable. a 2024 biden-trump rematch. trump could clinch the gop nomination with a win here and three other states. hawaii, mississippi, and washington holding presidential primaries today. john in massachusetts. caller: i've been through many swings of the political pendulum from left to right and i always get mad as a democrat when the republicans win. this year is different. this year scares the heck out of me. i do honestly -- even though i am a bernie sanders guy and not a big fan of joe biden, this is a basic contest.

éi wish that people who were kid of conservative and going to trump would wake up and look at what that man is doing and saying and wants to do. host: that was john in mississippi, 202-748-8000 for de republicans are 202-748-8001, independents are 202-748-8002 we will take a moment to talk about one of the events on capitol hill jew digs fair -- jew digs fair committee here to walk us through it max bowl news. the key points are b

ability to be in office and then the transcript biden released this morning and two major claims of biden's mental state he couldn't remember when his son died and when he was vice president. it has not been released and shows a more murky picture and on the bo biden, biden got it wrong and they jumped in so it ot quite what republicans may have hoped but he recalled his stories, rambled on for long period of times, didn't seem like a person suffering from extreme senility. host: what do we expect from house democrats in relationship to what they will ask mr. her

he >> they will say this differs significantly of donald trump and that is a key point he made. he said biden satown for the interview and it was the day after the october 7 terrorist attacks in israel and hentioned just got off the phone with netanyahu. democrats will say that made great sit down with the counsel and herr said he refused to meet with investigators, tried to c the documents he had at mirror lag and -- mar-a-lago and they will say biden wanted to be transparent. host: if he is not a testimony of the justice department does that change the department? >> we were informed he left last week to be a private citizen and he is not constrained in his

testimony so that he will be more free we willing than if he was currently employed by the d.o.j. he is being advised by william burke who said this might mean he takes pretty big shots at joe biden and his mental in the int saw herr come across as a professional prosecutor in many instances. he thanks biden for his willingness to sit for the interview and it didn't come across in the hit job that some democrats were playing.far as t chairs we have the written statement or report but there's other video and otherwise that republicans are tryi you elabor? >> sure. chairman jim jordan of the jew dictionary committee saying we want all files in raolgs to the interview with joe biden. the transcript has beenepublica

addition is audio or video taken that have not been released as of n. confirmed that exists to my knowledge so that set up a larger fight but right now it is a big argument that the republicans had that is d.o.j. and white house are having a cover-up. that will be taken out of the equation and it -- host: on the larger issue of classified material do you expect a lot of discussion how when mr. biden was vice president handled documents versus how donald trump handled the documents. >> undoubtedly. the comparison will be key. 2024 is an election year and democrats will say or most of them will contact back to trump and republicans will say how come biden wasn't charged when

it looks like trump will be charged. so there will be talk of double standard and battle for the white house. one thing that is cleart herr concluded there's not enough evidence to charge joe biden with any crimes. host: advise viewers to to watch for today? >> watch out for version of robert herr appears, will he be the professional security because he was an independent voice or more partisan version of robert herr which goes after biden and produces sound bites that the trump campaign could use to say not fit for office. >> dictionary as alwaysáw9! thanks for your t. you can watch that hearing featuring him at 10:00 and see that on c-span 3 our app at

c-span now and c-span.org. jon in michigan independent line. caller: first off, whenever fib says that -- anybody says aody for trump that is a false equivalency. it is up put up a ticket that w all get behind. i'm an india, i'm a bernie sanders -- ind bernie sanders supporter. shout out to my friend from massachusetts. they have to put up aget behind down the ballot on the democrat but just to have a little bit of check in the white house. host: ronda republican line in pennsylvania. caller: i'm calling

open forum, right? host: it is. caller: with the classified documents, trump could pardon that, he was president and biden was a vice president and he can't -- not pardon but declassify the documents. the man reason i'm calling is the state of the union biden is school raise and they are always giving the schools more money, the colleges more money,!x our schools are failing. they just got covid money and the d.o.j. has been targeting school board meetings. i'm a grandmother, i take care of my grandchildren and they come home upset. i feel like i'm scared too scho something or i might get arrested. i baby-sit for my son and daughter-in-law. they are working at mcdonald's

and they have three jobs trying to make ends meet and it is h■gd every day to, like, send the kids to school nothing they are getting upbecause they are talking did lgbtq every day and they get more, her cheating. i feel like they are treating hard working americans like he says he wants to raise taxes from the billionaires. host: tina up next in north carolina democrats line.caller: so sick and tired of people;" disrespecting our president of the united states of america.is.

we talk about his age all the time. their age is way up there.rt? >> and they are not thinking logical. when you put everything on president biden about the children, what about the ones trump was snatching out of people's hands and they have not found them as of today. so i don't know what the problem is, i don't know if y'all drinking clorox, but think about it especially if you are a military person. thank you for your service. you need to have somebody who respects everyone, not just some people, every tina in north car. in spokane, washington, chris, independent line. caller:re we putting on

the outside of the ballot republican or democrat and for one, i'm 36 years old, i'm neither democrat or republican. most of the younger aged people are independents. therefore, we can't even vote. we have no say in this election putting on the outside of the ballot democrat or republican is just sabotaging the whole election. host: politico reporting yesterday former president trump's new team at the republican national committee began pushing out officials according to two people close in the r.n.c. all told the expectati■ is more than 60 staffers who work across the political communications and data departments will be let go those being asked it resign are five members of senior staff.

some vendor contracts are expected to be cut. in a letter to some staff some current cost the new officer said it was in the process of evaluating the organization and northerning the building is aligned with the vision. they were beingsk reapply. more there. in tennessee, len, republican line. caller: i keep hearinghe democrats slurring trump with the rapest, convicted rapist. i want to know when he served his time. i never heard of him going to prison. host: willie in maryland, democrats line. next up. caller: thanks for taking my call. i'm an older person from the older person that are on social they have the highest raise that

they ever had and another thing is the price to get medication. that is something that is going to help you. so, why are you going againstem? thanks for taking my call. host: marge in massachusetts, hello. caller: good morning, pedro. thank you. i'm grateful for c-span. it is a legitimate media source. i'm following through on topic greatest threat in america, and my key issue is policies from the current administration. i find it fascinating that a majority of the call in are anti-trump. he is not the president now and not doing any of these policies so when it means an open southern border.

you let millions of people unvetted, no clock for disease, no chua their■i educational levs is or reasons for being here. they are not all here for asylum. 90% that claim asylum get sent back. another call robert indicated if we could just go back to being the united states of america. 30% of the company is deep in the history of the country they will be way back when patriotic people and rally around the flag. it won't happen that because when you let's in 140 different companies and they don't have a -- countries they don't have a you are dumbing down the people, which then goes to our devaluation of the dollar, the fact that we are tremendously in

debt. so it goes to what i sta the policies of this administration are leading the country down. host: one more call mike democrats lane from maryland. caller: thanks for taking my call. i want to make a comment. callers call in all the time complaining about the price of gas and i want to remind them of a show 15 years ago you had where an old gentleman called in to talk about the price of gas nd how it is a false comment t really matters is how many miles you drive for one hour of work and if you look at that $10 an hour with the average car getting 30 miles to the gallon you drive 100 hour's worth of work when 40 or

50 years ago and when this gentleman drove 10 cents and he was making 25 cents an hour. the whole gas price thing is a false flag. we have been subsidizing the gas companies forever. that is why we have inexpensive gas compared to the rest of the world and it is nice if people would realize how far they drive for one hour's worth of work. host: th was mike in maryland finishing off the open forum and those who participated thank you. our final guest will be chuck devore from an organization none as the texas public policy foundation. he will discuss the lone star border with mexico and legal battles with the biden administration. that is coming up on "washington journal". >> for members of government in

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get informed straight from the source on c-span,efied unbiased, word for word from the nation's capitol to wherever you are. this is what democracy looks like. c-span powered by cable. host: what is your organization and what approach does it take with integration related matters? guest: policy foundation is america's largest right of center state based policy think tank. we have about 100 employees mostly in texas but people all over the country including in

washington, d.c. we do a lot of research, write a lot of papers. we testify before the texas legislature, occasionally before the congress in washington, d.c. and insofar as immigration we are concerned about border security. we think it is a national se threat and health of texasness. the border is not under control. host: how is it funded? guest: we are funded through private contributions. our bylaws prohibit any government funding which is unusual. take government funds but we have literally thousands and thousands of people mostly in texas who fund our operations. host: when it comes to texas and its approach to immigration, a lot of viewers would probably know operation lone star.

could you describe what it is implementation? its guest: operation lone star is an initiative of the governor of texas and the texas legislatur especially lieutenant governor dan patrick and legislative leaders. for the cost of about year it resources on the bother, department of public safety the texas state troopers as well as the texa national guard. i know a bit about the national guard. i served in the national guard in california for some 2ye and retired as the deputy j1. the other thing they are doing is erecting some additional barrier along the border language private property where the property owners are generally favorable to installing additional barriers to entry trying to encourage

people to go over the heal ports of entry rather than in between theorts oentry. so the effort was ramped up a number of years ago border began to -- as control on the border began to crumble. what you see is a lot of cooperation with border patrol and immigrations and customs enforcement. it is essentially augmenting border security in texas. lastly, i would say it has been working because what you are seeing now is especially as governor abbott has ramped up foseeing the traffic controlled by the mexican drug and human cartels like california especially where the governor has a very different attitude toward n. would it be operation len star was a direct response to criticisms of

president biden's handling ofma? guest: not necessarily to the crisps but to the reality on the ground. you may recall a couple of years ago i was at this borderossing were some 20,000 haitian nationals under a bridge for shelter from the hot sun. individual came across with the expectation if they got illegaly little chance they would ever be deported. host: the supreme court rolled back portions of it if ithey do? guest: are you talking about texas's efforts to control the border? host: yes. guest: there's a number of legal fronts where texas has been contending with the federal government. one in particular you are -- p to the ability of border control to cut barrier wire laid by the

national guard as part of operation lone star on the border. what the supreme court ruled was that the border patrol could the wire. they didn't rule that texas couldn't put down more wire. interestingly enough, since that ruling has been made about a month, of any reports where border patrol has removed the wire even though they are allowed to do it. there's another the buoy system in the rio grande river. the biden administration didn't assert their right to supremacy with regard to immigration and the border. what instead they did is made a claim under environmental law and under the rivers act that this was and i will heal impediment to commercial traffic, which of course is ridiculous because there hasn't

been any commercial traffic going back 1078100 years on that stretch of river. you can texas has had to pull the buoys back in. but that is still in liti then senate bill 4, this was the bill that authorizes texas law enforcement if they have reasonable surobable cause to believe someone has come across the border illegally, to arrest that individual and bring them to a port of entry whereupon they have the choice, you can go back to where you came from or being illegally. that is still being litigated. we expect it to end up going up it the supreme court and we believe that it is substantially different than arizona vus which was decided in 2012 and we believe texas has a pretty good chance to prevail. host: it was in the lower courts that you spoke about the judge

said if aowed sp4 could open the door of each state passing its own version of many segregation and it with force the a pat work of inconsistent regulations threatening the notion that the united states must regulate immigration with one voice. what did you think of that opinion? guest: i think the opinion was wrongly decided and i think we will see it quickly reversed at the fifth circuit court of appeals. the reason being is that texas is not enforcing immigration law. they are just going back to long standing powers that the states had prior to the 2012 ruling in arizona v u.s. they are not enforcing immigration. when you see somebody crossing the border between ports oftry what texas is doing is 10

empowering its law enforcement to secure that individual, to bring them to an official port of entry and give the individual a choice. income walk back across the border from which at the came or be arrested and tried in the texas criminal system for a crime. so, in■ neither case did you hae texas enforcing immigration law at all. because if the individual walks back across the border that is not that is the individual deciding they would rather not be arrested. host: if you want to ask questions you can do so on the democrats is 202-748-8000, republicans are 202-748-8001 and independents are 202-748-8002. if you are a texas resident and want to give perspective on what is going on not only in your state but washito immigration and border security call 202-748-8003.

our conversation is devore. i don't know if you had a chance to listen but during the state of the union last week issues of immigration and border security meup. i want to play a little bit of what the president has to say and get your response. >> shved of playing politics join me in telling the congress to pass it. her but that is apparently what they will not do. i will not demonize immigrants saying there are poisoning the blood of our country. i will not separate families. i will not ban people because of their faith unlike my predecessor my first day i introduced a bill to fix immigration. secure the border, provide a

pathway to citizen for so much . unlike my predecessor, i know who we are as americans. we are the only nation with a heart and soul that draws from old and new. host: that is president bid■aen from the state of the union drawing crasses with former -- contrasts. guest: i was quite disappointed with it. the lack of security on the borders is the number one issue among american people and that makes sense. we have had some 200 people on the terror watch list come across. there was evidence presented yesterday before aen some of th criminal drug and human trafficking cartels are working with elements of isis to get border. that is pretty significant news given that less than 30 people

killed almost 3,000 americans on 9/11. he spent about five minutes on the number one issue in the country, that was about 40 machines lasted about an hour and six minutes. he didn't really address any of. in fact some of the things he said were down right doing some prevarication.ht say claiming trump had a ban on people coming in based on their religion. that is false. what trump did is he had higher barriers of entry for individuals coming in from nations known to be terror hot spots. had nothing to do with religion. if that was the case why was new york on the list? here is the issue. the issue is that joe biden on

the very first day of his presidency reversed donald trump's executive orders regarding securing the border. what y terms of illegal immigration was the very day of the election out of the anticipation that biden would follow through on his promises to open up the began it see this very large ramp up of illegal immigration that has continued unabated sinc then. no law has been changed, all the change was the administration's executive orders and the will enforce our border. this problem is entirely the making of president joe bidenou texan, amin in temple, texas, democrat lane. you are on with chu caller: thank you. sir, i'm a little confused.

when trump became president he was supposed to build there big old wall it keep everybody out and hasn't been completed yet. but a month ago inaudible. we are not happy with what you are doing and sense because we have been having people come here ever since america separated from mexico. so, this is what i say. host: that is amin from texas. guest: amin referenced the wall. of huge amount of legal activity aimed at preventing president trump from erecting that wall. it slowed downe"to be sure. as a retired u.s. army officer,

when you erectt of barrier at all it does assist the additional labor that you have in maintaining security. that is why the rich and famous have walls around their houses and for example during the president's state of the union they erected around the capitol because walls do work and augment the capacity of the border control and immigration and kufrls enforcement and texas department of safety troopers and national guard. it enhances their ability to secure the border. so i would arc we need to complete the barrier system. you ironicallyven president biden reluctantly beginning to complete some of the incompleted sectors of the trump border wall. if the wall is so bad why is the biden administration continuing work on the same wall. host: there is dave■g

from texas. caller: i were agree with the prefer caller. i have seen in texas we are suffering from this invasion from people from all over the world and many of them are very sick individuals, mentally speaking, and some criminally involved. we are just supposed to say this when trump was president we hardly had anybody crossing the bourded a now we have an invasion. we trump was pre paying less than $2 a gallon of goon and now we are paying were more. we experiencing the pain. seems like our gas is cheaper than everybody else's. everything is worse under this■

biden administration. the other day a friend called and told me new hampshire to be conservative but is getting corrupt. they are trying to prevent people from having prayer meetings in their home. host: mr. devore if you want to focus on the immigration matters. guest: some of the concerns i believe dave expressed are correct. look at the surge of chinese nationals of mil coming across the border. this was also mentioned i believe yesterday in the testimony of the various intelligence chiefs to the u.s. senate. i think th are coming back today to the house of representatives. 14 months there were not much in the way of chinese immigrants coming across and they were

generally older family units. then as if a light switch turned on in early 2023, you see a signic of the number of chinese illegal immigrants crossing the border and you see their average age narrowed down to being that ofm primarily males. maybe they are coming across because the unemploenn in the p republican of china is said to be pretty bad for young adults. for ybe some of those negative reasons, for reasons that could be hostile to u.s. national security on't really know and we don't really know because president joe biden and his administration have lost operational border. and in the past we border patrol or immigrations and customs

opportunity to interview people coming two the country, today those interviews rarely happen because our individuals within the department f are too busy baby-sitting these large numbers of people coming across our border and moving them quickly into the states. this is a national security disaster in the making and i'm very fearful we will pay the penalty as a nation potentially before the end of joe biden's administration. host: a caller used the word invasion. what goes through your mind when you hear it characterized that way? guest: invasion can mean a few different things. some people who w narrowly -- b invasion clause is a portion of the constitution that gives states the power to defend themselves in the event the federal government is slow to react, something that was a big

when communications were much slower. but when you look at the term invasion and you say are the mexican drug and human trafficking cartels a hostile force? yes. are at the well armed? yes. have they corrupted the government of mexico? yes. in some cases are they acting in the place of the government of mocks? s. on border. yes. are they moving people across our border who might mean us ill intent? we believe they are. i mentioned the tens of thousands of chinese nationals. what about the report yesterday of the cartels cooperating with elements of isis. i -- so, at least you have a violent criminal actors comes across and probably state actors and terror groups coming across

the boer.r so, if that is not an invasion in the sense of the word that the constitution means it, 10 i don't know what is. host: this is from jonathan in iowa, independent line. caller: good morning, pedro. host: you are on the air. caller: i just will a question. i was wondering, i was going through the f.b.i. statistics and realized that a lot of the fentanyl coming from those trucks areudible]. isn't that crazy. one more thing. i believe that if we really want to have an up segregation system that works i think we need to open the border [inaudible] because are able to process more people and have a more organized view of the world.

host: mr. devore, is there a place to improve the current system it alleviate what is going on on the legal side. guest: i think the number one thing is president biden to readopt the executive orders put in place by president trump. the fact that he lifted the executive orders and the border immediately spal out of control indicates that it would be readily within his ability to regain control of the border if he■ had to do so. allowing this surge at the border, this border crisis, was president biden simpl his promi he made during his presidential campaign in 2020 when he said that he was going to open up the border and by golly he opened up the border. host: there's a viewer who texted us i want you to respond to the first part because he asked you to explain what you

mean when you say controlling the border. guest: controlling the border -- that is a great questn of entr stretch from the west coast all the way down to the gulf coast. and when you want country and ye across the land border you are supposed to do it at a legal port of entry. as you do, you are generally interviewed by an immigrations and customs enforcement individual, they determine what is your business in america, do you have the perion to come in. if you are claiming asylum, what is the nature and they make a determination to let you in our not. if you come in between the ports of entry that is the responsibility of the board patrol and to the degree you come across and under up absorbing? border patrol resources so significantly because of family units coming across, unaccompanied children,

the mexican drug car tells are a very sophisticated criminal business organization and they will surge border especially unaccompanied minors many who are recycled, young children used by the els as a way to absorb resources of the border patrol. when they surge those individuals across the border, what is often happening 10 or 20 miles away drug mules are coming across with large quantities of drugs or individuals who don't want to be seen by the border patrol or immigrations and customs enforcement. these are the i would have we call got aways. they are the numbersf now in the millions that we only can guess at their intent for coming into the country. of course, many of the got aways we find out later are individuals with extensive criminal records with connections to terrorist groups.

we do not have operational control of the border. the mexican drug and human trafficking car technicals have operational control of our southern border. host: another text from a viewer renee igegia saying my grandparents came through ellis center like that on the southern border and why doesn't texas?-t guest: the big distinction between ellis island then and the issue today are a few different things. first of all, it is much easier for the world's masses to come to america. for example, if you take the world population what is it, around 8 billion people and you say what is 1% of eight billion. it is about 80 million. so if 1% of the world wanted to master here you would find america quickly overwhelmed with

individuals. back in the ellis island era it took a lot of time. you had a transatlantic voyage and will to pay a certain amount of money and you would be examined for communicable tuber sthepbld you back. my recently deceased father-in-law, his parents came through sicily and so i'm very much well aware of the history of ellis island. the challenge now is america already has an historically high level of individuals not born here and unlike with ellis■9 island some 110 years ago, most of those individuals are here illegally. as a result, we don't know were about them. many of the individuals that come across the border today are given a notice to report that is very different than a notice to appear. a notice to appear says you have to show up before an immigration

judge at a certain time and place in the future. a notice to report simply means. wherever you decide to go as an illegale let us know where you landed whether chicago, new york, rochester. and as we are seeing, a small fraction of taste illegal immigrants ever bother to check in with immigration authorities. and let us know where they ended up in the host: let's here from beth in new york democrats line for chuck devore. caller: good morning. it want to again press your guest about border security and what that really means. when our former president was in office, he didn't shut the border down. covid shut the border down. people weren't moving because nobody was moving across the

border. it doesn't hold up to skraout if i. the places you s can walk across have never been secure. it was the circumstances that have changed. thank you. host: mr. devore. guest: i would disagree with that statement. if you look at the year to year illegal immigration numbers under the trump administration you would see year one and two they were low. there was apike with it 2019 that started to come down before covid as the trump administration worked to figure out how to address it. that is how at the came up with the remain in mexico policy and decided to do more rapid d.f.a. testing to ensure that young chil w cartels to build fake fay units were tested and frankly many times that the young children were not related

it the young men that were bringing them across. in fact, it is inimical that a single male would be with a young child. that's not the way things operate in the world to our rapid d.n.a. tests showed that was the case where the children were being used as tools to construct afa unit. so, as the trump administration adjued you saw the border come under control as well as the lawsuits were cleared off and the pace of the co barrier began to pick up. and, yes, as covid hit those numbers went even lower. butto■ét to understand that as 2020 moved on and career began it move toward the election, you saw that immigration remained low through

election day. then, in anticipation of a sea change in attitude about illegal immigration, you started to see the numbers pop up even before any policies changed in the last two trump administration. as biden took over and reversed all the orders the floodgates opened. bee lays the myth that somehow -- belies that the border under trump is the same asnot lie as as i think this present administration with wish to obfuscate the numbers. >> this is from republican line, tommy. caller: i'm a first time caller. i would like to ask mr. devore if he's familiar with the immunization of the immigrants coming across the border. guest: that is a good question.

it is a serious public health risk. generally speaking, the illegal immigrants are not immunized for common diseases including highly communicable diseased like measles and polio. the interesting thing is that under this separation thoseot checked out for their health. they are given a bit of participate work and they are allowed to fly on public commercial transportation with that paperwork for instance a notice to and not even a photo i.d. we the citizen and naturalized citizens or legal residents of america we have to show government issued federal i.d.■/ like a driver's license passport. that's not the case with these individuals. so you may have individuals who have active cases of it. tuberc

public airlines going to chicago or new york or wherever they want to go and the interesting thing back to the caller that mentioned ellis island during the ellis island system those individuals would have been denied entry and sent back to their face of origin. host: house republicans were largely criticized by deposition for tug back tkpwpbgs the senate partisan immigration bill warmth did youity of that move? guest: i agreed with that. so did the texas public policy foundation. we were not impressed with the bill after researching it extension simple and one of my colleagues isod last chief of the border patrol under president trump and he was fired by president biden for daring it tell the truth about the border. so if you you look at the borde5 bill that failed i think the number one thing people have to focus on is the fact that this

border crisis is entirely the making of president joey biden and his policies. on day one he reversed all of president trump's executive order. you do not need statutory changes to gain control of the border. what you need is a change in policy. you need the will to existing law to secure our southern border. and to take care of what i believe it is a very dire national securitthkonly a matte time before americans are injured and killed by the fact that president joe biden has lost control of our southern border and created a grave national security threat to this nation. host: is there a specific about the senate bill that you had perform issues with or your organization will issues with? guest: i will give one example. there was funding supposedly authorization for 1500 additional border patrol agents.

because of the border patrol i guess it is the cbd1 app, this app that immigrants, would-be immigrants put on their phone entry into the u.s. just the people processing those million applicants a year, that is 500 border patrol agents just to process those individuals that are coming into our country as a result of bidenpolicy. so when you look at the additional individuals that are supposedly going to be hired you have to understand what is it they are going to be doing.ng t border security or increasing the pace of processing of into nation, increasing the pace rather than discouraging illegal immigration. the other issue was the bill. you had this trigger that

supposedly resulted in increased enforcement after a super number of people crossed into the nation. that threshold is higher than the typical weekly crossings we often see today. so it did not at all solve the border crisis. it merely made legal the present state of chaos if our view. to emphasize this. no law has changed between, from of 2021 to when trump was president until january 20 of 2001 president. our immigration law was the same before and now. the only thing that changed is the biden administration's will to enforce■ security on our southern border. that is what has changed and

that is what has caused this ■vcr host: larry is in florida, under line. stkpwrao chuck, what is the strategy of this administration. i want to make a few points. special forces say one out of a thousand are terrorists so why risk these insane situations for an tank an inequity of treatment of americans. americans are stopped and ■w connected at airports and people coming across the border without that. what can you be done against n.g.o.'s conversations about fences and include illegals and everyone is against supporting illegals with criminal activity? guest: that is one of the post differ questions to answer because i'm not in the biden administration and i'm not privy to the counsel they have had.

we can go off their statements. there's a line of reasoning within the document party of today that somehow the enforcement of our borders, that somehow any sort of immigration enforcement is it unfairly singles out certain groups of people and here is the irony. the same individuals that claim america terrible place, some place with this inherent racism that is somehow among the wor in the world but at the same time the same individuals with say but we need more people to come in to this apparently this terrible place. so, i think a lot of it has to do with an attitude. it is like a misplaced compassion that believes everyone should have an opportunity to come here whether or not they can have anything to contribute t america, whether or not they are a threat or they have an active kiss of

tuberculosis. and the challenge with that is if you look at these mexican human smuggling and drug cartels they terribly abuse individuals that come across. every individual has toa/ay the cartels between $6,000 and $20,000 depending on the nature of where they are coming from. the cartels by the way have a very sophisticated system and they have control of the border. you pay the money, they put a special on every wrist and they know the status of that individual whether they paid and if they have n they have a system then of indent toured -- indent toured serve attitude that the fund who made about that person are impounded by the cartels to make good on the didn't and if they

don't pay they put at risk the family and friends of th individual who is now working in america back home. they threaten them with kidnapping/@ or torture. and all the women are sexually assaulted by the terrible human. so i would argue that this compassion is terribly misplaced and pal informed about the --f= mal-north dakota. we know my old home state of california has lost population for three years in a row because californians are picking up and moving mostly to texas, a lot of more conservative cpb moving ou new york, they are mostly moving to florida. and if it were not for immigration, legal and illegal these very blue states like

campbell and illinois and new york would be losing support people and every 10 years we have the census. and illegal immigrants count the same as were else whi funnel of representatives -- the number of representatives that you have in the u.s. house. so some people have mentioned, whether it i intentional or simply the practical consequence of these policies, that some of these states may under up having one additional members of congress more than they otherwise would have because of the flood of illegal immigration that occurred under president joe biden and his administration. host: freddie in indianapolis democrats lane. the house is about to come in so as soon as you can, go ahead. caller: give phaef a little bit of time, please. here is the situation here. when it comes to those seeking

asylum, the united states laws says if you put one foot on to this land you generally request asylum. that is what is going on at that border. people are coming in requesting asylum. now, the president of the united states cannot change the alum laws -- asylum ha only one that congress. and the story you are telling shouldn't be. what you need to be telling the people are to get to your congressman and have them change the asylum law. host: apologies, house about to come in but mr. devore go ahead. >> this is why the trump administration created the remain in mexico poli. the way asylum is supposed to work if you are fleeing religious persecution and the

country in which you leaf pe political beliefs, there's a terrible war in the country, you are supposed to stop and seek t that you come to for which you have safe harbor. in the case of the falsely asyl america, virtually all of them set foot in either mexico or some other country that was safe prior to coming to the u.s. so they are abusing the law, they are claiming asylum we suc they had a legitimate asylum claim there should have stayed in mexico, or if they do come into the u.s. it has been found something like 97% of those who claimd it fraudulently because they are simply coming to the

u.s. to work. they are economic refugees. they do not meet the definition of asylum. host: you can find the organization's website at texas policy.com. he's the serve national administrative officer. in just a fe■4 minutes from now the special counsel who was investigating vice president biden at that time use classified documts set it testify before the house judiciary committee. you can follow with that starting at 10:00 on c-span 3 a. it is almost 10:00. the house of reference coming in for its session. we will take you to them now. passion pass the chair lays before the hou communicaon from the speaker.

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