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host: we are joined now by jason sneed with the honest elections project. tell us about the mission and how you are finding? guest: we are non partisan election. our guiding principle is to inspire confidence of the voting process how we are funded, a number of donors who share

commitment and concern about the make sure they all have a system they are confident in. host: you put out a report with reformsone of them is to ban rit choice voting. guest: right choice voting is a new idea they place all over the country. it makes voting take longer and leads to results that are confusing and our number one principal is to aspire confidence andt discourages people from participating in the system. it takes a system where we are familiar with where it theoscang

multiple candidates until you manufacture majority. the average american■q 17 balance. it is a complicated system that does nothing to improve confidence or make voting simpler. host: do you have to rankle the candidates or can you say this is my first choice, second choice? guest: you could do that if you want to but then you run into valid exhaustion. if you only ranked two candidates and their both --

with the trend of elimination fewer and fewer people actually cast a in eric adam selection 140,000 votes were exhausted. so many votes can be thrown out that you don't wind up with - te majority. host: another proposal is to lock private election funding. ask lane private funding and elections? es we saw that with mark zuckerberg toll the offices in e grants were supposed to be for

ppe but what we now knows little that money was spent for that purpose and a lot of us look likeop operations from government offices. we want to ban these grants from special election the going to offices■÷ is you the way they operate. election should be run in a way that are accountable to the people runx dollars. host: why do they need that money in the first place? should they not be well funded? guest: there's a political debate about whether we need election funding. making sure elections are well funded. i think if you need funding you should go to the state legislature and make your case.

i don't think turning to private grants when they are coming from partisan groups is the thing to do because it does nothing but muddy the waters and costs the public confidence in if you would like to: in ask questions to our guest jason sneed on lines for democrats800s (202) 748-8001 for independents (202) 748-8002 you and on facebook facebook.com/cspan and on x at cspanwj. you want to require postelection audits. d who would do it? guest: these are not console confirming artists of process

audit is. the id that every office who rents election should be routinely audited. make sure the rus followed in the law adhered to. secretaries of station to do this. in looking each election jurisdiction and making sure the rules and laws are followed. this is not to cast aspersions onnybody but to make sure our election offices are working as well as they can make sure we have transferparency. we will look at the way offices are run that is great way to answer buyer confidence. host: you want to issue prompt■ election results. i'm sure everyone was to know results quickly but what about rushing it and gettinghose

on election night? guest: the longer you drive they to doubt the results. we want to close at up for getting results promptly and accurately on eleci stress accue don't want to rush in the something and call it too early. we want to make sure we are setting up a series of procedures including deadlines for when people can request mail and balance to get them counted quickly and gets results as close to election night is possleit is a popular position. host:■j c-span we think it is the super bowl.

republican said to push against mail-in ballots. where are you on that early voting and mail in? guest: the question with male in is how do you secure those ballasts? they're vulnerable to fraud and errors. that's why you have voter identification laws. vote trafficking that helps collecting ballots. it is about securing those ballots and making sure we have elections that have a reasonably defined timeframe. some folks say if you offered

anything ls voter suppression. i say two weeks is more than enough time to cast a ballot early and is about securing those i want to show you a person of the senate rules committee hearing last week with the michigan secretary of state talking about the axis of early voting in nurse they. [video clip] >> in michigan and 2018 and 2022 implemented automatic voter audd protection in the chance for overseas ■

our primary bus■> monthas the first statewide election where we held early voting and we found it to be a game changer in citizens ballot a full week befe election day can increase voter engagement and turnout and address the fact that when you look at who was not voting. a t of the reason why is because of inconvenience because they can't get to the polls at a certain time day. expanding those days get some more opportunities to participate in democracy partners to engage citizens to become educated voters. host: do you agree with that? guest: lot. let's start with the idea of expanding the length of voting.

a particular point you will see diminishing returns. pushing it out to a month or six weeks very few peop take advantage of that. at one election administrator said costing money and opposes a manpower burden found 80% of americans two weeks of early voting is sufficient and that includes a majority of republicans and democrats. dropl boxes if you look at what happened in bridgeport connecticut where there was a conducted where they were illegally

harvesting phones. they were secured a monitored and that did nothing from people engaging in fraud. they need to be inside a government building accessible only during. at bottom i think if you want to encourage people to partipate the best way to do that is providing safeguards so people can understand the rules will be followed it is transparent and i can have confidence bytes will not. host: miles is calling from san angelo, texas. caller: it is always a pleasure when you are hosting. thank you for coming on.

after this last election, unfair and so a lot of state legislatures and cities started doi all of the elections are fraud because he said so. especially with all that happened the fraud the actual people trying to do the fraud is about i'm not saying your job is not necessary adeptly an intelligent guy. trump said that. guest: ias look historically at what states have gone after elections they come back with laws that

identix them. if you look at what florida did after 2000 after it was theverye hanging chads and how many changes they made over a 20 ye's in significant changes to laws in most stes around and see what worked in other places and identify problems of their own states. that is what we saw go on in the last three years. states identifying significant issues problems and it has produced a system more secure today and makes it easier to lvote in many places today that three or four years ago. the proof is in the pudding. when had early voting

and nobody said they had any difficulty voting underhe nthiss done a site great service at going into 2024 we are looking at an election system better than before. host: kathy is maine a republican. kathy, are you there? mike and ottawa, kansas. caller: i'm callingn ting. the only recent to be against right choice voting is to keep third■z party candidates out. guest: i think with ranked

voting is a process that makes the ones difficult for the average voter. and ask you to learn about more candidates including nonviable candidates. there is a lot that shows that makes voting more difficult but longer. and m.i.t. study you add an extra minute to vote for each of those races. if it takes you 15 minutes to l there for 30 minutes leading to ripple effects. people will not vote and down ballot races. you're talking about candidates. there are a lot of reasons why it is the wrong choice for

icans and it is fundamentally a shame system that makes a whole lot of promises that they end up not keeping. ■bthere was a study out of the university of minnesota. it fails on all fronts. host: tom want access i love rightg choice voting it is easy and fun. let's go to steve in hello? host: hi steve, go ahead. caller: i like ask your guests about the organization he is and honest elections project and what they did in 2020 and

how they are funded. it looks like they are funded by the koch brothers a betsy devos. they made a big effort to restrict voting■n republican justices on the supreme court. it is honest elections project honest? guest: might be biased but i would say amanda's. we are fighting to improve election with comments and safeguards. some people say this amounts to restricting the bvote. when you look at polling and data idea 8u

should show picture id. the only recent you slop elabele you want to make it appear like it is a fringe position. we want to make sure they have a voice that can be heard and advoca and have people continue to engage. host: does your organization get involved with supreme court justices? guest: no, we have nothing to do with that. host: we have steve in love it on production. caller: á in the 2020 election

states were allowed to change election laws without going through the legislature which o that were not actually registered voter and they were allowed. how could the 2020 election be considered legitimate. ? guest: there were 200 lawsuits filed to try to get rid of vote harvesting restrictions, push b. there were 200 lawsuits and in many cases judges intervened and rewrote those laws partisan lak elias on behalf of the democratic■ r into a

consent agreement which is a behind-the-scenes agreement to rewrite state law. we saw that all over the place in 2020. there is an attempt to radically change voting loss. that was a significant problem and we have a limp point in our report that lawmakers are elected to make law and they are at the vehicle for changing election law. we need protections in place against those lawsuits because it's important to know what the rules are for elections going into voting and they should be consistent and followed and not change her partisan advantage. host: an innoct ashburn -- in ashburn. caller: i have been a long poll

worker and for you to sit there and say there is something wrong with the vote as it is now and has been this nonsense. you are trying to prevent better way of doing elections. you are speaking for the republican party and if these candidates would quit saying there is voter fraud. ■1■zthere is said they have been caught but the fraud was committed by republicans. methinks you protest too much. i'm reminded of the line think they're cheating because i know we're cheating. do you have any comments? guest: fraud is t only the

beginning. these changes have much more doh improving the election in making this system work better. it's about identifying best own point you acknowledge there is fraud. the idea we should do nothing to address that when things can be done to prevent future fraud. thus the wrong view to take. polling in this popular that you should be taking preventative steps to identify problems in the system. you don't wait until your house is robbed before locking the front door. host: are you still on the line? caller: yes ma'am.

host: as a poll worker there have beenller: i've seen a lotf people with guns on their side which i consider a threat. this man is oblivious to what goes on in public places. in and sit behind the tabulator's. theytem because the republican party and donald trump is system. if these people would quit saying don't trust the system when they lose, we would not have this problem. host: what do think of the messaging -- that the elections are not secure, that there is widespread fraud? guest:understand that when we ae

talking about securing the elections and bringing greater transparency, we are trying to put the kebabs on that kind of concern. we also have to recognize this is not a problem that exists solely on the right. not the left was talking about hacked voting machines. if you look at what has happened in the 21st century, thereasa sl election that a republican candidate has won that prominent voices on the left have not called into question the legitimacy of. ■if you go ba to 2000, the line george bush was selected by the supreme court. in 2004 alleti hacked. 2016, russian collusion. a few look at 2018 in georgia, stacey abrams refused to concede her own election and was given a second chance at the governorship even though she was an election denier. what we want to do is get to a

point where the system is so secure and so transparent that it is beyond reproach. that is somethingif you want toe confidence on both sides, the sort of reforms we have are the way to go. host: one more ca fromgeorgetow. independent. caller: thanks for having me on. i will tell you one greatdence s we used to do this thing very accurately. it is done all around theen we r countries elections. it is exit polling. it is a way of gathering tatistically verifying the outcome of the vote. i don't know if you know the history of what wee done with exit polling, but we have a couple companies that do they do the exit polling and

that data is secret and it is sealed up. no one knows the data. then the government releases the data and then the exit poll companies massage t data to reflect what the state say the data is. what used to happen is we used to get exit poll data in real-time by the trusted networks like nbc, cbs. real-time exit poll data. here we are out at the polls interviewing people. we need a check and balance. guest: i take your point tha ist we used to do this better, we used to have quicker results, it used to be a better run system and then over the last decade it seems to have gone astray.

that is a fairly common position when i talk to folks all over the country. ■;i think a lot of that is the result of the policy choices we have made, letting ballots come in after election day will delay the results. as you push more and more people to vote by mail there will be problems where voters make mistakes or ballots get lost in the mail. they're all of theseit is a cho. when you identify the 14 points we have in this report, securing those voter identification laws, cutting out foreign influence from our elections, these are the ways to get back to a system where we are no longer looking to guest her year for the way things used to be better, we are looking to the future where elections are it is easy to vote, and where it is hard to cheat. people have confidence of these safeguards. host: what do you think is the biggest threat to the 2024

election? guest: there are a couple of concerns. one is ou see another round of litigation -- one is are we going to see another round of litigation to change voting rules? the most basic wayo ensure the system remains fair is to make sure we are following the law. i also think we will see a fair amount of foreign influence. attention has been fate what we have from china and russia, state actors. less att politics. there is a swiss billionaire who has single-handedly given half $1 billion tpppolitical causes y , including organizations that spend on ballot measures. ballot measures are being brought to changeotite state co. that is the dna of our democratic system. it is being directly or indirectly financebyeign money. there are a lot of concerns i have for the system.

one thing i will say is over last three years we have seen reforms that have made things better. in many respects we are looking at a more secure system then we had four years ago and that jason snead, executive director of >> the house is debating six energy policy bills ts week. including a mease preventing the president from endine frackd one that would block the bureau of lanmanagement from increasing the bonds required for drilling compani o reclamation projects. also lawmakers a wting for the legislative text on an agreement to fund more than haft federal government. following the release house guidelines require the deal be public for 72 hours before voting. housg.p. may or may not stick to that. all of this adds up to the possibility that voting could extend into the weeken a partial government shutdown happening at midght on friday.

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