on the free c-span now video app or online at c-span.org. a■y■y>> the house will be in or. >> this year, c-span celebrates 45 years of governing congress like no other. since that 1979 we have been your primary source for capitol hill, providing of government, g you to where policies are debated and decided, with the support of american cable company. c-span. 45 years and counting. powered by cable. joineno by jason sneed with the honest elections project. tell us about the mission and

how you are finding? guest: we are non partisan election. our guiding principle is to inspire confidence of the voting process how we are funded, a number of donors who share commitment and concern aboutf ed make sure they all have a system they are confident in. host: you put out a report with reforms recommending. one of them is to ban right oi guest: right choice voting is a new idea they place all over the

it makes voting take longer and leads to results that are ur number one principal is to aspire confidence and it discourages people from participating in the system. it takes a system where we are familiar with where it the candidate -- you are breaking multiple candidates until you manufacture majority. the average american has 17 balance. it is a complicated system that does nothing to improve confidence or make voting simpler. host: do you have to rankle the

candidates or can you say this is my first choice, second choice? guest: you could do that if you want to but then you run into valid exhaustion. if you only ranked two candidates and their both -- with the trend of elimination in eric adam selection 140,000 votes were exhausted. so many votes can be thrown out that you don't wind upate meanie majority. host: to

lock private election funding. ask lane private funding and elections? ■u we saw that with mark zuckerberg disburse funds across all the offices in these grants were supposed to be for ppe but what we now kw is that little that money was spent for that purpose and a lot of us look l gop operations from government offices. we want to ban these grants from special election the going to offices is you the way they operate. election should be run in a way that are accountable to the people run by tax dollars.

host: why do they need that money not be well funded? guest: there's a political debate about whether walmost foe elections are well funded. i think if you need funding you should go to the state legislature and make your case. i don't think turning to private grants when they are coming from right thing to do because it does nothing but muddy the waters and costs the public confidence in election. host: if you would like to: in ask questions to our guest jason ocrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans

(202) 748-8001 for independents (202) 748-8002t on online (202) 748-8003 and on facebook facebook.com/cspan and on. you want to require postelection audits. what would be audited and who would do it? guest: these are not console confirming artists of process audit is. s that every office who rents election should be routinely audited. make sure the rules were followed in the law adhered to. secretaries of station to do this. in looking■ at each election jurisdiction and making sure the rules and laws are followed. this is not to cast aspersions anybody but to make sure our

election offices are working as well as they can make sure we "xve transparency. we will look ae offices are run that is great way to answer buyer confidence. host: you want to issuee prot election results. i'm sure everyone was to know results quickly but what about rushing it and getting on elect? guest: the longer you drive the process out the more opportunity to doubt the results. we want to close at up for getting results promptly andon . i stress accuracy because we don't want to rush in the something and call itwe want toe

setting up a series of procedures including deadlines for when people can requ■kest ml and balance to get them counted quickly and gets results as close to election night is possible. it is a popular position. host: here is c-span we think it is the super bowl. push against mail-in ballots. specifically? early voting and mail in? guest:hen with male in is how do you secure those ballasts? they're vulnerable to fraud and errors. that's why you have voter identification laws.

vote trafficking that helps voters behind-the-scenes a collecting ballots. it is about securing those ballots and making sure we hons that have a reasonably defined timeframe. some folks say if you anything less than six weeks that's voter suppression. i say two weeks is more than enough time to cast a ballot early and is about securing thos ballots. host: i want to show you a person of the senate rules committee hearing last week with the michigan secretary of state talking about the axis of early voting in nurse they. [video clip] >> michigan and 2018 and 2022

implemented automatic registration, enhanced audit and protection in the chance for overseas citizens to vote. nine days of early voting and every statewide election. month was the first statewide election where we held early voting and we found it to be a game changer in being able to cast their ballot a full week before election day can increase voter engagement and turnout and address the fact that when you look at who was not voting. a lot of the reason why is because of inconvenience because

they can't get to the polls at a certainí or day. expanding those days get some more opportunities to participate in■5 democracy partners to engage citizens to become educated voters. host: do you agree with that? guest: i disagree with quite a lot. let's start with the idea of expanding the length of voting. beyond a particular point you will see diminishing returns. pushing it out to a month or six weekshat. at election administrator said costing money and opposes a manpower burden we have done polling and found 80% of americans two weeks of

early voting is sufficient and that includes a majority of republicans and democrats. boxes if you look at what happened in bridgeport connecticut where there was a fraud ring conducted where they were illegally harvesting phones. they were secured a monitored engaging in fraud.ng from people they need to be inside a government building accessible only during working hours to determine thought behavior. at bottom i think if youan to ds

providing safeguards so people can understand the rules will be followed it is transparent and i can vote will be counted in illegal votes will not. host: miles is calling from san angelo, texas. caller: it is always a pleasure when you are hosting. thank you for coming on. after this last election, president said it was unfair and so a lot of state legislatures the elections are fraud because he said so. especially with all ed because t the fraud the actual people

100 people.o the i'm not saying your job is not necessary adeptly an intelligent guy. his is because trump said that. guest: i was safe to go back and look historically at what states have gone after elections they come back with identify problems and fix them. if you look at what florida did afterut of every political joke with the hanging chads and how many changes they made over a 20 year period. you're looking it does in most states will around and see what worked in other places

and identifyrothat is what we se last three years. states identifying significant u+vissues problems and it has produced a system more secure today andes it easier to vote in many places today that three or four years ago. the proof is in the pudding. you look at the georgia election they had early voting and nobody said they had any difficulty under the new and improved system. this burst of enthusiasm has done a site great service:" at going into 2024 we are looking at an election system better than before. host: next in maine a republican.

kathy, areoumike and ottawa, ka. caller: i'm calling in favor of rank-choice voting. the only recent to be against right choice voting is to keep third party candidates out. i think with ranked voting is a process that makes the ones difficult for the average voter. and ask you to learn about more candidates including nonviable candidates. lot of data that shows that makes voting more difficult but longer. and m.i.t. study you add an extra minute to vote for each of those races.

if it takes you 15 minutes to vote you will have to sit there for 30 minutes leading to ripple effects. people will not v and down ballot races. you're talking about rankings 60, 70 candidates. there are a lot of reasons why it is the wrong americans and is fundamentally a shame system that makes a whole lot of promises that they d there was e university of minnesota. tom want access i love

choice voting it is easy and fun. let's go to steve in democrat. caller: hello? host: hi steve, go ahead. caller: i likeo ask your guests about the organization he is and honest elections projectd how they are funded. it looks like they are funded by the koch brothers a betsy devos. they made a big effort to restrict voting and responsible for pushing certain republican justices on the supreme court. s the honest elections project honest? guest: it might be biased but i

would say amanda's. we are fighting to improve election with comments and safeguards. some people say this amounts to restricting the vote. when you look at polling and data about voter idea 80-90% says yes you should show picture id. the only recent you slop those labels on those ideas is because you want to make it appear like it is a fringe position. we want to make sure they have a voice that can be heard

advocate for commonsense reforms and have people continue to engage. host: does your organization get involved with supreme court justices? guest: no, we have nothing to do withha we have steve in love it on production. caller: in the 2020 election states were allowed to change through the legislature which allowed people to vote that were not actually registered voter and they were allowed. hocould the 2020 election be considered legitimate. ? there were 200 lawsuits

filed to try to get rid of vote harvesting push mail and ballast. there were 200 lawsuits and in many cases judges intervened and rewrote those worse, partisan lawyer like mark elias on behalf of the democratic party to enter into a consent agreement which is a behind-the-scenes agreement to we saw that all over the place in 2020. there is an attempt to radically changeoting loss. that was a significant problem and we have a point in our report that lawmakers are elected to make law and they are at the vehicle for changing

election law. we need protections in place against those lawsuits because it's important to know what the rules are for elections going into■d voting and they should be consistent and followed and not change her partisan advantage. host:■p an innocent ashburn -- n ashburn caller: i have been a long poll worker and for you to sit there and say theres now and has been this nonsense. you are trying to better way of doing elections. you are speaking for the republic party and if these candidates would quit saying there is voter fraud.

there is said they have been caught but the fraud was committed by republicans. ethinks you protest too much. i'm reminded othe line i think they're cheating because i know we're cheating. do you have any comments? guest only the beginning. these improving the election in making this system work better. 's about identifying best practices into your own point you acknowledge there is fraud. the idea we shouldan be done to prevent future fraud. thus the wrong view to take.

when you look at polling in this popular that you should be taking preventative steps to identify problems in the system. you don't wait until your house is robbed before locking the■h door. host: y yes ma'am. host: as a poll worker there have been threats against their safety have you see that? caller: i've seen a lot of people with guns on their side which i consider a tthis man ist goes on in public places. we have had people come in and sit behind the tabulator's.

they don't trust the system because the republican party and donald trump is system. ifq/ these people would quit saying don't trust the system when they lose, we would not have this problem. messaging -- that the elections are not secure, that there is widespread fraud? guest: understand that when we are talking about securing the elections and bringing greater put the kebabs on that kind of concern. we also have to recognize this is not a problem that exists solely on the right. that long ago the left was talking about hacked voting machines. if you look at what has happened in the 21st has not been a single presidential election that a republican candidate has won that prominent voices on the left have not called into question t giif you go back to 2000, the le

george bush was selected by the supreme court. in 2004 allegations that voting machines were hacked. 2016, russian collusion. a few look at 2018 in, stacey abrams refused to concede her own election and was given a second chance at the governorship even though she was an election deer. what we want to do is get to a point where the system is so secure and so transparent that it is beyond reproach. where i think if you want to inspire confidence on both sides, the sort of reforms we have are the way to go. host: more call from dan in georgetown, massachusetts. independent. caller: thanks for having me on. i will tell you one grea» thing on how to restore confidence is we used to do this thing very accurately. itthe world

when we want to monitor other countries elections. it is exit polling. it is a way of gathering information and statistically verifying the outcome of the vote. i don' done with exit polling, but we have a co■&uple cpa it. they do the exit polling and that data is secret and it is sealed knows the data. then the government releases the data and then the exit poll ■scompanies massage their data o reflect what the state y is. what used to happen is we used to get exit poll data in real-time by the trusted

abc, nbc, cbs. real-time exit poll data. here ware out at the polls interviewing people. we need a check and balance. guest: i take your point that there is this general sense that we used to do this better, we used to have quicker results, it used to be a better run system d decade it seems to have gone astray. that is a fairly common position when i talk to folks all over the■9 ci think a lot of that ise result of the policy choices we have made, letting ballots come in after election days. as you push more and more people to vote by mail there will be problems where voters make mistakes or ballots get lost in the mail. ese issues. it is a choice we make. when you identify the 14 points we have in this rthose voter

identification laws, cutting out foreign influence from our elections, these a the way get back to a system where we are no longer looking to guest her year for the way things used to be better, we are looking to well-run, where it is easy to vote, and where it is hard to cheat. people have confidence of these safeguards. host: what do you think is the biggest threat to the 2024 election? guest: there are a couple of concerns. one is our ego to see another round of litigation -- one is are we going to see another round of litigation to change voting rules? the most basic wayt$ to ensure e system remains fair is to make sure we are following the law. i also think we will see a fair amount of foreign influence. a lot of attention has been fate what we have from china and russia, state actors. less attention has been made

which is coming into influence politics. there is a swiss billionaire who has single-handedly billion to l political causes in this country , including organizations that spend on ballot measures. ballot meare laws and rewrite state constitutions. that is the dna of our democratic system. it is being directly or indirectly financed by foreign money. there are a lot of concerns i have for the system. one thing i will say is over last three years we have seen stat passed comprehensive reforms that have made things better. in many respects we are looking at a more secure system then we had four years■ gives me confidence. host: jason snead, executive director of >> washington journal. our live form involving you to

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