shop now or any time at c-spanshop.org. >> h be in order. >> this year c-span celebrates of covering congress like no other. since 1979, we've been your primary source for capitol hill. providing balanced, unfiltered coverage of government. taking to you where the policiel with the support of america's cable companies., 45ears and co. powered by cab. " continues. host: ' we are joined now by democratic representative emanuel cleaver. he represents missouri's fifth district. e financial services membe subcommittee on housing and insurance. congressman, welcome to the pr guest: good to be with you thank you. host: wt to start with the

international criminal court requestingrran for leaders of hamas and is really prime minister netanyahu. to tt? guest: there is a levf equilencs into our political lexicon, much too often then i would prefer. by that i mean is come israel obviously is trying to hamas. however, the casualties of civilians has been much too high for me. and millions of others. but to suggest that what israel doing is equivalent to what hamas has and continues to do, isevel of false equivalency

that is intolerable. they probably are doing some dama to the relationship between israel and the rest of the world when there come out and say, there is no difference betwee■ hamas. that is an insult to people of decency all over the world. that is not to say that israel has not s would rather they had not done, but it is not equivalent to hamas. host: there are reports that house republicans are considering putting a bill on the flo. the speaker had said something about that as early as this week. what is your reaction to that? guest: i'm not sure iwy at theyo put on the floor. quite often they put god she sl words, they are not looking for a solution in terms of the legislation. it is to try to separateple on this issue and get some

people in trouble back home. if they are not able to vote in a way that is compatible with their home district. they are not going anywhere. i have seen that over my 19 years it comes to the point, because the let know. when you introduce a piece of legislation, the chances of a passing, legislation like this, is almost minus zero. the peopo noknow that, so amber's take advantage of their own constituenc by putting up fake legislation. i hope this will not be, because ue a we ought to address it. the united states ought to stand behind the administration and our ally, israel. they have gone too far and we are not going to back away from israel. host: the question is, what should be done?

in the hill is reporting that senator lindsey graham says in this article, he is quoted in a as vowing sanctions against against tdo you agree w? guest: no. it is one step too far into the worldit is not really call for another. inteio court,,,, must all people in the western world. i do not think we can continue by attnghost:e taking your calls.

cre of missouri is here. you can give us a call. for independ callers, you can call (202) 748-8002. we also have a line you can text at (202) 748-8003. i wanted to ask you about this reporting by reuters that says israel that to broaden the sweep among heavy in gaza. what are your views on a cease-fire and conditional military aid for israel? guest: i think we need a cease-fire.

there is only one hostagehas ent know how many are still alive. in situations like that, that is your ber cousin, son. i'm trying to sees through the eyes of progeny. i think we have to be very careful going into because it will give hamas another opportunity to try to paint israel as -- there will be casualties. ere will be women and children. it will not help our international image.

what about military aid to israel? it is down to the point where they are in jeopardy. now we see in europe. when we holdback vital military equipment, we can now see what happens. the russians have made all kinds of, a nation that they claim to be part of russia, which it is not, but we have to be careful. i do not think there is any way or anything that would justify the threat. i am a little bit concerned. we have some bombs that would wipe out everything within 400 yardhost: you are a member of te

congressional congress and a former chait. talking about the administon accomplishments for black americans. what dcs the biden administration's accomplishment? >>est: they have upped the amount of theyave put into colleges and universities. i know that it is going to create a higher number. i think it is a good deal. i think they have done things, but there are also concerns about the economy.

infrastructure things, like that. it is impactful for african-americans. der rts of townre going to reside in big numbers. when you talk about infrastructure, the oldestinfrat there. that will impact the whole community. make no mistake. host: there is growing apprehension among democrats present biden's loss of support among black voters. his support is g especially among black men. why do you think that is?>> i to at least say that because of the

elite comnents of our culture, black men havelly projected an image of strength, power and resistance. so i think donald trump comes out with that and there is concrete. he is strong. if you are not -- i think african-american men will come around and realize that what mr. trump is trying to present- it

is a dangerous part because we start phing and do not tolerate anytanc i am going to be act. -- react. host: i wanted to ask you about the op-ed that you did for the hill, which has this headline. congress must commit to bipartisanship. is that still possible? guest: it is possible. it is intte it would like to see us conduct ourselves in a manner. if you are in some kind of

spute, let them handle it. i do nothinke project that kind of an image. i would hope thamb to the conclusion that if they want to talk about congressional matters, there need to be congressional members. host: joanne is on the line. good morning. caller: i am calling in to say that it is really sad -- we are caught up in this world today and it becomes so religious about worshiping a man. that is not what god wants us to do. we worship no man. they are just like everybody else.to say that the members ofe use are coming down here to new york to support aan

is guilty and that th ag their . i hope in 2024 that the democrats get the house back. thank you. host: what were your views on them going to the courthouse? guest: i thought it was a bad look. the person second in line for the presidency should not be stepping in fron ajustice with e fairest judicial system on the planet. are tearing all of our institutions down. i really do not think that

johnson looked at what he was doing. i do not want to come across as someone who believes this is ttn institutions. it is a good shot. host: st. paul, minnesoent. caller: good morning. i wanted to go over some of the numbers. there has been ongoing conflict since october 7. least 1100 people were killed. no civilians should be harin pae have been killed. at least 50,000 children. in the west bank, there have

been 505 people killed, at least 225 drmy question is, what about october 8, october 9 and every day until now. what about all of tho debts? lis of those in gaza? oth is that your logic? guest: i hope you did not interpret that to be my logic. it was john dunn, the british preacher who said -- any death is troublesome. in war, it is even more so. that would say that it was ok for either side to kill the

other side at all. what happened with hamas attacking israel, goingn and killing people, there i no way that we could ever embrace that. i k very careful. and watch for what revenge would cost us. i was angry as well. by sometimes, when we allow .nger to be our leader, we do we have to be careful as we go that we support israel, hoping that they will not mirror what did, spending so much money

for terrible loss of life on both sides. caller: good morning, congressman. i heard you say a few minutes ago that liberal congress is helping black colleges and it was trump that expanded it for years. he cannot believe t.they had to get approval. i just -- what he did the prison reform, all i saw from the democrats in college is shift saying that we had the goods on trump and always impeached, impeach. never gave him credit for reform, for black

colleges. he had a lf infrastructure for areas of the underprivil , black, brown, it did not matter what color. there is a lot of tension. host: what do you think? guest: first of all, i will not accept thata black issue. it needsbe if we get into the issue, or show. it is irrefutable. he did sign it. ■sh from some republicans and thel not

at the urging of the president. scott from richmond, virginia actually crafted that legislation. donald trump signed the legislation. the largest amount of money in history. host: we have a que you from a handle. they are drawing an equivalent. please specify and comment on the charge. the equivalent talking point is just that. it does n object -- address the substance. sh a they are being charged directly

for using starvation of civilians as a method of and intentionally directing attalian population. guest: eve time a babys, every time a noncombatant dme a, it bothers me. i have said it repeatedly. men and women of decency look at the situation for what it. too many people have been killed in gaza. you cannot palestinians with hamas. mixing the two together is just wrong, and we should not do it. host: he feels the israeli

leaders their responsibility for how they have executed the war in gaza? guest: i am one of those people -- i have to say. i do not likenetanyahu. i do not like him. i think some prosecute this more. i hope they make the decision host: in pensacola, florida, good mnier: good morning, washin go morning reen. i have a quandary that i have not been able to figure out. know that the jews have been a statehood since 1948 or 1925.

but this thing about them taking over the west bank, bringing er to live over there on the palestinian land - i say to myself it is terrible what happened october 7, just terrib but why did theyattack t? maybe -- my mind has to know, was it because they were taking over their land? why was there an attack in the first place? can you help me? >> is be some expansion. -- guest: it is to there has been

expansion into their land. and i do not that the resp would lead to cold-blood killing of young people or the raping of women, the injuring of many civilians. many of them probably supported the palestinianse in getting economic strength in the nation. just saying that i do not think that what hamas did -- i do not think what israel is doing in iraq with the current death toll

as it his doing the right thing either. host: so in alabama. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. representative khanna you have made several contradictory statements this morning. i would justike to clarify. you, with a statement that you are raised in the public housing. if he walked around, he had to walk it not just talk it. just 90's that you are a man of peace. you cannot be both. we need -- you need to educate yourself about the land of israel. the land ofwas given by god you are a christian, you

should know this. if -- the land was given to the jewish people by god almy. just one quick statement. i know you are going to be around the bush when you answer. you have a corrupt and close to- i will take your answer. host: congressman? gu first of all, we do not require religiousestsn the peormed by thenational captioni, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable ite rp. 2024] >> we are going to break away at this point for live coverage of the u.s. house. you can continue watch