oming up on c-span's "washington journal," we take your calls and comments on social media. then chair of the house freedom caucus will discuss the israel-hamas conflt,resident trump and immigration and the atlantic cnc senior director talksbo the kenyan president's visit to the u.s. th week and the state of u.s.-africa relations. also democratic california representavemi bera on t israel-hamas war and the news of the day. "washingtojonal" starts now. host: good morning and welcome to the "washington journal" on this thursday, may 23. in the senate today, a test vote

on that bipartisan border bill. ahead of the vote, we want to get your thoughts on how you want senators to vote today. here is how you can join the conversation. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. you can also join us in a text at (202)-748-8003. include your first name, city and state, or go to facebook.com/c-span. you can also post on twitter. let's begin with the senate majority leader, chuck schumer who decided to bring back the bipartisan border bill for another vote this week. here he is on the floor tuesday, talking about this piece of legislation versus what house republicans have pushed. [video clip] >> all those who say we need to act on the border will get a chance this week to show they are serious about fixing the

problem. unlike hr2, the bipartisan border act was made exquisitely to win support from both parties with input, significant input from both sides. the border act is an exercise in legislating. hr2 is not. when republicans pushed hr2, it could not even get a single vote in the senate. that was not a serious bill. we are voting on this week is serious. it is the same bipartisan bill both sides negotiated for months last winter. it is the same bill endorsed by the national border patrol council, a very conservative group, by the chamber of commerce, and by the very conservative wall street journal editorial page. by any objective measure, it is strong and realistic and most importantly, a bipartisan proposal. if our bipartisan bill was good enough to win the support of the

union that report -- that represents order agents, why isn't it good enough for senate republicans? are they saying they know better than our agents patrolling the border? i hope that is not true. i hope our republican colleagues are ready to join us. we don't expect every democrat or every republican to come out in favor of this bill. that is why as i have said before, the only way to pass this bill or any border bill is with broad bipartisan support. if you go by what republicans said over the last few months, you would think they would leap at an opportunity like the one we have right now. in the words of speaker johnson, the time to act on the border is yesterday. in the words of my colleagues from texas, it makes no sense to me for us to do nothing when we might be able to make things better. in the words of my colleagues from south carolina, to those who think president trump wins, we can get a better deal, you won't.

he added, this moment will pass. do not let it pass. i wholeheartedly agree. we should not let this moment pass. border legislation is about the hardest thing congress ever wrestles with. bipartisan border bills are rare opportunities in congress. that is precisely why we have it in front of us this week. i urge everyone not to let the politics get in the way. host: senate majority leader chuck schumer encouraging senators to vote for that bipartisan border security bill. a test vote takes place today at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. it is a vote to advance to the legislation. we will have coverage, gavel-to-gavel on c-span2. you can also watch on our free mobile app, c-span now or online at c-span.org. from political, senate democrats set to lose support from their own side on this second border

vote. majority leader chuck schumer is planning a third -- thursday vote on a standalone version of the immigration proposal that centers murphy, sinema, james lankford negotiated earlier this year. a previous version was tied for aid for israel, ukraine and taiwan and failed to advance. 57 -- five senate democrats put it against the bill back then but now that foreign aid is no longer attached to it. democrats expect their support could dwindle even further, even as they remain confident the doomed to fail vote would help shore up there incumbents and portray republicans as obstructionist. cory booker is one of those senators who voted for it and now has said he will vote against this bipartisan border bill. speaking with reporters on tuesday, senator john barrasso, republican of wyoming, part of the leadership team talked about

the legislation coming to the floor this week. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> chuck schumer is going to bring to the floor of the senate a so-called immigration bill that he knows is doomed to fail because it failed the last time he tried the same trick. democrats are desperately trying to deflect the blame for the damage being cost to our country as a result of our wide open southern border. people across the country know that it is the democrats' fault for bringing in the drugs, death and destruction that comes from our southern border. when joe biden took that first step into the white house as president, our southern border was secure. he threw open the border along with the democrats and 10 million illegal immigrants invaded our country. people on the criminal watchlist, cartel criminals, drug dealers, people from all parts of the world came across our southern border. just a few weeks ago, a couple

of those illegal immigrants who came in were arrested trying to break in to our marine corps base that holds our combat command. one apparently was on the terrorist watch list. what did biden's homeland security director say? they wouldn't tell us anything about the identity or the intentions of those individuals. what they said is the privacy of those illegal immigrants outweighed the right of public interest. they said minimal public-interest. republicans continue to fight for the public interest, for public safety. democrats are fighting for and voting for wide open borders. they stopped construction of the border wall. they stopped telling people to leave the country, evicting people who were here as criminal illegal immigrants. they stopped allowing the border patrol to enforce the laws of

the land. chuck schumer is going to be in here trying to throw a hail mary pass to save his vulnerable democrats. the election is just a few months away. the american people will have an opportunity at that time to hold accountable, joe biden and these open border democrats. host: republican leader john barrasso talking about not voting for the bipartisan border legislation. the hill newspaper, republicans close ranks against the senate border security deal. the senate majority leader who helped negotiate the package earlier this year when it was attached to the ukraine eight and called the democrats plan to bring a back to the floor a gimmick and says it has no chance of passing the senate or the house. they note that senator james lankford of oklahoma, the lead republican negotiator of the bill back to the plan to vote on

the legislation, as a piece of political theater. it also says that three other republican senators who voted to advance the border security deal in early february, senators, lisa murkowski and mitt romney of utah said they were undecided about whether they would vote for it again. if you are from those states, this morning, how do you want your senatoro vote? ty voted yes before and are now planning a noote, what is your reaction? or if they voted no before, you want them to switch? vote yes. our first caller, in new york, independent. what are your thoughts? caller: good morning. it is never going to pass and it

is only because donald trump is behind it. i am an independent, i float back and forth. i agree the borders are a disaster. they've been a disaster forever. the real issue is how are they going to solve it? there is no compromise. republicans have a stage to again say the democrats are not doing their job. it is very easy to have a stage for this because it is evident, people are coming over the border and it's never going to stop. i don't care how many walls you put up. now without aiding the border patrol and getting more judges involved, how are going to process people coming in? we do need immigrants coming into this country because we need people to do the jobs that americans are not doing and have not done for eons. we don't have the average haskell graduate going to work

to pick avocados. it is not happening. the real deal is, how are the republicans going to get this to pass, with democrats leading the charge? that is what has to happen. democrats have to turn around and say republicans, you're right, and they have to work together, and they will never work together as long as donald trump is behind the scenes. host: is this bipartisan border bill that was negotiated in the senate, is that a solution? is that what you are talking about? caller: 100%. every bill, there is garbage attached to every bill. we know that. even after hurricane sandy relief years ago. they were repairing roofs that weren't even affected by sandy, down in like maryland.

the problem is they have to turn around and work together, get rid of the garbage and get it solved. host: gary mentioned the problem is the volume at the border. there is news on that from politico. congressional democrats confront rogan -- as biden prepares to act alone. president biden is excited to announce a new policy that would allow him to close the southern border between certain points of entry, effectively mirroring a provision in the senate bipartisan border bill that is already infuriating progressives. that is expected to come after mexico's june 2 president election. it would give biden the power to close the border if illegal crossings exceed a daily threshold. a white house official said until a final decision is made on any policy move, the timing and details could shift. that is from politico this

morning. michael in new york, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. host: how do you want senators to vote today on this test vote to advance a piece of legislation? caller: i want them to vote no. host: why? caller: all president biden -- he has the power, bring back the same policies as president obama and president trump. just do that, that is all he has to do. we don't have to vote on anything, just bring the same policies back. the stay in mexico, all of the executive orders he changed as soon as he got to the white house. why? because he doesn't like donald trump. if it was anyone else, he wouldn't have changed it. that is all he has to do. more than 5000 people a day are

allowed and? keep them in. it's crazy. host: some comments here from our viewers. this is a text from mike in north carolina. let's vote on hr2 after the democrats stupid border bill fails again. turnabout is faiplay. this is ad on facebook. why not pass hr2? the senate bill codifies what is going on now. nick in pittsburgh, independent. what do you say? caller: hello. i want to talk about all these years, i'm like everyone else, that seems to be on this station, older. i'm in my 70's. i look at what is going on in our country and i always thought it was the presidency but now i'm starting to wonder about our

congress. i'm wondering if they are actually american democrats, for the good of america. they battled back and forth and it is just redundant on some of the things like our border, our economy, the money we give away. i also think they should vote no. our senator in pennsylvania is full of it, as most of them are. they are grandstanding as schumer is. -- is who denied making fentanyl in dangerous drug and now he is on board with it. i think people need to look at their congressman, not as much

at the president. host: bill in florida, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i would have them vote no on the border bill. i agree with mike in new york. joe biden could have fixed this a long time ago. all he has to do is return the policies that trump had in. there are 27 bridges on the border that are overcrowded. if you wants that contraband seized at the border, you would see 27 bridges and there are people pouring in, they are not vetting anyone. they don't know who is a criminal and who is not. why don't we take some people from the military and go down and take out some of these drug cartels and get the problem at the source? take out the source. there won't be a demand for drugs if people don't demand them. americans are all on drugs. host: bill en route -- bill the

republican says vote no. the test vote takes place at 10:00 eastern time to advance this legislation. you can tune into our coverage at c-span2 to see how your center will vote. they did hold this vote as many of you know, back in february and at that time, several democrats voted no then. democrat senators voted no, according to political reporters, more democrats will vote against this today. chris murphy, who helped craft this legislation, speaking with reporters on tuesday had this to say about the legislation. [video clip] >> this bill would be effective. it would be effective. and it lines up with where the broad middle of america is. people in this country are proud

of our history of immigration. they want america to be a place where people can come to find a better life, to reunite with their family and flee violence or persecution or torture. they want our immigration system to be done in an orderly way and at the end of last year when 10,000 people were showing up, that was not orderly. that put a strain on our law enforcement, on our cities, and people in this country new that we need to make changes, to how we bring people into this country at the southwest border and that is what we did. our bill does not stop the ability of people to come to the united states, it just puts in place a more orderly system where you will never again have 10,000 people showing up on an individual day because it allows the president to shut down when they overwhelm our resources. never again will someone wait for 10 years to have their asylum claim processed because we put in a new system with additional resources to the

people with asylum claims will be taken care of in months, not years. this bill if passed would be effective in bringing order to the southwest border, and that is the reason that republicans killed it earlier this year. because donald trump said plain and simple, i don't want you to do anything. mitch mcconnell admitted at a press conference. senator mcconnell stood up and said the president of the united states told us to do -- the former president told us to do nothing. the question we believe that is so important, that we want to have another debate in the senate is this. do you care more about the security of our country, or do you care more about the political prospects of your party and your presidential candidate? i think this problem is so big,

i think the solution is so important, that it is worth putting that question two republicans. -- two republicans -- that question to republicans. host: that bill will come to a vote at 2:00 p.m. eastern time today. it is a parliamentary vote. they have to have a vote to advance to the legislation. essentially a test vote. watch on c-span2 this afternoon. matt in maryland, democrat caller. how do you want senators to vote today? caller: they should vote in favor of it. i would like to think that -- one thing that is really asinine that i've heard callers on the right doing is the keep on saying -- the keep on justifying not supporting this because it wasn't done earlier, which is ridiculous. it is being done or they are trying to do it. as far as bias goes, the senator was right. they are out there catering to

trump in front of the courthouse when they should be doing other things. it is obvious the bias here. they've already told us themselves they are going to stand in the way as much as they can. these are the people that don't want to achieve anything. they will not. if they think that whatever it with -- whatever it is will benefit a democrat. it is infantile. host: jordan in california, independent. how do you want senators to vote? caller: good morning. i'm kind of shocked that the last caller was a democrat. i would like the senators to vote no on the bill. i'm upset that anyone would consider building any wall, and i think that democrats are hypocrites and that they are spineless for allowing the talks to even get to this point. it is disgraceful that anyone is

opposed to immigration. diversity is our strength, not that republicans deserve office at all but democrats are going to lose so badly in november, and they deserve to. host: our next caller in missouri, democrat caller. your thoughts? caller: i think they had a chance in 2018 to pass a bill for the border and that is all i will have to say. host: peter in new york, independent. you are on the air. how do you want senators to vote today? caller: basically, this bill that came out is a joke. all it does is funnel all of the illegals and then when he hits 5000, we stop for the day. number two, if this administration was really serious, where were they the last three years? if they are so serious, why is

it that the department of justice, joe biden's department of justice under merrick garland suing texas and oklahoma for the simple reason of wanting to close their borders? does that make sense to anyone? that they want to do the job that joe biden messed up on day one? 94 executive orders to open the border in the first hundred days. everyone needs to know that. he could have closed it. host: peter, you said you don't like this legislation. we want to show our viewers what some of the provions are in it. $20 llion in border investments,ncluding hiring new border patrol, expanding the capacity of detention facilities d increasing screenings for fentanyl and other illicit drugs. it forces the department of homeland security to shutter the border if daily crossings top 5000 o85 and a single day.

increases the initial threshold might -- threshold requirements for migrants seeng asylum. it requires all asylum-seekers be detained or tracked. a combined 50ork and family visas a year for the next five years, protects -- and provides a pathway to permanent residency for afghan evacuees who fled after the country -- after the u.s. withdrawal. this legislation again, blocked in february and now coming back up this week in the senate. they will try to advance to the legislation at 2:00 p.m.. how do you want senators to vote? jim in new york, republican. caller: i say no. this place is a wreck. i call all the time. i would like to know what these towns are like the people are saying yes because this guy from oceanside, i used to live in oceanside.

oceanside is a nice town. oceanside doesn't have marquees on their schools in spanish. stop talking about, they do the jobs that we don't want to do. here is what's going on. they take these houses that is -- they cut them up inside and subdivide them and they have five families in a single-family house. how are you going to compete with that labor? they've taken over every trade around here. they are doing the roofs. i don't know where the american people went that used to do this. why is the government tripping all over itself to help these people like this, and not the americans? host: let's compare this senate bill to hr2, which is what many republicans want past and signed into law. hr sure the border act would

sume construction of the border wall, detain or deport new undocumented immigrants, reinstate family detention and end masking military and parole, mandate employers check a worker's legal status. jerry in tennessee, democrat caller. what do you say? caller: i would say go ahead and pass it. it may not be perfect. it may not be what everyone wants but it is better than what we are doing. i don't understand, i think sometimes neither side wants a border bill. it is common sense. they could pass something because it is going to help both sides. there are just not enough people to do the labor. the farmers down there cannot

afford $30 an hour to pick oranges. we will put ourselves in a fix. everything will be imported because we cannot find the workers here to do it. we finally have a chance to do something about it. it's not a democrat bill or a republican bill. it is bipartisan. to have donald trump say don't pass until it's over with, the democrats are going to help know better if he was president. if they go along and pass this thing here, maybe they can get something better if trump comes through. i'm very disappointed in nikki haley yesterday. pass it. host: jerry referencing nikki haley who gave her inaugural speech is the new chair of the

hudson institute in washington, d.c. we covered it here on c-span. she said she said she would vote for the former president but she did not endorse him. you can see her comments and remarks if you go to c-span.org. also online. also on our app. randy in louisiana, independent. how do you want senators to vote? caller: they need to vote no. this is a bunch of bs. this is a sham. the need to go back to hr2 and what trump did. biden could have put an executive order in, but he opened the border and now they are trying to pull this number? this is a sham. they've got sony people in this country. host: are you still there? caller: yeah. host: according to politico,

president biden may act alone. he may do an executive order that would allow him to close the southern border between certain points of entry, when the flow reaches a certain number. caller: he should have never opened it in the first place. you've got people coming in. just for chinese alone, you've got about 4000 -- host: you are breaking up some going to let you go. david in south carolina, republican. caller: hello. america. this is what i'm worried about in our country. i've got family in new york. you know what they worry about? terrorists. that is what they worry about seven days a week.

biden is going to let them in, they should do something about this. close the border. remain in mexico. have a nice day. host: john in wisconsin, independent. caller: good morning. when mono vacant sign the deal -- if they pass the bill, i like the republican bill where they clamped down on employers more and make them verified. if they need the workers, expand the visa program. nikki haley may not have been technically endorsing donald trump, but she said she would vote for him, so that is apples and oranges. look at rafah in e jep -- in

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before we get to your cause, joining us from congress hill is the congressman from virginia and chair of the freedom caucus. let's begin with this debate in the senate over the bipartisan porterville. why should senators vote against this bill? guest: what was first presented, it was a ukraine funding package that was intended to give amnesty to those already here. it would have done little to address the border invasion. it would have given local coverage to people perpetrating the border invasion, joe biden and democrats. it would not have required any order ball to be completed. it would have given president by

the ability -- that would have been a threshold of 5000 a day. it would have codified policies that would have made it more difficult to fix the border and what we need to do, if the president was serious, -- congress has already acted. he should be calling on the senate to pass hr two and promised to sign it into law. he said he was going to do it when he ran. host: senator lankford health with this bill and was on the floor in february. this is what he had to say. >> some of them have been clear with me that they have political says.

let the presidential election solve the problem. in fact, i had a popular commentator four weeks ago that told me flat out, before they knew any of the content of the bill -- nothing was out at that point. it told me flat out, if you try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during this year, i will do whatever i can to destroy you. because i do not want solve this during the presidential election. by the way, they have been faithful to their problems and have done everything they can to destroy them in the past several weeks. other folks that read the facebook post and the twitter post and is solved different

facts that they thought might be true. i told them over and over again that they are false. it has been hard to overcome. for some reason we still believe everything we read on the internet and have been hard to break through. host: congressman, respond to your colleague. he says republicans were being political with legislation and reports that the former president also asked that this not be resolved before the election. guest: i do not know about the veracity of what he said, but once again, joe biden opened the border on purpose. he intentionally facilitated the invasion. he intentionally reinstated his catch and release policy. he has facilitated millions.

he has done it on purpose. now he is facing reelection. he knows that he is underwater and he is in a panic. rather than true border security , they have this gimmick, this coverage. i cannot speak for senator lankford. i do not know why he was part of this, but i can tell you there is a reason why we passed a real security bill a year ago. there is a reason we asked the president to sign the bill and they have not done it. it would give work to all of these illegals here. this is a pathway for them to vote in this country.

these are undocumented democratic voters. this policy being brought up as a political tool, they are being political in the era of an election. republicans are not going to look for it. they are suffering under the policies. they are going to hold him accountable in november. host: what is your reaction to the plan laid out by steve scalise? the spending bills over the summer leading into september. any warnings as to how this is put on the floor and a deal with democrats? guest: the least we can do is

continue the resolution to fund the government. the funding expires september 30. what we have done is perpetuated the policies and spending levels because the republican party has not shown a willingness to leverage and fight for policy changes. 50% better actually shut down. what we ought to do is a six month ci that funds the government that allows the american people in the election. i think we should let the will -- that will take the pressure

off and then we can continue to work in the republican house to pass our bill. if we pass those individual bills and they become law, they preempt that portion of the budget. what we cannot do is allow another bill that sticks it to the american people and funds the government -- host: thank you for some of your time this morning. we appreciate it. and we are in open forum. a debate over in the senate on that bill or any other issues.

david in detroit. david? caller: a lot of this is political solder. if we want a legitimate discussion, let's go back and revisit the decades that the u.s., at their hands and going down to those latin american countries and destabilizing their process and economics. we had a hand in all of that. we may not want to acknowledge how we destabilize and we may be more codependent on stability that can be had. it is easy for me to remember and by history because it seems

no more than -- this same argument was being had when people and say, we do not want those little black kids to go to school. we do not want those black families to move into our neighborhood. this feels the same way. this feels like we are going back to the 1960's. let's go back where we can restrict the movement of certain people. that is what this feels like. enough ammunition to make you fearful of these people. you go off hacks -- half cocked. host: independent. caller: hello. here in texas, i have to tell you. where i live, i feel like i am a foreigner in my own country.

when i go to the market, when i go shopping, it is so crowded. it is absolutely -- it is shocking. we are just overwhelmed. facilities, everything. you cannot believe the traffic. it is just unbelievable. i have to tell you, i get -- i am so worried. these legislators are so far removed from reality. all the violence has come in. now i have to lock everything and worry about of. we are not living the same anymore. no one is listening.

listen, i like immigrants from all around, but there is a way that you handle this. what they have done now, this is a true invasion, as far as i am concerned. they have no idea when our next terrorist act is going to happen, and i believe it is happening now, with all the things that have been happening, it is hard to believe. host: have you looked at the legislation, hr two in the house and this and it bill that they are going to have a test vote on today? have you looked at those pieces of legislation? caller: no, i have not. but let me tell you, for 40 years, i've been watching all this stuff and i never thought -- i never thought i would

experience when i am experiencing now. we are all just in shock. we cannot believe what has happened. host: understood. we heard those points. democratic calling. caller: good morning. i am african-american. i am from africa. everybody complaining about immigrants, why don't you go back to your, go back where your ancestors came from. this is the world. this is the earth. this has been going on since the biblical days, people have been spreading across the whole planet. this immigration stuff -- when elections come, they are going to lose again. every special election, they are not winning. there is cost, living, rights,

voters rights, there are other things going on. when november comes, do not be shy. thank you. host: tim in stockton, alabama. caller: good morning, greta. host: we are in informed. what is on your mind? caller: a couple caller said before, i believe -- i am independent. as long as you have people running around ignorant and living by fear, the sad part about the republican party -- i know you are too young to remember this, but one time -- every time it happens when the voting season comes around. they used to put --

you better get out there and vote, now is the brought people or whoever at the boarding. at the end of the day, if these people do not learn to quit being afraid, like one gentleman caller said he had people in new york living in fear. why are they so afraid? what are they so afraid of? thank you. host: we are in open forum. any issue on your mind. we want to show you a moment from the house floor in the other day. democrat of massausetts received a rebuke on the house floor after he remarked on president trump's on the -- ongoing hush money trial. it began after a debate on a procedural rule describing his legal entanglement in no

uncertain terms. here is congressman's response afr being admonished for his comments, followed by the ruling that then barred him from speaking on the house floor for the remainder of the day. [video clip] we are -- >> these are not alternative facts. these are real facts. a candidate for president of the u.s. is on trial for sending a hush money payment. and then fraudulently disguising those payments in violation of the law. he is charged with conspiring to overturn the election. a jury has already found him liable in a civil court. in this house is ok to talk

about the trial. it is ok to say that the jury is vague. >> i demand that his words be taken down. >> trump is corrupting the rule of law. >> although remarks may include criticism of such candidate official position, it is a breach of order to refer to candidates in terms offensive, either by accusing or merely insulting. also, as such in section 370 of the manual, the accusation that the president has committed a crime or even that he has done something illegal is not in order. the chair relies on the precinct 1998 for remarks consistently --

without object ends, the offensive words are stricken from the record. host: from the house floor yesterday, we are in open forum. democratic calling. what is on your mind? caller: thank you for taking my call. i wanted to give some information. my biggest fear is americans being uneducated. people do not know how to do critical thinking. my first point is about abortion. all these people who get in here and say life begins at conception. read genesis and it will tell you that life does not begin at conception. it begins when you are able to breed and ends when you are no longer able to bleat -- to breathe. i would like all of your viewers to watch face the nation.

donald trump was on their. listen carefully to what he said. you can understand why we have this more in israel. everybody is blaming joe biden for the border crisis and the border crisis actually began with donald trump when he closed the port of entry and then invited everybody to come to mexico. mexico is the size -- maybe around the size of texas. how can you put 10 million people in mexico, who do not speak spanish an the simple problem to solve the problem is go back to what was happening is to open up the point of entry in new york and california, and tell everybody to remain in

their home country, instead of flooding mexico. canada is twice the size -- canada is the second largest country in the world. they did not tell anybody to go to canada. they told them to go to mexico. host: russell in virginia. caller: i really called to speak to the representative, but i will touch on my point. i have not seen him in a while. i guess he ran. i do not understand how any of these people can support a man who on january 6, as commander in chief watched the u.s. capital under risk -- under assault and refused to send help. to me, this is simply disqualifying. host: who are you voting for in

november? caller: anybody but donald trump. he ruined his privilege to be president of the last when he allowed our capital to be assaulted. host: what did you think of nikki haley yesterday saying she would vote for him? caller: gutless. i was proud of nikki haley, but you cannot believe that she knows she believes and still say this is her choice. host: let's listen to the former ambassador and governor of south carolina. and former presidential candidate at the institute yesterday for the inaugural speech as their new chair. >> -- [video clip] >> who do you think would do a better job in the white house? joe biden or donald trump?

[laughter] >> as a voter, i put my priorities on a president who will have the backs of our allies and hold our enemies to account. who would secure the border with no more excuses. a president who would support capitalism and freedom. a president who understands that we need less debt and not more debt. trump has not been perfect on these policies. i have made that clear, but biden has been a catastrophe. i will be voting for trump. having said that, i stand by what i said in my suspension speech. trump would be smart to reach out to the millions of people

who voted for me and continue to support me and not assume that they are just going to be with. i generally -- i genuinely hope he does that. host: you can see all of nikki haley's remarks online. we are in open forum. front page this morning. hunter biden's business emails released to the public. the lawmakers made public a slew of emails and other documents provided by irs whistleblowers that they say show hunter biden repeatedly lying to congress when he gave testimony in february. the committee voted on party lines in a closed-door session. they show that hunter biden was

in close contact with officials that wired him $5 million after he threatened the wrath of his father. it suggests that he sought to you activities related to his position on the board. that is the washington times, susan reporting this morning. in louisville, kentucky, milo. caller: it will be a tough day for everybody. immigration is such an important issue. but -- host: you are talking about the senate vote this afternoon? caller: yes, ma'am. i'm not being glib about this. this has been on my mind. if you can answer it, that would be great.

very slim chance that donald trump will go to jail, but should he, does the secret service detail go with him? i'm not making a joke. they go every place with him come over they go to jail with him? host: ohio, independent. caller: hello? host: we are listening. caller: sorry. hr two, today -- e-verify is my thing. versus the house's opportunity to put their priority back in and send it back to the senate. host: linda, orange, connecticut.

caller: you know, it is funny. i'm calling about the same things that the caller from kentucky dated. if the president was found guilty, what would we do with him? i gave it a lot of thought. they would have to put him under house arrest with the secret service around him. i do not think they could put him in a federal penitentiary. i wondered the same thing myself, but that is what i called to say. this country has a long and ugly history with immigrants. italians -- irish may not apply -- we have to get over ourselves

with the fear of immigrants because we need them. we have an aging population. get some sanity. hrt was dead on arrival in the senate. the senate bill was derailed for political reasons. we know that as well. but nothing is addressing the issue. but we have to get the fear out of our eat those in the country and start thinking like adult and voting make double. there are logical ways to solve the problem. this back-and-forth, the american people are here -- are paying for every single hearing and every floor speech and we are getting nothing for it. host: we will talk about the bipartisan border legislation today. joining is now is ursula perano

with politico. this legislation is on the floor and they are going to have a test vote essentially today. tell us about this vote. guest: this boat is highly expected to fail to advance the border package that was originally tied to ukraine, israel and taiwan earlier this year. it was a vote to advance the bill with the border package included. that previously failed but now democrats are trying to lead an effort to pass this border deal independently of a standalone bill. they say it's a bipartisan compromise and it took a lot of time to negotiate obviously and they think it's worth passing. what we will see today is most likely even more votes peeling off, republicans are supported last time think it's a messaging tactic and they are not eager to boost chuck schumer's ability

and the democratic ability on this bill to say they tried to do something on the border and republicans did not. that would be their campaign slogan for it. there are some democrats who didn't vote for it last time around that are not particularly excited to see it come to the floor. it's really cracking denim border provisions on things like asylum and critical issues. it will not be a watershed moment for border policy change. it is something that democrats are trying to hone in on to say they have done something on the border when republicans are trying to hammer them and saying they have done nothing. host: how many democrats are they expected to lose today? senators markey, menendez, padilla and warren an independent senator sanders all voted no in february. how many today will likely vote no on advancing this legislation? guest: i think it's likely we lose probably additional hand full area some of the democrats

last time around specifically voted for the bill because ukraine aid was attached to it and senate democrats are acknowledging that themselves. one senator thinks there will be more votes lost this time around particular on the democratic side for that reason. ukraine aid was a huge priority and the border was supposed to be the compromise that democrats and republicans were making earlier this year in order to get ukraine across the floor but now that ukraine is out of the picture, democrats are concerned about some of the provisions in this bill and feel like it's not a compromise to get a bigger trade-off and it's not something they want to put their name behind. host: senator james lankford who helped negotiate the legislation has said he's voting no this time around because it's political he says. what about senators collins, makowski and ryan who voted in february in favor of this bipartisan border legislation? guest: it doesn't seem that any

of them have said explicitly whether they will vote for or against it. it did sound like they are all concerned about the messaging tactic at play here. lisa murkowski was saying she supports the bill on the face and the policy within it and she thinks it would be good progress but she's not a fan of putting a bill on the floor and what seems to be an attempt to get people on the record rather than having a policy that is likely to pass. the other republicans in that group that supported the bill last time around shared similar frustrations. these are some of the typical swing votes of senate republicans that like to make deals and they are not please this is where the negotiation given the time and the energy in the senate has ended up. host: there was also news in senate leadership circles yesterday, senator rick scott from florida announced he is

running to replace the outgoing minority leader mitch mcconnell. what about his prospects of becoming the leader for the republicans in the senate? guest: rick scott has run for leadership before so i wouldn't say it's surprising that he hopped in. he had been teasing the prospect. he will be going up against john thune and john cornyn and potentially others. rick scott definitely will appeal to the more conservative wing of the conference. he has had an approach to mcconnell and last year he was chairing the senate campaign arm from republicans. there had been a different approach this time around even trying to pivot from the position of leadership. i think he could definitely be courting some of the voters. it depends who else gets in over the next few months. we could see another senate conservative get in and there

could be some split voting happening but one thing that rick scott has been trying to went out is that he has a close relationship with former president trump. john thune and john cornyn have a history of breaking with trump on particular issues and of the three of them, rick scott is the most aligned on being in step with trump so that something rick scott is trying to pump up now as he announces his bid and we will see how it plays out over the next few months. host: you can follow her reporting if you go to politico.com and follow her on x . thank you very much. guest: thank you. host: back to calls and open forum, fort lauderdale, florida, independent. what's on your mind this morning? caller: good morning. i'm calling from florida. i want to say i was going to make a comment about one thing but regarding immigration, ike

called a big department store and i said i will have my apples and a guy comes to my condo and he ushers me in and raises the apples up and he brought me a bag of lemons. the problem was, he didn't speak english. i'm stuck with the lemons. i have nothing against people coming here to america legally. i was born in italy but the thing is this, what really got me going here, i watched nikki haley just now with her speech and donald trump doesn't want her endorsement that i don't think donald trump even cares what she does. she's just doing this because fox news has propped her up and they wanted her to be vp and there's no snowballs chance in hell of that happening. she was at 2% for a whole year.

then fox news propped her up and she attacked ramaswamy. she called him a bum and what happened? she is gone for three months and here she is again. donald trump secure the border, he said do something about our enemies. there was no president stronger than president trump. they were on their knees the entire time. host: who do you want the former president to pick as his running mate? caller: i would say as his running mate, i would say governor burgum from north dakota? host: yes, north dakota. guest: caller: believe it or not, i think rick scott would be great. host: from florida? caller: it was a great governor. now you've got to santos running around writing new legislation

every five minutes. meanwhile, florida is in very bad shape. host: i'm going to leave it at that. you mentioned a few people there in your comments. ramaswamy and the former president are both going to be attending the libertarian convention. that's this weekend over memorial day. they will gather here in washington to nominate their president and vice president candidate. the former president ramaswamy to be speaking to the group to try to court their votes for mr. trump. you can watch our coverage and learn more about it if you go to c-span.org. victor in brooklyn, democratic caller. caller: how are you doing? i'm at registered democrat as of now. i used to be a registered republican.

before a became a democrat after being republican, i was independent but i switched to democrat because whenever i came to vote at the primary, there was almost never any candidate that was independent so i switched to democrat. the reason for my call is i watch your show once and there was a gentleman from one state, i think it was florida who encourage people to work as poll workers for the board of elections. i am a former poll worker which i did for many years. i work for the brooklyn board of elections in south brooklyn. they are very disorganized. host: what is your point? caller: my point is there is election fraud going on which i

reported to the inspector general who has a new head coordinator. can i mention her name? host: we will move on. caller: pennsylvania, democratic caller. for 25 years, i worked on the polls in southern california. i was in a primarily hispanic district. the republicans are real shooting themselves in the foot going afr hispanics with the whole immigration thing and painting them as ing -- lawbreakers and polluting our bloodlines and all that. there was a time when i sned in a hispanic voter and they were republican.

they were that way because they were catholic and their employers told them just register as republican. they are really hurting themselves. host: the border security legislation, negotiated by a bipartisan group of senators is coming to a vote this afternoon. tune into c-span2. the vote to advance the bill happens around 2 p.m. eastern time is our expectation. you can watch on c-span2, c-span now, our free mobile video app or c-span.org. we are in open form this morning and want to share some other news with you. punch bowl news this morning --

that is one story to watch. here what happens if the israeli prime minister is invited and then speaks to a joint session of congress. let's hear from tommy in indiana, independent. it's open forum. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: we are listening. caller: i just want to remind people all of the stuff that's going on right now, the total disregard for the rule of law that the democratic party is

showing all for the sake of staying in power. from the president breaking the laws with the border, all the way down to the sitting judge in the trump trial, the numerous laws that they have broken. i want to remind everybody that everything going on with hunter biden right now, the fbi, the republican party didn't single hunter out. hunter's name came up during an investigation in another matter. that's when the whistleblower said we need to look at this and look deeper into it. host: in case you missed it earlier, we read from the front page of the washington times. they have the reporting on the

latest on hunter biden. happening todain washington on capitol hill, you can tune into c-span or c-span now or online at c-span.org for a hearing befo the house education and workforce committee with university president ofampus protests -- on campus protests and that begins at 9:45 a.m. eastern time today on c-span. at 10:00 a.m. here on c-span, the house will consider legislation to repeal the noncitizen voting law, law the federal reserve wanted to pass without congressional approval. tune into c-span for live coverage of the house 11 p.m. eastern time tonight, esident biden and first lad jill biden are hosting a white house staten in honor of the president of kenya. we willw you highlights from the evening including the president's arrival at the north

portico with notable guests in attendance and president biden toast to the president and his . watch ite house state dinner tonight at 11 p.m. now, or online at c-sp. c-span ahead of the dinner, you can use video app or website to watch the guest arrivals in real-time startin at 5 p.m. eastern time. there will be an official welcome for the kenyan president today at the white house this morning on the south lawn and then the two will be holding a news conference. all of our coverage can be found online at c-span.org. robert in texas, democratic caller -- caller: good morning. i just want to make a comment everybody's talking about the border and i don't know but i know you have all the time to

look through when president trump was in the white house, his mother-in-law and father-in-law come from another country. they spent the night in the white house but the next morning, they got up bright and early in the secret service took them to immigration and they fast-track to them to where they became instant citizens. everybody's talking about the border but everybody doesn't have that connection. people are people and these people are trying to get a better life. we better quit being so judgmental because god is looking. you reap what you sow. host: got it, buffalo, new york, republican. caller: hello? host: good morning, we are

listening. caller: thanks for taking my call. i just want to say regarding the border thing, a lot of it is just common sense. it's just common sense. when i want to go to canada, it's very close but there are certain rules you have to follow. they do a background check on you before they'd let you into their country. if a canadian wants to go to buffalo or the states, they are vetted and checked out thoroughly as well. i don't know where along the lines this policy of not checking into people as they come into our country came around. it's just common sense that we need to know for safety reasons who we are allowing into the country. i think it's very simple. for the last 3.5 years, this has not been followed at all. i think there needs to be a

price to pay for that. i hope all american see that. thank you for taking my call. host: front page of the new york times this morning has this story about justice alito --

this is the front page of the new york times this morning about another flag that was flown at a justice alito home. there is a piece today in the opinion pages of the washington journal. this is what he writes --

we are in open form, any political or public policy on your issue -- on your mind -- california. caller: it seems to me that men do not have an appreciation of the impact to them of reproductive care. men and their partners should both have the ability to plan the arrival of children. the prohibition of contraception which is the next agenda for reproductive rights impacts any man who wishes to avoid the unexpected birth of the child he must support until age 18. the lack of obstetric practitioners fleeing states due to abortion limitations may threaten the lives of men's partners, their friends and family and their unborn child without excess -- access to expert care.

care and support reproductive decisions about genders. host: i will get another call in, thank you. detroit, democratic caller. caller: always talking about the border now. i am 83 years old and as long as i can remember, the immigrants have been coming over and working and they are hard-working people trying to make a decent life for their families. what i didn't like about ronald reagan is he brought the greeks over here and gave them seven years federal tax free. i saw it because i worked with them in the gm plant. they was bragging about how dumb

the american people was. they brought them over here and they didn't take out federal taxes for seven years. when they started taking it out, they go to another state and do the same thing. that's how they got ahead. host: we will go on to sam in defiance, ohio, republican. caller: yes, i was a democrat all my life until the last few years. i want to comment -- i was a vietnam veteran. i want to comment about the people coming here who think they are coming to another country from socialist countries and the socialist country, look at venezuela and south american countries and they are coming here. the way things are going now, they are just coming to a socialist country. i think it's a shame that all the veterans since world war i

and world war ii has fought communism but we are coming to that. it's a socialist country and it never works. none of this has worked yet and we are on our way to that. host: in more news to share with you in foreign policy, here is the wall street journal front page -- that is the headline and many of the papers this morning. then there was also this in the wall street journal this morning -- that is the wall street journal reported. from the new york times reporting on this,

that election will take place july 4. massachusetts, independent. caller: good morning. host: we are in open form, what's on your mind? caller: i respect c-span. i've been watching c-span for over 20 years. i am a vietnam veteran. how can you put somebody like that on television? how can c-span allow all the nonsense when they put these politicians in front of the camera? we all know they are going to live. we all know they are going to say what they want to say and do. why would c-span do it? host: you get to hear from lawmakers from both sides of the isle and then you get to call in and comment. this is the only place that allows you to do that. caller: that's untrue.

it's not anything. i watch the senate and i watch these meetings. i see a lot of untrue. host: if you been watching the "washington journal" you need to mute your television as well. the washington times -- that was announced yesterday at the white house. tucson, arizona, independent. caller: good morning. i want to talk about the person who is running for president who is a loser. he's been a loser. this guy was a luer playing monopoly as a kid and i'm a few years younger than him. he has been a loser all his life. he is a loser in real estate, a

loser in managing a football team. he's just a loser. his latest trial, all birds of a feather flock together. i am a retired military guy and this clown, he's been a joke. host: all right, woodbridge, virginia, republican. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i'm calling in in response to a few callers ago where the guys said you guys don't put people onto comment about senators. i'm calling it the democratic strategy -- strategist yesterday who was talking about how much the democratic party is for the minority community. and how joe biden with his high inflation and open borders and

covered up the hunter biden laptop and the fbi abuses, how he is so wonderful. one of the questions that some of the asked -- what was the democrat crab party, a democrat asked what has the democratic party done for the minorities in this country? i will tell you and all you have to do is go and look at the data. go look at the stats. don't trust me. they have utterly annihilated the minority family in the united states. the black family in the united states has been utterly devastated by the government subsidy programs. are you there? host: all right, tom. you are a little bit hard to hear. you're going in and out and we will have to leave it there. we will take a break and when we come back, rama yata of the atlantic council will hear --

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this morning. we will talk about this visit by the kenyan president. why is he being welcomed by the biden administration and why now? guest: two reasons, it's the anniversary of the u.s.-kenyan diplomatic relations. it's time for a celebration. the second reason is it's been a while since the u.s. and especially the white house have a welcome for a state visit an african leader. that's to celebrate and the third reason is the message about immigration. it's important for the u.s. to strengthen their footprint on the african continent at the very moment when the polls show in the recent gallup report shows that the u.s. has lost their leadership position in africa's heart -- in africans

hearts. the chinese now surpassed the united states and russia is growing and growing and recorded the biggest and highest increase in terms of popularity among the global powers on the african continent. what are the concerns with you is losing their presence there and their popularity to those countries, specifically china and russia? guest: kenya is supposed to be a traditional alliance for the u.s. and that's where the polls are the most hard. it was important for president biden who promised travel to the continent unlike his predecessor who did not. there is many hotspots on the african continent where the u.s. has experienced a bad situation. for example in niger, the u.s.

military and troops have been asked to leave the country. niger hosted or welcomed the most important military debate in the region. it is very important for the u.s. to be there and for them to come back in some way with these visits. a lot is going on today. there is an important meeting on -- at the white house and congress. even if speaker johnson did not issue an invitation to speak to the joint congress, there is an important meeting with leaders of the congress with mike johnson himself and hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer all of their -- all of them will be there to talk with him.

the white house and u.s. government wants to promote this visit. host: tell us about the kenyan president. guest: he has made a shift from the policy of canyons. the atlantic council just released an interesting piece where they remind people about the policy in the shift from a look to the west -- from a look to the east policy to eight look to the west policy. he was not expected to win the presidential election but he did. today, he is supported by the u.s. he will present a country fully allied with the united states in the region, regent that is not very easy.

you have the largest refugee crisis in the world and sudan. in the south, you have the drc which is a country in crisis for 30 years. he is a president has deployed his activities everywhere on the global stage. even internally, we can feel a little disappointment from the public opinion in kenya3 on the global stage, he is doing a lot as far as attending climate conferences and launching military operations to rescue haiti. he sent 1000 police officers to support the government in haiti. to quell the gang violence. this is new that will be on the table during this state visit. host: the visit will be the

traditional state visit and there will be the arrival on the south lawn today and the news conference and this evening, the pomp and circumstance for the president. how does this benefit him? guest: it's the first state visit of an african president in eight years. it matters as a leader on the continent first. i think he would like to leverage his important relationship through many agreements, trade agreements. there will be a discussion around tech and climate and around financial commitments from the u.s. the first day of his visit, he will visit atlanta. he met many innovators and creators included creative

industries at tyler perry studios. he would like to transform the relationship into something more proactive. i think it's very important for him in all these areas to show how these relationships can be predictive and fruitful for kenya. it's important for the u.s. to show to their rivals from russia to china that a partnership with the u.s. is the most productive african countries can hope for when they work with the u.s. host: we want to invite you to join. the lines are divided. you can also text us with your first name, city and state at (202) 748-8003. when the two leaders hold a news

conference this afternoon, what lessons will the kenyan president gets? what tough questions will you get and what topics? guest: i think he expects support on the haiti mission. that's something that is still pending not because the u.s. doesn't support this mission. many have been mobilized to support this operation. the problem is internal because the judiciary blocked the plan. the project is not been very welcomed by the population. it's important r for presidentuto to get real support from president biden. he expects a lot when it comes to trade. of course, the two countries

have a very strong relationship in terms of trade. there is this strategic investment partnership that has been launched two years ago. i think they expect something more substantial. secretary raimondo recently visited kenya. president ruto may ask for support for his projects. he would like to build a new international airport. i think that would require a lot of money and he expects investment from the u.s. that's very different from what can you use to do before in terms of infrastructure. for example, the railway has been funded linking mombasa and nairobi and that's been funded

by china. this is a shift in the kenyan policy. from that shift, president ruto expects a return for this project. host: the new york times reporting on his visit today notes -- what is happening around kenya in these countries? guest: this is the reason of crisis. typically the powerhouse was ethiopia. ethiopia has been a crisis because of the civil war even with a peace agreement being signed, there is a lot of tension that prevented ethiopia

to continue to have a leading role in the region. a lot of people expect a lot from kenya. that is the first point in the second point is sudan where there is a civil war. it started in october october 2021 with a coup and the two coup leaders are fighting each other. the outcome of the civil war has been the largest refugee crisis in the world. you have many people who flee sudan to go into neighboring countries such as chad or even kenya. the drc does not have a civil war but it is a war with militias. it's the richest in terms of mineral resources.

it's the richest country in africa. africa is the home of 30% of critical mineral in the world. at the hub is the drc. in the east of this country, is large and many militias are trying to grab these minerals. it has been a three decade war. kenya is expected to play a moderation in all these crises. we can hear these days that it's possible during the state visit that president biden offers kenya a nato alliance which would be important because kenya would be the first african country to be nominated. only the fourth african country

after tunisia and morocco. host: it's a non-alliance nato membership? guest: exactly. last time it happened, it was qatar in 2022. it would be a major announcement but there's no information yet. we will see what happens. that symbolizes the strength of the relationships in these countries. it's not new as you know. they have worked together on the ukraine crisis. kenya is a member of the contact group on ukraine and on defense and they regularly meet with each other to support ukraine. this is kenya, really special relationship with the united states in a context that is very difficult.

the brix group is rising in africa. host: remind folks what that means. guest: it's a group of countries that includes china, russia, india, you have south africa until last year was the only african country that was a member of this group. their goal is to build a unilateral system. they also compete. in the last bricks summit in july in south africa, two new african countries joined around china, russia and india and south africa. it is a lot. these two african countries are

egypt and ethiopia. it's really time for the u.s. to be more inclusive in terms of including african countries in the western community. that's what is at stake now. it's a strong signal that has been sent. it was important because president biden promised to travel to africa. his predecessor did not do this. it seems given what's coming for the election, it will be difficult to travel to africa. all the more as the u.s. after the some of the took place in december of 2022 was very promising. the u.s. promised $55 billion of commitment in the coming years

in terms of investment and also a lot of agreements from tech and space. a lot of agreements have been signed so it's really a turning point and i think it's important for the white house to show how committed they are on the continent. host: we will go to calls, independent. caller: yes, i can't pronounce the new president's name of kenya. that's pretty much all i had to say. host: wylie, texas, independent. caller: thank you. i'm calling regarding the president of kenya. i'm from kenya originally. i live in the united states. president ruto has not done a good job and he will go down

history as one of the worst presidents in kenyan history. maybe you need to increase the tax base. all the money disappears and corruption. he used a private jet to come to the united states. that costs 250,000 per hour and he will stay here for four days and it will be paid by taxpayer money from kenya. host: he is not a popular president in kenya. taxes, corruption, flying on a private jet and moses says kenya will not get anything in return. guest: we will see what happens but as i mentioned, president ruto is eternally facing

challenges. he was recently elected and that is easy to explain. there was a lot of expectations from his election. that's what we hear from the canyons. -- canyons - kenyans. it's about inflation and corruption and there is a sharp difference between his popularity on the global stage, deploying activities everywhere and hosting many international conferences especially on climate or tech. the domestic challenges he's facing are on the right and that's important. it's important for president ruto to show that this visit will be as fruitful and proved -- and productive for kenya.

the most important beyond security issues come ukraine or haiti, the most important during this visit that will be watched by kenya will be the level of u.s. investment in kenya's projects. this is something that is key in his visit and that's why i think that will be brought up in the conversations they have. host: independent, you are next. caller: thanks for taking my call. unfortunately, the average american can't have a conversation about any kind of policy issues but especially on the continent of africa thinking of it as aid or a charitable endeavor on our part and then grousing about why we don't take care americans. can the speaker address some of that? africa is a continent on the

rise with an economic potential and a young workforce. you already touched on some of the mineral extracts. there are dozens of reasons why there is a great power struggle over influence and african why it's not just a matter of aid and benefits and fighting over small projects just in kenya. those are important but maybe the speaker can tell people about why africa stands to play such a critical role in the larger global stage in the century to come. host: africa is a paradox. as our friend just observed, this is the continent seen as a continent of poverty and wars. we mentioned a few hotspots earlier. it's also a continent of youthful opportunities.

there is an african center that is common. that's important to stress. the continent will double its population in the next 25 years. you know what it means becoming the most populous space or area in the world for china it meant economic power and for india is the most populous country in the world. it means growing economically. it's the same for africa because consumers are more educated and the continent is building the largest free-trade area in the world. it's home of 30% of minerals which is important for the green transition not only for africans but the world. that's why all these things have such an important weight in this

visit. it's not only the continent of middle-class but also the next frontier of the digital revolution. it has been the place of the biggest digital revolution in the past two decades. it's a lot. it's the place where the level of entrepreneurship is the highest in the world. the continent is at work. a lot is coming and that's why the the global competition is important. what is important also is to recognize the opportunities. in the west, what we cannot risk is that we always pay attention to the problems and challenges and never on african opportunities. it has a very concrete impact on the african economies. they rate african economies very badly. when you are an african state come he want to borrow money on

the global market, you have to pay rates that are four times higher than the u.s. interest rate and eight times higher than germany. it's not fair because it's the fastest growing economy in the world. there is something here that should be fixed on the u.s. can play an important role to fix that. host: here is a viewer who has this question for you -- these issues at the heart of the problem echo guest: i think so. the african bank recently mentioned that africa to cover [indiscernible] needs $280 billion in 2022, 20 23 -- host: say that number again.

guest: $280 billion. that's by 2030 and it's a lot. the international community promised and pledged $100 billion and they have not kept these schedules. this is the problem. more importantly, the global warming, africans are not responsible for it but they are the most hit by the consequences in terms of deforestation. there is so many challenges we face without having the means to pay for it. we are absently not responsible for it and that something that needs to be tackled urgently. africans don't count on the community -- on the international community anymore so they are trying to find

alternative ways to fund business, to climate finance, carbon credit, international banking and they are fighting on the ground. that's what president ruto last september hosted in nairobi the climate week. it was a few months before the cup -- cop 218 meeting. you are a senior director for the africans for africans and professor of african affairs. tell our viewers your diplomatic experience. guest: i have been a minister in the french government.

i grew up in france where i began my career before becoming a researcher in this well-established think tank in d.c.. i have been a politician in france. and then, ambassador. host: we are going to take a break and when we come back, we will be in open form and later, joined by rep. ami berato talk about the israel-hamas were with him. we will be right back. -- hamas war with him. we will

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is a safer place because of thought. he was on malign line for us to israel and the west. while he engaged in torture and terror the international criminal court, they never targeted him or considered arresting him. what we see now the icc has decided to target israel with the rest warrants and attempting to equate israel's just war for existence with the horrific acts of the october 7 a massacre. you have international bureaucrats. we will not allow them to use warfare to undermine state sovereignty or usurp the authority of democratic countries. they should punish the icc and if they are allowed to threaten

israel's leaders. there is a reason we have never endorsed international courts we don't put any international body ahead of our own. we have some very aggressive legislation we will push as quickly as possible that will impose sanctions and if the icc moves forward with its absurd request this will be an even bigger international problem. host: speaker mike johnson on the icc's action. johnson's team is eyeing a netanyahu speech before the august recess.

there are only six weeks of legislative sessions. time is short. netanyahu and johnson spoke on wednesday with the focus on the legislation to sanction the icc and no vote is expected on that until after memorial day. the two briefly reviewed the speech and find a date that works for netanyahu. if it comes together it will be one of the most divisive addresses to congress in u.s. history. chuck in chicago, and independent. caller: hey, how are you doing today? host: fine. caller: i have listened this program long enough to know

everyone tells you how old they are. i'm 52 which makes me the youngest collar in the history of washington journal. [laugh] i've been thinking of the supreme court and the court has done more in the last 25 years to make life for the average person are worse than any other institution. it's not even particularly close. worse than the executive branch, congress, the media and worse than the corporate class. it has been a quarter century of making life's worse. i have five examples. host: can you give us just one.

caller: dobbs, murphy, heller, citizens united. host: mike in riverside, california. caller: i feel idf and hamas have been creating so many war crimes. host: joe and austin, texas. -- joe in austin, texas. caller: i am a senior citizen and survivor of the hate crime. what i would like to bring to the american public. our governor recently parted daniel perry who came to austin during a black lives matter protest and shot someone in cold

blood. he was convicted by a jury and austin and the governor stepped in and said this man was defending himself. he has spent on the jury process. he has poison the jury in this case. how can anybody go to trial and have a fair trial and then have the governor pardon him and let him out on the street. this governor needs to be recalled, impeached or sat down and told he supposed to support and protect the people of the state and not play politics in the courts. host: we are an open forum this morning. any public policy issue that is

on your mind we can hear about it this morning. in washiton at 9:45 a.m.. the education and workforce will hold a meeting. you can watch here for free or on our free mobile app. the house will gavel and and consider legislation to repeal the voting law from issuing central bank currency without congressional approval. this evening, president biden and jill biden will host a state dinner and honor of canyon president president william rutto. we will show you the arrival, notable guests in attendance and

the toes to the kenyan presiden and his wife. watch it tonight on c-spa c-span now orine at c-span.org. ahead of the dinner you can use our app and website to watch the guest arrival in real time starting at 5:00 pead of the pomp and circumstance, the canyondent arrives at the white house. he will have a south on arrival ceremony and the two will hold a joint news conference at 12:30 you can watch all of that on our free mobile app or online at c-span.org. renee in maryland, democratic color. caller: i would like to comment on the immigration issue.

i disagree with the way they are handling it. my reason is simple. if you go to these countries you can come in and act like that. you can't show up without documentation and expect employment and housing or tap into the services. it does not work like that. we have laws and rules for a reason for civility. we can have a society where people think they do whatever they can do. that issue should be addressed. people come over here undocumented, there is no way to trace who is who and what is what. host: the senate is debating that bipartisan security legislation. that's 2:00 p.m. eastern time you can tune into the gavel to

gavel coverage. it's a vote to advance the bill. the new york post this morning. david warren cannot recall if you deleted covid records. the top advisor at the institute of health deleted records to uncovering the origins of covid-19 and used a back channel to help dr. fauci that funded the research to evade transparency. he improperly conducted government business from his private email account. it's a dog's. this is part of a hearing.

[video clip] >> the next email, i learned from our foia lady how to make emails disappear. i deleted most of these earlier emails after sending them to gmail. the next emailed with help of i.t. i went over the phone situation. my gmail is now safe from foia. it will be launched to communicate as long as i music my private emailed. nothing gets sent to me except to my gmail. sir, i believe you have lied

here when you said you didn't intentionally use your private emailed. >> so many of these emails i can't remember them all. the context is, this gmail communication was set up purely to deal with personal things that were not government business. >> with all due respect how can you say that when you know all of these emails were intentionally avoiding foia> . >> telling them don't send me things because i don't want to

get foia because those are personal things. sean in california, a democratic color. caller: the previous guest you had on really shows us we should not be sending soldiers from kenya into haiti if you're not going to do anything but expand the problem while africa is having issue and countries like russia and china in the infrastructure. the house that's in control, i would like them to do something. it's a shame to get up every morning and look at these people

arguing and not taking care of business and it's important for johnson. --we need to get ourselves together and do something to make a change in this country because we are starting to look really bad. host: on your first comments from the new york times reporting about the canyon president visit. they have agreed to deploy paramilitary police officers to help quell haiti and runs risk for president william ruttoif anyone is killed. host: jamaal from california. caller: i want to remind everybody we are not over covid

yet. my wife just caught covid. me and my brother [no audio] caller: i wanted to address the immigration problem. all of these republicans are saying that people that traveled all the way from south america that had to go by the state in mexico policy. they are staying in mexico at the border. it's like saying you can come to the fence of my house, they will just pile up in front of my house to make the problem worse.

trump' stays in mexico policy made it worse. we do not want the wall. i don't understand why republicans are trying to shove these policies down our throat and we voted against the wall it does not work for us. we want more judges, more agents, we don't want people waiting 10 years. six months is enough. we need these extra immigration judges and agents in order to fix the problem. they know exactly what they are doing because they sabotage the policy in order to run on it. anyone thinking anything different needs to wake up. people staying in mexico are not going to walk back to venezuela

or south american country. we have to understand, we are united states citizens but those are also americans. they are south americans that we need to get along. host: and a reminder for those two tune into c-span2 when the senate will have a vote on whether or not to advance to the bipartisan security measure around 2:00 p.m.. you can watch it on c-span2, c-span now or c-span.org. the front page and of the washington times. after phone data released by the ways and means meeting in a closed door bipartisan vote. the documents conflict with his testimony about foreign deals according to the republican committee.

there is this front page of usa today. a twisters shreds a small iowa town leaving major damage in those cities. take a look at the pictures there. there is also this in the newspapers this morning, the front page of the wall street journal. norway, spain and ireland look to normalize the palestinian state. front page of the new york times, they have this exclusive about another flag flown. after this upside down american flag was flown another provocative symbol was displayed at his vacation home in new jersey. this time it was the appeal to heaven which was carried by rioters of the capital on

january 6. also known as the pine tree flag. it is now a symbol of support for former president trump for a religious strand of the stop the steal and opposed to remake the government and christian terms. at the white house yesterday the president announcing more cancellations of student loans. 7.7 billion for 160,000 people. this is reporting by the washington this morning. also, in the papers this morning. rick scott, republican of florida will challenge others for the top spot being left think it by senator mitch

mcconnell. yesterday in washington, nikki haley and her inaugural remarks as chair of the hudson institute was asked about support for the former president. [video clip] >> on these issues of national security. who do you think would do a better job in the white house, joe biden or donald trump? >> as a voter, i put my priorities on a president who will have the backs of our allies and hold our enemies to account. who will secure the border, no more excuses. a president who would support capitalism and freedom. a president who understands we need less than, not more than.

trump has not been perfect on these policies. i've made that clear. but biden has been a catastrophe. i will be voting for for trump but i stand with what i said. trump would be smart to reach out to the millions who voted for me and support me and not assume they will be with him and i genuinely hope he does not. host: you can hear all of the remarks from the former u.n. ambassador and governor at c-span.org. we have chuck, we are here and open forum. caller: good morning me lady. i haven't talked to folks in a

few months. the thing i want to hit on this morning is the disastrous foreign policy. he is still using our money to buy votes. i hope he realizes, that we the people are not going to stand for that. there has to be some way and congress to stop him from abusing our money. host: in what way? caller: with relieving college debt. host: jim in pennsylvania on the republican line. caller: how is it going? i wanted to mention the one guy from alabama saying stan mexico did not work. when they took that away they

started flying all around the world and if they had kept stay in mexico, laken riley would still be alive. they always bring up the senate bill why don't you bring up hr two. host: we brought it up this morning but the debate is happening this morning over this bipartisan bill because the senate majority leader brought it back to the floor. we have also compared at this morning to hr2 we heard from bob good who was touting the benefits. we talked about at the first hour and if you missed it you can go to the website.

they vote to protect access to contraception. senator chuck schumer planned next month to fast-track a senate bill to protect access to contraception nationwide. the highlight the americans record -- republicans record to strip away reproductive rights. mary and mississippi, a republican. good morning to you. caller: good morning greta. i would like to know -- respond to rama yade. i would like to respond to the person who said she would not be able to

understand what she was saying. i think it is an insult that you have on someone from a foreign country coming over to beg for money from us. i realize we have interest in africa. i think it is very insensitive that you had her on today as an american citizen. we are 35 trillion in debt and we have other people on your show begging for more money. it's just not right. as a republican i listen to your show because of listen for 25 years and i said here every day and i take abuse from these democrats who call in and tell lie after live.

what i am about to suggest to the show is you have a disclaimer at the beginning during the show the people who call in, it's not factual. it is their opinion. a lot of lies and disinformation is being spread on your show and i think you'd be held responsible for it. i want to continue watching the show. it's a great show. but i think you be more aware of the disinformation that you are letting people call inherent spread mostly about donald trump. i don't mean to be ugly but it is a fact and i know that you know you take calls from democrats and they are telling flat out lies about donald trump. host: we appreciate the feedback. it's open forum so it would be impossible to fact check people in real time and it is people's

opinions and perspectives that we are asking them to share with us. it's not an endorsement of what they are saying. is not an endorsement of the newspapers we are reading for just having a national conversation, a debate about what decision-makers are debating. it is your chance to be a part of it. and for those in washington to hear your voices as well as they consider how they are going to vote. in california, a democratic caller. caller: good morning greta. thank you for c-span. i am calling to talk about comparing the lies that donald trump tells with the lies the joe biden tells. i am a lifelong democrat.

i can understand how they are saying that trump tells all these lies. i just found out that joe biden says his uncle rosie was eaten by cannibals and papua new guinea. the leader of the country and said something against our president which i am starting to think is really threatening him. i want you to look up when he lied about sharing a prison cell with nelson mandela. him lying about something like that? then he lies about inflation being at 9% when he took office?

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there is something for every c-span fan. shop now or at any time on c-spanshop.org. "washington journal," continues. host: joining us is rep. ami beralet's begin with the international criminal court issuing a warrant of arrest for the israeli prime minister as well as the hamas leader. speaker johnson said he would put forward legislation to sanction the icc over this move. antony blinken said he would work with congress to take action against the icc. do you agree? guest: i don't think what the icc did is helpful.

we are working towards a ceasefire and iccs actions make it harder. host: without those two in those positions, a cease-fire is not possible? guest: i agree. prime minister netanyahu was the leader of israel and the military leader of hamas which is led by sinwar it makes it harder to get them to the table to agreement and we have a humanitarian crisis and we have to get the cease-fire. host: for a long-term solution can those to be empowered? guest: netanyahu has said some

incendiary things and talked about occupying gaza i think it's difficult to find a long-term solution which i think has to be a two state solution. he doesn't have any motivation to get that piece. host: speaker johnson says he will have the prime minister of israel come to washington and address lawmakers in a joint session. aside a good idea? guest: i think it is cynical and i wouldn't do it during the war we have seen what this does on college campuses and how divisive this is. in a month or two if we have not averted a humanitarian crisis or gone the hostages back we will have a mess on our hands. host: you are on the

intelligence committee. i know you can't tell us what you are learning from intelligence officials, do you believe the israeli prime minister and israeli forces have done enough to protect civilians in gaza? host: i don't agree with how prime minister netanyahu has prosecuted this word. i think the amount of innocent civilian tragedies is astronomical. i understand urban warfare is difficult but again, we have to do everything we can to protect innocent civilian lives and we have a massive humanitarian crisis people without clean water, food, medication. we have to do everything we can to avert the crisis. host: you were part of a letter by 86 democrats to president

biden saying there was sufficient evidence to show israel has violated u.s. law by restricting humanitarian aid flows and asking for insurances to comply with the law. do you agree with president biden pausing weapons? guest: some of these weapons were not to be delivered for years. they are less relevant than the prosecution of the war as it stands today. on the humanitarian aid, we have to do everything we can to get those border crossings open to get the aid in there. now we are hearing reports that some of the settlers are stopping these humanitarian aid trucks and not allowing them to move into gaza. that is not war. we want to find a solution that

keeps israel safe but allows the palestinian people to live in peace and security. host: what do you think the ramifications of the sideline, norway, spain, ireland moved to recognize a palestinian state. guest: i think israel should stop and think about this for a long time. they are becoming isolated on the global stage. that's not in israel's long-term national interest. they have the right to secure his people and get hostages back. but the mismanagement of this humanitarian crisis is harming israel. guest: what happens when you have countries like norway, spain, ireland moving to recognize in a palestinian state . what is that do to u.s. policy? guest: our policy has always

been to find a path to a two state solution. and hopefully we can get to a permanent cease-fire. it is remarkable that the arab states would recognize israel. that's remarkable in the middle of the war. but that will come with conditions and an autonomous palestinian state in the recognition of israel as a jewish state. host: matt is your first caller from boulder, colorado. caller: i wanted to remind everybody -- i hear about of talking about how palestinians in gaza just voted in hamas and it is therefore their fault. the pushback i know of.

i am 60 years old. i'm not a young kid in college and i've been watching this a long time. what i have seen facts since the 68 war. israel had a chance we know they can defend themselves. they have been in control of the situation since then and they had the choice to help palestinians or oppress them and they continuously chose to oppress them. because of the generational oppression of the palestinians, hamas and hezbollah take hold. hamas were the only people who stood up and said we will build to schools, mosques, hospitals. nobody else would and of course the palestinians accepted that because they were the only people to help them. guest: thank you for making

those points. this is incredibly complicated. when you think about hamas is not a single entity there is the political wing of hamas which i think would take a cease-fire and there is the military wing who has no motivation to accept a cease-fire. you can't get to the cease-fire without the military wing. long-term, you will have it concentrated war or in autonomous palestinian state. we need new leadership with a modernized authority. none of this is going to be easy. we continue to work around the clock with the arab states trying to get a cease-fire and hostages released and try to avert a humanitarian crisis. host: the caller mention how

hamas was able to gain a foothold in certain areas how have they ruled? guest: before october 7 if you looked up pulling in casa, there was a lot of discontent with hamas. in the public of gaza was moving away from hamas. i do think the palestinian people on the west bank and in gaza wanted a different future. they want a future where they can live in peace and prosperity and at the same time, israel has to be recognized as the jewish homeland where they can protect their civilians. i don't see how the military wing of hamas has anything to gain by putting down their weapons which is why this is complicated. host: from virginia, democratic

caller. caller: is russia doing genocide in ukraine? guest: what's happening in ukraine is atrocious like kidnapping children and bringing them back to russia. these are in my mind, war crimes and really upsetting. i don't know if it's technically genocide but what the russians are doing in an unprovoked manner is really atrocious in the world has to stand with the ukrainian people a defeat vladimir putin. host: some have accused israel of genocide in gaza what are your thoughts on that? guest: i disagree with how israel is prosecuting this war. host: john, a republican in california. caller: i hear a lot of democrats come out and ask for

hamas to give up the hostages and surrender. when senator schumer asked for netanyahu to be replaced, that's a problem. in essence you want to destroy our relationship with israel for biden to get the percentage of votes he needs to win. if you wanted to get rid of hamas. if not the way israel is doing it how would you get rid of hamas? guest: here is one democrat that says hamas needs to lay down its weapons, return hostages and surrender. i don't think there is a future with hamas in gaza. i understand why they are prosecuting this war but there are different ways to do it. i urged them to be a little more tactical. i don't disagree with the caller

there is no future with hamas in leadership. host: mark, in new york, a republican. caller: i appreciate your sincerity about israel supporting aid. the two state solution that is being promoted by spain is a little cynical because they are not allowing the basque people to have their own state so how can they stand on their high horse and tell israel to do this. you see hamas parading idf soldiers and indicating they were going to rape them and this is the way they behave. why does the united states make a clear point about what the icc is doing and making appointment about the state department's report.

all of this is for the benefit of hamas. it's disturbing to me as an american and because of american hostages there. i am not in favor of american policy and how it is being handled. second-guessing israel and having them deal with this horrific situation is hurtful to israel's future in the world and i know you sympathize with israel. . guest: none of us tomorrow hamas and there is no future for the paulson people as long as hamas's governing. we support israel's right to support itself and get rid of the military wing of hamas. i don't think the military wing is ever going to surrender so israel doesn't have a choice

other than to go after the military wing. i wanted different future for israel and the middle east. one where everyone accepts a prosperous future and the only way i see that happening is if the palestinian people have a place they can call home and govern. this is going to be hard to accomplish but we have to try. otherwise, the alternative is a constant state of war and i -- that's the best position for israel. host: is there a fallout from the iranians presidents death? are there repercussions? guest: we have to pay close attention to who the replacement leader is. another generation of hardliners

or a chance for more moderate leaders to take a rent to a different position. -- iran to a different position. caller: this is a divisive discussion i think it's important to recognize the government is trying its best. [no audio] host: it is your turn to ask a question. caller: the question i would ask the congressman any american is why would we give people who were behind 9/11. guest: i don't think we are

going to give aid to iran or its proxy groups. our mission is clear to contain this crisis and how to get the hostages release to get the cease-fire. we are negotiating with saudi arabia, the uae, the other arab zone states to recognize israel and can we find a different future for the middle east? host: kim and carmichael, california. caller: hi, how are you doing today. you said you did not believe it was a, what do you believe it is? guest: i think there is a poorly prosecuted war with way too many civilian casualties. i don't agree with how they have prosecuted this war but i worry about the number of kids in older people who will starve to death which is why we are

working overtime. we have to do everything we can to prevent another humanitarian crisis because that is not war. host: kim, in california? caller: my follow-up would be when you deprive food i believe that is genocide. palestine and israel -- vevo iva palestina. guest: deprivation of food and

water, that is not were. host: when is it genocide? guest: intentional starvation of individuals, that is no longer war into tips into a different direction. host: maria, an independent. caller: i have a very simple question to ask because i'm trying to figure it out and i can't. how did we get so involved with israel so that netanyahu could come here and say there should be no light between us and israel? does the congressman's know anything about a plan with bp and in oil company.

some of the is involved with money, oil and we should have no part in the slaughter of these innocent people. guest: to the second point, i am not aware of this oil deal in australia. there are a lot of geopolitics that come into play when it comes to petroleum and oil. the united states and israel will be where the first country to recognize israel. harry truman did that in the late 40's, early 50's. we have always been fast friends. as friends, we have to say hard truths. we have to find a path forward to a two state solution or a release of the hostages. host: i want to ask your work on

the task force of artificial intelligence. hakeem jeffries has appointed you to this task force cavalier experience shape your work on the task force? guest: most of my focus, i'm a doctor in training so thinking about hey i will impact the delivery of health care. can it help with diagnostics, access to care and paperwork burden. those are things a guy can have a positive impact on. on the intelligent side, we have to be very careful with how we protect data privacy and protect american citizens. host: what will come out of this task force? guest: by the end of this congress we can't write

legislation but make suggestions on how they should approach and think about putting up guardrails for ai and how it ought to be used. host: is a bipartisan, wasn't endorsed by both sides of the aisle? guest: it was. when we had our initial kharkov we had speaker johnson and leader jeffries. host: melanie in missouri, the democratic caller. we have sheldon and arkansas. -- in arkansas. caller: how can they call netanyahu a war criminal for starving people when china has been starving people for year and no one is calling them out on it, the same to the north

korean dictator. guest: i don't agree with what the icc did. but i disagree with how he has prosecuted this war and not necessarily allowing humanitarian aid to get into gaza. i think the caller is correct if you look at the uigher population and china is atrocious. host: if it comes to the floor, how will you vote? guest: let's wait and see what the language of that resolution would be. as i've said earlier, i don't agree with the icc ruling. host: adriana in maryland. caller: rep. ami berayou are disgusting and every senator

like you to chalk this up to a terribly performed war when you see hundreds of people versus 14,000 children dead. this is a genocide. maybe you and the senators need a dictionary but by definition, this is a genocide. host: let's get a response. guest: again, i think it is been atrocious. the lost of citizen life. this is a poorly prosecuted war. after the atrocious actions of hamas, to set an example would go after hamas. i would like us to have the hostages released in a two state solution. host: ron is in 1000 oaks

california. caller: are you talking about prosecuting the war in a different way how would you do that using urban warfare? also hamas withholding humanitarian aid that israel was sending? guest: the early days of the war in israel they created a buffer zone in the north. this goal should be to protect the civilian population and longer-term with special operators in a targeted way you need to track down hamas leadership and that will take a long time. even if they go into rafah. you see open source reporting.

with the military wing go back into areas that israel has cleared? i don't think there is a military solution. there has to be a long-term special operators solution in my mind. host: we go to aaron, and independent. caller: rep. ami berai think you have said more than once you don't support hamas. i would like to ask a rhetorical question. how can a large portion of the white american population support a man who supports boogaloo boys, the proud boys, neo-nazis, the kkk. caller: i apologize because the house is about to gavel and. what are you watching for next on the israel-hamas front?

guest: we had secretary blinken in committee yesterday and i talked to one of our lead negotiators and they are working overtime traveling to the middle east and talking to the arab states. i hope we can get a cease fire and turn that into a permanent cease-fire. hopefully we can get saudi arabia to recognize israel. they will only do that if there is a two state solution. host: congressman abe berra thank you very much. host: the house is gaveling in.