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afternoon for us to know we are not alone. are not alone and there are allies who stand with us. and my pleasure to open our program by inviting an american evangelical a former two-timeor international religious freedom president of the congress of and

evangelical leaders and multi state's work at the intersection of faith and foreignthe fact he is c medal of valor and the task for minorities in the middle east. he is about to speak to us but i heard him speak at the israeli embaand if you have been to the embassy knows that outside the embass any there are amply fires air raid siren going out 100 december bells. and it can break your ears and out there and p reverend moore say if they cared about human rights, they would turn their speakers in the other direction so the chinese can hear their objections the way uighurs are treated.

please join me in welcoming johnny moore. [applause] >> the lord has chosen zion. and when think the

relationship especially in the of an occasion that i witnessed. was in my early 20's. is psalm

132, verse 13. the words say for the lord has chosen zion. when i think of these sometimes complicated relationship between evangelicals and the jewish community, especially in the united states, i often think of an occasion i personally witnessed. in my early 20's i was invited to a organization honoring a prominent evangelical for his support of israel. a small

reception and then a brief ceremony to honor e individual. first a statement was to be made by an executive of the jewish organization, then an award presented to the evangelical. the evangelical would say thanks, then closing comments from a rabbi. short, sweet, elegant, done. that's not how it happened. the award was amazing. it wasn't that unusual for the occasion. it was stunning and perched oa beautiful stand. everything went just fine until the shofar was handed to the evangelical. as overzealous preachers sometimes do, he took to the podium and said some words of thanks i do not remember before he did something i will never forget. he said, i only wish i knew how to play the shofar. that was when one no doubt well-meaning member of h somewhere in mississippi, stood up and said, i do, i used to play the trumpet. the evangelical, in a total lapse of judgment, you are -- he said, come up. she did. it quickly became apparent she could not play the shofar. her cheeks ballooned but she was getting more embarrassed so she would not quit. she turned bright red, nearly collapsed. i thought this poor lady was going to die before our eyes before the evangelical talked her out of it. he got the good sister to give up. then the rabbi assumed the podium to give his already prepared remarks, which began with a beautiful few sentences about how the shofar is rarely used except on the most sacred occasions. and there you have it in one story, the evangelical jewish experience together. [laughter] the truth is, we have actually been running in the same circles for a very long time. in 1897 in switzerland, when theodor herzl gathered 200 delegates for the first zionist world congress, many people believe only jews attended. and they are mainly right, but not entirely. since this is a zionist coalition, you may know theodor herzl also invited 10 christian observers to the first zionist congress. he was not only one of the most influential figures in history, having ignited the zionist movement, he

was also a dear friend of christians of the evangelical kind. it was he himself who first used the term christian zionist, and he used it to describe the commitment to israel exhibited by two of his chri was william hechler, a missionary with the british embassy in vienna. he became fascinated by herzl's influential work with the jewish state and became of one of his most zealous followers. he became a loyal disciple of herzl's teaching, which is ironic because herzl was secular. he commented on this hechler considers my movement to biblical even though i proceed rationally at all points. hechler was very influential leading up to the declaration. probably the first person to be r

ideas led not only to the founding of the red cross but also to geneva convention. he was awarded two nobel peace prizes, including the first one in 1901. something to think about, as we watched in recent months the red cross and its interaction with hostages held by hamas, their founder, the father of humanitarianism, was also a passionate christian zionist, because of his belief in the bible. as early as 1866, he began advocating for the return of jews to the holy land. despite being personally invited by herzl dunant was not able to attend because of an illness, but heltortant that herzl mentioned him by name in his closing remarks. on that very day, herzl wrote to dunant. he said, on the day zionism is so

secure that it can ponder its origin, henry, your efforts will have the recognition they deserve for their astonishing foresight and true christian generosity. you have so many claims to everlasting gratitude from your fellow man. your place in the history of civilization is so exalted, so touched with glory, that y to the cause of zionism, may indeed be lost, given the scale of your other achievements. after all these years, more than a century since that occasion, the truth is we have no excuse not to know one another better especially now. i am oftenially by my jewish

friends, and especially since october 7, why evangelicals feel this way about the jewish community. i think it's because of what we have done. we have spoken our community with moral cl day since, from d.c. to sao paulo, london to johannesburg, doha to austria. we have shown up by the thousands to solidarity rallies globally. we have spoken every time the press asked us a question. we have dedicated our own television and radio outlets the countless hours of coverage on israel and against the rise of we have advocated relentlessly for the hostages. i helped organize a rally outside the red cross and the human rights commission in geneva. i personally met on multiple occasions with those leaders and the leaders of the arab state. i was just in saudi arabia just over two weeks ago.

i spoke to the eu parliament. i arranged for family members of the hostages to speak in front of 10,000 college students at liberty univer the largest evangelical congregations in the country. i spoke at pepperdine, wheatland college, and delivered theddress at wesleyan just a few weeks ago. i will be at stanford later this week. in two weeks, i will make my fourth solidarity visit to israel already this year. on my visits, . at the end of every day in jerusalem, i visit the kotel. in january that meant after an emotional shabbat dinner, it tested my commitment. i wanted to go to sleep and i was very far away. the gps is scrambled in israel. it takes a while. as an

evangelical, i couldn't imagine not going to the kotel to pray for israel at a moment like you that i may spend more time in the middle east than most, i am not unusual. every leader in my to do something to help israel and the jewish community since october 7. i do not know a single evangelical leader who has bowed under the pressure to abandon israel or to make excuses for anti-semitism exploding on our streets. [applause] our faith doesn't ure says, our christian new testament, if you

people, you cannot be a servantns to this, but generally we can't blink. we must hold our ground. courageous against all the opposition in the world. ladies and gentlemen, we are especially suspicious of political correctness. spiritual leaders have an obligation not to be hú swayed by political correctness. jeremiah, isaiah, micah, none of them were swayed by the po political correctness of their day. they knew, as you know, as we know, that we needed to be guided first by god's word. if you need any more evidence of the sinister effect of political correctness, just look at what happened yesterdaynd what also

happened this morning before we gathered here. yesterday, two of the most objectively evil leaders in modern history, iran's president and foreign because of bad weather in the mountains of iran. yet all morning the foreign ministers of countless countries have fallen over themselves, even in democratic countries, to issue statements warning the deaths of these sinister individuals. ie with what the british minister of state security tweeted. his sentiment i think is correct. he said, i do not mourn the death of iran's leaders. and he's right. with the foreign minister masterminded the ruthless murder of thousands in iran. they were serial killers. and when i sat on the u.s. commission for international religious freedom, we unanimously, democrat and

republican appointee, agreed unanimously to demand the u.s.aisi when he was the justice of the supreme court and government did sanction him. they called him the butcher of tehran for a reason. because his blood lust was most satisfied by slaughtering the most vulnerableâ women ands of the lgbtq community, the teenage community of his own political adversary including the baha'i and the evangelicals, my community, in iran, and we keep growing. we just gro a day to mourn. it is a day that the long people suffering of iran celebrate. and if the u.s. gave them free internet right now we would hear their cries for help, for the world to free them from this evil regime but unfortunately, again and again, our leadership, democrat and republican, the u.n., e.u. year after year after year have

closed their ears to their cries for too long. no longer can we close our ears to the cries of the people of iran. then, there's the news of this very morning. as yet another institution created in a system built precisely to prevent the atrocities of nazi germany made an outrageous decision that only helps those who dream of another holocaust. to date, all good people in the world, whatever k with moral clarity, not political correctness, in response to the decision of the prosecutors of the corrupt international court because that's what it is. it's corrupt. they have equated today while we were coming to this conference a democracy with a rule of law and with checks and balanc robust judiciary to a terrorist organization which beheads babies. this is profane beyond comprehension. today, what we

witnessed was a transparently corrupt decision made by whitecollared antisemites, antisemites which enable terrorism while seeking to diminishâ and believe me, they will dismantle the sacred they owe their own existence and which are meant to protect everything we cherish in the world. democratic countries must band together and exact a devastating cost from the i.c.c. for this. there are no both sides. we should sanction them for doing this. then, we should reform it or it should be shut down. [applause] reverend moore: because make no mistake

from october 7 until nowâ and i want to say this as clearly asspect, defending zionism has become a proxy for defending all of our western democratic values. and must be diligent. there is no time left for complacency. you and i, our community and your community, we are living together in an existential moment. it is a moment of choosing for all of us. and i should get back to my topic. so why do we jewish people? is very simple. your book is our book. your heroes are our heroes. and your values are our values. i stand here today as a christian, blessed because of israel, blessed by the jewish people because the bible we love and the bible we cherish as christians is a jewish book.

is actually the hebrew bible. and every book in the christian new testament except for one was written by a jew. the christian new testament says these words. which virtually every evangelical believes. the word of god is living, and it is active and it is sharper than any twoedged sword. it pierces to the very division of our soul and our spirit. it discerns even our thoughts and intents down in our hearts. your care for the hebrew bible, the diligent reverence through your scribes throughout history has changed our lives as christians,e of the reverence they had and many of you have, all of you have, for the name of god and for god's very wordsn fact, in history

we loved this book and have loved this book so much that part of our christian story involves many people who died to preserve this book and then to translate it into the languages of the world, including english. one of them was william tyndale. william, a historian, wrote, was singularly dedicated to scripture his entire life. the f england had him killed because he was translating the bible in ordo masses. and what part of the bible was he translating? the hebrew part of the b top of logs that had been dusted with gunpowder. then, they tied him to a post and set him on fire. e if he did have final words and he said i do have final words. he said lord, he prayed, open the eyes of the king of england. and three years after his murder the king's eyes were opened. he called tyndale's assistant and

finish what tyndale had started. and there are countless stories like this in history. there's one that may be hypocrattical. voltaire is said to have boasted 100 years from this day that will not be a bibleâ there will not be a bible on earth except for one that's looked upon by an antiquarian seeker. i don't know if the quote is accurate but i do know this part is accurate. within 50 years after voltaire's death, the very house in which he once lived and wrote was used by the evangelical society of geneva as a storehouse for bibles with printing presses to print bibles. [laughter] see, we as

christians, we rely on isiah 40:8. the grass withers and the flower fades but the word of our god stands forever. we ay the words of psalm 1:19, god, open our eyes so we may see your wondrous law. we believe the words of psalm 33, for the word of the lord is right and true and he's faithful in all he does. and by the word of the lord, the heavens were made in their starry host by the breath of his mouth. see, we believe the bible is the most important book in history because it has

changed our lives and it has changed our world, and we are grur values are our values and i know, okay, that you, many of you do not endorse all of our views or all our of your interpretation of your scripturees. the values that undergird everything we love in the world. values which have helped held the worldâ have held the world together for centuries, they were the ideas of god, and we believe they are also the ideas which inspired america itself. they are jewish values. we believe the history of america isn't a christian story. it is a judeochristian story, flaws and all. [applause] this is a country where religious freedom is enshrined in the first clause of the first sentence of our first reason is our shared values. george washington recognized it and when he did he recognized it to our nation's oldest jewish congregation, as you no sanction. and our

founders were geniuses to put both the free exercise and the antiestablishment clauses in the same sentence. but underneath that genius was the wisdom of god's word. see, so many of our christian values, they are jewish values. our very concept of god, the idea there is good and evil, that our rights come from god. that every human being ise god. that there is a divine order to this crazy world. the concept of free will, which we believe. even the 10 commandments, with the exception of shabbat, which we foolishly left behind, we memorized them as children and your heroes are our heroes. we sh heroes. they are also our heroes. they didn't always get 8v it right. when our 7yearold he borrowed socks from my drawer

and he got multicolored socks and he looked at my wife and said these socks are like joseph's socks. [laughter] and then my wife asked our little guy, well, can you tell me joseph's story? and alexander with total confidence, nota beat, he said, yes. joph had lots of colorful socks like these. then, his brothers threw him in jail but he broke out of the jail. then, he defeated goliath but then they threw him in the lion's den. the bibleâ [laughter] but we tell our kids, we tell them to be like noah. even if it requires standing up tthe criticism of the entire world because they can always trust god. we tell them to be like moses. even when moses was washed up, depressed, on backside of the desert, god still had a plan for him. and it was the greatest plan in human history. he even had to send a burning bush to getmoses' attention and then he sent moses to set the captives free. among the friends thrown

into the furnish of an unjust king. we tell our daughters to rise up in esther moments to rise up to the task. and well our sons to be like jonathan. we pray for the wisdom of solomon, the faith of abraham. and joseph's path for being bloodied and a slave to rising to the very right hand of pharaoh himself because god takes what the enemy means for good. we believe god still parts red seas and we teach our children that the same bible which teaches us about abraham isiah, joseph, esther and is the same bible which

commands and then commands us to be a frien jewish people, to bless israel and in the first boo t bible, nonetheless, in genesis chapter 12:3, i will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you i will curse and all the people's on earth will be blessed through you. we tell our kids that the word blessing in the text is an active verb, not a pa just require warm sentiments orut action. tactless, i've learned. and we believe that the curseâ that to curse israel is a passive word. it doesn't require action. it could just be to be inactive, to be passive, to notare that much, to be distractive in other things. in other words, in our churches, we teach if yos attacked when our jewish neighbors are

attacked, it is also an act of cursing israel and the jewish people. i felt this so strongly on october 7. that evening i was going to israel, the plane ticket booked. i was headingâ all packed, my suitcase ready at the door. and i had two that morning. as i looked at myming. i thought, first, of a dear observant friend of mine, a mentor of mine, a rabbi, in fact, who i knew because he lives here, this was a twoday holiday. not a oneday holid and i just didn't know how much he would know about everything that was going on. and i felt like i had to fill the gap. and as i saw those horrifying videos, i scrolled through my

social media feed beginning, as you remember probably, there were so many videosâ many videos that have been taken down now. and i remember walking through yad vashem, i visited with my i dwelled on that trip and that little garden for the riteous amongst theâ among the nations. and i decided in that moment that it was my time to answer the questionâ what would i have done had i been alive during the holocaust? and i went to my wife and i said, i'm not going to israel but you're not going to see me for a few days and i locked myself in my office and i began to fight what i knew would be an information war even as we called churches all across america to pray. and secondly in my personal case, i felt a profound concern that we were going to lose the momentum we

had built toward peace which we've been building since the planning going from israel that very week on wednesday to saudi arabia that week in october. most of my energy ha dedicated to peace making. other people were caring about other things. but over my dead bodet these evil terrorists steal the been working on for years. and it's in that spirit that our entire communit commitment in the aftermath of october 7 which persists to this very day, we decided that when hamas or those who make excuses for them incite antisemitic attacks on jews anywhere in the community, that we would speak up and we would act. when they called a dprayer. when they spewed hate, we decided we would double down on our love for the jewish community. but i

preached a sermon at one of the most revered evangelical congregations in california.mon that we have the opportunity now to stand with the jewish people like never bef what god expects from us. it is also critical. together jews and christians can be an unstoppable force for good and force that will push back evil because evil is exactly what we saw on october 7. the world wants us to move on, but we must refuse to move on. hamas went village to village and home to home. we will not move on from october 7. they hunted jews because they were jewish. they slaughtered babies. they targeted the elderly includ children. they put a child in an oven. they abused women before their deceased husbands before they burned whole families alive. those are the sanitized victims. the victims were from 40 countries. it was an attack on the entire world.

as christians we must let our voice be heard and we must declare that we stand without reservation with the people of israel. e stand without reservation with the jewish especially in our country. we stand without reservation in support of israel's just war of selfdefense. [applause] and i told that congregation as i told many congregations that war is hell and like every war, it pains us to watch the innocents suffer, especially those hamas uses and continues to use as human shields. as richie torres said today, hamas is the cause of everything tragic that has ensued since october 7, and hamas alone should be the target of criminal prosecution. there are no both sides here. this is

a moment for choosing. israel's enemies, they don't want a twostate solution. this is about a final solution. and as others choose the cowardness of silence, as christians, went. and if you have ever asked yourself what would you have done had you been alive, this is e moment you answer the question. because you are seeing in front of your eyes history. and as we saw in such grotesque forms in the last few weeks that our most demonization and the delegitimization, the double standards that were applied to the jewish communityâ let me rael

recently i had the privilege of visiting president herzog alone in his personal office. and we had ng conversation. he likes history like i do and so he took me over to the wall in his office and he has the halakhah ruling his grandfather made to authorize the ethities immigration to israel. i'm the vice chair of the board of the international fellowship of jews. and he has the letter from harry truman on his wall israel by president biden. and when i sat with president herzog, i told him something i want to tell you, too. i said mr.â president, it may feel like 1938, but it isn't 1938 for at least two reasons. the first reason, o state of israe reason may be less obvious. there are over 600 million evangelicals all around the world, and we believe it is our responsibility to stand with the state of israel and jewish people everywhere. and what we have decided is if they're going to get to you, they have to getthrough

us first. [applause] i know the jewish community is strong. i know you're proand alone. even as antisemitism rages. but i want you to know you don't have to. you're not alone. because somehow,e history between the christian and jewish communities of christian antisemitism which caused your with our community as an eternal shame, god has also surprised us by giving us an unusual time in history. we're in a world rife with antisemitism. there aren't 10 christian zionists go to the zionist world congress. there are hundreds of millions of user the

world. and look, i live in america and i know that there are some members of the jewish community even in america who had' rather stand alone than stand alongside evangelicals and i get it. i don't even judge them for it. my friend, a stein said to me. saidâ i'm she said, look, johnnie, every n history, someone decided to kill all the jews and for most of history, it was a christian. and she's right.ty for keeping their guard up when either a christian or more so a politician comes to you and says, i'm here to help. but i ntwe actually here to help. and let me be clear. like us or not

trust us or not, i am here to say, even if you don't like ust trust us it really doesn't matter. you can count on us. we will stand with you always. [applause] and finally, i didn't come here to convert anyone. quite the opsite. iame here to thank you for converting us 2,000 years ago. we've learned so we have so much to learn from you. and we probably have a lot to learnom each other. and as i often do, i like to give my final words to the bible. and this time it will be second kings chapter 6:16 where it says don't be said. those who are with us are more than those who are with them. in that sentimentâ and that sentiment may not have been true for most of history but it is truer now than ever. in our

churches, there is a song we contemporary song, a newer song. written in australia. and the song goes, based upon thepture, it may look like i'm surrounded, god, but i know that i'm surrounded by you. and that's what i have to say about that. [applause] >> thank you so much. we are going to open for questions in just a moment. i want to share wi you+a, ritht before i shut down my computer, i saw this message and it said, my dear jewish friends, [speaking hebrew] while you're focused on passover, your nonjewish friends will be holding down the fort, capitalized, blessings, johnnie moore. are there any questions

they would like to pose for johnnie? please wait for the mic rone toâ microphone. >> thank you. what an incredible friend. how about the mainstream christian churches? we heard from you from the evangelicals. how about the liberal churches? we seem to have problems there, the methodists, presbyterians, outreach to them? reverend moore: i have three observations there. the first one is, the form of evangelical christian zionism that we're accustomed to, actually the main line denominations were zionist denominations. they carried this before we did. and one of

think, is there's a small group of leaders in those denominations that are trying their best to hold on but they don't have to become like us in order to do what's right. they have their own history and their own theology. many of them don't know it all. that's number one. number two, icome so intertwined with religious practice that i think that many of them are making political decisions. they are not making decisions based on the bible or theology. sorry. that's my impression. and then number three, i would sayâ and i'm sorry to say this. i want lots and lots of people around the world to be dedicated to their faith, but they're also in they are blending in to the rest of society while other movements, you know, are growing. and so i don't actually worry that much about them. iâ you know, unfortunately, there are a lot ofâ like we're seeing with our institutions. our academic

institutions. there's a great historic heritage they inherited and includes a lot of assets of many situations. including, you know, large buildings in places like geneva, including, you very prominent institutions, you know, around the world. the difference between evangelical and between the main line denominations, they sit in the places of power but they don't really talk to very many people. we don't sit in places of power but we talk to hundreds of people. >> i like to follow up on that questi what you said. but even so, within the context of some the main line groups, methodists and presbyterians and others, we sometimes hear statements so critical of israel and one of th to be do they not realize what is being done to christians within so countries? how do theyâ help us understand how they don'tâ why they don't agree with you? reverend moore: i think it'sâ i

think it's a great question and total quandary to me. it'sâ you know, i think maybe certain members of the jewish community many of our great black congregations in america but also our great main line denominations at critical moments in history. you may have more of an ability to communicate to them than we do. there are certain circumstances where we all are aligned together on certain issues. you know, theâ i've actually had mu council of churches when we talked about the persecution of, theâ the islamists have actually learned from what hamas did on october 7 and we're seeing and hearing more about these little christian congregations in the northeast of nigeria, you know, being the

victim of these same types of atrocities. we've had some success aligning with them and working with them on those when it comes toâ when it comes to israel, they're in a differentâ they're in a different place. it's not because of the facts. i don't know what it is. and certainly not of the theology, either. >> yeah. hello. thank you very much. very passionate. my name is jan kaufman. i would like to know how you speak to the white supremacists among evangelicals. the sentence jews will not replace us haunts me all the time. and many of those people claim to beâ i don't know if they claim to be evangelicals but they claim to be strong believers in the gospel and it's very frightening to me. reverend moore: it's very simple. they're hair particulars. they don't believe in the bible we believe in. they're not evangelicals either. some of them may come from communities, you know, where most christians are evangelical christians but they n't reflect our beliefs. i'd also say, there are a lot fewer of

them than you think there are. there's a real concern aboutian nationalism in the united states of america. i mean, i e minutes into a conversation with friends of mine who areâ who aren't evangelicals and this term christian nationalism pop., just be clear. evangelicals, they do not have a vision for a theocracy in america. okay. evangelicals mainly just want to religious freedom. okay. and this term christian nationalism is a political term, okay. it's not aâ youw, kme way the decision of the i.c.c. today alsoâ minteresting he said today. hesaidis is not a legal decision. it's a poli decision. and i think an evangelical that wants to have a voice in the public square is being aâ as being a christian nationalist is a politicaln't reflectâ reflect the reality. evangelicals want religious america to be a theocracy. and when the white supremacists pop up, and they do in certain

places. i'm from the deep south in the united states of america. it'se in a while you hear or see these things. we condemn them. okay. it's very often our condem fit the political narrative and they are very hard to find in that public narrative. >> thank you very much for being here today. a beautiful presentation. i'm still waiting from my neighboring christian churches to reach out and offer ondolences anything. their silence has been deafening. can you speak to why so few are reaching out to their fellow clergy, their fellow houses of faith?end moore: i'd have to know about your individual situation, your individualâ where you live. these sorts of things. but iâ i thinkâ i think the same thing is true among evangelicals as it is, you know within the jewish community. i think weâ first of all, i would question whether i reached outâ if

you reached out to any evangelicals in your area, whetherâ i think they would come. i think they would meet with you, participate with you. but they may think in certainâ sorry to say this. but many circumstances, because of our politics in the united states of ica, you know, there is this assumption that evangelicals are on one side of the aisle. everybody else is on the other side of the aisle. and it becomes about politics. and all crossing the bridge. and then all of a sudden, you know, what we end up finding, you know, in america, we can play a constructive role if we know one another. this is a country where we can still get great things done, you know, without forsaking our own individual convictions. but somebody's got to make the first step and iâ you should not have to make the first step during october 7. in the aftermath of october 7, but there are plenty of evangelicals thatâ that are content to pray in their congregations on su events, all of these things, but they don't reach out to the jewish community because they don't know them. we have to fix

that. yes. >> hi. thank you for your remarks. it's wellknown there's a generation gap in america ben voters and their views of the israelipalestinian conflict» articleâ i don't know when it was when. maybe a year ago "the new york times" claiming that younger evangelicals were beginning to question evangelical churches' relationship to israel and look wonder if you could comment on that. >> yeah. a few things to say there. number one, wh it's like 83% to 75%, like it's a decline statistically, it's a significant decline, but it's still like in the 70's and i think when you actually look at the dataaone of the things we're discovering in the evangelical community after

october 7 is a phenomenon i see among my jewish friends in israel is a lot of younger jews in israel who theâ theto the jewish community and state of israel, their grandfathers fight, it was grandmothers or ers of a previous generation, what's emerging now in the aftermath of october 7, there are these young patriotic israel east whoâ israelis who, owm in themselves and maybe weren't passionate about it than their grandparents or parents. the heroes of this war won't be an additional chapter in the same story with the same players. there are new heroes emerging and i think you're seeing an increase in patriotism. i stillhich i am not willing to give away to i think you're seeing more of that in israel. and we're also seeing it as evangelicals. so in our own evangelical churches, there are many, many young people who never really prayed for israel or for the peace of jerusalem or all of

these things but since october 7 there has been this profound intersection with the 're concerned about and not with hamas but with -- but with israel. and they -- you know, they sh -- they don't have a life-long acquaint wey do have a life-long acquaint yens with the jewish -- acquaint acquaintians with the

jewish comment. as a kid from south carolina, i adult. ok. but my church just taught me this. it's inside of my d.n.a. and i think that's the case for many evangelicals. that's number one. number two, look, there has been a convergence. it's what i said in my talk lecture a few minutes ago. to be anti-israel is to be anti-all western democratic values. you know, that's what's happening now. and you cannot underestimate what's happening in the tiktok world. you know, in 2020, i the early advocates for dealing with this issue in the united states. it's probably what got me sanctioned by the communist party of china. but what this war when a letter by osama bin laden went viral among young people like, we need the united states government and the government of democratic countries to stop playing paddy cake and political correctness with real national security threats. and make no mistake, the adversaries of democracy who often do it under the auspices of democracy, ok, we've seen, you know, a corrupt form of democracy that is only synonymous with the popular vote be the primary strategy embraced by the muslim brotherhood. in count aries. ok.that the most powerful countries in the world are trying to turn our values against us and they're using our technology, you know to we have to pay attention to those things. and then number three, there's one prominent survey that came out. to give -- there is one prominent survey that came out a few years ago that showed a drastic decline of evangelicals and their support of israel. they asked whether they supported dispensational escotology. a lot of people reason why evangelicals support israel.

they use it as a proxy if you believe in this, you support israel. if you don't believe in this you don't support israel. i think one of the survey questions are asked are giving a skewed result, frankly. anytime there is any indication of any of these things -- by the way, a evangelicals is highly politicized. just look at the timing of evangelical surveys. they all happen right before election season. ted states of america. and i think there's more nuance to the data. and i also think it's moving. you know, a lot -- the other thing that happens with all i think religious families, you grow up in a religious community. when you're younger, you go to college. you leave college. you get married. you while. when you have children you go back to the congregation. and my 7-year-old who i told you the story about, i believe

christiaty a my 7 yorld has a mizuzah on his door. he learns about israel. community in his sunday school class. there was a period of time in my career when i left the university and went to work in hollywood where we couldn't find a church. we were out of church for a little while. when we had a church and found a congregation we loved it's not just us teaching the faith, the i i think the numbers will change as they get older. we do'e so many questions. talk. i was curious, my experience with evangelicals has been uniformly povesiti in many sort of situations and the way you speak about it seems niform view in regards to israel. maybe other questions in the jewish people. but i was just curious, is that uniformity or consensus, is that sort of a bottom organic or could you give me a little insight into the -- is there some sort of organization where we as evangelicals are adopting certain positions and platforms and then that's what's being, you know, encouraged or taught or spread throughout the church?

reverend moore: what is interesting about evangelicals is that we're not like the catholic church, right? there are no bishop. there are some people that take the bishop. there is no hierarchy. bishop, archbishop. if you're an author, always say in this town everyone talks about evangelicals within a political context. i always say, most people make up their beliefs about someone based upon who they know. their neighbor. their experience. in my case as a young kid, my family went through a traumatic situation. my -- i had lots of doubt about my faith because of the situation. a church was involved in that situation. and yeah, when i got kicked out ause i couldn't pay the bill as a little kid and we're in poverty, i got put into this very violent

public school, my youth p once a week to have lunch with me. and that's how i formed my view about my faith. are going on. by the way, that's also the case in the middle east. you know, the -- one of my favorite sort of unknown parts of the peace between israel and the arab countries in recent years is two stories i like to tell. the first one is in april, 1978, when the camp david process had fallen apart between egypt and israel. and there was a delegation of evangelicals that met with anwar sadat and put a message. they put it on his airplane, sent them to jordan and hand delivered a note. and thesw, played a part in it. the other story i like to tell is the u.a.e. the first hospital in the u.a.e., the first one was started by two evangelicals.

a husband and a wife. they got in an all-terrain vehicle. in the desert they asked if they could start a hospital. and at the time a half a children and a third of mothers were dying at childbirth. and after that it changed entireen ziad, the foreign minister of the u.a.e. and the ambassador to the u.a.e. to the united states, they were all born in that hospital started by evangelic the world. but there is no hierarchy. so your best remedy, if your local evangelical church says something that makes you uncomfortable, intentionally or unintentionally, is go talk to them. and study the bible with them. most of our bible is your part of the bible. and they don't teach us really hebrew in our seminaries in the way they should. hebrew context of thsay it's an advantage and a disadvantage. there's no bishop that can make a single decision to change the cour

but that also means there is a certain that's a reason why we grow like wildfire including one of the fastest growing churches in the islamic area of iran. on april 14, they were praying for israel as some of those -- as some of those munitions werng in the sky toward israel. >> thank you, pastor, for your friendship and your support. and thank you, rabbi weinblatt for organizing this important conference. i'm with the american jewish , koebi barta is a very good friend of us. he is an israeli podcaster and academic who did his ph.d. thesis on the history of christian support of israel and i think worked very closely with you in gi know about your tremendous efforts in peace making and you've been to saudi arabia.were about to go to saudi arabia.

clearly something has changed there that's positive but they've been very disappointing since october 7 and so have the arab countries that ar supposedly at peace with isry condemned hamas. they are all at the forefront of condemning israel and i know all the excuses about their masses and so forth. buhere's going to be peace there needs to be peace. it has to be real and they shouldn't find excuses to say the wrong thing. the second parof t africa, you alluded to what's happening in nigeria, which is horrible, and you mentioned in a different context about 600 million evorld, a lot of them are in africa. and africa is a very important alliance for israel potentially. it started. but, again, there's a lot of cowardess, a lot of the africanid to publicly align with israel.

stinian-african solidarity. and they've been silent since october 7. there's diplomatic relations but at the u.n. they are all bashing israel. my question to you, both as far as the arab countries and as far as the african countrially, mobilizing evangelicals there on behalf of israel. question. i will answer it as succinctly as i can. i view it slightly differently. there's still peace with egypt. there's still with jordan.s have held. i don't like all the statements, lots and lots of statements i don't like. i have a very long-standing commitment to privately criticize and publicly praise with -- prays with my friends but ere are plenty of things i don't like at all. but i would say the fundamentals haven't changed.akes all of this much more difficult is u.s. policy. you know, the suez canal, 50% of the revenue egypt was getting from the suez canal is gone. iran is rich now.

it's trading hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of oil mainly to china. all different aspects of american policy that sometimes makes it much more difficult for our friends to do things that they want to and need to do. i had -- i will say -- i won't be specific but -- and there are several examples of condemning hamas i could point to but i had a quite lively conversation -- i am not going to say with who but quite lively conversation with a friend of mine, arab friend of mine in the region and i said to this person, i said, my views on hamas didn't come from my israeli they came from you. and yet, you know, the united states of ther it wants to be or whether it

believes itself still to be is still the sole superpower in the world militarily, economically there is no comparison. and we need in the aftermath of several events, you know, in recent months, l foreign po republican thing. anybody can make that -- anybody can make that change. but it's making it very, very difficult. d an expand and the terrorists will lose. i have zero doubt about that. and then, our corrupt international institutions nee to be fixed. you know, we created an -- entire infrastructure which only enables the bad guys and we can't be polite any longer. a good friend of mine -- i don't like the public light very much. i'm a -- i like to write and sit in my study. for fun in covid i got into a ph.d. program. i am almost done with my ph.d. i am actually an introvert. but a good friend of mine before d

he was an influential evangelical figure, globally influential. he said to me, he said, johnnie, if god blesses you with influence, you must use it or you'll lose it and it's the stewardship -- you have to be a good steward of your financial resources and other things. and i would say that to the united states of america. god has blessed us with more influence and more resources and more power and the pristine democracy, you know, that we inherited from people that are far smarter than anyone in politics here today, perhaps and we need to be a better because everything we want for israel and for the broader middle east is on the table for us if we just make the right decisions and those decisions are actually moral decisions. it's about clearly seeing right and wrong and not being scared of american power. understand a culture. age american and not speak another language and you can understand a culture. and i think wea lot of people in very powerful places in our government that think their education and their -- you

know, the ability to speak multiple languages make them an expert. and sometimes the bully rule applies, specifically applies with iran. you kny and make it much, much more difficult and, you know, never bribe them. it never works. thank you. >> this year c-span celebrates 45 years of covering congress like no other. having you and your evangelical community means so much to and that is why we call this