we haven't had inflation for such a long time as a political issue that we forgot about how dangerous it is. if there is unemployment in the country, maybe 10%, 15% of people are affected with it. maybe another 10% worry about it or know but inflation is different. everybody feels it. everybody feels it. it may not be existential for everybody, but it is an issue that everybody feels. that is why it is so dangerous politically. what i can tell from my own experience around the globe, it is everywhere as an issue. a lot of folks in southeast asia, it is the same thing. in europe, it is a big issue. it is really a global issue and actually, policy-wise there is

not all that much that can be done in the short run. politically, this is extremely dangerous. host: we have another question from x. big-money donors in the u.s. are extremely powerful. are donors allowed to contribute huge sums of money in other countries? guest: that's a great question. thank you. it varies across the globe. for example, in europe there is a european system were actually, with many differences, the european system is that parties get something from the government to run their campaigns. which i think has the advantage that of course, special interests have much less influx. so that is the european model. then of course there are other models around the globe that are much less regulated, sometimes in developing countries donations are done in cash.

there are differences in the u.s. one. host: ann is in new york on our line for republicans, good morning. what is your question? caller: yeah, how are you doing? i'd like to know what exactly has mr. trump lied about? every time i hear these democrats say he live this, he lied about this. host: mr. perron hasn't said that mr. trump has lied about anything. do you have a question specifically for him? caller: yes. what do you think mr. biden is going to do about the illegal aliens that are coming here and killing american citizens? the fentanyl that -- host: that didn't seem to be a question specifically for you, but it did reflect what we were talking about earlier in terms of the narrative around immigration.

guest: yes. strategically, i think from a biden perspective, you want to get the issue off the table. the easiest way to getting an issue off the table is to agree with your opponent. it is very counterintuitive because if a politician is vulnerable on a certain issue, but they are doing is trying to resist even more when the easiest is just do what the opponent wants you to do and move on to an issue where you are strong on. i wrote actually two pieces, one what biden should do, one of what trump would do. and i think with a strong analytical case. but for biden, absolutely. you don't want this election to be about immigration, take it off the table. i think that is what he is trying to do. host: you can find those articles on real clear politics.

the headline, how joe biden can win reelection and then similarly, how donald trump can beat joe biden. we have another question from dion who says let's stay relevant to our clear and present danger. how do we beat authoritarian political movements in a democratic republic? does money in politics make the transition to fascism a foregone conclusion? guest: money in politics of course helps and can be dangerous. that said, i do have faith in the institution of america and the u.s. i've worked in countries where voter fraud, intimidation is a real issue. i've actually worked with candidates where really you

would think one candidate would be winning and woke up behind. and it really felt like the second batch or reactions to the -- were sort of a reaction to the first batch. i really can feel how many republicans felt last time. but of course what i tell clients and candidates is cheating is a factor in your place, your country, and you have to factor in. you have to enter election day with a five-point lead, not a one point lead. i think good news, i've seen the u.s. is a very stable constitution. host: and the other question, how do we beat authoritarian political movements in a democratic republic? guest: well, by being engaged, by being involved by being courageous, i have encouraged to -- by having courage to stand up

and by going to the polls. i'm always impressed when people have demonstrations after the election. they just had an election. you had an opportunity to vote. the most important is participate and get out and vote. host: another question on x, the incumbent in great britain right now has now called for a snack -- snap election and he is most definitely not favored at the moment. does he still have a chance to win? can you give a little bit of a background on that particular election and talk about whether or not rishi sunak and his party still have a chance to win? guest: yes. so the tories were in power or have been in power since 2010. that is a long time. i think with every election, the sheer duration of incumbency is becoming an issue because people

after a while just want something new. sunak as a person is actually relatively new, and i think that is why he makes this gutsy move to call for an election now. i wouldn't bet my last dollar on him. i think he is in a very tough situation. in the book, while i write about how to beat an incumbent, there are two chapters on how to win reelection. one, how to win reelection easily, and then another chapter, how to launch a comeback when you are a vulnerable incumbent. and i think that is a chapter for rishi sunak most certainly. host: tony is in ohio on the line for democrats. good morning, what is your question? caller: just had a question. i personally get tired of hearing that hunter biden is treated differently or better

than, say, an average black person who had gun charges or drug charges. i get tired of hearing that over here in america, but i'm wondering how your guest feels about how that is taken over there in england or throughout europe. do they think it is ridiculous when they try to act like a -- like hunter is treated better than a poor person or a black person in america? i'll hang up so i can hear you. host: ok. guest: from our perspective, i think this whole hunter biden thing has never really caught fire, never really caught steam. and remember, it is not him, it is not hunter biden who is on the ballot. many parents have children who did things that maybe they are less proud of. it is not joe biden. another thing, though, ohio is a state that i actually watch a

very, very carefully, and i remember the times when democrats won, when barack obama and bill clinton, they were actually very competitive in ohio and worked very, very hard for ohio and now it seems to me that democrats have almost given up on ohio. your home state is one that i will be watching very carefully as this unfolds. host: thomas is in south dakota, line for independents. good morning thomas. caller: thank you very much. this is thomas. my major comment, i'm voting for robert f. kennedy, jr. for president because genocide has to be stopped and he is against all war and it is time for america to start that.

the military-industrial complex has gotten to the point where america is in trouble. and mr. kennedy will be able to work on issues to solve that. thank you very much. host: are there other candidates that kind of fit into the rfk gu -- rfk junior mold and other election globally that you've seen recently? guest: not in that circumstance. i think it is quite a unique setting. the whole election is quite unique where you have sort of two incumbents running against each other. as a consideration for the caller, while there is a lot of media attention on third-party candidates, the chances that they may end up in the oval office is just very, very slim. the chance that they affect the electoral vote and outcome of the election however, is really

real. host: rusty is in florida on the line for republicans. good morning, rusty. caller: do you think that joe biden is a threat to democracy on how his department of justice is acting? host: pretty direct question. guest: no, i don't think so. i don't think that he actually -- i mean, i think donald trump is the only way he can win reelection. so no, i don't think so. i also wrote a piece about this for real clear politics. i think the fact that donald trump is accused of so many things makes it much easier from a communication point of view to dismiss it as politically

motivated. one example i also write about in the book is in ukraine, that -- who used that strategy, that tactic very skillfully when he was becoming a leading competitor. of course, he became a target when he ran for president. and he was a comedian the first time he ever ran for office. and what he did when he started to face allegations and attacks is that he made the competition out of it. he asked his supporters on instagram to send in the most ridiculous accusations against him and then chose a winner. and of course, that allowed him to actually deal with all the attacks against him together, ridiculed them and sort of surround them in the noise of the competition and not answer them. it was a very brilliant move. i think the same dynamics actually helped trump.

host: speaking of accusations we have joseph in north carolina who says what do you think will happen to the united states if donald john trump really is an authoritarian dictator as president? guest: well, i try very hard not to tell my own personal convictions. while i am a very political person obviously, i really try in all my social media posts, on my blog, in interviews like this not to tell my personal opinions. but as i said before, i have faith in the u.s. constitution, i have faith in an extremely solid constitution which has inspired many other countries in the world. host: we will and it there for now. lewis perrone is the author of the new book "beat the

incumbent: proven strategies and tactics to win elections." thank you so much for joining us from switzerland. guest: thank you and i wish you an excellent day. host: thank you. announcer: once again, we are live at the washington hilton in washington, as we wait for the 2024 libertarian national convention to get back underway after the lunch break. that party working on selecting their 2024 presidential nominee. we have heard from several of the nominees but there are more speeches and more nominees to hear from after lunch. we will continue our live coverage right here on c-span. [background chatter]

>> welcome back, or questions for the remainder of this hour is, would you support a third-party candidate this election? that number for democrats is%.

republicans at (202) 748-8001. independents at (202) 748-8002. here are a portion of those comments. president biden: cadets, make no mistake. though it remains a hard world, can't draw any other conclusion. a powerful nation trying to coerce their nations. where terrorists attempt evil plots pair that is why i making historical investments in our military. for decades, america has have the most powerful military in the world. that happened because we choose to make it happen. i have always been willing to use force to protect our nation.

our allies, our core interests. when anyone targets american troops, we will deliver justice to them it happened earlier this year when freehold are -- three heroic members were killed, and a young -- in a drone attack in northeast jordan. a response, we launched airstrikes, and we will never forget to honor the memory of those warriors who gave their lives in the fight against terrorism. cadets, west point has made to you leaders of canada -- of character. in minutes, you will be united states army officers. in time, some of you will serve in powerful roles in headquarters, the pentagon, even the white house. to confront challenges the previous generation of soldiers could not imagine. when that happens, hold fast to your values. you learned here at west point

duty, honor, country, hold fast to your honor code. "we will not lie, steal, or cheat, or tolerate those who do." above all, hold fast to your oath. on your various -- your very first day at west point, you raise your right hands and took an oath. not to a political party, not to a president, but to the constitution of the united states of america. against all enemies, foreign and domestic. [applause] host: that was president biden delivering the commencement address yesterday at west point military academy in new york. back to her question, would you support a third-party candidate this election? we have a text message from brian in cleveland who says it is interesting how we claim to value our votes and concern about not wasting them on third-party candidates, yet 70% of americans will vote for a candidate that they don't want.

is that not wasting a vote? next up, we will hear from robert in silver spring, maryland on the line for republicans. would you support a third-party candidate? caller: i would not. i first just want to preface, i guess toward the end of what you would consider a younger voter, i am approaching 35. i am also an afro hispanic. i think the most important thing is to combat the lawlessness that the democrats have put into epic cities with their policies. -- put into our big cities with their policies. there's no reason to ever vote democrat again unless you enjoy crime, and their position on abortion is absolutely disgusting. i will be supporting trump. host: ok. denita is in baltimore on our line for democrats. what about you?

when you support a third-party candidate this election? caller: i like to think of it and i encourage everyone to think of america as a corporation and the presidency as a job interview for the ceo of that corporation. if you think of it that way, it doesn't matter what letter comes after their name. it is the most qualified person to run your company, who do you want representing your business to the world? and i think that donald trump is not that person. in any way, shape, or form. and i would just kind of like to piggyback on something that robert said, my fellow marylander. i've never, ever, ever heard a democrat say that abortion is ok up to birth. and this is a thing that just keeps getting regurgitated over and over again. i don't know anyone in their right mind that would support that.

no democrat i know has ever agreed to that or wanted that. so in the end, if donald trump is who you want representing your corporation to the world, it is not just about qualities and qualifications. also you have to decide what kind of image you want for us into the world. and the lack of self-control that donald trump shows cannot be good for this country or my corporation. so yes, i would vote for anyone that would represent my country in a way that i think would benefit us. thank you. host: texas, line for independents. good morning. and can you turn down the volume on your tv and then i will hear your comment. caller: ok. host: turn down the volume on

your tv and tell us, would you support a third -- a third-party candidate? caller: i will support donald trump because everybody talks about how bad he is, but he is not a criminal. biden has done a million times more. and they never question his behavior. host: it's a little bit hard to hear you because of the background on the tv so we will try to come back to you if we can. jose is in clearwater, florida on the line for democrats. what about you? would you support a third-party candidate? jose, are you there? caller: yes, i'm here, can you hear me? host: yes, we can. caller: my answer, no, i would not support a third-party candidate because on the democratic side, as much as people complain about biden and

his criminal history, i just heard a gentleman talk about democrats, making it easy for criminals. but yet they turn around and vote for the biggest criminal in the united states of america, donald j. trump. this guy has not only violated our constitutional rights, he is taking away people's civil rights. people seem to forget what he did during the pandemic. this guy was directing people to eat bleach at one point. i mean, who does this? this man doesn't have a third grade level reading level. i just can't understand how america could vote for someone who is going to be convicted or is a convicted felon, but yet you can't join the military in the united states of america or carry a gun here if you have been arrested or have a felony.

the hypocrisy in the united states is turned around. host: speaking of criticism of former president trump during the covid-19 pandemic, independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy, jr. when speaking at the libertarian national convention spoke about former president trump's handling of the pandemic. here is a portion of those remarks. mr. kennedy: the fifth amendment says that no one shall be deprived of life, liberty or property unless convicted of a crime. yet president trump shut down 3.3 million businesses. president trump so that he was -- said that he was going to run america like a business, and he came in and he gave the keys to all of our businesses to a fifty-year bureaucrat who had never been elected to anything and had no accountability. [applause] he closed down 3.3 million

businesses with no due process, no just compensation, in violation of the fit amendment. -- the fifth amendment. with the lockdowns, the mass mandates, the travel restrictions, president trump resided over the greatest restriction on individual liberties this country has ever known. [applause] he didn't stand up for the constitution when it really mattered. host: another comment on our question of would you support a third-party candidate this election comes via text from steve in massachusetts, who says, i wish they had third-party candidates for all house and senate positions. that is how we would get rid of the clog in government. nate is in las vegas on the line for republicans. would you support a third-party candidate? caller: not a chance. because of the fact that we've

been in a two-party system, and a third-party candidate, sure, they are going to peel off votes but they are not going to win any electoral votes. it is just going to make the whole process a weaker process. i can't believe some of your callers, especially that last caller. people talking about the bleach business and all that. donald trump is the greatest president we've ever had, period. and it is only because he's got the media, the democrats, people who really don't pay attention. identity politics ever since obama energized the african-american vote. it is the black man who is in control right now of this next election. and the democrats are so afraid

of this man that they are trying to make him some kind of criminal or something. he hasn't committed any crime. he's just a man. donald trump is acting like a man. and they can't stand it because they know that everything they've thrown at him -- and i don't know if kennedy would help trump or her trump. -- or hurt trump. i think kennedy is going to find a place in the trump administration, i really do. when all is said and done. i think they are going to put him in charge of some sort of domestic policy or something, but i think you will find a -- but i think he will find a place. and i'm not sure is completely going to run yet. trump has to pick a democrat for his vice president, because he's got to show that there are democrats out there that aren't these people, these left-wing nuts, is the only word i can use to describe them. host: ok, let's try to not

attack too many folks. kenneth is in indiana on our line for independents. caller: good morning. in regards to your question about third-party candidates, i just want to remind you that john adams is often attributed with saying that the division of the republican two great parties is to be the greatest political people. you've got founding fathers who spoke against the formation of two parties. george washington's address predicts and warns against many of the poor outcomes that we see today. more and more political party leaders of both major parties become more and more entrenched. recent polls suggest nearly 70% of americans in some way or another are disenfranchised and dissatisfied with the two major political parties. congress, most recently march of this year has a 15% approval rating and a 92% reelection rate.

for those callers that have called in and viewers and people that i meet every day on the street that say third-party candidates steal votes, no, third-party candidates earned votes. they earn hearts and minds by speaking directly to individuals on local, statewide and national races. that is all i want to say so thank you for having me on this morning. host: thomas is in portland, indiana on our line for republicans, good morning. caller: good morning. \i'd just like to say that it kind of gets old that you people put on just a viewpoint of democrats and you cut off any other viewpoint that you have, and it just seems that -- look, see, you cut -- ok.

host: you are still there, thomas. thomas, would you support a third-party candidate this election? caller: absolutely not. host: why is that? caller: because for one thing, a third-party candidate, most of them are just fakes. they have no platform. they use, what would you say, they have viewpoints that don't even make any sense. host: ok. thanks for your call, thomas. next up is leslie in ponca city, oklahoma. on our line for democrats. would you support a third-party candidate? caller: no i wouldn't. host: why is that? caller: first of all, i would support donald trump because -- i wouldn't support donald trump because of the character of the

man. and also, i look at how many people you see with epstein who has three different wives, it is called adultery. i've looked at remain in mexico policy during the that helped -- during the covid that helped donald trump reduce that and how many of those people waited in mexico to cross into america. i look at the tariffs -- >> one minute warning. please find your seats. i see a lot of people filing in. i know the room is crowded. please find your seats as quickly as you can. we have three speeches to get through. we are going to go to a vote. i am going to see if our gracious host hotel can get coffee in the room, and like an

hour or so. [applause] we will give them a little time. i would love to get some coffee. we are going to see if we can get hotel staff to work on that. i'm not going to force you to do anything with business. but i am willing to stay here until 7:00 p.m. maybe we should do a vibe check at 7:00. we have a fundraiser and gala planned for this evening. we can push it until 8:00 p.m., and i don't think that would be too crazy. but, be on that, we need to talk to the hotel about food, everything else set aside. let's intend on pushing past 5:00 p.m. we are going to have a couple of speakers while our tellers are counting ballots.

after we move through that, we may want to consider nomination speeches, if there is additional rounds of balloting. we have a memorial to do. that will be done while tellers are counting. we have awards that will be done while tellers are counting. we have special sunday keynote speaker ron paul. that will be done. he will speak while our gracious hard-working tellers are counted. before i call us back to order, while you are all quickly finding your seats, finding your seats, getting us ready, i want to thank our tellers, i want to thank our volunteers, i want to thank our sergeant at arms and people who volunteered insecurity. you guys have worked very hard. i see it. our team and convention committee who is dog tired. you guys have done an incredible job. . this is an amazing convention.

and if you have items at the lost and found, they are available at the concierge. so you can go to concert, but don't you dare do that right now. what time is it? it is 1:33 p.m.? we are back in order. >> madam chair, microphone four. angela: microphone four. >> peter everett, massachusetts delegate. it has come to my attention that there are some delegation chairs who are not allowing poll watchers to supervise accounting of the ballots. i move that no votes be counted from any delegation whose chair of the delegation member to supervise accounting of the ballots. [applause] angela: ok.

does that have a second? are there any delegation chairs who would like to speak to this? all right. please go ahead. >> microphone two. microphone two. i was delegation chair from 2010 to 2015. i could not do anything from 2010 22015 without the hard work of my entire team. and i know my current chair is doing the same. so i have implicit faith in our state chairs and delegation chairs, and i do not believe we need to hand tie them. [applause] >> adam chair microphone four. angela: microphone two. >> madam chair, i move the previous question. >> second. angela: ok.

microphone four. did you say something? we want to move along. >> i move the previous question. angela: ok. i believe this is technically a convention special rule of order and it worked wires two thirds. -- and it requires two thirds. you're talking about how to proceed with convention business. are you ready to vote? ok. here is the vote. delegation chairs have to let you what -- let them count the votes. would you like to restate your motion very quickly and clearly since we don't have it up on the screen yet? >> that is a pretty good summary. the exact motion is, i move that no delegation -- no votes be counted from any delegation whose chair does not omit other

-- not permit other delegates from counting of the vote. angela: thank you. does everyone understand what we are voting on? we are ready to go to a standing vote. >> previous question. angela: two thirds. all in favor, please stand. if you want to make sure that the delegation chairs allow you to watch them count of votes, stand up. it requires two thirds. convention special rule of order. going once, going twice. please be seated. be seated. all of those opposed, please rise. all right the motion failed.

it does not have two thirds. we are going to proceed to nominations, so help us. the person who is speaking for nota from wisconsin, please come to the stage. i want the floor mike cut please. we are in nominations, so we do not want to be rude or disrespectful to our hard-working candidates. >> madam chair, how long does nota have to speak? [applause] >> none of the above, robert burke.

welcome, everyone. my name is none of the above, close friend, really intimate people who know me call me nota. and they do that because they know and understand the importance of always just saying no. in colorado springs, colorado, in 1971, a group of people got together and had a vision of a future, an incredible future of a world set free in our lifetime. is that our goal? is that our goal? [applause] act like it is! because a future set free is our future. i have seen it. i woke up one day, i said, that is brilliant. how do we get there? and we get there by understanding the importance of the individual freedom of every sovereign person in the world.

in that world of freedom, we don't vote to find out how we care for our neighbors. we tear down the system that enslaves them. we tear down the system that gives them an illusion of choice. in that future, we don't vote. to incorporate -- to incarcerate the mentally ill. in that world, we are free to use psychedelic science to free our minds. [applause] in that world, we don't both -- we don't vote for a national defense. we have torn down the machines that export death. in that world, we don't legalize drugs, we tear down the machine that is incarcerating half of the african-american male men in milwaukee of -- at one point in

their life. we do it because it is right. not because we voted for it. in that world, we do not vote to free julian assange. we do not vote in order to free russ albrecht and we do not vote to bring home edward snowden, we tear down the machine that designs to incarcerate the sun light truth. [applause] i know we are going to nominate a kick asked candidate today. yes! and i hope that kick ass candidate is one who explains to the world what it is to have a vision of a world set free, a world where the individual choice is the only vote that you get. the choice of what you do next. when someone in that future world says, would you like to vote? none of the above, thank you.

i will make the decision myself. [applause] thank you. [applause] angela: thank you, nota, for that very short speech. [applause] thank you, av teen, for resetting our timeclock so quickly. our next nomination is dr. michael -- dr. michael wrecked and walt. -- dr. michael rectenwald. [applause] ♪ >> when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political van which has connected them with another, a decent respect the opinions of

mankind requires that they should declare the possible, which compels them to the separation. we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain -- -- with their certain unalienable rights. among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. that whenever any form of government comes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. the history of the present regime is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations. all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. here is a partial list of our grievances. they locked us down. they declared us unessential. they wrecked the economy and

ruined lives. they censor and feed us nonstop propaganda. they are robbing us to fund an armed ukraine, leading to the total nuclear war with russia. they rob us to fund an arm israel in its genocide of campaign in the gaza strip. they are inflaming tensions in the middle east again, and they are just getting started. they have told us of their plans. they have a war with china. they are expanding their censorship. they have climate change lockdowns p they want us to eat hugs. -- eat bugs. they expect us to own nothing and be happy. they mean to control every aspect of our lives and to make us miserable slaves. if allowed, they will take away our rights and our humanity.

do all these wrongs come up -- to all of these wrongs, aspects, and plans, we say, hello no! we are not going to take it anymore. i call on all of those to run with me, to seize power from the class, the state, and its accomplices. and to invest power in the people at the local level. i am michael rectenwald, and i am running for president of the united states as a libertarian. join me to rock the regime. it's time! ♪ [applause]

>> hello, i am from new york state. speeches in public speaking are not my thing. my journey into libertarianism -- [indiscernible] good afternoon. that was something in the early 2000's. there was no turning back. about four years ago, i became involved in the party. my life took an unexpected turn.

i was diagnosed with cancer, and subsequently retired. now i find myself juggling two jobs. battling cancer and advocating for freedom. [applause] the great opportunity to sit with dr. michael rectenwald, we spoke for over an hour. it became evident he wholeheartedly embraced a philosophy i have always held dear. he understands human behavior, the economy, and trade has been a real interest to me.

dr. rectenwald eloquently explained why our southern border crisis was an economic crisis. i was astounded, his logic was irrefutable and his passion told me he was a candidate i could stand behind. let's address the elephant in the room, my battle with stage iv cancer. it is not an opportunity anyone would willingly choose, but it has given me clarity, having no ulterior motives or agendas, material gain does not drive me. instead, i am fueled by the chance to contribute to something profoundly meaningful. so with honor and pride, i nominate dr. michael rectenwald to be the next president of the united states of america!

[applause] to my fellow party members, the path forward is clear. thank you. [applause] dr. rectenwald: hey, what's up, libertarians? how are we? [applause] all right. i want to say first, kind of an aside from this endorsement, i launched -- i watched the presidential debate here last night. i just want to say how awesome i think it is that every single one of the candidates was so good on the issue of war and peace.

and of course, particularly, i am referring to rejecting the proxy wars of choice in ukraine and israel. every single one of our candidates was excellent on that issue. it is the most important issue of our time. [applause] it really reflect something that has changed in this party since i have been a member of it, and that is not something that is the responsibility of one faction or another, or one caucus or another. in fact, some of the factions who really don't get along all agree when it comes to that issue, and it represents a change in this party. [applause] i am not saying that there were not always lots of antiwar people in the party, i'm just making the point, bill welding ain't getting nominated for anything these days. [applause] that is because everyone agrees

on that. just about. so i am very glad that that has been rejected. it really means a lot to me. i think it is a tremendous improvement. i would also say, i woke up this morning to the coolest thing that has ever happened in the history of the libertarian party. and, if i'm being completely honest, as donald trump was speaking last night, if i had control of how everybody acted, my plan was kind of like, be respectful until he says something. like, don't go before he gets to the mic and wait until he says something really bad, which he will, and then boo that. i got to say, it worked out pretty good. i woke up this morning to reports in the new york times, the washington post, reuters, the associated press, abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, and the bbc, and they all said different versions of

the exact same title. "donald trump tries to appeal to libertarians and they hate his -- guts." [applause] and i think that is pretty cool. ok. i have to say this quickly. i had this moment, i got to speak a little bit for a few minutes before donald trump. and there were a bunch of people who were trump supporters in the room who were not libertarians. i tried to do what i always try to do when there are people who are not libertarians in the room, i try to say the most hard-core libertarian thing that might in them over. i don't care about winning you guys over because you guys are already good on everything. then, i want to win over. i saw on social media somebody who was here at the convention posted one of these donald trump supporters just washed my speech and said, i like what that guy has to say. but i got to google the federal

reserve. what is that? [laughter] [applause] it reminded me of something that i think we all have to keep in mind all the time. so many people just don't know yet. and it is our job to teach them. that is the job that we have. [applause] there is a false dichotomy in this party where people often argue about whether our job is too edged -- is to educate people or to get elected. but those things are not in conflict. we will only ever win once we have educated people. obviously they don't know yet. [applause] there is not enough of us. and so from my perspective, if we can't win until we educate more people, the number one job for a presidential candidate is who can teach people what it is that we stand for, and in this race, there is absolutely no

question that the best teacher of libertarianism is michael rectenwald. [applause] in my humble opinion, the two best messengers of liberty in modern american history were dr. ron paul and harry brown. [applause] when harry brown was a presidential candidate, this party was at the strongest it has ever been, even though probably -- following candidates got many more votes than him. because he was so good at messaging libertarianism. of course, as you all know, ron paul, not in this party, but he led the ron paul revolution. [applause] the reason why these guys were so effective at what they did, for me, comes down to two

things. they never forgot about that lady who was googling the federal reserve. and they never forgot that their job was to teach people what it is that we stood for. and second, they knew everything about the crises that our country was facing at that time. ron paul still knows everything about the crises that our country is facing. i can't wait to listen to him speak at the libertarian party for the first time in 20 years, in just a few moments. [applause] michael rectenwald has written multiple books about the crises that are facing the american people today. he knows libertarian theory inside and out, and has a more detailed understanding of things like the woke agenda, the climate agenda, davo's of the true threats to liberty in our lifetime.

please, i am for guys to support michael rectenwald for president of the united states of america. i am a -- on the libertarian party ticket. thank you all so much. i have had a great time this weekend, i hope you have too. i love you guys. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. hello, my fellow libertarians. i am michael rectenwald. [applause] i have a confession to make. i am high. on liberty! [applause] i want to thank michael and dave, and i want to thank all of you for being here. and i am running not to reform the state, i am running to

dismantle it. i call for an end to the federal reserve, the military-industrial complex, the cia, the nsa spying, and the crushing regulatory regime. and i call for the fertile -- the full restoration of all of our rights. and as dave mentioned, i understand the new threats to liberty. the censorship industrial complex. the climate change tyranny. agenda 2030. central digital currency. and all of the elite plans to destroy freedom. [applause] and i have the strategy to combat these threats. decentralization and nullification, a movement we will build together when you nominate me. [applause] why should you nominate me?

i have paid a dear price for being a libertarian. i have been canceled by the authoritarian left, and the neocon right. and in the process, i became very well known in the broader media sphere. and i have, you know, i have appeared on dozens of shows, major media. i will not list them all. but, notice that after trump spoke last night, who was the candidate who was quoted in the media? me. [applause] that is because i have been fighting a battle for liberty, and i have name recognition thanks to that battle. and i want to put my name recognition and my battle worthiness to work for the libertarian party, and for the

cause of liberty! [applause] i hate the state because i love people. i hate the state because i love humanity. that is why i hate the state and want to bring it down. thank you. [applause] now, what i'm asking for you to do is to nominate me so that i can be a beacon for liberty. a firebrand for liberty. we need old messaging and a old messenger -- bold messenger. i have the boldest message, i have the longest track record in truth telling, and as i've said, the greatest name recognition beyond the libertarian greateste recognition beyond the libertarian party, which i want

to put to use to spread liberty and grow this party from the ground up. [applause] i call on those who demand dangerous liberty over safety running -- safe tyranny to nominate and run with me. together, we will wreck the regime. thank you. [applause] >> thank you guys. and thank you for saving us a couple minutes. we have one more presidential

nominating speech. i would like to invite dr. jacob hornberger. [applause] >> when i announced my candidacy in february of last year, i have ever since emphasized an important point. it is our job in this party to lead america to freedom. that is our job. if we don't do that, who will? biden, trump, kennedy? don't make me laugh. these are the people and their political ilk and their parties who have destroyed our freedom, who enslave us, tax sets

regulators, torturous, and even kill us. and make us serve on their welfare workers plantation where we exist to serve them. when i attended my first state convention last fall, i a political point. i told the delegates at that convention that we already know the results of the presidential election in november one year away. 1%. and the reason i sent that is because the poles had us at 1%. the contention was in voter sentiment to the libertarian party presidential candidate has not improved over three years, it will not improve over the next year. and here we are six months later. a lot of people now are saying jacob was right, because it is worse. we are now at 0% to 1%. one poll literally had us at 0%,

lp presidential candidate. since last fall, i have attended around 30 conventions, and that every one of these conventions, i have made a qualifier on this 1% business. i participated in a lot of debates this campaign season. as many of you know. i did not participate in yesterday's debate as you also know. because i believe this is the wrong way to elect and nominate a presidential candidate, and i said i will not participate in it. [applause] but those of you who know me know that i have long held the debate in the worst possible way to select a presidential candidate. ok? ok. donald trump is the topic of compensation at this convention to let me bring him up. he did not go to one debate that

she did not participate in one debate. his party's and we will make him our standardbearer because he can best reflect our state of use including immigration control because i contend every political party are be nominating a candidate who is best able to express the views of that party and garner votes. much more than the 0% to 1%. i have a confession to make to everyone in this room. it is a confession i made to all of those 30 state conventions. i am with the 99%. i am with the 99% who reject the message this party has been putting out for 20 years. it is not a message of freedom. and so it does not surprise me at all that 99% of the

electorate give us 0% to 1%, because i am with them. i'm going to explain it to you. if you take, for example, the crown jewels of american socialism, social security and medicare, have you seen any talks on those? unfunded liabilities of $80 trillion but nobody talks about it because they become accepted parts. socialism of our presidential campaigns. at the permanent part, south carolina libertarian party debate, i think we need to repeal socialism. my opponents went after me with great loudness. jacob, you have no care and compassion. we have to continue socialism for the next 25 years. people will be dying in the streets. pure nonsense. care and compassion does not come from the internal revenue service or the initiation of force.

care and compassion comes from the voluntary willing hearted individuals, children and grandchildren honoring mother and father on a purely voluntary basis. it is incumbent on those of us in this party to lead america to the restoration of faith in freedom and voluntary tyranny. americans live without socialism and social security for 125 years. and people were free to acutely on the minute amount of wealth, no income tax, no central bank. there was the greatest outburst of voluntary charity that mankind has ever seen. medicare and medicaid. have you seen any talks about medicare and medicaid this convention? no, because they have become permanent parts of our presidential campaigns. these socialist programs destroy the finest health care system in history. when i was a kid before they came into existence health-care

costs were low. they were stable. nobody had medicare insurance -- medical insurance. they were not needed. it was like going to the grocery store. doctors provided free health care to the poor. that is genuine charity. then medicare and medicaid come into existence, health-care costs started touring, and that is the cause of the health care crisis. there is only one solution. it is a solution you have not heard during this entire convention. you have to pull the weed out by its root or excise this cancer out completely. but at the louisiana state convention, at the debate there when i brought this up, my opponent said that is a bad solution because they believe medicare and medicaid need to continue as part of the presidential message of this party. that is your 0% to 1%. it was going to vote for that message? for a party that calls itself anti-socialist and the party of principal. who is going to vote for them? every proponent of the socialist

programs will vote for biden and trump. they will never waste their votes on a candidate that advocates for anti-socialism. taking over the public schools. we have to run for school board, take over the public schools. school vouchers have become a main position of our presidential campaigns. they are nothing but a socialist vehicle that takes money from one group of people through the initiation of force in violation of our core principles, the nonaggression principles, in violation of the pledge we hear very -- we don't hear very much about anymore, and give it to the people. in the process, private schools are put under government control. when you are trying to take over a government school system, this is a massive socialist program at the state level and local level. that is what libertarianism has come to? we are going to use the presidential campaign to try to take over socialism so we can show democrats and republicans

that we can run this program better than others? who will run for -- who will vote for this message? who will vote for it? i will tell you. 0% to 1% because there is no constituency for this message. and then there is immigration controls. they are based on the socialist principle of central planning. ok. and that's -- a prominent name at this convention calls this planned chaos. and that is what we have had for 80 years on the border along with death, suffering, kidnapping, rapes, detention centers, penitentiaries, deportations, berlin wall. designed to cut people up, a massive police state with highway checkpoints and warrantless searches. and yet what do we hear from libertarians? oh, jacob, it is terrible this is happening at the system. we can reform it.

yes, we can streamline it, simplify it. we can make it work. i have heard this for 30 years. actually i heard it my whole life, that there is some reform out there. there is no reform. there is no reform that can fix socialism. there is only one solution to the immigration mirage, and that is open borders. there is none other. [applause] now, every single proponent, remembers 0% to 1%, everything the proponent will vote for -- every single proponent will vote for donald trump. they will never waste their vote on an lp presidential candidate. at every convention i spoke at, i said there is a condition here. there is a condition. we don't have to settle for 0% to 1%. there is a way out. there is a breakout we can achieve 10% to 15% of the

national vote, but there is a price to be paid for that. and that is the restoration of our founding principles of this party. and this is what i'm talking about. i have said this at every state convention. making the confident case for open borders. the separation of education in the state, health care in the state, charity in the state, economy and the state, and money in the state. 's mental the national security state entirely. you hear about dismantling the nsa and cia but not the pentagon and the pentagon is the root cause of the forever wars. it is not enough to say i am antiwar and pro pentagon because the pentagon is the root cause of the forever war. and then you legalize all drugs, not just marijuana. and you make the case, you make the case for

the immediate dismantling of all social programs. i am asking you to think out-of-the-box and move in a completely different direction than you are accustomed to doing in this party. 0% to 1%, you will be there in november. you have nothing to lose. i am saying change your target audience in this campaign. forget republicans. republicans will never vote for a libertarian. even the ron paul republicans are not going to vote for republicans. libertarians will vote for republicans, but not vice versa. change the target audience. target audience number one, migrant families, hispanics. we can garner 20% of that by going down to the border and making the competent case, the moral case, the religious case for open borders. that is what i want to do as your nominee. i don't want to go to places to get local libertarians elected and meet and greets and all of that. i want to mix it up with real

people, go on the road with my video series, and talk to real people and give them a voice. people who have lost their land with the immigration wall, the berlin wall, people who lost family members drowning in the rio grande or in the back of an 18 wheeler. i want to give people a voice and make the case for an open border. 34 million hispanics that are horrified by what is going on at the border and have been for 80 years but they don't other is an alternative because no libertarian party presidential has dared to make the case for open borders. how do you expect people to adopt an idea if you don't make the case for that idea. ? i am convinced they will leap at it. there is an old saying. nobody cares what you know. until they know you car. you can give the position on the business cycle or the socialist calculation debate but nobody cares until they know you

care. we have to go to the border, and we have to let people know we care about what the state has done to you. and they will come with us. 20% in 6 million votes right there. i am asking you to think out-of-the-box. outside the box. do something completely different this time around. second group, target black voters. these are our voters. and the press is reporting black support for biden is disintegrating. we go to them with the drug war. we have 52 years of opposing the most recent government program, segregation -- racist government program, segregation. i ran this guerrilla campaign in the state of virginia. i ran against john warner, one of the most popular senators in the history of our state, chairman of the armed services committee. i knew i would not get one republican vote. this was right after 9/11.

i would say it and ron paul would say it eight years later. i don't care, i don't target republican votes. the democrats were not running any people i knew they would not vote for me as president because i am calling for a repeal of their favorite socialist programs, medicare, medicaid, public schooling, and the like. but i campaigned heavily in the black community and hispanic community. i said to the hispanics, tell your friend there is a candidate calling for open borders. one of the biggest honors of my life was i met with a black minister in alexandria right here in virginia. the baptist church. he later got elected to the african-american hall of fame. i said pastor peterson, this is where i stand. open borders. what we are doing to people violate god's sacred commitment, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. we talk about muhammad ali, martin luther king. and at the end of the conversation, he said, mr. hornberger, i will endorse your

candidacy. he said come i want you to take this written letter of endorsement. and i did. i have some detractors in the libertarian party. they were mocking and ridiculing me saying jacob would get zero and 1% because he is coming for the repeal of social security and medicare and social public schooling and we would vote for that. i got 7% of the statewide vote. when i am telling you is we can do it again double. i can double that by changing the target audience and changing the message to one of principle libertarianism. 50% of people know about. those are our voters. they know there is not a dime's worth of difference between democrats and republicans but they will never take the time to register and vote for him libertarian party presidential can call in for monetary reform, social security

reform, education reform. because they don't want reformers. they want to hear that principal message of the potomac and is and they will come and that of libertarianism, and they will come for us -- they want to hear that principal message of the libertarianism, and they will come vote for us. we are libertarians. we are advocates of liberty. and we need to go into this battle with our principles. these are our swords and shields that we take into battle. and it would be a tremendous honor to lead you into this battle as you presidential nominee. thank you very much. [applause] >> madam chair, microphone four. >> madam chair, microphone two. chair mcardle: thank you, mr. hornberger. i believe i heard from microphone four first. >> yes, dear lewis of illinois.

chair mcardle: thank you. >> i have extra announcement. this pronouncement to my dear friend from indiana has withdrawn from the at large race. thank you everybody for signing the petition. also come a point of information, during the tallying of the votes, will we be doing the nominations and speeches for vice chairperson? chair mcardle: we are not there yet. thank you for asking. microphone two. >> from texas. madam chair, i move that we proceed to nominations for vice chair followed by nominating speeches during the tabulation of votes. chair mcardle: can we please get our secretary back on the screen for a moment so people can see the motions? ok.

could you please repeat your motion? >> certainly. my name is arthur from texas. i move that during the tabulation of votes, we proceed to nominations of vice chair followed by nominating speeches. chair mcardle: thank you. do we have a second? oh, i see. i'm sorry. i see that. i will make sure it is corrected. >> madam chair, microphone three. >> madam chair, microphone three, request for your permission. chair mcardle: i need you guys to be quiet because i am asking

the parliamentarian something. the sooner i can ask him, the faster we can move. alright, this is a majority vote. i was checking to see if this was two thirds or majority. who was at the microphone trying to address me? >> microphone three. chair mcardle: microphone three, thank you. >> nathan from arizona. chair mcardle: thank you. >> request for information. what is the current cap on the time of business today? chair mcardle: we necessarily have a cap on time for business.

i am recommending we go to 7:00 p.m. and i am getting coffee in the room. it is up to you how late we go. we have a gala. we can start at 7:30 or 8:00. there has been quite a bit of work that went into that. >> manager, microphone two -- madam chair, microphone two. i moved to vote. chair mcardle: during the first round of votes, we proceed with nominations for vice chair of the lnc, not vp, lnc, followed by nomination speeches. all those in favor, please say aye. all those opposed? the ayes have it. we are doing it.

now let me explain how this is going to go. we are not going to start this until every vote has been turned in to the tellers, or else it will be a disaster. so i need you to vote just like you with the rest of the time. you will coordinate with your state chairs. tellers will come by. they will check in with your state chairs. once the tellers have everything, i will let you know it is time to go. >> madam chair, microphone one. hannah goodman, colorado. i need a point of order. i want to suspend all delegates of my delegation. chair mcardle: wait, i am so sorry. i could not hear ms. goodman. >> i know. my voice is what it is anyway. i need to suspend the rules to add a delegate to my delegation. chair mcardle: she is moving to suspend the rules to add a delegate to her delegation. it has been moved and seconded.

it requires two thirds. it is not debatable. all in favor say aye. all opposed. one more time, all in favor say aye. all opposed. it does not pass. my apologies. that is not going to pass. here we go. moving on. >> never mind. chair mcardle: no, ok, we are done. that is ok. >> madam chair, number two. chair mcardle: are we ready to go for a vote? >> request for information on number two, madam chair. chair mcardle: speak up, please. >> request for information on number two. from new york. what is the time limit for the vice chair speeches? chair mcardle: it is in the bylaws. would somebody like to check with the bylaws essay on the vice chair nomination speeches? >> five minutes. chair mcardle: five minutes.

>> thank you. chair mcardle: is someone going to do something about that? all right. we need to start counting votes. all right. ok. microphone three. microphone three is not on. tellers, are you getting ready? let's go ahead and get our tellers ready. >> point of privilege. chair mcardle: yes? >> i would like all of our 2024 candidates like myself that are going for elected office to please stand and be recognized by the delegations for the sacrifice they are making and their dedication to advancing liberty in their local communities. stand if you are running. chair mcardle: point of order. go ahead and stand. [applause]

>> madam chair, microphone four. chair mcardle: coming with the balance. beautiful state chairs are on their way. microphone four. >> orders of the day, please. chair mcardle: yes, thank you, fantastic. we are on orders of the day. i believe state chairs are passing out ballots. we are balloting. we are not doing any more points of order and things of that nature. we are balloting right now.

>> rhode island and vermont, please come get your ballot packages, please. >> as a reminder to everybody,

please be sure you have your delegate pin if you would like to vote. you should not be voting if you do not have a delegate pin.

>> vermont and rhode island, please come get your ballot packets. we are waiting on you.

>> excuse me. in order to give all of the candidates names on the screen, which i think it is most important to see your names, i am going to repeat the instructions for your card. it helps the teller if you write at the top of your card presidential round one and the initials of your state and then the one you are voting for. this is a vote for only one race.

>> vermont.

is vermont in the room? is there anybody from vermont? you have not picked up your ballots. could you please check with the tellers and grab your ballots if you are here. otherwise, zeros will be entered .

>> everyone, we are getting

close to having all the ballots turned in, so please, let's shift gears. we are going to do vice chair nominations soon.

>> everyone, please come to your chairs. everyone, please find your seats, with hold your voices -- withhold your voices, get back to business mode. vice chair candidates, people who are nominating vice chair's, i want people to start finding their ways to the microphone. announcements are not points of order. im working on getting coffee here -- i am working on getting coffee here. random questions are not

privileged motions. it is my great privilege to inform you if you are at a microphone, it should be related to party business. we are very short on time today. some of you are having incredibly fascinating conversations, and they can wait . do you want to elect a vice chair? beautiful. nominations for vice chair are in order right now. someone please speak up at a microphone. >> hello? chair mcardle: hi. >> i would like to nominate hannah goodman for vice chair of the lnc. michael vance from colorado. i would like to nominate hannah goodman for vice chair of the libertarian national committee. chair mcardle: lovely. thank you so much. >> madam chair, microphone two. chair mcardle: microphone two.

>> i am west benedict, a delegate from texas. i am very happy to nominate mark rutherford of indiana for vice chair. mark rutherford has been chairman of the libertarian party of indiana and an expert activist of one of the most successful states in the nation. and i am happy to nominate him. again, mike rutherford for vice chair. chair mcardle: mr. rutherford accepts the nomination? >> i accept the nomination, madam chair. chair mcardle: thank you very much. i see another person at microphone two. >> hi. laura, delegate from florida. i would like to nominate my husband, josh, for the vice chair of the lnc. chair mcardle: thank you very much. josh, i am looking for you. do you accept the nominations?

there you are, thank you. beautiful. i see a couple more people at microphones. any other nominations for vice chair? going once, going twice. hearing none. i am about to -- >> madam chair, microphone four. i move that nominations be closed. chair mcardle: thank you very much. so moved and seconded, closed are the nominations. any objections? going once. going towards. hearing no objections, nominations for vice chair are closed. the person who nominated hannah goodman, will you come to the front and give us your name? >> madam chair, microphone three. chair mcardle: microphone three. >> nathan madden, arizona. chair mcardle: thank you. >> i would like to move that the nomination speeches for vice chair be limited to two minutes.

chair mcardle: all right. and has been moved and seconded. nominations for vice chair, their speeches be shortened to two minutes. are there any objections to shortening for two minutes? ok, i heard a couple objections. >> madam chairman, point of order. chair mcardle: ok, we are in the middle of a vote. >> this will require a suspension of the rules. chair mcardle: i am getting there. thank you so much. now i think we are going to do a voice vote on this and i would like to hear two thirds of you if you would like to pass it. if you don't, we will figure it out. we'll figure it out. this is a suspension of the rules to limit the vice chair's nomination speech to two minutes. those of you that want to shorten the speech to two minutes at this point, please say aye. >> aye! >> those of you opposed, please say nay.

>> nay! >> all right, i will do a standing vote. all in favor of shortening it to two minutes, i want you to stand up. give me just a moment. if you wanted to-minute speech, stand up. we are going to figure out if it is two thirds of you. oh, thank you. so much easier to see. thank you. these take a seat. although supposed, you don't -- all those opposed, you don't want it shortened to two minutes, stand up. ok, the motion passes. it is going to be two minutes. thank you guys. >> madam chair, microphone one?

>> microphone one. >> i'm from colorado and i'm the one who nominated hannah goodman. >> thank you. ok. we are going to proceeded to nomination speeches. i'd like our candidates for vice chair to come to the front, along with anyone else who is going to give a nominating speech or speak for them. we need ms. hannah goodman upfront. we need josh upfront. if anyone is going to speak with you, bring them up. i believe we're going to do a role to decide the order. here comes josh, here comes hannah. we are going to stand at ease for one minute while i figure this out. when they get ready, everyone is going to be quiet.

ok, everyone, come back to order. our tellers are tempting

votes.-- counting votes. while they are counting votes, everyone lower their voices and sit down. we are about to have nomination speeches for -- our future vice chair is about to talk. all three candidates, got it? paying attention? please stop talking. all right, guys, i'd like to welcome ms. hannah goodman to the stage. thank you. [applause] >> good afternoon, everyone. i am the libertarian mayor of keansburg, colorado. [applause] i am very proud to have won and set an example for our state and across the country, and i'm so happy to introduce hannah goodman. [applause]

>> i'm hannah goodman. i'm the current chairwoman of the libertarian party of colorado. i served. the as vice chair--i served previously as vice chair. you might remember the infamous colorado gop deal. i know it was wildly unpopular and is communicated by many, intentionally or unintentionally. but if you look at what i've done for colorado as far as putting candidates forward in the political landscape of colorado, we have all of the eyes and ears of the press on every candidate running on this ballot. we are running 47 candidates, myself included. i will be on two ballots. i'm running for u.s. congress. [applause] i'm running to replace ken buck in the special election and i'm

running to replace lauren boebert -- i'm running to face lauren boebert, who i ran out of her district. [applause] i was born and bred on politics i come from a political dynasty, not of republicans, but democrats. so eat that. that is where i learned how to play, and that is why i play so well. what i can do for the libertarian party on the national level is i can bring my critical thinking, my out-of-the-box thinking, all of my expertise at creating and running teams in order to make an effective political machine that will end the state! [applause] no one is more qualified on this stage to run this party at the national level. not one person. i know exactly -- >> time is up.

>> thank you. >> your time is up. [applause] >> av, please cut floor mics. thank you. all right. next up we have mark rutherford. [applause] >> good evening, libertarians. i am from the great state of indiana. [applause] i'm a proud member of the mises caucus and was for four years estate organizer of the mises caucus. proud to have voted for andrew mcardle-- andrea mcardle. mark rutherford is a friend, he is fair. when we had no authority before he took over, he was fair and

help me from the beginning. he had institutional connections, connections to donors that we don't have. he will not obstruct division of angela, which i believe in eminently. if i didn't believe that, i wouldn't be up here. he is a good administrator, he is good with staff, he is good with donors, he will provide balance if we want to unify this party behind the vision of the mises caucus. mark rutherford for vice chair is the answer. thank you. [applause] >> hello, everyone. as you know, i've done this job. i was the vice chair. i have worked with mark in the past and he has served on multiple lnc's in the past including multi-caucus lncs, and he has always worked in good faith. his experience can take indiana's current success nationwide. it is for those reasons i encourage you to support arc rutherford for vice chair. thank you. [applause]

>> thank you to my nominators, thank you all. you have heard a lot from me. i want to thank you all. this is a wonderful political party, and i appreciate you for voting for me this afternoon. [applause] >> thank you, gentlemen. we're going to reset our timeclock. up next, we have mr. josh. >> what's up, libertarian party? good morning, or good afternoon at this point. how are we doing today? [applause] that's it? you spent the last three days doing all of this shit and pay thousands of dollars and that's all the energy got left? how the fuck are we doing today?

[cheers and applause] thank you. let's be honest with ourselves, we are political party. i'm running for the float house right now, district 105,000 on the chair of the libertarian party of florida. before that, we had a great affiliate. we don't have all the drama that a lot of your affiliates do, we don't have all the problems your philistine. i'm just as competent as hannah goodman, i'm just as fair as mark rutherford. you know how quality a prison i am and we don't have time for this. we need to get the vice president done! let's go! thank you! >> adam chair, microphone 2. >> thank you, mr. hlavka. >> i move that we immediately

hold the memorial service, 10 minutes at this time, before dr. paul speaks at 3:30. >> ok. what i was going to do was have that happen while we were balloting. but now it is a motion. i don't believe i heard a second. >> motion withdrawn -- >> thank you. >> if we can do this at the next balloting. >> beautiful. all right, tellers. let's get ready for votes.

ok. state chairs and tellers, we are going to get ready for votes. we have a couple of things that are going to be happening soon. we have a memorial video. 3:14. we also have dr. ron paul speaking at 3:30. [applause] now, our memorial video is 10 minutes long. i'd like to play it very soon. and because it's a little bit chaotic, i'd like to find another time to play it at the end if we have time during the balloting. i'm going to leave that up to my discretion, squeezing it in a second time if there is time. but i know that not everybody is

going to be able to pay attention, and there is a little bit of concern about making sure that it is respectful. i'm going to do everything i can to make everyone feel as respected and appreciated as possible. [applause] thank you. i'm going to ask that state chairs -- you look like you are doing your job, fantastic, please continue to do so. i'm going to have lisa take a little bit of time right now so that we can be on time for dr. ron paul. thank you.

all right, guys, while they are getting the memorial video ready, i believe we have few results of our round one presidential vote, so we are going to do that first and slide right in. our secretary needs her screen, please. screen.

av team, we know you are working hard. if you can get our secretary -- thank you so much. you are on, chair. let's jump to presidential. you are on chair. you are on chair. one second, one second. technical difficulties. president -- we are all very tired. it's a very long day. it will get longer.

please be looking at your states. i know the font is small, but that is so we can get everything on the screen. please be looking at your states. that's important. we are still scrolling. state chairs, please check if you can. >> mic one? >> microphone one. >> point of information -- did

we suspend the state-by-state allegiance for the first round? >> not yet, but i'm hoping someone will make that motion. >> so moved. >> thank you. can you state it so everyone understands what it is? >> i move that we suspend the state-by-state read-in for the first round of presidential nominations under the bylaws -- bylaws are in front of me right now. typically that takes an extra half-hour or so. >> yep, thank you. that means we are not going to stand up state-by-state and announce every vote tallied. does that -- do you -- very tired. it's very tired. fantastic. any objections? oh, i think that sounded like two thirds. is that two thirds? [applause] thank you. ok, our secretary is still scrolling slowly.

we're almost at the end. >> request for information. >> yes? >> are we including the invalid votes in the totals here? that would not be appropriate. >> our secretary will answer that, she says. one second. all right, that is the end of the screen. madam secretary, did you have any commentary? come on down. >> on ballots that indicate a clear preference, even if it is an ineligible candidate, it still does count in the denominator. technically we should not include the name there, it should just say "ineligible." it just sort of in the tradition of our party that we put the weirdo names up there, but if the body prefer that we don't, i won't instruct tellers to put ineligible. but it still does count as a ballot cast.

>> ok, i think we should go to the vote totals, round one. thank you. ok, here we go. ok. because video is not translating to people watching the screen, i'm going to read the percentages. charles, 2.29% f the jacob hornburger, 6.2%. robert f kennedy, jr., 6.20%. che oliver, 19 70%. michael jackson 2020 --

michael rectenwald -- i'm in the middle. let me finish this. michael rectenwald, 28.18%. mike ter maat, 15.34%. i'm not going to read the w rite-ins. all right. ok. oh, let's scroll down. totally fair questions. 1.2%. [applause] got you guys. ok, it's 3:23. we have ron paul coming up in 7

minutes. >> madam secretary, mic 3. >> we are going to check to see what order we are going to do things at. does anybody have a really pressing, urgent point? >> sam goldstein, indiana. i moved to strike on the next ballot anybody with less than 10%. >> ok. it has been moved and seconded to strike any presidential candidate on the next round of balloting with less than 10%. i believe this would require -- it requires two thirds. all right. all in favor of striking any presidential candidates who received less than 10% on the next ballot, please say aye.

>> aye! >> all opposed? >> nay! >> that does not have two thirds it is pretty close to 50-50, i'm sorry. all right. i believe we are balloting for vice chair right now. can someone confirm by thumbs up we are balloting for vice chair? >> we are still on the chair vote. >> president vote. >> sorry, president, president. point of information, i believe we are still in president vote. >> ok. we are going to do balloting -- gotcha. >> we are on round 2 for presidential balloting. beautiful. thank you for that. all right. i think what we need to do is

probably -- we've only got five minutes. we are going to let them get their ballots out, and then ron paul is going to speak, and then we're going to go immediately into the memorial video. is that ok with everyone? [applause] now, while this is happening, i'd like you all to consider how you want to continue voting for the rest of the day. i hope everyone is willing to stay until 7:00 p.m. there are some things perhaps we could consider doing with standing vote after the first round of voting. no? i'm not going to make the motion. i want you to think it over because i want to make sure we get everything done and that people are comfortable with the way we do it. talk amongst yourselves, think about how you want to do it. i'm just going to help you make it happen. >> madam chair? delegate from kentucky. i'm wondering if he would be in

order to get their ballots for vice chair out as well, so we can get two different elections going while we're doing all of the speechifying and the videos. >> it looks like state chairs have already started walking out, so probably not. but if you might raise that issue on the next round of ballots, or before they go out, that would probably be a good idea. i'd like to hear it again. >> madam chair, microphone three. madam chair, microphone three. >> microphone three? >> can we get the current potus candidates on the screen, please? >> i'm sorry? >> can we get the current presidential candidate on the screen? >> for what purpose, because we are about to have a speaker?

>> because we are balloting for round two. >> you'd like to see that? >> yes, madam chair. >> presidential candidates who are in the round two, would you like to come up on stage and wave? remind people to vote for you by waving at them? we got one. let's do a little wave. we're going to wait till everybody's settled in their seats before we bring dr. paul out, and he is ready for us. >> mendham chair, microphone -- madam chair, microphone, two. >> microphone two, and i want av

mics could very soon. >> mendham chair, we are balloting right now. i don't believe we can have a speaker until the ballots are turned in. >> well, i'm aware of that. >> thank you. >> hello, alabama. all right.

>> ben weir, please report to the av table. ben, please report to the av table.

chair mcardle: please leave work with your state chairs -- please quickly work with your state chairs. i see tennessee working hard. we have an amazing inspirational speaker just waiting here in the wings. he is going to keep us entertained and captivated while our tellers tally our ballots. at this time, if you are a young libertarian, if you are a small child and you would like to come sit up at the front of the room on the floor, that would be in order.

[applause] chair mcardle: if you have young children, if you are gen alpha, come on down. gen alpha. paging little kids. how are we doing, guys? are we close to turning in our ballots? i see one state lined up. i love it. i love to see it. we are getting so close. i love to see these hard-working state chairs turning in their ballots. we are getting really close. we don't want to keep dr. paul waiting. we are greatly honored to have him here today. this is an amazing convention.

state chairs. who is still balloting? thank you. thank you.

large states are still balloting. smaller states seem to be finished. thank you. we challenge to grow -- we challenge you to grow. i love seeing all these kids, these younger generations up here. oh, babies too. where is my baby?

i got to get my baby in here. paging arthur pageant. paging baby arthur to the front of the room. all right. i am looking at our state chairs. they look like they are working very hard, and we are getting closer and closer.

all right. florida still going. he is still going. i will not interrupt him. texas, still balloting. pennsylvania, are you still balloting?

how are we doing, states? if everyone can know where voice, then i can get a read of the room on who is still balloting. guys? quiet down, please. we need to finish this today. ok. i need everybody to be quiet.

please be quiet. now, who is still balloting? thank you, texas. who else is still balloting? new york. who else is still balloting? is that pennsylvania? thank you, pennsylvania. california is almost done.

>> check, check. madam chair. chair mcardle: please work with mike on sorting all of that out. >> thank you. i just want to make sure that no delegate is disenfranchised because they lost their button. chair mcardle: ok. ok. don't. thank you. ok, guys. we are not going to have dr. paul wait much longer.

do you think we are at a place when we could hear from dr. paul? [cheering and applause] chair mcardle: i think we are at a place where we could hear from dr. paul. [cheering and applause] let's everyone please lower our voices. thank you so much to the people who brought future generations. dr. ron paul is a former congressman. he is also our former libertarian presidential nominee. [applause] he inspired many of us to become libertarian and to join this party and continue his good work. we are extremely grateful he has made it all the way out here to speak to us. i am extremely honored and

humbled to present the great dr. ron paul to you. [applause] dr. paul: wonderful. wonderful. i am among friends for sure. and a lot, too. wow. i have given a couple speeches in the past. one of the things i talk to libertarian groups about his being active and having meetings and promote the cause.

but i said if you get together, one rule i will pass on to you is you should have a lot of fun doing it. it sounded like you are. [applause] but this is just great. i want to thank you very much for the introduction as well as running the campaign and the convention. that is a job and a half. it is wonderful to be here because there is a lot of enthusiasm here. one curious question i do want to ask. most of you know that i was a nominee for the libertarian party in 1988. [applause] but you might not know that i signed up as a lifetime member and i paid in gold. [applause]

so i am delighted to be here. thank you very much for the invitation. i think really if i had a seam for -- theme for what i want to talk about, it is about how the empire has ended. that is good news for us. [applause] you know, one thing people have a controversy about his conspiracies. i am all for conspiracies, but i have one little thing to add. i only want to hear the true conspiracy, which most of them are true. [applause] but it is so important, you know, to know what we believe in. that is my emphasis.

i often wonder, when i went to the college campuses and talked to a lot of individuals during the presidential campaigns, they would hear from me and you will probably hear a little bit of that from me tonight, and that is the fact that there is a problem out there. a big problem out there. it was not created by you. it was created by, guess what, politicians in washington that need to be removed. [applause] i divide the activities into two. one is the philosophy that we have and the whole idea of what is going on with politics. there is too often a division there. one of the things is the competition.

we should be doing a lot better than we are doing as the rotarians. you think the competition is not all that smart. [applause] you have a couple of what they call big parties, but do they have a philosophy? one thing we can say about libertarians, at least we have something to believe in, liberty. [applause] we have the philosophy that we seek and talk about, but we also have political activities, and that to me is a contest between what the people are thinking and saying and how you change the government. there are some sinister groups out there that they want to change the government too and they want chaos in the streets, and they are promoting all the nonsense, almost every thing opposite of what we believe as the rotarians because they can't

-- as libertarians because the chaos is here. the empire really has ended and has been systematically replaced by chaos for the sole purpose of improvising a system of government 100% opposite of terrien. and -- opposite of libertarian, and that we have to stop. [applause] you know, i wrote a little pamphlet recently, and i dealt with the idea, this whole idea that the empire has ended, concluding, ending, in those individuals who philosophically believe -- the marxists believe you have to destroy something in order to replace it with something good like socialism. they purposely want that. they want the chaos in the street. because i had a dilemma over the years. why are the people and the

government going along with so many stupid things? it finally dawned on me that is exactly what they want. [applause] and of course, that is what we have to change. but this is not new. it has happened throughout history. but instead of looking at that and crying about it and complaining about it, we try to explain it, but we want to make sure we understand the value in it too and what we can do with it. that puts a greater burden of responsibility on us, because they have destroyed the remnant of what we had, the founders had with some emphasis on liberty. and now, there is a vacuum out there and they are planning on moving in. when you look at woke is him -- woke-ism, unfortunately they have been more successful, and we should confront it and get rid of it is what i think we ought to do.

[applause] but i happen to believe that this all got in full motion just within several decades. that puts us back to 1963. i was a medical resident in 1962, and the cuban crisis came up and i got that little notice from the government that said, come along, we own you. my claim is the two things that will make you a slave is if you accept the military draft and the income tax. [applause] because if you look at the income tax, they tax our income and then say, what do you mean it is not the government?

they have a monopoly on it because you cannot spend any of it until the government gives you permission, and that is of course why high on the list are to be, and i am sure it is in a car like this, if we expect to see any significant changes to the bidding, we are getting rid of the irs for sure -- changes to liberty, we are getting good of the irs for sure. [applause] of course, understanding the military draft is easy to see, especially if you are a member or you read the history of 1960. that is a tragedy. we still play these games but we are still sending troops to death by going overseas and participating and incorporating other people into the activities that we do. so this to me is a major, major

thing. it is easy. we can visualize and we know exactly what we would do with the irs and the income tax. but there is another tax that has to be understood because the likelihood of us in the future getting good of the irs is not very good, but the fact that groups like this and others are growing in their understanding and their desire to do something about that tax that is the most vicious and most destructive, and that is the inflation tax designed by the federal reserve. [applause] wonderful.

wonderful. i did not even have to convince you of that, did i? i have a little book out that says the fed, you have to get rid of the fed. i remember when it dawned on me. it occurred when i was at a liberal university. i had a decent crowd out, which was to my surprise because we did pretty good getting a mixed crowd out. it was on a college campus. i think it was the university of michigan. i was talking my usual talk and i alluded to it and all of a sudden there started to be chants at this liberal university. they started chanting "end the fed," and i said, where did they come from? that was a delight to know that

happened. but the inflation tax is people, really evil. it is a little harder to see than income tax. but the inflation tax is to finance all of the deficits right now, and that is totally out of control. i mean, it is spending every single day. it is increasing. we can hardly get enough money to pay the interest on the debt it is so bad. but that is part of the end of the empire. the end of the empire is coming and that is good, but we will not let those monsters pick up the pieces. that will be our job to pick it up and give them a dose of liberty. [applause] you know, there are some people who talk about coups.

there have been some coups around. the united states are champions. we committed more coups the last 30 or 40 years than probably anybody in history. if you look back as recently as ukraine, that involves an american coup and nato to stipulate all of that mess. there is a lot of people that think that 1963 -- matter of fact, i think it is very clear there was a coup in 1963, and we are suffering from it ever since. [applause] i was a resident at henry ford hospital when i was drafted in november. draft notice in november. finally had to go in by january.

that was an experience that made a difference in my life because the day before kennedy was assassinated, i was on kelly air force base and kennedy had stopped there. i was the point medical officer on the base there. that had a big impact because it was like less than 24 hours after he left the base at kelly air force base that he was killed in dallas. but that was not the only thing or the biggest thing. it was just out of control. as history has evolved, i have come to the conclusion as many of you probably have that over all of these years, the whole lie told by oswald, the single

shot, that it turns out in my opinion was a filthy lie. [applause] but of course, that was followed by another kennedy being assassinated. martin luther king being assassinated. and on and on it has gone. the thing that really put it into my mind that this is a coup and has been taken over was immediately after the john kennedy assassination, there was all the plans made for an investigation, and they had the kennedy commission. i guess it was another name on that. the commission was set at. -- set up, and it turns out

that i have come along to believe the key maker of the coup was out of dallas. [applause] guess what. where they had the commission, he was on the commission to investigate it, to cover up the lie. i have been convinced over the years of all the commissions. when you hear about a commission, you hear, good, at least they are investigating it. that does not happen. it is either to cover up stupidity or cover up their tracks. because they are not seeking truth. that is our problem in this country, the lack of truth. the lack of truth and knowing what is going on. it is so bad that right now we are seeing the conclusion of this, the destruction of the republic, the department of justice, our whole

concept of our government. our republic does not exist under this condition. but i do not want myself to even drift and say how horrible, which is. it is horrible, horrible. because it is so horrible. i am looking for something to grasp. they have destroyed it for the wrong reasons. unless this group of people and thousands more something about it. [applause] you know there is a lot, of political activity in various parties. there are independents, and we work with in a party, the

libertarian party. but there are others that feel very frustrated. i think they are sincere but very confused. one thing that is a pet peeve with me but i also think what they are doing is not too smart, and that is they want the party of no labels. no labels. that means you don't even know what it is. no labels? you have to label something. so now the label is no label. i say no sense either. [applause] but they claim this satisfies the demand for a perfect democracy. everybody gets to vote. everybody gets to participate. so they think it is a way to democracy. they advertise it as being bipartisan, bringing people together.

this to me just is not truth. and they say this with honesty too. bringing people together. if you have a reasonably good constitutional conservative and you have a good progressive democrat on the other side and both of them have a piece of the understanding of the real message and you say, well, we need to bring them together. but they bring them together, these two, by giving up the true good beliefs and coming together with all of this compromise instead. i think one of the worst things i can see is there was something this week. we just passed this thing with a bipartisan vote. that is bad news. [applause]

i think we should have labels and we should have understanding. i think it is just great that we have a philosophy that is so wonderful for us via liberty. it is not something we invented. it has been around for a good while. a lot of confusion comes and goes. people have different opinions, but some of the basics of this philosophy existed for a long, long time. the country of samaria, the first written laws in the land. even before that, people knew a couple basics. they had rules of punishment for people who would lie, cheat, steal, and kill. that is a good one. that sounds like nonaggression principle.

so this has been going on for a long time. that is 4000 to 5000 years ago, which means there is i believe my personal belief that there is a natural law and there is a higher law and it has been available to all of us. we can understand it. there is a contest going on that has been going on for hundreds of years, thousands of years. we the people are in denial for selfish, people reasons. -- sawfish, people reason -- selfish, evil reasons because they say you cannot know that. the people there -- the people there is very -- the evil there is very apparent. it is easy for us to say, what are we going to do to fill the void? i would say each and every one here has a responsibility. i have met people that come

up after talks. some college students would come up and would say, i heard that. it is a great message. i agree with you. what should i do? you know what my answer is. you probably heard it. do whatever you want to do. [applause] because i believe that despite the level of the amount of education of people, there is always some talent out there. some people have musical talent and i am jealous because i wish i could see, but i can't. i sing the song of liberty. that is about the best i can do. [applause] everybody has talent that should be used in different ways. but if you come to the conclusion and if you come to a convention like this, you ought

to leave with enthusiasm of understanding where the real problem is. instead of looking at everything that is going on, dark matter. i stayed in washington for 26 years. they said, how did you stand them? those clouds of their. -- up there. i say i have low expectations -- had low expectations. [applause] the expectations were just reality. i was motivated to get into politics with the federal reserve and the money issue because that supplies the incentive to get involved in warfare-ism and the whole works so that was important. the whole issue of the monetary issue was things involved in

that. but i finally found that if i studied more it is all tied together. one type i had a presidential that one time, i had a presidential debate in the interviewer said we are going to talk about economics. next, we are going to talk about foreign policy. i said they are the same. how do you think you fight wars without the federal reserve providing money? [applause] but i do believe it is a battle between good and evil. some people put that into a religious spiritual view. but some people can do that as just good old logic that is very natural for some people to wake up and come across just like the seminarians did 4000, 5000 years ago. they knew the difference.

you should not lie, cheat, or kill. that sounds libertarian. [applause] we should be able to rely on natural law. but, matter of fact, that is detested wholeheartedly by those authoritarians. authoritarians are competing with the people compete with liberty. the authoritarians, they do not. do you know that authoritarians don't like you? [applause] because you are -- in washington, d.c., that is why you see so few. we have -- in my experience from washington, i don't think gradualism is going to all of a sudden give us a magic cure to

all we have. you like 10 more good guys and 10 more here. we should. more voices we have, the better. but that is not the way the budget will be balanced. the budget is so out of control and there is so much misunderstanding and lies that go around. that cannot happen. will the wars stop after my experience? no, they will continue. they will just live more about it, be more deceitful about it. they will say if you oppose any wars, you are unpatriotic and un-american and you hate the troops. that will never change because you have to. when you are fighting for liberty, you are credited for some good things happening. that is what we should be doing. [applause] you know, during the national

campaigns, i had a statement that will alarm some people at times because they would go, why should we elect you? i said, you should elect me because of the things i don't want to do. [applause] i don't want to run your life. i would not know how anyway. it is all your business. i don't want to run the economy because it is impossible. you can do it because there is different opinions. people might want to spend their money for something else. i don't want to run the world because it is the dumbest idea in the world. and that is why you fight wars constantly -- and that is how you fight wars constantly. we need more people to say what they will do and what we don't think they should do, but the flipside of that is we will have to protect your liberty.

sincere people who come and say we like what you say but they are not going to take care of themselves. and won't happen every time -- it won't happen every time. that worry is out. frequently on the college campuses what i would say is that is true but you will not have taxes. you will not regulate. your life is your own. that sounds very good. i always tell them, applause. you get your freedom back, and if you make a mistake, you cannot go crying to the government and you cannot get your neighbor to go to the government to get what you want. you have to be responsible for your activities. [applause] the wonderful thing about the principles of liberty is that

they are so beneficial. it still bewilders me why we are not doing better. we have to do better. it is so overwhelming that what they are doing -- you would think you cannot get enough. if you are in texas, you cannot be convinced how bad things are. you can visit a couple other states on what really is happening. things are bad. they can always change. you can change. people say it is not changeable. my message here is it is not going to change under today's condition. the bankruptcies will be worse because the chaos will be there. but we have to know what the problems are and be willing to admit it. they say the most dreaded enemy of those in big government is just somebody telling the truth.

[applause] we saw a little but of that during covid. the covid fake epidemic. there would be people -- that was just an introduction to what they want. they will have the next virus must be aware. there were some meetings out, pta and school board meetings and all. by that time, people were becoming irate. it took one person sometimes to stand up and say this is a lot of you know what and we don't need to do this and conduct the whole audience because they were feeling the same thing. that is why one voice is very, very loud. [applause] but i always make the point that you do need a large number. you need a prevailing attitude

about the people. unfortunately, since the coup occurred, the attitude is welfare-ism is what we needed so everything will be better. but that will not work. the coup has convinced people that they are right. but right now, it is obvious to more and more people with what is going on with the election. more people are realizing that the lies have been told. and it is recognized the one thing they can't stand in washington is somebody that would just tell the plain truth. [applause] but there are a lot of things that can be done. every individual has a responsibility. i think people realize there is

a contest between philosophy and also the people who tell lies. it is epidemic. there is no doubt about it. but i am still convinced though that if people are exposed to the truth and know what is happening, the percentage are more on our side on the side of tyranny -- than on the side of t renee but we have to get the message out. we are having a problem with the destruction of the department of justice. it is now a department of injustice. [applause] can you imagine the fbi going to trump's home, where he lives, going in there, and the fbi was

going in there ready to fight it out with secret service. i would say there is not much left to enter public, you know, -- to a republic you know, if that is the case. people don't like to use that word but they like to use democracy. democracy. the one thing we should work harder at, and i am sure everybody in this audience already knows it, but democracy is nothing more than the majority. [applause] that is the whole thing. the dictatorship, the majority is so bad. why do we lose the argument against people who we think should have a fair shake? they are in a minority.

if you let that go, all they do is become victims. it is the controls they have to have. now we have to worry about dti and esg and all of those rules and regulations. there was one this week that we should be very conscious about that. i think it was the california medical school studied the medical students appointed by diversity reasons and half of them did not know what they were doing. and they are medical students now. i would say get the government out of medicine, education, the whole works. [applause] that is wonderful.

i think you really get encourage. some say it is hard work to talk. i need to do it. i need to know you exist. and you do. and there are others. continue to be more creative. get the groups together. remember, the first campaign was in 2007, 2008. the computer just started. it came up with this thing. i don't know what it was. i still don't know a lot about it. it was a meetup group that west -- that was spontaneous. people met up together and it was a campaign organization. they would just become part of the campaign. there is so much now. technology is wonderful. i like the technology. but i have a strong warning. technology is good when it is used by honest people and can be

very, very dangerous when it is run by the government. [applause] some people who are actually involved in some of the technology, they go to the government thinking they would get credit building and we have to talk to the sec, the whole works, and talk to the people writing the regulations. and that is the way they will have an input on it. but the influence has to be you people should not exist. what we need to do is get rid of you and that the market decide who is going to make it -- and let the market decide who is going to make it. [applause] wonderful. i am going to close by thanking you. thanking you very much for my invitation.

thank you very much because i get encouraged. that is why i come here. i come here because i am very selfish. because i benefit by meeting you and talking with you and knowing that you want to end the fed. [applause] [chanting] [applause]

>> thank you so much, dr. paul. another final round of applause for dr. paul. [applause] all right. i am going to recognize our secretary for a moment. >> madam chair, from colorado, i move to suspend the rules and immediately after showing the results of round tw a presidential votingo, there will be a round three to go immediately into nominations for secretary and treasurer and nomination speeches limited to two minutes each. the delegation chairs will run pick up packages for president round three. vice chair round one, secretary round one, and treasurer round

one to be counted simultaneously. during this time, the memorial presentation will be conducted. chair mcardle: thank you. ok. we need to get that motion language on the screen. so stand by for just one second. >> madam chair. chair mcardle: microphone one. >> star child, delegate from california. chair mcardle: star child. >> i was in the second round of presidential voting. denied the opportunity to vote by my state chair because i did not have my button even knew he that even though he knew i was a delegate -- even though he knew i was a delegate. chair mcardle: it was my understanding -- >> they got the button for me. i came back and adrian told me

it was too late. he would not count my boat. chair mcardle: ok, we will handle this on the side. all delegates are responsible for maintaining their credentials. please. please. i am going to handle this on the side but we need to proceed. i am going to pass the gavel to the vice chair for a moment obviously so i can attend to something. i will be right back. this is not debatable. >> i have a point of information, please. chair mcardle: is it just clarification? >> yes. are these private ballots? just to confirm that. chair mcardle: these will be private ballots. >> madam chair, my point of information is all of these elections are all going to be on one ballot so we will just leave everybody out, or are all of these going to be separate? chair mcardle: separate ballots. >> ok. chair mcardle: separate ballots.

i will pass the gavel to the vice chair. i will return in a moment. this is not debatable. >> all right. all those in favor. is it -- it is on the screen. all those in favor of passing this motion, please rise. [applause] all right. looking good. please be seated. all those opposed, please rise. that clearly passes. [applause] clearly two thirds. mr. chair, microphone two. >> microphone two. mr. chair, barry schwartz,

delegate from utah. i moved to provide the presidential candidates who withdraw or are eliminated will be permitted to address the convention for no more than 90 seconds, provided they are here in person. >> is there a second? is there any discussion? >> motion to amend. >> there is no debate. >> yes. >> motion to amend, microphone three. >> one second. >> this was a motion to suspend the rules. >> to suspend the rules and honor the tradition we have held at these conventions for many years to allow those eliminated from the presidential competition to speak to the delegates before we take the next vote. >> from illinois, i second it. >> motion to amend.

>> this cannot be amended. because this is a motion to suspend the rules, it cannot be amended. and it is not debatable. all those in favor, please rise. please be seated. and if you are in the room, can you please kneel -- rows, can you please kneel? all of those opposed, please rise. yeah, that is not two thirds. >> mr. vice chair, microphone one, from ohio. >> we will show the results.

let's hear from him and then show the results. >> never mind. i was going to ask for the results. >> ok. >> all right, everyone. take a look. our secretary is scrolling slowly so you and your state chairs can look at the total count for your state. when we are finished, we will go to vote totals, and i will read the vote totals aloud for those following along on the live feed.

we are getting to the end. all right. we are at the end. madam secretary, we will show the vote totals for round two. all right. here we are. ok, i will read them aloud. jacob hornberger 4.6%,. lars mapstd, 13.50%. chase oliver. michael rectenwald, 32.16%.

joshua smith, 6.81%. mike ter maat, 17.87%. now, i believe we will go to balloting right away. all right. ok, we are going for nominations for secretary and treasurer. now, in order to make this nice and neat, i suggest people who are running for secretary come first and then we do treasurer. but we will do it as it is do it as it is brought. >> madam chair, microphone 3. >> please state your name.

>> a request for information. >> thank you. >> did this body grab a former president by the pussy last night? >> sit down. that is completely out of order. we need to get the business. thank you. >> madam chair, mic 2. >> i believe we are going to nominations. is that the nominations of the day? fantastic. >> delegate from texas candidate for delegate against ted cruz i am happy to nominate from california as secretary of the libertarian national committee. i knew mimi in california, my good friend, secretary and chair of the california libertarian party.

she is a structural engineer, organized, very capable. excellent secretary. >> microphone one. >> i wish to nominate my dear friend and highly competent and esteem secretary, mrs. karen harlows. >> thank you. >> microphone four. >> good evening from the northeast corner, treasurer of the libertarian party of maine. i would like to put up the nomination for secretary, a lifetime award winner in maine. rockland, maine. >> thank you very much. can you state your name again? >> jim banes. >> thank you very much, jim. >> microphone one. >> virginia, point of information, madam secretary, could you note which election this is for that is on the

screen? that is for secretary? >> thank you, these are for secretary. >> microphone three. >> do we have more nominations for secretary? >> microphone three. >> microphone three. >> arizona, i moved to close nominations. >> hold on. for secretary? >> for secretary. >> thank you. >> any objections to closing nominations for secretary? going once, going twice. nominations for secretary are closed. we are going now to nominations for treasurer. >> microphone three, ohio. i moved to nominate -- for treasurer. [applause] >> moves to nominate bill -- for treasurer. >> microphone one.

>> microphone one. >> colorado, i moved to nominate allison -- for treasurer. >> can you -- sorry, can you repeat that? you were kind of soft-spoken. what is your name? >> joe, colorado. >> what was allison's last name? >> spink. >> thank you. >> daniel bledsoe from texas. i would like to nominate patrick mitchell for treasurer. >> daniel bledsoe has nominated patrick mitchell for treasurer. mitchell. we got it. any other nominations for treasurer? >> madam chair, microphone two. >> microphone two.

>> i moved to close nominations for treasurer. >> it has been moved and seconded to close nominations for treasurer. any objections? going once. going twice. all right, nominations for treasurer are closed. did everyone except their nominations? we need to do the order of speeches. we will zoom through this. candidates, please come to the front. we will roll a die to see the

order of your speeches. i believe speeches are two minutes. now, once the ballots go out we are going to do our in memoriam video. we have been trying to get to that and it is happening. i believe we are waiting on sean to come to the front. we are working on the order of nomination speeches. >> he is on his way.

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>> hello, everyone. i am just helping out someone who is not sure how to formulate a motion. one of the candidates for treasurer, mr. mitchell, was unaware of the nomination petition requirements. i believe you would like to ask to suspend the rules to give him time during the nomination speeches to gather the 15 signatures. is that your motion? >> yes, it is. thank you. >> it has been moved and seconded. this is a 2/3 vote and is not debatable. if you are in favor of the motion, please rise.

all right, please, be seated. please be seated. all those opposed, please rise. i believe that's 2/3, clearly. >> all right, we are getting ready to do nominations. >> madam secretary, microphone two. i would like to call for a counted vote. >> we've already moved a special rule of order. the room seems to be yelling.

we are on our way. don't believe there is a second. >> second. >> a counted vote -- a counted vote on what? >> on the motion to suspend the role that was just declared to pass. the motion that would have allowed patrick mitchell to get extra time to collect nomination signatures. >> it was clearly 2/3. you want to do a counted vote? >> i respectfully request a counted vote. >> no. we are going to proceed to a vote. reading the room, they want to move on and we will go to nomination speeches.

[applause] thank you, everyone. please, lower your voices. we are going to do secretary's nomination speeches first. they have two minutes. i believe mrs. harlow is first. [applause] >> well, hello, everyone, again. a lot of you know me, but there are some things you may not know . so, i will do something a little unusual. i am having the most important person in the world to me, my most supportive husband, wayne harlow, do my nomination speech. >> hello, everybody. when i first met karen ann before we were married, she

lived her life under the premise that the way to find happiness was to find what you love and let it kill you. that is what she has done with her job as secretary. she would love to be secretary. another reason we fall in love with her is because her sense of devotion and work ethic is beyond reproach. she does more work that any 10 people that have ever known. that includes me, if there were 10 of me. another thing is, she is very, very conscious of ethics, in every decision that she makes and every action she makes. ethics is one of the most important things to her and always has been. her work ethic is exemplified by the fact that in all the years she has been on the onc she has only missed one meeting. that includes committee meetings. that is because it was good friday. missed one meeting in how many

years? nine years? maybe some committee meetings, ok. a lot of you are not aware of the special, specialized skill sets and things that are necessary to do the secretarial job. i promise you caryn has shown she has that skill set. that is without debate. she is as good as it gets on that. also, she is phenomenally good -- am i out of time? i was just getting started. i thank you for your attention and consideration to vote for caryn ann as secretary. >> up next.

apologies. mrs. robinson. >> hello, delegates. this is my 13th national convention and i'm having a great time. i am sam goldstein from the great libertarian party state of indiana and am here to second the nomination of my good friend and longtime colleague in liberty, mimi robinson. i appreciate your vote for her today. thank you. >> fellow delegates, i am ted brown from texas but i used to be from california and i was the state chair there. maybe robinson was secretary when i was state chair. she was ethical, honest, decent, competent person and that is what we need on all of the positions of this party. i heartily endorse mimi robinson for secretary. >> hello, delegates.

i am running for secretary. i have been secretary for the state of california libertarian party. i'm a structural engineer by trade. because of that, i am very detail oriented. i look at things very logically. i am able to prioritize. that is what i do for a living. i also have been secretary. i very efficient at typing. i'm very efficient at our bylaws. i believe that i would make a good secretary for this party. i know it's a lot of work and i think mrs. harlos has done a fabulous job, but i thought possibly it was time for me to try this. i would appreciate your vote. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you.

>> thank you. i am one of those rare ducks, an elected libertarian. i filled the vacancy on the knox county budget committee in 2013 and have been reelected twice. i have served numerous positions in the maine state committee including chair multiple times and one time when our chair and vice chair disappeared on us, not fun. we had to resurrect practically the party from scratch. today, we have ballot access, a full delegation in attendance today, all nominated at our convention all nominated delegates from maine so much so that i merely an alternate. i am running today -- i have

been running for the past two months because as much as the incumbent is very skilled at her job, she calls secretary her superpower. her kryptonite is lnc member and she has lost trust of a lot of us. you don't prove that bylaws are bad by proving it in the manner of being a bad actor that exploits it to disenfranchise delegates. i care about this party. it has been a tough two years. i believe we can rebuild. my first convention was here in

1998. the theme then was the road to victory. i believe we should start repaving it here and now. please elect me to secretary. thank you. >> thank you, mr. levasseur. next, we will move on to our treasurer candidate. yes. up first would be patrick mitchell. do the tellers have your signatures? awesome. here is mr. mitchell. >> thank you. thank you for your kindness. i am running for treasurer. i have previous experience as a treasurer. i was book keeper for lb texas

for a little while. also, with most of the county being offloaded to a professional accounting firm most of the position will be oversight over that. that is what i do in my everyday job. i have to look through the details and find with the problem is and get that fixed and make sure everything is good. i believe with my experience and my skills i have the necessary skills to do a good job in this position. thank you. >> thank you, mr. mitchell. >> good afternoon. bill, three times national

treasurer, two times national chair, state chair virginia and illinois. he has run for every level of political office except the united states. he has run for the united states senate in 2008. he put $18,000 of his own money into the ballot access so that virginians can have a libertarian on the ballot. you will not find a man who is more well-qualified to serve us treasurer and who will do a wonderful job helping the lnc move forward. >> fellow libertarians, bill has been a friend of mine since 1979 when i was in this party and he was not. we are both indiana university college students in no him to be a man of integrity through his life. passionate, meticulous, confident to the extreme.ladies

and gentlemen, your former chair, your former treasurer, who even has this party existing today, bill redpath. >> thank you, jim and joe. two of my best friends back here. great men and great friends. all of you are great friends as well. i appreciate your vote. i am technically qualified to do this. my heart is with this party. i just celebrated my 40th anniversary as a libertarian party member. i have an active cpa license in illinois, and it was hell getting the illinois department of financial regulation to accept my virginia cpa license in a transfer to illinois. that alone was a victory over slothful government. let's celebrate that if we can. thank you, i would appreciate

your vote. >> thank you to our candidates. we have one more candidate. mrs. allison spinx. >> thank you. i think that most of you don't know me. i'm fairly new to party politics. i have been an accountant for 19 years. at a $15 billion public company working under stringent stocks control because the government does not penalize the actual criminals, just everyone else. i do have an inactive cda license because the government doesn't get to tell me how smart i am. i am not your typical accountant. i went into accounting, it was too easy for me, it was my path out of poverty. i'm hoping to use it to be my path out of tierney. -- my path out of tierney.

i value freedom, love, truth. i'm an objective person willing to listen to everyone's input. as dr. paul said, the fall is coming. i believe our party's role is to antagonize it and prepare for. i believe that the people in this room are the leaders that will step up when the fall comes. vote for me. thank you. >> thank you very much. delegation chairs, did you pick up the ballots for vice chair, secretary, and treasurer? fantastic. if you are a state delegation chair in did not pick up the ballot or internal party elections in addition to presidents, please grab that. we are going to take a little

bit of time to get our listing underway. when the ballots have been passed to our tellers we will do our memorial video. i think it's a good idea to wait until most of the actual balloting is done so that we are quiet and respectable for our loved ones who have passed away. [indiscernible yelling] >> i'm so sorry. i think that was for what was already on the screen? oh carol k -- ok. our secretary will put it up so it is clear for all of you.

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>> delegation chairs you can hand in your ballot in any order. there is no set order.

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wonderful, beautiful faces. continue balloting. thank you all.

>> state chairs, how are we doing on validating? if you are a state chair and you are still balloting, will you give me a wave? thank you so much. good luck.

>> where are we out on balloting ? couple states? still out, got you.

>> guys, i think we are about ready for our memorial video. if you can all find your seats. if you can turn in your ballots? ok, we have still got a few to turn in. oh, you better not try.

if you are not voting, i would like you to find your seat so that we can get our memorial video underway. thank you all.

guys? if we can lower our voices. i think we are going to get ready for the memorial video. we are going to hear from just -- for just two minutes from lisa, who chaired the committee who put this thing together. thank you guys so much. [applause] >> hi, guys. on the secretary of florida, and i'm the chair of -- [applause] thank you guys. i'm the chair of the memorial subcommittee, and today i want to express my heartfelt appreciation to our committee members, our diligent researchers, and our video expert who is also a candidate. i don't know how she found the time. she put together a wonderful presentation. also suzanne gilmore, our

unofficial official wizard who helped me find a lot of people. their dedication and expertise helped us honor a lot of our activists. we have lost a lot of great people the past couple years. i would like to offer special thanks to karen, who entrusted me with leading this amazing team, and she also helped me recruit our rockstar members. she is truly an inspiration and one of the hardest working people in the libertarian party. [applause] and, of course, i would like to thank all of you who reached out to us and helped us make sure we did not forget anybody. you really helped us memorialize those people who we have recently lost, and we could not have done it without you. as we reflect on the lives and legacies of libertarians from many walks of life, it's important we remember that despite our diverse background,

the paths we take or the caucuses we support, we are united in our commitment to liberty. i encourage everyone to explore and contribute to the extended biographies of these individuals. our parent committee and historical preservation committee is dedicated to preserving and celebrating our rich libertarian history, and ltv is a vital part of that effort. finally, i would like to mention several individuals we could not include in our video but who are equally deserving of recognition today. nelson barnhouse from georgia, jason etchevaria from florida, tiffany madison of texas, and darrell honor of pennsylvania, who just passed away a couple days ago. now i would like to bring mark out for a moment.

>> thank you, lisa. i'm from new york. i want to thank the committee. i want to thank lisa. i want to thank the libertarian committee for this opportunity to be up here. it is a particular -- it is particularly difficult to speak on this podium after dr. paul because he is such a great spokesperson for liberty, but if you will indulge me for a minute, i will tell you a story about another one who i knew very well. many of you knew becky akers from her writing. she also wrote a couple of historical novels. back in 2002 when we were researching the benedict arnold book, of course, we went everywhere that benedict arnold went. one of the places we went to, there was a reenactment at saratoga. we watched the battle for a while and then decided to go to the british camp, and of course,

you cannot leave the camp completely unattended, so i left the corporal there. he is sitting in the major's chair, smoking the major's pipe, having a good time, and he gets into a heated discussion with becky. the first thing he says is you hang nathan hale. he says, you hang major andre. this photo, without leaving character, said, sir, control your winch -- this fellow, without leaving character, said, sir, control your wench. to which i wish i could say, but only if i could. becky did not stop for a minute. [applause] thank you all. that's very meaningful to me.

she is asleep in this t-shirt. liberty and death. it just was so typical of her. now i understand we have a wonderful video that lisa and the committee have put together. thank you. ♪ >> [indiscernible] ♪

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>> thank you, everyone, and thank you to the committee who put that video together. i appreciate us taking the time to honor those individuals. i'm going to check to see if we are ready to share any vote tallies. totals, rather.

are we still turning in ballots? thank you so much.

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