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bruno . i am calling from the perspective of a young [no audio] >> there we go. all right. all right, let's roll welcome, everybody. i'm dave rubin, host of he rubin report." it takes a lot to get me out of the state of florida, but i got a call from these guys saying let's talk immigration and i thought it would be an interesting opportunity for me. in the 10 or so years i have been doing my show, i mostly known for talking about free

speech and big tech, the culture wars. but something clearly has shifted, at least in the american psyche -- we will talk about the europeansyche as well, but as it pertains to immigration in the last year, i did a cursory look at the youtube channel before we started. i would say that almost half of our biggest videos in the last year are immigration related, which is particularly interesting to me. i didn't consider immigration something that was top of mind to me. everyone seeing these now endless videos that youseeing om media. you see them on fox news, but not as often on cnn, msnbc's, other places, of countless illegal immigrants,ig whatever word or phrase you want to use, crossing the border, we don't know where they are coming from, what the intentions are, how they can fit into our culture, if they want

to fit into our culture,pidly c. more and more people are dd this. a few months ago we had robert f kennedy on my show. six months ago he went down to the southern border and he did a silty video where he will was standing in front of some portion of the border fence and he was asking people where they were coming from and he counted something like 20erent countries like 80 people walking by him and even rfk, a lifelong liberal, the main kennedy, obviously, deep within the democratic party, no longer a democrat, i think that that was one of the wake-up's for him to realize how radical one of the parties here in america has become and what a threat to the nation this unfettered immigration is. it's somewhere between 7 million and 10 million illegals. it's completely unsustainable.

we all know that. has thing to do with racism, bigotry, or anything else. the immigration topic has become something that i talk about on the show all the time, i'm very interested in. especially in the light of the world events host october 7, it's something everybodybe thin. we need to know who is in our country. it's that. you cannot have a country if you don't have orders. our european friends, we will get into this in just a bit. post allowing some people in, they had cultural issues, crime issues, social service issues and a litany of other that's what we are diving into for the next hour or so here. i'm going to briefly introduce our panelists and let them say a word about themselves. match powers to my left ear is the founding board member of the eu u.s. forum and senior white

house advisor to the u.s. department of state. matt, we will kick it off with you. just a bit about yourself. matt: thank you so much, thank you for leaving one swamp to visit another one briefly. thank you, everyone, for joining us today. you might be wondering why we are here. why do we care about what's happening in europe? the on the fact that they are having elections in a couple of weeks, we know that if you look at the policies in the united states, where they generated, where it started, mof it started in the european union. much of them got their origins in europe. crushing farmers and innovation, immigration policies that i know we will dive. we started the forum to be a watchdog on those policies in order to actually ensure that americans were aware of the same type of policies coming out of brussels.

we can keep and i on them when they are utilized by the far left here in the united states to indoctrinate and permeate the policy apparatus here in the u.s.. that is why we are here and i just appreciate all of you joining us and the incredible panel that we have and thank you for being with us. dave: my pleasure. chad wolf, former acting secretary of the department of homeland security. chad: also executive director of the america first policy institute, that's what i do during the day. this is an important topic, border security. that is an important distinction. we often talk about immigration, immigration, immigration to describe what's going on here in the u.s., along the border, even in the eu member states. that's border security and not necessarily immigration. people who think of immigration, they think of illegal immigration d how folks come in into different countries and that is certainly one aspect,

but what we are experiencing in the u.s., then you, and in border countries, you need to solve that with a of solutions than perhaps immigration solutions. i like to talk about those things differently. be it border security■! or immigration, it's one of the top 1, 2, or three issues most americans care about in the lead up this is an important topic. during my time in the trump administration, we interacted a lot with our foreign counterparts in the eu and elsewhere, so i have firsthand knowledge. as we look at what we should do with refugees and things of that nature, i got to see the progressive policies up close and personal, dealin with them on a day to day basis. dave: joe grogan is the senior advisor of the eu u.s. forum.

former assistant to the president. joe: thank you for having me, it's a privilege to see matt and chad again, who with in the trump administration. i spent my time in london and in washington, d.c., and a lot of the issues that we see in the united states are occurring all over europe. not just in the united kingdom. it's not just bad ideas that can come to the it states. i think there is a tremendous amount of phone meant, anger, and frustration throughout europe and the united kingdom around immigration, just as we see here in the united states. it really is a major cultural issue, for americans to see this and see other countries being d. it's not even -- it's not by design then absolute incompetence. i remember one of the previous biden administration chief of staff, ron klain, was on cnn

when the border was melting down , and had the audacity to say that we don't know what to do, we are soliciting ideas on how to get this under control. chad wolf is a phone call away and there's a bunch of other trump administration people who achieved quite essence on thed) border by the time president trump left office. so, it's a pleasure to be here to talk about immigration today and i look forward to working with them on a host of issues that affect europeans and the united states. dave: and we have the director for tech policy from the united nations. >> i think i'm here to add more color about what counterterrorism looks like terrorism rats look like. i spentng back and forth to afghanistan i as a civilian intelligence officer working with pier 1 special operations units to

fight the terrorism problem. when i was here at home, we were working the terrorism issue as well with a particular issue on the terrorists that wanted to come here and blow up things here in our homeland and preventing them from doing so by going over there. now this is what i see as the administration is either ignoring, as you say, through incompetence, or let's just leave it at that. the idea is that they are exposing the citizens of the united states toorist activity. as we have seen with these data points -- has anyone seen the news stories of the chesaning -- chechnya and army offi homes? it's a matter of if, not when, given the people crossing the

border on the terror watch list. we are doing a disservice to everyone, people who did vastly more overseas than i, and to every young american that we sent over there to keep them from conducting terrorist attacks here. we are doing them a disservice by letting these people walk over the border with impunity. that is something that i think doesn't get talked about enough. it does not have enough visibility in the press. i'm really grateful for the eu forum for bringing this to the fore, because mark my words, this is the national security imperative of the next few years. dave:2b■/ last but not least, js cara found out is the senior advisor to the president at the heritage foundation. james: thank you for sticking me on the far right, i feel very comfortable here. [laughter] i spend most of my time at the heritage foundation traveling a

lot of europe and latin america. i think that understand is the tremendous trsformaonrvative populism massive political force in europe. in latin america there are many traditional conservative voices. i tell americans that you have to understand, there are people in europe and latin america you have more in common with them people in california and new york. people say -- that's nice, but the, the progressive agenda that really is the alternative vector to the future we are looking at is really woeful. that is -- to comba that, the like-minded countries and populations around the world that share alternative views, they have to work together on this. there is no issue, none, not one issue that unites conservatives, particularly in europe and latin

america, more than the issue of immigration and security. dave: matt, let me start with you, an offshoot of something that james just said, you guys put out pulling recently saying that the number one issue for people in europe right now is the immigration issue. first off, i take it you are not surprised by tyou think it wille coming election? matt: dramatic impact. a lot of these issues are the cornerstone of what we focus on. we pulled france, germany, the netherlands. we asked "are you more concerned today that you were previously about government censorship?" over 60% saiyes. we asked "are you concerned that radical policies and restrictions on energy will be a national security issue?"

something we have in the u.s., over something -- 60% said yes. we asked "do their need to be stronger controls on border security and illegal migration?" said yes, the only one■ú ler was italy, that was high 50's, where you have the right time to make changes now. when you look at the support levels for political parties, it's impart because of the policies of these issues. we know that many of the governance , they have failed to address these court issues and they are looking for a change. and a contortion of the right is

expected to gain a it wasn't■i entirely surprising. many of these stories are similar to the stories we are hearing here in the u.s., talking about the crime committed by illegal migrants. especially those they lead. studies show that 77 percent of rapes been committed those there illegally. these are stories statist them , but they are impacting the everyday lives of citizens and europe's -- europe. joe mentionedincompetence.

any chance that any of this is incompetence at this point, europeor the united states , that these people civilly do not know what they are doing? chad: they have talked about that plan and are talking about executing that plan for the last three and a half years. there are similarities here and in the states, in the eu, where they talk about designing border security and emigration systems consistent with american values or europ great, but let's take a look at what those values are. as far as i can tell, a couple of the values out of step with the american citizenry and the european is they believe anyone should come to the u.s. or eu, despite what the immigration law says, that they have a right to claim asylum. in u.s. law, that's not right. it is a discretionary authority. if you are here, you should not

be removed under almost any circumstance. itouch with the american public and we see it of here in the u.s., the worst is sort border crisis we've ever seen's why most are talking about it, and similarities of what they have experienced in the eu, going back, they still have these policies. member states, it's funny, they are pushing back. a they understand the consequences of it. if they are on the front lines, they want more border security and stricter controls. i think that you see a push pull their, much like what you see here in the states. look at the state of texas d what the governor there is trying to do to secure his border becse the federal government in this case has refused to do that. you have push and pull you do with number countries in the eu. answer your question, it is a plan they have had.

ught it would spiral out of control as much as it has here in the u.s., but it certainly, they talk about the issue, the issue press releas on it. they are proud of the unlawful use of parole authority and how many they are bringing into the country each and every month. this is not something they have stumbled into, this has been a plan. dave: follow-up, if you had your old gig back, what would be one thing you could do, would do, if you could walk into the office to stem some of this, what would it be? chad: it's an easy question but difficult to answer. it's not just one thing. you have to let law enforcement do their job. let the men and women of the border patrol secure the border. let the men and women of5a ice remove individuals, bring deterrence and consequence back to the system in addition to

other things that you need to do at the same time. you send a signal to the traffickers, the cartels and others that is this as usual will not be the case moving forward. we are going to disrupt and design a system that will cut down on your trafficking and your smuggling enterprises. joe, what would you say the similarities and differences are between the united states and what's happening in europe? joe: this month it will have been 100 years since the u.s. passed a comprehensive immigration crackdown. 1924, the foreign-born population was a little over 14%. now it's almost 16%. consistent with american values we said the situation cannot continue. we passed a law to dramatically restrict the amount of immigration in the united states. that was illegal immigration that needs to be dealt with. in the past 18 months we have

had so much illegal immigration that perhaps 60% of the people in t now newly arrived are here illegally and we have all of the attendant crime associated with an open border and the illegal immigration that isn't being enforced, to chad's point. i think the similarities are that the elite, for too long, lied to the population about what they were doing and of the consequences of what they were doing and tried to convince people to trust them. that there were nodifferences, g crime. that this was consistent with values. that the european values and american values, well, law is consistent with european values. consistent with american valuese of those populations has just

run out. the dependency upon social service programs, the rise and lawlessness here and in the united states, this absurd situation of luxury hotels in new york city being filled up, petitions being delivered to the mayor of denver with demands on the part of immigrants. think about the libertarian nderland the united states was in 1924, versus all of the services we have now, all the nd administration to entice people to come here. i think that the populations have, the general populations have just had enough of being lied to and the generosity of spirit has finally broken. they he to have this stopped because their quality of life as deteriorated so much, and their faith in elected leaderso addres honestly has been exhausted.

dave: kara, if it was not for alt media, i would say the numbers in terms of polling would be very different. it's only because of youtube, rumble, these alternative platforms, that people are seeing these videos. ast offers us some sort of horizon to see that people are at least waking up to getting information as opposed to turning to anes stream media that told us six months ago that there was no problem. kara: what steve osa of the mainstream media? don't believe your eyes and ears. there have been some really intrepid reporters that have gone down and had these videos that propagated on these platforms looking at the overrunning of the texas national guard. that was something where i watched that video on x, now part of our alternative platform because of elon musk, with a big

user base at this point, a free-speech platform, one of the only ones. being able to see that, it sort of signals what americans are experiencing in their daily lives. on a personal note, my grandmother is from mexico, my grandfather from latin america -- latin american extraction in el salvador. there used to be the whole this point, and it goes with the terrorism and counterterrorism apparatus that should be working against us at this point, where you have people coming in saying -- no, i'm going to retain everything about the country i voluntarily left and bring it over here instead of embedding within the social fabric of america. i think it we saw that in europe. iemember listening to those sob stories from the bbc, the migrant votes -- boats in the

mediterranean, and even with my background i was like -- help those people out. we have po of west palm beach saying that someone trying to claim asylum was trying to, did manage to do it, lure an 11-year-old, committing crime after crime. you have reports from way back that venezuela was opening up their prisons and letting them come over here. now the daily wire says tre is a drop in crime in venezuela. correlation doesn't always equal causation, but this matters. the more that we can expose this, the better, but we are still not there yet. the problem is only growing. chad: that's an important point that kara brings up. 20 years ago, the type of folks coming here, even illegally, were very different. carrying american flags, eager to be a part of the u.s.. today you see something very different. a lot of them enter the u.s.

carrying the flag of their country. they are upset when border patrol does nopi within 20 minutes. upset when they don't do plane ticket, train ticket, bus ticket to their place of choice. housing and everything. there is an expectation that they are road something as they come into this country and in large part i think it is because of the policies, the campaign that we saw in 16, you know, for the last three and a half years. the types of individuals crossing, not all, but the vast majority are very different that we see today. along with that comes crime, a lot of violence and other things that i don't know that we saw 20 years ago. >> can i -- we talk about a lot of the problems that come from unstructured migration. crime, assimilation, services. we don't talk enough about the biggest national security threat

. it's actually not terrorism. everyone has heard of wmd. we don't talk enough about weapons of mass migration. this is an adversarial power intentionally putting a bunch of people on the road and enticing them into a country. part of the reason why the european numbers are, as you said, europe is seeing this happen to them. the russians hoovered up everyone in east asia and stuck them in belarus and said walk into poland with the idea that they would destabilize poland. we've seen them take masses of syrian refugees, countries in africa, saying -- if you don't pay us, we will take these aliens and send them to you. think about a scenario, for example, where china decide -- you know what? today is the day to take taiwan. one week before and they said let's just take somewhere -- take someone to send people

across the southern border. here's the other problem. chad knows this well. this is a major difference between the problem that chad faces and the problem that president biden has actually created. illegal migration to the united states is no longer about north south population shifts. what has happened under joe biden is alln trafficking root have rerouted to send people to the united states. you can go in the middle east, in asia, in africa, you can go to a travel agent and book your illegal entry into the united states. so, what's happening now is■1 we are seeing these organic roots -- routes created in places like venezuela where they got permanent population close from asia, africa, and the middle

east. if you just let that go, the numbers are overwhelming. we are going to be talking about tens of millions of people that could just walk into the united states. you have let yourself wide open for any adversarial power that wants to could put a bunch of people on the road and flood here. this is a huge number one problem. the number one thing that needs to happen, border security, kick people out, all that, but the first thing you have to do is you have got to shut down the global routes that are people into the united states. dave: to that point, as we mentioned earlier, police have n planet earhi, they are in western countries. n a hill that is so high for the help. what you think the thought process is? >> touches on something

secretary wilkie had just mentioned. go back to that debate stage in 2020 that joe biden was part of. they said by a show of hands how many of you would provide health care benefits to anyone who cross the border illegally. every single hand on that stage for president of the united states went up. it sent a loud and clear message to folks to give it your best shot and you'll be ok. yet what happened? you have human trafficking, you have drug trafficking. look at a state new hampshire. at the border is a state called lawrence. if you talk to anyone they will tell you that the number of the drugs that, cross that get into states like new hampshire.

those are the consequences■e we are seeing every single day with these narcotics trafficking and human trafficking because of this big live being told by politicians in the u.s. and europe. you are seeing the same thing in europe. had lunch with a european diplomat. we do not see all -- we do not cii. he was very candid and very forthcoming and he said because of what we are seeing right now, these folks do not necessarily live on planet earth but they do live under political pressure. if the voters start sending a message to politicians they are not going to accept the status quo they will have to be adaptive to it. i asked him what to expect in the eu elections?

he said conservatives may gain some seats in parliament. i said what will that change, will b both. i expected a bunch of lipservice. easy to adopt the rhetoric let alone employing the policy. i think europe wi gwe will get . for years european politicians have said we do not believe in walls and borders, that is only what certain countries do. we do not believe in that. the politics have gotten so bad that every politician, including those currently in office who have been ignoring it will start supporting some of the policies we know work. dave: chad, are you amazed that western countries seem unable to defend their own values and borders? i was in hungary and i met with victor aurburn who everyone says is this -- viktor orban who everyone says is this far right

maniac and off he talks about his he said he wants his country to be for hico that is a stark contrast the to the way he is portrayed in the media. chad: shocker. the legacy■■ media or trade someone on the right as a caricature or figure. we saw that with former president trump as well. countries -- leaders and policymakers that love their country want to secure their country and have national sovereignty, these are not extreme positions. if you go back 25 years ago these were positions most politicians in the u.s. and elsewhere embraced. it is only because the left and the progressive left that they d to paint -- if you want to have control over your borders, you want to actually that people coming in your country to understand where they are going and what the value is they provide to the country they are

coming from, these are not radical positions. if you afford to those who get painted as being radical. what i say to that is i am radical. matt talked about the polling. if you look at the majority of americans or eu folks, they want that. it could be a reaction to the far left and the progressions -- to the progressives and where these countries or could just be this is common sense to secure your and put immigration and security protocols in place so we know what is coming into the country so we do not have 100 thousand americans dying of fentanyl overdoses and we do not just sit there and say this a problem but i will not do anything about it. or if you are in the biden enforce any border controls, i will rely on mexico and other governments to do that.

it does not surprise me that legacy media paints policymakers and those who want to have some national sovereignty. >> i see the immigration issue, even when i'm am looking at my own audience, as the biggest wide tent issue right now. within the last five or six days donaldly in the bronx and even msnbcople why thy were there, they were not talking about -- a little bit about economics, but almost everybody was saying there are all of these new people in our neighborhood, the crime has gone up, they are getting social services. you see an opportunity for the right to widen the tent in a way that in the last three decades they have not been able to do? joe: i do.

to your point about what are somef the elites thinking, i think there were a lot of people who believed we could have open borders. globalism erasing nationalism will be great, these people are just like ourselves. there is a tail to that. the numbers and images have gotten so crazy, and the reality for a lot of these elites like bill ackman who watched what happens on ivy league campuses after october 7, i have to tell you as someone who has been concerned about this issue, i was shocked to see paraglider stickers on backpacks on college campuses and people celebrating the october 7 atrocities. so many foreign-born students. that is a change in the culture of those institutions that is so stark and taking so many people

inrom overseas without any concern about having different cultural values. look at how you can change institutions. they are overwhelmingly liberally dominated institutions , the professors are overwhelmingly liberal. they will be ideogical. you see the consequences of it and i think a number of elites are waking up to the consequences of this going on for so long. you can get away with a certain amount of lawlessness, a certain amount of dysfunctional legal immigration for a time, but when you have foreign actors who are taking advantage presidential candidates saying the doors open, we will give you anything for free you want, it will catch up to you. that is what the american people are witnessing. we are in incredibly generous peoplee credibly generous and so

appreciative of being here. everybody across the spectrum is just like this has gotten completely out of control, it has to be addressed. think it could be a fundamental realignment and create an opportunity for a crackdown on illegal immigration if you have a competent team who cared about e issue and also legal immigration. i think you could see something in the next few years. it is complicated to address all of the issues that need to be addressed, but i could see that happening. it is well overdue. let's stay on that point. how do we get these people, the bill ackman's, or the bill mars, the sam harris, the nonwoven liberals who understand these are -- the non-woke liberals who understand the repercussions. how do you get them to the finish line to vote the right way. i see lots of this always couched in i will not vote for trump. kara: there is a prestigious --

there is a prodigious amount of throat clearing that happens when they clear their throat. i am the worst person to ask because i have had anecdotally a friend who movedro florida and e amazing, another red voter, she was like what are you talking about, why would i vote red? they cannot seem to connect what they are seeing on the ground to their voting behaviors. maybe they will do it in secret so they still get invited to the midtown and georgetown cocktail parties, but i think, when it comes to exposing this, using torrents of information you do not see if you just watch the sunday shows, if you look at all those platforms. you look at what is happening in these groups signal chats. people are exposing and generating ideas and a lot of

whatis getting into law today are built on the backs of peers coming together, noticing a problem, speaking about it with peer-to-peer networks, using these technologies to speak quietly about it and then generating more momentum. that is a great thing. we should see more of it. i will talk about the terrorism thing. when you look at what the biden administration is prioritizing when they are talking about terrorism, they are not talking about the illegals who are caught on the navy base is coming from china there apprehended two to three times according to some reporting per week casing the joint. when they talk about terrorism, they are not talking about a microscopic on those guys. they are talking about people who go to traditional latineg ms in the richmond diocese. they are talking about people who sprea covid disinformation.

in the bulletin in february 2022 they said this was tantamount to they have their priorities wrong , but the more we can talk about it and be on stages like this, i think people are starting to wake up to get those elites over the finish line. they have been so insulated from the consequences of their ideologies that that hill is not that high. >> part of the problem why it is hard to close the deal is because it is hard to convince people that the strategy is a real thing. the real strategy is very simple. it is to create a right of global migration. that anybody in the world can go anywhere in the world they want because the consequences is national governments would be unabs you would have global governance. that is really the agenda.

it is hard to convince people that is true. it sound so fantastic. here is the proof of that. let's look at the united states. look at how american politics has changed over the last 30 years. 30 years ago immigration was the third rail of politics. you cannot get any democrat or republican onstage to debate this. the reason for that is immigration was different all over the country. everybody had different concerns. it was like just don't go there. then the democratic party said this is an opportunity for amnesty. you remember 20 years ago the democratic party in the united states said we want a secure border. they voted for the secure fence act. this was the deal, give us amnesty and we will secure the border. today you cannot find a democrat

that believes in securing the border is valid. what has driven that massive shift in policy direction? it is top-down. the reality is if you are on the left, you have to look in a mirror and say i have been played. they are immigrants, they are nt trying to be more humanitarian, they are not trying to give us more workers, they are driving ingenda that will hurt me as an american. that is a hard sell. it is like the guy who got scammed for millions of dollars before he realizes the russian girl is not really coming to america. that is the state of politics. i do not know how you break that. i think we have to keep talking about it. it is interesting what is going on in the u.k..

a key driver of the collapse of conservative support is their inability not to deliver on brexit but deliver on their promises to crackdown on immigration. the numbers we seeequally terrie number of illegal immigrants, the number of foreign-born who are on public assistance. i recently had lunch with a friend who had just flown in and had been on the london for eight hours, a businessman, not terribly involved in politics. he said to me i have not been here that long but it seems like the british have lost control of the city. i said what you mean by that? he said it does not seem like it is british. it does not seemhe said to likee -- it does not seem like the place is being run for the british. there is something else going on. i see a lot of ferarri's but i

do not see a capital of a british country and it was an interesting observation for someone who had just been in for a few hours. you hear that complaint all the time, including fromób immigrans who i talked to, immigrants to the u.k. who also admit things have gotten out of fact they cat control it and rishi sunak and the conservatives have not delivered on their promises to remove people who are there illegally and also keep more people from coming into the country. >> how do we get them to change their mind? it is tough. doing this and having folks on the right continue to talk about this, jim said it. it used to be the third rail. no one wanted to talk about immigration and that is why the leftapitalize and

paint a picture. it is importantnative way to do. we showed it during the trump administration. there are other ideas on how you secure a border and continue to be humanitarian and continue to allow legal immigration. i get painted as a racist and all this other stuff. i talk about the illegal immigration. how do you boil that down to individuals living in kansas and nebraska and others? where this really started to hit home in the u.s. and i think it is the same overseas is the impact on local communities. in and taking over a hotel or a condominium complex, the -- the african-american and black

community saying why will our tax collars -- why will our tax dollars benefit those just coming here? that is an america first approach. i was in yuma, arizona on the border recently.we talked aboutl system when they had the flood a year ago. their citizens cannot get hospital service. drive 100 miles away because of the influx of illegal immigrants. there is a lot of impact on local communities and that is a different way to look at. you can talk about the illegal activity. i'm concerned on the national security threat. that is what we should be concerned about. some people it does not hit them every day. what does impact them are things they are seeing in their communities. dave: the -- are you bullish on the united states ability to deal with this even if the federal government will not do

anything -- that the states -- florida, you takeover of road in florida, you takeover a road in florida and we found out they were illegal, they were there for 11 minutes. that is in stark contrast to washington to massachusetts. we have some built-in protections against some of the lawlessness. matt: first we have to get chad back into the job. it ties in with what they said before. the moment this changed as an issue in the united states fromt but a political standpoint is th abbott said this is no it is an american border we have to share. if you're coming from d.c., joe biden and secretary mayorkas will say there is not a problem. now you are seeing the outrage

from the rest of them because it is impacting their life just as much as the rangers on the souther who are waking up and trying to find out how many illegal immigrants have died from starvation or lack of water coming across that border. how many times are they finding bags of drugs dropped on their property on american soil because of illegal immigration? it is now becoming a national issue and you are seeing the same thing in europe. this used to be something everyone talked about with nations on the border of western europe, germany and italy. you're dousing it permeate throughout the rest of europe. that is why you are seeing the numbers you are seeing because people are experiencing this in their everyday lives. it is. when illegal immigrant attacked folks on a subway, it totally changes the mind of someone who lives in midtown.

it is now impacting their life every single day. it has grown from a regional problem to a national problem and that is why you're the polling the way it is. dave: since you mentioned some of the intent behind this, you mentioned russia and china, what should we be doing differently as relates to russia and china, either from an american perspective or european perspective? james: chad talked about what we can do to secure the border. what we do not talk about the knopp is giving people reasons to stay home. -- what we do not talk about enough is giving people reasons to stay home. if we look at china and russia an iran, they make in life hell for people and giving people reasons to leave. united states should be countering that by giving people a reason to stay and be a better partner for the u.s. and other countries. have you look at what the policies are, they're just throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire.

we could have a long discussion about foreign aid, which republicans have done, which is equally useless as we are just throwing money to oligarchs. this administration has the blessing of creating more reasons to put people on the road, other than just saying come here and claim asylum. the number one issue is energy. the brain transition means one thing if you live in africa, latin america, and asia. it means energy poverty. you're almost guaranteed never to get electricity to your village and almost guaranteed never to get a quality of life. is -- our economic policy, our energy policy, our regional policy -- we are helping set the world on fire.

several years ago they did a pew poll and they asked everyone in the people want to move to the united states if you could come in the answer was something like 2 billion. could you imagine 2 billion people in it the united states? that was before joe biden became president. there is almost no aspect -- i am not even a republican. there's almoston that is not throwing fuel on the fire of illegal immigration. it is not just our immigration and border security policy, it is our foreign policy and domestic pulse -- and domestic policy. dave: let me ask you all the same question. something that comes up on my show about is the cultural aspect of this. if we bring in people and we do not know what they are like -- the meme's they would become more like us.

we all became part of the melting pot. no one was given anything. it is the dream of humanity. that does not seem to be what this newrl generation or these w people are doing. you hit on that early. chad: i am italian. my grandparents moved to little italy. what may be think of it is a story about how london has changed. my parents moved to little italy , and if you are in little italy in the 1950's if you are in naples or little italy you cannot tell the difference. what did theant? to move out of the bronx and be with the rest of america. this model of assimilation and opportunity, that is the distinction. this is something we are destroying in the united states and this is something that has absently been destroyed in europe and something that/ iin e state has become dominant, the greater dependence on brussels,

the inability to innovate, the inability to live your life. exacerbating the problems. when these population show up, they are put into the system and there is no incentive to want to do something different. for my parents and grandparents -- it sounds trite, but is true -- the foundation of western thinking is flourishing comes from humans taking advantage of and the united states. what hapns is europe pioneered this. they pioneered suffocating the human spirit and opportunity and what we have done is joe biden has imported that the added states and put it on steroids. dave: why do you think we have not been able to sell that story better? you all nodded when i said the thing about grandparents. my great grandparents came from eastern europe and lived on the lower east side, have nothing.

over the generations each generation became more successful. why have we not been able to sell that story? kara: because we are uncomfortable making value judgment and being bold about them. wee were fighting in afghanistan. a lot of us who were there in some capacity will say the biggest mistake we made was transferring our set of values on the afghans by saying they just one freedom. remember that question mark george w. bush. at the heritage mat we went to the mat for that guy. i defended him with everything because i was like people just want justice and freedom. that is not always the case. sometimes they just want the enemy tried to be punished. saying that every set of people and civilization is like is an equal, that we should be able to say the united states is objectively better.

united states, our values, they are wonderful. as others have said in the state of the union retort, there is nowhere else left to go if we lose this place. o go. we need to be able as americans and as patriots, we need to be able to say my ancestors chose to come here because it is objectively better. what we doing how we allow for flourishing is better than the place w yemeni extraction speaking at a valedictorian podium saying you are a colonizer when everything i saw in the tech world biting the hand that feeds them when they thrive under this system. sovereignty is common sense.

i will paraphrase. america is we need to say it. america is good and many times better than the alternative. >> we have nowhere else to go. ain't it the truth. i live in miami. >> look at a border security system that prioritizes amer■2icans interest, meaning to say start evaluating folks that come here legally, what value add to they enter the country? are they assimilating? we have gotten so far away from that over the years and the decades. we need a fundamental re-understanding of how we do that legal immigration. how is it that we want to allow folks to migrate here, to get on their green cards, how are they

bettering not only u.s. citizens but the country? i think if you start with that, everythinge i think we've gottem that. there's a different way to look at all of the different programs we have. a lottery visa program that does not prioritize any of that. we have to deal with illegal immigration and migration, you have to bring sanity back to that. i do not think we see that under the biden administration and under some of the recent actions in the eu either. >> joe and then matt? joe: for too long people who talked about the danger of unfettered immigration allow them to be attacked as being racist and not in touch with american values. that delayed an honest discussion about these issues for too long. now we are in crisis mode here

and in europe and we have to have this conversation. to be willing to confront itbjectively and have an honest conversation. what is in the best interest of the united states. ilan omar's district was not like that for years ago. how can you see that district turning to a sensible representative? that was a result of immigration and result of people who do not want to be assimilated into american society. people who are content to have an enclave unto themselves. that is being talked about in london. there is a leader of the muslim community talking about the fact london will be majority muslim very soon and it will be gone. we need to lead and speak about these things frankly and not be cowed. dave: matt, give us a white pill

to end. i always try to end my show on a positive note and with immigration it can be sticky. matt: i think change is coming. the numbers in europe and the numbers in american polling, hope is coming, changes coming, folks have woken up. will finally have elected leaders who put the interests of theiso nations ahead of what is the best interest for the rest of the world. every single citizen has the right to expect from the leaders with the right to represent them. that is what will see a lot more. dave: i look forward to hearing all of you and third for you watching at home and your the mayflower. we shall see, i suppose. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024]

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