host: good morningve thursday, . the hush money case against former president trump is now in the hands of the jury. seven men and five women will decide whether mr. trump will become the first former president to be convicted of a crime. this morning, we want to know from you do you trust the american jury system. if you say yes, dial in at 202-748-8000. if you say no, 202-748-8001. if you've served on a jerry, we want to get your story from you, call us at 202-748-8002. any attorneys with trial experience we want to hear from you at 202-748-8003 all of you can join us via text include

your first name, city and state at 202-748-8003 or on facebook.com/c-span and you can also post on x. with the jerry in the hush money case set to have a second day of deliberations starting at 9:30 a.m. this morning, we want to know from you here in our first an jury system. you can begin dialing in and we will take your thoughts in a minute. the recent poll that was done that ask the same question of americans and they found of all adults, 15% said they trust the american jury system a great deal while 39 percent said a moderate amount. 26% said a little and 12 and eight purse -- 12% said not at all, 8% said not sure.

when they ask that same question, a percent of republicans said a great deal while 41% of republicans said a moderate amount, 27% said a little and 13% said not at all. compare that to independence and democrats who are pretty much the same, the majority of those along political system a moderate amount. what is your what are your thoughts on that this morning? we want to hear from you. the jury deliberated for more than four hours yesterday and that hush money case, they were given instructions by the judge on what they needed to consider in this case. we had from the former president before the jury began those deliberations yesterday. this is what he had to say. [video clip] >> very conflicted and corrupt

because of the confliction, very corrupt. mother teresa could not beat these charges. these charges are rigged. the whole thing is rigged. between the borders and faye collections and you have a trial like this with the judge is so conflicted he can't breathe. he has to do his job, it's a disgrace and i mean that. mother teresa cannot beat these charges. we will see how we do. it's a very disgraceful situation. every single legal scholar and expert said there's no case,ou't certainly wouldn't have been brought seven years ago not in the middle of a presidential election. this judge contributed to joe biden. there's far worse than that but i'm not allowed to talk about it because i have a gag order. far worse than that, one thousand times worse than that.

but i can talk about it. it will be talked about but i'm knocking to talk about it. it will be talked about in history■u books, what's happenig here is weaponization to a level no one has seen before ever. host: former president trump outside the courtroom yesterday before the jury began deliberation. this morning we are asking you do you trust the american jury system. why do we have a jerry? that is the question and something we want you to talk about this morning as well, our founding fathers put it in the constitution. the judge in the hush money case gave the jury very specific instructions. these are some of the instructions. your verdict on each count you consider whether guilty guilty must be unanimous in guilty however, you need not be unanimous on whether the

defendant committed the crime personally or by acting in concert with another or both. on those instructions the former president took issue. untrue social he wrote it is ridiculous, unconstitutional and un-american the highly conflicted radical left judge is not requirg unanimous decision on the charges against me brought by soros backed d.a.. a third world election for interference hoax is what he has to say. the washington post writing about the former president comments on truth social. the judge said the jury must be unanimous whether trump is guilty or not guilty of each specific falsifying business records counts and whether he did so in an effort to unlawfully impact an election. that's what the judge said. he added however the panel did not have to be unanimous about which of those three types of crimes could serve as underlying

violations that bring the state election charge. so a complicated case and it is now up to seven men and five women to decide. we want to know this morning do you trust the american jury system. james in elk grove, california you say yes. why do you say yes? >> the jury has been chosen and they have had all the information at hand and i trust the judicial system. trump is the one who did all of those things, but he is trying to say the joe biden, and it doesn't have anything to do with joe biden. it's just what he did as a president. this is one of the first trials that has happened so far.

so yes i do trust in the judicial system. he will have to wait to see what they say. host: sharon in fairfax, virginia. why do you say no? ca the whole thing is rigged. host: why is it rigged? caller: changes and is going along. did you ever -- have you ever seen a judge make up rules as he went along? host: what rules has he made up? caller: he's guiding the jurors. host: by giving them instructions? caller: instructions either he did it or he didn't do it. the whole -- the whole thing is rigged. their witnesses are rigged. we are listening to people who get on stand on live who have been convicted of lying -- lying

, he's been put in prison for perjury, these are our witnesses? what are you talking about? host: what evidence do you have that this is rigged? >> what evidence do you have? host: i'm not saying it, you are. caller: what evidence do you have to make it seem like this is going right? tell me what evidence you have. host: you made a statement. caller: they are trying to keep trump from running in the election. they are afraid that he just might be -- that he might beat biden. they won't let this happen fairly. host: sylvia does not trust the american jury system, sylvia, you say yes. caller: i trust the system even though we have left and right and middle, i really do, i was

listening to the judge's instructions and they's -- for them not to have the instructions with them so it's not really ai think we just neey about it and let them lead and i think god can touch even people that are on the left. so i'm not a bit worried. host: on the judge's instructions to the jerry. here are some of the key all of them and he did tell the jury the people must prove beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the crimes. you cannot hold it against the former president for not testifyi they can consider whether an witness hopes to receive a benefit related to the trial or if they have an interest in how the case ends. so they can consider that. t the former president on michael coh's

testimony alone because he is an accomplice, but they can use his evidence if corroborated with other evidence. jury must be unanimous if ind trump guilty on each count, on whether he committed the crime personacted in concert with others or both and they must determine if mr. trump consto promote someone or prevent them from public office by unlawful means. those are some of the key instructions to the jury and yesterday the jury went bendfor over four hours. they will be back again today in the new york city courtroom. this morning we are asking you do you trust the american jury system. in miami you served on jerry. do you trust to jury system? given your experience? caller: in my experience yes,

i'm a retired federal worker and i work in criminal cases but i want to tell you something, what this judge is is a farce. even if they find him guilty, it's good to be overturned and everyone knows it. i have been watching people like other people who were former -- former attorneys and what this judge did is unbelievable. allowing to testify on the defense. they put up someone who was

ridiculous. host: you trust the jerry but don't trust the judge? caller: they know and this judge knows he's very much into the democratic party. he and his daughter and everyone knows that they are out to get trump no matter what. but you know what, he is can a win anyways. host: ok, the thoughts they're saying she doesn't trust the judge. we are, to go on to danny in walterboro, south carolina and danny says no, good morning to you. caller: someone on the jury needs to say he's not guilty. thank you. host: lester in tuscaloosa,

alabama. lester you say yes, why do you trust the american jury system? caller: how are you doing this morning. host: good morning. caller: donald trump every day gets up there talking about the judge is crooked and all of this stuff. donald trump is the most crooked man alive today, he's almost like al capone. and does the dirty work but doesn't want to pay the consequences. the thing is with donald trump, 80% of the american people dislike this man. he's not american. donald trump likes to play around with putin. the american people, especially our veterans. if you're a veteran in voting for donald trump you need to go back to the military when you saluted that flag. i just don't understand it, but our american system is great.

donald trump is the problem. he is the problem. i hope he gets his day in court. if he is so guilty, why doesn't he testify. he could have gotten on that stand but he's a coward like most of these republicans, they are coward and un-american. have a great day. host: we lost lester. question for all of you then, why do you think it's a good decision to put this in the hands of the jerry? the 12 people that have sat for weeks and listened to this evidence, why do all of you if you believe and trust in the american jury system why do you think it's a good idea to leave it up to them. candace in texas you served is that right? served on a jury. caller: yes i've been on a jury. host: given your experience, do you trust the jury system? caller: i trust the jury system

but not this particular jerry. if you reach across america and asked the common person, not somebody who's politically connected, not somebody's been to law school they will all tell you what's being done is an injustice. this should not even be in the court system right now. host: why? caller: seven years, a statute of limitations is up. the common american knows that. so why can you pick and choose and change the law to suit you? that's what the democrats are doing right now. host: ok. candace's thoughts there in texas. scott -- gus in ohio, good morning. what is your answer here? caller: this is the way i look at it. this is all we have. why trust the jury system, yes because that's what we have. these people who call up, these right-wing republicans call up

and they are scared that they might find donald trump guilty. they don't know the jury, they do not know theey just go by what donald trump says, how he insults the judge and the jury. that's not the way to get things done. the systems that we have now is the only system we have. and it works. what other system would you have? a bunch of judges getting together and making decisions. what happens at the supreme court. so i do trust common american people to make good judgment. by what the evidence says. thank you. host: joyce vance who has experience as a federal prosecutor writes on the brennan center's website can we trust to

the jury in trump's manhattan trial? she says in her piece saying how best to decide who is guilty of committing a crime until 1641 when it was abolished, a group of consisting of members of the kings counsel in england when people were considered powerful for ordinary courts under suspicion. you can guess how that ended. in corruption. our founding fathers figured to leave behind a trappings of a system where kings were above the law established a jury system for civil and criminal trials, leaving decisions about who was guilty a o of defendant. in practice there are some instructions about jury's verdict, oj simpson and kyle rittenhouse acquittals, the conviction of the central park five. these cases present important issues but they are also outliers. she goes on to writehis about

her experience. after 25 years of service as a federal prosecutor, i continue to have confidence in the jury system, the manhattan d.a.'s case against trump is a complicated one. with important regards on circumstantial evidence. to decide whether to believe it. they will also need to decide which witnesses they believe and in order to convict on felony charges they will have to agree that the prosecution has established with the false statement recos were■ created to steal or assist in another crime. if cases are obvious or easy they can resolve with a plea agreement. when there is a dispute over the facts, someone has to decide where the truth lies in whether a guilty verdict is warranted we could leave the prayers -- in the hands of the judge, the king or the star chamber. we do not. we have the lives and liberties

of the people in this country to the collective wisdom of jerry's. do you agree or disagree with the writing on the brennan center's website? curtis in baltimore served on a jury. tell us your experience. caller: good morning. i was calling because i wanted to say first of all after all the decades and centuries of the jury that's been used in the united stas, after all the false claims the new york central five, now he is getting a taste of karma. in that case, those gentlemen really were innocent, but to continue with donald trump, and the rest of the party that follows him. everything they want to blame on

the democrats arid and i'm not a democrat, i'm an independent. i'm voting for larry hogan by the way in maryland. , but i just want to say i trust the jury, i believe it's good to be a mistrial because it's can be a hung jury because i believe one or two people on the jerry that will not find trump guilty. they may already know that. host: who already knows that? caller: that lawyer knows it, donald trump's team knows it. you know that there is somebody on that jerry that's knocking to find him guilty. just because of the political -- the politicians were the political stuff that goes on with the republicans and the democrats, the republicans blaming -- donald trump raining the democrat -- blaming the democrats for all the mishaps.

i chael cohen is telling the truth even though he was convicted of not telling the truth in the court of law. i believe he was donald trump's fixer. because i don't believe that man had no reason to get up there and live for donald trump who he went to prison for. host: debra lezz hear from you in indiana. you say no, good morning. caller: good morning. i've been watching the whole trial and i don't have a bone in this fight, but the jerry, i agree with the article. i'm praying that the jury is not looking at this political favoritism, this is not the teacher's pet, this is something

that we all need, we need a jerry, the process is gone, but we need the jerry to look the facts, to look at the crime, look at the facts, look at the crime. if the jury comes back with a guilty or a not guilty, that is going to destroy us. they are going to have to -- they can come up with a verdict. they can -- host: you think it needs to be a hung jury then? caller: yes, it has to be because we are in a climate of political favoritism. i favor their republicans, my sister favors the democrats. i'm interested in the policy but we haven't gotten to the policies yet.

we have to get out of the favoritism to get to the policy. a hung jury would help us. host: deborah's thought in indiana. the sixth amendment reads this saying in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shal enjoy theht to a speedy and public trian impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district ascertained by law to bely informed of the natu and because of the accusat to be confronted with the tnesses againstto have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense, that's the sixth amendment of the u.s. constitution and this morning we are asking all of you do you trust the american jury system? this jerry, the seven men and five women in the new york hush

money trial, a little bit about them from the new york times. they write that they are from neighborhoods, different neighborhoods of the nation's largest city and hold a wide variety of jobs, representing a cross-section of manhattan. many have degrees and the panel may be aided by the two members who are lawyers, though nayar -- neither appears of criminal ex nothing about criminal law. just a little bit about this jerry, who today will start their second day of deliberations. rick in san antonio, you are an attorney, do you have experience in a criminal court? caller: here's the reason i don't trust the legal system. i've lived out here in san antonio, i got a terrible problem with sam houston. joint base antonio houston, they are cranking 47 db satellite

dish noise through most of the city and have been doing it for 14 months. and they refused to quieted. i have a sound level meter i bought. i've been reading this. host: does that have anything to do with the jerry. we will move on. caller: 1000% i trust a jerry as serving as a juror myself, you have to be objective and logical. this is not an up down vote based upon political lines. to look at the evidence, the evidence is crucial. and the people who are supporting donald trump are just parroting what he says without even thinking for themselves. so i'm taking a bet that there are 34 counts, out of those 34 counts, 25 guilty, plus or minus

two. so i do trust the system being a former juror myself and it goes across all kinds of spectrums that they will make the right decision and it will be just. and as a formers been a plaintiff in court, i trust the legal system. host: this is from the washington post this morning. do jurors have to reach the same verdict on all 34 counts. they do not. it is possible the jurors could find mr. trump guilty on some counts not guilty on others. they could also reach a verdict on some counts and deadlock on others. trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. the indictments break that down -- break them down relating to false invoices, checks and ledger records by the trump organization.

if the juror finds trump guilty, they also decide the sentence? no. jurors do not decide the sentence. they are simply tasked with deciding whether he is guilty or not guilty of the charges he faces. if they do not find trump guilty, the judge -- if they do find trump guilty, the judge will decide the sentence. most likely a hearing to be held at a later day. for such a hearing the prosecutors, defense and potentially probation office would tell the judge what they think the sentence should be. such hearings, a few weeks or months after a guilty verdict is handed down. mr. trump is expected to appeal any conviction which would be a lengthy process. jerry in new jersey. our question this morning, do you trust the american jury system, how do you answer it? caller: i do not. i'm looking here at the legal information institute and it says the reason judges should

recuse themselves. financial interest, well he's got a lot of financial interests. personal bias. host: we are listening. personal bias. caller: which we know he's donated to the biden. personal relationship. we know that the judge has personal relationship with the biden administration, his daughter is making millions. the judge previously expressed his opinion that you know he hated trump, so all of these should be why he recused himself according to the legal information institute. yet why has he, of all the judges, i think there were 25 to pick from and he of course wasn't even on the list and how did they get him? i don't understand that. host: what about the ethics committee that looked intodaughe

other claims that he was bias and the ethics committee said that they did not believe he was and that he could serve as a judge in this case? caller: what about the financial interest? isn't his daughter making a lot of money. that's not a bias, a personal bias, he donates to them. i'm just surprised that he didn't recuse himself. why would that be when he's got every single reason in the legal information institute that says that. host: because you don't trust the judge is that why you don't trust the jerry? caller: i don't trust the jury because they are all democrats. we all know that. everybody knows that. even europe and other countries are making fun of us. when you look at the history,

putin, stalin, mussolini, pol pot, castro, hitler's, they are all people that had their opponents arrested and prosecuted and now biden is on that list. this is just mind boggling. and the statute of limitations is up. how can they ignore financial interests, personal bias, personal relationships, prior expression of opinion. 80's over the time limit. and the legal information institute says that. how can he not recuse himself. host: mary's thoughts in new jersey. media matters, the liberal organization that tracks the media writes this, that fox news has relentlessly assailed the judge in this case, since the beginning of former president trump's manhattan criminal trial, fox news figures and

guests have repeatedly challenge the integrity of the judge residing over the case. throughout the duration of the trial figures on fox news have lobbed at least 220 such attacks suggesting the judge has an anti-trump biased and that the fix is in is a quote. attacked his handling of the case is supremely biased claiming the judge should have recused himself. wanda in california served on a jury. do you trust the jury system? caller: not this jerry. host: tell us why. caller: and not this judge a eir because he vowed to get trump when he was running for office. and he's doing it. and besides, that lady that just spoke, she took my thunder. i agree with her on everything. but the statute of limitations is over with, it's past and under normal circumstances this

would be a misdemeanor in a civil court, not a felony. it's a kangaroo court. i think that stormy daniels is the one who should be on trial because she is a blackmailer. since when is it illegal to pay off a blackmailer? host: so do you trust other juries? or not? do you not trust the system at all or is it just this case. caller: when it comes to politics is when i have doubts. host: so then who should decide this case if not a jerry? caller:■( nobody because the statute of limitations has passed. there shouldn't be in court. >> robert in franklin, indiana, good morning to you. you say yes.

caller: good morning. i'm a reagan republican. there's a few of us out here who believe in the rule of law. the jury system instruct -- is as the bible which instructs us to take the common people or congregation to judge matters, n■ot the high officials but the common people. in the last time i checked as much as donald trump complains about new york, he is still headquartered there and this conspiracy was hatched out of trump tower in new york, that's why we have a new york jerry. -- new york jury. there are politics involved, but running for president and complaining about politics is like playing tackle football and

complaining somebody bump you. if you're good to run for president this is why you should have someone with good solid character and good values. if you're going to choose someone that has raped, or someone convicted of fraud, this is what you are going to get. and the sooner we stop digging in this hole. somebody has to stop digging. the sooner we get this republican party turned around. i don't believe anything on this planet is perfect, but the jury system is as old as the bible. host: robert there in franklin, indiana. ronnie in kentucky served on a jerry. tell us about your experience and whether or not you tst this. caller: good morning to you. i kind of believe and how this juries can operate.

, if they would look at trump like they would look at us. we are not a politician. if they look at him like that, like a regular person instead of a politician, he will be hung straight out. if they look at him as a politician, he will get a slap on the wrist, he will get probation and that'll be it. , but if he doesn't shut up after all of those -- after he gets out of the courtroom and comes out here and starts talking to the press, he is showing me he's guilty of all charges.

the problem? caller: that's my biggest thing is he showing his upper hand and he's guilty. host: from the new york times. if convicted, mr. trump would face a sentence ranging from probation to four years in prison, although he would be certain to appeal a process -- which is a process that could take years. michael in brooklyn, yes, you trust the jury system. caller: absoly i will just say e responses that i hear from the no side seem to be politically and racially motivated. i don't really think they care about that in truth. you can know because none of the complaint about the judges on the supreme court rule who ruled

in trump's favor or judge cannon down in florida. when they call here this morning and say they don't trust the jury, because they are democrats, they are telling you that if he was tried in a republican state like he is in florida, they will be glad to let him get away because he's their guy. host: carol in georgia. tell us about your experience on a jury. caller: good morning, thank you for letting me take this call. i do trust a jerry, i served on two and i don't trust this jerry. -- jury. i think it's kind of rigged. host: how so? caller: the judges given money to the biden administration. his daughter has raised millions of dollars for them. the judge has given the jury and

almost impossible instructions. i worked in the superior court here. host: before you gone, why are those impossible instructions? explain. caller: he gave them here are your choices, you can have a unanimous verdict. here are your choices per you can pick one. that isn't how it's supposed to be. you're supposed to be given your crime number one in the beginning of the trial prayed that was never done. so now here we are, now you can just -- here's your choices. host: these are his instructions. your verdict on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty must be unanimous. so the verdictbe unanimous. in order to find the defendant guil howev need not be

unanimous on whether the fe crimes personally or by acting in concert with another, or both. caller: i hear what you're saying. the other reason is the prior president never. the chance to present his witness. the judge denied him the right for his witness to be heard. i don't know where that comes from. and the judge never gave the president his rights to defend himself by knowing what the other crime is. that's the sixth amendment denial. host: clarence is an attorney in south carolina. share your thoughts with us this morning. caller: good morning. the jury system -- one of the problems with judicial system is

when people are selected as jurors, a lot of them don't understand the decisions or their rights on a jerry. someone who is more educated on the law and more determined sometimes there's pressure against another juror who may not be as educated will call them to vote in a way that may not be logical based on the fact and the evidence. i'm a strong believer the jurors need to be properly educated to their rigs when they are serving on a jerry. host: clarence there in south carolina. on the judge this is from 2023. d.a. and ethics panel find no evidence of bias. this is from the associated press reporting.

donald trump's tempestuous views aside, manhattan prosecutors say neither former president nor his lawyers have shown any evidence to support their claims judge in his hush money criminal trial as an anti-trump bias. the reject demand -- urge to reject demands the defense said to step aside from the case. the decision suggests he may have sought the panels input as he wrestles with the gravity of his role in the case and nagging concerns he could be seen as having a bias a conflict of interest. the opinion does not list names but the details match with the inquiry judge described as presiding in a criminal case involving a former public official. trump's lawyers have contended then and now that merchan is biased because his daughter is a political consultant whose work for some of trump's democratic rivals and some ofinto prior trs have shown a pro-prosecution

bent. the advisory committee on judicial ethics in its opinion concluded a judge in that precise situation may continue to preside in the matter provided the judge believes he or she can be fair or impartial. the senior counsel to the de -- da agreed neither issue was grounds for merchan to step aside. they noted that in june of 2023 the decision was up to merchan himself. the previous the request when the trump organization was on trial. that's back story from june of last summer. we are now here approaching june of 2024, of the jerry will go behind closed doors for a second day and cont deliberations in the hush money case. we want to know do you trust the american jury system.

alexander in brooklyn, you say yes, good morning to you. yes i'm here, can you hear me? host: yes we can. caller: i trust the jury system. i find it ironic i think two calls back the gentleman clearly stated republicans have no problem with flying the flag upside down, they have no problems in florida. the same as the judge here who is stalling the case over here, they have no problems with all of this but they now have a problem because of this case and the reason these cases are taking so long is because republicans across the spectrum, through congress, denying subpoenas, by stalling cases, judges all the way to the supreme court or stalling cases and that's the reason why none of this can move forward,

because even if trump is found guilty, he is going to appeal. you just said that and will take years because he knows how to break the system and that's what he's doing. so i want to say is this, even though everybody that can logically see that his own cfo is now in rikers island. inc. about this, every single one of these of trump is going to prison and yet he is not touchable and that doesn't cause concern? look at evidence 35 and 36 which you can bring up, which clearly gives the indication of how this money was to be broken down, how the taxes would be repaid and you're telling me trump didn't t it's we will have to live with e consequences of that. host: ron in michigan you say no.

good morning, go ahead. caller: i don't believe this jerry is good to make the right decision because they haven't heard all the evidence. you read the constitution, it says right there that the defense and the accused has the right to their own witnesses. they wanted to call a federal elections expert in the judge denied it. he allowed the prosecution to have a poor and star and michael perjurer, who got to testify. so no. this was a misdemeanor turned into a federal offense here. so no i don't believe it because you read it, you read the constitution. you should have another question now i guess because he doesn't get his rights. host: ron's thoughts in

michigan. we will go to florida, jim is there. good morning. caller: what i would like to say is what i don't understand is all the witnesses have been heard, all the prosecution and the defense have made their final statements, the judge addresses the jury in detail some things and says by the way here's another crime he committed, you need to look at this one as well. how can that be? how can a judge throw in another crime? all the scholars, the people that teach law in school, they laugh about this. they say it's so ridiculous that this judge can do what he's doing. like people said he won't let the defense bring their people on. he shuts them up. he just tells them bie this is such a farce that it's really laughable in a way

because like you say it's good to be overturned, how can a judge throw something in at the end without being heard through the record process. host: tell viewers what you are referencing. what did he throw in at the end? caller: i'm not sure what it was. there was another thing he told the jury that they need to look at another crime he committed. it's been brought up before. i don't remember, but i know it was said you need to look at this crime as well. but they didn't go through the process of bringing up witnesses. said they want to bring in other witnesses that would clarify what was going on. but they wouldn't let them come in. host: where did you learn of the judge throwing in as you say, another crime? where did you learn about that?

where did you learn about the judge allegedly throwing in another crime? caller: it's been said. of said it before since you been talking this morning. and you never question them about what the crime was. i'm not really sure but i know it was said but you need to consider this other crime. host: david in ohio, you say no. you do not trust the american jury system. caller: no. vote for trump. host: james in collins, mississippi you say yes. caller: good morning. just bear with me for a few minutes. poor people, especially african american people have alwayssyste in court right now. the system is what it is because

african americans, a white people, every day, i live in the small town of collins mississippi and they have juries there every folks and poor white people are going through this system, and now all of a sudden we get a rich person , when black people and poor white people have been telling the same people calling in on your station, talking about donald trump is being bushwhacked. it is a■l shame for these people to call in and say we don't trust the system because of president trump, but black folks in this town and white people in this town are going through this system and then the jury comes back and when you tell the american people about the system , they say it's the law, but now

they will not. host: we are listening. caller: they will not accept this jerry, but that just goes to show you how those -- these people are being blinded to president trump. president trump has all the money and all the power yet in florida the judge down there did everything they could to hold it up. what are we asking our children to do now? it's a shame. host: lance in new jersey, what are your thoughts on this? caller: definitely the jury system is not to be believed, it's the disbelief of the actual judge who is instructing the jury. i can remember a regular jury being called for a grand jury. and there's two different parameters. two different rules of regulations that have to be followed. but ner allowed for a

judge to interpret the law and to give instructions that are 55 pages. it is the simplicity of telling the truth is that it's easier to tell then creating and formulating alive. and these poor jurors, regardless of whatever the prior biases are or whoever they voted for. there's just too many things, two of the previous callers just said, they did not allow the defense to bring the true witness in regards to the laws in regards to voting. whether he violated and it's truly a shame. i can understand why lady liberty is blindfolded. it's one and here from each side, it's another thing to have your ears clogged up so you can hear anything. host: on those instructions from

the judge yesterday from the new york times, judge mercha laid outn -- merchan describing the legal meaning of intent and the concept of the presumption of innocence. he reminded the jurors they have to set aside any biases against the former president before they were sworn in and that mr. trump's decision not to testify cannot be held against him. then the justice explained the 34 chargest mr. trump faces, one for each document the prosecution says mr. trump falsified. it was the most important guidance the judge offered during the trial and it was no simple task. in new york falsifying records is a misdemeanor unless the ■w■ndocuments were faked to hide another crime. the other crime prosecutors say was mr. trump's violation of state election law that prohibited to conspire to aid a

political campaign using unlawful means. a crime they say he committed during the campaign for president. those could include any of the menu of other crimes. so each individual false records charge that mr. trump faces contains within it multiple possible crimes that jurors must strive to understand. the justice explained which document each count pertains to referring to each of the 34 records, 11 invoices from mr. cowan, 12 entries in the trump organization general ledger and 11 checks, nine of them signed by mr. trump. mark, who served nearly 40 years in the district attorney's office notedparticularly given k jurors are barred from keeping a copy of the guidance as they deliberate. and he says defendants are often

charged with several different crimes requiring even more elaborate instructions. still he said one point of complexity stood out in the trump case. usually you do not have this layering of other crimes. the judge encouraged jurors if they find themselves confused by legal arcane to send him a note seeking clarification in addition to the request for testimony, they asked the judge to repeat his instructions. that is from the new york times reporting. let's hear from christine in winston-salem, n■zorth carolina. you say yes, you do trust the jury system. good morning. caller: i believe in the system because the other judges letting him off on everything but no one's complaining about that. you have to remember he is not god and he is not right. and for one thing, when trump

did have his witness up there, what did he do? trump's got up on the stand and made the judge angry. that just goes to show that you're not listening. if you would been listening you would've known his witness has been up there. he was the one that the judge cleared the whole courtroom four. because he is just like the rest , if father, you would want things done right. do it right. host: dennis in quentin, alabama you say no. caller: yes i definitely say no with capital letters. it's been a sham since the very beginning. i believe it's been planned out. all the visits to the white

house, prior to the charges by the district attorneys, by the -- anyway, they have had a lot of visits to the white house. this has all been planned out. never in my life have i ever heard of a court run like this. they have 30 some charges. all you have to do, it's not a majority, you can pick and choose which one and if they all add up to 12, than mayor guilty. of what? we still don't know, they have not explained it. what needs to happen, and i know this won't because obama is behind it. obama is behind biden. obama is tearing this country apart. host: what evidence do you have of that? caller: hold on. i will tell you.

what biden needs to do is if trump is convicted, he needs to pardon him instantly. host: and if he did that what would that accomplish? if the president pardon the former president, what do you think that would do? caller: that would be -- it would bring a lot of peace. host: ok. i'm good to go on to james in new york who says yes to this question. caller: good morning. i do agree that the jury system is the best that there is. i don't think it's the people that are the problem. because the judge and the prosecutors are the ones that bring all the issues. judges and prosecutors shouldn't be trusted, they are the government. we know the judges rule on their feelings.

you keep bringing up he was already looked over. he's looked over by the people from new york, the other judges and lawyers that might have to go in front of him, so it's a whole sham. if we use that the judges are always good to tell the truth we would have ages in new york state saying the second him, doesn't apply in this courtroom. what we should do is have monitors of judges and prosecutors so they don't overcharge. with someone who's not in the legal system. probably a group of people but that's just a thing. host: gregory, state college pennsylvania. it's your turn. caller: thank you for being there. yes i'm in favor of the jury system completely. i wonder what happens to the constitutional authority -- afforded right to a speedy trial. why does it take months and

years to come to a court? when the jury is hung why can't they just impanel a new jury and do it all over again. why wait and wait. thank you. host: final thoughts there this morning in our first hour. we will take a break and when we come back we will turn our attention to the presidential campaign, we speak with former democratic presiiacandidate hers endorsement of president biden and his efforts to get young voters to thelater former whites secretary and digital show host sean spicer talks about his former bosses campaign efforts. stay with us. ♪ >> c-span has been delivering

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and entrepreneur for the last several years. they said someone like you should run who focuses on conscious capitalism, you could bring a new message to the country. even though you have a 99% chance of not winning maybe you could get on the radar. host: you became the first candidate to defeat a sitting president in a primary since 1980. you won the american samoa contest. guest: yes. host: tell us how you did that. guest: i think a lot of it has to do with the message. that might be the only place in the country where joe biden and i spent about the same amount of money. i spent $5,000 campaigning in american samoa and they did not spend that much money either. that meant i could talk to people individually and they would get to know me like they know joe biden. the message resonated. that is why one of the people i

am announcing i'm endorsing is louisa a quiet who is running for congress in american samoa. host: what was your message? guest: the message is about we have a constant debate between will america be a capitalist country or a socialist country and where are we coming on that debate? there is a middleweight called conscious capitalism and it means companies can be more than just about profit. if companies are just about profit they have lots of innovation they do. they provide great products and services but over time they do not treat people well, they might cause problems in the environment. conscious capitalism is a way to have a multi-stakeholder approach to improving capitalism so it works for all people. host: what are you doing with that message today? guest: the biggest thing we are doing is we are endorsing

candidates around the country. i tried my best to run for president. hopefully by passing the torch on the 20 younger people running for congress, people who are purple and their orientation some of my policy sound republican, some sound democratic. i do believe there is a strong middle who wants companies to do good for the world, believes capitalism is the right economic system, believes we have to have a functioning government who moderates that right now our government is kind of functioning but not functioning well enough and we needed to function better. if we get younger people into office and we start passing more bipartisan legislation that is inspired by younger people, by the causes they believe in, we will turn this country around. host: i will state the obvious. joe biden is not younger.

why did you endorse him? guest: that was a difficult decision. on the one hand i've been running against joe biden but i went out of my way to never speak ill of joe biden. i think he is been a great public servant for the last 50 years. at some point people need to pass the torch along. i still hold out hope that maybe joe biden will say we will pass the torch to a governor like gavin newsom or gretchen whitmer . it may not happen and if it does not happen biden is clearly the best choice when it is biden versus trump. that is because donald trump has proven he is not honest with the american people. he is all about himself. i try not to get into all of the negativity about trump, i want to focus on the positive. that is how i feel when it comes to the presidential race. there is no question joe biden is the better choice. host: you started an organization called together.

what is the goal? guest: the goal is to get young people involved in politics. we will try to get one million young people registered to vote this fall through partnerships with places like larry sabatino in virginia or beto o'rourke's organization in texas. we are trying to build grassroots organizations that can get out young people registered to vote and then those people that register to vote, those young people, let's get younger candidates elected. the candidates i am here to talk about our rebecca cook in wisconsin, frank pierce in north carolina, and adam frisch in colorado. these are younger people with a business background. they believe in purple policies and they a not lifetime politicians. rebecca has been a waitress. frank worked his way through college by working at restaurants.

these are people who built themselves up fr the ground level and believe our government should work for the people. host: how is your group funded and how much money do you plan to spend? guest: we plan to raise $10 million to $20 million. any of you with resources who want to build a strong bipartisan center, please go to the website. most of the people be grassroots people. this will be like what bernie sanders did when he ran for president and there a lot of young people who will donate. there is a way to take our money back. we will also generate funding from people who funded the no labels movement. other organizations that have a bipartisan feel to them. host: will you be working with the biden campaign? guest: i am in communication with people from the biden

campaign. we have cofounded the together campaign. the organization itself will invest in democratic candidates and republican candidates. it is important the organization be purple. i am the blue person who founded this. host: how will you get young people to participate when polls show they are not engaged politically. they are tuning it out. guest: there was an article just this morning. host: where are politicians? guest: the biggest way to get young people out is to put young people in charge and i have helped invest in or start 25 companies in my life. you have young entrepreneurs and abortive gray hairs that advise you. we are doing the opposite. i have cofounded with deborah and kwami, you're all about 50

years old and we are recruiting abortive people in their 20's and 30's he will oversee us. my goal is if we get people elected to congress by december, i will hand this organization over to those young people who have become our board and say this is yours now, run for it, that is a big part of the goal is to help make it easier for young people to raise money for the causes and campaigns they believe in it is easy for me to raise money. it is very difficult when you're 21 years old. we will build a technology platform with some of that money , not just to go into advertising and wasted away. we will build a technology platform so this can be, long-term movement run by young people for young people across the country. host: let's get the calls. crystal in philadelphia. democratic caller. caller: good morning, america.

i heard mr. palmer. i did vote for biden and i will be voting providing -- will be voting for biden. i appreciate his efforts. it is important young people get involved because their future is at hand. ■bi am from a family of 10. all of us have been lifelong democrats. most of my neighbors and friends , we realize the importance of aping your government. too many people -- the other side has drank the kool-aid and the dilutions and conspiracies and a january 6. i watch that for hours and cannot believe what was going

on. they make excuses for silly reasons. they are against president trump. the boythey make excuses for siy is a con man and a crook. he is the president of the losers club. host: jason palmer, do young people participating pay attention to that type of conversation? what are the issues motivating them? guest: the issues motivating them are things young people care about. they care about women's reproductive rights. they care about gun violence reduction. they care about climate change because they think the world will boil over and it might not be great for them or their children. they care about housing■h affordability. it takes forever to buy a house if you are young person. january 6 negativity, which i fell into myself a few seconds ago turns them off. that is why there is a poll that

says 70% are thinking they will not vote at all. they do not think either of the candidates stand for them. we have to get to them and help them realize this is a difficult choice for president, but you need to get involved. the older generations have screwed up the country for you, we have screwed up the world. you need to get involved and take over. this is a movement to try to help them do that but i sympathize and empathize with the caller's point of view that you cannot go two seconds without seeing donald trump on the front page or in the media in some way with everything that is going on. we have to try to push that aside and focus on the positive and younger people and taking our government back. host: the younger voters make a difference in this election? guest: huge. the younger voters will make a difference. they are always discounted. my entire life there was talk about with the young people come

out to vote and they really never came out to vote despite a lot of efforts. in the last election in 2020, the largest number of young people voted than ever before. it will happen again, even though they are very disappointed and dissatisfied right now. we have to get them energized, we have to get them registered, and we know how to do it. we know how to get people registered for less than five dollars per registration. it is having an army of volunteers on college campuses all over the country in august and september, get their peers to sign them up. we will also be working with athletes and influencers and celebrities who want to be part of this cause. that will help get them out because these are people they look up to. they think of singers and celebrities which i cannot mention. that is our next announcement. some of the people i am talking to our shopping because i admire

their music or their movies. the goal is to get a number of those folks on board and get them to get the young people out. host: joseph in new jersey. republican. caller: let me make a couple points. you let some guy before ramble on for about 20 minutes. i cannot believe some of the things he was saying. i am the same age of your guest. you just said all you do is turn on the tv and you have president trump. everything i'm about to say is true. job. do not cut me off. they tried to frame president trump. i do not know if you are around when this happened. with the tools of the government they tried to frame him. they were investigating him for two years for nothing before the man was president. now they are doing it again after he was president. they never tried to elect -- they never tried to rest hillary

clinton. they're trying to lock up trump. that is why he is on tv. he is fighting for his life. you are telling me about the young voters who want to be part of the system. when they turn the tv on you have hunter biden on air force to making money off of his father. his father knew what was going on. making millions of dollars then come is at the america, his you think americans want? guest: that is an easy one to answer. no. americans do not want a place that is all about scandals happening in■é washington, whetr they be donald trump or anyone else. what they want is young people who look like them who are focused on solving issues, solving immigration, solving gun violence, solving the budget deficit. our budget deficit is so large and our debt is up to 100% of

gdp you rarely see democratic candidates talking about this, but this is one of the largest things we need to solve. right now the average american, all of our debt is $110,000 per person. that is every adult come every child, they owe 110 thousand dollars because of federal government's national debt. host: the new york times ran a recent poll that found in the battground states for this november, the former president and president biden are essentially tied among 18 to 29-year-olds. your reaction? guest: at first i had to dig into it because i met a number of young people who said i hate them both, sort of like the caller who was just there. i said why do not -- why you hate president trump? and i asked why do you hate president biden? it came down to they thought he was not working for them.

every time they saw him on tv he was talking about ukraine or israel. affairs or things that do not have to do with young people. i would say what about college loans. they say i did not even go to college. i do not have any college loans. two thirds of americans did not graduate from college. college debt is not there major issue. the major issue is how do i get a job and i have this inflation problem where i cannot afford things. i cannot even afford -- one of the most precise examples -- a young woman in new hampshire said you have a housing affordability problem? she said i have a rent deposit problem. i cannot afford to pay first month's rent and last months rent and the rent. that is why i'm living in group housing where i feel unsafe because i cannot afford the $6,000 i need to get out of that situation. that is their issues.

that is the same issue i heard strongly from the black community. what are you doing to take care of my economthose are two groupe voting differently or responding to poles differently. the democratic party needs to do a muing out. together! is focused on getting young people elected. host: president biden and the vice president were in philadelphia trying to make an appeal to black voters. how important do you think that is and what are you seeing about his chances with the black voters this time around? guest: that is interesting. we were close to going on tv in philadelphia and then the biden administration said we will go to philadelphia and do this work. clearly they are hearing the same things we are. what we are hearing is the african-american community feels taken for granted and has not been listened to.

there are economic issues have not become core issues of the administration. they are correct. that has not been the core focus if you turn on the tv and you hear about international wars or you hear about the inflation reduction act, which is a great -- which is a great climate change bill they should have talked about. how great that is for climate change. none of the core issues of the average american voter who makes $50,000 a year has been a priority for last 12 to 24 months. host: when you say we were going to go into philadelphia, what did you mean? guest: honestly, i am learning it. i looked at my wikipedia page the other day and it says jason palmer, politician. i am not a politician, i am a small business person. apparently now i am a politician. when you're looking at how do you get attention for your

message, you try to look for the places that are the hot spot where the media would go. i was very close to going down to georgia and then president ábiden was suddenly the commencement speaker at morehouse college and so we decided not to do that. i do not want to accidentally run into president biden, then it seems like i am still campaigning. there was a lot of activity in philadelphia. there is an organizing movement going on that if the democratic party does not reach out to african-americans in philadelphia then philadelphia will not vote the way it is noted in many prior elections and joe biden could lose the state of pennsylvania. these are things i am learning like a padawan learner in politics. we will go there to try to create a rally around young people but we decided it would seem like i am still campaigning, let's not do that. i am not campaigning for president, i am trying to get young people elected to

congress. host: let show you in our viewers what he had to say in philadelphia. >> the threat greater in his second term than his first. when he lost in 2020 something snap in this guy. that is why january 6 happened, when he unleashed an insurrtion. now he is running again and he is clearly unhinged. he calls the insurrectionist to storm the capital patriots. if reelected he wants to pardon "every one of them." let me ask you, what you think he would have done on january 6 if black americans had stormed the capital? what you think would've happened if black americans had stormed the capital. i do not think it would be talking about pardons.

this is the same guy who wanted to tear gas you as you peacziefully protested george floyd's murder. the same guy who still calls the central park five guilty even though they are exonerated. he is that landlord who denies housing applications because of the color of your skin. he is the guy who will not save black lives matter and invokes neo-nazi terms. trump is the same guy who released the birtherism lie against barack obama. then trump tells you he is the greatest president for black people in the history of america, including abraham lincoln. [booing] can you fathom that? like i said, i think he injected too much of that bleach.

i think it affected his brain. host: given everything your learning, is that an effective message? guest: that is a very effective message to people who are core democrats, people i met in the primary all over the country. that is not the right message to reach independent voters and young voters who want to hear about how you will solve our nations problems, how you will move our country forward. i have to be honest with you that i'm trying to get a meeting with president biden. president biden probably thinks that is that little guy who won in american samoa. if i got a chance to meet with him i would say you are right that trump is a huge danger to our democracy and that is the way to get out core primary voters were democrats but we need to focus more on young people and independence -- and independents who will not turn up at the polls or who will vote

for third-party candidate if we do not reach out with a positive message about how we will improve their lives and solve the problems in our country. if president biden wants to keep giving speeches like that fee can, but i will be talking about the positive messages for young people and independence and hopefully we can become a team because i think both messages are needed. san antone -- host: san antonio. a republican. caller: i think more young people should be running the government than the old geriatrics. host: ellensburg, indiana, independent. caller: how are you doing? this is what i've been looking for. my son works in d.c., i tell him to do the same thing. he is a democrat. i tell him to get republicans and democrats together to change

things. the message president biden just it is a terrible message. i don't know what you consider young. i will be 50. i think i will not vote. i am disheartened in the political system. hearing you talk is something i'm looking for. someone in the middle to be young and it needs to be purple. i am tired of hearing rhetoric about this person is bad, trump is bad, den is bad, tell me what you will do. i consider myself young. i do not want to keep hearing the bogeyman. everything joe biden said, young people do not care about january 6, they do not care about indictments. what are you going to do? what is going to make my life better? you said you talk to somebody who mentioned they cannot afford housing so they had to do a group home. i am a landlord and i a

group home type situation for college student. i rent out four bedroom housing because people cannot afford rent. then my taxes went up my rental properties. i have to have a high rank to make any money and make the mortgage on that property. what you're doing, if you're serious about what you're doing i will get on your website. i think this is what i've been looking for. stay true to the mission. guest: thank you. thank you, kevin. togetherpurple.org is the website. please sign up. he is exactly the kind of person i've been seeing and talking to around the country for the last six months who is middle-aged like myself. i am 52 years old. we still consider ourselves young come in part because a lot of our leaders are in their 70's and 80's but also because we vibrate at the wavelength of 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds.

innovative people. he is a business person runs multiple apartments. small business is the core of this country. i think small business is the audience that most speaks to young people who want to be entrepreneurs and the independents. now that the polls have been done they say how many independents are small business people? it is 75% of them. we have this humanitarian side but we also have this side that is like we make it work, we have to make the numbers work. if you have both of those going on where you care about people and care about making the numbers work you want solutions. you do not want demonizing rhetoric. you don't want the■ crazies running the show. you want to people running the show. common sense policies. host: nathaniel is in mississippi. democratic caller. caller: i am watching this and i

watch the speech you just show about biden in philadelphia and i think it was a good speech. jason, i like what he is doing and i appat he's doing and we need more like him. i am a democrat. i may 59-year-old black man, i vote in every election. getting back to this election. i cannot understand why people see so much in donald trump. he does not care about nothing else. when january 6 happened i was watching it all. they will say it was a peaceful protest? whatever. you don't visit the white house like that. like the man said, if black lives matter had been at that

capital i think there would've been a lot of people killed. any doesn't say anything good. it's wrong and a lie. host: your reaction? guest: definitely that caller is the same as many people i've met on the road during the primaries, core democratic voter who vibrates positively to this focusing on young people and focusing on solutions but we all kind of get pulled into this but about trump. i would encourage all of you and i'm trying to train myself as well. i've got -- i've not gotten this perfectly down. i don't know everything to say but we have toabout trump. he will do his own thing and people will be turned off by it. let that happen but focus on the positive solutions for the country.

it's morning in american we will make the country better with the following set of policies. we will make your life better with your following set of policies and you have to remind yourself don't get sucked into the negativity of trump, that's not how we will win and more importantly, help young people raise money and help young people be successful. host: tell us about the tech platform you are building? how much money? guest: as someone who started for companies and invested in 25, i know exactly the technology platform the needs to be built. it will cost between two and three million dollars in the goal is to build a platform that enables young people to raise money for their causes, companies and campaigns and imagine it's sort of like if my had a baby with tiktok and linkedin at the same time. ■óyou actually can find people o are running entrepreneurialventr ventures and donate to them.

it sounds like a crowdfunding platform you could also call it. our goal is to roll this out before november so it affects the election positively but there's a long-term business plan. it said 10 year thing we are trying to build and i'm recording investors right now and we will write checks of $25,000-$1 million to build out the platform to enable this crowdfunding for causes, companies and campaigns. host: what is it called? guest: it's called together!. we are only a nine person company but we are growing volunteers as fast as you can imagine. the goal is 10,000 volunteers by the fall. what the fastest accompanies gone from zero employees to 10,000 employees. we should be there by september and we may have beaten the record. that's where you will find it at together purple.org. host: jacksonville, florida,

republican. caller: good morning. good morning mr. palmer. i am republican and i have six beautiful children that are all very successful. one is an anesthesiologist and the other one is a schoolteacher, my son is in the navy. i have a daughter that's a loan officer and my other daughter is in the army. the other one unfortunately is deceased. but what i woulde to say is that they are all under 50. i encouraged each one to register to vote when they were 18. that way they could be a part of our political system. i sat them down and explained whatever questions they had.

i am so proud of them because they are very political, some are republican and some are democrat. i have encourage them to be very active in our political system. the only disappointment they had this year is who was running they felt they both were way too old. at this point, are they even going to vote this year? i am so disappointed in our choices. i will not be voting for trump even though i am a republican. this will be the first year i will unfortunately be voting for a democrat. i have no choice because i love my democracy and i love the freedom we share in america. i will not vote for someone that calls the january 6 capital right it. i don't care what the

republicans say, he is not being persecuted. he's being tried r crimes he has committed. i will jump in at that point. thank you for voting for president biden this fall. the second thing i would say is focus on the other races. every time you go to the polls, you fill up a little box and pull the lever for president but look at the other races. they are often more important even though they don't get the media coverage. that's why we are recommending in endorsing and providing funds to candidates running for congress, young people running for congress were in their 30's and maybe some in their 20's as well. they have an entrepreneurial background who want to help bring common sense solutions to washington and turn down the noise and make it more collaborative young people are very collaborative. i've gone to a number of college campuses and i've been impressed

how the mocratic and republican clubs hang out with each other and do debates with each other and have cordial relationships with each other. it's not like washington at all. these are the people that stay up all night talking about political issues and care about them like when i was in college. focus on the congressional races. who are the best young people to vote for in those races? cnn is talking about a pole right now, the youth vote which is 18-24 and they were talking about the role they comply. in 2000, the vote was tied in a 2004, john every only wanted by single digits. 2008, former president barack obama wins it by 32 points. the same margin in 2000 for president biden. if he does not reach that threshold of double digit 30 or more with the youth vote, can he win? i think president biden can only

win by getting double digit support from that youth vote. that's why i'm doing what i'm doing. in october of last year, had a happy life working with my eight start of companies working with education and workforce technology. i'm nuts is donating money to some candidates but donating all the entrepreneurial know how i have to get young people energized and focused on a positive future for our country and voting and running for office and that's what i'm doing. i think it's the best way i can help president biden but it's not the only reason. we need to turn around all the polarization and get us all unstuck from negativity and off on a positive future for the country. another part of that pole when they asked that group of voters -- do you want normalcy returned to washington, d.c. or do you want to see major change in

washington, d.c.? major change. they want major change. what does president biden in your opinion need to say if those voters one major change? i would recommend that president biden have a summii making this. have a summit and invite all the young people i've been meeting on college campuses across the country come to washington, d.c. to be on the white house lawn and just sit there and listen to them and actually invite democrats, independents and republicans and let them explain to you how they can fix that country. in fact, invite the speaker of the house mike johnson to come there and sit and listen at the same time. you need to actually figure out a way to listen to the young people and i will keep doing it by myself even though we are building a movement but i'm hopeful that both the dnc and the rnc actually reach out to our organization.

we are in conversations with both of them. we are all about bringing the entire country together to focus on solutions to get more young people into power and help wring our country to the next level. armand in lakeland, florida, independent. good morning, c-span, thank you. i'm just curious, you started out by saying a very negative thing about the country and the debt. if everybody in the united states owns one -- owes $110,000 of debt, how many people under the limit -- how many people would have gotten $110,000 and be in the situation they are in. it's corporations and rich corporations that make these rules and regulations and we have to pay the debt off. but we have all these politicians that are getting rich in all these corporations getting richer.

we are not getting any richer down here. we are not getting any extra money. they own this problem. presidenthe debt up $6 trillion in his four years. , on, every republican that's gotten in there has brought the debt up and up. here we are just trying to survive and they are suffocating as an they are saying we owe $110,000. i have kids who don't owe a penny. i don't owe $110,000 to the government. i would like you to explain, there is a message that's not -- it's falling on deaf ears because a lot of people he down here say where i am, i'm not rich, i'm very poor and i'm living on social security. i've worked all my life. i'ot a lot of friends and don't know anybody who owes $110,000 of your debt, not yours but the government's debt.

it's the corporations and the politicians were getting richer and richer and robbing from the poor people. it's like robin hood in reverse. i understood, we will get a response. that is the rage that everyone feels when they understand about the debt. that's why i keep bringing it up even though when i was democratic candate for president, democrats almost never talk about the debt. i'm going on another show with stephen moore who has been railing against the debt for a number of years and i was a member of the concord coalition a number of years ago as well. the debt is a very serious problem. it is not quite as big at climate change. climate change is probably the biggest one. it requires a much more complicated solution i can soundbite for you.

the biggest drivers of the expense side of the federal government are social security and medicare. when president biden gave his state of the union a while ago, he actually said we will not touch so security or medicare and there was a who are in the audience and everyone said we take it up the table. that's taking off 60% of the federal budget that needs to be reformed. social security and medicare will basically go bust in the early 20 30's. we can't keep kicking that can down the road. young people don't believe social security will be there for them and they are not crazy. we need to reform it and there's a good set of policies i will talk about on a subsequent event later today about how we do that. that's part of why people are angry is all this debt and what did i get for it? you didn't get very much for it. that's why we didn't turn the country -- we need to turn the country over to younger people

and they will not get sucked into this negativity politics. host: let's hear from a man in little rock, arkansas, democratic caller: caller. one thing i wanted to say is this guy right here is the reason why we get trash like donald trump. he is still treating this men with respect. i don't think that at all. one thing the founding fathers would have done is harmed donald trump. guest: first of all, i very much dislike, even hate donald trump. i think he is a huge danger to our democracy. it's important he be beaten this phone that's why i'm campaigning in favor of joe biden. however, i have to put that aside as the leader of an organization called together that will be supporting 20 candidates for office and

support young people for solutions to bring the country together. trump is not good for our country but the way to solve it is not to talk about trump over and over, it's to talk about the young people and be focused on people like frank pierson north carolina or rebecca cook in wisconsin or luisa quia in american samoa, adam frisch in colorado. we will indent -- announce additional people in the coming weeks. these are young people with an entrepreneurial background who will actually take over washington and turn it around and bring that change that young people are asking for and people of all ages want. they want washington to be functional and to work like a well-run business and that's why people elected donald trump back in 2016. they thought he's a businessman who runs companies well. actually, not really. he kind of runs it like a family business and its chaotic and in many cases illegal.

we don't want to businessperson like that. we want somebody runs a good business which is community in making the world a better place. host: some of the candidates you are backing a republicans as well? guest: that's right but all in this wave are democrats in the next wave will be democrats and then we will bring up not just republicans we support in the elections but also to join the organization. the more people we announce as part of the organization to make it more purple colored will be on debt will be in leadership positions and on the board. for the conversation. guest: i appreciate it. host: when we come back, we'll talk with former white house press secretary and digital show host sean fight -- sean spicer. we will talk about the former's campaign efforts. stay with us. ♪ ■n>> since 1979, in partnership

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a crime, what impact do you reelection or his chances for a second term? guest: based on the reaction that i've seen across the political i'll when you look at some of the political analyst even on cnn, people are not exactly warm to president trump, the flaws that exist in this case, the over-the-top nature, i think it will end up helping him politically. what that does to him in terms of logistics, i think that's left to be seen in terms of what that sentence would look like. i imagine there would be an immediate appeal but for a lot of americans, they are less be willed or by what the charges are he's exactly being held for. the reality is, a bookkeeping offense in new york is a misdemeanor charge in the current case, it's well past the statute of limitations.

the average person right now in my entire legal experience comes from watching law & order, would say you need to know what you're being charged with. right now, the jury has been given instructions they can have an un-unanimous decision about a myriad of possible charges to come up with a felony. i don't think for most americans, any this makes sense and for good reason. host: according to politico, half of americans believe that the former president is guilty in this case. the former president is going to need independent voters, 54% of them say they believe he is guilty of the alleged crimes in the falsifying business records case. your reaction? guest: the beautiful thing about c-span is that you and your audience are much more attuned to politics and how traces are one.

when the media asks questions like this, i think it's frankly naïve and not a way to explain politics. as you guys know, we won electorally by state and we get a number of votes that hopefully add up to 270. at the end of the day now, we're talking about seven states that this election will come down to and if you look at the last two cycles in 2016, it states in the last cycle about 43,000 votes over three states. this is not like some national race you are running to win california or new york or texas. we are talking about seven states and when you look at a national call not telling you how the race is being run or how the outcome will come out. i think looking through the prism of something like that where the pole does not make sense. host: does he need independence in those seven states? guest: sure. to some degree but when you look at michigan in 2016, he wanted

by over 10,000 votes. pennsylvania was 44,000 people. you need any coa to 50 plus one depending on the state and how many republicans versus how many independents are registered there. one of the things you go through an election like this is that there are few undecided. a poll came out of roanoke college in virginia yesterday that showed only 4% of folks in virginia are undecided. that means that people may call themselv meaning they are not registered to a political party but they know how they will vote this election at its core will be a get out the vote effort. the data will allow each of the campaigns to identify folks whether they are register republican or democrat or independent but they identify as people who vote for them and their goal will be to turn them out either earlier on election day. this will be the biggest get out

the vote effort that either party has ever seen. host: what is the message the former president needs to have s that you mentioned? guest: and some of the states like pennsylvania for example, there is a big energy issue that might affect a good part of that. in some states, there will be very specific issues that affect the population within the state. generally speaking, i would argue that immigration and safety are the two biggestt drie polls. also the economy and safety and immigration falls into both in some way, shape or form. ■there was a story in politico yesterday that said democrats are freaking out. the one quote i couldn't agree more on says if you put four years of trump policies up against 3.5 years of biden, trump wins every day of the week and twice on sunday. i wholeheartedly agree with

that. if trump can make this aol recof results versus biden's record og into all of this? this is the washington post this morning -- their editorial page says he has recovered and americans have not. guest: i couldn't have said it better. i can't believe i'm agreeing with the washington post. this is the problem with a lot of folks who rely on government assistance. i said earlier elections are generally one of the presidential lelmodern history off of the economy and safety. it's a visceral feeling inside of you. do you feel you're doing better? do you feel like you are safe? if you can't walk in just three your neighborhood and feel safe, it doesn't matter how many

statistics someone from the government throws at you. if you don't feel like you are putting money away and you can take a day off or save for your family were put away some money for your kids education, it doesn't matter what statistics are coming at you. george bush faces in 1992. he was trying to tell people the economy is recovering and they weren't feeling it and i think that's the sentiment the washington post is expressing their. the american people don't feel like it's gotten better yet. the best example the biden administration is doing, they keep talking about inflation is going down. if you go to a fast food restaurant or grocery store, the prices might not be going up anymore but they are not going down. just because inflation is starting toside doesn't mean there is a commensurate reduction in the price of a lot of goods and services. the hamburger that initially was

two dollars is now four dollars and you are still paying four dollars regardless of whether the government tells you inflation is going up -- is going down. it isn't dropping the price commensurate with some kind of fall in government numbers. you are still feeling that impact every single day. ■i think most americans get tha. i don't think there is a sense of calm or stability this administration projects when it comes to the economy. host: on abortion from the wall street journal this morning -- they note that a recent poll done by the paper of seven battleground states found that 39% of suburban women say abortion is a make or break issue for their vote making it bya far the most motivating isse for the group. of those women, nearly three quarters of them say the procedure should be legal all or most of the time. suburban women think abortion is

a leading reason to back biden and 57% of the same group said trump policies on abortion were too restrictive. what is your reaction? guest: overall, abortion is a concern that i think we as -- we on the right need to address better. the democrats have an unbelievably extreme position on this issue. i think republicans have done a very bad job at putting democrats on defense. you think about the former governor of virginia was a doctor himself and talked about allowing the baby to be born and making the decision what to do with it. he is on audiotape discussing it. we've done a poor job putting democrats in there and saying where is the line. science and technology have allowed the viability of a fetus to go much further than 1970 or 1990. we need to have that discussion that are because the majority of americans actually agree with that. if the fetus is viable when the baby can survive on its own, it should be afforded the right and protection every american is

afforded. we need to do a better job of articulating that and having that discussion and not being on defense which is what a lot of republicans have been in the last couple of cycles. host: if that message is not clarified, do those numbers concern you? guest: absolutely. when you look at all of the issues that americans bring up, as i said at the■=5a beginning, president trump and republicans went on every single -- win on every single issue. for security, energy independence, even foreign policy considering the chaos over the last 3.5 years with president biden. the one issue i think they have in their pocket and why they are going all out on this and you see tens of millions of dark money dollars being spent on this issue because they know with the only thing they have and the only thing that works. i'm arguing that republicans need to understand their fight is coming to you. you better be willing to go at it because you are ducking and

covering and hanging out in the corner. republicans need to be aggressive for this and prosecute the case against democrats and articulate their vision of what they think needs to be done. host: let's talk to viewers. ar canada, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. good morning, sean. i am friends with an angel mom in california and she was appalled when the democrats blocked the law two years ago. last week, she attended a session in sacramento where republicans put of emotion that any illegal comes in and commits sex crimes against children are deported immediately. every single democrat in sacramento voted against that. my comment is -- it's impossible that anyone voter will vote for a political party that protects

pedophiles. what are republicans going to do to put this in a tv ad campaign to inform americans what democrats are doing, protecting pedophiles and violent criminals coming into this country. thank you. guest: i will agree with you wholeheartedly. the border and border security is the biggest issue republicans should be focusing on now. it transcends so many areas. the issue you brought up is devastating. i don't care if it's one or 100 americans that are harmed through illegal immigration. one should be enough. we shouldn't sit back and say the crimes are not that many. there should be none. border security is an issue that should trans and partisanship. we shouldn't be having a cancer conversation about this but this administration, they were proud of repealing all of the trump policies, all the executive orders, the remain in

mexico policy and others that required immigrants to this country to do so in a more lawful way. d an open border and were proud of at the beginning and now that we've seen the continued results, negative results whether it's crimes being committed against other americans or the flow of drugs and the entrance of criminals and terrorists into our country, they are more defensive. they are still doing nothing on it. every single demt throughout the country have been conflicted in allowing this to happen in the biden administration is 100% responsible for this. the idea that republicans that taken her foot off the gas and was issued to me is astounding. fentanyl and drugs that are coming interest southern border is sometng that affects every single community. i was in new hampshire and maine a couple of months ago. it's unbelievable how pervasive it is there in the lives it touches. to talk about crime whether it's california or georgia, we see the effects all the time in virginia.

we had issues come up as well with people having crimes perpetrated against him and yet this administration does nothing about it. they turned a blight i am -- a blind eye to it but they were proud of the fact that they repealed all of these policies from the trump administration on day one until the consequences started to come home. the biden administration, their policies have created it but republicans have not done enough. if i were a republican every day of the week, this would be the number one issue. whether you talk about drugs, terrorism, crime, you name it, it's so pervasive because of an open border and there is no re doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on. having a secure border is something we should all before. if we need more people, then we reform our laws but when you comentry and the first thing you do is break a law to come in, that's not a good way to start your pathway

to citizenship unless you are a democrat. host: pennsylvania's next, democratic caller. caller: good morning and thank you so much for taking my call. good morning mr. spicer. caller: thank you. i wasn't going to waste my 30 day call if i thought you were coming on but you started out and i thought [barking] guest: the dog is excited. caller: i'm dog sitting for the daughter. i'm going to address three different things. first of all, you started out talking about this terrible trial in new york. you seemed quite confused and uncertain what kind of charge could -- they never even told us what charge mr.

trump is being held to. help me out here on that. guest: let's take these one at a time. what charges president trump inc. charged with? caller: the overarching charge is election interference. guest: no, it's not. he has not been charged with that, that's not true. he's been charged with a bookkeeping offense which is a misdemeanor in new york and has a statute of limitations. he's not been charged with any other crime. host: do you want to response? guest:f course i do, thank you, greta. i think it might be helpful if mr. spicer reads some of the transcripts that are publicly available on the charges. the overarching charge that brought it up to a felony is having to do with the election,

committing a crime and furtherance of preventing or promoting a candidate taking power. getting elected. host: let's go o number two. caller: i'm sorry, there is an overarching crime and then there are the documents charges. he use the documents and falsified them in order to make him get elected. number 2 -- the economy. we are doing good but people are struggling and not feeling it. prices areigher. if the president has the power to change the prices, i'm quite certain that he would do so. i think of the president had the power to call mcdonald's and say people cannot afford that hamburger anymore, you need to drop the price, he would do that. he doesn't have that power. host: and number three? caller:y,

the abortion issue is a huge issue but the talking point that democrats or anyone supports, taking the life of a baby after viability is insane. host: i'm going to have sean spicer jump in. guest: let's take these in reverse order. those are not my words, that's a former governor of virginia, ralph northam. whether or not it's a lie or not, i■'s not mine, it's his and democrats should have to define where there viability line is. i have no problem, i am pro-life and proud of it. democrats will not draw a line. where is viability if you are a democrat but they refused to answer that question. on the economy, i get that the president could call mcdonald's on they don't care but it's his policies that are driving this. since joe biden has come into office, inflation went through

the roof. it was one .9% when president trump left office and president biden is light over and over again saying that wasn't the case when he took office. it was and it climbed all the way to nine .3%. that's a fact. his policies and his government spending drove inflation high. that's the reality. it happened on his watch and lastly, i would argue that what the■n court, with the documents are in terms of they are charging is a fact. & he has not been charged with election interference. first of all, he's being charged in new york court. he was running for federal office. they don't have jurisdiction over a federal crime. number two, the federal election commission looked at it and it showed -- and chose not to pursue it. the department of justice under joe biden looked at it and chose not to pursue it. the southern district of new york chose not to pursue it. the previous attorney in

manhattan chose not to pursue it and alvin bragg when he officially started in the office chose not to do it which is why prosecutors under him left the office. it wasn't until michael colangelo from the by demonstration doj came to his office did they pursue it. over and over again, it has been proven it wasn't an issue. he's not even being charged with that and that is a fact. host: here is wall street journal reporting. a state law and where happened again, he he's running for a federal office.

the judge said that in the jury instruction. he wasn't charged with that and that's a big distinction. host: roger and hurley, virginia, democratic caller, you are next. caller: host: host: am i on? you are on, we are listening to you. caller: i had a couple of questions. it donald trump ever going to apologize to the millions of americans he murdered because he couldn't tell the truth? host: what are you referring to? caller: the pandemic. host: ok, sean spicer? guest: i don't think the president of the united states murdered anybody. i think this was a global pandemic on the president should be given a lot of credit and how he got to market the vaccine in an expeditious way. host: what role do you think

that played in the 2020 election? guest: i think it was huge. for a lot of reasons particular in terms of how it affected [no audio] pennsylvania, nevada, the changes that were made to accommodate that didn't follow jurisdictional law and regulations. i think that was huge and in general it affected people's mood and role of the government. there is a multitude of ways in which it affected the outcome. host: did his handling of it have an impact on how people voted? guest: sure, pro and con. some people love tell the president handled this and there are some people who didn't. like any other issue, it's not an issue that i think if you were planning a reelection campaign that you would formulate a ton of messaging around how to handle a pandemic. it threw the curveball into a race that was probably going to be more about competency in the

economy and that many people are out of work in government spending is what it is, it added that dynamic that no one was prepared for. host: san bernardino, california, republican. caller: how are you doing? how are you doing, sean? guest: good, how are you? caller: i'm doing well. two things, i am a reregistered california. i understand it's a blue state. my two issues with considering this election are two things. do you think president trump is willing to apologize to prisoners of war for his comment that he made on john mccain? i have a hard time debating with my liberal friends. i tried to defend trump in regards to the 187 minutes that he didn't do anything during the january 6can you give some insin

both and i will take your comments off the air. guest: i think the john mccain comment from i think 2015 or 2016 at the iowa conference has been litigated inerf what his views were. i think that was a personal issue with him and senator mccain. yearsber the specifics but that was a very personal back and for between the two. on the other front, i think the president held a town hall i can't remember when he pulled out an exact timeline. i would suggest you reference that a look at the timeline and he walked through exactly what he did when on that date and that gives you a solid timeline. host: virginia, republican, hi, randy. caller: good morning, sean and thank god for president trump. i hope you remember that remark

i made to you the last time you were on c-span going on about eight years ago. i explained my story to you than about overcoming a personal injury and ended up creat■■ing a mobile children's fitness business. now here we are eight years later and we had the pandemic where we through every child out of school with zero plan on how to educate them. during that time, i'm made many offers of service to provide [indiscernible] on the block and public housing or other satellite locations to educate children while they were out of school. i was rebuffed statewide by state leaders and local leaders. i have to tell you that i'm a

stage iv cancer victim and the state has picked a fight with a man they cannot beat. i'm going to roll out my 50 foot trailer and i'm going to call out these legislators that i know are getting rich off of these programs that were meant for good children [indiscernible] host: apologies because you are going in and out. were you able to hear most of what he said? guest: i'm sorry to hear what you're going through personally and i wish you godspeed to continue the fight against cancer. thank you for doing what you i wish i knew more about the program but the effect of the pandemic in particular and what it had on children and their development is something i think we will pay the price for for a couple of generations. i think we learned a lot and i hope god for bid we ever face

anything like this again, we look back to the lessons of now in terms of how we handled things thickly with respect to school and children. we will see who did it well and who did not and go from there but thank you for your work with children and continue to fight that fight dan in atlanta, geor, democratic caller. caller: how are you doing? sean, remember the crowd size you spoke of. when it you mentioned that donald trump spent $8.2 trillion, let me say it again -- $8.2 trillion and they want to go back four years ago and get another four years and blow it up again. you remember he told the country during covid to take bleach. one other thing, tell us about the dinner the donald trump had

with the holocaust denier. tell us about that and i will stand by him listen. guest: i'm not sure and i wasn't present at any dinner with anyone so i can't speak to that. as far as the one thing i will comment on this you mentioned, i'm not a fan of government spending to the extent it was done during that era. i think we are paying the consequences for it and debt isi wish folks in washington paid more attention to and it will come back to haunt us. if you are a liberal, you should be concerned about debt because it's crowding out the expenses of so many other things. i'm concerned we are not doing enough with their military to fight the fight that we will need to with respect to both china and russia, never mind north korea and iran. i'm concerned about government spending. host: sean spicer --

>> i'd like to answer all of your questions but i'md like to about this ridiculous case. some of the reviews from yesterday, everyone should forget this case. i haven't seen one legal scholar or expert in the law saying this case should have been filed. it should not have been filed. at a minimum, it should have been filed seven years ago, it seven years old. alvin bragg rejuvenated it when i was running for office, it's a terrible thing. at the request of joe biden. the national review said a quick trump. alvin bragg refused to prove his charges. greg jarrett, are these for

voters are already voted? they already voted because these things came in after the election. then you say what about hillary with the dossier? what about all of that and this is nothing. what about the corruption and the voter fraud you seen over the last year from democrats and nobody talks about it. this is ridiculous what they're talking about. host: former president donald trump outside of the courtroom in new york city at that -- about that hush money case and deliberations are going into the second day. i apologize, weere going to go to this so i didn't mean to interrupt your thoughts. we can go back to what you are saying but your initial reaction to what you heard for mr. trump? guest: again, i don't think it's any surprise the president is giving some analysis or reading

out the analysis of what some others of thought about this case. it echoes what i said earlier. regardless of what people think about donald trump and we are a polarized country right now with people who love him and there are people and we've had some of them this morning who don't like him. i get that. at the end of the day, what you should care about is the rule of law. just refer to this a second ago when he was talking. these are charges seven years old. they are past the statute of limitations. they were passed on by the department of justice, the federal election committee, summer -- the southern district of new york and alvin bragg's predecessor. what changed? the only thing that changed was politics. the charges are misdemeanor from seven years ago. the only thing that changed are the politics, the dynamic of the politics and they have to combine with the charge he wasn't charged with to make a filing -- to make a felony.

no one else has ever been ged with this. this is not the case of being above the rule of law, this is below. they are going after a guy they wouldn't charge with an offense like this. look at new york city and see the violent crime that's occurring on a daily basis and people are being led over and over again. bragg has a history of taking felonies and making the misdemeanors but in this case they are making something out of nothing because they want to go after trump. whether you like him or not, you should be concerned about this. they deny them the ability to have certain witnesses. the former chairman of the federal elections commission, the judge would not allow him to testify. why is that? why is the judge whose daughter literally makes money off of having clients that go after trump not considered a conflict of interest? she has made contributions to opponents of donald trump. the ability of people to

overlook so many concerning issues because it's trump should be a concern to every american worried about the rule of law. host: we will go on to mitzie and russell, pennsylvania, independent area caller: good morning, c-span and good morning sean spicer. excuse me. i would like to know how you can get on tv and sit there and continue to live. all you did was lie when you were a press secretary starting with simple things like crowd guest: what have i said you object to? caller: they wouldn't even let you meet the pope. are you kidding? guest: call don, stop changing the subject. you made an accusation. host: caller, what has mr. spicer lied about while he's been on the program today? caller: on the program today, on

talk about what he did in the to believe him when he got up and lied almost on a daily basis? host: mr. spicer? guest: i've been very candid that there are some days i could've done a better job but i never got up knowingly and admittedly lied. i made some mistakes, absolutely. if you have a problem with lying and you don't have a problem ere. this administration tells you things t day and this president like yesterday said he visited the bridge that collapsed in baltimore the day after it happened. that was his direct quote but that's not true. he says things on a daily basis that are not factual and yet the same people who are concerned about democracy and truth don't seem to care about when it comes on that side of the aisle. i'm concerned about your sincerity on the issue. host: marilyn, independent

caller. caller: good morning, everyone. host: go ahead, question or comment. caller: i would go back to the last caller and it puts everything in perspective. she tried to call out sean for waking up every day and lying in public but that's how politics operates. we are looking at the left hand while the right hand is doing something else. it's disingenuous to pointed out -- do not pointed out as a whole. when we get to the trump thing, the argument is all they are doing is trying to throw mud against the wall and hope something sticks and hope it goes down the road and effects trump. even if that's the case, you are acknowledging there is mud to throw. we know even trump himself admitted how he does business and how everyone in that echelon

how they practice business and abuse it and they know it's thif i think what are we arguing about, are you trying to make sure whatever he is doing is done by the book? host: let's get a response. guest: i'm not sure what i'm responding to. there is a lot there that didn't seem to get into some kind of question. host: what about the former president's business practices which is what he's asking about? guest: i can't speak dtrump's . i didn't work for the the trump organization. if there is a problem, he should have been prosecuted or dealt with at the time. the point is we are talking about a charge stemming from 2015. l's remember what this is. he paid money to somebody that

he had an issue with through his attorney. that's not illegal. whether you like it or not or considermollegal practice. what he is being charged with and how they -- they didn't file anything with the state of new york or the city of new york city. it's how they logged it internally. he made a payment to his attorney and his in addition his attorney billed him. when the prosecution has been asked, they haven't given a answer i was to how it's been book. trivial this thing. we are arguing about how its internal company records that they added something to the ledger. if you want to start going through the books of every company in america, let's go. we will see what else is out there but i have a feeling for the same people want to go up to trump, they're not willing to same just to turn and i to other organizations that support

causes and beliefs they do. if we are going to go down these paths, you may like it right now and you may not have a problem with it now because you don't like donald trump once we start going down that path, i don't think it will end up in a good place for the rest of america. host: if the former president were to win another term, would you go back and work at the white house? guest: i wouldn't work at the white house. i've done that and i was honored to serve. it's a very taxing job in terms of personally and my family. i would help the president. i served at the u.s. naval academy and i served as commissioner and i would find a way to serve if the president asked her if i thought it could be helpful. i don't see myself going back to the white house itself. i have a show right now, the sean spicer show podcast that airs every night and i enjoy it. i've spoken for other members of

congress and officials and to be able to speak freely every night talk about issues in politics and express my own beliefs and views is somethinthat is refreshing and enjoyable. i want to continue to do that. if there some way i can be helpful to the present if he gets back in office and pursues an agenda that will put this country back on track, i would be glad to help in some way. host: where can people catch your show? guest: every night on youtube, rumble, spotify go to sean spicer.com and we will break down everything in the trial tonight. the unique thing i bring to this is there are hosts on television and i've been in the game and i was six years at the rnc and work of the nrc. the idea that i can bring that insight to tell people how decisions are being made on campaigns and government is something i think is not being told anywhere else. host: sean spicer, the host of

the sean spicer show. it on youtube, rumble, spotify and apple podcast every night. we thank you for the conversation this morning on the "washington journal." guest: you that, thank you. host: we will take a short break and when we come back, we will be an open forum. here is how you can dial in with any public policy or political issue, democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, an independents (202) 748-8002. stay with us and join us for open form coming up next on the "washington journal". ♪ ♪

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host: we are here for the remainder of today's washington journal. any political issue you have on your mind. we started talking about the hush money trial in new york city. today is day two of jury deliberation. here is how the washington times put it on their front page story today. a quote rigged case. saying they can see through the political tactics. washington post front page this morning on the same story, deliberations beginning in trump's hush money trial. the jury deliberated for more than four hours. seven men and five women. we asked you, do you believe in the american jury system? do you trust it? we talked about that in open form as well. tony in ohio, hello. caller: hello, how are you

today? host: good morning. what is on your mind? caller: what is on my mind is how this country is running. from the last four years we had with trump, good economy and good inflation. gas under two dollars a gallon. no border problem. now we have it all. i do not understand how people see what is going on. trump would be good for this country. i just do not understand it. i think personally if we do not get trump in, we are going to have a civil war or something bad is going to happen. all of this fraud that biden is doing, they just want to hammer trump. host: all right.

in the washington post editorial, the economy has recovered but americans have not. better does not make much impact in an era where many are still in shock about the rise in prices. that is the washington post editorial today. good morning to you in lancaster. what is on your mind? caller: what is on my mind is that president trump has a lot to say when he is outside the court. when it comes to his time to speak inside the court, he has nothing to say. the former president trump■- --e is all for himself. anybody can see that.

thank you so much. host: the former president did speak before the court proceeding began this morning. you can find it on our wee. hello, chuck. caller: i remember seeing on book tv. they said when someone looks that you enclose that -- closes their eyes for a period of time, they are lying. i remember mr. palmer discussing his fundraising and the candidates he was supporting. there were some questions involving the money. he was not looking at you or the camera. any time something comes on to fund raise money, it is very suspect.

caller: good morning. i find it laughable when sean spicer was talking about the judge's daughter when we have to put up with the antics of ginni thomas at the supreme court level. she is much more active than the judge's daughter. the other thing laughable is trump trying to portray himself as a supporter of the military. i do not think general kelly was lying when he talked about the comments that trump made about his son. i do not think the story about how he discouraged his son from going into the military is a lie either. trump is just surrounded by lies. it is why he could not testify. these are trials because of his own actions. he should be on trial in new york because that is where the

crimes were committed. host: democratic caller idaho. morning to you. caller: how are you doing today? my story is that we are looking at the trial. we get the people judging the evidence of what a person does and then we should -- according -- we should judge according to what is true. they can identify the truth by what the witness says, but we know that every person well and can lie whenever they can, but any case in a jury -- i just believe that everybody is going to lie, regardless of what the

truth may be or is. how do you tell people? they will always be liars. those who are at the bottom, switching inflation -- i understand that prices go up, but corporations are the ones that are doing the prices. host: we mentioned the economy. of the political issue for this election, another one is abortion. till when back the house. a wall street journal poll found that many site it as a make or break issue for their vote making it the most motivating

issue. many say that they should be legal most of the time. 57% of the same group said the same policies were too restrictive. you can talk about abortion, the economy, how it relates to campaign 2024. as we said, the former president spoke before the second day of jury deliberationmr. trump: it . outside, it looks like sport knocks. i never seen so many policeman. columbia university, no problem. erhearing -- i just want to say that it is a sad day for america.

and it is a sad day for new york. to vote -- it is who -- it is all vague. he is going to be overturned again. we were treated very badly. the outside world is watching. they are not going to bring their business to new york and that will cost trillions of dollars. thank you all very much for coming. we will be here a long time. thank you. host: the former president outside the court in new york. the hush money trial case. the jury will begin their second day of deliberations here. the supreme court is gatheringtl arguments that they heard from

the past term. be on the lookout for any news coming from the supreme court today on several big cases that they have yet to release a verdictn.there is also this relo the new york times this morning. rejecting calls to recuse in the uproar. he said he would not recuse himself in that. a lengthy piece about the clash that was had with the neighbors. it also features a profile in that clash. that is in the new york times this morning if you are interested in reading more on that. we have more cases this morning

from the editorial board. the obligation. they write that they rightly reject a partisan demand for recusal on trump related cases. they write that it suggests partiality but they explained that the decision to fly the flags were made by those with their own mind and that the justice had nothing to do with her decision. he can respond to that in open forum. kevin, good morning to you. i just had a quick comment. i had a quick comment about this . they found this resource, this whole band of lithium all the

way from florida. it sounds like some real scooby-doo stuff. this company has been pumping out boron. i find that to be questionable. what is going on down there? are they trying to scare everybody so that they can all have that to themselves? a quick thing about the catholic religion. did they believe that asking for a moral man for forgiveness is not blasphemous to god instead of just going to jesus? just ask jesus for forgiveness. what are those people thinking? that is blasphemous. about abortions, but don't people understand about religious freedom? this country was established on the freedom of religion. i do not have to have religion. i am very religious myself, the

people do not have to have religion. speaking of judgmental people, what part of being free to people's thoughts of my freedom bother them? host: all right. weird your point. nebraska, republican. how are caller: caller: you? -- how are you? caller: i have a couple things on my mind. first of all, i noticed when i watch the program in the morning, several of your people will call up and spread a lie that donald trump said that suckers are losers. he never said that. even someone who is not a trump fan and other people said he never said that. it was some reporter from some magazine who made that story up.

i know you have the tape of john bolton saying he never said that. i think you have 15 minutes left in your show. could you show the tape to people that he never said that? because there is no audiotape of trump saying it. host: who was the person? where will you find that? caller: it was john bolton in an interview. i'm not sure who interviewed him. but he was interviewing 22 other people there. 00it was some memorial ceremony. it might have been washington dc. host: it would probably fight -- take us more than 15 minutes to find the video you are talking about and getting it ready for air this morning.

caller: first off, i want to thank you for your knowledge and patience -- commend you for your knowledge and patience with colors -- callers. i do not think anything happening in our country is laughable today. we have inflation, crime, poverty -- nothing about that is laughable. now to the republicans. they love to snatch from the jaws of victory, they love to snatch defeat. they cannot get theireconomy, iu said, if they cannot get their act together on abortion and when they had roe v. wade and it got reversed and now the states are just killing the

republicans. they have to get a compromise and most people do not want to go full abortion. there are circumstances like rape and incest. republicans have to get their act together or they are not going to get to the big dance to show anything that they have. trump stopped complaining about past elections. tell us what you are going do to improve the economy and get inflation down. thank you for taking my call. host: mike, democratic collar. good morning. caller: two things. the republican party completely dysfunctional. that is fact. everything they do and everything they say.

the reason they have no credibility is because they have no accountability. if you have no accountability -- you cannot possibly have any sort of credibility. on the other hand, the inflation we feel today has everything to do with the money that was spent during the last administration. you can havele. host: are you talking about the money spent in response to the pandemic an caller: -- pandemic? caller: i'm talking about the money spent on the trump administration. the integrity of thatund that was spent was outrageous. not to mention the three wars that party put us through.

that is going to bring inflation.host: democratic coll. nancy is a caller from florida. caller: i am calling in response to the beginning of the show when there was a gentleman who called who said he wantte with s democratic friends, january 6 situation. if you could, could you please explain to all of us out here how we can navigate your website with the national guard whistleblowers last month? also one of the best shows that you had on was john. the media is still misleading

people, even ftu last week. both sideshe they could tell how trump was not referring to the nazis but both sides of coming down. you do that and you can just tell people how to navigate and get to those things. host: the video nancy is referencing, you can go to c-span.org and we have a search engine. you will find the video related to those words. it is at the top on your screen, the search engine that would allow you to search our archives going back many years. bill in seattle.

caller: i just want to say about these comments about inflation and where that was because, when biden got into office, he immediately started raising oil prices by cutting off the pipeline and putting on all sorts of restrictions. they spent a ton of money on dvds and things that are expensive compared to when trump was in office. i just want to say one thing about abortion. you can still get an abortion. if that is important to you, you should move to a state where it can be done whenever you want it. host: democratic collar. caller: me and my family my pick up and move because we might

need an abortion someday. i'm being sarcastic. thank you for taking my call. the one thing i have a problem with the republican party is that tiny problem of the treason of january 6. we have insurrectionist voters who are still there. it was simply a propaganda piece. he was just laughing at anybody. these people think that trump did not do anything wrong. they still think he has not done anything wrong. he has not done anything right. it is simply not the case. he is not good ok an i'm going to hang out because i'm going to

start cursing. host: steve, independent. caller: first evolve, trump is not perfect, but nobody is perfect. this is a political war against trump. abortion. they talk about women's rights but what about babies rights? if a woman is pregnant and does not want the baby, get the father involved. it is ridiculous that the fathers do not have rights. host: open forum. what is on your mind? caller: the supreme court is a joke. they are not passing anything and are not doing anything but eating trump. trump, i hope he gets all that you throw at him because he is wrong and a liar.

trump is no good for america. anybody who sits back and denies -- they got these peoplal stirred up and their minds twisted. republican party is a joke also. host: john mentioning the supreme court. you are looking at the building. decisions. it is a decision day. they are announcing those decisions in oral arguments that they heard this term. they have decision days scheduled. it is slated for the end of are waiting on.

one that will impact the former president -- there is the abortion cases, social media content case as well and dealing with the january 6 attack on the capital. republican. hello. caller: thank you for taking my call. i typically work during the weekdaysi'm not working today. i wanted to say that the woman that called sean spicer a liar, i think that is terrible. he is a respectable and smart man. not only wanted to say how ignorant most of these people are. can't they see the difference from how they lived a couple

years ago compared to now? it is remarkable how many stupid people are in this country. host: can you mute your television? caller: yes. ok. spicer -- he is not an expert. he is a lawyer. everything you ask someone in the republican party, they will tell you what someone else did wrong. host: you have totelevision, foe are hearing feedback. caller: good morning. i just have a couple questions on the person being on birth

control. why can't they just push the birth control bill, where they don't have to have a abortion. host: that is why thought? ok. gary from west virginia. caller: good morning. it is amazing about the birth control. that is what they are trying to cut out along with everything. it is like nazi germany. people out here they all think they know trump. it is amazing how these people have short minds. shutting down the pipeline. go to the government and look. we export more oil than we do.

why do we have to ask for anything? if you want to keep it here, big oil companies, they do not want it. nobody was going to work. nobody was buying gas. now they have it to where they can put that money back in their pocket. host: gary, you were our last phone call of the morning. join us 7:00 a.m. eastern time. enjoy the rest of your day.

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