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that interviewclassified invest. watch the hearing tonight at 9:00 eastern on c-span, c-span now or online at c-span.org. this morning from jackson, mississippi is naacp president and ceo derrick johnson. thank you for your time this morning k let's talk about a recent cbspolls from 2020 that e black share of -- biden's share of those in key voting groups, for black ovters, his support; 80 7%. in 2024, aording■÷a cbs news poll, it is now at 76%. guest: first of all, you have to believe the premise of the

validity of any polls. weavcally, exit polls have not been accurate in ac of americans in general, particularly african-americans. we have seen, over the last four election cycles, the polls got it wrong. polls were showing that romney was winning the election, only for the outcome to be very different in terms of president the naacp, we move away from notion of to polls because they have shown to be an advisable. what we do know is it is important for -- host: when you talk voters or members of your group, whattheir support of the presid? guest: as a nonpartinganizations concerned with which candidates voters choose, particularly our members and african-americans in

general. we are more concerned with ensuring we protect this democracy, that every voter can cast an effective valid, and we understand their choices voters must make is not only about the top of the ticket, it is down ballot as well, but it is the policy issues concern. it is whether or not families we have record unemployment over the last four years■, the larget trend in over 50 years. we have seen student debt cancellation, which drastically impacted public service workers, teachers, policewho went to schd were saddled with debt. to make sure low income military veterans are relieved of medical bill debt. "emedical bills is thed americad with, so we need solutions. we can speak to solutions, individuals who

care about democracy, and individuals who care about the future of america. host: who is the best candidate for that? guest: that is the choice for individual voters. at the naacp, we say, options. in this election, in many cases, we look at the difference tween a functioning democracy in something less than democracy, so we will err democ. we want a candidate who cares about the future of america, not a product of fascism, not fall to the davis of nature we see the climate in, and ensure, regardless of our$. differences, rights are protected. host: how much money will spendd how will you spend it? this election cycle, we are focused on infrequent voters. those are individuals who do not always vote. we are concerned if a

sit at the election, particularly african-americans, who will not gepolicies require. we will spend upwards o this el, part of which is invest in local communities, so organizations, including our local branches, who are more effective in figuring out how to turn out their neighbors, as well as drill down on a message to talk about protecting our democracy and advancing public policies. host: african-americans in those infrequent voters, is it that people are telling you they will not vote because of a headland like this from politico -- biden's black voters are setting out alarm bells. the meage from focus groups is that the president's problems are real and he is running out of time to fix them. guest: well, publications like politico and others less

focused on policy issues americans care about. they focus on headlines for click date, headlines to generate ad revenue, and instead of what are the policy choices that americans need to make? we need to confront the reality that we are in the midst of a crisis resorting in far too many individuals who are unhoused. we an midst of a crisis about what is the future of work and the impact of artificial intelligence, and how do we re-tool our workers and train our young people? we are in the midst of a rise of hate crimes that we need to address and hold people accountable, so we are not living in a 1950's america but in america that must compete in a global economy. ons we need to have as a community, as a society, sot we are competitive globally and move

away we have seen emerge over the last several years. host: what do you think is the appeal of former president trump for some african-american voters? guest: well, i do not know what his appeal is, because he is a bottom feeder in terms of divisiveness and other-izing, and he has proven to be untrustworthy. we have a convicted felon who is the top of the ticket of one ofen not to be honest with e honest in the court of law, not to be honest about the true nature of what he is doing. but what is doing has less to do about the citizens of this country and more to do with egotistical behavior that has been displayed. who cheated on star, tried to cr

it up by paying people off, a violation of campaign finance law. why is this even a conversation when we are at the juncture of being a relevant country in a global economy, looking at global conflicts we need to resolve? it is unfortunate that the citizens of this country are forced to make thesedecisions, e future, we will not be at this juncture ever again. host: will the naacp be campaigning against the former president? guest: again, we are nonpartisan. we do not campaign for or against any particular candidate. we will raise critical issues. we will hope our members and african-americans right choices when they see what is in the best interest their best interest, their family's best interest, their community'f best interest, and democracy's best interest. host: here is south carolina republican senator tim scott

talking about what he believes set former president trump apart from president biden. [video clip] >> the issues that drive the resultsr the election will be can donald trump close the southern border? the answer is he already has closed the southern border. aucan he bring inflation down under 2%? the answer is it was office. can he create jobs for americans? good news is he created over 7 million jobs with the highest percentage going to women, african-americans, hispanics, and asians. wh we know about four years under donald trump we have low unemployment, low inflation, high enthusiasm, law and order exact opposite under joe biden. we have had credibly crushing inflation, leading to higher intere rates, crime in the poorest communities devastating

single mothers, like the one that we have had the greatest invasion in american history across our southern border, l■áeft wide op, unsafe, because joe n, unravelig border security. host: derrick johnson, your response? guest: well, i am not really for sure facts senator tim scott is speaking of, because the reality is, in many cases, it is the complete opposite. we had an unfortunate scenario on the border with the taking of children was a promise to builda wall along the border. the wall was never built. we have the track record of the prior administration having the worst record in job creation in the history of an president. i could go on and on. unfortunately, the spin doctors of the conservative movement,

when you do a fact-check, most of that will not hit sounds rat, but factually -- it sounds great but factually, it is inaccurate. host: let's go to nathaniel, democratic caller. caller: good morning. thank you so much for having me on. first of all, the naacp has been a bedrock in our community for years and years and years, so i want to thank them for their service. i think, coming from the blackcf our members in our community saying they are not going to vote. i do not think they truly realize the ramifications of not voting. when you do not vote, you vote for the opposite side. átow these maga people back in officehe damage they arg on our country. they want to push back all of

our rights. they do not want us to have anything. they want us servitude. we do not understand the gravity of us staying home and not voting. us to have the right to vote.r it is our response ability to vote and understand the power of voting. i wish mr. johns could speak more about that. not vote, you vote for the other side. that will hurt us tremendously. thank you, mr. johnson. i will step off line to hear your response. guest: absolutelyate. i was talking to a group of young men in detroit about two weeks ago. one of the young guys, he is about 28. he was doubting whether or not he should participate and whether it would matter. i lisd them -- it is important for us to listen to young to

really understand their point of reference, because we all come from different points of reference. when he finished, i asked a few questions. what does your mother do? i knew his mother. his mother is the chair of the parole board. i said not much is changed, however, your mother is sitting in a seat that just because we got participation -- you are living in a household that■gd ty candidate is throwing away a there is not an option here. we have a two party system, and ate reality of what we have. more importantly, if you do not dissipate and cast a ballot, that means you are throwing your opportunity away. you're going to now become null and void,d that. it is an opportunity for us to

really demonstrate not only the force and power of our collective voteut our ability to understand that decisions are one election.ne decisions are made over an arc of time, and the more we engage, the moree you may not get everything one vote, but you already sure to be listened to and get what you need over the arc of time in which youere participating. we must vote, as american citizens, because that is what democrac b let's hear from tim n illinois, independent. caller: thank you. thank you, mr.■ johnson. i want to say i am also nonpartisan. and the previous caller was from the same regiothat i grew up -- i am white, but it doesn't matter. he spoke the truth.

got one question for you, just to lighten it up, just to make song that came out in been texting everybody, emailing everybody, they should redo that song, because too many black dying. thank you, sir. guest: thank you for that comment. i remember the song. i grew up in the 1980's as well. too many americans are dying. you think about we have drills, now, people, black white, latino, asian, elementary school children, little children. it is no longer a fire drill, it is a gun violence drill. we he far too many people die because we are wrongheaded on our gun policy. i'm a hunter. i enjoy hunting. i do not need an automatic

machine gun to deer hunt o bird hunt. we need to reform howour criminw we look and treat the concerns of the right, because it really is a decision between do we want to keep our young people safe, from all communities, from all economic levels, or do we want toave individual gun rights that is is proportionate to the quality of life that we want t have? host: ed republican. welcome to the conversation. caller: i've got a question for you. we have been asking for -- ñ illegals come over here, and theyq■= get billions and billios of dollars. how come they can' that to the black did

years ago? ■■t■■ ought to be preaching about that. guest: thank you for your comment. let's be honest about what is taking place here. human beings are human beings. -- unless you are native to this nation, we are all here from somewhere else. the can never fall prey to an us versus us paradigm we need to truly look at what is equitable, what is important, and how do we live in a society in peace and prosperous lee. the other side of that is far too many indthat we are runninga workforce. so individuals who are migrating here from u■tó5er -- other

countries are being lured by corporate entities seeking a cheap labor force care that is what is really taking place. like immigrants who came here from european countries in the 1800s and the early 1920's, african americans who were forced here from the continent of africa -- came here to be exploited as a cheap labor force. when we begin tlo and why are we allowing the divisiveness of race an ethnic and gender differences create a profit margin for the billionaire class when we should be looking what is really at stake. what is at stake who is getting taxed, who is not taxed, what those tax dollars are spent ■7zz■on. that is what we should be talking about. when it comes to reparations, anytime you have a state-sponsored harm, injury, or cause of death, there should be a repairing of that.

in many ways, there is both monetary repairing but also policy repairing. i to right-side the conversation so it is not an us versus is the moral and ethical policy construct we want to have. host: as a reminder, president biden set to announce an exit of order on migration flows at the southern border. here is the wall street journal. he will seek to tighten the border, the order to limit silent to limit crossings ahead of the november election, is their headline. from the washington times, it is a daily average of -- it takes effect if the daily average of border jumpers we just 25,000. c.j., democratic caller. caller: hlo, good morning.

i would like to break■9 the isss out that i've been hearing, because i do not think they speak to the issue, which is the issue of, like, you know, our true heart, our american heart. i know it sounds wishy-washy, poetic, you know, my activism days goes back to dr. benjamin hoke's times in college -- host: can you get to your point? we have others waiting to talk to our guest. caller: ok. does mr. johnson think that pinpointing, like so-called

black issues, are sort of like when people say the abortion issue. it's not an abortion issue, it is an economic issue, it morality, with what women are up against, and what blackare up a, and our culture -- host: mr. johnson, are you following? guest: i am following, and i can respond if the caller is finished. host: go ahead. guest: i absolutely agree. our issues are affecting all americans with one sick distinction. our racial identity has been used -- with oneistinction. our racial identity has been used. are always advocating for law.

members of the naacp have a profiled view of the world. we grew up in segregated ■]america. he became a lawyer, a judge cha, he was active with the republican party, headed up the naacp -- one of his most favorite speeches was talking about who will go and really address the issues that america is confronted with? those issues are under a racial construct that has used our racial identity to prevent equal protection under the law. african-americans are confronted with our american issues. it is whether or not there is oprt prepared or a future, a future world that is

different from the past. it's whether or not our racial identity would benefit in terms of not being confronted with discriminatory practices around housing or discriminatory practices around policing. but those issues are also american issues. in terms of the heart of who we we have both a prosperous past but also an ugly history we must lear so we do not repeat the ugly history of theast as we move to a global reality of the future. host: john, ohio, republican. caller:johnson to address this . 200 years ago, slave owners broke up families and forced illiteracy. exist. these two problems stil would he explain why? guest: those still exist

because, once webolished slavery as a system supporteconf what wastruction. after those 10 years, major corporate interests from both political parties cut a deal to usher back into a system of segregation. in that system, industry mainined domination of control over the education of african-americans. they minimized the support for school distrts result of a supreme decision of separate but equal and forced states to the level and quality of education of african-american children from then the majority white children and poor white children to have

a lesser education. that continues to persist. most leaders of the nation recognize the important -- they transformed the education some 30 years agowhy they have f the highest literacy rates, because they see education as a national interest. in this country, we are tr outsn system through vouchers and charter schools as opposed to understanding it is within our national interest or train all young people to a prosperous future. you look at the city of seattle, where you have major fortune 500 tech companies, they will settle with ringing in individuals around the globe under a special visa as opposed to invest in the ■seattle public school district and train up all of those talented young people to serve

that economy of the future around tech. that is unfortunate. until we see the delivery ofm■ quality education, public education for all children as a national interest, we will continue to have the same problem. it is not just african-americans, it is poor whites, latinos, asians. at will create a lasting problem for this nation. to yvonne, independent. caller: good morning. hi, mr. derrick. i have three quick questions i need you to speak about. one, how is it thatgovernment fe to the immigrants that are crossing the border? and we here, in this

country -- i am a product of slavery, family who was enslaved. why is the hr 40 bill still sitting on the table? why are we, as black people in this country, constantly giving our black votes and we get absolutely nothing to catch&v■÷p the economics in this country? thank you so much, sir■jplease . guest: thank you for the qufirst of all, we should look t what is the priority of this nation and its spending. quite frankly, we give more money away to foreign nations than we do to try to ensure that we re-tool the workforce for the future. status for everyone. secondly, we should neverowest n denominator of why is that them and not us when there is more at the table for everyone.

breaks than we do to any single community. that is unf5ortunate. we watch as company after co benefit from a hard-working american citizens, who pay more than their fair share in taxes, only for those corporations to have taxo breaks that most american citizens are not even awaree naacp, and for÷f us, we need to move away from that comparative conveat is a dy look at what is the funding priority of this nation? how do we writepriority to benel citizens, citizens, to ensure we are competitive? that is the real conversation we need to have, and that is a conversation we can only have if we actively engage in our votes,

who understand, not fall to the destruction of race and gder and other morality arguments. host:our viewers, one can go to the naacp weitmore. the president >> c-span's washington journal, discussing the latest issues in government, politics and public from d.c. and across the country. wednesday morning we will look at psident biden's executive order which limits the number of immigrants with michelle hackman from the wall street journal and then the israel hamas