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alito shared thoughts on the polarization in the united states. justice alito express agreement unplug letter d because certain things could not be compromised. the chief justice reiterated the high court -- it is not the court's job to instill morality. these comments gained without the knowledge of the justices. you can call the numbers this morning. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to text us your thoughts on the recordings and the comments that are made, (202) 748-8003 is how you do that. you can also post on facebook at facebook.com/c-span. and you can also send us a tweet @cspanwj. news of this recording came out

yesterday. rolling stone was the first one to pick it up, and on their website if you go to it, it is behind a pay wall, but he was the headline, justice alito, on tape -- justice alito caught on tape. he agrees the u.s. should return to a place of godliness. laurenppshe is a documentary fi. she attended the annual dinner last monday. she earlier told rolling stone she approached alito as though she were a religious conservative but added, i am a do paying member, i bought a ticket, and she said she contrasted alito's comments at last year's function which she recorded with remarks made last week and said he came out more agreement in the latter when the first reaction happened, it is hard to get a

reaction■s from even lower level justices to talk about politics, anything that might imply politics to give any signal or hint what their opinions might be. i did not publish it because it was not very newsworthy. and then there is more. if you go to the washington post headline, more about the interaction that took place yesterday from their story saying that already facing criticism for the flag seen flying at the home, and was justice alito and his wife coming under fresh scrutiny and an unusual sting operation which they appeared to be secretly recorded discussing america's political divide. again, laure the one who recorded the conversations at this dinner. for her part, here is one bit with samuel alito yesterday talking but the impartiality in the united states and key issues. here it is from yesterday. [video cp] >> considering everything going on in the past year, as a

catholic and someone who cherishes my faith, i just don't know that we can negotiate in a way that needs to happen. i think it is a matter of winning. >> one side or the other is going to win. i don't know. the way of living together peacefully is difficult. there are different fundamental things that cannot be compromised. really is winning the moraln

argument. like people in this country who believe in god and keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. >> i agree with you. host: again, that was just some of the interaction at this historical society dinner last week with the journalist recording the conversation covertly without the knowledge of the justices. the washington post story this morning on this extorted every innocence that marks the political tactics being deplcourt that had been py seen on the campaign trail or instinct efforts by groups like project veritas. it was first reported by rolling stone. and again as he sat in the video, the filmmaker lauren windsor saying to justice alito that she does not think we can negotiate with the left. again, you can talk about the content of the

recordings themselves as they were made. (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8000 four democrats -- for democrats. (202) 748-8002 for independents. and you can text us at (202) 748-8003. linda and mississippi, democrats line, go ahead. caller: good morning. i am just dispirited about the supreme court. 3qthey are not applying the law according to the constitution. it seems like they are all justr own, not for the country. host: what do you think about these recent comments from samuel alito on the nature of polarization in the united states? caller: it is polarized because

of what they are doing. mostly what they are doing. trump is not the cause. he is the symptom because they are on the supreme court that will roll us back to the 1950's, taking awayights.that never hap. they are not applying the constitution. they are trying to apply a constitution to this country. we are not a christian nation. this is what they want to be. they should get on a plane and fly back to a country that is. host: ok. caller: and after clarence thomas as a black woman, i am totally wholeheartedly ashamed of him. host: ok, that is linda in mississippi. to the idea of the chief justice during the interview that was taken by the journalist, the

hill writes this morning it was the chief justice pushing back on the sentiment when lauren windsor talked to him. denied the supreme court is especially politically polarized and brushed off her ideas the u.s. is inherently christian. that is part of the interview that was on yesterday. here is a portion of that discussion. [video clip] >> i want to ask you specifically with everything atht now, you know, it is a very tumultuous time in the country. >> first of all, i think it is not a tumultuous time. it is kind of a regular thing. it has been pretty tumultuous

for a long time. >> you think this is a normal period? >>ve been quieter times. we have a lot of tumultuous stuff going on. it is not like it is an innovative thing. it is not new. i really feel like we are at a point in the country where it might be>> it is like the civil. we did that. and during vietnam. people were getting killed. this is all right. it is not alright but it is not like it is dramatically difft.>> so you'd think there ia role for this and guiding us towards a more moral path? >> would you want me to be in

charge? >> i believe in the founders who are godly, who were christian. i think we live in a christinatt should be guiding us in that path. >> i don't know if this is a christian nation and that our supreme court should be guiding us in that path. that is not our job. host: again, the comments from that secret recording on the chief justice there and justice samuel alito, their view on polarization in the world and the united states. you can add your thoughts on their thoughts or the recordings themselves. (202) 748-8000 four republicans. (202) 7480 for democrats.

(202) 748-8002 for independent. tom in illinois, go ahead. caller: i would like you to give me a few seconds, pedro, because i have some ideas. it is not a shock that conservatives believe in god and christianity, and for the left to make that out to be some crazy idea, it is just -- the polarization of the court, that came from joe biden and judge bork. they called him a racist because of affirmative action, and now you flashforward to california and they all vote against affirmative action. jefferson said if we do not have morality, our republic won't work. so where does our morality come from? it has to come from somewhere. john locke said it comes from god. so i mean these liberals out bie

court is politicized and these people are horrible people, these are things we have lived with our whole lives. host: think about the sentiments themselves from either the chief justice or justice alito? what do you think about what they expressed? caller: i think those are conservative views and they were voted in as conservatives. the court was never politicized until biden started doing that. yeah. host: ok. bonnie in florida, democrats line, you are up next. bonnie in florida, hello. caller: yeah, i'm here. host: go ahead. caller: the court is ridiculous. you have so much corruption following dona trump's presidency. it should be disbanded.

it should be disbanded and start over again. this is ridiculous. host: what did you think about the statements both men made specifically? caller: whatever they are saying coming out of their mouths is just irrelevant. too crooked. anything that comes out of their mouth, i don't pay attention. host: barney in florida giving us his thoughts. in the op-ed talks about the recording and this is the headline shown. alito stands falsely accused of candor is the headline they chose to read with. this is their editor saying the magazine rolling stone claims justice alito spoke candidly about the ideological battle between the left and the right, e living peacefully with ideological

opponents in the face of fundamental differences that cannot be compromised. the interviewer, lauren windsor, turned out to be lying to justice alito. she described yourself as a liberal documentary filmmaker. she met them by joining the supreme court historical society, buying a ticket to the annual dinner, where she recorded the conversation. she posted those recordings to twitter. this piece by the wall street journal saying this winter tells the magazine one of the main drivers for me in this work is showing americans we are at a crossroads. do we embrace the idea of secular democracy and uphold that tradition or do we start to christian theocracy? that is a little bit of the background of these recordings you can find online. you can also comment. some of you posting on our facebook page this morning before the start of the show. this is vicki mayfield from facebook saying you can hear her

leaving the question. greg moser says human beings have opinions. humans serving on the supreme 5?court should have p aside those opinions when deciding cases. if they can do that, no harm, no foul. if they cannot, they should not serve. another viewer, steve fox saying if this was a conservative film maker secretly recording private conversation with a liberal justice, she would be -- she is a prive. diane saystly recorded, i wish we could rely on a modicum of honesty. politics have always been open to certain types of corruption but i never remember it bei this bad. maybe social media brings it up. i hope we can come together to let the institutions know that we expect better. we will hear next from steve

from illinois on the independent line. caller: yeah. the court system is crazy. some of the judges are off-the-wall, i believe. when the judge is calling a man a woman, the right richard nixon, something like that, he said women have a place in sports. well, now it is men and women a in this case come above the justices were talking about polarization in the united states. what did you think of those cobomments? caller: oh, i think it is something that he believes in. the reporter said -- asked him a

question, and he spoke the truth. i have viewpoints. you have viewpoints. the united states, all 350 million of us have viewpoints. but i mean, i don't go ahead and act out on certain things or cry about this cry about that. i just take it as it comes. you know? america has to toughen up a little bit. you know? and don't cry over everything. everybody is whining. whine about. whine about that. host: that is stephen illinois giving us his thoughts.

it was the unguarded comments of justice alito in contrast to roberts, who was also secretly recorded at the event, adding that the chief justice repeatedly declined despite prompting by the filmmaker. when sug court was to put the country on the right path, he denied that. that is for people we elect, not for lawyers. that is the instances from yesterday. this news coming out of these recordings with not only justice alito but the chief justice as well. you can talk about the recordings and talk about the idea when it comes to polarization in the united states, what the justices were reflecting on the phone lines- - on. on the phone lines, robert in maine. caller: good morning.

i don't really see the controversy in these recordings. what exactly is the conversation, i mean the controversy? that they are talking about their beliefs, or what is it? host: i think they are expressing their beliefs and talking about polarization overall in the united states and we see what people think about as far as what they expressed. caller: i see. i think there was another recording that came out yesterday of nancy pelosi admitting that she failed in calling out the nationaluard. that recording, why are you not talking about that recording? that seems a lot more consequential to the country. host: wha up. as far as the justices themselves, what do you think about they said? caller: i think they were just human beings expressing their opinions. they are conservatives. they are religious apparently. so is most of the country.

i don't really understand what the goal is other than maybe some kind of a quick mate for a website -- click bait in a website. host: dana is in indianapolis on the independents line. caller: hi, pedro. pedro, i don't think there are supposed to be writers like that. alito is using his own ideology on his opinions for the court. is that correct? host: they were expressing their opinion on this conversation. again, the conversation being recorded not known to them. they gave their thoughts. what did you think of them? caller: i thought that alito was again showing how he is leading to the far right in his decisions he is making, he is not keeping up with the forefathers and the constitution.

these are his own beliefs in his if i may ask, what exactly did he say that rcaller: he wase country, it has to be one way or the other. one site has to win or the other side has to come out winning. host: ok. caller: that is what i believe. host: all right. let's hear from eddie. eddie is in massachusetts, republican line. hello. caller: good morning. yes. dwight eisenhower when he retired said the worst thing he did was his selection of judges. of course was the warren court. this was roe v. wade. as far as i understand, it just said you cannot criminalize abortion. you cann accuse a doctor, midwife, hospital clinic for a crime, but it was the congress

that changed that all around and established abortion clinics. the people are against us abortingit is against the jewis, christian, muslim, you go on, buddhist. host: their comments on polarization? caller: becausecaller: -- caller: because a lot of people call it right. it is not civil, killing a baby. don't call it civil rights. that is where the problem is. just go to an abortionist and have it done and we don't want to know about it. we don't want the government to do it. thank you. host: cal in oklahoma, democrats like. caller: yes, thank you sir. thank you for taking my call. i happen to ow anita many years ago when she lived in norman, my hometown, and i

always felt like she was being truthful, so that is my admitted bias. polarization is being driven by the fact that people of certain callers like the supreme -- collars like the supreme court seem to have no ethical balance referring to clarence thomas of course and the facttaken $4 mils and trav etc., since he was on the supreme court. people just cannot understand that when they make the rules for the rest of us. host: so wh you hear the justices talk about polarization as you saw yesterday, what goes through your mind as far as the things they are saying? caller: i am not so worked up about people being recorded. i was in politics for 30 years. things that are said in that environment, people drop their guard, but my point is that the

whole ethical issue drives the rules for the rest of us. same thing about congress an we kind of expect when people raise their hand and take an oath of office they actually mean it. host: ok. in oklahoma. one of the people drawn in the conversation and recorded as well was justice alito's wife, talking about the recent events concerning the flag at their home. some of that exchange. [video clip] >> so i met him last year. the country is so polarized. i don't know. >> i looked at happen to you and

your wife i like, how are they negotiating with the radical left? >> there is not. there is no negotiating with the radical left. you have to just win. you have to win. if we want to take the country back to a godly place, to a moral place, that means we have to do something. i am so sorry. >> i have to look across the room at a pride flag for the next month. >> exactly. >> i won't do it. but when you are free of this nonsense, i am going to send a message every single day. i made a flag in my head. i satisfied myself. i made a flag that is white, ll flames around it an italian the word that

means shame. shame, shame, shame. host: again, one of the other people drawn into that recorded conversation unbeknownst to the three involved talking about aspects of polarization. sean is in maine, republican line. go ahead. caller: thanks, pedro. i believe a lot of the polarization in the country is calculated and planned. it seems that even this show basically pits republicans against democrats. people can call. but more people are with what the last caller said. the news media outlets rwunning the thing about the flag. that flag was flown way before ar the people that

fluid before january 6 are also insurrectionists? it is a rhetorical question so i will let you answer it. caller: no, obviously not. just because the flag is associated with one event does not mean that any person in the history of that flag lying it is associated with it. host: as fe justices themselvest did you think of those? caller: those comment+3■s were d in private by someone try to manipulate them and record them to get a response. host: ok. in maine. let's hear from greg in connecticut, democrats line. hi. caller: hey, pedro. how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: on the last caller, i don't know what to say. other republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. having said that, the nomination process greg, are you there?

go ahead. caller: during the nomination pres learned a legal term. that is when you base your decision and with the previous court decided. i learned that through the nomination process. that is just about what every single nominee to the supreme court would say when asked about abortion or a controversial law, second amendment, whatever it is. we will have to look at the previous decisions by the court. when he says no so much for separation of church and state. he is pushing his values, and i would like to go back to his nomination process and see what he said about this. how does tha church and state matter specifically? caller: well, the term no

compromise, here they were at a regiam i correct about that? host: a supreme court historical society event. caller: oh, ok. you know, i just feel like as a doctorate in the law ander, constitution, that it is your job to interpret the constitution based on what its history is and what its main theory is behind it, not what your personal beliefs are. host:■g ok. greg there in connecticut. call on this. this will be from kyle up in buffalo, republican line. caller: good morning, c-span, pedro. yeah. this is what the supreme court

over the last year or so makes me really want to talk about term limits because everybody went to law school i am sure so you are supposed to rule based on the law not based on politics. the issue i have is the democratic president appoints somebody, a republican president appoints somebody. it should not be about party. you are ruling the law. as far as the flag goes with the judge's wife, as a black male, i think personal issue with it because they were all on colin kaepernick for kneeling. here we have the upside down state, which is a military thing. host: you get from those interviews that the comments they made were inherently political? caller: yeah. yeah. that is one thing. that is why we keep getting more separate as a country, because everything is political now it is like if your agenda or -- i

am more sensitive to black issues, that flag issue came up with colin kaepernick and i was more supportive because there were military veterans who basically encouraged him to do it. now we have the other side who is messing around with the flag and it seems like it is ok, you know? we just can't agree is a country opinions. that is why i think we really need to put some term limits on the supreme court. honestly, pedro, it is getting too out of hand. we have to rule with the law. i thought that is what this country is based on, the rule of the law. that is all i got. host: ok, kyle there in new york finishing off the topic for the lfthanks to all of you who participated. if you want to continue on the comments from jtice alito or

chief justice john roberts when it comes to matters of political polarization in the united states, you can continue on and make them during our open forum as we roll into that. if you want to add other things to the open forum, you can do that. again, here are the numbers. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. an independents -- and independents, (202) 748-8002. those are the lines you can call in open forum. comments on the previous topic, other topics of politics if you want to add that. in the theme of recordings, as n recording came out yesterday. this was from the house oversight committee. fox news picking up that story. a previously unreleased video taken on januaryhows then speaker nancy pelosi saying she takes responsibility for law enforcement's lack of preparedness.

a tweet on x buy a house republican panel obtained video that appears to show a frustrated plosive being evacuated from the capital complex and an intense conversation about how the evacuation was. this was released by the house ov on their xterday. [video clip] >> we diaccountability for whats going on there and we should have. this is ridiculous. you could ask me in the middle of the thing when they already breached us, should we call the capitol police, i mean the national guard? y wasn't the national guard there to begin with? they don't know. they clearly did not know, and i

take responsibility. host: again, that was from the house oversight committee. that was released yesterday. one of the comments that came along with the release of that video, this was a representative saying pelosi's january 6 select committeelse political narratives using hollywood producers for their "investigation." her admission of responsibility directly contradicts their own narrative, according to the chair of the subcommittee on oversight. so that was released yesterday too. to add into the mix when it comes to courting some of this recording came out yesterday, you can do so on the lines. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002. those comments were made when nancy pelosi was speaker of the house.

e appearing on msnbc to talk abt the release and give context to the release of that, here is a portion of that interview from yesterday. [video clip] >> why do you think this has stirred up a brouhaha on the right and in some corners of the media today? >> well, because the fact is the president of the united states, the former president, and his people do not want to face the facts. they are tg ut we cannot let use dragged into their again false presentation of what happened. they know what happened and how serious it is and was and continues to have an impact on our country and yet they want to call the people who were in there hostages. host: again, all of that took

place yesterday. on open forum, this is stanley in florida, independent line. go ahead. caller: i watched the january tapes. i watched when pelosi was on. also, chuck schumer. the vice president, they tried to hang him. donald trump sat there and did nothing. i watched them go after the january 6 people that did it. they want to go after■l nancy pelosi, biden's wife. he wants to go after all the people that did that. jail, the criminals. he wants to release every one of them. host: what did you think of speaker pelosi's words exactly on the day up as released by this video? caller: i don't know what she said, but i have seen the whole

thing. i have seen it on television last nightand schumer, only he l the national guard. she cannot call the national guard. she can call all day. she can ask. host: kevin in indiana, go ahead. caller: yeah. as soon as trump is elected, he needs to release all of these people out of these prisons and commute all of the sentences of those who were rioting at the capitol. the whole thing in my opinion was people extremely upset that this election to them was fraudulent because the democrats used covid to bypass state legislation in"; all of those states, pennsylvania being one of them, and circumvent the law

they had on the books for elections. they went and did absentee ballots to everybody and their brother. idate. host: how does that all go back to january 6 specifically? caller: because nancy pelosi -- the democrats created the problem, upset millions of americans, not just hundreds of thousands, but millions and millions and millions of americans, upset them that this election was fraudulent. or gate at the possibility of being fraudulent. that is what caused january 6. next plosive gets on there and says it was her fault. writer on video, she said it was my fault i did not prepare for enraging the democrat party, enraging millions of americans that their votes were stolen. host:. patty -- ok, patty in houston, democrats line. caller: yes. hi.

thank you for taking my call. 8hyou know, i've really,o make t with that. they are trying to -- january 6, they counted the votes and counted the votes. it is not what they say. it is what the people say. the president of the united states. this is just not right the way the republicans are doing. they are behind -- trump is their dictator. we are not in russia or another place where they dictate that they stay in office for years and years. we have a constitution for every four years so people can pick what is best for our country. there is the justice department up there with clarence thomas

and the other thing and their wife. it is not right. host: ok. caller: it is just so hurtful the way all of them is doing. host: ok. let's hear from doug in virginia, independent line. caller: yes, pedro, thanks for taking my call. first-time calr for c-span. just listening to people on your show, i listen to it every morning. i just kind of get frustrated with the fact that people cannot get along. you know? it is likely lost the art of this agreement but yet the ability to disagree and still get along. this whole thing with january 6 and all of that stuff, whether there is one fraudulent vote or a billion fraudulent votes, it should be investigated, period. that is all i really have to

say. thank you for taking my call. host: by the way, the video we just showed you with then speaker pelosi, it was a video shown by the former speaker's daughter, a documentarian, easily provided by republicans pushing to undermine the january 6 committee. it captures extensive conversations among congressional leaders as they struggled to comprehend their rushed evacuation. they were shown part of the previous panel's work in a documentary by alexandria pelosi. much of it had never been released. hbo did not immediately respond for comment. this is to the video we showed you that was released yesterday by the house oversight committee. andy in kentucky, republican line. caller: thank you all. i just want to say you are doing a great job.

this thing with nancy pelosi, the truth is finally coming out. thank the lord. she should bone. there should be term limits for one thin pelosi, she needs to be gone home. a bunch of them that have been up there way too long, they need to go home. and we need to have term limits. they will represent the people. and one more thing, we need to turn back to the lord. and also, the supreme court, they need to be term limitsthese doing an event like that, they have a right to voice their opinion on different things when they are not on the bench. they have every right because they are american citizens just like we are. if they cannot voice their opinions, something is wrong. host: sharon lisa in

massachusetts on the democrats ne on this open forum go ahead. caller: hello? host:caller: for one, trump lied about the election. now, after the election, there was plenty of, recounts. he lost. he lied to the people. he brought them to washington, d.c., on january 6. he made sure the capitol was not secure the way it was supposed to be that day. yes, i am sure nancy pelosi felt, you know, after the fact that she should have made sure that was more secure. i understand that, but it was not her fault. and wouldn't it be the president's job? he is at the top.

d is in charge ofing the nation. wasn't it his job? he was the one that made sure that the capitol was not -- host: video showed nancy pelosi on the day of taking responsibility for it. what did you think of that exchange? caller: wel sure she did feel a little responsible because somebody made sure that they did not secure it enough. they did not think that january 6 was going to happen the way it happened. that is trump's fault though. and this notion that the january 6 people are political prisoners and they are hostages is disgusting. host: ok. caller: very disgusting. host: doug is next in maryland on the independent line. caller: ok i feel that nancy pelosi was trying to be a leader. she was complaining about her team, the government, not doing

more to protect the capitol. so she was being a leader by overcompensating and taking more responsibility than she should, unlike donald trump, who called the rioters into washington, d.c., sent them to the capitol even though he knew the metal detectors were going off, showing they had weapons, and sitting in his office for three hours cheering them on. and calling the national guard is an executive function, not a legislative function. nancy pelosi could have done what she had done during the day at the capitol, which is call the military directly and ask for aid. but it is donald trump who is responsible for signing that. thank you. host: that is dug in silver spring, maryland, concerning the former president.

he completed his mandatory presentencing interview monday.a person familiar with the matter told the associated press a person not authorized to speak publicly and did so on condition of anonymity. he was quizzed by a new york city probation officer for a report required by law to help determine his punishment when he is sentenced on january 11 -- sorry, july 11, in his hush money criminal case. the interview was conducted privately by videoconferencing. the resulting report which may include information about mr. trump's conviction and family and implement history and social and economic status remain confidential unless the judge authorizes.its release that is that's authorizes its release -- authorizes its release. that is from the associated press. the hunter biden trial on gun charges, the jurors must decide whether he is guilty oftzk< fedl

firearms charges over a revolver he bought. democrats line, this is from tony in detroit caller: good morning. host: morning. go ahead. caller: i would just like to make a comment as far as i just saw donald trump over the weekend in las vegas, and he actually said that he did not even care about his voters, he just cared about the votes. you know, as far as hunter biden and all of this other stuff in nancy pelosi with the january 6 insurrection, i mean, donald trump unleashed it. it is just a shame that the democrats, who i vote for, they take three years to come up with this.

it is like donald trump and the republicans are insects. whenever they hear something, whether joe biden stumbles, he slurs his speech because of his speech impediment, the republicans and fox news and newsmax, they are right on it, but the democrats take three years to even bring out that it was donald trump's fault on january 6. this is a sad day that no one from the democreally stepping ud challenging or really it is not just joe biden that is slow. the democratic party is slow. host: ok. beck in miss. caller: yeah, can you hear? host: mhm. caller: the thing i was just

thinking about, one thing i never hear on the democratic side when it comes to the january 6 stuff is just basically have -- i mean, we all were aware and we saw what donald trump said, go and make your voices heard, vote peacefully. that is the one thing they seem to leave out. i was there day one. whenever joe biden got sworn in, i was working in the oil and gas industry. and i lost my job because of the covid vaccine mandate because i was definitely nervous about it and i knew it was new mrna technology, all this kind of stuff, and i am not a scientist by any means, but i also have sincerely held with the disbelief that made me not want to take that vaccine. nowadays we are seeing s■#tuff come out about it. it has been ruled it is not even

a vaccine. there is 35 million people worldwide that have been killed because of the vaccine mandate we are still hung up on nancy i just saw today she took accountability, took the blame p ordering the national guard to be there january 6. nancy pelosi said she did not want them there because she did not like the look of them being there. now she is taking responsibility for it. there is just absolutely no accountability on the democratic side. host: ok. that exact. let's hear from pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: good morning. a quick comment about the nancy pelosi come in. i think nancy plus he was asking as a leader as she always has been. she took responsibility because donald trump sat the oval office and just watched he did not care because he sent the people there. it was the whole january 6 event.

that was all orchestrated by donald trump because he wanted to stay in the office and it is just not fair. nancy pelosi is a wonderful human being. she is taking sponsibility because she is a leader. america, you need to wake up and see what is going on. it is nothing but smoke and mirrors around here with donald trump. he wants to be a dictator. he said it over and over again. we need to wake up about it. host: ok, erica in pennsylvania. jamie raskin call republican arguments fortz garland simply ludicrous as the gop pushes ahead with an effort to hold him in contempt of congress. the house committee is set to meet tuesday to advance a resolution. they are seeking to condemn merrick garland.

have the transcript with robert hurt. republicans manufactured allegation that attorney general garland obstructed their impeachment in fiery by withholding the tape of president biden's interview with special counsel hur. no new evidence of an impeachable offense will emerge from an audiotape which the republicans have the full transcript. they have the content because the doj gave them a transcript of it and showed how president biden answered every question he was asked. expect to watch for that today on our networks on c-span when it comes to the events there. watch our website and closely follow the house rules committee. they will debate that any can see that starting around noon at c-span.org. that is where you can find it. let's hear from mike in houston, republican line. caller: morning, pedro. host: morning. caller: first of all,where was'?

he was the one on video over and over saying, go to the capitol. where does he live? not where does he live, but where was his testimony? secondly, nancy pelosi selected the january 6 committee members. how precious is that? she gets to select as if she has some unbiased view. host: that is because she turned down republican request for some members to be on the committee and republicans in turn held back from putting members on the committee. caller: precisely. how is it she is the ultimate judge and executioner of new goods on the committee? members of the congress are elected already. i just find it just timely and way too partisan for nancy pelosi to do that. also, the mayor of washington, d.c., rejected from's request --

trump's request for national guard. these are all rearview mirror things. i understand the nature of the program's open forum but i think joe biden, his record is absolutely indefensible. positively indefensible. the quality of life, credit card debt, interest rates, utility bills, all of those things that crush disposableple. host: william in ohio, independent line. caller: hello. how are you today? host: fine, thank you. go ahead. caller: i just want to say they keep saying these things like are you better off than you were four years ago? absolutely. i absolutely am doing a lot better. four years ago, i cannot see family. my finances are not that bad.

my job pays very well. also, he has been a great job for this country. i just feel like this country is in great shape. we cannot let that orange oompa loompa take over the country again. host: leslie in georgia on the democrats line. caller: hello, pedro. host: hi. caller: hi. first of all, nancy pelosi was that the president of the united states on january 6. muriel bowser was not the president of the united states on january 6. it is the president of the united states of america to keep our country safe from foreign attacks and domestic attacks, so to blame nancy pelosi is definitely ridiculous.

i want the democratic politicians to get off of your butt and start reminding people of how donald trump waited 188 minutes to call the people out. it wasim. he caused this problem. host: the speaker herself took responsibility in her own words. what did you think of that? caller: she was just being a leader. she was feeling bad about the capitol and the first place. that is all she was doing. but the country, we all know it is the president of the united states that has the overall responsibility to keep us all safe. andy -- and he owes russia there but -- their butt. ibarra money and 1995 and that is why that he borrowed money in 1995 and that is why he is for vladimir putin. caller: i want to make this very

clear. donald trump did request 10,000 to 20,000 national guards. it takes in washington, d.c., three people to sign for the national guard. the mayor■1 and the house speak. because where the capital is it is not controlled by the governor so it takes three people. host: the capitol is located in the district of columbia. caller: correct, so there is no government. it takes three people to call for the national g call on the f january for the national guard. and they denied trump. the second thing is there is a video that shows nancy pelosi's daughter talking to john when they came into the capitol saying to john sullivan, we did

it, we did it. what does she mean when she said that on video? host: ok. that is from the justice security website that takes a look at 6 -- issues including january 6. he ordered the national guard to be ready for on january 6, as many as 10,000 national guard troops were told to be on the ready there was just one problem, the claim is not true. the house select committee investigatedthoroughly investigs issue, question multiple witnesses about it, interviewed cap this document. the committee could not find any evidence to support the claim. chris miller directly refuted it in his testimony under oath, explaining the president did not issue such an order. there is more there at the justice security website if you want to check that out. penny new york, democrats line. hello. caller: hello. host: you are on.

caller: yes, i saw the film that blows his daughter made. at film, you see her call mike pence to call the national guard. if it was her duty to do that, he would not have to call up mike pence to get it done. it was pence who finally got them there. host: one more call this will be from jennifer in new jersey on the republican line. caller: morning, pedro. how are you today? host: fine, thank you. go ahead. caller: this is a great conversation coming out and being spoken about, but the one thing it does show is that years go by and people like me have called in and said how we felt about the stop the steal and what happened in 2020. can't change it. moving on. here you have pelosi going ahead and admitting it was on her watch that she should have had the national guard there. it has been proven the national guard was called up by trump.

it has been proven that they were denied. they did not want it for updates. you can show the public the truth until the cows got they will still go ahead and support what they believe. almost like they have stockholm syndrome. i don't know what else to say. i am not the truth is coming up. thank you for taking my call. host: thanks to all of you who participated in open forum. we talked about partisanship earlier in the program. partisanship takes place this coming wednesday. this will b the ballfield among republicans and democrats on wednesday. republican and democrat lawmers will face off in the annual baseball game for charity. we will have live coverage of th game on c-span. c-span now, and online at c-span.org. first up we will hear from the

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initiative, what the message you're sending generally to latino voters this time of year? guest: that america still is that country where anybody from anywhere from nothing can achieve anything. we have to defend those american principles of economic freedom, educational freedom, that one can have private property rights and at the same time, we must restrain the centralization of so much money and power in washington. at we empower the private sector for productivity and growth. that we distinguish the american dream but we have to be free to do that. host: what are they telling you about the way they think prosperity is working out for them? guest: that government is over-regulating, over-taxing. that politicians have too much power in the sense that they are

controlling every bit of our behaviors and decision-making. so what that has done of course as it has stifled energy production, entrepreneurship, opportunity. i think the government has just intruded into every aspect of our lives and i think we need to reverse that. that rugged individualism. host: it sounds like what you're saying affects a lot of different groups, not particularly latino. guest: a lot of latinos believe in the american dream. so i think what they are seeing now is an america that they don't recognize and if we continue down this path it is going to be in america that is not what we envision.

so i think a lot of latinos are paying attention. this a lot of mistrust in the media but there's also a lot of mistrust and politicians and parties. and so the folks that they believe are latinos themselves who go to church with them, go to school with them. neighbors who work with them. these are the folks mobilize now across the cou fellow the tino's, talking about the haships that they go through. there's another direction that this government can take. those are the conversations we are having. course, life is 20% more expensive since this is ministration took off. host: in a poll that was released earlier this year, about 36 point 2 million eligible latino voters have a 50% share of the entire electorate. ov1 %

are 18-21 years old. what are they telling you about achieving what you're looking for? who will want to guest: defend this principle that we believe in, that we came to america for? one of the ways that their energy abundance. that you get to decide who your doctors are, the government doesn't get to decide for you. parents are empowered to send school of their choice and have that kind of school choice, that kind of educational freedom at the same time.

young kids i think are looking for those candidates who still believe in those american principles. that is who we are promoting and dog. the principles we are talking about. especially youth, ihowed that lr and larger percentage of young latinos are self identifying as either more moderate or conservative and identified as very liberal or liberal. host: why do you think that is? guest: i think that's because it has become the party of marxist university professors. the party of folks who block traffic, the middle class on their way to work to try to impose an agenda.

the party who made all these college loans to doctors and lawyers on the backs of the middle class folks who didn't get to go to college, folks who did not incur debt, made responsible decisions, for those college graduates who were responsible and paid off their debt. there is a resentment about the kind of treatment that certain classes get. get the brunt of everything. not even being considered, being last in line when it comes to politicians, and blacks make up 45% of american citizens. they are the ones getting stuck with the bill, they should have a voice and they should mobilize in support of those candidates who are going to make it. host: this is daniel garza joining us. republicans, (202) 748-8001.

democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to text us your thoughts, (202) 748-8003 is how you do that. you can always post on facebook and on xp as far astself, who au comprised of? guest: about 300 or 400 donors who contribute to our organization from across the country. in the latino community, it should be part of our mobilization effort. and we've been added now for over 12 years. we do a lot of electioneering through our sister organization. that's how we make our endorsements and volunteers and activists across the country in

support of those who we think are going to put america fir. host: your organization is largely backed foundation, is that guest: still the case? guest:charles and david were some of the initial founders, that is exactly right. charles continues to be a contributor and i couldn't be prouder to associate with a fine american who is just doing incredible work to create opportunity for others. we believe in a free america. in individuals who have been working from the bottom up to have purpose in life. we work together and are proud to associate with them. host: i want to show you the digital ad that the biden administration is trying to target to latino men. i want to get your response. >> i am a marine, i know what

trust is and a guy like donald trump that attacks women and brags about it, that is not trust. i'm with joe biden because he will give my daughter their freedom back. >> i'm joe biden and i approve this message. st: what do you think about the approach? guest: character assassination. are undermining your opposition. if that is the route you want to take, i think a lot of people are turned off by it. americans want to know what you're going to do to reduce high interest rates, reduce inflation that is crippling a lot of the middle class, especially latinos who make up a big chunk of the middle class. what are you doing to create opportunities for our kids? to make sure that they have educational opportunities?

what are you doing to make sure that health care remains in the private sector affordable and assessable? we continue to attack people and demonize people, that is one approach, but i disagree with turned off by it.ppl host: what do you think about latino voters generally, what they think of the former president as a conct i think a s have looked at the timing of this, how flimsy the cases are and it is a political job. democrats have been talking a lot about threats to democracy. this was an attack on democracy. this is usurping the decision of the american people in choosing the kind of leadership that they want. so you have preempted them by trying to incarcerate your opposition. you've been projecting the war on democracy when you're actually committing it yourself. it is just the timing that once

he announced everything that happens, it just looks bad. ■eit stinks of a third world approach to getting rid of the opposition that you fear. whether you are finding donald american people should decide who they are going to elect. host: will your organization endorse him? guest: we've not endorsed a presidential candidate for the last three cycles. we will probably stay out of it thishost: as far as encouraging people to vote for the former president, how should the trump when it comes to thed what is latino community, he has to connect. the way you connect is you show

up. you come to where we are at. at our communities, at our events. you have to show you care. second, you have to make your case. you have to tell me why your ideas are superior to the opposition. you have to show me the outcome of your previous policies in your previous term. ■uyou have to make your case. and third, you have to come to me with the latino community. it has been kind of cringey to see the kind of outreach that democrats seem to have on their heels with the latino community because the shifting numbers are not good at engaging with latinos. it has been kind of cringey. a lot of stereotyping going on.

you guys matter, but you got to connect. host: washington, d.c. democrats line for our guest daniel garza. caller: i was interested to hear mr. garza that your group is not supporting donald trump because first of all, let me just that any time world history, production.hat is l it is the highest ever in world history. trump who you said you are not supporting. what do you think about the heritage foundation right down the street from your studio that is planning to deport 10 million, 15 million undocumented people in america? what do you think about those plans that are being drawn up

and donald trump supporting those plans? guest: first of all, i think latinos would resist any kind of dynamic where you have lawlessness, where you have chaos. that is exactly what we had at the border. at this point they don't have operational control. i live in texas. i live a hal mile between --. we see what happens. in real time. nobody has to tell me that this administration has broken a lot of promises when it comes to immigration. four nephews working in border patrol. they human ttrade, the cartels y

dominate the other side of the border. you have to go straight to where they are at. looking over your shoulder the whole time, a scary situation. it creates an insecurity. my sister at gunpoint had her vehicle taken from her two years ago. real stuff that is happening. children's lives are being impacted by it. of responsible governing that should be taking place on the border. and so because we resist this lawlessness and this chaos that is happening, someand it is notn administration and certainly not made orca's.

some of the extreme plans that are being considered is because of what is being shown right now at the border. inhe absence of good policy, of good governance, bad ideas are going to take place. i just wish that responsible people would come together and reach some kind of consensus. and all the honest with you, the democrats have broken their promises on achieving immigration reform time and time again. they've told the latino community four years go by, nothing. then you asked what happened? for years passed by. the republicans, they won't play ball. you didn't say that. he promised immigration reform. and then four years go by and nothing happens. and it is the republicans. why has not the biden administration convened the

republican to the white house and tried to reconcile their differences and reach some kind of consensus? we can do security and then address the issues of people who are gaining asylum. host: that was floated and passed in the senate and trounced by republicans. guest: yes. it was an elti gambit that was done just to score political points that would have codified exactly what is going on right now at the border. everybody knows it, everybody sees it. it was bogus to begin with. it never had a chance. so why don't you convene the opposition and began hammer out a difference. you will plall and you will negotiate in good faith. but no, we don't get that.

it is just to have this lawlessness continue. host: roxanne in florida, republican line. caller: good morning. i'd like to say i am a black woman living in florida, a very middle-class part of the state. hispanics and a lot of blacks are totally part of the trump coalition. we cannotpolls to vote for him. as a matter of fact, every time he comes down here, every time he's even in the orlando part of the state and he is in the west coast, you have an amount of blacks and hispanics. and what i thought was so wonderful to see was during the

recent parade, the throngs of people who were out there in support of donald trump. the same thing that has occurred in california. i think that hispanics and blacks are tired of being told by anyone who to vote for when we know the person to vote for donald trump 2020 for all the way. host: ok, roxanne in florida. gues she's a fan. there's no question that i think donald trump is the most famous person in the world. he has appeal to a lot of latinos for different reasons but there is another reason why latinos are switching over more to the republican side or to the central left. one is the bad outcomes of this administration in terms of the economy. just the radical fringe that has taken over the party, people are sort of turned off by it. also, feeling left out in states like nevada and michigan.

i think in the 80's, 20 percent of americans were union members. now barely over 10%. there isn't the kind of mobilization that unions are doing as well.you are not loyal. one million youth turn 18 every year. 1.4 eligible citizens are the chinos in america. and so you are starting to see these new voters. 20% of all latino voters in this ng to be new. no party loyalty at all. i've gone on univision and telemundo and i've seen it. the conversations they are holding on policy and elections across their viewership and i think that has balanced the conversation within the teedo community more. i think the republican party is

very familiar, engaging and connecting with the latino community. i think all these sort of factors are tilting latinos toward the central right much more. host: if you look at exit polling about 65% of latino voters giving their support to mr. biden and about 32% to mr. trump. you think that is going to change drastically? guest: it has. i know that for example, the base has always been for the republican party in rural states and males. and for the democratic party it was urban, college-educated women and youth. youth are starting to switch over. they are becoming much more conservative, much more central right.

and women are starting to pay more attention, especially married women. so i think that those are the blocks that are starting to distance themselves away. host: marilyn, democrat line. caller: thanks for taking my call. big c-span fan and turned on today and heard your chatter. just wanted to say i am an old white guy but i totally decided to -- those people of color. as a, it makes me sad. i like to hear discussion on fixing this. and as i'm listening to you guys talk, the question was askedho you are funding this with. you mentioned the coat brothers.

i've been doing a lot of research here in my retirement and a lot of the books i read was dark money, which highlights the lives and times of charles and david. urious to know if you've read that book and if you have, how it explains your waffling on supporting trump because the brothers actually are not bigbut they are in lines ideas. one of the main takeaways from the book that i got was their main objective was essentially to eliminate all of government except for the military to protect them. so what was your thought on the dark money if you have read it?

guest: i mean look, americans get toons. they get to advocate for policies they believe in. they get to try to persuade fellow citizens and petition their leaders for policy change to try to make a w fthey want elected. it takes resources to do that. so we have a structure in place that allows within the law a framework which we comply with 100% to advocate for those policies or those election changes. so that is what we do. the left does it, the center-right does it. orn and just let one side to the advocating? that doesn't make any sense. i'll tell you a story about charles koch who is a friend of

mine who i dearly admire and respect. we are addressing some folks who are supporters, and the video showed a pastor in an alley with these bikers and they were praying because they were addicted to drugs and they needed help, some kind of spiritual change that is needed. this meek and mild pastor, and so i ceded the podium to charles and he came up and -- he had tears in his eyes and he said this is why we do this, because we are changing lives. we are improving lives so that

they can fulfill their potential. and i just admired him so much. he takes the spears. he takes the attacks. he doesn't have to do this. but he makes the sacrifice to do this with his own resources and puts his name out there. they oppose his ideas may be of having a free america, a free country, a free people, trading freely. if you are in opposition to that, you are in opposition to that. but you have to respect his rights as an american. as you have to respect mine as i respect yours. that is what we do america. host: independent line, pat, hello. guest: caller: i wanted to s the guest talked about regulations.

i was a business owner before i retired in one of the things i really hate is what people won't do right. my daughter when she went to college, i paid half the amount. they now separate not just the board, but all these other fees now that my grandson is actually going to school. and i don't have a problem even though i paid cash for my daughter to go to school. the burden for some of these people are so high because of the tuition increases. if we can pay for all the money for war, we need to be able to pay for these student loans to be abated. look at all the money that we spent during covid for people who got away scott free. even some of our legislators who did not have to pay that money back. they were already getting a salary, why should they than in

fact take government money? free is not free enterprise in this country. black people in this country built this country. they stole people from another country with their skills and to be quite honest with you for as long as we thing here, we are not as far as we should be. want to talk about free? your cell phone and many other things that black people did. it was free for some people but it wasn't free for others. activity that is making it unsafe and some of the southern countries. so it's not just -- host: you put a lot there for the guest, i will let him respond0. guest: i progress in america can only be as swift as our progress in education. education can position some people for success. making the right life decisions. staying away from jail, illegitimacy, getting college degrees or at least a haskell diploma. learning a language, all that.

my parents when they came to america didn't know english. didn't have a haskell diploma. they didn't know how to start a business. they had a fourth grade education, farmworker. and yet they achieve the american dream. they learn the language, got their driver's license, started a business and became successful and positioned me for success. in america, you have to work hard. but that is the promise. you put in the work and then you get the results. i believe strongly in a haskell educatn.as a farmworker growingl i was 19 years of age, because of my life situation, i'm a high school dropout. i die i was working in the fields in the orchard in california, washington and nebraska. i had to overcome those barriers.

i got my ged, went off to college and got back on track. i don't regret one thing that happened in my life. one hardship, one sacrifice that i had i am now grateful r what i have. as americans, sometimes we lose track of that. there is a sense of gratitude. i started this by saying this is a country that anybodyfrom anywn achieve anything. what we had to help people to overcome these barriers. to help them learn the language, ticket haskell diploma. 33% of latinos don't have a haskell diploma. 50% of us don't have a drivers license. these are major barriers to opportunity that we have to address is americans. the former caller talked about

the plight of minorities. i believe strongly that those who keep to themselves, the elderly, children, disabled folks, veterans, the government, we must take care of it. it is our responsibility. regardless of the circumstances, they are able-bodied people. we should be creating opportunities. jobs are the best way to get people back on track. give them a purpose in life or they can earn their achievements. when you give people purpose, watch them go. they are going to achieve incredible things. regulations are important and there have to be basic regulations that make sense. but sometimes you just go too far. just one regulation on top of

another in a way that is more accelerated than these burdens and regulations. host: the libre initiative, daniel garza serves as their president. earl in indiana, republican line. caller: mr.garza, i really appreciate you being on there today. others who have been on there make no see but■ç i am a moral man of 87 years old. i work hard, i had seven children. i worked my butt off. is my life, my children. they don't want to work for it. always give, give, give. look, it doesn't take a smart person to have a good idea about something. they don't have to have world.

love your neighbor,, put god first. because when you take that out of the government office, that is when this country went to hell. if we don't get god in this country, you people that don't believe in god, your day is coming. and i tell you what. what is going on in this world today. he loves his country, he's fighting hard, he's took everything that you've got with democrats giving. guest: america estill a country of people of faith. i think we have to embrace folks

of all strengths and creeds and religions. my parents made me who i am today. that is probably why i'm conservative and central right. i fight for the things. i think a lot of latinos fight for those things. for those american principles, american freedoms. freedom to petition your government, freedom of expression. those are all under assault right now. they are getting more engaged on these issues. people of faith are also getting more involved. a lot of our volunteers actually come from the church community. folks who want to get more involved in the community and make a difference and defend what they feel to be these american principles that should be passed onto to the next generation. in defending freedom of religion and faith and any intrusion on

■ government. host: you talked about asylum and the biden administration. what shouldlegal immigration? guest: they have to work with democrats. they have to reach a consensus. we have a broken immigration system. americans believe in immigration, we want to expand legal immigration. we have to address market forces. immigration has made america strong. 250 million immigrants have come to. they've come to work hard, they've come to improve their lot in life with their family and their children and the next generation. and they've done so. they've created wealth for themselves and for others. the economy of california is bigger than the entire economy of mexico. america is prosperous and it has to do with a long line of immigrants that have come to

america. republicans don't get to define what immigration reform is, and not the democrats. they both tvewe have a u.s. hof representatives and the senate who represent different faiths from across the country. they want to expand immigration. but they don't want what is happening right now at the border. they don't want the lawlessness and chaos that we have. the flexibility that is demanded of the border. we get to decide who comes into the country. we get to set the conditions. and right now we've lost control of that. this frustration that americans are feeling over what is happening. the next initiation day one has

let's get to a long-term congressional solution that is bipartisan or nonpartisan and fix this. whatever is happening at the border, the status quo is not working. host: it's been reported that the biden administration is considering protection for thousands of undocumented u.s. citizens. what do you think about an approach like that? ■jguest: 100%. look, if you are an american, a child of undocumented in america, there is no question again. right now we have 2 million farm workers across america, 90% undocumented. we are creating a two-tiered system of folks.

many of the folks who are undocumented and live in the shadows don't get the benefits of citizenship and then we have 370 million americans were citizens. it is a two-tiered system that doesn't work. people but we need to bring order to the border before anything. host: this is adam joining us from washington, d.c., go ahead. caller: i just want to say this is the first time i've completely resonated with a guest on the show. everything that i feel, you just i'm really proud to have you on here. you talked about faith, family and country. i love that patriotism. i met my wife in california, and

i think we need more of that today. i'm curious to talk a little bit about your perspective on how faith is so important in the community as well as country and family. i'm just curious, how does religion play into the next presidential cycle? guest: my family, like many families, my aunts and uncles and cousins, is an integral part of our lives. it informs our values, it informs my politics. faith in our community is everything. d to evangelical when i was six years old. i saw him as a drunk and adulterer. he had about every vice you can think of. ■one night my uncle had invited him to church and he was moved

by the holy spirit and he went to the altar and had a come to jesus conversion literally in the most classic way and i saw my dad completely alter his entire life that night. became a responsible person, has loved my mother, love the word of god. i don't admire any man in this entire world more than my own father. i think the world of them, they are still with us, thank god. my faith has played an important role and it plays an important role for a lot of americans. i was asked by a group of harvard students if i believed in --. and i said look, i think word is taken on bad connotations. i think there are people who practice value were people of

character who have generated wealth over different generations, who have worked hard, who have made sacrifices for their children and they pass on that wealth to the next generation or to their children. they work hard to make sure their child goes to the right school, gets the right kind of education, it's the right job. they work hard, and to dismiss all that i think the hard work ■(hic, faith means value to me as well. it is the glue that keeps the country together. as americans, we have shared values, shared aspirations, shared dreams. we have to continue to be that country. if we lose our immoral compass, i don't know we will recognize the america. host: one more call, independent

line in virginia. running short on time so go ahead. caller: good morning. i just wanted to tell youe to the united states as a child of almost 14. i can assure you that we do not support the ex-president who denigrates hispanics and latinos on a daily basis in support frot and very unfriendly populations of the country. so i don't know why you are indicating that hispanics are for mr. trump when you know quite well that's not true. thank you. guest: thank you for that. absolutely you are entitled to your view, to your position as an american.

you get to vote for your preference. i'm not asking you to vote for donald trump. i don't think i said that. i will put on my how as libre action and tell you that i do have preference. i do believe that there are candidates across america who are going to take us down a better direction, especially in the senate. i think sam brown is terrific in nevada. i also think bernie hirono is going to be outstanding in ohio. cormac and pennsylvania. montana. in wisconsin. these are strong candidates. as a latino, i get to support who i want as an american. i do not represent all latinos or the views of all latinos and neither does any other latino represent my views. we are 65 million individuals with different preferences,

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we really started shooting this in the wake of the october 7 hamas attack and then as this war is developed, and protest movement has developed on no idea that it would culminate as it has with the end of the school year and crashes with police and schools, presidents having to testify in front of congress. it's been quite a wild story. host: if you had to take a look at it in retrospect, what do you think the increase is coming from? what do you think of the main driver? guest:one is generational. i think the sixth -- this generation of students is activated about this war for lots of different reasons. think social media plays a big role in that.

but one focus on in the film forces that are looking to sort of project a narrative here. whether it be pro-israel or pro-palestinian or political forces or political activists with various different agendas, we've found that in our reporting, with everyone looking to set the narrative here, that has created this kind of tempest that we've seen in the past 7, 8 months. host: specifically, who would people recognize outside of the students themselves? guest: we start the film right on the evening of october 7 and we set the film initially at harvard university where you have student groups of roughly 30 or so students sign a statement that essentially in the first line of the statement

held the israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence and the statement did not mention hamas, and we talked to the students that wrote it in the documentary. so you immediately see a reaction to that. jewish students and professors and other notable people on campus, and then immediately from the outside whether it was donor pressure and donors who are incensed about this and wanted to see this react. you also saw politicians, of course on both sides of the i'll come out and make statements. these are activists like christopher russo come out and say that this type of statement that these students made was indicative of a larger problem on universities with diversity, he sees to be the sortograms of moral rock that is happened on campuses.

those forces converged almost within the first 24 hours and then of course intensified over the month. host: if you were a supporter of those protests that took place and you want to ask him about what he saw, (202) 748-8000. if you oppose them, (202) 748-8001. and if you're a college student or a college administrator or work at a college and want to give your perspective, (202) 748-8002. mr. jacoby, he started the documentary taking a look at a point where students overtake a building. i want to show the folks at home a little bit of that and then talk to you about it. >> college protests reaching a boiling point after days of any chemical. >> april 30, 2024. protesters condemning the war in gaza have barricaded themselves in a building at columbia university.

they demanded the school severed ties with israel. >> protesters say if columbia tries to remove them by force the school will have blood on its hands. >> less than 24 hours later, columbia university called in the police. >> it looks like a military grade -- coming for them right now with protesters on both sides. >> we see an officer approaching a window right now. the first officer hasthe windowg on the street in response.

>> the clashes at columbia that night with the culmination of months of chaos sweeping across american college campuses. >> that is the high point, why start there? guest: as you can see, that body cam footage from the■w nypd, whn we watched this unfold, and various universities around the ■ñcountry, how did it get to ths point? that is really the question that we are trying to answer in the documentary. obviously starting with the point of the most visual tension that we've seen in years, trying to understand in a very calm was point where we are having clashes between the police and

protesters, especially at our most elite universities? host: you talk about the clash, the different points. do you ever get a sense of talking to the student or the people that you interviewed any interest in understanding where each other was coming from? guest: that was the surprising thing about reporting the story. at least in the students that we spoke to, there's isthere's peon their heels when it comes to this conflict. they seems to be a great deal of pressure on students to pick a side and stick to it. and there is certainly a lot of nuance that is missing in that, or gray area. of course it's not just extremists, but i think in the media environment that we live in, especially due to social media, the extremes are always accentuated.

so of course there are pro-palestinian students that have nuanced views of the conflict in certainly jewish students and others that are more moderate. but i think that what happens is that the extremists kind of tend to take hold and get the most attention. host: when you talk to students or the people that you interviewed, to what sense do you get that they understood the nuance of the history that was going on in the region, the lead up to the region? to what sense did you get that? guest: it's mixed, of course. there's plenty of students that are studying this conflict on their campuses and seeking out professors and literature to teach them. but then surprisingly, what i found surprising was that you talk to students and ask them where they are getting their information and how they are learning about this conflict,

some of these universities haved this histo a conflict and get as well, we don't trust the media and we don't trust our research. that was surprising in a bit concerning. if you want host: to ask questions about the documentary, (202) 748-8000. if you support the protests, (202) 748-8001. for college students and administrators, (202) 748-8002. always, you can send us a text. tell us about the team involved. tell us a little bit more about the involvement. guest: i work with two producers

. they did the bulk of finding emblematic people to -- both from the pro-palestimovements. the chancellor uc berkeley, in some ways anchoring the film. major university who weighs in at point along the storyline about her views as an educator and administrator for so long, and she makes the point in the film that you ask about which is in her year and her ti- in her tenure, and she is going

to retire and having run other schools in the past that she is concerned about the level of division and echo chambers that exist on campuses where universities were meant to be places where people with divergent viewpoints could hash it out and learn from ehost: l'o is supportive. caller: they are able to go to historical scholars. the u.n. condemned us for being colonialists and they have seen the movie red dawn and can imagine what it would be like. we need to change the textbooks so that not everyone knows the truth, not just the kids. r2especially where the root caus come from. where do they come from and the

problems we have, we missed each -- misteach. our entire economic and educational capitalist systems are based on a falsehood. host: what would like to get answered specifically? caller: if he understands the textbooks both in biology. host: i will leave it there. is there a sense that the textbooks of the building box has led to the events of what you are seeing? guest: i think that is an important factor, which is i think that postcolonial studies and the idea of intersectionality, which is something the right makes a big ■udeal out of it in terms of wht

is being taught on campuses, how big a deal it is is difficult to exist where there are the frameworks and binaries to some extent of people looking at the world and having a worldview of the press -- oppressor and oppressed. if you apply that to the israel-palestine or race relations in the united states or any s of and applying that world view is a part of what is happening here in that seeing -- it can sometimes flatten how you view conflicts. i again would caution about generalizing that is a pervasive worldview on campuses but it is certainly there and something to be looked at critically to think

about if we can apply this idea to complex conflicts. host: this is scott in seattle on our proposed line. caller: we have some bad protests at the university of washington. i was surprised at how many people, i don't know where they got the idea they should be supporting hamas as much as they were. i am old enough to remember how yasser arafat had a hard time controlling them and their are probably reasons they don't want them in egypt and causing problems in neighboring arabic countries. i would think that whatever happens, they can't really be trusted. i wouldn't trust them with a tablespoon of cement. the business of going out and

dressing in women's clothing and fading into the crowd and they fight . if they would just do something like that or negotiate in good faith, i think things would be better. guest: i think what scott just said there is obviously a controversial statement about portraying these protesters as pro-hamas. it is a portrayal that is in some cases may be correct but not necessarily a generalization i would make about the protest movement. there is the question of whether the students are condemning, and whether they think that thomas is a legitimate resistance -- that hamas is a legitimate

resistance to the israelis. this is a big question we grapple with in the film that again i think what we challenged like that is that on all sides there is a lot of broad brushing and painting of different groups with broad brushes and that is what we tried not to do in this film. host: one of the players, so to speak, in the last few weeks are members of congress themselves. talk about their role. guest: we saw those in congress di this and this is across the political spectrum. hearings and comments have taken place, the first hearing being december 5 2023 when the house education committee, run by

virginia fox, called before the harvard university, pennsylvania and m.i.t. to testify. at that hearing there was the exchange what can be called a famous exchange between a harvard graduate and the harvard president in which she posed a hypothetical question to each of these presidents, the inches of -- answe of which went viral because of their inability to answer in a clear fashion and they were trying to navigate to key legal aspects and didn't really answer it very clearly. host: one of the follow-up we saw because of that right after it was claudine gay of harvard. guest: that is correct. within weeks of that hearing, the president of the university

of pennsylvania resigned and then we saw christopher rufo, who is an who is leading this campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion on college emphasis and elsewhere and he published a series of articles about allegations gay had first plagiarized parts of her dissertation and other instances surfaced and under this cloud of controversy, she resigned. host: pamela is necks from miami, opposed. caller: good morning. just a reminder to everybody that october 7, the murders were -- the israelis were murdered by

terrorists. and after that harvard and others support the massacre of jews. this was before any idf responses. the university presidents could not condemn the speed -- students screaming "death to jews," and using to prevent jewish students from going to classes. i think that this is about students, the justice for palestine and american muslims for palestine organizations supported by soros and many other anti-israel forces that organize this with money and expanded the protests. these college campaigns were successful. within months, biden turned against israel and to this day you can see in this

administration an effort to stop israel from defeating or damaging hamas. host: mr. jacoby, in a sense of the funding of the groups that she mentioned? guest: a lot of reporting is yet to be done on the funding sources for some of these groups on both sides. that is not really what we get into very deeply in this ere touch upon what was brought up about the student statements and what they actually said and what their motivations were, again using the pro-hamas label can be problematic in some instances but we delve into that in this film. we just say that i think in terms of biden's foreign policy whether or not this movement has really affected the u.s. stance

ny substantive way is difficult to draw that link. it was a moment in the lead up to the israel rafah invasion and not holding back certain types of u.s. missiles or bombs and armaments was related in some way, i think people have been drawing that sort of link. i am not sure there is evidence to support that but i do think that pamela raises an interesting point about the politics. we are in an election year of pg parallels between now and 1968 in terms of what this might mean for domestic politics that there is this constituency of young people and the pro-palestinian movement that will be a factor, certainly for democrats. host: james jacoby, the director

of the documentary "crisis on ch unveils today. where can we find it? guest: it will air tonight on cbs so check local listings. it will stream on the pbs sites and apps. and youtube. host: let's hear from john in illinois, supporter of the protests. caller: i just want say, we should understand why the protesters are protesting and against genocide and apartheid. so in favor of genocide and apartheid and the oppression of palestinian people and they would be against the protesters. there are two sides to a genocide.

this is the easiest question ever if you are for genocide, support israel and if you are against genocide in need to support the protesters. host: you part of the acceleration says how president and administrative people reacted initially and how that kept accelerating the process. can you elaborate on that as well? guest: to your question, i think that these university presidents were in an almost impossible position but answering to so many different constituencies. very complex and intractable problem, -- probably the most complicated in history in some ways, the conflict in the middle east coming onto

their campuses with all this passion and trauma attached to it and they are having to navigate that on top of constituencies on campus and off campus. as it was put, this is like quicksand. an administrator it make one move and then move it further and it is very difficult to navigate for them. in response to the caller's question, a lot, if not most black and white question about the war ins gaza and what we are seeing every day in terms of the assault there and that is motivating a lot ofç- therotest movement and i think what struck me about this is -- and you also

asked what are the demands of this movement. a lot of the protests are demanding the end of funding the university campuses and the divestment from israel and cutting ties with israel. and questioning u.s. support for israel. i think that is where things get trickier in terms of what are the larger pragmatic solutions to the problem at large. i don't think anyone is sitting to see what is happening in gaza right now but it is a question as to what are the demands and how realistic are they. host: let's hear from nick in florida on our opposed line. caller: good morning.

i am opposed to israelqn occupyg palestine the way it is. every chance they have to basically protest they get shot down. people in our country have family over there and in other parts of the world and they are calling you and crying and complaining about family members dying. you go to legislators and you pleaand you do something on the issue but the issue is, israel bought our country. every member in congress has an israeli handle. they have to answer to israel. this is america. host: if i understand it correctly, you started this

project on the tail end of a project looking at benjamin netanyahu and one of the last interviews you did help to prepare for this. can you relate that? guest: it informs my response to the previous caller. frontline has been reporting on benjamin netanyahu for many years. i picked up on the reporting o d a film last year about netanyahu, america and the road to war in gaza. it was a look back going back all the way to the oslo and understanding how both netanyahu rose to power and where his views were coming from, in some ways coming to its own as an opponent of the peace process in the 1990's and bill clinton's efforts to bring people to the table. on the other side you had hamas coming into at that

point with suicide bombings and terrorist attacks. in the course of reporting that, we spoke to the chief envoy and lead negotiators and was there at the oslo accords at trying to get these two sides together. he said something to me that stuck with have been thinking about as we have been making this film and basically said that the advance of getting two sworn enemies to shake hands in that moment, what happened was they turned what had been an existential crisis into a political problem. the point was, crisis has no solution whereas political problems have solutions. when i was talking to him and

number of months ago and before we became involved in reporting on the campus crisis, he said that he looked at the protests and what was going on and looked at israel and the response to it and everything that has happened since october 7 and he worries we have gone back to a pre-oslo world, where we are all the sudden hearing protesters and others talking about, we want 48, meaning let's go back to it that regent looked like before israel was created in 1948. -- region looked like before israel was created in 1948. that takes us back to an existential crisis where going back to the original creation of the state of israel. that is really, i don't want to

speak for him, but what he was essentially saying as it is a dangerous place to be in an existential crisis because if you make this a political problem you can't solve it, whether it is twhatever it wille and i think he was worried that the generation that is protesting on both sides, and you can talk about netanyahu's government and the party he represents is offer a greater israel. and then you have pro-palestinian people saying palestine will be free. we are back to an existential crisis is unfortunate, because that sort of wipes out some idea that we can solve this problem and there could eventually be some sort of solution like a two state solution. host: let's hear from david in arizona on our opposed line. caller: good morning.

i have sympathy for the innocent combatants in gaza that are experiencing all of this trouble in the war. as far as the protests are concerned in the united states, i think right after october 7, the people in gaza were celebrating in the streets what had happened, not unlike what happened when the twin towers came down and that is plain wrong. i understand free speech and such but they need to have them faxed straight so i opposed the protests against what israel has been trying to do to squash, and rescued the hostages. there will be casualties. celebrating a massacre it really bothered me. that is just wrong israel againe

current government are valid because the government is not listening to the people of israel and they -- the ruling party needs to listen to their own people and the folks in gaza need to stop celebrating death and destruction by the hands of terrorists. that is all i have to say. guest: i think that again, we should caution against painting everything with a broad brush. some celebrated in the october at seven attack and that is just unconscionable. i think a lot of the protests that the previous caller are saying is people feel the israel attack on gaza has been unconscionable. when you have this so complicated and loaded on all

sides of this, i would caution against --course there is ignorance on all sides and extremism on all sides of this, but i think we will look back on these protests in some ways as righteous and in some ways as problematic. i think that is just the reality of things. i don't think you can label it all as pro-hamas, certainly not. a lot of the students statements were celebratory in some cases. the reality is complicated. host: you talked about college presidents and we talked about claudine gay. also appearing before congress was columbia university president. the tough criticism and questioning, what did she do differently than others didn't? guest: she obviously had seen

the previous testimony with the and m.i.t. and did not want treshe was invt hearing but she was out of the country at the time. so they called her in later and her approach was very different. she was asked that same question by elise stefanik about whether con for the genocide of the jews was a violation o's code of conduct. she was very quick to say absolutely as opposed to a more nuanced answer to the question. so she clearly learned from the first hearing. i think it was controversial though. she looked to be under pressure from both donors and other constituents on her campus to crack downsome ways some faculty members to list in the

film that she kind of threw the school under the bus, so to speak, and did not stand up to the question and question whether there is truly an antisemitism rises on campus and question the symptoms -- assumptions made by committee members and was quick to capitulate that these are not my words but the words of those we spoke to at colombia university who thought that she was quick to capitulate to political pressures as opposed to really standing up to them, for instance not standing up and that testimony and saying that they are coming down hard on protesters and not tolerating certain types of speech and looking into the professors and potentially taking them off the post if they say something controversial. professors and students at columbia felt somewhat betrayed

by her in that hearing. the interesting thing about thal called for her resignation even though she gave answers that were rather different from the answers the other presidents had given in december. host: mike is next in virginia, support line. caller: they want to stop the genocide in cease fire and they are not pro-hamas. let's not forget netanyahu worked with hamas to divide and conquer and he allowed funneling of money to,. but stopping bombings and suicide bombings inside israel, they were safe for a long time.

the palestinians are frustrated that the to take -- two state solutions. before october 7, this has been going on for 80 years. and they want to remove all palestinians from palestine. this is what is happening over there. the media here, i remember one -- 100 reporters killed in gaza and hardly had any coverage. i used to watch msnbc 24/7. on human life in democracy and against violence. all of the sudden they hardly cover wha we got your point. thank you. guest: to the point of kind of

professional promotion here, i would say watch more front line. the film that we made on netanyahu includes some of what he is discussing about netanyahu's approach toward hamas over the years and gives context and information about that. i would also say frontline has reported on what has been happening in the west bank since october 7 and so i think we are a very reliable source of information about this conflict. i would say that yeah, of course i think a lot of the protest movement is about calling for cease-fire. there is obviously to parties here in terms of hamas still has is really hostages. there been marriott efforts to try to come to an agreement -- myriad efforts to try to

come to an agreement. the latter looking at this and saying a cease fire it needs to happen and that is a fair characterization of a lot of the protesters. host: college students are now back home for the large part. what is your sense of one's college has returned? do you think we will see the intensity increase? guest: i think it depends on what happens in the region. if there is a cease fire in some sort of resolution, not that it solves long-term or short-term problems in many ways in terms of the long-standing humanitarian crisis in gaza but i think that will dictate events and i think the students are extremely motivated and the movement beyond these campuses to get this on the radar.

i think that this is going to become an election issue, at least certainly on the left and i would imagine that some groups are going to push forward with the protest movement in order to try to in some way sway the election. host: james jacoby which is the director of the film. thanks for your time. host: one around the open forum and we will lk (202) 748-8001 for repub for de, and independents (202) 748-8002. we will take those calls in open form when "washington journal" continues.

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shaped your thoughts on israel strategy going forward. guest: it doesn't change. israel wants to get the hostages back and that has to be a top priority and the best way to do that is through a cease fire and get hamas to release them. but until hamas agrees, israel has to get them back by other means and that is what they are working on. the larger question is what will bring peace to the region? there has to be a hamas and they alternative is palestinian authority. mys that israel under benjamin netanyahu is not working towards that. hamas is a factor but you have to have an alternative and they don't have that alternative. in many cases they are working to try to undermine the palestinian auority and that undermines long-term peace. host: what is a viable alternative look like? guest: king of doll of jordan, saudi arabia, uae are working

with palestinian leadership -- king abdullah of jordan, saudi arabia, uae are working leadership. you have to have governance and support which we have tried in the past back in the early 2000's, and it was working. palestinian economy was getting better and netanyahu became prime minister after the peace plan fell apart and he started to undermine the palestinian■m authority to be effective. to change the strategy and have an alternative so there is a path. host: secretary of state blinken is in israel and talked about his optimism when it comesaposse things. what is your level of optimism? guest: it is hard to say and it is very difficult situation. hamas seems to have dug in and

is refusing to the cease-fire that has been on the table for months which would give a temporary cease-fire in exchange for returning hostages and for palestinian prisoners beg released. so getting thomas to change their mind on that is the main focus. i am concerned and i think there was a more moderate voice coming forward and he left the cabinet. my level of confidence is not high but i do support biden administration's support to get the cease-fire and think they are doing everything they can to get to that result. host: the prime minister of israel will head to congress next month to address congress. what did you think about the invitation and what are you hoping to hear? guest: to meet the debate is just a distraction. -- to me, the debate is just a distraction.

not just i'm going to destroy hamas and the war is going to go on but what is his plan for a long-term peace process in th if there is no future for the palestinians there will be no peace for israel. i just want to hear his answer on that. host: when it comes to ukraine, it was president biden allowing the short term use of military weapons from the united states within ukraine. what did you think of that directive? guest: within russia. host: yes, within russia. guest: biden said we don't want a war with russia, we want the s coming from russia into ukraine. so ukraine attacking russian forces is not about ukraine wanting to go into russia, it is about them stopping russia from attacking ukraine which is

perfectly consistent with the biden administration policy. i think they should have loosened those restrictions sooner and hope they continue to take this approach. if russia doesn't want ukraine to attack it, they should stop attacking ukraine. that is what will bring peace to the region. ukraine has to be able to hit back against those attacking them. host: anydeas of that happening? guest: the slippery slope is that ukraine would go into russia and take russian propertl happen. what i think will happen is that russia will feel the pressure when they realize they will not take all of ukraine which is what putin wants and then continuing strategy and placing assets in russia at risk and that is incentive for putin to come to the table and push for a settlement. host: on the senate side, it was roger wicker in recent days

calling for 50 5 billion more in defense spending. what do you think of the idea? guest: i think we should stick to the budget agreement we got from last year. you always want more money. i haven't yet come across an n that hasn't said we want more money, but what we really timely budget. and what we did last year in particular, we didn't pass the appropriation bills for the pentagon until march, six months after the end of the fiscal year. if we get into another protracted debate about how much money to spend, we will once hat is as harmful to the pentagons anything. the house, senate, president agreed to the budgetopening thae jeopardizes the ability budget r the pentagon in a timely manner. host: one concern with the increase in the spending was the

ability of the united states. to what level is that a concern? guest: i found it ridiculous in the defense world that those who argued we have to be able to do absolutely everything that might happen. that is not the way the world works. would you like to be covered against all contingencies, not sure but we are going to be. the world is too complicated and threatening on many levels. you have to have a strategy to balance in an intelligent way. part of that is building up partnerships. russia, china, iran, north korea, hamas, with all these groups we are not going to meet the national security. we can't kid ourselves that we will magically be able to fight every single war that is imaginable.

what does a defense strategy look like if the former president wins office? guest: you would have to ask someone else about that. my biggest concern is it will undermine. he was trying to push us out of data and away from south korea i think a go it alone strategy is a major mistake and that is the biggest concern we have and the sheer unpredictability and the approach the former president took the foreign policy. he would wake up one day and say i want all out and do some contingency plan. the unpredictability also created problems. host: merrick garland will be front and center on capitol hill

or at least a response. i think it is the republicans weaponizing the justice system. it is so ironic that they whine and cry and scream but president trump and the republicans have been the ones aggressively advocating and using our institutions like the forth her partisan ends. they want to get revenge on the people who they think have wrond them. what merrick garland is trying to do is enforce the law. i am sorry, if you violate the law, even if your name is donald, you deserve to be investigated and potentially prosecuted. and that is what merrick garland is doing. the justice system is trying to do their jobs. host:king member of the

armed services committee, thank you for your time. guest: thank you. host: canada in pennsylvania, on the line for democrats. caller: front line is one of the greatest programs ever. as a recent college graduate, i protested the vietnam war three times in d.c. and i am proud of it. as to the current students, i support the right to protest. they need to be cautious and think hard about the coming election. if they choose out, vote for a third party, and make sure we swing this to president trump who we saw in some of his rallies literally say i love the

uneducated. so be careful students. consider your entire future, not just what is happening today. host: patty in texas, republican line. caller: i have a couple things to say. first of all, mr. biden has been the most horrible, terrible no . he is leading us and the democrats over the cliff. with■ that said, give the old mn a break. he does not have years on this earth. host: we will go to david in michigan, a republican line. caller: i am pro israeli. i am hispanic and i believe that

if you continuously teach your children to hate more than you love your children, there will never be peace in the middle east. all of these protesters should really understand the issues first before they protest because they are taught not how to think about what to think. that is very dangerous. they should remain impartial and not take sides and stick to the issues. host: it is (202) 748-8001 for republicans, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002 and you can text us at (202) 748-8003. this is the line for democrats, caller: they attacked israel.

you have students coming from our country to talk about it. it goes back to world war ii when they got involved with arafat. they think it is ok to do it because it is america and we can if it was mean, i would kick them out of the country. let's hear from andrew in california, democrats line. caller: one juror ruled on one

charge in all 30 four were guilty. merrick garland is committing the same crimes he is prosecuting the other guy who had the subpoena. host: if you are calling in, continue to call in on the lines. two legislators are joining us now from representative rich mccormick, republican serving the sixth district in the armed services and foreign affairs

committee representative mccormick. thank you for giving us your time. you are just recently back from europe for d-day activities and as part of that you decided to jump out of a plane. guest: to honor the veterans. the youngest over there was 96 and there were 70 there. they are almost gone and this is a special time. every five years we have big d date celebrations. in afghanistan, i am a veteran, we lost 2000 462 lives in 20 years. they lost more than that in one day on d-day. they lost 12,000 just in the airborne division during their campaign. they grew up during the great depression and they are the greatest generation we have known and i wanted to ordwhen y,

it's frightening again. you are jumping out of an aircraft and we had a congressman that can remember that jumped out and seven republicans and one democrat. it was exceptional. they were needed to bond over that and honor the veterans. host: we are showing viewers at home some of the footage shot o. we asked a previous guest about concerns to the israel strategy in gaza after the news of the hostage rescue. where do you think things stand? guest: there are still people who are hostages. we have not solved this at all. i don't even think we are close. there are still bad guys who want to do harm and thoswho want to launch missiles into israel. if all the people in gaza would lay down their arms, there would be peace. if they would give up the

hostages, there would be peace but that is not the way it is working. israel laid down their arms they would cease to exist because they would be put off the face of the earth. host: when it comes to the secretary of state, currently over there talking about this proposal when it comes to a cease fire and hostage exchange. what do you think of that plan and your level of optimism? guest: we have had a lot of cease-fires in the past, not just from this conflict but others. it doesn't seem to be permanent but i would love t■■co see it ad see the healing begin and see long-term peace process but it starts with getting rid of the terrorists and electing the right officials and making sure there is the right leadership on both sides and i keep coming back to what started this. there was no israelis in gaza that i know of and this is unprovoked and we hope it doesn't happen again.

if we are going to get to a peace proc to stop talking about eliminating air rael fm the face of the earth. -- eliminating israel from the face of the earth. host: do you think israel should share more about what their long-term strategy is? guest: the long-term strategy has been clear. if you're talking about tactics they will not talk about that but if you talk about long-term strategy, it is to wipe out hamas, an organization that is trying to destroy israel and wipe out terrorism. they do not want to have mass kalus unities -- mass casualties in gaza. we don't want that. host: if there is explanation about doing that without collateral damage. guest: anybody who has been at war understands it. name me one war where you no co. it doesn't exist.

in one night in tokyo, we had 100,000 civilians burned to death in bombings in world war ii. we've forgot at horrible thing. it doesn't matter if it is i gant -- afghanistan, iraq, korea, germany, name or we didn't have casualties. that is war and that is why it is horrible and we should avoid it and eliminate bad guys as best as we can but realize there will always be collateral damage. host: when it comes to the israeli prime minister's visit next month, what are you hoping to hear as far as what is going on? guest: i hope you will come with the attitude that he understands people don't want to have innocent --s they are trying to do what they can but having a reality check of understanding what were really is and what started the particular conflict.

there are a lot of conversations on that but there are a lot of are not recognized like taiwan who is not recognized by china but they are doing well. the hamas leadership has done a no good service and have only caused harm and discontent. host: we asked the previous guest about the defen strategy changing if donald trump wins. guest: i think the president always wants to go out and be strong. when people realize you are coming from a position of strength and not kowtowing to governments that are caustic to us and our worldview. that is global leadership and not globalism and president

trump is good at that. host: we asked therevious guests about a resolution toward merrick garland, to what degree do you think that is necessary? guest: ask stephen bannon. if you do something a what congress has said you had to do and you ignore us, be found in contempt. it is very fittinghost: what dol achieve in the long term? guest: it keeps people accountable to the people of united states. we are the representation of the united states of america. if you ignore us and say i am not going to do that, we are ignoring the people. host: he serves on the sixth district and serves on the armed and foreign services committee. vin in louisiana, democrats line. caller: speak about the

campus protests, i feel like a lot of uninformed progressives and protesters are just focusing on the number of death and casualties on the palestinian side. do you think this is just a numbers game or is there and work the discussion? host: i will offer an opinion, but elaborate on your opinion. what do you think? caller: i feel like the palestinians wind to eradicate the entirety of israelis makes this conflict impossible on their side of the discussion. that is my take on that. host: this is kendrick in south carolina, independent line.

caller: i have a couple of topics. israel and palestine, it is a proven fact that an agency was sending a message to the higher authorities about,. toe the economy is doing, what about our economy? ut the interest rates? everything is up. they will talk about that. ukraine and russia, what is the end game? where is this money coming from? we are trillions of dollars in debt. we are spending all his money on illegal immigration's and have merrick garland said the laptop

wasn't real. it was real. they were telling facebook don't let people talk about the coronavirus intake and the vaccines. the vaccines are causing blood clots and heart problems. host: jeffrey in michigan, a republican line. caller: i watched a video on president biden at the white house last night. he seems to have all of the characteristics of maybe parkinson's. i have had it since 2008. there is concern that that is affecting his ability to do his job. host: let's hear from richard iy missouri, democrats line. caller: i live in missouri and

our government is controlled by the republicans and they do whatever they want. there are here during the day banning birth control pills for women. it is a terrible thing because these women if they have to have an abortion, many will try self abortion lot of them will die. a republican set along time ago, -- host: robert in connecticut. caller: i just have a comment for the armed forces guy. you can limit the amount of casualties in a war. i'm a vietnam veteran and at one

point we would evacuate people before we went into the jungle to get the terrorists or the enemy. so he is wrong. you can limit the amount of casualties. host: robert in connecticut finishing off the round of open form. thanks to those who participated. a fundraiser takg place and you can see it live on c-sn at 7:00 tomorrow. that is it for our program today. another edition of "washington journal" comes your way tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. we will see you then. ♪

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