♪ host: good morning. it is saturday, june 14. our first hour taking your calls, asking for your top news story of the week. some of your options to pick from our former president trump's visit to meet with lawmakers. hunter biden's cotiges. the supreme court's recent rulings.

e to hold the attorney general in contempt. inent between the u.s. and ukraine. here are the phone lines. . democrats, (202) 748-8000. ands, (202) 748-8002 . 02) 748-8003. send we are on social media. facebook.cwelcome to journal." start with that supremeourt he was the new york times. it says the supreme court rejects trump-era ban on gu after one of the deadliest mass shootings in modern u.s. history at a las vegas concert in 2017. the article court yesterday ducked down ban on bump stocks, which allows rifles to fire at a speed rivaling those of machine guns, racing firearm rethe decision in a votef

six-three, split along ideological lines, justice thomas majority, that the bureau of alcohol to and explosives had exceeded its powers when it prohibited that classified bump stocks as machine guns. "we hold that a semi automatic rifle equipped with a bump stock isot a machine gun, because it cannot fire more than onet by a single function of the trigger. his opinion included several diagrams of the firing mechscribed in technical detail the internal workings of a firearm to show how a bump stock works. the justices, sonia sotomayor along with justices katie -- justices kagan and jackson summarized from the bench, she is a practice reserved for disagreements. the majority puts machine guns back in ci see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like like a duck,

i call that bird a doctor. she continues, a bump stock-equipped semi automatic rifle fires automatically more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the tbecause i like congress, call nt. other news is the visit by the former president to capitol hill . the ap says, take and a fist bump from the gop as trump returns to capitol hill in a first since january 6 itgr that donald trump made a triumphant return to capitol hill on thursdayisakers since january 6 2020 one. energized house and senate republicans, who find themselves reinvigorated by his bid to take the white house despite pending federal charges against some for conspiring to overturn the 2020 election and his recent guilty verdict in an unrelated hush moneyal republican former president arrived in bolden as the party's presumptive nominee.

he h and enticed once-critical lawmakers aboard his campaign. let's take a look at that meeting with former president trump and house and senate republicans. >> so, what is happening to our coun of great concern to the group of people standing alongside of me, and i just wanted say that we have great unity, we have great common sense. of very smart people in this room and a lot of people e our country. they love our country beyond just about all else. thing that may be supersedes it is their family and may be faith in certain instances, and that is very nice. they want this country to be great again, and we are going to make it great again. o thank the republican senate and i want to think also the house. as you know with the full house, republican house today, and we had a tremendous meeting with them also, and there is great unity. a very similar, different topics and there is one

thing in common we want to make america great again, we want to make our country great again. we are a nation in decline. we are a nation being left out all over thee a leader that is being left out all over the world. we are going to turn it around fast. and we are takin your top news story of the week. you can talk about that visit of the former president to washington ongthe-eyd a security agreement together. about that, here is politico with this. biden strikes security deal with zelenskyy, but its future is in doubt. the u.s.'s extended are a clear effort to signal long-term support for tf's defense against russia ahead of the u.s. election they ukraine into doubt. let's takewith president zelenskyy signing that agreement. pres. biden: her goal is to

ukraine's defense capabilities for the long-term. a lasting peace must be ine's owned -- an ability to defend itself aggression in the future. the united states to help ensure that ukraine can do both. not by sending american troops to fight in ukraine, but by providing weapons and ammunition. expanding intelligence sharing. continuing to tra brave ukrainian troops at bases in europe and the united states. enhancing interoperability between our militaries and standards. investing in ukraine's defense industrial basecan supply their own weapons and munitions. working with ukraine's partners to build a future forest that is strong, sustainable, and resilient. >> today is a truly historic day. we havreement within ukraine, the u.s., since our independence.

and this is an agreement on security, and thus on the protection of human life. this is an agreement on cooperation, and thusn how our nations will become stronger. this is an agreement steps to guarantee sustainable peace in the world because the russian war against ukraine is a real, real global threat. host: and we are taking your calls. if you would like to weigh in on your top news story of the week, the numbers are republicans (202) 748-8001. mike democrats, (202) 748-8000. and independents, (202) 748-8002we will start withva my top story is donald trump said milwaukee is a horrible city. that is terrible of him to say that, especially since we agreed to hold his convention. all of the other cities that were going to host pulled out.

i think that is a terrible thing to say, especially since wisconsin is a stateou house. roads to hdwisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. somebody should remind him of th fact that you insulted us means that, as far as i'm concerned, you have lost this state. it is a gooduse you were the worst president the country has ever had. host: ivan here is an article on that from cnbc. it says, trump allies scramble to explain after he calls a "horrible city." it was overrun by crime. the trump campaign denied that he called the city horrible, writing in a press release that the reports are a total lie. democrats werepitalize on trump's remarks wisconsin, which biden narrowly won in 2020. here is elizabeth maryland, independent. about gaza. biden has done a few things like building a pier, so the

ships to the coast of gaza and get humanitarian aid to thpalesthamas and israel are never going agreement. the people of palestine, they are suffering,ly women and children. israel is still killing palestinians by the hundreds trying to get the israeli hostages out. and there needs to be a cease-fire. the un security council voted almost unanimously proposal last week proposed by the united states. there needs to be achieved -- a cease-fire. they are all going all a want to say. thank you very much. host: let's talk to jimmyille, tennessee. democrat. caller: good morning, how are you? host: how are you, jimmy? caller: my top story of the weekends, when donall and at a meeting with the ceos and thhe was not paying attentn and wasn't focusing and making ridiculous comments about the economy and everything.

people complained about biden and everything else like that. people needs to realize that trump has turned 70 years old and is starting to go downhilland a lot of people needs to think about voting because trump, he is not fit to be president of the united states. thank you. host: and this is cnn about that if you would like to learn more about that. trump promised more tax cuts. it says that the former president told some of america's most powerful business leaders this week that he plans to once againdoing the meeting ceos in p told the executives he wants to cut the corporate tax rate to from 21% currently, and he met privately with roughly 100 corporate leaders, including j.p. morgan ceo jamie diamond apple cook, and walmart

ceo doug mcmillon. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to make a few points. donald tru, he that the crime was bad so the lady's comment i don't know where she is getting her information from, but he is trying to unite us as one and, you know, he has definii have seenthis past week, and he seemed to bei really don't understan the democrat a sides. i wish we could all beu know we the people and together, and make decisions and love athat's all i've got. have a good day. host: and john in temple hills, maryland. independent. caller: hi. i'm not going to vote in this

upcoming election because if either biden or trump wins theelection america seems to be sfwith the wrong people in charge. that -- and the reason why i say that is because this oklahoma supreme court just denied benefits to survivors, yetall of this money. they are giving israel all yet these black people, the only time that the u.s. soil was bombed by, you know u.s. military power and they just denied these people benefits. so, it seems like america is just a dysfunctional family, whether biden or trump wins the wrong people are in charge. that is why i'm not voting. host: john, could choose somebody

that you could vote for? caller: well, what i would like to see is someone who -- - well, not an african-american. myself a foundational black american. we have a --representation in congress, because there is they do not advocate a black agenda. they come to us with what they want to give us, instead of advocating what our platform there is really no one there, and that is why i don't feel like i can participate in the american system, because you have no representation. host: right. on the republicanworcester, massachusetts, susan, good morning. caller: good morning. they talk about trump not being with it. did you s other day? this guy is completely on a different planet. and don't ask me but the democrats are really getting worried about old biden. this guy is led by the nose by everybody. he don't know where here he is going, and he is going to

debate trumpt one thing. they are making all the rules dana bash. why can't we have a conservative ask the questions? as you know, trump wants to drug test biden. i agree with that. look at what he is doing in ukraine. going to be headed in world war iii. these people, these democrats they are victims, i think. i think they are all victims. they do so much good for them, and they do crap and you still cry in poverty, most of you. just like the white people. but we have moved on. you want to trump. host: here is the forbes article about that. it says, ceos tell it -- tell nbc biden was meandering and

cannot keep a straig.ook at president biden was asked about his son hunter biden while he was in italy yesterday. take a look. pres. biden: i'm extremely proud of my son, hunter. he has overcome an addiction. he is one of the brightest, most decent man i know. that i'm not going to do anything. decision and i will do that. i will not pardon him. host: we will go to ronald in jericho, new york. democrat. good morning. caller: i just want to mention to everyone that i took the opportunity to watch the television film the day after. i have not seen it for many it was originally broadcast in 1983. horrors war would bring to the united states and to the world, and to eryone living here. and i was so moved by it, and i feel thatnd support

ukraine is tction ofwar, either by intent or accident. be a planetary disaster. now, president george washington said that united states should avoid foreign entanglements.unfortunately, we have done the opposite. and president eisenhoweragainst the military-industrial and unfortunately, we have not taken his advice. and we have been involved in endless wa host: ronald, do you think we are closer to nuclear disaster now than we weren 1983, or do you think we are further from it? caller: well, i think we have made in 1983 president reagan was seeing "the day after" that shortly after

seeing that he a gorbachev met and they reduced the number of nuclear weapons. so, that is the nuclear freeand went in the right direction. we are not doing that type of thing at all. when all right. let's talk to charles in cleveland, ohio. caller: yes, i would like to comment about what i see as the unbalanced of the middle east. i think the news media in general in the united states are not givingate, correct information. think that most of the news media in the western part of the world does not -- is engaging more in gas lighting, what is really going on, congress and the things coming out of our

congress. i think that the news mediawho make up the news media are not givingpr correct and accurate inform host: charles, what do you think is hap tbeing reported, and where are you getting your information? caller: that is an interesting question, and i hopemost of the true and accurate music coming from independent news like youtube and individuals who have different podcasts and programs on youtube. so, the independent, e issues with certain individuals, but i think they are more free to speak. the fact that we are a not into -- the news media is not able to get into the middle east, they are being blocked from getting into the middle east, that should media the most part the americans are being gassed lighted about what is really going on over there and who is

behind a lot of these issues. host: there is the "washi article that says u.s. imposes sanctions on israeli measures aimed to stop attacks on convoys of aid for starving gazan civilians arcadia, wisconsin. good morning. caller: gini would just like to make news thing yesterday and day before. i was quite astonished to see that president joe biden was bumping heads both, and the comment was made that the comment was made that he is a practicing catholic. ie e next time he goes to church, because the bells out of the tower might just come down.

how could he be a good, catholic when he has our country where it is, -- is? and the money from all of the other couns know. it really odd. i think that when it comes time for the all the catholics and allheeliggroups should be made aware of how president biden is ruining think we need to stop him and the democratic machine.we will have to see how it goes, i guess. host: all right. here's the picture of what gary was talking about. no, on the front page of the wall street journal, heads of state meet. it says that pope francis and president biden talked fridays of the group of seven industrialized nations met in italy. the first pontiff to address a g-7 summit, morning of the risks of artificial intelligence.

john is up next in south dakota. independent. caller: h let's clarify things. trump is raised by a nazi. trump is plain crazy, just because he doesn't want to go to prison, so he's going to look a mental health hospital prison. host: where you getting the nazi connections? caller: his grandfather and father. they were members of the kkk the nazis that were in the united states during world war ii. they are all affiliated with those people. they are crazy. i quit being a republican because they ran that pedophile. sorry, donald trump is bad news for the country. if these people keep watching reality tv shows like the apprentice, they are war that is what i have to say. host: patrick hawaii. democrats line. caller: hi.

democrat, republican i'm just aublic -- with integrity. in the holocaust the was 10 million jews in europe and about 66% of them were murdered. there is one million palestinians in gaza. the fact that over 30,000 have been killed already doesn't make any sense. that is, like 66% of the 40%. i don't know what is going to come with that and our 20 years in afghanistan, we dropped 600 bombs. we went door-to-door, hunting for the taliban. and israel dropped 600 bombs within the first three months of this war. it is incredible. you know, theyd to look back in history and see what was so bad with this holocaust and what is happening now with the palestinians. : let's go to the republican line in florida. head. caller: yes, what is biden doing the money with all of the different countrie.ds? is he putting it in his pocket? is he helping the american

people or is he going to make it safe? we don't have a war with russia and china. now we have somebody going to cuba, nuclear submarine, what are they going t stuff? host: at the top republican on the judiciary committee, jim jordan. he was on the floor on wednesday. on wpecial counsel's interviews with biden are needed. >> special counsel said president biden willfully retained and disclosed vice presidency when he was a private citizen. nly kept information he was not allowed to keep, he shared it with people who were not allowed to get it. and on page 231 the special counsel told u why president biden did this. he said, ", president biden had strong motivations to ignore safeguarding the classified information in hishe had decided months before

leavinga book for which he got paid $8 million. so, we have motiven million motive. have the elements of the client -- of the crime, keeping classified informationied information. the special counsel declined to reco because joe biden is a sympathetic with a poor memory. on page 207 president biden's memory also appeared to have significant at the time he spoke to the ghost writer, as evidenced by the recorded conversations, and today as evidenced by his recorded interview wthe committees need the audio reo department appropriately carried out justbyichost: cnn politics is reporting that johnson, the speaker, the houseboat go to court for biden recordings after prosecute attorney general g t -- top

on the committee pushing back. >> our colleaguesbecome the first congress in the history of the united states toeone in contempt for complying with our demands. fthe attorney general -- their target is the attorney general. they gave us the special counsel's report in full. he the special counsel available to us in committee for hours of testimony, where he answered all o russians and provided the full transcript of the president's voluntary interview with the special counsel. all 250 pages of it. the whole world can read president bid'ew unedited. that is apparently not enough. how they want to hold the attorney general in contempt for not turning over the audiotape of w the verbatim transcript of. and why is that important? encase case you have lost the thread of this wild goose chaica, remember this is an impeachment investigation. the holy grail, the 118th congress, evidence of a presidential high crime and

misdemeanor, is lurking in thebackground through clearings and sneezes on the audiotape? of course not. they know there is no high crime or misdemeanor to because they have spent the last 17 months and millions of our taxpayer dollars looking forward and it simply does not exist. ly don't even know what they are looking for anymore. so why do they're hoping in the five hours of president biden's testimony they can find a mispronounced word or phrase, or a brief stammer which they can then turn into an embarrassing tv attack ad. get it america? that is what this is all about. host: the line for democrats. morning. yes. host: go ahead. caller: i have been a c-span watcher since 1979. this morning i became perturbed because you come in number one show a soap opera of trumpbat. i tell you, it is not fair. he is not the king.

he is just a devil. çú he never gets back to that white house. as far as biden's son, they had betterthey are both drug addicts. it is pitiful how you guys demagogue biden. he has more knowledge than trump has in his liti'm very upset this morning because a jackass. warren, ohio. line for republicans. morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to ask, today is a rally for reparations in washington, d.c. today. as a foundational black americans -- not know african-american. remember, i am a foundational black american. all of these politicians whether they are republican or democrat, they never say what we want them to say. we want reparations. he wants an anti-hate crime bill, and we want to g rid of qualified immunity. and we want a cash payment.

why these politicians, whether they are democrat or 's, not saying what black men want in this country, is we want a fair shot. want no handouts. it is a black democrat out here they never said one word about those three -- those two black women in tulsa oklahoma, 102 years old, 107 years old and 105 years old, and they denied them reparations. it is shameful when they bombed them with government did to us. black america, we are not lowe are looking for fairness. this country owes us. í÷as far as byron donalds and i'm talking about help black america, it is going to jumpstart this country like the weather, because black people like to spend in our own country. no other group in this loves this country more than black america. the reason why i say thatrible things that has been done to us. weay it to alligators.

we were put on the plantation. we worked for 400 or 500 years. our families were separated. all we want is fairness, an we need you guys at c-span to bring on peoplepresent black people, black man like philip scott, ok? like black alpha networks. dr. claude anderson. tavis smiley is going to be coming on the program monday. caller: no, tavis smiley is not the. we don't want no tavis smiley. we wan tavis smiley, he was a democrat with obama and them, and hesniffing behind him all day long. all we want isg on there. philip independent line, good morning. caller: good morning. a handful of issues. americans need a little more clarity on, instead of the perversion owe noticed recently the

mass aides after we gave themlots of questions there. also we find the military wants to invest in personnel carriers. with taxpayer money. that.ri we find out space force wants all proprietary information on all satellites if they were to provide protection. donald trump. that is really rich. and also, let's go have two months before the election and two months after all candidates get a grace. of prosecution. that is very rich. with the waters we are in. i have much, much more. host:o, we have to move on to e lane in olympia, washington. good morni i'm calling because somethin when he was with zelenskyy that really embarrassed the united states. the united states is known for freedom of the p came out in full view, in front

of the world we do not have a free press. whenever president baddresses the press he asks for specific people, and the questions are scripte by the questioner and then he reads from a card what the answer is. during that, when he was over with zelenskyy, a press person wentff the script and ask him a question aboutsrall upset, saying, i'm here to talk talk about his son, which has nothing to do with ukraine, and he is breaking the first amendment. we are supposed to be -- have freedom of press. by not allowing certain free questions it wants to, he should allow them t herefore he is breaking the first amendment. host: amocrats in georgia, good

morning. caller: hello? host: go right ahead. caller: ok, well, first off you are pretty fair. 8c do a fairly good job. next the kool-aid jim jones people don't leave cults. it is easy for people to dig in then to admit they are wrong, so we have lo like, 30% of our country. they have lost their minds. you have heard these last couple people. back trump and the republicans no matter what, period. no matter what. so, we will have to deal with it later. next, democrats, you do not in. we have major, major problems with the young black males. they are 100% -- and i notjust like males. all of the minorityales they are with trump and they are

going to vote for him. getting these 2016 vibes where everybody is thinking they trump. we have to cobble together all of these different groups.they only have to cobble together the white people, ok? and they vote in droves. donald trump -- listen, say what you want about the guy. it is incredible the power he has over these people. i have never seen anythi li have had to punch my friend in the face. this is a black gentleman. but, democrats. host: we got your point, joseph. alan is next in rhinelander wisconsin. caller: good morning. that gal was not a democrat. anyways, the biggest news story of this week, there is two things and they are not being reported. the one, student loanspeople do not understand this issue at all. people now outnumber younger people with student loans. like, 2 million people. over 35 versuspeople over 50 outnumber

under the age of 25 with student loans. when you talkutloans, that is completely false. one other story that is not times reported that 40% of all federal student loan borrowers are not making payments. what we have here is a big government disaster. host: where are you getting that number? caller: that comes from the department of education. you go to the federal student aid website you can look at the data for yourselfrk times article was based on an interview with the department of education staff. i have also talked to ment of education staff. host: i'm just curious if you hatu caller: i do. ghting for student loan justice. i live federal data, and i can tell you that previous comments about the press true. have

very easily broken news-wi, say, 10, 15 years ago, the pr not touch. very viable headlines. host: your what is your situation? caller: i don't want to go into my personal situat that is fair. no problem. en caller: good morning. hey, play that tape of trump at that thing where he is talking the electric boat. kind of funny. an electrician or would you shark? either o away, ok? that is it. bye-bye. host: well in tulsa, oklahoma.independent line. good morning. caller: good you. thanks for taking my call.

i am just in in listening to all of the calls all across the nation it just affirms the condition we are in. everyone is an expert. everybody has different opinions. this country is fractured. my first vote was for reagan when i was 18 years old. reagan, twice. i then voted for obama twice. there is not a way i would never vote for trump. he just can't tell the truth. and everybody is so dug in with their party affiliation. i'm a republican, and that democrat is ant into this category. it is nonsense. i am a registered independent choice. i vote for the person, not the today, the comment i agree with the the fellow that called in and said, i'30% of america is lost. and he is right. these people will vote for trump, who cannot tell the truth about -- the truth about the

number of people that show up in central park for a campaign event. quotes yesterday, 100 showed up. well, theyres and did a headcount. it was about 3000 people. and he says 100 show up. garbage coming out of his mouth. it is offensive. th just saying we have 5000 people show up? but the m' tell the truth. host: let's take a look at house minority leader have hakeem jeffries. president's visit to d.c. >> it was shameful awh a that a republican colleagues decided to welcome the insurrectionist in chief backo the capital as a conquering hero. not som who lied about the 2020 presidential election and incited a violent capital in order to thwart

the peaceful transfer of power. the republican partys traditional form. this is the trump party. and it is not focused on solving problems for the american people. it is focused singularlydoing the bidding of donald trump. and there is no bottom. there is no low. there is no value that these extreme republicans arervice of donald trump. and that is very unfortunate. but they are going to have to hey have taken over the next several months. in advance of november. before the american people. host: and weill go to danny next in mckinsey, tennessee. republican.

good morning. danny, are you there? yes biden stole the election and everything. that is about and everything. trump don't win, go to war. country is going to be destroyed. so, we better get trump andtaking four years to get straightened out. biting four years we ain't going to have a country. host: brenda is a democrat in pennsylvania. caller: i have two points to make. the fi about president biden and first amendment rights. donald trump started taking away t rights in 2015. at donald trump's rallies he encouraged his rally-goers to beat up any protesters. aid, send them out on a stretcher, be them up. t them out of here. so, donald encouraged his supporters to take away my first amendment rights by beating me

up. my second point is, the clip you showed jim jordan, i don't think anybody him, that he shot all of the republicans in the foot. he talked about president biden's $8 million book deal wait a minute. weren't they trying to impeach him because he got his money and here they are admit that president biden got his millions of dollars from a book deal. ruption. so, jim jordanfoot. thank you. host: in vincennes, indiana. republican. caller: that is right. s story of the week is the merrick being held in contempt of court. that did -- that the department of justice declined to press charges against him, and how it is not fair because the department of justice is so corrupt.

they don't hesitatee and press charges against other people when they are held in co i don't understand everybody's hatred. it is just when everybody seems to be a line drawn in the sand on one side or the other. i don't understand that. i think trump job when he was in office four years ago. i don't why the democrats are so afraid. i voted for trump twice. i will vote for him again. i have a brother who hates tr whenever i try to ask him why he is justot a nice guy, he lies all the time. when i ask give me an example, he cannot give me an is like he has been brainwashed and just follows on media is telling him to say, and i think that is wrong. i themselves. like the one caller who calledinabout numbers at a rally. i mean, come on, it is just, can'thing more important than that? i always forget how democrats take words so seriously when it is more, i that it is

just words. in m of context and everybody needs to take a step deep breath. host: all right. and brian in eastpointe michigan, independent line. caller:is about 80 years old. our two presidents are around that age. we going to get some younger presidents and winter -- when are they going to do a good job? they're not doing a good job now, because slavery ithey are doing people 100 hours survive on and they are giving them a bridge card and taken over guardianship of them and letting them go to court. so when is this going to stop? aregood presidents? thank you. host: republican in philadelphia, pennsylvania. good morning. debarry in lancaste good morning. caller: hi. ok, i didn't hear my name sorry.

veral points but the main one i want to make is about -- well i called a ttlittle late so i don't know if you are already interested about joe biden and how he needo be g7. i'm thinking that is prob because the new york post put out an article withm sorry, i forgot the former speaker of the house name. host: kevin mccarthy. caller: thank you. he was the one that spoke in the new york post about joe biden's, you know and i mean he was already kicked out. because he was neither trusted epcans or the democrats. and in the washington journal -- i'm sorry, that was the washington journal. but the new york post put out this image saying how joe biden was meandering of him at the summit where he was looking in another ction, and i think the italian prime minister had to ta but they did not show the other side of the image and i hoping you all had that. because the video, if they had

off the actual entire image, he was not just meandering around and looking somewhere like, looking off was talking to one of the military people that had just parachuted in. but they wanted to make that t med not giving the full -- that they are trying to use it to their advantage. i'm hoping you will have a video the full image that he was just, you know, out there and then a couple of people that is disappointing, because you have people who are over 100 years old who were actually victims of crime. ander of crime get paid for that. not reimbursed, but there when you have a victim of a crime they should actually be compensated for it. and that is any victims. it for other victims if someone is accosted today we do it. i think another caller called in

about joe biden not eating a good catholic, tn he followed that up with a bunch of untruths. if we are going to talk about the bible, the host: all right, mary. i want to show w talking about, the oklahoma supreme court dismissing the last tulsa race massacre survivors seeking res.tionhere is a picture of one of those survivors. you could read that at is mike independent in north hollywood, california. mike, are you there? nope. y:-- three in canton, ohio. democrats line. caller: my top story, news of is oklahoma. n't know why nobody is surprised that oklahoma has done this. it has gone on all across the united states, as far as being top history.

also, i would like to what are these trump supporters going to do when trump loses? he still has to go to court for a whole other lot of cases. were they going to do then?host: andn lafayette, louisiana. good morning. caller: yes, ma'am. good morning. first of all i would like to say, with libertyeach one of us to do the right thing. certainly when we see our politicians and the things they say, it is hard on each one of us to be rational, and choose a side of the two-party system we have in this great country. people, all stripes in this country. i have seen the strong. i have seen the in myself and my fellow citizens. but must stand together to do the right thing for this land of liberty. and many of us are very

l about our position. butwe really step back and look at the history of this nation world, we will realize we are in the greatestwe will not continue if we tear each other apart. just lery other civilization previously. we are a constitutnal republic. we must stand together. again, to do the right thing. i know that is simplistic, if we all reflect on this, i think we can a common ground, or a commonplace two decisions. we have a two-party system. there has been overwhelming manipulation of we the people. by people within the two parties. and i must say i see a lot more on the democra srepublican, but certainly both parties are imperfect.

ence in this upcoming election. you may not like the people that are running and i think we can all say there is things we don't like but we have a decision to make. who is the better person to lead our country? host:rian. let's go to stephen. las vegas. thanks for taking my call. i just think i don't know there going to be any hope or not for it, so it is scary because i am 70 years old a when i grew up the country was [indiscernible] then it is now. it is really scary. i to bring the country together. i think we all need do what we can, but i don't know. i'm very pessimistic about this country, so thank you for taking my call. host: that is it for this segment. calls later in open form. up nexhe is the president of citizens against government waste. he will be here to talk about

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within the support of america's cable company. c-span 45 years and counting. powered by e.bl >> washington journal journal continues. >> welcome back. we h talk about citizens against government waste and how you are funded. >> it was formed under president reagan. we've been around now 40 years. we have helped the taxpayers more than $2.4 trillion since we've been the reagan administration ever since wearted putting the organization together. not we but it was co-founded by 80% by individuals and associations and other conow. >> do you have a political -- do you endorse candidates?

>> we have three separate organizations. 501(c)(3) that does research and education, we have the council for citizens against government waste, that's the lobbying arm then we the council for citizens against waste. host: when yous $2 million, how do you save them? >> through the implementation of the recommendation. in 1984, the first three went to the house ways and means committe been a long time. each year we tracked it. the first several recommendations that were adopted were tracked administration in their management book under the budget.p track. we issue a publication callede recommendations that we make for more efficie government, less wasteful government. then we see which one of those we adopted then we just keep adding it up. >> let's stock up. every publication which is calle book."

i want to know how and when did this get started? >> the "congressional big -- pig book" came out in 1991. up with pork barrel spending, now they are more commonly called earmarks. we worked with them to find out how the projects were being added outside of the normal budget process. it was i inspired by a list put out with the budget of projects that were not authorized and requested by the members of congress. those are three of the seven criteria. it came really from congress it. host: i have to are wearing your pig tie today. which i thought appropriate. let's look at one of your findings. fiscal 2024,ar how does that compare with fiscal year 2023 that compare historically? >> it is 13% year 2023. it is still the fifth highest since the first big book was released. th highest was 2006 at $29

billion. it is still high. since the moratorium was lifted when members much congress decided to bring marrings. it is higher than the three years prior. they notk, but at a higher level than before they moratorium. they are coming back with vengeance. will take your calls for tom schatz, citizens against government waste. that's on the lines by party. republicans 202- 1s -- text on fake -- facebook and twitter. give us a history. why does it stop.

>> wee the most c the history of congress. members wer earmarks to various appropriation bills.they got caught. the effort to establish a moratorium was led really by and others. we are not ending them. we still fnition is different than congress' definition. it is a much level. then it came back because happened. you know, three quarters of the congress or more was not office when these scandals occurred. members went to jail. there was an argument about the article to congress to appropriate. 99% goes to the quote unquote regular has been we shouldn't give the executive branch and let them spend it. that's what we do. have a lot around how certain projects went around the process. it clear what's they

put an end. it is unfair to all of the people that go through process. host: let's talk about some of the projects in detail.rmarks here for $1.7 million for the art ia poor museum. >> no. i'm money. they do it competitively. it is not the competitive grant that was rewarded. we looked into this. there was 26 federal agencies that provide money for the museum. the taxpayer money.te of museum and library services in 2022, they 31% of the applications and awarded 41% o ed. this is exactly how the competitive pro senator gillibrand along with the was quoted in the -- schumer was quoted i like the it is okay to give them money. sure, if they stand for everybody else for it. they money. everybody should get in the same vote.

this is what w if it is any better or worse. adding it like that is really why you end up with all of the money over the years. host: the lawmakers are able to go back to the constituents, the people that vote to them, and say look what i wrought to you. >> 99% of the time it is the competitiverocess. tunnels and they stand up with there with the checks. they hold up the giant checks and they put their name and signature like it is their money. at press conference for the "congressionalk" we had two hi, here's a check from me for the project. people -- but it is the taxpayers money. host: obviously, they are not incentivized to get rid of t as political currency. this really started under former speaker, newt gingrich, that sent a memo. chairman of the all of the appropriations

they said you should have earmarks for republican members in districts. it is already an issue. but it reallygj6p exploded after that. it was used as political currency and legalized bribery as well. because you can do that. and you can get awawith it. it becomes really illegal, you go to jail. host: let's talk to callers. rowina in south carolina. caller: good morning.first-time caller. i worked as a federal contract medical treatment facility -- i'll say the name. buford naval hospital here in buford south carolina. there's a lot of fraud, waste and abuseng my time. i'm retired now. i knowhi especially towards the end of the fiscal year. a lot of pump and dump going on.would have new furniture for the entire facility. they throw the old furniture away. or offer it at a

discount, you know if we wanted to purchase let's say the stuff that they were getti rid of. and al there any way that they can do, like, maybe a line of our federal government? maybe to identify, you know, in conjunction with what put out there and another thing, too, like when you try to apply for a federal employment, they used to do -- they would open the job, for instance, let's say for an hour on the weekend. would -- the person that they promised the job to would they would close the applications. this is just a on there that i witnessed. and, ynoou ko that. thank you, ken. >> i remember filling out those forms. but on the issue of spending at the end of then that they do that is the budget for the following year i much is spent, not how efficiently it is spent.

it is the only budgeting system that i know of. spending the money. that goes back to capitol the answer to every problem is create a new program. that's what creates the duplications. like 133 broadband programs. members of congress don't earmark money for those. yeah. is called baseline budgets. you spend not on what you have done why they throw all of the things away and spend all of the host: i want to talk to you about defense-related earmarks. money. there's the s35. whic strike fighter. this is defense one with doing less according to the gao. is maintenance costs are now expected to top $1.5 trillion. even as the mission readiness >> yeah. i thought it was trillion. thrill and a half, two trillion. we've written about the joint strike fighters separately from thearmarking issue. one of the programs that has had

proble add ear mashes for joint strike fighters by the pentagon, that just exacerbated theem. host: why would they do that if the pentagon doesn't want it? >> there are 48 states of the part jsf is built. everyone has some kind of stake. host: because it is more jobs for their district? >> yes. it is a jobs program. and in this case, when there are issues with system, they shouldn't be building more until they fix the problems have. host: there's also $518 mabrams tank upgrate program. >> the pentago looking to the nexteration of tanks. of them in the desert. late senator, john mccain had a hearing. they have enough. theyere where they are having conflicts. they are movg on to the new generation. they are just -- they are not not needed, they are becoming obsolete. members are congress are addi

earmarks, because again it helps create jobs.host: ken on the republican line in white water morning. i have a comment and question. i come wisconsin, the home of william corckmier that started the golden fleet award. you mentioned out of wisconsin, i think that's something that i know has been an issue with the government.tion i wanted to ask, project 2025, president trump's transition team or the group's position on project 2025 and hoes that impact the idea of pork barrel spending? i'm going to ha up and take your rely. thanks again. not related to the other. citizens against governmwaste has been against. are wasting money, we don't are from. we talk about the democrats republicans, and appropriators.

the appropriator on a bipar basis add the earmarks. that's how we get to where we are. on project 2025, every incoming administration has plans of what they would do once they get there could be an argument made when president trump washey didn't have a big plan. he didn't have an ideal ofs do this. liberals do this. conservativef getting prepared for let's go to florida next. nelson, good m caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. mr. schatz, two thing that is you stated regarding then for government spending is. i'm retired from public service. in my numerous years in public service, i worked for the federal, state, and governments. they are all the same in regards to g fiscal year and trying to spend whatever is left to ensure that yo

fiscal year. by question to you do you think is going to happen to the united states of america and the exploding national debit? thank you, sir. >> well, the impact of can only be seen because of the interest that we are paying on the debit -- debt. the first time this year interest on the exceeds the defense and medicare. second only to social security. t end up with -- you can see in the interest rates it is just getting too high and making it more difficult. so when interest becomes that big of a part of anyon expenditures, it crowds out other spending. and ittion closer to -- i would say bankruptcy. projecting $2 trillion deficits for the next ten years. unheard of. host: let's alabama, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, lewis. caller: yes. i was wondering, these committee heads seem to be working

against.use in every way possible, these are really leading us out of a country.tl like jordan, comarpeople are ay and still not helping anything. that's all i have to say. >> all right. thanks. host: and this is -- we got this from -- a eyittoy. rather than the funds come off of the topline budget; correct? that's correct. however what it does is it -- it pushes members of congress who would not ordinarilme of those bills to vote for them. to kind of legalize bri best example is in the pig book. minority leader got that -- either $612,000 extra for every earmark in one of t bills. i don't recall exactly which one. essentially that's what they do. give you this $1 million earmark. the bill. there used to be a formula where if you are on the committee get x

amount. if you are on the subcommittee, you get another amount. and get the money. but we did spend less moneyatorium. and pre-covid, obviously. but when it becomes political currency, a wayhe of members get re-elected, it just -- like the corruption and inequity. host: here's ricky in nashville tennessee, independent.orning. a lot of people stole my thunder. ye ago, i had to bid on state contract here in nashville. he's exactly right. end all of their money. they could have $100,000. if they only spent 20 of it, they would find spend the $80,000. thatai gentleman, i appreciate him. why n't we send everything back to the state government? the more money -- it seems odd to me at all of the states and only to have to beg for it back. we should go in the military and the irs and other than that, all

of the money goes back to the state. every politician ande sure every dime is accounted for. one thing when the jobs done and the young people don't and all of the sudden the countries around the work have our technology and our jobs we're going to go dow fast. e have to get control of the money. the people are running out of money. their money is gone what do we do? thank you, sir. have a good day.ld leave it at defense and not the irs. that's a different s good point. that's, of course, what people talk about. the turning back to the states. they tend to spend it more efficiently. they are required to have balanced budgets in most cases. there are efforts to do that. they just don't get very far. members of the congress. continuing to do that. since you continue to try to get rid of them again. legislation with

representative. they would like every member to support that. before that, you are right, we are not moving in the right host: i want to read to you what representativet tex rigorous oversight to avoid past abuses. asee only state or loca c ibe projects each member could submit for consideration in addition to capping total spending on earmarks to 1% of the government's discretionary budget. >> listen to howed that is. i to say f 26 federal program, for broadband process. only three of the top 40 recipients of earmarks came from the house. it has -- it doesn't matter what limits are set. look what happened with minority leader jeffries. we'll give you more this. this doesn't change. it isened the 1 don't buy that. host: on here's dave in auburn, new york. hi dave.

caller: good morning. i appreciate what you are doing. kind of in the spare time. is dead. i regret hissi there's not anything i can tell you you haven't thought about. i'm going to say perspective, city council meetings. grants. that's the big deal. and it doesn't end there. the state of new york they throw out a million loss grant. you compete for that. we have a whole staff that does that. so a lot of this money is kind of a bribery thing. is new york. democrat state. there are other states democraifornia, i'm sure that would even be worse. and there are wonder if you would maybe compare some of the red states with and who is really doing well. i mean i could talk to you. we would have conversation i think. i would let it go. if you would just mention thank you.

>> thank you. i appreciate it. out that's a huge deficit. a lot of issues there. i think in terms of red or blue, there's some quote unquote blue states. it is all up to how they are and how they spend their tax dollars. delaware i don't say that because it is the home of joe biden. it i always has been. it is just a matter of what the governor and the legislation wants to do. host: geovany from st. louis missouri caller: good morning. how are you doing >> doing fine, thanks. caller: i was wondering on the v8 bill, democrat keep pushing money for illegals. every time the republicans try to pass a bill, the democrats want to put money for the illegals in the bills. i do not understand why. can you explain this? why they >> i haven't read the veterans

bill that you are discussing. i think members have different priorities for different reasons. look administration decided that climate change should be a federal agency including the pentagon. that's what they've decided to do. it is one of the issues that's going to keep going back and forth until they resolve it. host: do you have a specific example? the name of it is a bill for the va. the demo illegals in it. i can't remember the name of the sorry. host: that's all right. >> they try to add thing that is areey have to keep things out that are not related to the bill. in the times things can be that are not related at . we think it is not a great idea. that's the way they do host: david is in new york for

republicans. caller: good morning. i have three points. if you let me make them, i'll try to be quick. 1) i don't thinkoss understand the magnitude of the national debt. short time, probably during the next presidential really, really serious. there's going to be major cutbackst programs. and i think the american people really can only remember one or two ll it is going to be trump, biden, bush, or clinton. th all they can remember. it is going to affect all levels of the elections. we have to have financial responsibility. mainly the to warn the people about the some of you have to come up with parole to take charge. if anybody is headed from either candidate is listening and that, try to prevent th with the reaction for the people. the second one we have to end on thels in washington or even in the states. because too many

wasted buried, earmarks, whatever you call it. we have issue bills. so -- the other one is iwant to earn a noble prize, come up with a way to get around the use it or lose it goverentdel of spending. it is so wasteful. that would get you down in history somebody good. that's all i have. thanks. i'll go backwards. it would baseline budgeting and change the process by which the presidenteleases his budget. they never adopted it. the suggestion is congress decided how to spend the money. the president decides whether to sign it or no i shouldn't have recommendations. it would be more efficient. on t one of those things that's been tried and discussed for many, many year. i don'the candidate is going to get up and say if you don't vote for me, we're to go bankruptcy. it is not a great campaign. make the government more efficient programs. getting back to the 2026. youave one. one or two programs for broadband. make them work. members of congress see

something that doesn't work, they create a new proam. don't fix what's wrong. host: let' to merle next in kansas city, missouri, independent. you made a reference to the irs. you said to not give any more money to the irs. i want to point to the publication in the irs on the web site, irs.gov. and in there search argument, type in ir-2024-09. e. it would take ten years to get it. the report discusses the irs released results. they havncome and $250,000 in tax debt. from that just to date they have

collected almost half a billion dollars in revenue from that. they are -- they've -- that's just wealthy individuals. also they've gone after partnerships, but they've recovered more. i just want to irs should be exempt from getting more money. thank you. >> that's part of the effort to set up the flat tax to have everybody pay a flat rate. it would eliminate the need formuch of what the irs does. really what the government does. efficient and effective. other people promote the national sales think that will happen. you have amendment. i think people would like to see much more efficiey.nc they would feel a lot better about paying their taxes if they knew it would be spent wisely once it is out here. host: good morning. caller: go i feel like your job is almost

it just seems like a hopeless job, man. money, it is difficult to get people out of being wasteful, because it is just been -- it is just thefeof authority and power i guess. you know, but like the timing, are doing all right. >> i've been doing thor years. my objective is to put myself out of business. we're making progress. we're going to keep fighting. this in any way. it is really about makinghe money that we pay -- i pay taxes too, is being used efficiently and effectively. 133 programs isn't going cut it. the federal communications commissioner said there's $800 billion across the feder the purpose. in and make it work. pa of justice has a different criteria than the ncra. this is how you wind up wasting

the money. host: i want the top earmark recipients in murkowski king, shots, and schumer. three are on the committee. what's the connection there? >> that's the point. that's the inequity that we talk about. members of the house and appropriateee has 45% of the earmarks and money. used to be higher. now it is a every year it is members of committee that get more thany in what they get. again itback to what they were saying. we all get earmarks. you don't get them equality. host: good morning tom.od morning. i have -- seems like a lot questioned quo pro are going on in washington basically. you scratch my b i'll scratch your kind of thing. really it is the people's treasure. think they forget that sometimes. but my concern is you had student loansñ forgiveness. and you had a president who is

forgiving loans that supreme court said was unconstitutional. they did a work around. my question thomas, what makes their loan more worthy make $40,000 a year. no one is helping me with. could you say that's a quid pro quo?i'll pay your loan off and return. maybe you can give me your vote. just seems really -- just -- it seems dirty. that's all. thank you so much. >> thank you. that's one of the most unpopular decisions, i president biden has made. who not only paid off their loans but didn't go to college are paying someone else's voluntary loan. you didn't force somebody to take out a loan to go to they decided to do it on their own. interestingly, fewer people will oibe college as a result of the higher expenses. but he student loan program, the school can raise that nobody is going to be charged for the money to go to school raising prices even further. it doesn't help in terms ofive the

loans. it kind of has the opposite effect. host: let's talk to gary in independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like t his input on rv reevaluation. they are going to a usage tax not a flat tax a usage tax. they say probably 17%. the irs is dead. the federal not existent. they pressed we're going to the treasury dollar which is asset back. well, that should be enough to start with.. host: all right. >> i'm not familiar with the proposal. it might be an interesting thing to look at. host: melinda in florida republican, good morning. caller: good morning. i used to b a member of citizens against government waste. beginning. i just wondering if tom feels

like a failure at all since i don't feel like much of anything changed. i guess maybe he could list some of the victories that you've had and maybe answer why somebody else might not be better at this job. thank you. bye. citizens against government waste has been around since 1984. we have helped save more than $2.4 trillion. other organization that's -- unlike any other organization that's been trying to make the government effectiv base closingcivil service reform, it is a very, very long list. life. we're a very small organization. we're against every special interest in washington that's well funded andre are little pieces of giant feder you know, again if it is something we do every day because is the right

thing to do. host: are there anonymous earmarks? how would they work anonymous earmarks come -- they are not imaginary. they are congress. they don't add their names to the earmarks. it is something we've always had. the congressional definition, as i mentioned, it a little different than ours. there's $8.3 billion of the's anonymous mostly in defense. like the joint strike. nobody put their name on it. they never $53 million for some education around militar host: when you say this is political currency, why wouldn't they p they still now who is doing don't no who is sitting in the room. they just don't put their name at the end. host: in the interest of transparency, wouldn't it be helpful to not have anonymousrmarks? >> yes. by the way, there are the book that earmarks used to have members of congress.

host: debbie in pasadena, republican, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to ask a how the money is spent and how it is still being i was just wondering how much longer is that going to be? still out there. >> well, a lot of the money has been spent. a lot of it is -- various agencies are trying toet it back. they publish a list of the fraudone after and recovered, and small business unfortunately it is so large. as is administration said it could take almost $100 yeaack. they have found it was taken out of the paycheck protection program over the department of labor and unemployment the money went out fast. it is an unprecedented problem. agencies ignored really simple prevention measures that were they sent it out. that needs to be in florida,

republican. caller: good morning. yes, sir. i used to send somebody to the organization. i thought he did good work. like the previous caller, it seems like it is all for naught. given the fact that the federal budget debt, rather, the bulk of the debt. they come outnabling the $34 trillion. it is just incredibly unbelile number. my question is -- they are familiar with the work and the book was written by david stockman, omb director. theygd and got in trouble. they spoke about the fact that the things have to be done is raise taxes and

aying the deficit and debt don't matter. going to the spending and on de an act of futility. at to spend ourselves intoe -- into o the economy. we'll be in the same position a argentina. i would like your response. >> if i thou going to happen, i would give up. i'm not giving up. the![ it, i don't know if anybody would do it. we have a unique position in earmarks and the various other programs that we brought up. i'll repeat what i said before. we're only ten people. you are right, it is a massive problem. you have to ticket little until you make progress. saving $2.4 inception of the organization is not a small number. we're going topointing out where the waste is. there are members of congress who are helpful maybe you change an administration. i need help. and so that's where we are and

we're going to trying to fight the good fight. host: all tom schatz is president of citizens against government waste. they are at cagw.org if you would like to and reports. thank you so much for being on the p host: rl janfaza will discuss "the up and up." first it is open forum. you can start calling your mind. public policy-wise, republicans 202-748-8001 democrats 202-748-8000, and independents, 8002. stay with us. [music] >> tune into c-span's live coverage of the 2024 national starting with the republican on palm in next up text the democrats.

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c-span, powered by cable. >> "washington journal" continues. host: welcome back to "washington journal."4w we're in open forum. we'll take your calls. just real quick up on i r bill ivf but prefer a narrower bill. we'll start with jerome, anderson, california caller: good morning to you. i was listening to gentleman earlier. the people have to remember that we the people ares that put the people in the building. if you knead to blame a mirror. i do every day. we are the government. so when our employees up

and we continually hire the same employees, then, of coget the same results. so until peopl employees that's it. i don't know how explain this. but we the people are the government.'t hire and elect we hire employee. we have to hire betteree we are going to get the same stuff today. i liven fornia. totally red. my representative hasn't done the district for 30 years. because they keep hiring the same people that do nothing. then we wonder why we're not getting anything. because we've hired them.d thankfully in california we can fire them. to hire new employees every two, four, and six years. sotart blaming yourselves. you are the ones that put them host: all right. let's go to the republican line. howie, good morning. caller: i had a question or

concern about military spending.se that's one of the biggest spending areas of the government. on lot of money on the military service from one location to another and it seems like a waste of money to do that. they stay in the same place they currently same job. they keep them from oneanother. could you make a comment on that? host:ka mark in tulsae. caller: how is it going? it is mark in great to talk to the american people today. i want to make three quick point, if you don't mind. joe biden, the americans out there defending joe biden, come on man, thishoax. it is fake. they come together to choose the president. up the lymph nodes and we vote for them. joe biden when people are calling him to say he's not

drifting off, he's 81.eeds to move on. and we -- government clearly wants donald trump. if it is joe biden versus donald trump, it is -- i think -- you know, come on now. you know? donald trump is horrible. he alo can fix it. the freaking -- t to pay for the wall. it is covid. covid, it is fake. it is democrat host. this way under control in early march 2020. then theyn6 i say, well, looks like the hoax. i'm going to do the works. but the interesting thing is most of the republicans know that it is non-sense. and the democratsy call it. that's how goofy the government is. biden congress. let me go to my third. yeah. he the same people that we've got to get new people in. need a new experiment maybe. this experiment of modern day

futilism is weak.s nowhere. look at countries compared to other countries around the world. we are sucking. we have one wisdom toollow. host: what kind of system of government would you like to see in the united states? caller: i think diversity. if they want to follow the imperillistic, futilism. host: diversity is of government? caller: no. listen t me please. host: be quick. caller: when we have one wisdom controlling everything, it is such a government is the money and the -- the money and the monster the militias, the federal reserve, and the pentagon. masters -- host: look like we're not getting of government. judy, democrat, good morning mimi. you are the best, by the call-ins

from the important news of the week. every of every day i'm waiting for the government to restore to all females in the government your liberty freedom, autonomy, and them to just restore the freedom that females had in the count restore it back in place before i die. host: caller: everything. when it comes to females for their health care, their what they do and in their personal lives. restore that all back to the females in this country. thk you. host: all right. john in illinois.ndent, good morning. caller: yeah. i remember when i was a reagan, he, he had -- he gave a speech.

he said i pass one piece of paper through congress. by the time it gets back on myif igot to to 29rel th it is easy to have -- if the president had your project is more important. if i projects on to the bills shouldn't be. i mean -- host: i do remember the line item veto from the reagan administration. he was asking for it. you think that's a good idea. caller: yes. oh, yeah. 35 or 36 trillion in debit. i mean that's being careless, you know? host: all right. let's go to republican line. wudu. that's how you pronounce it? caller: good morning. thank you c-span and "washington journal" for taking my call. i would like to talk about the tional debt. i don't understand why nobody is not coming up on thee going to solve the problem. every time i look at n?yio clock it

keeps going up every 24 seconds. as far as joe biden on tv wandering off like he's off and out of space somewhere is a true embarrassment to his countrym sorry. the trumped up charges to have against trump coming and him going to jail possiblyti i think they need to lookth as far going, it is truly a disrespect to where it is going. i think we should govern a lot more better. they give us the freedom and everything the tech nothing and give usgy give us the education. give us everything that we askfo system of we have right now. get the house in order. we have a serious problem around the world. if they don't have a solution, we have aerious problem. russia is off of the coast right now with submarines circling our country.

if something happens wthey will start reigning down on the country. the news mat. we don't know what to do sound. as far as a woman up there on capital hill, it is more and more common. they have the victim a call. host: great. here's -- this is "ek submarine surfaces in cuba. they arrive on the heels of the russian arrival in havana 24 hours earlier. onof around two dozen nuclear asme was making a quote routine port visit while conducting the global maritime security. said in a statement on social media. on wednesday, cuban armed forces welcomed the russian northern

fleet with a 21-cannonthe fleet flag lead the cruise missile into hav a stop over from june 12th through the mary in south carolina caller: good morning. host: go ahead, mary. concerns of the past week and forever -- i while now is the fact that the supreme court how could they? they bump stop that willow guns to be turned into a machine gun. i don't understand. are these crazy? we need -- somebody needs to do something about the supreme court. with all of the corruption they've got. my god. talk about that, please. thank you. host: ai from flo

caller: when rond presidency, he rentedless $1 million debt. it was 35 years of existence i 1935 and forward. it started at 75 -- cent on every dollar. eisenhower had the tax for eight years building the highway system. the republicans started that tax. it every person with wealth should be paying that tax today. can have ronald reagan for ending that. it is a simple matter. it is history. we can do it again. we should restore that wealth tax. thank you veryuch. responding to previous

callers art the g7. biden was giving thumbs up to sky divers not wandering in the viral g7 video. they say the president was seen motioning to sky divers at the g7 event in video posted to social media after critics seized on another clip which did not clearly show the additional detail. saying he appeared to wander offroup of world leaders. footage shared on x by the white house senior deputy secretary shows biden giving a thumbs up as he motioned over to a group of ivthe italian prime minister got his attention and the group of world leaders then reconvened around him. you can see th the screen. that is a different angle of the same clip. that is john inachusetts. democrat, good morning. caller: i am an independent. whatever, both sides s i'm wondering why the democrats complain about the supreme

court. whenever anybody says anything about the donald trump stuff say, oh my god, you are threatening the court and making it difficult for them. republicans or conservatives came in charge. like pretty hypocritical. i'm also wondering why every can hear from the washington post and all these horrible ap top, but you never want to uas for democrats -- republicans not getting anything done in congress, or four years they wanted to resist everything donald trump wanted to do. they wri bills that nancy didn't like or de didn't support whether they were cast or not with bipartisan support. i'm curious why that's always like that. schumerto or ones that will keep the border safe. they are doing nothing for americans. they are doing everything for illegals.3/i want to talk about the people complaining about genocide in gaza. are these the same people that babies being murdered since 1973?

that's pretty funny. is that a genocide or just different? thank you for the call. stephanie, montclair, new jersey. morning. ing and talking about biden is too old biden is this, biden is that. is doing his job. just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's not doing his job. how trumpy day it is trump, tr trump according to people because he puts himself out there. while hestuff, he is also talking about -- you are hearing listening, hearing what he's saying. he wants to prosecute people who are against him. he wants to rewrite the nstitution. he wants to dictator. he wants to be like putin.

is that what you want? as far as african-american in the, he brings two doesn't anybody, aren't you embarrassed by that? host: the republican line, akron, ohio, i'm calling about what they always are labeling itamerican racism when it is actually southern democratic racism that they have tried to twist those words to make it like all america was racist. ith the democratic party. in the election after abraham lincoln was assassinated in 68, seen the republicans were winning. they won five or six states in the south so they had to change that. they 600 black men as state

slators. the nextioey and terrorized all the poor white people and poor black peoplethe 600 state legislators who were black helped that another black people. if you were killed, beat up, who knows what happened to you. then after they got enough people to vote the way they didn't want to because a lot of people wanted to vote republican they got enough people in the government laws. this is a hith group of people don't want known. time went out and voted in the people who put the jim crow laws in. so they are just as responsible. it is not american racism. it is southern democrat racism. host:nne in virginia, independent yes. i would like to talk about t two-party thing we have in our country. the two-party

in our and each person choose. once they are in office, it should one purple party. they should come together and let their politics aside. on the linewell kansas, robert, good morning. caller: good morning. this is open forum, so i wanted to talk about the supreme court. is that all right? host: caller: they have set us up i think with a have done is get away with the bump stock yesterday. that set them up so they can y we went against donald trump on this thing so we can go hiw further actions. i appreciate what they're doing. they rat hole

because of all the corruption on the supreme court. it is horrible voices of the american people be heard. we want th there. we want to elect people who are not put in there by aty. which is very hard to find anybody like that, but that is what we all really want. mimi. host: caller: my call, two, it has been way too long. first, i wan nominate chase for the nobel peace prize and i would like to before this program is over. i pay a hundred dollars aif it was not that really quick. can you ask if he recalls what ike said when the evangelists

asked him to change the flank of thp 1959? please, ask your research late february of 1978 or noaa said in a pres warming. read that anytime you have a question about global warming. one other thing one of our founding fathers said waste not want not. that is how i feel about the plastic cap on and juice cartons. it is a hindrance to get to the the dairy farmers and orchard growers ought to be upset. it is a health hazardanceh the container you can't get out the last drizzle and it takes up the pantry. so call number and tell them to go back to the old way where you fold back the corne the beak and youha hole. every time you try to pour some it pukes and messes up the counter. host: got it, gary.

phoenix, arizona dem caller: good morning, mimi. last night i watched a movie addi theater. it was a documentary movie called "the grab. about investigative into the international phenomenonompanies going after land to provide food for their populations. for example, in the united arab emirates there is a field in arizona endless amounts of state water forexclusively to feed the cattle and -- in the uae. there is also a large ranch or farm in arizona, rooney -- in arizona rural arizona using state groundwaterthe documentary shows that there is an international movement to

in all of the they showed a segm zambia the people who had been farming there forations, the tribes they have been cleared from the land by eric prince expertise to provide security for the landgrab in zambia. ther of international land acquisition in other countries to provide fo state. china included. russia. one more thing, one more thing i our attorney general was at the audience last night and had a discussion a she led a campaign to be elected to state attorney general based on this issue of water in arizona. she won by 262 votes statewide. rural

communities and talking to t are all losing, democrat or republican, losing theirs and land to this landgrab. b" and it is a new documentary movie. host: this article is on pbs.org from april headline, in drought stricken arizona fresh arabia-owned farms' water use. that is part of the issue you were discussing. t, crawfordsville, indiana, mi on? -- am i on now? we are talking about a lot of hate. i notice in every democrat town, especial i live, indianapolis, there a lot of killing every day. seems like every town that you go to that is run by democrats, ma'am, there is always a riot and hateful. you don't see that much in other

towns that have republicans. here's another thing too, every time i hear a democrat there, i often wonder, be telling the truth truthore that gets cold. every time a democrat gets on there, why don't they say -- tell another lie before that one goes cold? that is all they do, lie lie lie. it gets cold. that's all i got to say. host: good morning. i have so much to say on so many things. the one thing, a lot of ads in wisconsin. democrat and republican. they are all taken out of context. they never tell the full story. especially the thing with milwaukee a couple of daysthe crime in milwaukee is crazy 9-year-old young

children under the age of 10 have been killed by people shooting guns off going through walls and killing innocent children. car theft, street racing, it's crazy whatty of milwaukee. what donaldmilwaukee being a horrible city that is what he's talking about. arizona, it ha dry. i don't understand why try to farm in a desert. of the other things in wisconsin is solar farms. you talk about the food. every time you take away thousands of acres and put up solar farms you lost thousands of acres of future food that will help feed us and the world. many things.one last thing, the abortion thing. i wish i democrat you can get on there anytime in the future could give me a date, a number. none of them will. i amd support a woman's right to choose, but i think when you get viability at 20 weeks, maybe a little more or a littlehas to be

a line in the sand where it is murder. if i'm i kill some pregnant girl on the way to an abortion be held for double homicide even though she was going to abort that child? host: next, rachel janfaza to discuss “the up and up" about gen z and youth lyrical culture. -- political culture. >> book tv every sunday on c-span2ir eastern federation for children argues that parent children's educationat "trippy" looks at and describes his own experience with them interviewed by the politico health care reporter eric shoemaker. book tv on c-span2. find a full schedule at

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why do you focus on them? guest: this is the generation i am part of. i am 26. growing up, especially in college, i noticed that there were a wide range of social and political issues i noticed my peeri started to develop the have grown up in a period of one crisis after another. that, coupled with social media and that w a device that we live our lives simultaneously on for a really interesting political environment i started leaning into that and researching that. now, i am realizing not only is there political engagement but also for trust and trust in traditional is what i am the most curious about and why i decided host: let's talk aboutwhat you found. aregroup of voters that you think are either incin most media outlets or not fully explored? guest: a great question. part of why i started the “the up and up" in many ways is to push back about preconceived

notions about this generation. there is a tropepeople are politically apathetic.grandparents they don't necessarilyate. at least when it comes to the age question. i do think that young people are tuning in. even if they are, as isl of institutions, it doesn't mean they are shying away from being with young people running for state house andi doted. at the same narratives about what issues young people care the most about. when you think about social movements and movements that for in the streets or on college campuses, whr he be israel's war in or the climate, those issues are certainly important to young voters. but i travel across the country and talk with young americans in all corners and the number oneissue i'm hearing is the cost of living and life affordability. i don't think that that is

tacomes to the issues young people care the most about. host: an article by axios showing the latest new york po aged 18-29ahead for president biden former president trump is making inroads into the youth voters. the headline is, trump's bid to steal the youth vot sorry, to stealyouth. do you think it is the economy and cost-of-living issues that i think there are many reasons youe seeing this in these polls and i'm hearing it a little anecdotally as well. before i get into the polling numbers and the reasons that may become the axios reporting mentioned this, but i will add the a lot of polls don't necessarily capture the sentiment they possibly could given that a lot of theseif there are any gen z years in your life, they don't have

landline phones and are not necessaril up their cell phone if they are reached out to. the people in my life are not i think we have to breful of that. there are polls that specifically looamericans that be the harvard youth poll from the kennedy school or the center for information research on ci learning does great polling of young people. they show that the economy is back to how trump is fairing with younger voters ans, i think that part of this, and some polling from a democratic firm called blue pointed to this there is an idea of trump amnesia as folks are calling it. this is a real thing to be aware of when it comes to all voters, but young voters. for first time voters, they were in middle school, perhaps duri they may not necessarily have been aware policies he implemented during his time in office.

the same time, if you are a young person thed you're struggling to pay your rent or put gas in your car or looking for a job and you have all of these problems happening right now and you look at who the person in the white house is and it is pr biden, it is easier to blame him than trump who is currently not in office young people may be feeling today is an artifact of the trump administrahost: call in if you have a comment or question for rachel janfaza the founder and journalist at the sub stack called “the up and up." you can do that by party. . 30)mber took.com/c-span andx @cspanwj. you wrote on teen vogue with th youth voterive candidates. explain that. guest: was commissioned by the group run for something, which recruits and mentoursrs progressives running for state offices.

the there is a 61% bump for young democrats who said tha vote --hat they would be more likely to vote in 2024 if there was a young progressive, down ballot candmotivated by. what i'm hearing from the young people i speak with, especially in swing states where this poll was conductedare paying attention to local issues and candidates. especially where there are the strictest abortion laws on the books. for example, arizona where they currently still have that law on the books they are paying attention to their local candidates. i was there a couple of weeks cited by some of the prospects of young, progressive, down ballot candidates. the idea is a reverse coattails theory something something talks about often. that if young people are not feeling motivated by

ticket for reasons we may have talked about before abo age or not feeling represented about the candidates, down ballot there ar young, diverse candidates who they may feel more aligned with and can se. host: you mentioned before thaund and talking to people around the country young how do you decide where to go? what are you hearing specifically? guest: sometimes it is the news of the day, if there is a conference somewhere or an event like that. but i also h sessions --i go to a room full of anywhere between five to americans mostly under the age of 30 although i have gone to i try to listen to their issues, their biggest fear in their biggest hope for the country what they see locally and at the nationaly that i decide who i am willing to speak to -- i wish that i could say thererganized process but i'm just trying to speak to as ma people as possible. when i am deciding a state that i'm deciding to go to. predominantly focused on are the top 10 states

based on a list put out by circle that for the 10 states where young voters could have the biggest impact on the results of the presidential election. those are the swing states that and then minnesota, new hampshire, and florida. i alsofor the iowa caucuses. when i'm going to an area, like out to different universities and campus groups. at the republican caucuses, so i got in touch with ake university and i held a listening session with them, which was great. in michigan, at the university ofichi that was with the young democrats. i went 90 milesorth where i spoke with a range of students most of whom did not identify with one party over another. the way that though students were was an organization tabling on campus that day trying to get folks registered to vote. while people were registering, they said we have later this afternoon holding a listening session with young people. you might be

interested in participating? that is how we convened that p. it's a mix. if anyone listening wants to have me with folks in your community reach out. i'm as many pockets of the country as possible before november. host: they can reach you through your website theupandup.us. jack first in new york city. caller: hi, there. host: your line is not very again? n z politicians being different than other politicians? guest: one t that i've noticed about gen z politicians being different in the way that they operate is really the way that they strive for authenticity. ihing we are more conditioned to because of social media. past we used a lot of filters, but now the ways give a window into people's lives, i think that folks are trying to be as real

with the caveat that it is social media.i think that that has trickled into the way tha are going about their role officials. this could be as simple as going to halls on college campuses or community that are heavily populated with young people into being a voice for the constituents closest to them in age. i alsoehink w issues that young elected officials are prioritizing a major issue is housing and housing affordability. this is something that i hear youngnt are leaning into. host: billyod morning. first of all i want to commend c-span. we need to work with our young pe i do that. urnalist and i have my own newspaper. the importance ofour young people involved in the voting world. if we don't other peoplenother direction.

i see america is the world leader because we are a nation of god and we stay a nation of god by keeping our youngsters to stay in the same lane we in. we have a lot of crazy people who do different crazyld never determine the validity of because america is the nation of god. i tell people i am and that is why i can validate what we are doing. i want other people to know to be strong for their kids when they vote and get involved in the l aspects.you can't tell a lie and get away with it. wh people know you are lying they can see the validity and where it is wrong. we have youngsters out there at a young age, you can see the validity and importance of us. host: all right, billy. any comment?es i agree, young people should be involved. host: tell us about your sub stack. how often do you publish? is it subscription-based? how do you raise funds? i am fortunate to have

been listening tours. itn. you can subscribe on my website theupandup.us. i try to publish once a week though sometimes is more often. once a week is original re on involvements in the youthspace, be at an interview with a young elected official or young candidate or youththen i also try vote in the news. keep track of headlines about young voters and try to share it how young people are being talked about as voters in the media. eek is a little different. this week i featured another journalist who just started his own sub stack, a newsletter he has done for 13 years. that is amazing for just graduated college, soi did a u.n. -- a q&a with him. in arizona i talked with young

people and shared insights from that conversation. it changes week and i'm trying to pay attention to what's going on in the news and let's talk to dave in michigan indepen i want to ask you a to stay to their one-sided politicians, one side or the other when you ask people questions on a poll or whatever you are doing,ote? you are allowed one fullas an independent everyone should be allowed one full vote. if i want to vote 50% for donald trump and 50% for biden i am entitled to that one full vote. obviously, our politicians can addwhen you add up the half votes itway or the other. host: what would the benefit be of that, dave? what are you trying to achieve? caller: i'm gog say -- just 50% of

my vote to go to biden because i don't like either one of them. maybe i like one policy of one or the other. 50%, i'm just going to add up same as the other side. host: and pogus have showed this, is that young people are identifying less and less with traditional parties. there is a movement to buck those labels. young people may not agree 100% with either candidate or either party and see themselves outside i want to ask about tiktok. former president trump has joined tiktok earlier this month despite past criticism.president biden's campaign has been using the app desp signed a potential ban of tiktok. what do you think the role is of that parcular role it could play for the youth vote? . no question about it, there is a wide swath of young americans

who get their news only from tiktok. taoutrue. i think bo candidates should be on the platform. i hear that from young people as well. mp joined tiktok, his follower count skyrock the follower count on tiktok is not nec of how a video is performing because of the way that thebefore you page, y fed content and it doesn't matter who you follow. he has performedplatform. he didn interview with a wrestler and influencer, logan paul. they touched on some political topics but it was entertainment. and rap battles. as i mentioned americans are creating authenticity a seemed to be authentic. trump was smiling and laughing and they posted clips on tiktok. that is one way to reach younger audiences. when it comes to president biden and his campaign's use of tiktok a piece for politico about tiktok or's and influencers giving advice for

the president as he uses tiktok. they said the same thing. he needs to be himself. if the of joining tiktok is to reach younger audiences, he doesn't need to pretend to be 18. he should be himself. some of the tips the were maybe he should do a get ready with me. which isgetting ready to go to work at the white house. account if they are willing to do that. to be himself. to be uniquely him that resonates wiwa young people more than if you wereeone you're not. tiktok is a force this election cycle and has been for the last few years. hat. it really ways to lean into the platform while being true to one's self and talking about issues. anotherdethat and influencer said when i spoke to them for that specific political piece about israel's war in gaza and the situation between israel and

ack on october 7. they suggested a tiktok the issues, what's going and with that in comparison to help resident trump talked about the issue. they thought that that would be a good use of his platform. host: the new york times reports that an internal analysis in tiktok found nearly twice as many pro-trump posts as provided -- pro biden on th i wonder if that could be manipulated by bots, company or other soci media platforms could also be trying to manipulate their users on the platform. what do you think of that? guest:a great question and something that i'm looking into and thinking that of these numbers. how real are they? x that the logan papaul said that it had 4 million views and it was posted at 5:30 the evening prior. i was looking at it yesterday morning and wondering how many of these views are authentic views?

t have a clear answer. as i said, it's somethinginto and i think many folks are. there has been a boost in trump content on the platform. ie tiktok especially this idea that tiktok was super left-leaning and that most of the content was in favor of left-leaning policies. there has been a lot of talk about the pro-palestinian movement on tiktok and antisemitism on tiktok. i there are a lot of actors who could be on this platform. it is not entirely clear who those folks question to be asking. host: kathy in downingtown, pennsylvania, republican. caller: rachel, i'm so glad to see that young people are getting i politics, because personally i've had enoughgovernment. one there were trump policies that been a detriment to gen zers.

i'm not sure what those policies are. could you please go into detail and explain to me what policies offended the gen z crowd or kept themi will take my answer off their. thank you air. thank you. host:ea thank you for the question. it's not necessarily a policy, but one of the biggest things that i hear from young folksaty are upset by is the folks on the supreme court ande was gutted and abortion has pushed off to states. that is a top concern for young and abortion access is something they care deeply about. the supreme court also blocked president biden's student debt program,young people that they have expressed concern with. the supreme court also gutted affirmative act something that students have been concerned by and frustrated by. host: arthur in california, democrat. caller:host: go ahead.

caller: yes. i would like to point out that the young people who are demonstrating against the democratic party and their treatment of gaza aredemonstrating against the wrong thing. they should be demonstrating against netanyahu. responsible for all of the terrible things that have happened in gaza. are out there demonstrating against our president. ng to point out. then i will get off and take any answers off the air. your guest is a brilliant person. brilliant people a habit of speaking too fast92-year-olds. i would like to very gently suggest that -- half of the time that she is speaking and i can understand her all the time. but when she gets on an idea that she is explaining that is a little really going fast.

i just lose don't -- i am not criticizing her. host: i hear that. too fast. guest: i am so sorry, i will slow down, i apologize. know. host: george, ohio, good caller: thank youcaller:. i recently kids world, the kids take over th world via the internet, they form a the adults became so hedonistic that they put them in camps. sold carry on their hedonism satthe children actually run the world in an organicthe industrial is the end of we prejudice.

these kids are not they are just normal, you know. do you have a question for rachel? about the youth vote or politics or gen zersll: i think the youth should ha the adults have shown all they the war machine. lothe government. pay back, you know. you can't even find out where the money is going. host: how are gen zers engaging in politics these days? guest: i think we see it in many ways, whether it be demo war whether it be demonstrations for safety, whether it be standing up for abortion access. we also see young people getting involved in state government at the local level. there are candidates from both sides of the aisle running for state house seats and local seats and winning those electionsñ% and serving in those

bodies prioritizing issues like housing, as i mentioned, or climatethen young people are voted. the past three election cycles we have seenr turnout in comparison to years past. in 2020, the center for civic re at tufts estimated 50% of the youth vote than 2016. we are seeing young people get involved in to what extent are young voters concerned about their futures being affected by the $35 trillion in nati guest: i hear that mostly from young republicans. i don't hear debt come up too th young people across the country. i did hear it when i was in iowa ahead of the iowa caucuses. that the folks at drake university were very concerned about. in general, the idea of a livable is something that

comes up in many different conversations. that takes a variety of forms. most rectly arizona, there was so much talk about the cost of livingf themselves going into debt. or that they health care bills. health care is another top issue for young people. there is a little worry about federal debt, but more so the concerns are about personal finances and life host: we have about 10 minutes left with our guest, rachel janfaza, talking about gen zers and politics. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000independents, (202) 748-8002 we have a line set aside for anybodynd any caller under 30 can call on (202) 748-8003. speaking of republicans andemocrats, rachel, you have a newsletter -- with this headline. gen z teens identify as more

conservative than their parents at higher rates than the lineal state then millennials dead. why do you think that is? guest: i will share that. that genare identifying more asmore conservative than their parents at higher rates than millennials did at their age. part of this, and what i heard from the voices that i spoke to for this piece who are experiencing this in real time, satias. it amplifies extreme voices sides, which may be part of this movementconservativeism. also, we talked about there has been a trend on social media and pockets of the libertarian beliefs. which i thinkrending

more in the conservative vein, especially among. shift in political alignments when it comes to gender of young people. young men are leaning further to the right where young women are identifyingg. there is a gap growing pushing some of these young men even further to the rth be part of this. ultimately, it comes down to a mi of our social media algorithm, ideas of conservatism or libertarian beliefs, also the idea of being a contrarian. is easier right now when you have a democrat in the white house to you want to be contrarian, you will automaticall right of that. i think that tse are somofthat are part of this. host: jonathan is under 30 in , good morning. caller: my name is jonathani have my generation struggles with knowing what we can do. do you have any advice? guest: it is so nice to hear from you. like i said, i've seen young

people getting involved in three main ways. if you are 16 you cannot yet vote butre are ways to get involved. whether it be through electedor federal elected officials. writing letters. there that happens on social media. when i was in collegeroy senior thesis on the role of social media in youth-ledvements in 2020 young people are getting involved in social issues through using social organize. there are a variety of ways to do that. whatever you may be passionate about, there are myriad amount of ways to be involved. another thing that is interesting that we've seen happened recently is more and moreay council members are creating youth councils that help advise them with their dthese are often nonpartisan groups that come help advise a particula outs of what is goingone thing that i heard in miami that has stuck with me was a young

girl who was a little disgruntled by the fact that her county did not have a social media channel. they were not on instagram in particular. she wanted to know about local happenings in the community at e festival. ly knew about it.if it was on instagram i would have seen it. she went to the city council meeting and made a plea for to get on instagram. that is one way. it is not about partisan politics it is about local community involvement. host: in keyport, new jersey asking over text. does climate c -- youth vote? this election cycle we are seeing it rank as high as it previously has or we would expect. one thing that i'm hearing a lot from young people, especially in swing states and ballot down states, is that they see climate as intersectional with a lot of the other issues they care about . especially when it comes to the economy. they believe t these are probably more left-leaning voters who share tse

some young folks pro-climate jobs could boost the economy. it is coming up in ways that may be it didn't come up before. it top concern. i think that a lot of people i mentioned befora livable future and about the role that climate change will play in the v of that livable future. but it is not ranking as high in the polls that we are seeing. when i am asking folks in sessions, it hasn't been one of the first issues that they bring up. karel inth little rock, republican. caller: hello. i will talktv. host: you are on the tv. ok, ok, ok. i wanted to say to the people out there that don't get any information.

the republican party and the democrat party ok. a lot of people who just vote straight democrat or str their m did. the republican party is a party of these people. it meansovernment is run by the people, ok.their ideas, their wants and needs are fulfilled the peopleperson that actually works for that is the republican. party that believes by hook or by crook they got elected. they are in power.atever they think is right. be damned what is good for the people. host:e got your point. sacramento, california, go ahead. caller: rachel, i had a question

in reg to -- i am a college professor so i agree with some . i did not catch the beginning of the segment, but from what i've heard with regard to the gen z way thatlly and so forth. i'm year that with what i seedents -- i mirror that with what i see with my students. i wanted to ask about states in hi. obviously, being in california it is more liberal. i see a lot of the groupthink for students. they kind of want to in acceptance in their groups as far as not rocking the. when i generat classroom they don't want to rock the boat. it seems the students don't really want to be expressive openly about what -- especially if conservative viewpoints. those students feel they are going to be shouted down. can you elaborate a little bit ohics? host: go ahead, rachel.

guest: this is such an important question and is something th i'm hearing so much from students in particular about the way that they are expressing themselves on college campuses. to mostly students on campuses that perhaps lean to the in big cities. there is a fear of speakingssroom setting because they don't want to create an argument in the claom oeven if these are beliefs that they hold and maybe they feel passionate about they don't want ton uproar in a classroom setting. as it is incredible that you are holding classrooms. i hear from too many students that professors shy away from political discussions in the classroom for the s offended or perhaps their beliefs will be called into is this sensitive area around think we are seeingay out in real time with the way that students are navigatingconflict between israel and hamas and the war in gaza over

self-determination and . it is forcing to have to argue with their friends over the way they feel about this issue. it has ended some friendships. has ended romantic relationships. we are seeing that happen as wei will go back todata, the harvard iop poll from the spring at the kennedy school showed that nearly table sharing their political positions on campus in a classroom setting. that number has plateaued since the trump administration. it has been the since 2017, i believe is a real reality that both students and professors like yourself have to grapple wst: rachel, founder and journalist at “the up and up sub stack. you can find that at theupandup.us. thank you for joining us, rachel. guest:st: that isfor today's "washington journal."

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