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unemployment rate against black men. no health care, no wealth. it just seems as moot. why vote? who are you voting for? you're voting for people who do not want to listen to your grievances. host: are you going to vote? caller: i%

tell you who i am going to vote for. i am throwing my away because i'm voting for independent. i know everyone is afraid of ke he is the bogeyman. there are checks and balances in this country and i did not want to be gross or morbid, but a president went down they killed him. he was doing that the greater powers to not appreciate. country they killed a preacher on a balconynd k a young man at the ambassador hotel walking through a kitchen. this is a coun violence. it is a country where a handful ofeople determine the destiny of us all. they pit us against one another on some of the crawhen african americans since the formation of this country have worn the uniformefended

this country and allowed white people to be in charge of them but they have never seen the benefit, ever. educated people that go to that study the history of this country, they know these things. say. host: william in ohio, democrat. caller: morning. my ii am an 88-year-old tennessean. the culture issue is what it is. if that is their choice, that is their choice. why am i supposed to try to change them? issue is our corrupt government. we have no government. it is run by big m they keep talking about wasting money. the biggest waste of money is to pay the politicians. i'm a firm believer that croaks

-- that lobbyists i feel so my lovely nine great grandkids. they will not stand a chance because of these corrupt politicians. you. host: let's representative ro khanna, democrat of california who spoke on a sunday show on the israel-hamas more and prime minister benjamin netanyahu's upcoming speech to a joint session of congress. >> what you propose pres biden should be doing if hamas does not agree? >> i support the cease-fire proposal the president setd has endorsed, the arab league haswe need egypt and qatar to put more pressure on hamas. phases, that is unrealistic. there needs to be more pressure,

there also needs to be more prsure on benjamin netanyahu. benny gantz has been all over is really tv saying benjamin netanyahu has been undermining the hostage deal. benny gantz says prioritize the host release and benjamin netanyahu says they >> by invitation of congress benjamin netanyahu will be speaking before a joint session of congress. democrats are suggesting forms of protest. what should that look like in will you attend his address? >> i will not attendi said if he wants to speak to members the war and to release hostages i am fine with that. i will not sit in a one-way lecture. i agree with representative clyde. how he treated president obama -- you should not expec -- we have to be polite, he is addressing the congress and there should be decorum. host:of congress will be july 24.

jamie is in missouri. good morning. caller: isem is we do not have an american culture. pretty muc everything i see divides us and does not bring us together. our black and hispanic brothers and, i celebrate different culture, however there is black -- a white person has the black person does not have. my husband grew up in the inner-city very poorhas to work concrete every day. this racial and cultural si i think we should be american culture first.thank you, god bless you, and have a good day. host: des moines, iowa. independent line. caller: my cultural issue is general media literacy and the way we see people going about

reading and writing ns fromthe modern day and age. for instance we look at ucla encampment in california, we see headlinesg the ucla encampment and thehad clashes with police and right-wing protesters. if w facts we see all the information coming out of that encampment shows those protesters were attacked by thosecounter protesters. the general fact that people in our modern day and age are willing to lie about something as simple as that, even the so-corganizations like the new york times and the los angeles times are willing to tell us falsehoods out what has actually happened in reality to push their political agenda. we cannot simply let this happen. this is a real cultural issue that must be addressed. host: what you think would be the solution? caller: i think what needs to be

the solution is training for every u.s. citizen, whether that be in hige something we need to be able to examine real news media and look at it through a nonpolitical lens and bee to find the facts and the resources to examine news media when we get the chance. host: newark, new jersey, line for democrats. er: good morning. host: go right ahead. caller: the fact that we have so many senior citizens that are more involved politically in thisry then young people who actually be here in 40 or 50 years. we have lindsey graham who does not have a wife or make laws the country will live under for the next 40 or 50 years. llowed to do things like that. the other t is the greed in the country, e greed of t boomers.

they are sitting on $75 trillion worth of wealth. no one to help the country out of their own pockets. immigrants. nce. they vote against loan relief. when he went to school college was $500 a yeathey got pensions. they were able to get government backed homes to get houses. one of the main people who got the money that tax dollars paid for, it is the samethese people, the study shows that of 27% of people vote for trump believe slavery does today, that is where the mindset comes from. with the past. they want to put a convicted felon in+ office. he of the speaker of the house.

trump is not the president. this guy supposed to be the reprtive of the house represented for the entire case, when you take time out of your schedule to go to a criminal case for a non-president. trump is a civilian. host: is actually headed to mar-a-lago today to meet with former president trump. dan in pittsburgh. line. caller: i will try to keep this short. to lodge a -- not a th st b in my to d and you answer it if you do? caller: that is a good point. landline we are talking about -- i'm getting feedback. host: you have to mute your tv completely and just lk i know are trying to go more online and things like that.wo poll if you

got an email or something popped up on your screen? caller: i was wondering -- waiting in line compass their way you send out a pollwealth numbers that:? i feel like c-span is more reprentaeven then there are different people that call in. i wo poll from yo sometimes we do put pollsi think that is a good point. kathy in washington, d.c.. line for democrats. caller: i am tired of people blaming the media for all of the divisiveness. the media just reports what it sees and what is happening. people want to blame the media for all of the negative reportin when basically it has been showing what he is in real worlds in real time. they are not the reason why there is divisiveness in this country. we have real problems people want to ignore.

they want to pretend it is not there. tired of people pretending the black experience is not real. experience. you have no idea what it is like skin, to be rac, to have biases against you and housing education, business. you are not living this experiences. it would be nice to respect people's differenthat is all i want to say. host: here is senator tim scott in south carolina talking on whether congress should act after the supreme court lifted the ban on bump stops. -- on bump stocks. >> were you satisfied with that? >> we respect the decision of the supreme court. what we need to focuss this nation. n he greatest increase in violent crime in my lifetime.

focusing on ways to reduce violent crime means four more years of donald trump. under donald trump we respected t. under joe biden we have seen the police, leaving communities like the one iravaged by a wave of violent crime we have not seen in five decades. as you probably know, the latest dance on violent crime in the murder rate are down this past year. let me get back to my question about the supreme court's decision. >> let's take a look at those crime rates. we have seen over 4000 shootings just in chicago. we have seen a spike in violent crime. it is nice to see something plateau but the fact of the matter is simple. under joelike the ones i grew up in have been ravaged. people like the ones that raised me are trapped in their houses from the time th sun comes down until it comes up again. >> question on bump stocks

, would you favor congress acting to band bump stocks. you said after that shooting that if the vote came through congress. are you in favor of that band? >> i am strongly in support of the second amendment. >> we will focus on the priorities of the americ people, and what the priorities of the america people are today are to focus on closing our southern border. under donald trump we had a precipitous drop in border crosses. under joe biden we have seen an explosion. 10 million illegal immigrants have invaded our country leading to micro-crime that we saw just yesterday. a mother of five killed by an illegal. the focus of the safety of the american people starts with the n culturalrissues as a tool to keep the american people organizing to address economic issues and who holds real power in the u.s..

estella is a caller: i cannot beliehaning. it is about dividing everybody. ding everyone raise. i would like to meet a ti myself am american indian because they put american on the indians names, the government. there's no sucha pureblood anymore. there is not. i american indian, my mother was german. why can' this? every race when they come here. america has always country and it seems like it always will be. everyone keeps everybody divided. host: kenny in north carolina, good >> i hope in listening and people areondering what is wrong in all of this.

none of trump. we always had problems. we were working on them until donald trump came into office. now or when is wondering what happened, why is everybody hating each other? is because of what donald trump in the constitution, it says we the people, in order to establish a more perfect union meaning that when this country first started out, women could not vote, a black person was threfos of a citizen there were a lot of things wrong. they drew it up so we could get along and come southern and northern states. in the process we are supposed to morning -- we are supposed to be moving towards a more perfect union. all of the states right stuff is supposed to be disappearing. we are supposed to agree on more things that come together in one untes. we did that until mr. trump came in office.

even though it was slow at least we were moving forward. if you look at the time trump came back we are moving backwards. look at abortion law. look at all of the laws tall of these laws come you have to go back to the slavery days. eyng back to the constitution when we were not a perfect union. forward we are going back and it is the fault of donaldrump and a lot of people that are helping him. c-span, you have to know that. i understand the people calling in saying -- divide people. i love c-span because you voice your opinion. i nra, the heritageby russia and they come up and spread all this garbage and you. ask them

questions, you let them talk. sometimes only three people get in. i wish you would address that. the last thing i want to say. as far as destroying hamas completely, there is no they know who hamas is? do they have it written on their e only thing they can do is kill everybody. that hamas. you need to let the people know. c-span, you need to do a better job. we have artificial intelligence and all of that. live you can go right there at your fiyou don't do that. host: we apheback. peter in texas. democrat. morning. caller: how are you doing? host: i am doing ok. caller: i've been listening to the current.

i'm a 55-ye male, black. the only thing see with a cultural problem with the is more like when your ancestors came here and they did free labor for over 400 years. behind 400 years you would never have generational wealth. as longe over 400 years behind, we will never catch up. you have a bunch of privileged white that, they just think everything is so good and it is really not. taking my call. have a great day. host: on the line for independents in oregon, alicia. caller: this is not a cultural or race problem.

cation, program called look. 2rthis will tell you everything you need to know from capitol supreme court all the way down who need to talk to, who you need to write a letter to regarding our complaints.do not come with ant come with a solution. say here is thei am sorry they have hurt you in anywayrg of any shade of color but you need to note you are not the only one that has been hur my daughter is currently beaten and raped and they sell out my grandchdren and the have killed in our fam. i think you currently know that. still i have pity fo everyone, including the terrorist that had home and used her money for your 911. was i nearly killed for trying to tell on them? am sorry i told on them and was called prigedelusional because somebody else

felt they had a higher education and i kept my mouth shut about mine because i think any colpo was but not telling you who or what i come from and never give up my life for you because that is what is all about. host: texas. republican. caller: my great grandmother's name was mimi, i love that name. cultural issues.i prefer these come out of the federal government and go back to the states for the most part. that is one thing. mli want to comment on several of the callers for some reason what they report trump the divwe know that is not true. i don't know if people have short memories.

it started way before trump. i would say the news media ifies any kind of differences we have.even c-span has become almost a jerry springer or click bait kind of program. timeslot and may be for that reason it would be better if c-span "washington journal" would ve an evening program rather than the morning program. host: difference do you think that would make? caller: i do not have a listening on my smartphone. it seems to me there is a disproportionate numberq÷ of democrats that get through. i do not know the reason for that.

is that because republicans are working? do know that on saturdays and sundays in particularre is a more even distribution on the phone lines. there are times i have marked the pencil and paper. i haveou take the calls as you receive them. phones work differently than others,mocrat an independent and should toggle through. certainly any time i call i get a busy signal and it is very rare i get through. host: coral in brooklyn, new york, line for dgood morning. caller: how are you. the cultural issues for the 2024 rything to do vote because america is a broken vessel from the beginning that was founded on slavery and so on and so forth.

the fact it has laor this long is amazing in the annals of humanity. everyone has ptsd, including white people, blacke come and everyone else. it also has to do with twhy the japanese and the -- why aren't the japanese and the chese calling in budget mark they are on the sidelines. -- why aren't the japanese and the chinese calling in? they are on the sidelines. everyone has pst -- everyone has ptsd. the have ptsdhe palestinians. black people like they are lesser and that is what they are due. the cultural issues are not only dealing with black people of african descent but dealing with black racism. cultural issues is decid media. hollywood and the racist from the beginning.

people carrying stuffer talk and things to that affect. the issue of culture is not something we can talk about -- s good you are talking about it. for white people to start calling in -- for white people to stop calling in and trying descent who were slaves as making excuses as my daughter and mywhite people were not enslaved, chinese people were not enslaved , no one was enslaved except people of african descent exclusively. host: let's talk to daniel independents in pennsylvania. caller: i just wanted to say about some of the people that were tal government, when i was in the service in the early 1970's i had to go and there was an and i had to update the reservists.

one of the on is there was a part of the war college and i had to sit in on some of them because i had to build a classroom. about was how religion and government and business should not be in bed togher and they had all kinds of examples. sometimes in different parts of the world where government and religion were together, it took a couple of years before there were uprisings. now with the government you have religion and government in bed together. that seems to be a problem. people are worshiping donaldp like he was a god. that has to go away. thank you. host: cleveland, ohio is next. s.

in history a lot of people were enslaved. all kinds of stuff like that. there is ancient history. my family did not own slaves. if you look at it now we are all divided. we are all working for a huge bureaucratic government that is sp we all came together this. they be if we worked together we would not have these problems. host:-- host: that's all the time we have for the segment. we have lots more to come and and weigh in with your opinions. up next, how america's small businesses are doing in today's economy with jeff braband. later, tavis smiley talks about his push for a national conversation around climate justice and how climate change has impacted communities of

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c-e video app and online at c-span.org. c-span, your unfiltered view of politics. washington journal continues. >> welcome back. we are joined by jeff brabant. we are talking about t state read welcome to the program. -- u.s.. guest: thank you. host: guest: our average organization has 7.5 employees. the business was started in 1943. it was started as an alternative to a lot of this associations. we have a cap on our membership. the idea is if you are a small business owner, you can pay a small sum of money and get a you access to the federal and state lel.if you are concerned your voice is b not heard, a group like nfib gets your voice heard in

washington. host: it's been four years since the pandemic, how are small business doing? guest:ve been tracking this for decades. know as both consumershas been a real problem. anything to be welcomed from small business owne one of the reasons information -- inflation has been so hard to deal with is it they have had to increase wages it's been a difficult you put out something optimism . there is a lot that goes into it. in general h optimistic are small business owners? guest: that index is a little below historical averages. things that go into that. the economy is veryloyment rate. there are issues with inflation. i think the revelatory

environment has little to do with it as well. -- a little to do with it as well. there is a low unemployment rate and their business is doing ok. there is a strict regulatory environment and that can do if the optimism. host: we have 272,000 jobs added in may. the employment -- unemployment is 4.0%. our small businesses able to fill the positions they have and how difficult has that been? hf>> that's been the biggest issue, trying to positions. it's been a huge issue. because of that, we are finding small business owners are increasing compensation to try to attract the best talent. challenge for your small business owner. you may not have those platinum benefits have. they have a more unique challenge when trying to attract employees. guest: we talk -- host: we talked about inflation what about business rates? how ishat im small business owners?

guest: they are able to get credit is making it more expensive to get credit. interest rates historically have been -- with those i interest rates, it's more expensive to get credit and isn't helping inflation very much. host: you can start to call in if you have a question or comment for jeff brabant about small businesses. we have a line for small business owners. we would love to hear from y is (202) 748-8003. you can call to texas. otherwise, republicans, (202) 748-8001. s, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) . in an interview with bloomberg white house, heather boucher was asked those working or actively looking for work. the noise that

econists are still having so much difficulty forecasting data, which is why we see these numbers frequently blow past expectations. we are also suing -- seeing the participation rates struggle to get back to where covid. when will that happen? >>ation rate, the secretary may have pointed out to you earlier, we are watching the number of women between the ages of 25 and 54 and we are seeing another month of a recd high labor force participation rate and a record high in the employment rate. there has been --t come back to where we were pre-pandemic. some of that is what's been happening to older workers. you are right. this recovery and thisandemic has made it hard for economists to rely on the tried and true models that we have had. our analysis a little more different and agile. i think for the most part, we are getting this sense of what's going on. i will say it was nice tsee

this month that we exceeded expectations so much on the pa what do you think? guest: was extremely disruptive to the labor market. the s long-term employment for certain industries and some of the government programs that employment compensation to historic highs. that made it so there was a significant lag to get people now that we are years removed from some of those policies those policies have lapsed but it will always be a struggle when you have such a disruptive event to get people decided to make significant career changes. a lot of people decided maybe i want to work remotely. maybe i don't want to do what i've been doing for the last 20 years, i want to sit reflect on it. host:%u another big issue issues for small businesses. have they recovered from that? any still lingering issues with supply chains? guest: i think we have some

lingering issues. i think it iteplace than yours ago. from what i understand, still in -- affecting inflation to a degree but not to the degree it was several years ago. host: the president of your organization wrote an opinion piece with the headline two ways congress can give small businesses relief. one of them is the trumpra tax cuts. making them permanent or to extend them. why? guest:looking at a tax increase on over 30 million small business owners. start a small business, odds are you will be a self proprietor. these are called -- you hear about the c corporate all the time. the lowest c corpora went down to 21%. the vast majority, 90% of small businesses are passive businesses. they pay the individual rate. one thing that was put in is to helpparity was the 20% deduction.

the top individual rates would still be at 37%. if you are a self proprietor you are going to be paying a 37% tax rate. congress created the 20% past production. 90% of small business owners can take advantage of it. that brings the effective rate down a lot closer. the other things that go into that when you are paying these individual rates, there is an increase at the end of 2025. the deduction goes away. we are looking at significant taxes, we estimate over 30 million small business owners. host: the other thing that is in this opinion is about regulation. what. guest: all kinds at the local,st the one we are trying to make sure congress and everyone is aware of is this new beneficial ownership reporting requirement. this one is uniquely at

small business owners. it doesn't happen very much where small businesses are exempt and small business owners are theont comply. this will require any business with 20 or fewer employees and less than $5 million in revenu to register their business. substantialol gets tricky. what does that mean? it is broadly defined. if you own a small restaurant with six employees and you have a general manager they have substantial control, you have to register them. if you have a general counsel -- host: what does it mean to register with them? guest: the financial crisis network. their job is to stop financial crimes. they are basically an intelligence agency to stop imes. by registering, you have to go to one of their websites and

file your business address, alicense, exactly, as well a few other pieces of information. you have to end of the year, you could go to jail for up to two years and get up to $10,000 in fines. this is a b of a scary thing that was done to address money laundering. th this isn't a one and done registration and y -- if any of the information you provide changes, you have 30 days to document it. you have 30 go to jail. let's say your drivers license expires, you have a lot of things on your mind. getting to the dmv. it is a lifetime commitment for small business owners. on't necessarily think it will be effective and stop money laundering. it is a huge burden on small businesses. the burden is estimated at 10 years are you getting a

traction in congress to get that repealed? guest: there are repeal bills house and senate. congressman warren davidson of the house has the bill, repealing big brother overreach acts. in the senate, senator t. it's going torepeal. whenever something gets passed and has its supporters, it will obviously be difficult to repeal it. we will make sure at a minimum that members of congress are very awa lot of small business owners out there who find this extremely burdensome and they need to let congress know if t host: let's go to one of the phones. shea, a democrat in california good money. caller: you for taking my call. i have a qic analysis when it comes to taxation. because, if i'm trying to understand this economic thesis quickly, on one hand, because of the economic employment and stimulus packages, it led to

which is tougher small business owners to combat. on the other hand, there is this issue of higher taxes and tax cuts are about to expire next year. taxes are deflationary pressure. same thing with raising interest rates. the cost of our money is higher. overall, there is a decrease in inflation prayed that doesn't just affect small business owners, that affects everyone else. you monthly inflation has been trending down as have interest rate that will be even more the case. tax cuts causing inflation, the opposite will be helping inflation subside of it. i want to ask the guest, how do we square these issues? thank you. guest: sure. 90% of small business owners will see a tax re comfortable dealing with inflation by taxing the smallest businesses america and making them significantly less competitive with large business owners, that's one way to do it. i don't think the membership at

nfib would be supportive of that. nfib members are businesses that have seven employees. this is over 90% of small businesses seeing a tax hike. let's say you own a small coffee shop on main street. your federal effective tax rate could be in excess of 40% if everytmeanwhile, the federal tax rates for st is going to be 21%. so, some people may say hey, you have to increase these taxes to help with inflation. but not everything exists in a vacuum significantly damage the small business economy and you will affect entrepreneurs. almost every entrepreneur has a cell proprietorship. if we are comfortable increasing thei taxes while keeping tax the same on the biggest businessesitors, that's one way to do what nfib -- to do it but nfib would not be supportive of

that. i think the administration says a lot of the right things. they dout out a lot of statements saying small business is very effective. but i think thed the regulatory environment in particular has been problematic for small business owners. we have seen a host of new regulations, especially those in a form of labor have been significantly more difficult for small business owners. they have been proposals in the president's budget that have proposed increased t small business owners. one of the most frustrating things coming out of the white house well, we are not going to owners because we will cap any tax increase. we can't do anybody making $400,000. you make $400,000, you will get an increase in taxes and if you're not, there will not be an increase in taxes. &sthe spa's definition is up to

500 employees. just because you mean you take home $400,000. that means you income which is taxed and goes your employees and goes to business equipment and goes to expansion for all of your business operations -- operators. that over $400,000 argument that small business owners won't see a tax, we feel it falls a little flat. host: how do you define aguest: we let fba make that decision. host: 500 seems like guest: the averagehas seven or eight but that is the s number. an easier one could be 50-50 or 25. if you have 25 employees, yo can't employ 25 people, which i think anyone would a small business with $400,000 of revenue. you need a lot morhost: let's go to

the republican line in georgia, joe, good morning. caller: i love c-span. there is a man steve moore, who ran the economy undewe named him the number one champion ofma s the country. he's on national television every day. a good friend of mine and he's doing a great job for small taxpayers and we have two members of the georgia legislature who are going after government waste. there isernment waste and we are proud of johnny and matthew for going at government waste. we lovsteve moore and we are naming him the number one champion of small business for the taxpayers in the united states. host: jeff, do we haven't worked with steve more so i can't comment too much on that but i'm glad you love smnesses and wish you the best of luck. host: beach, florida, mike republican. good morning. caller: a couple of quick

comets. the first is the how many small businesses are there in the united states compared toand how many americans are employed by small businesses compared to 2019? those are the real questions to and to gauge the health of small businesses. my second comment is filling positions, there's always this mantra about there aren't enough workers to fill positions. we need people illegally to fill all of these positions. that is a red herring. gentleman, and i be saying is the education system needs to be changed. we need to stop wasting our time with crt dei and all of the ridiculous sexualization of children, they need to be learning the fundamentals so when they get out of school they have the brains and the capacity and thinking ability fill these positions that are needed in all types of small businesses. ke to make, and i hope this heart, minimum wage should not

be based on region, the federal government, all of this ridiculousness. the be aced on the size of the business. if you have thousands of employees, you h world you should be paying a higher minimum pizzeria on the corner. does anyone not understand this? host: we got that. ff. guest: going back to the first comment about comparing 2019 to now and how the small is this economy hachanged, i don't have those statistics in front of me without my coeaking, there is a little over 32 million small business owners. most of them are self proprietors who are not employers. they employ about half of the workforce. ear-to-year. it could be over 50% depending on the year. it is a significant -- it is a huge number of businesses.

it employs about half the workforce, which is a significant number. in terms of workers, i think small about how they get them. they just want to have good workers. its industry dependent. the thing about nfib is we salary across industries. restaurants manufacturing, retail, we have every type of business you can thinwhen you get down to industry specifics, some 't need skill workers. the education component mrsatries, not as much. but for our workers, they are fairlyñrz'm

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>> washington journal continues. host: it is open forum, your chance to weigh in on anything on your mind, public policy or politics w us by party. republicans. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. some news items just to be aware of, this is in the guardian.com, benjamin netanyahu israeli war cabinet. this move has rebuffed the far right and attempted to tighten the grip on decision-making over hamas and hezbollah. that is in the guardian if you would like to from cbs news.com. after the supreme court decision in terms of the senate majority leader, announced on a sunday that he plans to bring up a vote this week on restoring a ban on

devices that greatly increased the rate of fire of semi automatic weapons, after the supreme courtfederal rule that outlawed the device days ago. e court a maga court and said they have gone off the edges of the far riwe will of course be following the senate and anything happening on c-span two. stephen wilmington, illinois, democrats line.caller: you. this goes back to your question on the earlier segment about culture wars. as an atheist, i'm in fear of the white christian nationalists and evangelicals who want to govern according to their biblical views and belief in magic, ghosts and superstition. i guess that is about it. host: all right. let' in hampton, virginia, independent. caller: good morning. i have a question for it has nothing to do with politics.

turn around and look at the capitol building. i have been a junkie for washington journal since it started. and i am looking dirtiest u.s. capitol and white house i have ever seen. it gets dirtier every day. and i was just recently in washington. ands in charge of seeing if that stuff gets cleaned up? host: you knowgo question i don't know offhand but maybe we can find that out for you. you can give and share your ideas about that. caller: ok, thank you. >> barry -- host: barry in new mexico republican. hi. caller: show and have gained some valuable i've decided to call in on the republican line invoice my co. i'm a vietnam war veteran and i'm in love with this country. i am country

and if we happen to get joe biden, who i have a lot of simply for as -- sympathy for as our president, i don't think our nation can survive. the man on his way to full-blown. the people behind you, especially joe biden i wonder what are they thinking. we are all americans and i do love them. but i am concerned for our nation. i thank you for your time. host: dennis is a democrat in columbus, georgia. caller: hey. i just heard and i have the same feelings about trump. he seems like he has dementia. i feel like there is two things

that i relate back to the bible. to go for barabbas in the bible they stood there and said barabbas, barabbas, we want barabbas because of the fact of the way he was, he was so corrupt. they had a choice between jesus and barabbas. i'm calling joe biden jesus but i am saying sometimes we pick people who are so corrupt and rally for those kinds of people. omment. i think about that one verse in the bible where they chose barabbas instead of jesus. host: daniel, a democrat in illinois. go caller: good morning. thanks for tak wanted to comment on your guest before. seems like he was really out of

touch with small businesses. had no answer really low than you know standard -- no answer really, other than you know, standardwanted to say he demonstrateshow out of touch they are with real people on the ground. that was my comment. host: do you have a small business, daniel? caller: i used to own a small business but paperwork insurance, everything got so out of hand, i couldmore money out on theit was not a good experience for me because of regulations and i companies that offered billions of dollars in taxes and they pay no taxes. they go through l of the

loopholes and they end up with all of the money. i am a man -- and the small businessman are the backbone of this country they get burned with everything. and so, you know, it is really unfair to the small business person in this country who has to deal with this every instead ofeman is like yeah you know, we push congress wrongs for -- write laws for small and my thought was if things have gotten worse in the past four or five years, why are you even here? what did he do? was with national small businesses or something? host: it's the national ñ3federation of independent businesses. caller: ok, what they've done nothing.

if things have gotten worse in there? it seems like he was so out of touch, it's like he had no answer for the people who actually called up said yeah. the gentle men from the south, i forget which state said yeah, i had to close my business down during covid because i didn't get the support i needed got to move on. i just want to make sure you know about this, nbc news reporting eight suspect terrorists arrested in new yora.nd the men came to the u.s. from thn border and their criminal background checks came back clean at the time that crossed. officials familiar with the matter and jim himes of connecticut, was talking about that on fox news sunday. >> there are lots of people who are here on an undocumented basis and are a threat and the fbi director is right about that. the fbi director is the chief --

and the chief intelligenceunderlying this is the conflict of israel and gaza which -- the other thing going on is we ha to china and russia. to some extent, it's a zero-sum game. if you are focused on china which i think is appropriate and you are focused on ukraine, inevitably, there are devoted to the counterterrorist mission. >> i want to get to all of the things of your unique position, before we leave the border, let's talk about this. a federal source tells fox these eight men were fly vetted at the border, the acting director of isis, it's common for people to be there. the inspector general report said the vetting process is not what it needs to be at the border. instead ofng to let you folks into the story, we may have questions, ink thi americans have is why were they not deported, detained and

we can talk about the overflowing detention facilities of why is the answer to release them into the united states? >> shannonnk you put your finger on it, the issue was not that theyhough that is an issue and the issue vetting process per se, the issue was that when their we did not have derogatory information on them. that is an inevitable aspect of you never have perfect information. over time, americans should be proud of the workr law enforcement and intelligence did. over time,these individuals had connections and were communicating in ways that were concerning. all of a sudden, eyes onto those individuals. system is profit and the problem is not with the vetting, it's the fact that your database is never complete, no matter how good you are. americans should take some, -- comfort in the fact that the moment they started communicating and doing suspect things, we were all over it. it doesn't mean we need to on the stuff. i should mention, shannon, between

arrest the guys immediately, whiche do, versus let's surveilled them and see who else they are talking to. do they have connections, can they point us to other people we should be loing after? i think being familiar with the case i think they made the right deci to watch, learn listen and figure out who else they were talking to and when the mome was arrests. host:be taking your calls. i wantedge caller!w the u.s. capitol. we are not sure about the u.s. capitol but we found something about the white house. here it is. if you go to white house history.org, you will find an article about - titled if you ever wondered, that gives you an idea of wh but, not quite sure who is cleaning the outside of thwe can find that out for you. gary in georgia, republican what's on your mind? caller: hello.

i want to commenth cost of doing business as a small business perso in georgia. inand promised to give state employees a raise. when he was he ordered a raise for all state employees. when the lieutenant governor and the chairman of commerceaid we don't have the money, he said raise taxes. they said was to governor, that was thand then he said i want you to meet me on monday and figure out how to pay these people off. two members came up with a plan. give the state employees free insurance. employees in georgia recovered on the job and their families were not covered. what they did, they covered the families with no deductibles. they made a deal with the an kill small business people in georgia. our rates went up three --

300% 400%, 500%, 600% in the next few years. it cost me $224,000 over that 40 year period to have insurance. r done anything to pay us back. i've talked to governor kemp and people in his officed you have $8 billion. they have had a discount but it is nothing likuld have been. host: are a, gary. let's talk to john in florida caller: i'm an immigrant, i'vel[ lived here for 50 years. i love this country. i believe in capitalisi believeand one thing has been bothering

me a lot and i observed it recently. congress invites foreign prime ministers or politicians to come and address them from other countries. that concerns me a lot. the most recentin, and i have been really disturbe it was to invite -- to come in and address congress. it's an insult to our political representatives in washington. the last time winvited a prime minister from the u.k., he got us into a war in iraq. it was a daste think with the political now maybe if congress members would like to be educated more about foreign policy, they should travel to these countries and get it firsthand on what goes on in the rest of the world. u.host: all right. in texas, on the independent line.

caller: good morning. i think people are to double caught up. one guyone guy was talking about when it comes to small business. with trump, th china , trade work that hurt the american people real bad. and obama - [inaudible] t on trade war hardlyget anything, nothing on the shelves. it wasn' was the trade war. biden he didn't solve that problem, and i did not understand that.

so you not o at parties, democrat and republican, i looked at what on. i wish people would look at the situation other than party. just like they make it where your kid have something in the future, how your kid going to have something in the future if they are eliminated. you not going to have social security, so how your kids going to have social security in the future i it is eliminated? but they still going to be paying into it. these are should be looking at. you vote for people because theirroy you. listen to the people, what they . they sayinesg the country. host: what publican in north

carolina, good mor-- republican in north carolina, good morning. thank you for taking my call. where do i really think that the previous caller that you were just talking to, who is going to ? you find yourself in a position like that, you need to see yourself where you are today list of what trump says he can do, and what biden says he is going to do and then you have got to do your homework. you cannot go on abc and see a commercial of trump and january 6 and base your vote oncrap like that together, it is just to sway you away from voting for trump. what i do, and they caller just right before me, number one with the democratic party, especially joe bidenu know what, i

got a nice car, five years old and only it i do not want to find myself having to pay $100,000government wants me to have an electric vehicle. i think you hardly got money for groc today. y time i get to the grocery store, i hear people complaining in the checkout line. my gosh, people with children, trying to feed their children. as far as s caller bg to have the money, because look at theoney that joe biden and his party have spent already this year, look how much money we have give ukraine. i mean, come on now, you are letting your titles get in your way. ?3congress is republicans versus demo. they need to clean out the closets and empty oute thingsthey

need to stop the politics. they need to stop the politics. they do not need a title, they need to come together and ask themselves, what is in the best interest of the people of the united states of america? instead of themselves. instead they end oh, i cannot agree with you because you are republican or because you are a democrat all a bunch of hogwash. do what is in the best interest for us. as far as voting for president trump, he is veryhe does not have to do this for us my but he loves this couand i think he has the right intent of what his children and his grandchildren staying in north carolina this time to martha, democrat. good morning. caller: yes, good morning god bless america. and i don't know who that lady

was, but let me tell you something, read proverbs and see what god says. trump,, tha is all he ever did , li as for congrs, w in who in god's world, would stea them to be in congress and doing what they doing? if you cannot see what they doing -- y q&a

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bookshelf pot feed tay. you can find it and all of ourts on the free c-spanwebsite c-span.org/podcts. >>continues. host: beckwith "washington journal" and joined with tavis smiley, the founder of smiley audio media come a syndicated talkshow host, and author. welcome to the program. guest: glad to be on. host: you will lead a panelimate justice and the effects of climate change on black communities. we will be covering that here on c-span 7:00 p.m. live tomorrow night. tell me what you mean by climate justice. guest: it is clear to me and i think most americans of conscien urgency of now, climate justice climate equity, and climate resilience. in these conversations we have every day, and i have been listening to your program this

morning, their ways in which structural and institutional racism are deeplyreality is that the majority of people in this country who are impacted by these climate catastrophes these climate melodies happened to be people of color and the poor -- these climate maladies, happened to be people o look at the conversations taking flint michigan and the water and moreon mississippi, and reports in california, ground zero and many ways for so many climate issues. but in this conversation about climate justice, equity, and resilience, the voices of those being impacted by this have been left out. so with all due respect to my white brothers and sisters across the country, ce l.a., this conversation has been steepedwhite environmental liberal caring community about the climate. i am glad they care, but those most impacted have been silenced in this conversation, and this

is the silent killer for many of us ultimately, what we are attempting to do, the name jamaal kni are attempting to be unapologetically have been left out of this conversation. so tomorrow night on c-span at 7:00 eastern, 6:00 central, you will see a stage full of p of color on national television talking about issues that impact us in communities of color and in poor and on an election year nothing can be more important what drew your interest in this topic? guest: great question. as you know, with humility, i have tried during my career to love and serve my people. i believe that if you would be a leader and i do not routinely regard myself as that, but youldengaged in loving people this notion of loving people and servingthat is what it means to me to be a leader. the depth of your love for the people, and what is the

quality of your service me, you should think about loving and serving people, and i havefor years and really, i moderated and curated one of the most watchedams on your network every year, the state of the black union symposium, every year in february, and people would watch all day long on c- on saturday during morning panels and aer, and there were african-american thought leaders, opinion makers, influencers during black history month talking about the issues that to black america. it went to number one on the new york times bestseller list and detailed the issues most important to black americans. there was a guy named barack obama who showed up, and he helped to lay the grounork, enthusiasm and interest in giving us the nation's first african-american president. i have always been engaged in issues that matter to our people. i said a moment ago, there are many issues on the docket, and

the 20th comes out, believe it or not but in 20 years since the ways we have made progress, and in other ways, there is still a great deal of work t assigned myself to do the work that really. right now, this conversation about climate justice, climate equity, and climate resilience we got together and my station in l.a. to talk about the issue a $2 million plus 12 month campaign aroue. the conversation tomorrow night on c-span is one of the issues on our docket to cover in this campaign. host: let's talk specifics. what does climate justice look what are the policies you are advocating for? guest: great tomorrow night, the reason why i am moderating and i'm not the expert is because i do not have the answers to all those questions. the panel we have assembled is on the stage tomorrow night to answer those questions from the policy pwhat i do everyday is what

you questions. i am good at asking questions but i'm not the expert. i am learning as everyone else is learningthis 12 month campaign that we are in the midst of. but i have people on the stage like someone known as the father of environmental justice for 60 years, writing on this issue. it is a na the environmental community, people know the name he has been at this for six decades. 85 years old now, still doing his work base down in houston, and he is on our panel tomorrow night. dan jones when jeff bezos gave $100 million to to support the work

organization working on thesewe all know sierra club, and they happen to have right now and african-american leader, and is on the stageomorrow night. it is powerful,estion tomorrow night to the experts ise, what are we talking about? it will be an amazing, empowering, and uplifting conversation. host: there last year, little more than a year ago, with this headline, advocates are saying that reparations are the answer for sea level threat in west oakland, california. where do you stand on the issue at reparations? is that something you mightstic guest: it is on night, the issue at reparations will come up tomorrow night in outhere is a challenge with the dialogue around reparations because it has many definitions for many different people. i all the time on my nationally syndicated program in l.a. reparations. i am based in california, and

the nation is watching us. ns in california politics cast a long shadow or a long sunbeam across the nation. i hope we will get this reparations issue and it will cast a long sunbeam and not a shadow across the country. after couple years, the reparations task force recommendations a month ago, and now itworking its way through legislation about but reparations actually means. the country is watching us. tomorrow night iput this reparations question to this panel and ask specifically, what is the link between this conversation at the moment about reparations and climate justice? we will get an answer to that question tomorrow night, as well smiley is a syndicated talkshow host and author. he will be joining us until the end of the program. you can call in, make a comment ask a question. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000.748-8002. you can also text us at (202)

748-8803. --748-you can also post to facebook and on our x feed. we talkedutair quality, toxins in the soil -- is there actual data around that that would show actual impact to those communities? guest: only is there data, it is incontrovertible. i think tomorrow night the country will be alarmed when they climate maladies are having on our country specifically on african americans and people of color. i said long ago that when white america gets a cold, black folk and colored folk get pneumonia. that is still th case. so tomorrow night we're going to make the case for why this issue should be taken more seriously across the board but certainly as it relates to african-american people. we're also talking about how we can potentially mitigate the impacts of climate change and

reduce these environmental health disparities and beyond. it is not ju the sunnyside, i done is irreparable, so that is why having the conversation. if i thought there was nothing we could do, c-span's and the nation's time. i think we can mitigate these impacts if we move quickly. but the data is incontrovertible about the way it is impacting(f color. i could go down south, and examples, for decadese, for decades now, people of color havebecause of their proximity to these environmental hards. in harlem, one out of every ack kids has asthma. it is not happenstance, th reason for that, it is their proximitic in california, certainly los angeles, we see the impacts on communities of color, people of color. why?

and poor people. because of the freeway system. in l.a., let's be freeways do not run through beverly hills or through beverly glen, these are wealthy areas on the city of los angeles, but the freeways run through areas ofcolor, right through neighborhoods populated by poor people. always in our cars putting all kinds of emissions into could you think is breathing that air? lor that are impacted by all the emissions we are putting in the air. in just a few weeks, part ofthis 12 month campaign is engaging in community events, not just this symposium we're doing spirited conversations in this country is having as many climate this year. you go to our website, kbl1580 and you will see pa conversations of these posts and experts on everything out of the climate umbrella. nobody is doing it like wewith various climate geniuses.

there are conversations and also community events. we know when the heat starts to rise this summer -- this we're starting to climb here in southern california,ities have already experienced exceptional heat this year already. it is in california and beyond. so we're giving away cooling instruments. the data that black people have health disparities, that we die of heatb6 stroke, all kinds of health disparities we will lay out tomorrow nht. the data is clear on who is most impacted by these issues, and that is part of the conversation tomorrow night. host: i want to ask you about the 2024 presidential election. i am sure you have seen the polls showing that president biden is losing support among black voters, especially black men. why do you think that is happening? guest:7a no question that the president's numbers are strong and black america. i saw the president last week at the white house for the juneteenth celebration. no question that his numbers are at best erosion.

yet, i will tell you that i do not believe the posters have it right. believe it is a size 25% of black men voting for i do not think that will be the reality on election day. often, democrats take black voters for is part of what you are seeing in these numbers. wrong may they be, there's something there. black voters are for granted by the democratic party and flat outed by the republican party. i am glad to see that this time arplay. black voters matter. ujoe biden says it all the time, he would not be presiden particularly black women in south carolina wgo. the rest, as they say, is history. he understands the importance of black voters. donald trump, although his agenda is antithetical to the best interest of li courting black voters. he spoke at a blac

he is appealing to black voters, as well. is a good thing that black voters are being taken seriously. this and it cannot get meaningful voting rights legislation passed -- the sen could not get meaningful voting rights past, but i am ha that black voters are not being taken for granted. ers, i quote jesse jackson, we lose too many questionctions by our absence at the polls. elections by the sibyl margin of our absence at the polls -- by the simple margin of ouabpolls. if you are leading the american empire, i have a critique if you. i want to hold you to be accountable forhen you of all americans certainly black folks. joe biden should be held accountable. donald trump should be held accountable. host: you mentioned a speech by former president trump in saturday.

i want to play a portion of those remarks. [video clip] fmr. pres.mp: millions of illegal aliens are pouring in the black community is being hurt more by the aliens, 16 million, 17 million, they are taking their 7% from where you were just three years ago with me and it is going much slower because millions and millions of people are coming into your communities. every state is a border state you have heard that, but they are coming into your community and taking yourthe african-americans. after that, the hispanic american spirit moreand they are also affecting unions, because unions are we are being inundated. host: you said you are not a fan of his comments, but what do you think he says about illegal immigrants taking the jobs of black people? guest: as is always the case with mr. trump it is an oversimplistic reaction and read of reality, number one. number two, as is always the ve to check his data, thta is wrong.

but he is onto something in this regard even a broken clock is right twice aay so in this regard mr. trump is right, there ike new york and chicago a competition for jobs. but it is not the fault of ic the fault of these undocumented workers. it is the fault of greedy business owners. they are the firsto pick the immigrants against these african-american fellow citizens -- toit these immigrants against these afri they want to pit these groups against each other. as long as these businesses can hire cheap labor, they will do that. is right, these undocumented immigrants ar hired more swiftly and quickly than african-americans. that is a problem. the citizens should have first dibs. trump is right about that, the competition is decreasing. but let's lay the blame where it belongs. at the feet of democrats alone.

they should have been for decades now and when you lack meaningful immigration reform, this is what you get. you get republican governors playing this game, this morally and that game of putting buses and sending them to places, parts unknown, they don't know where they are what they're supposed to do when they get there, just dropped off. that is politics. and to see that disrespect for humanity and the dignity of these people. on the other hand, democrats have not been as serious as they to be. you see joe biden to something notdemocrats do not agree with, closing the border. you are banning them rather than holding others accountable, as well. you cannot let folk just run across a border all day long, i get that. but if congress would do its job and pass meaningful immigrationreform we would not have these undocumented workers being pitted against african-americans and costing them their in that regard,

mr. trump makes a point, but his frame is wrong. host: we ha callers that want to talk to you. republican line in new jersey, joseph. good morning. caller: a few points? the first point i want to say before someone called up, african-americans calling president trump the being maga ndand part of the i find it insulting that you do not push back on that. i am a catholic, and the last i heard the klan did not like catholics. if it was said about an african-american president, it be canceled right away. iow if you have ever heard of staten island, have you? guest: caller: staten island had the biggest dump in world man-made and you could see it from space. and i lived there, highest tax rate in the country. we were getting carbon from

mainly communities, and i did not hear anyone call that racist. people died from cancer ofand when are you going to at americans without color? i look at you and see and articulate guy but i do not see black or white. i like the politics, but why can you be more like martin luther king? why can't you judge my character and my heart? i was born in 1968, and any african-american on the same year i was has had every freedom i have had.since 1968. i:1970's, things started to get sharpton, jackson, and yourself blew it up in the 1980's. it will be another civil war. look at non-color if i white man is wrong, a black m's it, nothing to do with color. guest: there is a lot there.if you

saw me look away, it is because i was writing it down. number to staten island and there and people contracting cancer there he is right, no argument there. my argument is that black people and poor people are the disproportionate victims of these climate catastrophes. so underline that word not suggesting you did not see what you saw, and i'm with you. that is why democrats and republicans in office have to take on issues of climate justice, climate equity, climate resilience more seriously. it is not just happening to people of color and poor people but dispi assure you this i do not-:qm know what part of staten island you grew up in, but i assure you that the wealthyland were not subjected to that. that is a fact. i am certain. that is what i mean when i say people of color and the poor. i did not say the all black, but they are disproportionately impacted by this two, in regard to the aand others

feel your subjected to, i do not believe in thaand do not engage in that. every life has worth and dignity and value. you will hear it in my politics. i am on polacek the dish i am unapologetically progressive. so personal attacks and to the d not make their case and trying to convince you that their point of third, regarding martin luther king jr., i know something about this. i have written a book about dr. king a new york times i have written about dr. king he is to my mind, my assessmeproduced. that is my assessment of dr. king, the greatest american we have ever produced. so i try to be like dr. king ever signaled a. he talked about judging people by the character of their content and not the color of their twisted that line and bester diced it to not mean -- and bastardized it

to mean something it did not mean. dr. king's was about the humanity and the dignity and being respected of his people, the american them -- the african-american people. he loved all people. but it started with his own people.he said clearly, injustice everywhere. we king's words and twist them to mean things they nodid mean. wasts and civil rights. people say they do not see co point. nowhere in king's work or his writings would you ever find king use the phrasehe did not, did not, do not believe in colorblindness. he believed in seeing people for who theyre andtheir humanity and their their color, race, religion, ethnicity, etc. we have to get his words right if we have a conversation about that. host: terry is democrat in

atlanta, georgia. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. mr. s i have several things i just want to put out and have you comment on. is these power islands that the power companies put up are the cause of cancer, cancer-causing in certain neighborhoods where they are installed. the second one cornell west running for president, bobby kennedy, president. and do you think jyou said you got in trouble with holdbathink you got in trouble -- i do think people were so fired up about him becoming president but did not want that they thought was negative about it. that we saw that your popularity waned so i would like to talk a little bit about that also. i know it is a lot. host: thanks. go a i did not get the first name. host: terry. guest: terry thank you, for your

phone call. e power plants. i do not go alongbout tha why we are on c-span tomorrow night for three full hours to talk about theses with an august panel, and we willse power plants are having on people of color, even the peoplewe will talk about that tomorrow night and the impact these power plants are having. there is a serious pushback on that. these corporations are getting greedier and greedier by the day. trump is elected, they want to enter every bit o made. we want to push back that part. we will talk about that. cornell west, i should mention he is with us tomorrow night. he is not campaigning for the use but will be there as a noted scholar, the last speaker tomorrow night here on c-span during our program at 7:00 eastern, talking about the intersection justice and juneteenth. he is not lost on me or c-span.

we areght the day before juneteenth. juneteenth eve.i want to make sure we tain the work that matters. juneteenth isot just about barbecues and parties in good music and food. no,no, nothing wrong with that. it is a day of celebration. i am all for that, but we also need meaningful conversation dr. west will be at the close of our and he will talk specifically as a scholar about the intersection of climate justice and juneteenth the following day. so you will see him tomorrow night on the program. we shall see what he had bobby kennedy and others will do. the numbers very state i state by state. what troubles me is when they called them a squirrel. you can be a joe biden supporter and not use that term, i hate that term. here is the point nobody calls

republicans spoilers when they %pbeatoc. nobody calls democrats spoilers when they beat republiso why is an independent who runs for president a spoiler? you do not own the votes. they do not belong to you. because i run and you lose or people vote for me because they like my platform over yours, that does not make me a spoiler. stop that nonsensical lani don't like it. with regard ofam not a physician and have not diagnosed joe biden. i do know is that joe biden has done an adrabli am holding him accountable done, but i would be wro comment on whether i think he has dementia. i am nln a physician and i have never seen joe biden in my doctor's office to diagnose him with anything. listen to his policies and i'm watching his work, and i will make my decisioned jeff in new york, independent line. caller: my call, and hello, mr. smiley.

i wanted to mention a is often misunderstood and that is the impact of climate change and the incident of pandemics and disproportionately on people of color. close backcovid -- this goesk covid. i would like the nexus between the number of pandemics since 1981 to 2022, unprecedented compared to the decades before that and that is because of climate change. but disparities with racial groups is al evident, and the death rate in the infection rar example, going back to which is still an ongoing pandemic 40% of cases are black americans, and they only mak12% of the population. compared to whites who are basically 61% 28% of the inciddisparity.

and a pandemic that went back 40years, as well as the most recent one covid-19, not counting mpox let's get a response. guest:ent on the part of his comments at the front of his statement. he is spot on here, there are levels of mistrust and distrust in science and public health and medicine at an right now in communities of color, in general and black america, in particular, he is onto something. we wills tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. this penalty can help us unpack this. what is mistrust and distrust in science? let me be clear, there are many of my friends on the right --

science, a lot of people who did not want to take the shot in the pandemic. i have got members omy ofamily, these are likell -- these are black folk,e the shot, some even had covid and still did not take the shot. they survived it, thankfully there there is huge mistrust in the science and micine. the cdc based out of atlaunderstand that and changed leaders. it is not just black folk. there are americans around the country, like jeff and others, who feel the same way. something has to be done. the question is science and public health do data with that reality and climate justice and the impact it on communities of color and the poor? my point this, if these communities who are being climate maladies do not trust the science in the first place, not just repubca senators and others who think it is a joke, and i do there.

i do not walk away from the tough questions, so we will talk about this, about what it means y black people doat not trust the science or medicine and what we do about that in the come. it will be a topic tomorrow night. host:publican line, tomcaller: -- seem to be pretty close minded, we went back to the ice ages and come out of them and went into industrial revolution we have gotten things going worse for our people, not just one-of-a-kind ing. we have gotten it worse for all people. everything like that been worse for years now and getting worse all the time. with the climate change, originally that has been forever, and it will be forever. we are going to go into another ice agsomeday the way i understand it. i do not think we are stopping that stuff. guest: thank you for your phone

call. on point, i am not an optimist. i am hopeful. i believe there are things we can before the damage is irreparable to turn the tide against what is happening right about now. much of this is man-made. much of what we are enduring right now s. we will unpack that tomorrow night, we human beings, we homo sapiens for what we are experiencing right now. we did it, we can undo it. if we did it, we can do better. there will be challenges from the american people, african-american people, poor people, and others on how to turn the tide of what we are up against. we need to be honest. someone who wants to throw my hands up and say nothing can be done. we have a serious conversation tomorrow night about

ected will happen, oh, well, nothing we can do about it. wrong, wrong. i am always hopeful can address this tomorrow night in a way that people can suggest ideas of what can be done to fix this before it is too late. host: gary is next in alabama democrat. : people do not seem to water. heren can't drink the water and we cannot eat the fish it's got chemicals in it. my second point, i wish when you have your panel that maybe you have their to help people and find, i'm having a problem, look of my land that was stolen

from us as a family. it is the hardest thing in the world to find out anything about our property. 165 acres stolen from us, a man that stole it and the judge had the same last name. far as the climate change, i somebody on your panel that can say anything way they shooting these rockets and stuff and out of this atmosphere, and does it affect the climate change form? host: let's get a response. guest: thank you for your call. yes, there will be aof people. nearly a dozen panelists tomorrow night. i will navigate a dialog tomorrow night witht minds, experts on these issues, so i can assure you all 12 of them will help talk about the research. you will specifically have a conversation, i promise, about land. there is a powerful documentary

out right now done by an amazing documentarian about a family in north carolina that experienced the same thing your family experienced in alabama land was stolen. two of the brothers and family wentr years . look up traul peck, and you will find the documentary. there is a part of this conversation about climate resilience. we will be talking about that tomorrow night, as well, on c-span at 7:00 p.m. host: liz in henderson, nevada, democrat. are you there? nope. in genoa city, wisconsin republican. caller: hello. i have so much do

not know if i can spit it out. you were talking about reparations, and it is such a complicated issue. we have had so many immigrants in this country t were disparaged. how will the equation go for black americans that were maybe descendants? and we have other immigrants -- hello? host: yes, we hear you. you just want to ask about reparations? caller: yeah, i do not understand how that would that due to inflation, if we spend that nd to black communities, and what would they do with those billions of dollars? guest: first of all, reparations are not just about money. there is ae labor that this country benefited from, country built on

the backs of free labor of my ancestors. so legitimate conversation can be had about reparations. how we ultimately define that is up to the legislature, the o. i have a difficulty people, respectfully, who think there is no righteous conversation to be had about this and what the country ought to do to make right by these persons and their families who have denied -- who were denied the income they rightfully should have been entitled to for the work that they of like familiesthat opportunity, that wealth, that income and struled since. we're coming out of time, but we will talk about this tomorrow night in greater depth. there is a conversation to be had on how to define thateen up in the air, but i promise you we will get into that t here on c-span at the climate justice symposium. host: tavis smiley, syndicated

talkshow host and author. thanks for joining us today. guest:go i appreciate you. host: tayshow.com. later, conversation on the transportation sector and climate, featuring academics from johns hopkins university. you can watch that today starting in half an hour at 10:30 eastern here on c-span and also on c-span now and online at c-span.org. that is it for us today. thanks for watching. and those that called in. back ain tomorrow [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, tñcuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪

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